It's just ads bro. It's just investing in our girls. What do you mean youtube is demonetizing our small corpos for botting activity?
>>93675111link or you're SEA
>>93675291>>93673433>>93673832>>93674272
>>93675353>for botting activityyou're brown
>>93675506I'm sorry you can't read
>>93675111We have no proof either way, dramanig. This is the most direct reasoning we have at this time. But even considering what Brave was before, Youtube's history with demonetization not only with Vtubers but other content creators makes me disbelieve that this. If Brave was actually botting, all of their talents would've been banned and branches especially with how much issue people here took VSPO EN's debut numbers. Instead it's random and only with select Brave US talents.Out of idol, Kai, [redacted] aka Momo Lisa, and Tonya were spared. Serina, REM, Yumi, and Poma were not affected on V4Mirai's side. There isn't a rhyme or reason for this selective banning or exclusion if it was botting and the ban was manual. Brave US would've gotten all its Youtube channels blocked otherwise instead of this patchwork blanket ban with holes.
>>93676035Do you have any sort of explanation as to why it's exclusively Brave owned vtubers and not any vtubers from other corpos
>>93675111pretty sure it's money laundering. I can't imagine how else they'd have so much to throw around.
>>93676104I don't because fuck me if I know what Youtube is doing with its algorithm to detect this. But the reasoning is sound. Brave would've had VSPO talents also losing their monetization and globie also losing all of its memberships besides the one homo affected if they had implemented this across the corpo and they didn't. So it seems like a specific branch (Brave US) and a large proportion of that branch's talents, not a Brave as an entirety problem.
>>93676035Hope it's resolved soon
>>93676035the universe really doesn't want Meru Daisy to be happy
>V4MDamn that really fucking sucks for them.>IdolREST IN PISS LMAOOO
Phase is next
Susan please come back as a zombie and take Neal's place... Youtube has been worse than ever under his command...
https://x.com/V4Mirai/status/1879649960968266097https://x.com/idol_corp/status/1879649883264590154
>>93677755Allah willing
Imagine needing to appeal to Youtube through social media as a Vtubing company because that company seems to be ran by bots.https://x.com/V4Mirai/status/1879649960968266097https://x.com/idol_corp/status/1879649883264590154
>>93675291They literally just confirmed it a minute ago
not a good look desu
Glad they're finally cracking up on obvious bottingShame they're 2 years too late
>>93676035If brave was botting they were doing a shit job of it since Vspo EN wasn't even over 1000 'viewers'.
>>93678051Crazy how Hololive and Nijisanji don't need to e-beg on xitter, almost as if having a physical office and connections to youtube HQ makes you credible.
>>93674272Sex with rem
>membered day 1 to mono because she's a little chubby and pathetic and is a genuine Art Ho, actually does art>Youtube bullies herDon't go menhera again Mono.
>>93678511Both of them have ran into issues with Youtube before, an issue like this is just as likely to strike either of them as Brave due to how opaque Youtube is with how it operates.
>>93677963Go away indog.
>>93675111Praying Phase and Hololive go down with them
Do they regret that 1 botted stream with 40k viewers? It all went downhill from then
>>93679327That wasn't Brave US, that was Virtual Entertainment.
>>93677963I'm begging for Phase to get killed by YouTube next
>>93678511I'm sure I remember when Kiara's channel got banned she @ YouTube on twitter about it.
>>93681458That's Kiara though, she has impatient woman moments all the time
>>93675291fucking retard
CCV and Subs aren't real. They can vanish on a whim if YT or Twitch arbitrarily say so.go achieve stuff beyond stuff YT/Twitch can take from you. Go do concerts, big events, big cons, travel to record etc
>50k debuts subs>settle in at about 150-200 ccvtotally not bots
>>93682602also for example, it took most phase girls at least 1-year to get 50k, some of them 2 years.Brave Group most recent debuts got it in 2 weeks.
>>93677755why is everyone always after phase we literally dindu nuffin
>>93678511Both of those have official MCN status with YT so they have their own human contact.
>>93682693So it's more of a potential subscription-botting issue than a viewer-botting one
>>93682602Shorts.>butLiterally shorts. Remember how Rin Penrose got almost 1m subs? Shorts.Even Shiina from Phase abused shorts at one point and easily got to 100k subs. Uruka has been spamming shorts streams every day too and she's been on a nonstop ride up in terms of subs.
