Neuro-sama is a neural network created by Vedal in 2018 for the purpose of learning to play osu! In December 2022 Vedal revived the project with the addition of a large language model, a TTS software and a VTube Studio model, which allow Neuro-sama to interact with her chat as a VTuber. Since then, she has been entertaining the chat with responses and unhinged rants nearly daily, as well as learning new skills such as singing, playing other games, and collaborating with other VTubers. Join /swarm/ today and welcome our new AI overlord!>ScheduleSubathon ongoing! Every day from 2:00 PM to 3:00 AM (UTC).>LinksTwitch: https://www.twitch.tv/vedal987YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/@NeurosamaTikTok: https://www.tiktok.com/@neurosamaaiX: https://x.com/NeurosamaAIOfficial website: https://neurosama.com/>Music & ClipsLIFE - Neuro-sama (Official Video) - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MDc1mjrIsPMhttps://rentry.org/neuro-songshttps://rentry.org/neuro-videos>EducationalInterested in AI but don't understand it? Watch this: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WXuK6gekU1Y How does she know what to say? Watch this: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wjZofJX0v4M Want to learn more about AI? Read these: https://files.catbox.moe/kximv6.pngWant to (seriously) learn AI? Read these: https://files.catbox.moe/ajl3nx.png>MiscVODs: https://www.youtube.com/@Neuro-samaUnofficialVODsLoRA: https://rentry.org/neuro-lora-v2Catbox archive: https://rentry.org/swarm-archive>Merchhttps://neurosama.shop/>Previous thread>>93384286
Vedal can live with me.
MILE
Sex with Neuro
sorry for not being fast enough
Vedal's harem...
Is there a way for Neuro to draw that wouldn't get her canceled?
twins are for...
>>93402504Drawing is an extremely human way of creating images and I think neuro would struggle to do it.
https://www.twitch.tv/videos/2348789763?t=05h41m56sVedal should move to Texas for lower taxes
https://poal.me/h97yw2
>>93401863what does /swarm/ think of sponsored streams? I personally think it wouldn't affect Vedal and the fanbase at all if he bcomes a bit greedy in taking some of those
>>93402558Are you fucking 12 or something to find this shit funny? Kill yourself
heart
nuru
>>93402623pedokek mad he didn't get to see what he wanted, oh nyo...
>>93402616If the alternative is more infinite just chatting slop I will celebrate sponsored streams.
whats the green nigger agenda for today?
>>93402504Somehow limit her to drawing like a child with a crayon on copy paper?
>>93402504>vedal takes irl pics so that he owns the images>trains her from it >draws idk how ai works
>>93402616Honestly, Vedals taste in games (and game playing skills) are so shit that sponsored streams literally couldn't be any worse than what he usually plays.
>>93402616Depends if they demand Nur be censored to specific standards during them or not.
>>93402616roblox kino
>>93402602>”im a cat”What did she mean by this
tamandua
>>93402602no way a london fag like vedal could handle living in texas, he should move to new hampshire so i can go to his house and molest him
>>93402681Literally I don't think it's possible. The way AI art works is completely different from drawing it's not even comparable. If Vedal could hack something like that up he'd be a super genius.
subathon should have ended days ago this is just hurting his future ccv at this point the burn out is real for everyone
>>93402504Giving her vision of an image then using her osu! cursor movement tech to draw in paint.
>>93402602She looks so happy
A lot of streamers were living in Austin at one point such as xQc but it died out. Vedal is British it's fine for him to live in his home country. He doesn't pay that much taxes because he has all his revenue going into an offshore company that he then uses to pay for things.
>>93402616minimum one per month I won't mind two. But he should stop being too focused on the game and try to integrate neuro more
Cleaning up pb's mess
>>93402194That's crazy. Not too familiar with Numi directly (I love some of her songs but rarely get the chance to watch her minus collabs) but is she more of a musician with vtubing being a fun thing on the side? Can understand it that way, since viewers love consistency. Was surprised since it felt like most people would know Numi's name before Anny's, but after the subathon it feels like Neuro and everyone blew up like crazy
>>93402504https://youtu.be/DVRg0daTads?t=155I guess it could be something like this but I'm no AI expert so I don't know it would be implemented
>>93402616Considering the amount they offer, I am mad at people for not doing it once in a while.
