>merch on debut I don’t think it was about management disagreements anymore
>>93831451lmaooooooooooooo grifting whore
>>93831451>she was signing merch while still in Holoshe only ever cared about the money lmao
>>93831451
>>93831451basedsqueeze these mfs
>>93831451It’s always about money
yeah this grifting is just a little bit TOO hard
>>93831802whenever I fap to this I always zoom in to crop out the green thing.
>>93831451>NotMagni also worked on her lore video. Look forward to the homo Collab Nimrods!!
>>93831451Based, the labourers should see the direct fruits of their labour, not the shareholders
>>93831451I'm not watching but Holos always have merch on debut, is it super expensive or something?
>>93831451anons didn't listen to kronii
>>93831451Wanting more cut is still within “disagreement” scope.
>>93832547Holos do because the corpo does it.Indies virtually never have debut merch.
how much this plush gonna cost
>>93831451That sticker art looks like crap
>>93832602That implies people have to watch Kronii's boring streams
>>93831451Does the fact that it's directly based on her chibi model mean she's going to be using the chibi model longer than expected, or is her full model just going to be an unchibi version of the chibi model with all the same design traits?
>>93832547I know Advent and Justice did but did Myth or Council have merch on debut?
>>93831451>never-had-a-job OP discovers that people plan ahead to move to their new job while still finishing up their old one
>>93831451looking forward to buying it, then if she homo collabs burn it
>>93831451Rrat kings, I apologise for ever doubting you and the endless posts I made defending her honor
>>93831451>"I want to play lots of retro games"It was jap perms autism for one.
>>93833135One i have a job and two indie don’t break out the merch until a month or two
>>93833685do you also have mental condition and can't imagine or tolerate someone breaking a rule you yourself invented in your head
>>93831706>she only ever cared about the money lmaoYeah, when I go to my job I'm there because I love digging ditches and flipping burgers, am I right fellow corpo bootlicker?Motherfucker, do you expect entertainers would entertain you for nothing but thumbs up?
>>93831451>I want more cut>noYes, it is called management disagreements
>>93833941>I will be hyperaggressive because you dared question my grifter lol
>>93834135keep licking nimi's boots sweetie, don't forget to donate
>>93832223If Karl Marx and Adam Smith were both alive today, they would both only watch indie chuubas.
>>93831451she had to release that fast considering all those homos collabs
>>93834313You got it!
>>93831451Doki did the same thing
>>93831451Blue woman i'm so sorry
>>93831451Yeah this bitch is a lazy and ungrateful whore. I’m glad I didn’t drop a tear for her.
>>93831802>MAGGED
>>93834135>comparing a regular job to an internet entertainment onesapkeks lol
>>93831451>It already sold outKEK TOTAL HOLOLIVE DEATH
>>93831451but it was, she wanted more merch but cover tried to limit her
>>93831451shes had months to prep merch, are you retarded
>>938341711), I wasn't being hyper aggressive. You also seem to have difficulty with interpreting the emotions of others.2), I have never given a single cent to any vtuber. I don't care about what they do moneywise, I just watch for their game content.
>>93831451Stop noticing things. Cover was holding her back.
>>93831451The level of prep is insane, she must've planned this for a super long time. I'm starting to think she wanted to do this while staying as fauna like how some holo rm does stuff on the side and cover said this is a little too far.
>>93831451>merch on debutwhat's the problem with that? do vtubers have to wait to sell merch?
>>93834601You... do realize that this is the normal and expected thing, right?Hololive want sot be a group idol agency. The entire point of a group idol agency to train idols and build up their fanbases as a group, so they can eventually strike out on their own as their own independent entertainer. That's the enitre goddamn reason why leaving a group is called a "graduation", they're graduating from the group-based training and moving on to the next stage of their work life.
>>93834870Considering Ame went part-time, I think she must've heard about it and tried her luck with the same idea. Ame probably got it cause cover sunk so much into upcoming merch/ideas, Fauna got told to kick rocks and did so.
This was posted before her debut so confirmed /here/ or leaker...
>>93834870see >>93833135
>>93832547No other ex-corpo has opened memberships and had merch ready to drop on day 1. Even Holos don't open memberships on day 1.
>>93831451It was probably disagreements with management about her merchandise cuts.
>>93832547>Put up some fucking stickers or some shit, the little cucks will buy itNotFauna rn
>>93831451Easy money. Keep them coming Naplings.
>>93831706>she only ever cared about the moneyIt's a job kid. I don't go to work for any other reason.
>>93835106holy cope"graduation" wasn't invented by holo and is not only used by holo lmao
>>93835398>Even Holos don't open memberships on day 1.No shit sherlock, that's intentional BECAUSE they're a corpo. do you not understand the concept of a employment probation period
>INSTANT male collab, talked to fagni and orcfag for merch help and the former even made her lore video>emotes, chibi model, merch, memberships etc. all readyHoly grift
>>93835821I never said it was?