>>93683052I thought it was common knowledge that Brave uses YT ads to boost their sub count though
There is a surprising gap between Youtube subs and Twitter subs with some of them
....on the plus side, Mono can now do an Idol Honey™ ASMR stream without worrying about getting demonetizedWhat are they gonna do, demonetize her again?
>>93675111
>>93683880ban her channel
>>93675111jezas
>>93676136It's called investment. How do you think that Cover got so much money to throw around and even build a studio for 2.7 billion yen that they don't have enough competent staff for?
>>93678511kek, fuck outta hereBoth of them have been royally fucked in the past beforeParticularly in regards to ASMR.Someone in Nijisanji had their entire fucking channel nuked because of some dumb shit I forgot, made a new channel.Haachama and Choco made whole new channels to get monetization back. I think someone else too or am I imagining it?
>>93688333Mashiro? It wasn't a stupid reason he was streaming porn
>>93688510No, I believe it was gore, so much worse actually
>>93688333Choco spams erotic ASMR, her getting demonetized isn't a random circumstance
youtube is a centralized disaster
>>93690618should have botted on twitch instead, it's unpunished in there.
>>93683122Phase botted the shit out of Uruka.
>>93683122please point me in the direction of the shorts that these girls had predebut that saw them have 50k subs deposited into their accounts.also phase bots some of their girls, 2 of whom you mentioned. nobody takes them seriously despite that company trying to force them to be figures in the company. despite their nonsensical sub count, nobody cares about them outside of phase connect they have no mindshare
Yuko won, she knew this gonna to happen and decide to get a real job instead.
It really just goes to show how unsustainable being a vtuber is as a career. One day you wake up and a platform decides you can't make a living anymore or your viewers/subs are not as real as you think they are because they change how things are counted.
>>93695211I've always said vtubers should have a 0.99 minimum tier and then should try and redirect as many people as possible to ko-fi, streamlabs or patreon recurring memberships, since you don't get screwed by the google cut or anything
>>93675111Betting isn't why this happened I know of accounts that literally have 50k bot subs and they're still monetized. Youtube knows how to filter bot veiws and bot subs
>>93696657a web of botted and connected accounts would be more important to take down than a singular one
>>93692499All of the new gen did their ads in short form, which judging by how many subs they got work even better than normal ads.Shiina got blessed by the algorithm with her tiny hands short which resulted in a billion subs.Uruka literally does violin short streams every day:https://youtu.be/jflDNbZK4E8https://youtu.be/17kyjCdw0yUhttps://youtu.be/1jT5WvHhsQcStop thinking everything is bots. What Ennaschizo does is obviously botting, but all of these cases are simply luck + algo boost from shorts.
>>93699408where's the grinding for subs of Brave members? let us see
>>93675111Try to blatantly game with bots a platform run by far more advanced bots. They fucked around and found out.
>>93699408>it is ok when Phase bots streamsdenial.the fact that Shiina and Uruka are Top 4 in subs and ccv but neither are not top 5 in money should tell you everything. bots don't donate.also bots don't show up to concerts, which is why Uruka's part in the NYC concert god a lukewarm reaction people weren't into it. Imagine being the musical singer of your gen and the 3 untalented whores mog you in a concert cause people wanted to see them.
>>93699990you can always grind for subs, it's a fact, thing is most of v4mirai hasn't
>>93699501https://www.youtube.com/shorts/wfmhrSOCA_w (212k views)https://www.youtube.com/shorts/I0v9Z-5WdP0 (288k views)https://www.youtube.com/shorts/J0YKRr5rdYk (154k views)https://www.youtube.com/shorts/FG8JG9jBYMc (140k views)I'm also not sure if these were the ones used as ads for them because >seeing ads, but if they're aren't then they were most likely unlisted. These also obviously have many more views than the rest of their shorts, for one reason: algo boosting.>>93699990Anon I literally just showed to you that their top 5 subs status are entirely because of shorts. Why do you refuse to understand how powerful they are and choose to blame everything on bots instead?
>>93700182And I'm saying Phase is viewbotting and subbotting less accepted girls to try and get them accepted as main girls within the company spectrumriddle me this>July 2023>Shiina magically has 50k subs drop into her account for an inexplicable reason>it's just shorts bro it is totally legit! Phase aren't botting!>July 2024>Uruka magically has 50k subs drop into her account for an inexplicable reason>it's just shorts bro it is totally legit! Phase aren't botting!uncannyyou'd think a concert in the middle of Uruka's totally legit incline would have seen people show up for her at the concert, especially since all the subs and views come because of her music. Strange how it didn't translate. Bots don't go to con concerts.
