How do she have over 200k more subs than Shiori? What the fuck
>>93670812I've often been confused why Bijou has so few subs but even though nobody on this board listens to that shit, Nerissa and Elizabeth fit the general Hololive trend of music channels attracting way more passive subs because it's clear youtube's algorithms are more catered to that. The reason most JP's even do music is they are hoping for the viral success only music can bring as seen with Raden or Ui.
>be a better streamer and a better person as a whole>get more subsit's really easy
>>93670812Shiori doesn't coomer bait. She's just an autistic sweet girl while nerissa knows how to play the dick teaser role.
>>93670812debut yab turned off lot of people from her
>>93671098Only porn brained moron would make a bbc joke out a microscope stream.
The actual answer is because Nerissa spammed collabs with her family members and Shiori did not and as a result, inclined a lot more.
>>93670812Music=subs It's why Mori has the second most subs in EN despite getting bad ccv
>>93671193Nerissa was also spamming youtube shorts.
nerissa is so boring. it just doesn't make sense
>>93671180>You thought of that yab >I thought of another yab>Someone else probably thought of a different yabKinda answers the question in a way
>>93671417shiori is so boring. it just makes perfect
>>93671011>better streamerdebatable, maybe if you're into basic shit>better personHAHAHAHAHAHA
>>93671417>>93671685Novelkek melty uh oh
>>93671480Doesn't help that Shiori took a vacation almost immediately after debut.
I wanna smell them both.
>>93671855"I remember he played this game"so she watches homo's streams? lmao
>>93670812Nerissa was an established popular channel in her past life. Her design is also more broadly coombait than a goth girl. Goth Girls are alt almost by definition and so appeal to a smaller audience. Nerissa also is a sort of "package deal" with her family members. She has already released an EP so she is bringing in a music audience. They both collab with others but Nerissa does it much more aggressively and with more involved things than popping in to join a multiplayer shooter. Shiori also just generally seems less concerned with growing a huge base compared to Nerissa. Nerissa also plays more "mainstream" games com[pared to Shiori's content being more esoteric. Scrap booking, microscope slides, looking at flowers. That's not gonna bring in numbers compared to BG3. (Which lo and behold, Nerissa also did a song cover of)Not saying that either way is right or wrong, they both have their strengths and weaknesses. >>93671035Shiori ABSOLUTELY Coomer baits. But she is a goofball about it, whereas Nerissa plays the thirsty ditzy girl. Incidental, Nerissa strikes me as the nervous type once actually in the sack. You just know Shiori gets freakier though.>>93671098Call the wahmbulance for this guy
>>93671685sub count speaks for itself
>>93671480all of those "yabs" are esls misunderstanding things. it's kinda incredible the damage that can happen purely due to the hololive fanbase being illiterate foreigners.
>>93670812Shiori is basically just chatgpt spewing out random shit and making that her entire personality. She also doesn't seem to care about idol reps or singing, which people /here may not care about, but the average Hololive fan does.
>>93670812Shiori fills in a niche of ppl who like nerdy girls (actual nerdy not just pretending) that's why she does shit like read fanfics which most ppl don't give a shit about. Nerissa is more normie and music focused.
Even on debut people didn't really care for Shiori. She was her own downfall.
>>93670812being openly straight is automatic debuff
Ask Flayon, he should know
2025 will be her year after shioriface escapes /vt/
Shiori is the Sana of Hololive?
>>93672327what vid is this from?
>>93672511Kiara's Q&A
>>93670812Coomer holo for a coomer audience.
>>93672511holotalk prob
>>93670812HOLO VS. HOLO LET'S FUCKING GOOOOOOOOOOOO
>>93672757>>93672914tnx
This has the smell of numbermonkeys (ennacuck) all over it.
>>93670812Wait till you see that CC is about to be the sub runt of Justice.
>>93670812>cute>hag>hot sistersYou tell me.
>>93673077Don't lie to me you asshole
>>93670812shiori is kind of wacky and a bit unhinged. if you watched their debuts you knew she was going to be the least popular of her gen. nerissa is a coomer and more or less of a normal streamer.