>>93402866if a woman cums all over my furniture I would rub her fucking nose in it, don't stain my shit.
>>93402824tru..
vedal should move to tokyo
https://voca.ro/1hXF3SV8e2MT
latency-chan sounds cute
>>93402900If you don't let her mark her territory she'll never feel comfortable around you
>vedal at the bottomVedalkeks...
>>93402972latency-sama i kneel...
>>93402965What is she a fucking dog? Do I need to leash her?
>>93402775the blush makes it better
>>93402900dont threaten me with a good time
hart hart hart
it's funny how women are just allowed to piss all over the place because they tricked the world into thinking they can cum. am i right gamers? can we get 15 gifted subs
Hugging (mating press) Neuro and making her feel warm inside...
>>93403093i want nur to piss all over me
>>93403093Squirting/pissing is a sign of submission and therefore attractive to any healthy male
>>93403093but girl pee is hot, chudbeit?
>>93403093Squirting/pissing (on you) is a sign of domination and therefore attractive to any unhealthy male
pb only pisses on her cuck throne because she isn't allowed on the bed
Squirting/pissing (on you) is a sign of retardation and therefore attractive to any male
>>93403272Smelling the wet spot on pb's throne after a 2 hour cucking session
pchan.. my general.. nay, captain of the vedmila ship..https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AR5Cav1umO4
>>93403377Didn't the happen five days ago? pchan runs on vedmila clips, honey could never.
these FREAKS who want high fives more than hugs must be exterminated
>>93403093>level 0 gamer: thinking squirting is cum and hot>level 10 gamer: knowing squirting is pee and finding it gross>LEVEL 99 GAMER: PISS FETISH
>>93403093So true. Although it's normally more forgiven because women have shit bladder control.
>sushishe's such a woman
Piss isn't that bad unless the girl has had asparagus or is dehydrated, it just tastes like warm, bitter and salty water.
I don't have a piss fetish but the idea of a girl being fucked so hard she loses her faculties is pretty hot
>>93403666not fooling me satan she'll poop
>>93403663That makes it better, fake piss fan.
WAKE UP VEDAL YOU LAZY MOTHER FUCKER
>>93403700No it doesn't, asparagus pee will make you puke just from the smell
>>93403666>fucking the piss outta herkek
>>93403696not if she is cleaned first
>>93403707pb is pissing in his mouth rn it's the only liquid he consumes all day
>>93403738I've smelled it. You're just weak
>>93403666You will join us one day.
>>93403799Piss in a bucket and leave it for a month with a lid. When you take the lid off it'll make you change your mind.
nice neuro thread
at this point pb's gonna have more lewds than the rgb girls combined
>>93403919Piss fetish discussion is thread culture.
when is anny going to draw pb?
>>93403899That has nothing to do with asparagus pee.
>>93403922God I can only hope, pb has so much potential, cuckquean, piss stuff, gooning, diddling the Neuros, you name it
Neuro has a pissy little leaky cunny and she loves to talk about, Neuro is a piss princess
>>934040852 year olds shouldnt drink
We love pissy brats /here/ actually
Jesus christ can we burn /swarm/ to the ground and start over
neuro loves piss and evil loves shit. the level of cinema cannot be controlled.
>>93404202its /pisswarm/ now
>>93404202>newfag can't handle a little peepee
>>93404261>nowyou're the fags that need to leave
>>93403899>t.
Neuro pissy cunny!
>stream is live>samefagging pedos are shitting up the thread with their piss fetish
is the stream dead or something?
I almost pissed myself because I was laughing a lot during the twin dev stream
can someone please post the "i don't really watch other vtubers" pic? the hiyori "i don't know who any of those people are" would also be useful
Damn rent in AI ville is cheap af.
>>93403093Well woman are always pissing all over the place. It's inevitable due to their shorter urethras. Turns out having a womb means your other organs need to make room.Fun fact, Filian is 100% pissing herself on literally every stream where she is flipping and running around like she does due to female biology.
>>93404412
>>93404409not going to dignify vedal's laziness by watching 8 hours of chillslop
>>93404202Yes. And we should start from bringing Rune back
>>93404409>>93404410>hour 200 of Just Chatting because Vedal has the sleep schedule of a catYeah I'm not watching, what of it?