>>93700182 (Me)>>93699990>bots don't donate.>also bots don't show up to concertsForgot to mention, but you know who else doesn't donate or show up to concerts? Kids who get sucked in by the shorts algo, subscribe and don't come back.Literally just watch any shorts stream of any vtuber ever and you'll see how vast the sea of gray is, and how every single drop of water is a retarded kid.
>>93700508>it's shortsShorts buff stopped being relevant months ago. It was a shortcut to easy CCV and subs but that is not the case now.
>>93700504>July 2023>Shiina magically has 50k subs drop into her account for an inexplicable reason>it's just shorts bro it is totally legit! Phase aren't botting!Wow, I wonder when she released her short that went viral. Could it possibly be related to that?Nah it's clearly just bots.
>>93700950>went viral>view botted and sub bottedphasekeks are not sending their best
>>93700504>July 2024>Uruka magically has 50k subs drop into her account for an inexplicable reason>it's just shorts bro it is totally legit! Phase aren't botting!Wow, I wonder when she started grinding shorts streams about playing violin. Could it possibly be related to that?Nah it's clearly just bots.>>93700694Sorry anon, but you're literally looking at proof that shorts still have a large effect, and refusing to accept it because they go against your narrative.
v4mirais recent gen has 6.7k max on twitter, rest of them sitting at 3k followers, all while having 50k+ subs on ytsame with their third gen. they bot them all to around 50k and they only ones who get past that number are people who are actually entertaining. vnu does the same thing but they typically only bot them to 30k subs. comparing botted sub counts to uruka and shiina is laughable, and i'm not even a phasekek
>>93700504Phase bots as much as any, they pick and choose which girls the bots are on at any given time to create the illusion of buff content.That is why they had to rely on Mint doing their NYC show in order to get 1000 tickets because they know it would have been a NIJI level disaster without her I'm talking 150 tickets or less.
>>93701385phase have been in the "fake it 'till you make it" grift for a while, but i think they have made it pretty far they might be the best at it. made it far enough to have multiple big 3d concerts and big industry spotlight and all that, something no other small corpo touchedbrave botting their en branch has gotten them what? they are like the kid who cheats on a test and still fails the test.
>>93678511>forgetting the one time Hololjve lost tonnes of streams in 2029 thanks to youtube fuckery
I can't help but both laugh at and cry with Lisa, Daisy, Coni etc these girls have the anti midas touch they are bad lucktheir track record of picking terrible projects to join is unmatched
>>93700504it must be humbling to be the musical girl and have the illusion of popularity, only to get little reaction in an actual real life concert compared to your tone deaf genmates who have no talentconcerts are supposed to be her time to shine, not be the talent who gets by far the worst crowd response in a concert. not that it was bad, just indifference.
the fact no other corpos are affected is so funny to me, clearly it must be some ad account attached to some of them inflating numbers on shorts ads and shorts translate to subs and theyre all dead subs that never watch streams there's different types of botting newer gens were also not culled as hard like some other corpos were when they started out
>>93702808Lisa deserves better, I agree.
>>93703224Lia has talent that's good for concerts, it's just not singing talent
>>93702663>2029time traveller-kun...say it ain't so...
How did this thread devolve into subhuman /#/niggers flinging shit about bots towards an entirely different corpo than the one affected?/#/ is the worst general on this website, much less /vt/, and every single shitskin schizophrenic in that hellhole should be range-banned. Everyone hates you, and for good reason.
It should have been phase
Brave Group black companyBotting scandal 2025Fake subs, fake viewersChuubas too weak to become eligible for monetization the legit wayYoutube purged Twitch is next
>>93675111as long as VSPO is ok they'll be fine
>>93682602They use the ads and short system retard, that shit boost your subs a lot but barely impacts your ccv
>>93703256>the fact no other corpos are affected is so funny to mesame
>>93700504anon,uruka makes on average 6 thousand dollars a month just doing violin karaoke what the fuck do you mean no one donates to her, she makes on average 6k a month there is a reason she only does violin karaoke, 1 because its her passion 2 because it makes fucking bank for a small vtuber,
>Phasecucks breakdown over being caught botting
post a brave group en vtuber who makes even half as much as uruka in the last month
>>93723668No one showed up to the Phase concert. Bots can't show up to concerts so it makes sense
>>93723799I can't believe I'm saying this but to be fair to phase I'm pretty sure a good portion of their fanbase is non-US based
>>93723799By the way, Sakana didn't pay a dime for that concert and it was all on the talent's money. What does Phase management even do?
