Ive noticed a sizeable contingent of people here are preoccupied with just out and out Holo anti shitposting. Trying to drum up yabs from the most trifling of things to try and take Cover down, how they keep begging for graduations or suspensions or whatever day after day; it's always boggled the mind.Why the hell do people even anti Cover and Hololive? Their practices are not objectionable unlike their peers and competitors, they put out entertaining shit, they've a track record for learning from mistakes, and they've never done anything at the level of wactor or anycolor; so is it just people coveting their top dog position? Cause the most I see people express as to why they anti cover/holo is either because of dumb tribalism (I like competing corp therefore I hate holo, or my tribe indies therefore corpo tribe hate) or shit that doesn't even logically follow like "I hate cover because a minority of their fans on an online sumer palmreading forum are annoying" or "5-6 talents chose to voluntarily leave across 7 years therefore the corp is the devil"
>they've a track record for learning from mistakeslol
>>93696341answer the question, do you swallow dicks the same way you swallow boots?
The sooner Cover dies, the sooner the vtubing industry can start healing.
>>93696617answer my question firstyou only hate Holo for inane tribalist reasons am I not correct?
>>93696341>a sizeable contingent of peopleHow do you know that? There's no IP count nor poster's ID. It could be just one person shitting the entire board.
>>93697023This could be true, no way for me to know for sure though.If that is the case, I guess the question is still the same but with more magnitude; cause that would be legit insane behavior
Japanese people hate Cover and holotalents. Any time there is drama coming out of Hololive, is trends all over the Japanese internet and pretty much everyone mocks the black company and their soulless corporate drones.
>>93697987Anycolor you meanfaggot
>>93696341https://warosu.org/vt/image/df85dsC5xWEvckVHuZijlwWhy do you keep remaking this thread over and over?
>>93696817I don't hate holo, my oshi is a holo, I just want to kill everyone in management for stifling her creativity and cancelling her projects, some of which were already done and paid for
>>93698275artwork of pekora getting fucked on christmas eve got 100k likesartwork of miko being fat got 40k likesnijis don't get that much hate
>>93698622>pekobecause they are horny>mikobecause they are fetishists
>>93696341>Their practices are not objectionableI find it objectionable that they have full control over their talents' activities and content.
>>93699873Indies will never get the views hololive gets because nobody want to watch western women just do or say whatever the fuck they want. The hololive business model is the only reason they this huge and still growing. Indies will never fill 40k person venues or get 400k ccv. Deal with it.
>>93699873they have a contractual relationshipbasically the same as any other company with their employees
>>93696341>they put out entertaining shitI'm not an anti, but I've gradually shifted away from Hololive because this seems less and less true. I feel like they've reached critical mass with all their corpo rules and it's stifling the girls.
>>93700134Hololive is only big because they got in early.If they launched this year doing the same shit, nobody would care.>>93700184No other company in any other creative industry has the control that vtuber companies do.
>>93701358>No other company in any other creative industry has the control that vtuber companies do.Nobody tell this guy about korean record companies. Or worse Hollywood, If they blacklist you for your political beliefs it's over.
>>93701358Holo weren't even first moversdot Live did idol vtubers first and Niji did streamer vtubers before everyone elseif anything we should thank Sio's fat ass for imploding her corp's growth with her menhera drama
>>93701223You're about to be called a sister
>>93696341It's just retards who think that if Hololive falls, their viewers will move onto someone else or some other organizations.Realistically, though, if Hololive falls, the VTubing market (at least EN market) will go down with them. Similar thing already happened many times in other fields. That's why you don't see actual big VTubers wishing for Cover or Hololive to collapse, including those who predated Hololive / Cover.
>>93701746And that won't be wrong. Anyone who is against Hololive is spiritually a sister even if they never watched Niji a single second in their lives
>>93701602>KoreaMaybe I should specify, in places that actually matter>blacklistIs not the same thing as what I'm talking about, at all.>>93701659Did I say they were first?