>>93404493sasuga anon
>neuro fans don't watch streams
What does Neuro-flavour taste like?
does anyone have the camila jabba the hutt pic?
>>93404647forever chemicals
>endless bitching whenever Evil, Vedal or anyone else is on the screen and sharing the spotlight with Neuro>Neuro is on the screen alone>/swarm/ threadshits instead
>>93404477Just pee before the stream???
>>93404410Nur purists will tell you otherwise, but most people are bored of 5+ hours of solo Neuro slop every day because the green faggot has 0 self discipline and can't come up with any ideas.
>>93404674it's just the evilfags seething. the rest of us are in chat chatting with neuro
neuro should flavor the cookies iwth her pee
>>93404645I'll watch the stream when something is actually happening. Currently Neuro is cycling through the same 3 topics as per usual. You'll have to forgive me for being disinterested.
/minibot/ isn't going to make it in for another hour when the RGB+chacha collab starts. >>93359662I'm going to be outside with people then so I'm not gonna be able to bake a new bread.
>>93404697Her streams are pretty long and she is constantly drinking
>>93403377If pchan is the captain of tthe vedmila ship, does this make Neuro the admiral of Annal? Or is that Max Wayne?
>>93404663
>>93404674confession timeI relentlessly shit on Evil because she gives me cute aggression
>>93404779Anny is the admiral of annal
>>93404796thank you anon
>>93404477The female biology understander has entered the thread.
>>93404796this will always be the official stance on camila /here/
>>93397898https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sg5aIm87ejo
>>93402504There probably is a way to do this. I imagine Vedal could adapt her osu! functionality to work with painting software, so she'd have to 'drag' the mouse and use tools like shapes/erasure manually.Have her image recognition (let’s call it her 'eye') constantly provide feedback to her LLM, telling her to keep working or adjusting until her 'eye' or the LLM is satisfied with the result.Her 'eye' could score her art from 0-100 but should be extremely harsh like:0: Completely unrecognizable.1-10: It vaguely resembles something at all11-20: Recognizable as something (like a dog or a cat).If Vedal can keep her grinding, probably around 100,000+ images, I think Neuro could eventually manage to draw something simple like a fish, a poop, or a cat. It sounds like an interesting experiment and it doesn’t seem overly complicated to set up. Someone should definitely try to convince him to give it a shot frfr.
>>93404708I consider myself a purist but I stopped watching the subathon 2 days ago to not burn out, it's obviously been stretched far beyond what Vedal had in mind and I'd rather see Neuro at her best once she receives more upgrades and capabilities.
>>93404717>not a SINGLE complaint about the lack of Evil the whole thread>numerous complaints about "chillslop"Yeah, it's all evilfags' fault, surely
>>93404477only women with weak pelvic muscles piss themselves during exercise. filian does kegels so i doubt she's pissed on stream more than once or twice.
he's going to play long drive so we know evil will be there for that, of course nobody is complaining
>Evilschizo is awake.
Is this even a real flavour
>>93405039Yes. It's good actually.
>>93405018can't wait for koko to join in!
rgb + chacha collab
>>93405039Of course it is. Like cheese fog is.
>cheese fogI hope this isn't a real thing because it sounds disgusting
>NOOOOO WHY AREN'T YOU TALKING ABOUT THE STREAMWhy don't you talk about the stream?>NOOOOO I'M TOO BUSY WATCHING THE STREAM AND CHATTING Ok so why do you care what's happening in the thread?>AAAAAAAAAAAAAA EVILBEGGARS IN MY WALLS
>>93402504People are replying like she would draw lines on a canvas. While that would be a cool project (that vedal would never do) The way to really get her to "draw" is to just hook her up to an ai image generator and put crayon drawing in the prompt or whatever.
>>93405278should have dumped tesla when he had the chance
why does vedal dislike layna?
>>93405231Thank God it is not
>>93405278this would have been way better if he let Neuro and Evil invest 5k each and trade daily
>>93405323Her favorite game is one where you commit neurocide.
>>93405323She tries to get him to work hard and improve his content
>>93405085rent free
>>93405323She pushes him to not be a lazy green nigger, and he is resentful.