>>93831706it's a job, not a religion anon.
>>93831451The disagreement was that they said she couldn't compete in the same market while working for Hololive.
>>93835888>wtf she's prepared and not incompetentI'm not member and didn't buy her shit btw. You kids will understand when your parents finally kick you out.
>>93832223I KNEEL
The disagreement was her manager saying "You are nothing without Hololive"
>>93835398>>93835826Imagine if Aloe had day 1 memberships
This explains why no one was sad she was leaving. They knew it was just about money.
>>93831451She's such a pathetic grifter. Glad people are finally opening their eyes.
>>93836142Why would I ever want to support someone who's willing to plan and leave me behind? That's some cuck shit brother.
>>93835826That's not the reason why.
I got a plushie!I'm going to scalp it!
>>93835087It just seems weird to sell a plushie of a model that no one even saw 2 hours ago
I'm really curious about what some of you think the word "grifter" means.
>>93836920why do you think, then?
>>93836725
>>93836932Nope.
>>93831451makes a lot more sense, dispute was probably she wanted more money and management said no. rrats of her needing to go to japan/hating being an idol are proven false
>>93837558What's the point of just making shit up like this?
>>93836931>Scalping merch that's already confirmed to be getting a second runGuess you were too retarded and unskilled to scalp the Round 1 merch?
>>93831451Why is getting your bag seen as a bad thing? Making bank is a big factor in joining a corpo and it's a major factor when you leave and go indie. All of this is about money and capitalizing on it because they all realize they have the easiest job in the world and want to maintain it. And I don't know how you can suck Cover's dick and simultaneously call her out for being a sellout. That's some next level cognitive dissonance
>>93831706>>93834577it's a job nigga. the only entity being cut out is the cover corporationI've seen what you retards will pay money for, her fans still seem to be getting what they want
>>93831451Always assume it is money.
>Sells like 100ish plush's (I was 105 in line apparently and didn't get shit)Evil money women
>>93837754Oh, no, I scalped the hell out of the R1 stuff. I've made around $550 from those plushies alone. I'll get an easy $100 of nimi's shitty plushie too.
this guy is samefagging so hard trying to make it seem normal by saying>it's a job
>>93832223Then whoever is making the merch in the factory should get a bigger cut.
>>93838035>NOOOOOO, not like THAT
>>93837977it is normalit is a job
>>93831451It was about management. They booted Magni and she followed him dutifully.
>>93837767>The zoomer mind can't comprehend a world in which people create content for enjoyment rather than pure profit margins. The internet has died, the normies have won.
>>93837977this >>93837862 is my first and only post in the thread. I have watched less than 60 minutes of fauna in my lifeif you (collectively) buy out all the hololive slop instantly, you can't pretend to be shocked and appalled when someone with a carried-over hololive audience makes slop for you to buy
>>93831451>Hey fauna you wanna come with us to new york for breaking dimensions?>Fauna: uuuu no I gotta take care of snail.>Also Fauna: So how much do I get if I sell merch on my own?>Hey fauna you wanna join hologta? Everyone's gonna be there.>Fauna: uuuu no I don't want to wake up so early and I don't want to speak to japaniggers.>Also Fauna: So if I order 500 will it be ready for January?
She's a gambling addict. She owes $500k to the mob.
>>93837558I think this is correctShe knew her value but retarded management are from /#/
The nijiseethe is delicious.
>>93831451If you genuinely think they all graduate because "management disagreements" you are just retarded. Corpos are, and always will be, just a stats boost to make bank once you return indie.
She was only ever in it for the money. Sad. Many early gen japanese holos became vtubers when it was actually a risk and there was no money in it simply because they wanted to do it. They had to work part time or even full time jobs on top of streaming. Some were really good at it, and it blew up allowing English speaking whores bandwagoning into it, joining Cover, doing nothing, leaving and immediately shilling merch.Sad and pathetic.
>>93839044no, not always. some plan on staying corpo forever.the thing that schizos don't understand is that both are fine.
>>93835806>>93835984*Now* its a job, but a month ago she was treated like Jesus for quitting, and I find it hard to believe she didn't expect it after what happened to Doki.People still calling hololive a cult after getting tricked with cult tactics LMAO
>>93838514Not mutually exclusive
>>93831451Council also had merch on debut
>>93839797uh, no, anon, hololive is also a job
people absolutely fucking seething that this woman left holo and probably just made like 50k on her debut day.