>>93670812shiorin is an acquired taste. nerissa is just the most basic white bitch you can imagine so many can relate
>>93673274>shiorin is an acquired tasteAn acquired taste that no one wants, which is why she's the runt.
>>93673120she's not. but both erb and raora have almost 100k more subs than cc and gigi
>>93673347>erbI can't help but think it's just because she was the first to debut, which is why she has more
>>93673120Noy lying, GG will pass her in a few months
>>93673448Well then, that makes me a little sad in all honesty. CC is a really good hire and very creative with her streams.
>>93673439That's stupid, it was only by a few hours
>>93673587I like CC a lot but just streaming is not what gets you the most subscribers. However it does get you a more loyal streamwatching fanbase and she's doing well there.
>>93670971Nerissa = music buff + numberfag
>>93673587Fauna was the runt of council, Shiori the runt of advent, cc the runt of justice. In the end it doesn't mean shit since once you reach a point, the specifics don't matter to Holo as long as you keep going. I remember just a few years ago when aki was a mid 3view.
>>93670812nerissa yuribaits more and interacts with mentally ill twitter users
>>93673778/thread
>>93673274Exactly this, nerissa appeals to normies
What happened in phase this time?
>>93673439Straight cope since it wasn't the case for advent, she just had a great debut, I feel like even if you hate Liz you can't deny this, all the top clips from justice debut are from her
>>93673778Hell if this shit mattered Sora would be considered a failure, Roboco frequently has sub 3k streams, Haachama gets basically the same numbers as Shiori, half of the early JP members would be considered failures by this metric, but in the end they're doing just fine, and so is Shiori.She's going to have the "worst" of the new outfit debuts and still made more than the average numbermonkey makes in a month in about 26 minutes.
>>93672156>subs means betterok monkey
>>93674811Yes. Or are you implying that Gura, Suisei, marine aren't top holos?
>>93670887fpbp
>>93674995It works the other way, too, making CC the objectively worst hire in holo history. Mori then completely outclasses nearly every holo, en and jp including Miko, Korone, Aqua, etc. It also means that Kobo is flat out better than Suisei. Fucking scrub gets outdone by a HoloID. Suisei should graduate.
>>93675348Mori has a record deal. Miko, Korone, Aqua don't.
Shiori is a nice girl with a sex model but her content is weird and unpleasant.
>>93672033This. Also Nerissa does subathons every time she's nearing a new 100k milestone, while Shiori just doesn't seem to care about numbers, honestly
>>93674995Streaming is a part of being a good streamer.
>>93675442Kobo has more subs than even Mori with her record deal. Where are you gonna move that goalpost next?
>>93670812Shiori constantly debuffed herself every chance she got. Any affection? Taken away. Any connection with her audience? Taken away. Any work or project she has? Taken away and given to her "friend." Any interesting games to stream? Taken away. She does things her own way and only her own way, and in the entertainment business, being quirky or unique doesn't mean you're entertaining or will capture an audience. At this rate, Shiori will be surpassed by all of Justice before the year ends.
>>93675442Mori got signed up with UMC early in her Holo career, it had nothing to do with the amount of subs she had
>>93675747no one cares about kobo or her blatantly botted subsshe has neither a record deal nor the ability to hit 5k in a stream
>>93675901This exactly.
>>93674995>Numbers objectively means betterOnly monkeys deal in absolutes monkey.
>>93674995Gura was a flash in the pan, and now just coasts on her chumcucks for easy money.
>>93670812Literally just due to her covers. Stop looking so deep into every small freaking thing
>>93670812Shiori stopped doing GFE and stopped giving kisses at the end of streams. That's why.
>>93676082>no one cares about gura, suisei or mori and their blatantly botted subsftfy
>>93676082So do subs matter or not? Answer the damn question. If they do, you should graduate suisei right now for being dogshit even lower than HoloID.
>>93676432AIIIEEE DON'T USE MY ARGUMENTS AGAINST ME THAT'S NOT FAAAAAIR
>>93676432I don't even care about shoiri, I just think it's laughable that people would think Nerissa is anything but a vapid basic bitch that appeals to the lowest common denominator.