>>93696617>All you think about is cock, sister. Enough about experience. Boots licker or kicked by boots. Call it.
>>93696341I don't anti "cover", I anti bloated paper pusher layer and wish them a painful death. Fucking subhumans.
>>93696341https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=73C-pjnwL28If the current brand-risk averse Hololive with all its restrictions isn't for Coco, then it isn't for me. Bring back the Hololive from 2019.
>>93696341envy. now get new material
>>93696817I hate Holo for the same reason I hate Niji. Both are incestuous as fuck and share the same shitbag methodologies of the Japanese idol industry. I'm just glad you boot sucking unicorns are finally coming to realize the rot is in your own home.
>>93696341>Why the hell do people even anti Cover and Hololive? their fans
>>93700134how come you "people" always talk about numbers and never actual substance
>>93702415>Did I say they were first?NTA but that's the point, according to your logic then the first mover should be even bigger, next time just say "they just got lucky etc etc" if you want to cope so you don't embarrass yourself showing your stupid logic, dumbass.
>>93704849You probably don't even watch kson considering she struggles to make 1000 ccv when not coombaiting and maybe has 2 people speaking English in her chat these days.Kson "fans" on this board are just a bunch of larping clipwatchers.
>>93708644Correct. I'm not a fan of Kson's content. I was a fan of Coco when she was here. I still do like Hololive, but the Hololive I liked was the one without layers of bureaucratic nonsense and an obscene focus on paywall concerts.
>>93709466NTA but that Hololive literally still exists from what I perceive. I don't get how you can think so if you watch streams, collabs, and events.If anything I'm enjoying having both forms of content
>>93709687https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0HIBDGni1-o&t=81sHalf of the stuff shown here wouldn't be allowed in the Hololive we have today.
>>93709687Can't *
>>93709772Patently false I'm afraid.You'd know if you watched streams instead of clips but le ebic yabai lewd talk and raunchy shit has never left Holo, especially jp.Even marijuana was recently brought up by Kanade just last month (though it was a hypothetical context) The only thing you Holo has changed fags have a ghost of a point with is perms autism but that's on Capcom for literally almost killing Holo outright
>>93696341Holo fans are the biggest antis on this board
>>93710247Holofans barely even interact with the rest of the scene Their issue is indifference, they don't care about anyone not Holo.But then nonholofags perceive this as an affront and non stop shitpost about Holos which gets holofags to retaliate
>>93710573/#/ is a holo thread and the biggest den of antis on this board.
>>93710742Numbers only anti niji and it's because of history. (The general was started by nijifags back in luxiems heyday)
>>93711168/#/ has been around way longer than Luxiem
>>93711168That thread rarely ever talks about Niji anymore because they’re totally irrelevant. They mostly screech about phase, Ironmouse, and just recently added Nimi to their shitlist.
>>93699113>japanese people (of all people) being fat fetishistsGood god the copium on this one
>>93696422Elaborate.
>>93708377You have a point, but I think it's delusional to think independent content creators aren't subject to equally sinister corruption. I really find it hard to believe you've never been scorned by influencer culture. This has been an awful industry since it's inception -- the myth of the moral indie content creator has been dead for a very long time. Of course there are many independent creators with integrity, but precious few are successful.For me, Hololive is probably bad and I'm waiting for it to go the way of the MCNs of yore, but the other shoe hasn't dropped after all these years and that at least counts for something. Still, it's too hard to forget how the sausage is made.https://youtu.be/JqamKb7gTWY?si=EQu7ETU-3L_lGTa5&t=1787
>>93711427The shitposting about IM and phase are the result of successful false flag shitposts by Holo antis within that thread itself. Most notoriously ennaschizo who has used IM for over two years. If you go there you'll readily notice that the bulk of their actual hate goes towards Holo stars and beggars
>>93710573What absolute horseshit.>make catalog thread about a vshojoFlooded with antis>make catalog thread about a NijiFlooded with antis>make catalog thread about phaseFlooded with antis>make catalog thread about indiesFlooded with antis>make catalog thread about HoloSuspicious absent of shitpostingIt’s clear as day where 99% of the antis on this board come from.