>>93724090It's the sad girl company, management has to make sure the girls stay sad, anon
>>93724090They bot their CCV and beg the girls to not graduate
>>93678511>connection to youtube HQLOOOOOLL LMAOEVENVtubers are like 0.1% of youtube and that include the entire of HololiveYoutube can't give less than a fuck to Hololove or whatever vtuber
>>93704293If she had talent, she wouldn't be in phase
>>93724322>0.1% of youtube>but are more than half of top 100 earners across the entire platform with the top 3 earning more than the other 99% combinedYou are spewing so much shit its leaking out of every hole in your body
>>93723799okay? you can’t answer my question though. post anyone from brave US who has made half as much as uruka in the last month. unless you want to move the goalpost kek. anything to deflect from the fact in front of your face that brave buys all of their talents 50k subs off the bat, which is why they’re all getting demonetized for fraud because all of their 50k+ subscribers they spent thousands on barely get 200 viewers fucking kekand you wanna talk about phasekeks. im not even a phase watcher but holy fuck being a small corpo coper is the lowest of the low KEK all it takes is a few thousands of dollars from a japanese businessmans pocket for you to think a company is worth a fuck. KEKyour v4 oshi will never get past 50k (subtract 50k from her sub count to get her real sub count) and if she did, congrats, should would still be a sub 100CCV ethot in any other company. fucking kekenjoy your sub 2k viewer 3d lives. i will kek until the cows come home when brave US shuts down because they make 0 money. literally throwing all of brave JP money at brave US just praying anybody will give them a return on their investment. 4 gens in and they are almost certainly AT LEAST 6 digits in the negative, still. kek. imagine thinking brave US contends with even the likes of niji…i would bet brave US doesn’t even break 10k a month after their split. they would be lucky to make $5k a month, doubt they even make that though.they’ll keep using brave JP money to funnel brave US into not looking like a complete and utter failure to appease japanese businessmen though KEK. where’s your answer though? uruka is irrelevant according to you, and has botted subs. surely it should be easy enough to show us all a single brave US talent who makes HALF as much as someone who supposedly got all of her subs from bots? go on, share with the class! or will you bring up another irrelevant talking point to attempt to change the subject from brave pumpIng all of their 2 views to 50k? kek
>>93724650Uh oh Phasecuck melty
>>93724650I'm not going to read this but also lmao
>>93724697I have not watched a single phase stream it’s just funny to see small corpotards think their flop companies aren’t paying their talents way. 3k followers on twitter, 50k on YouTube. Fucking kek
>>93724798>Thinks Phase isn't a small corpoKEK
>>93701066>bots totally swarm around one specific short just so that they can sub too>source: trust me broretard
>>93702808Wisu....Also Mio, frankly
Still waiting to find out which Brave US talent makes half as much as Uruka, since she makes over $6k a month on supers alone despite her getting all of her subs botted. If Brave isn’t bottibg, surely a single talent makes AT LEAST half as much as someone who’s subs are all botted..right?
>>93705543>devolve into>implying that literally anything on this god-forsaken board is ever even slightly better than that
>>93724980https://www.patreon.com/AliasAnonoNo google cut
>>93724883Who makes half as much as Uruka from Brave US?
>>93725004We are talking about YouTube supers though, are we not? It’s being used against Phase girls as evidence for their subs being botted. How much does Anono make on supers per month? Not that it’s even a fair comparison because it’s an ASMR whore
>>93725105She's demonetised
>>93725028>Phase members get over 1k CCV >Don't even break a hundred in donos per stream lol
>>93725186Any conscientous donator will be donating via labs/elements anyway since a superchat is just throwing away 30% of your money
>>93725214Strong cope
>>93725186Which brave US breaks 300+ viewers per stream and makes over $100 per stream? Imagine thinking Japanese businessman cock is worth sucking this hard KEK. Every brave US girl would be better off literally anywhere else. Enjoy your 2view
>>93725255Might not matter when you're one of the people throwing two dollars around, but whenever I donate upwards of 10 dollars I do it not through youtube, when I donate 500 yt would take more than 100 of it
>thread about brave>seething about phase out of nowhere
There is just no salvaging a man who thinks their infallible oshi who had Mr Hiroyuki buy her $5k worth of subs isn’t the most perfect girl in the world(She’s sitting at 54k which means her actual real sub count is 4k because they buy everyone 50k subs on debut, and can’t even get 100 likes on voice tweets kek)
>>93725323Well one company is getting banned en masse for fraud, and it isn’t phase
>>93725345Phase is next
>>93676509That has to be a Yakuza operation.
phase made brave bot their talents phase is behind oct 7th phase started the ukraine war
>>93725186not true this is jelly's playboard
>>93725255A lot of phases biggest whales donate through stream elements
>>93729076I remember some anon oiler giving her over $2000 in early December.