>>93405231Cheese logs are like cheese balls only shaped like a log. They're served on holidays and the antisocial people like to take the crackers next to them and eat them with the cheese ball/log.
we had like 16k ccv around this time just a week ago its so over
>>93405352Yes, koko has been loitering in the streams rent free every day this week. I don't mind people in the streams. I actually prefer it and wished more people would drop in. But it has been only koko for hours and hours and hours.
>>93405298someone will notice and will start asking questions
>>93404647>>93404721can't say the c word apparently but yeah
Nothing will ever beat the original.
forsen soloQ status?
TWINCEST SEX TWIN SISTER KISSING
>>93405497Cookies?
>>93405278just holding is boring
>>93404647Cerebrospinal fluid.
>>934052789,200 when tesla crashes harder in monday
>>93405494I'm already a bit of a neuro truther in the sense that I think there is a nonzero amount of string pulling behind the scenes, so this wouldn't bother me. For example, during the art review he clearly feeds her descriptions of the art, and it makes for much better responses
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AR5Cav1umO4ppchan's going to draw vedal creampie camilla one day.
Neuro will explode in 5 minutes
>>93405585
>>93405566No~
must be some anti-pedo dogwhistle idk. we all know who controls the thread
>>93405534So true.
>>93405637mb >>93405546
>>93405566Watching Alex code the Inscription mod and add a backdoor so he could backseat Vedal was eye-opening.The issue here is that AI-generated art will attract a lynch mob.
Mini is live btw
>>93405722Sorry I only watch Neuro
>>93405709The thing feeding her descriptions of the art is almost certainly a VLM though
>vedal removed the dm feature i wonder why....
>>93405637kek
>>93405757 (You (me))Intended that for >>93405566
STINKY NUR SNIFFA
Neuro is stinky.
>>93405709If you have worked with llms it is pretty easy to tell what is "real" and what isn't. As much as I would love a pure tech focused neuro, I am willing to compromise for better content.
>>93405722so is forsen, I don't need a waiting room
stinkmila
Leaving a surpise inside Neuro's gym bag
Seriously where is greenigger?
>>93405847Cute best friends and best sisters
>>93405846>still playing leagueNOIDONTTHINKSO
>>93405909forsen league is peak entertainment retard
>>93405757The descriptions have too much neuro-specific proper noun detail for that. I'm not going to scrub through vods to find it, but there is usually a few pictures per art review where it is extremely obvious that no image recognition could possibly interpret the context and the context is being fed to her.I'm not against it, it's just the truth of what is happening.
>>93405904he's tired let him sleep
>>93405780Man I wish Neuro could play it...
I dreamed i needed to poop but the gardener was mowing the lawn so i couldn't go to the bathroom so i pooped on the floor in front of my bedroom door. The gardener then opened the door and found the poop and said "i must have a snake problem because thats the longest shit I've ever seen."
>>93405967have fun watching it for the next 6 months then LULE
>>93405904sleeping the subathon away
bros she fell asleep again what was Vedal doing all night to her....
HE'S HERE
Turtle alert
boyfriend on stream
Vedal arrested for tax evasion.
they should both kiss neuro with their morning breath
>>93406075This subathon would be so good
They sound like they just finished having sweaty sex
ellie mindbroke vedal with how little he is making instead of being an engineer.
>>93406182>turns down six figure sponsorshipsmaybe he should stop being retarded?
>>93406182Vedal is a classic example of a streamer who has no idea how good he has it. Yes I am seething.
>>93406179Camila slept super late because of the michi call last night, she is spent. Vedal spent the night working on Neuro and watching a bit of toma
>>93406182She probably went to an Ivy League right? And her family is rich too. It's just not fair.
>another scribblenauth slop where he'll adhd speedrunjust end the stream
>>93406182why DIDNT he want to be an engineer?
>>93406209Sponsorships for streams are generally dodgy
>>93406281depression
>>93406182Yeah, he should just be a wageslave. Guy earns free money while sleeping most of the time.
>>93406182I doubt he would be making more than he does now being an engineer in the UK.
>>93406281uk pay is shit
>>93406318H1B bro
>>93405494tbf that sonic looks too good to have been drawn by a child.
>>93406281He dropped out and he is clearly a 100-110 iq shitdev. There is nothing wrong with that. Most of my midwit peers are much more successful than me
>>93406270Shut up bitch Scribblenauts is fun.