>>93831451>did not choose the affiliate route because it would mean splitting the moneyThis all makes sense now
>>93838035Tell the feds to decriminalize labour unions, raise the minimum wage or provide basic universal income
>>93835600They did buy it so clearly she was right
>>93831451>Merch right away for a vtuber who is barely even a few weeks old>Sold out instantlyVtubing is a fucking cucked hobby when you got this shit happening rampantly
>>93832223>has others do the merch while basically NEETing on friends moneyliterally Marx, commietard
>>93831451This case looks familiar; seems like someone else also did something sneaky, preparing merch and their own company while still being in a company before
>>93838035go further, stream platforms and payment processors deserve a bigger cut
>>93840890>fuck the establishment!>save my, governmentkun!
>>93831451> literally a possible management disagreement It's funny how NEETs who have never worked always expose themselves on this board with retarded comments like this.
>>93836931SIXTY DOLLARS FOR A PLUSHIE????
>>93831706No shit retard. Americans have the exclusive privilege to leave a high paying for an even higher paying job
>>93831451>didn't affiliate because she didn't want to revshare a single centstrong penny pinching divorced woman vibes
>>93841166>when Doki did it, it's because the company she worked for was fucking her over>when Nimi did it, it's because ACTUALLY THE COMPANY SHE WORKED FOR DID NOTHING WRONG AND IS INCAPABLE OF WRONGDOING SHE'S JUST A GRIFTER YOU GUYS SERIOUSLY DO NOT REDEEM THE NIMI SAARS
>>93841166Cover's biggest mistake: forcing nimi to travel to JAPAN
>>93832742...Why?If you know people will buy it, why not prepare?
>>93842736I still cannot believe how pathetic she is for sperging out over free Japan trips.
>>93842978no you DONT understand, I can't eat my vegan food in japan and MY CAT is gonna DIE if i LEAVE for THREE WEEKS
>>93831451Aqua did exactly this too. Debuted, opened as many revenue sources as humanly possible, went back to 1 stream per 2 weeks.It's almost as if there's a pattern here.
KEK
>>93842978less quality time with her bf
>>93837922There weren't numbers in the queue. Just how many minutes before you got to the purchase page.
>>93842503this bot needs an update, its still trying to convince people that Fauna is a victim
>>93832223>Labour
>>93843065youre just jealous of the cat, no one cares about you that much
>>93833685>indie don’t break out the merch until a month or twois this written somewhere in stone?
>>93844651UH UH UH THERE ARE RULES DONT YOU KNOW?? UH BECAUSE... BECAUSE!!!
>>93836932i agree with this.
>>93842503>>93844884retard
>>93842503this bot needs an update, its still trying to convince people that Selen is a victim
>>93839432>She was only ever in it for the moneyThe same one that didn't have SCs on after her graduation announcement? The same girl that never begged for subs or money unlike every other holoEN? The same girl that didn't have graduation merch? Fucking retard.
>>93845761Yes the one who quit but already had merch prepared. The greedy whore.
>>93831451She's milking me but not in the right way
>>93843462>SAAR DO NOT REDEEM THE NIMI! SHE HAS BEEN UNPERSONED! DO NOT REDEEM!
>>93845578>>93845894do you have a problem with hololive doing debut merch, y/n
>>93843230Greedy fuck
>>93846019>can't stay on topic because he can't defend itPathetic
Memberships and merch for her first goddamn stream, this mask off moment is amazing, Fauna is such a grifter she makes FWMC look naive and generous.
>>93846237what am I failing to defendI think debut merch is just as reasonable for an independent vtuber as it is for a corporate one. both are moneygrabs that the fans seem to like
>>93836931Great job falling for the plush scam. They're everywhere now because they cost NOTHING to ship due to their weight. $60 plus $8 for what will cost them $2 to ship. What a fucking moron lmao
>>93846493Is it reasonable when the vtuber doesn't even have a model?
>>93846576Anon, there were maybe 200? 300? total sold. kek.
>>93831451If you're going to keep hating on Fauna then I'm going to keep saying Mumei has real autism.
>>93846622why would that make it more or less reasonable? it's not like making the stickers arguably prettier will change the consumerist-fan-dynamicyou can pay hololive money to buy fucking mp3s of them talking right now, no model involved
>>93847121Holos without models do not exist.
>>93831451yeah Management wasn't milking Fauna hard enough.She went indie, she oughta show them how it's done
>>93834171Grifting is when you earn money. I guess FWMC and Gura really are the biggest grifters in the vtuber business.
>>93847259you can play dumb and pretend to misunderstand me, it won't make you right
>>93845894How the fuck is it greedy when she didn't have SCs on after her graduation announcement, didn't have graduation merch, never begged for subs or money unlike every other holoEN. It's a new start but she's the same person, that's the reason for the merch.>>93846237He's not OP(me)
>>93847758I'm pretty sure there are a ton of people in Hololive who make more money than FWZG.