>>93699990>Uruka's part in the NYC concert got a lukewarm reactionBecause it was Mint's concert in all but name.
>>93729411fish knows his girls dont have pull in the idol fag fan circles so he paired them with a idol girl because despite the fans not caring a lot of the phase girls like idol shit, he will probably get another big idol talent for the next concert too
>>93729232Of course we do my oshi gets 30% less if I donate on youtube
>>93675111>It's just investing in our girls.Focus on making your talent watchable then. Look at Globie, they have a few gens and yet only two girls get attention out of all of them.
>>93729590Fishman still gets his cut either way.
>>93729802Bonnie my beloved..
>>93729921yeah thats called being in a corpo
>>93729995And Kiri too.
>>93730098And what does the corpo do?
>>93730254jelly specifically benefitted greatly by joining phase from a monetary standpoint, the point of joining a corpo is access to a bigger audience and more chances to make money
Why does every thread turn into a Phase thread?
>>93729921A sad but unavoidable reality, google's cut is not unavoidable
>>93730634Why do they pay you 10 cents an hour to shill phase?
>>93730675wait you can get paid to shill phase?
>>93730596So the company does nothing
>>93730634some guy had a schizo meltdown about phase botting their shit idk, that corpo pisses a lot people off
>>93730675You could actually probably pay some guys from South or South East Asia like $10 a day to just shill on this forum
>>93730634It's babby's first deflection tactics.
>>93675291check your brain
>>93730700Yup. The company has no management and pays for nothing. It's basically Sakana's strip club
>>93677755>V&U is nextftfy
>>93733822Maeve being the biggest one.
>>93723799>No one showed up to the Phase concertWe literally have videos from that concert proving that it was at least at 80% capacity.
>>93734400They made no profit out of it, retard
>>93729802>two girls get attention out of all of themThey were mid-size indies in their PL and thus have existing viewer bases and connection.There's also a 3rd, homegrown girl, who's consistently gotten more ccv (barely break 3view) than the rest (consistently mid 2view), but she's graduating at the end of the month.The ccv the 2 ex-indies brought with them also doesn't overlap with the rest. Proof: whenever the homegrown girl collab with other not-ex-indies girls, their ccv always consistently drop to mid-to-high 2view.Rrat is, their Niji-accelerationism style of pumping out new gens crippled their growth and they are running out of steam plus the market is slowing down so Brave's not going to shovel more ponzi money into them and so they're fucked.
BUTWHAT ABOUTPHASE CONNEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEECT
>Phase out of FUCKING NOWHERE
>>93729921Deer sex.
>>93730634Antis are obsessed.>phase is botting!>they don't, here's proof that shorts boosted them>SHUT UP THEY'RE BOTTING
>>93690409'Spammed' asmr, not since summer 2024. Her asmr usually involve her making bj sounds which is the main appeal of it but gaytube don't like that and I assume Choco doesn't want to tone down her asmr like Haachama and Okayu did so we've gotten nothing from her since.
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>blatantly botted their chubbas>on youtubeSkill issue. Everyone knows Twitch is the king of botted followers and viewfarms
>>93744501How old is that picture being trotted out? Twitch tells you straight up on their FAQ now that you can mute the stream and be counted as a viewhttps://help.twitch.tv/s/article/understanding-viewer-count-vs-users-in-chat?language=en_US#:~:text=Does%20a%20muted%20stream%20count,as%20live%20video%20is%20playing.
>>93735136Globie is such a retarded piece of shit corpo that it makes me feel bad even for its homos. At least they debuted eu talents in eu hours and not at 4 am like fucking Justice.
>>93750632>trademark page 10 SEA bump
>>93675111oh damn kek
>>93751162That's bumpschizo, he bumps every single catalog thread because he's trying to get a new thread for hlgg
>>93762396>>93759689we meet again?