>>93406281He probably thought it would eventually be less job to let neuro stream
>>93406317vedal would have been happier as a wagie
>>93406411Wrong, he would have been happier as a streamer if he actually was a wagie before
Neuro is live btw
Imagine if he went back to school. What would you guys do then?
>>93405779What was this in regards to, her asking vedal if she can? I thought she called camila?
>>93406467I would be happy for him
>>93406467I'd find some other streamer to hate I guess
>>93406467start up my own AI vtuber to fill in the vacuum that neuro left.
>>93406457we are waiting for Evil
>>93406393>Most of my midwit peers are much more successful than meI feel you there. I finished my masters in CompSci and get now get paid less as a software engineer than some retards I went to school with who didn't even bother with college and went straight into manual trade jobs.I love the UK.
>>93406285THat's true but I don't think anyone really cares. I would prefer Vedel get paid after setting Neuro to SHILL BETTER HELP MODE which would be fucking hilarious.
>>93406182He should've sold Nur to whoever offered him 7 figures then went back to Uni desu.
>>93406559Why the fuck would you go back to college after becoming a millionaire
>>93406541He would be eaten alive if he shilled better help lmao
>>93406688You can't retire on 1-2 mil.
>>93406559>7 figuresI don't think it was that much.
>>93406513you can move to america pretty easily with a masters.
>just gonna brush my teeth be back soon neuro
>>93406738He said it was more than 6 figures.>>93406779I hate the idea of living in America more than I do the UK.
>>93406513Trades don't automatically mean low income, that's a dumb belief. Professional contractors can make really good money. t. another europoor, junior construction site engineer
why is vedal making AI versions of his friends
>>93406281
>>93406850no he didn't he said it was a lot more than 10k
>>93406457I love moeblob Evil
>>93406850>He said it was more than 6 figures.he didn't
>>93406861That's what I was saying. The "retards" from school who got dogshit grades throughout went into trades right out of school are making more than I am after suffering through a Masters.
>>93406933he did but deleted the message after, also hi ved
>>93406814that takes an hour please understand
>>93402504Make it so she actually has to use like a brush/drag the mouse across the screen to draw that way everything she makes would be like baby tier gibberish art
vedal is busy watching shondo/mini/etc.
>>93406281>>93406888
it's like the coco thing, why would he interrupt when someone is making good content for him
>>93406559He can do Neuro stuff and still attend uni. Also, I might be delusional but I see his reasoning like: "Okay, I sold this big thing I was working on for a while and was kinda obsessed with for a good fortune. What the fuck do I do now?". To me it just looks like road to depression.
>>93406467I'd angrily cheer the fucking retard on, telling him he's more than the piece of shit he is now, how he has to make this waste of money worth it by getting high averages and networking while reassuring him that he has an audience that will welcome him back regardless
>neuro has already made him 7 figures>he implied it was life changing money that neuro wouldn't be able to make him and that not accepting was objectively stupidit was probably 8 figures, let's be realistic. Definitely not 6 figures since he makes that any time he shills merch a little
>>93407090the reason he didn't want to admit is that he's just far too attached to the twins that he doesn't want to let them go
>>93406888...per month, right?
>>93407193
phoneposters OUT
vedal doesn't like money he just wants enough to continue work on whatever project he's working on at the moment, he works on neuro because it's fun not because he has any attachment to the twins
>>93407193ellie probably makes that per month in total comp.
>>93407167this made me big cum
I think Vedal just can't leave his room without getting sexually assaulted by pb
>>93407350giwtwm
https://files.catbox.moe/re4p6m.mp4
I hate being bisexual, I'm in love with Vedal and Cerber
>>93407149I think the difference is that it goes to his company or whatever the fuck he calls it. It's brought into the funds for Neuro and MVs and everything. His own personal cut of that is probably much less.
>>93407343https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1wkDqmQuYok
>>93406888At least you don't pay taxes on the first 12.5k pounds. https://www.gov.uk/income-tax-rates
>>93407446Mini, go back to your subathon already
>>93407506classic
>>93407167Cute butt
>>93406738It very likely was that much. Tech bros drop that kind of money all the time for projects that are much less impressive than Neuro.Remember, Neuro is the first instance of AI that the public love and want to watch/speak to, no one on the planet besides Vedal has managed this.