>>93848720She is greedy because she didn't want her paypiggies dropping SCs on graduation and instead pay her overpriced merch as an indie so she can get more $
>>93831451>it was about the moneywho could have guessed???
https://x.com/niminightmare/status/1880439924434104373Shameless
>>93831451i think the disagreements are just the mirror opposite of what the rrats are about. she WANTS to do 3D and idol stuff, but management didn't think she was good enough.
>>93843230They are going restock!
>>93843230honestly, absolutely based. fuck saplings, they deserve for you to take their money.
>>93831451>same quality as holo plushies>gets a bigger cut>increase the price anywayThe greed is off the charts!
>>93850390>2x the sizeOops, sorry, I shouldn't have mentioned that since it destroys your narrative. My bad anon.
>>93843230This is the saddest and most pathetic “hobby” in the universe.
>>93837977Just because your opinion doesn't match doesn't mean its just 1 guy samefagging. To the majority of people a job is just that and streamers are no exception.
remember when one of the theories of her departure was because shilling was "against her values"?that sure aged poorly huh?
>>93848720>she didn't have SCs on after her graduation announcement, didn't have graduation merchSo that people would be more likely to spend it on her indie return, which nets her a bigger cut
>>93831706You think she cared about your brown ass? lmao
>>93831451could someone sincerely explain why they have a problem with this? not baiting or anything, actually don't get itI would understand if people were just cynical and against exploitative cashgrabs, but based on the lines of argument most people itt seem to be hololive fans who would be happy participants (or at minimum silent about it) if the exact same behavior was laundered through a company
>>93854558>>93852275
>>93831451The disagreement with management is about increasing her merch cut. If she said something like that during her graduation, fans would attack her instead of cover. That's why she decide it would be better to say something vague to save face.
>>93835106you are retarded
Dooby must be feeling really stupid rn for wasting the opportunity of using the redebut hype to make some bank
>>93854955I didn't theorize about that, and I don't think it's reasonable to call someone hypocritical based on their fans' hypothesesdo you mind just directly answering my question?
>>93832223laborers can buy shares too
>>93852275turbo-leftists think it's wrong to shill for a corpo but OK to start a gofundme for funding your penis removal surgery
>>93855534What's the correlation here
>>93855729many western women are turbo-leftistsit's fine to suck lonely men's wallets dry but not if some of the profit goes to an evil corporation
>>93834577If you think that makes any difference then you're the delusional one. They may enjoy streaming but they're here to make money.If you honestly think they'd still stream if they suddenly became billionaires then you're out of your mind lolJust enjoy it like anything else and stop being a petty bitch
>>93849993doing idol stuff is what they want most out of their talents - the events and merch from them objectively make several times more than streaming SCs does these days. there's no way in all circles of hell they were like "you want to come do lives and events? well too bad you can't, you're on your own sucker." she can say whatever the fuck she wants, that doesn't mean it's true. seeing such an abrupt turn of how she is from holo to now = you really should not believe a word out of her mouth period. most vtubers are not trustworthy people, this is why you unironically maybe SHOULD oshi the company if you trust they are the ones making the content you actually-want happen. nijiEN failed because people lost trust in anycolor because of their firing doki and fucking over pomu's 3D etc, but because of what the talents themselves were doing even though they have some of the most abrasive cunts in the entire scene such as enna. enna was a shitter for long time and yet was doing good, it was specifically doki that broke everything.
>>93834489Is Mumei part of Magni's group?
>>93854558I think they're upset because this is the first ex-corpo return that the chuuba was actually prepared for, so I guess they're worried that it'll happen again or something after watching a bunch of chuubas haphazardly leaving without a plan and then struggling for it.
>>93831451>"hololive talents make WAAAAAY more money than indies">"she left because she's a greedy whore"Make it make sense, retards.
>>93855914This is a weird hill to die on Anon. There's plenty of people who create content for the joy of it, to imply that all creative endevors are the result of seeking profits kinda flies in the face of, well, human nature. You don't even need to extrapolate that hard, how many indies stream to the void? How many fanfictions are out there? Just because she may seek profits doesn't mean you need to excuse the behavior. It's just who she is. This isn't even derogatory, which I know may come off as hard to believe. She is well within her right to do this, and just like that other anon you yelled at is well within his right to complain. Her behavioral quirk is fine with you and not fine with him, let him vent his feelings and just ignore him.
>>93833055No, they did not.
>>93833028they'll be similar and she probably thought the chibi will move merch well and I doubt she'll permanently retire the chibi one when the full one is ready ya know.
>>93857554Council had debut merch
>>93832223He won.