>>93676640>t. upset novelite
>>93676768>t. lowest common denominator
>>93676846being immediately proven right is so fucking funny
>>93670812Lesbians
>>93670812You're all fucking retarded the answer is so fucking simple.200k more people subscribed to Nerissa.
>Bvtm and his cronies are here againDo you like getting humiliated or something?
>>93676969Shiori is boring but at least she isn't a basic bitch like Nerissa. Either way CCGG blow them both out of the water.
>Novelites are getting uppity over thisI thought they were good at ignoring and reporting bait?
>>93677171Basic bitch mega giga stacy Rissa isn't the runt though. That's all that needs to be said.
She had a genuinely great start, almost on pace with fuwamoco. Her first few songs got her a lot of subs, but yeah 3 months in she settled as a pretty basic streamer. Though I guess the family channel gimmick is fairly unique since most vtubers are toxic femcels who cut ties with their families.
>>93677285>Though I guess the family channel gimmick is fairly unique since most vtubers are toxic femcels who cut ties with their families.Shiori's family doesn't even know what she does because she knows they would be ashamed of her. It's better to watch a girl who has good family values and connections rather than someone who more than likely is hated by her parents, and for a good reason probably. She was doing pretty good at first, but once the GFE stopped, she stopped growing on her channel. It's why she's the runt now.
>>93677249I don't give a shit if Nerissa isn't the runt or not, the whole point of appealing to the lowest common denominator is that they're the largest crowd. Just look at fwmc and their audience of worthless man-children.
93677452Novelite still malding
>>93677452>the whole point of appealing to the lowest common denominator is that they're the largest crowdSo Gura?
>a full thread of posting on cooldownShiori really mindbroke this poor retard, huh...
>>93677577pretty much
Novelites are really bad at ignoring and reporting bait. You guys bite at anything just like Chattini's.
>>93677577>>93677452Imagine saying Gura's succuss is bad. lmao
>>93670812Its no surprise that more people want simple vapid entertainment out of their streamer. Even outside of holo all the top girls are "basic" since thats how you attract and maintain a broad audience.There is nothing wrong with enjoying more niche or high effort streamers, but any content that requires the viewer to do more than stare head empty at the screen or chat in phrases that are too complex to emote about is going to support a smaller audience.
>>93677452>"Ah yes, I'm a contrarian who only likes "REAL STREAMERS" who talk about dicks and balls and pregnancies like Shiori does on a daily basis in her streams unlike the manchildren of Fuwamoco's and coomers of Nerissa's." Have fun being cucked by Dimitri or any blonde she mentions on stream, or seeing her flirt with the voice actor on twitter instead of you, or knowing her boyfriend writes all of her stuff for her instead of seeing any effort put forward by her. She's streaming right now, but you rather be here because this is more entertaining to you than she ever will be.
>>93677844Never said it was bad, just expected of someone who appeals to the lowest base for the biggest coverage. She simply excels at it more so than Nerissa ever could.
>>93678022>knowing her boyfriend writesQDR on writer boyfriend?
>>93676215Remember when her chat was being faggots kissing dudes and scaring potential viewers away?
>>93678263That's the audience she cultivated unfortunately
>>93678146If you ever see her members video or her 3D live, it was all scripted and written by a person named Pending. Even during the recent outfit reveal stream she did, she refused to say his name despite it being front and center during the credits in efforts of not drawing any more attention to him.
>>93678022cool, have fun writing your own narrative to suit your ego. I'm stating facts that you're into basic bitch shit.
>>93678373I thought you were bullshitting me, but holy fuckhttps://www.youtube.com/live/hMCqQdVr5pA?si=PHSke4KlJ3cgJ1kL&t=3811
>>93678517>notice how the novellite is still here instead of watching his "oshi's" stream, and he still couldn't even provide any counterpoints
>>93673587NA talent will always have an upper hand since EU was left to languish for 4 years so not that many hololive fans relatively speaking
The writer is a fag btw
>>93678373>>93678555>Her boyfriend is writing all her shitAnd I thought she was the creative of the group.. novelcucks..Im so sorry
>>93678022>flirt with the voice actor on twitter>boyfriendIf she does have a boyfriend how is he okay with that, what a cuck
>>93678874It’s the same guy who’s okay with her flirting with the homos. Go figure.