>>93713069How can you be so blind to your bias that you disregard the constant flow of holoanti threads on the catalog at any given time?Holo gets the most antithreads out of any single group.Name any other group that gets ten different graduation begging shitpost threads the moment a roommate makes an innocuous tweet
>>93713327Nobody has gotten more anti threads than Fauna after she left Hololive. Another obvious hint of who the antis are. The only people incentivized to anti her after leaving Hololive are holofans.
>>93714028Oh so you're seriously going to forget the constant antithreads about Ina during october or the massive number of holoanti threads about Gura when she *looks at notes* changed a bio?Holy disingenuity.There's even an actual Holoanti general, look at this op pic and try and prevaricate some more
>>93701223Really? I thought last year was one of my favorites in terms of memorable moments on stream and creative endeavors, at least for the EN side of Hololive.
>>93715578How is this an anti thread? It's literally just a general for former Holos?Were you dropped on your head as a baby or just born retarded?
>>93715888>look at this op pic and try and prevaricate some moreguess you chose to prevaricate
>>93715928this nigga from the 1800s
>>93716047i think earlier, dont remember
>>93716160no draculas
>>93711575the only copium is yours sister
>>93710086You're delusional if you don't think that there has been a dramatic shift of priorities within Hololive from streaming to live concerts.
>>93711575Have you ever browsed a single hentai site?
>>93719525That doesn't mean they like fat people for the sake of them being fat, they like it because they like it when something beautiful is corrupted by something ugly.
>>93719575What are you babbling about, retard? They fap to fat bitches. It's not that deep.
>>93719483There are still too many streams for me to watch, I don't know what to tell you. Either way I don't want to say your pov doesn't matter, but the ratio of streams and lives is perfect for me who has other obligations. Plus the lives and the performances and the idol stuff in general is literally the appeal for me in the first place, I wouldn't watch vtubers instead of just regular ass twitch streamer dudes of all I wanted was some dude playing a game and talking over it when I'd rather just experience it myself.
>>93719720Yes it fucking is. Why do you think there's so much ugly bastard NTR?
>>93696341But enough about Nijisanji
>>93719771I very much preferred the more "experimental" variety streams like Asacoco, Haachama cooking, or Pekora's mad science mincraft shenanigans (yes I know she still does these but a lot more infrequently). Korone playing old ass retro games was a highlight for me, but now we can't even get that anymore because of perms. Hell, even Suisei has near completely abandoned streaming in favor of concerts. The only streams we get nowadays are FOTM games, zatsudans, and the occasional unarchived karaoke. CC and GG are the closest to any of the Holos doing actual innovating and even then its all pretty tame in comparison to Coco's old content.
>>93696341there's also no reason to give money eitherunless you're a stars fan ig
>>93713327What is this victim mentality? The board thrives off any Niji drama. When there's no drama, they just make one up
>>93715578Holobronies are really offended over an ex Holo general?
>>93696341based holoGOD
>>93719575Disgusting fetish
>>93696341If you're gonna keep being a shill then I'm gonna keep saying Mumei is genuinely autistic.
>>93696798How so?
>>93696341xD
>>93731556Idolfaggotry has been a plague in the EN scene for a while now
>>93719483There's also been a focus on not doing anything to scare off investors. Their streams feel like they're rated PG
>>93733317I hate how cover has been doubling down on this idol shit.
>>93733317>EN>Vtubing industryHAHAHAHA
>>93733617example?
>>93716342She's literally the only reason why I'm still flowing.
>>93734035Fuwamoco
>>93734095example of something "to scare off investors" / not be " PG"
>>93734899Not being pg might scare investors.
>>93696422fpbp
>>93696422It isn’t wrong