>>93857792fauna literally lifted the entire hololive playbook for her reincarnationif anything, it was surprising how close to hololive her debut was
>>93831706Money and miles, mark
>>93857228It's whichever one lets them feel like they won the argument at that exact moment
>>93831451what is this shit ass design, i expected better considering that doob and co have pretty nice models
>>93858707It’s only her chibi, her real model is still being worked on.
>>93857228>>93858596The same argument could be said asked as to why billionaires are still so greedy when they already have so much
>the merch helped pay for my debut>I'm sorry the merch sold out so fast, thank you to everyone who bought one, and like I said earlier, that really helped me fund my debut stream, so thank youit seems like it was basically seed money for her to buy a nice model, and her fans seem to like it. they bought it all in like five minutesdoesn't really seem like an issue to me
>>93831451It cant be anymore less obvious lmao
>>93857228The ceiling is higher for Holos, Fauna was never going to be anybody in a competitive environment. She needed to cash in on graduations before they became commonplace to ever profit off her years selling out.
>>93835206>This was posted before her debut so confirmed /here/ or leaker...anons managed to datamine her first few emotes from the youtube api yesterday. Someone drew that based off of them
>>93832547you generally want to build up some good will firstcorpos do it because they are pushing their brand power backing ita day 0 indie doing it? doki in 2024 could get away with it because she existed prior but nimi is entirely new, only reusing a channel
She did benefit greatly from the name, but Fauna was never going to take advantage of the media manpower available in a corpo, so it makes sense that over time, she doesn't want to give them a cut
>>93864155why would the brand power of a company be stronger than the personal draw of an entertainer someone spent hundreds of hours watching
>>93833028It means she has more merch ready based on her real model to shill.
>>93834622Yes, months to prepare merch while still in Hololive streaming as if nothing was going on. That shows she was ready to cash out well in advance.
>>93864422because when Cover unleashes a new gen they expect they will perform to a certain standard for their fans for a continued period of timeas talent you don't get your big paydays until well after you signed up and passed the auditionsif you're a grifter you're not accountable to anyone and you can just leave after taking everyone's money. corpos in good countries can't do that without reprisal.
kike
>>93845761She didn't have SC's on nor graduation merch because she wanted that money for Nimi merch where she gets the full cut and not 50% taken.
>>93854558Its both an etiquette and respect thing. You can be prepared with merch and stuff, but still hold off for a few weeks before dropping it. Doing it right from day one feels like you want to maximize profit from the biggest audience. The debut stream should be about getting to know your new persona, not milking former fans.
>>93857228Here is how it easily makes sense. Hololive talents DO make more then 99.9% of indies. However an Ex-Holo can debut and sustain an audience where they can match their Holo money with the 50% Cover cut removed.
>>93865048sure, and sometimes someone like sana from that gen can still leave in under a year, "betraying the fans and deprecating the merch" or whatever. I'm not talking about a corpo being able to give you a minimum bar like a health & safety department, I mean really enjoying a product hundreds of times is a very good predictor that you might continue to love it with new branding, even if there's a 3% chance the box is emptyspeaking of which, if you could bet money out of your own pocket that fauna/nimi bolts with the money, enough of your own money that you would be really set back if you lost, what would the odds have to be for you to take it?
>>93860902yep, and dokibird did nearly the same thing before she got her current (very expensive) model.pretty sure the holobrowns are just desperate for something to complain about after her debut went really well
>>93865935see >>93865690 and >>93865288if you cant see how its in bad taste to go>C'MERE PAYPIGGIESon day 0 then i don't knowlet me put it this way, as fauna's skinwalker she is uniquely privileged in a way almost no other indie is and she is exploiting that. sakuna didn't do that.
>>93831802fug
>>93860902>>93866532>seedmoneywow i didnt realize she was on starvation wages under cover, black corpo????how come ame didnt need this?
>>93865288...wouldn't most fans rather have merch of the new persona anyway? considering that the old one is literally graduating
>>93865690>>93866629but the point of comparison is hololive, that's what I don't get. if you disavow hololive, sure, but people don't, they're hololive fansfrom looking up the last couple hololive gens, it seems like there's about a 35-45 minute debut stream, and the next stream, the next day, there's merch availablewhy is this more respectful and ethical? I don't get how one is in poor taste and the other isn't, they're both extant streamers debuting new models and characters and so on
>>93867083the real answer is that you're arguing with holofags and they're desperate for things to complain about because they don't want any more of them to leave have successful indie careers. they have a vested interest in nimi being a "failure", see how nijinigs still act when it comes to the topic of doki/mint/matara/etc
The Ame comparisons are retarded. I hate both of them but geaduation merch is 10 times greedier.
>>93866629or alternatively:what privilege is fauna/nimi exploiting? why is cover corporation not also exploiting that when they release merchandise (debut or otherwise) to fans?