>>93678874>how is he okay with that,She's making major bank now. Ofc he's gonna stay and get spoiled with vacations and expensive gifts.
>>93678692>he's still here and still upset
>>93673448I'm not entirely in the loop. How is Raora so popular?
>>93678555>2 view since 2019they were made for each other.
>>93679218She's spamming a shit ton of shorts
>>93679218>happy>retarded>big boobs>streams a lot>does shortstruly a mystery
>>93679218talented artistsex modellong streamsuncontested timeslot
>>93670812>how does a numberfag have more numbershmm.. truly a mystery. That self-proclaimed "short" stream right after fauna grad still left a bad taste in my mouth
>>93679218Koyori
>>93679218you should have seen her early schedules. that big cat streams a lot
>>93678373>>93678555>>93679236I think she knows that a lot of people are not happy about Pending being brought up a lot and she knows she can't get away with the stuff she did as a 2view (aka male collabs front and center with people like him and other 2views she talked to back then).There's also a grievance and a rrat that Shiori may be trying to nepohire Pending into Holostars just so he can stop being an unwatched 2view and actually finally get something out of being a vtuber seeing how he's been doing it for YEARS.Anyone who watched Shiori pre-Holo knows there are others around her. Most of her artists and one of the shorts editors came from her previous channel. Her 3D stuff likely had Deat (one of the people behind VSeeFace) being involved as well.I dunno, it seems to me that if Shiori had something for you in her Holo stuff, she'd get you involved. If you didn't mean shit to her, or don't have anything to bring to the table, don't expect any calls from her. She can make big bucks now, you can't.
>>93673778>I remember just a few years ago when aki was a mid 3view.and now she's just some VC collaber with a bunch of e-celebs and literal whos instead.
>>93671896>Doesn't help that Shiori took a vacation almost immediately after debut.This is the actual answer. People underestimate just how much of a debuff it is to leave for so long during the initial weeks.
>>93678692Counterpoint to what exactly? That you're a basic bitch into basic bitch shit? Seemed pretty clear cut to me honestly.
>>93679665opening with a fan mascot that viewers could relate with helps a lot as well. takos, ebi, deadbeats etc were all easy identities for viewers to assume and so are chattini. being a dumb floating eyeball is pretty shit in comparison.
>>93679831See, I would agree with her not wanting to bring up names of any old male friends, but she happily says Deat's name or even Mac's name in the same credits, but she avoids Pending specifically and only his name. It's very odd.
>>93670812oh fuck, all this time i thought those two were the same vtuber.
>>93679831>trying to make Pending a homoI think if that happens a lot of people would drop her. Nobody wants to watch a holo collab with a homo at least once a week.
>>93679831she already got him as a nepohire since he wrote that one VN with Calli for that Youtube summer VN thing
>>93679909Yep this. Also, people had a certain character type in mind when they saw Shiori's design and were disappointed when she wasn't a deep voiced "ara ara" goth mommy they expected.
>>93680255that's their fault for being a drooling retard and falling for the "mommy dommy goth girl" meme. The model was designed from her voice alone.
>>93680235 (me)forgot to provide picrelhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h7iSS25XwkI
>>93680093Because Pending's the one who is getting a lot of heat, especially over his script writing.
>>93679909To be fair that trip was organized by her parents and she couldn't get out of it. Cover could have easily put the debuts back a week or two so she could get some time before the vacation.
I can see it already. New gen of homos. One of them is blonde and Shiori retweets it hyping it up. Prechat starts to ship them before he debutes. What a waste.
>>93680436His writing is dogshit. She should get more criticism for it. Imagine anyone else making paid content and you’re not even paying for something that person made. They’d get endless shit for it.
>>93680776This. I can forgive anything else and I don't give a fuck about his relationship, but his writing is legitimately awful and cringey.
>>93680093Pending is a Vtuber, Deat and Mac are not.