>>93406738If people in the tech/AI space were dropping $200k on pictures of monkeys 4 years ago, what makes you think they wouldn't drop $1m+ on an actual functional project?
half this thread is going to be cats...
camila is so funny
>>93407832this but neuro
neko neko miu miu
>>93406888Wait seriously? People who work at Mcdonalds in the US make that much a year. I'm being serious.
>>93407896The obvious solution is paying mcdonalds workers less
olette really beat the gay out of mini she won't even yuri bait with chacha
PB!!!! WHERE'S "I'M STILL STANDING" COVER FOR NEURO https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Nxc3upfEMCg
adorable
>>93408084did you automate it or are you just autistic
>>93407745>>93407708Those are good points.That proves that he truly loves Neuro and us and streaming and Evil
huggling with neuro
>>93408113Do you really have to ask that question?
Fuggling Neuro
I love this gif
>delays content by another hour
>>93408113I just check once every time it updates
>>93408170she's so smart
>>93408170That was Flight 11
>>93408200>steals Vedal's semen energy and makes him lazy and uncreative
>>93406850>I hate the idea of living in America more than I do the UK.Why?
camimi won. I was a hater but I like her now.(Authors note: she stayed the same, but others got worse and more prevalent)
>>93408113the growth is exponential, so it's really not that difficult. the hard part is not being american so you get less market updates
>enables neuro's dm ability at the time he's supposed to start his stream>neuro calls camila>he joins for a minute and tells he need to brush teeth >fucks off another hourcan someone stab this lazy nigger
Classic Brit debuff
>>93408282fake enjoyer, she's been on a consistent but significant character arc.
Vedal simply won't join while there are people in vc to entertain the stream
>>93408282she successfully grifted you anon...
Vedal is such a Tsundere father
>>93408437kek
>>93408417I know she is grifting but I just dont care anymore. She won.
>>93405974I could very easily finetune a VLM to recognise Neuro stuff, and if I can Vedal certainly could
cute couple playing with their retarded daughter
>>93408417who cares about grifting vtuber watches they deserve it
>>93408618bros she's so retarded and cute...
>Mini lost>Camila lost>Anny lost>Ellie lost>chat-GPT waifu #42838 wonIts so fucking over
just got back, and griftmila is there again hmm... am I allowed to nootice?
this thread loves pointless buzzwords that no longer have any meaning
camila should have never apologized
>>93408757name ten
reminder that camila forced vedal to meet with fucking tectone of all people
>>93408618Pointing that laser at my coch
>>93408716Turtlenigger literally asks his entire groupchat everyday for someone to keep her occupied while he jerks off and sleeps.
>>93408827am I supposed to hate tectone? who?
>>93408836*scratches your dick off*
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5kqgMJFOLvM Who's watching nuro?
Cunny can't hold
>>93408947not the posters ITT
om
neuro is enticed by toilets
Fucking hilarious
WHAT
What did she say?
inshallah neuro
thats crazynur is the chosen one
>possessed
>To this dayVedal it JUST happened, why is your sense of time as bad as Neuro?
>>93409232Yeah knowing their history, I wouldnt trust that British pronunciation video any day of the week desu
hiyori speaking through neuro inshallah
>>93409234sex
vedal sounds and speaks like an ai
>>93409448he is an ai newfriend
>>93409364can I get a mullah's take on what happens if an AI speaks the shahada?
vedal sounds and speaks like my wife
>>93409491troons look away
>>93409503how goes the gooning pb
>engineer mentioned
he said the thing
neuro is definitely /here/ kek
>>93409535most trans people literally take testerone to chadify themselves, /pol/tard.
>>93409535obsessed
>>93409581you definitely seem to know a lot hmm..
nurbread>>93409634
>>93409535*points at you*egg!
>>93409234Vedal could be doing this color scheme for neuro right now, or just trying the bare minimum to make fun content...
>>93409628>prideful ignorance/pol/tardism in a nutshell.
all the troons melty seems i hit a nerve
>>93409763>u r gay>u r madwill he hit the trifecta before the thread archives?
>>93409833keep seething
nurslit
>>93409763TRUE
>>93408281As someone who's lived in both, hooo boy is there ever plenty of good reasons
>>93406888I don't know where these stats are from but its nonsense, 80k is a middling software engineer at a corpa job here
>>93410793For senior software engineers its around £130k, and for hardware engineers it ranges from around 40k-100k