>>93867755>it's greedier when the IP holder of the reason they became popular in the first place gets their cutat least with ame it was a mutual agreement with affiliate statusmeanwhile notFauna wants the whole pie plus seconds>oh and pay for my model!
>>93855842>give money to corpos instead of giving it to meAre you actually retarded?
>>93867922>the IP holder of the reason they became popular in the first placeoh I almost wrote about this, but didn't want to assumeif a company's business model is to find, train, and showcase talent, how long are you obligated to give them a cut? why is four years not enough time for both parties to have mutually benefited enough, how long are you financially indebted to them?in e.g. music, plenty of unknown discovered artists sign to fixed deals for x number of records, and then change labels or whatever
>>93867922>it's greedier when the IP holder of the reason they became popular in the first place gets their cutYes? It's always the girls thar matter.
>>93867916Nimi is exploiting the fact she was Fauna by profiting day 0 off the association.Not any random indie can do that and other ex-Holos don't. Random indies cannot sell merch in their first stream, you would be called a grifter. You even admit yourself Holos wait until the next day. In fact other ex-Holos redebut with a model ready. Nimi is uniquely greedy.
>>93868149Because it's the established culture of graduation SCs and merch, but Nimi wanted it to go all to her to pay for her own model because she can't be assed to take it out of her own pocket as if she was underpaid by Cover (no ex-Holo has said this). This greed is uniquely her behavior.But hey Nimi wants to break off from eatablished culture so Napkeks are fine with Magni and everything else.
>>93865690>new personaexcept it's not now and she was pretty clear about it. >>93866629You sound like you're mad because she already got a lot of money for whatever reason.
>>93868206>>93868423>uniquelyIs this thread just one seething? That's hilarious kek
>>93831451You retards get mad over everything
>>93867755Ame is greedier in fact because she took the affiliate option of still being able to profit from ame merch despite no longer providing ame content
>>93868206I have a really really hard time believing the people going "wow, this is the greediest thing I've ever seen in my life, just unthinkable and unforgivable" would be completely fine with the same clearly pre-planned pre-manufactured merch if it came out tomorrow before her next stream the way hololive does itthat does not really pass the smell test>>93868423I understand that it's cultural or whatever, but as a mechanism I don't really get why the employee walking out the door is the greedy one for not extracting as much money out of fans on the way out the door for a corporationespecially when there's not a 1:1 link to them getting the money instead and it's "established culture" instead of contractual
>>93831802fixed
>>93868423Complaining that magni drew her debut art is like complaining Ludokano made music for biboo, or Kanaru did music videos
>>93831451yeah definitely related to moneyprobably have 2 children to feed imo
>>93837767Because she left her "friends" behind.
>>93869010>professional artists vs garbage sexpesting ex Holostar that quit because some girls were meanie to him sexpesting themwaaa waaa waaai hope Gura, Mumei, Biboou or Fuwamoco will never talk with this traitorous cunt ever again
>>93866832except the Fauna model was better
>>93869153>waaa waaa waaaGrow up
>>93869232shut up cuck
>>93869010Magni is uniquely shitty.Per threads he even managed to earn the rue of actual homo enjoyers. So considering his past, and considering their mutual connection to Cover it's poor taste.>Hey I'm so over Cover, I'll go work with the guy they didn't want to work with anymore.And he's still a homo.
>>93869247Grow up and stop crying. Learn to post while you do that.
>>93858458It's extremely well done, honestly. It's a proven strategy.
>>93867648As a Holofag I agree with this. I have a vested interest in seeing Ex-Holos not be successful as it will lead to more girls leaving. However the collapse of Hololive doesn't mean fans flocking to indie streamers. It means the vtubing niche slowly dying out. The success of vtubing was born out of anime fans, not Twitch fans. If Hololive dies, I would just go back to watching more anime and I think many other Hololive fans would do the same eventually.
>>93866629>>93868206>>93868423>>93869264>uniquely Stop it! It's time for you to sleep.
>>93869344Whatever you say, man with zero self respect
>>93869264Holy ESL
>>93869381Or at least to hit the dictionary and thesaurus.
>>93869391kek you're one to talk, I'm not even OP
>>93869364She's not streaming on Twitch
>Aqua>Amelia>FaunaThey did not quit due to disagreement with the management.Because what they are doing is basically the same as what Hololive is doing.
>>93869381>>93869423it's literally one continued conversation
>>93869496I know that you're the same faggot. It doesn't change what either of us said.
>>93869404Somehow I don't think that anon is the ESL.
>>93869547>that anon
>>93869541You can't even use the term right.I accept your concession, by the way.Since you've clearly run out of arguments.
>>93866718Reminder that fauna has almost never invested anything back into her activities.Meanwhile ame has built her 3d studio and bought a house (?), yet she has no need to do this.