>>93677438>she knows they would be ashamed of her:(
not feeling too good fellow novelites....
>>93679831I have no dog in this fight, but isn't the main issue here having another person writing your shit, not the person in question being a man?
>>93672162There is no ESL misunderstanding about making a "once you go black" joke
>>93681045We really should emphasize this more. It doesn't matter who the person writing is, but that person is not Shiori, and that's the real deal breaker.
>>93681045Plenty of people get others to write for them. The issue is that if you tend to do crappy writing and people call it out, most people would usually address the problem, instead Shiori has doubled down on Pending and has recommended him to work with other holos too.
>>93681045I’m a shigga, I don’t really want men in streams. But the problem is paying for someone else’s work when I want stuff from Shiori. If I wanted stuff from him, I’d go to his channel. If he knew how to write it would soften the blow.
fucking monkeys stop creating more /#/ threadsNOBODY GIVES A SHIT EXCEPT YOUR AUTISTIC MIND
>>93681253>>93678373This exactly. It's why she avoided saying his name in the first place because in the back of her mind, she knows he's not up to standards, but because he's her friend (or closer), she will not let him go.
Shiori took a huge break not even 2 (or is it 3) weeks after her debut.
>>93670812Good work OP, keep the monkeys busy and contained here
>>93670812She acts like a whore. Sex sells, just how it is.
>>93681416She’s dug herself too deep. She’s way too nice to say anything about it and it’s not worth the drama. Besides, even if most people don’t like his writing, they still pay so why risk ruining a friendship when there’s no need to improve?
This is what Shiori will eventually do.>"drop" Pending>oh look, a new writer for her videos!>it's really just Pending under a new nameJust watch, I can see it happening.
You retards see a bvtm thread and instead of reminding him how brown his skin is and let him die ignored you decide to engage
>>93670812Same reason why English Retarded Bitch has the most subs in JusticeFans of her PL migrated over
>>93681702Half correct>"drop" Pending>oh look, a new Holostars debut!>it's really just Pending under a new name
>>93681657Are people paying for it? Her metrics are pretty bad compared to everyone else and the scripted stuff are locked behind her highest membership tier.
>>93681924>number monkey Plenty of people are. If you look at her chat in any stream most people are novelknights. Again, people are paying for it. Mainly because they want to support their oshi. They’re too loyal to leave despite the terrible writing not even by her. I guess it’s better than her just using ChatGPT to make up members content for her.
>>93682131I'm willing to bet ChatGPT could do a better job than him. At least ChatGPT would have a better clue of what she does on streams than Pending does based on his stilted, nonsensical writing that completely breaks immersion by making Shiori not sound like herself at all.
>>93680913i know it's sad to hear, but based on what shiori has said in the past about her parents, and even having to lie to them about her job and keeping them far away from her streams, yeah...
>>93682298It might but the less AI slop the better. I’d rather get less stories written by her than consistent bad writing.
>>93670812Old School Runescape unironically also karaoke with her sisters.
>>93670812Shiori so unpopular they rather talk about Dragonball and piss in /shig/ than Shiori herself.
>>93670812
>>93670812Because Shiori is just that bad. Can't sing, isn't particularly entertaining, only plays sloppagames.
>>93673778>Fauna was the runt of councilNo she wasn't, retard.
>>93688513>FuwaMoco
>>93670812Shiori is creepy.
>>93688513>SC count in a discussion about subsanon. This is why you numberfucks need to go back. You can't fucking read letters.
>>93688706have to divide them by 2
>>93673448By the same time since debut, Shiori was already higher than GG, Justice’s growth is grim
>>93670812>how does
not my problem
Nerissa gets a lot of views and subs from her coombaiting. Personally, I think it probably some of the worst I have ever seen, but people it it up. Her yuri baiting is also some of the absolute worst of any vtuber in the entire industry. But agon people eat it up.
>>93679236oy vey
>>93670812Shiori filtered a lot of people by being extremely boring
wow novelites had a complete meltdown in this threadsad.....hating on other holos for no reason. with fans like that, hololive doesn't need antis!