>>93857294If you are in your 30s you need to kill yourself right now
>>93869452Not yet, but she may. However that is not the point. The point is many of the anti-corpo posters here and elsewhere likely come from the Twitch sphere and want streaming done their way. However, if you went from anime viewer to Vtuber viewer, you're probably totally fine with corpo culture and expect a different type of content more aligned with what Hololive does.
>>93832223>merch created in sweatshopsuhhhh
>>93869599>You can't even use the term right.Samefag also works, but I said that to emphasize.>I accept your concession, by the way. Since you've clearly run out of arguments.I wasn't even arguing with you nigga.
>>93869364Agree. Many may deny it.But I would like Hololive talents to focus on music activities and concerts, not streaming, and I believe that streaming is only to financially support those activities.So if Ex-Holos is not interested in musical activities and only wants to do streaming, there is no reason for me to support them after graduation.
What's the deal here? Are 2views just seething that a corp2indie was able to just debut with merch and membership, or is this a case of poors seething at based capitalism?If she did this 5 days later what would change? You were gonna call her a whore anyway right?
>>93869492I don't know about thatif you work at one steel manufacturing plant and you leave for another doing the same work, with the same kinds of break rooms and shifts, you could still have stuff at that first job that you fuckin hated. all someone could reasonably say is that those visible things weren't what you had a problem with>>93869599not that guy or the one talking about your vocabulary but you stopped responding to my arguments, not vice versa >>93868948
>>93869771you might be actually retarded
>>93837767>Why is getting your bag seen as a bad thing?>getting your bagYou zoomers are going to destroy the world.
>>93869794Since Fauna's graduation announcement there has been a dedicated team working around the clock to shitpost about her in the catalog non-stop.
>>93869825Ironic post, man that won't stop seething using the same word for hours.
>>93831706>All these people saying its just a jobOk. So you admit she 100% faked being friends with anybody in hololive. They were nothing more than work colleagues. Fuck enjoying your job or your friends am I rite wage bros? Grindset never sleeps gotta get that bag, even though you were already getting plenty beforehand.
>>93869642thats not true she bought an expensive mic and then stopped doing ASMRsthis is just who she is
>>93869364>The success of vtubing was born out of anime fans, not Twitch fansReminder that this is a containment board born out of necessity to get ironic weebs out of /a/ and /jp/.
>>93869878that's not even me btwso you really are retarded
You guys really enjoy pissing and shitting yourselves over nothing, don't you?
>>93869993Then pray tell why you were pretending to be him.
>>93870037This is /vt/, what do you expect?
>>93869905>outing yourself as someone who never had a jobkek. People have friends at work, that's most jobs. >Fuck enjoying your jobShe enjoyed doing her job for 4 years and she left because she doesn't anymore. Why are mad about that? lmao
>>93869905What fucking world do you live in? They were work colleagues and friends, and she created a small merch run for her debut (that sold out immediately because the demand was there). She's allowed to make money you fucking retard.I'd much rather she sold merch than shilled products or affiliate links (which she will inevitably do because that's simply what it means to make a living as a content creator unfortunately). Merch, at the very least, is an extension of the show we turn up for -- a sponsor actively inserts themselves into the show and affects the show's content and values.
>>93831451I am not a corpo simp.But she did remind me why american zoomers are so obsessed with Tiktok and not Twitch.The western streamers are too much mammonism.
>>93870037>GUYS YOU HAVE TO HATE FAUNA AND NIMI>PLEASE CHECK OUT MY INDIE/PHASE/NIJI OSHI PLEASEAll their resentment has managed to do is generate more hype for Nimi.
>>93870180nobody tell him about people joining the army for the gi bill, he's gonna have an aneurysm
>>93831451She's smart.She will never get this CCV again, so she used this opportunity to sell $100 merch to former holofags.
>>93870436she made all the other holos who defended cover look justified............
>>93870481literally how? how does that conclusion logically follow at all from the post you're replying to?
Some anons in here getting really close to figuring out that vtubing is a business and vtubers are aspiring (or actual) entertainment professionals. I believe in all of you!
>>93869935don’t worry she’s going to use it now to milk more from her fan.
>>93837176https://support.google.com/youtube/answer/72851
>>93870436>$100 merchcmon now>>93870536it's kinda all just bait or mental illnessI thought dissenting hololive fans might have legit hangups or reasonings but it seems like no one does
>>93869905Seething NEETfag detected. She literally still plays league off stream with the other girls. She quit because she doesn't like having to deal with her "boss".
>>93835398they would if they couldliterally the only reason they don't have memberships frame 1 is that youtube enforced some time before activating monetization for new accountsnimi had already done that step years and years ago
>>93870542it was better when it was poor people actually trying to have fun
>>93841233is your brain so poisoned by american rhetoric you cannot imagine separating government and corporate?
>>93870180Why did she say she had problems with management? Implying Cover is a black company like Nijisanji.Couldn't she be brave and say: "I don't like the deal"?
>>93870672but she completely rebranded so she didn't earn it as nimiyou can argue she didn't earn it as fauna either since she wouldn't be as big without the dorito
>>93839044My stance is if going indie truly is the best move for you then more power to you, but you should know you betrayed your bosses, senpais that were nice to you, genmates that rely on you, fans, and the girls in the crowd there to cheer you on because you're their inspiration.
>>93870783I mean no shit, but that isn't Nimi's fault. Blame the techbros who turned the internet into a marketplace in the 90s
>>93870849>she didn't earn it as nimiI don't think youtube support gives a fraction of a fuck what anime character a person is pretending to be
Let's predict what Nimi might say based on Kson and Sakuna, Dooby's does1.I just wanted to relax and mellow activities. (But I am looking for sponsorships.)2.I had a perfect finish to my previous job and a new start. (But I still have sign-writing obligations for graduation merchandise.)3.I liked Hololive but left due to a disagreement with the management. (But don't worry I will continue with Hololive methods.)4.I played with an old friend, whose name I can't reveal. (If you're wondering who that is, check out Hololive talent roommate account.)5.I make six figures a month starting a business with Hololive roommates.(I love Twitch!)
>>93870818>he’s never had a problem with his bosses before that made him quitGet a job loser
>>93870817neoliberal americans can't be convinced, don't bother. hopefully someday they'll get exterminated and we can move on from this shit
>>93870908>>93870542
>>93870908do you get the difference between doing something annoying when you decide to do them vs when someone else tells you tono graduation merch"don't like my manager but like my job" is extremely common and normalothers I don't even know what you have a problem with
>>93870853>betrayedlol lmao
>>93831451What I hated the most about this is she didn't hide any of her intent, even went "it might get sold out soon so get your credit cards out and be ready to type it in!"
>>93870817Do you believe decoupling the two would happen in your lifetime?
>>93871112Are you joking? Timestamp?
>>93869492My oshi just wants to play modded Skyrim
>>93831451Don't be dumb. It was EXACTLY, 100% about management disagreements. Fauna wanted more money, management was too slow, the cut was too high, so she quit and took it all.
>>93871212yupshe wants to prove she doesn't need the dorito anymore
Calm down, Holofags. This business is better than other ex-holos.Sakuna started business under a similar name, using the same artists, and they're receiving sponsorships, taking over from Aqua.Sakuna runs a 10K yen/month forum on Fanbox and Dooby runs a $100/month forum on DiscordI think Nimi's $100 merch is pretty sane by comparison.Even Hololive is making $30 acrylic panels for new talent, right?
>>93834135If everyone who works only think about money we won't be getting good stuffs. This is why we get shit movies these days because people no longer has passion.
>>93871149no but it's never happening without pushing
>>93871330My problem with her is meh disagreement and how unapologic she was when her graduation was used to attack other.
>>93871186I wish I was jokinghttps://youtu.be/iLf9P_bWJc4?t=3498It was such a blatant choice of words that even with context it's still tasteless.
>>93870853YEAH and you betrayed your valued sponsors and collaborators Coke-Cola™, OMOCAT™, the Los Angeles Dodgers™, RAID Shadow Legends™, ANIPLUS™, SEGA™, Disney™, VRChat™, ANYCOLOR inc™,
>>93871475i buy for shesimple as
>>93870608Wait. The fucking shrimp video.She put up the fucking shorts to monetize day 1.That clever girl.
>>93871407Or maybe you just have trouble comprehending English and have misinterpreted?
>>93831451when is she collabing with the brotubers thats all I care
>>93871112>>93871411I mean she was surprised at the amount of viewers, she probably should've signed more and is regretting that.
>>93871563No, the merch never sell out due to production orders.
>>93871563lmaopeople talking bootlickers but you simps are just as bad>green woman can do no wrongpathetic sapkeks
The evidence in this thread is just piling up more and more to make me believe that Fauna was just greedy this entire time.
>>93871407take an english class or something holy shit
>>93871732it's making me think sane hololive fans should be more vocal, because some of you fuckers are nuts
>>93871732At least you didn't use>uniquelythis time, fag goat
>>93871563She was NOT surprised at all. She knew about this, she's been planning about this for months ever since she decided to graduate.
>>93871779>>93871794I came into this thread neutral, buds. I'm only saying what I think now after reading everything.
>>93871732Hard to see an alternative, unfortunately. The sheer preparedness is naught but damning.
>>93831451>A person who leaves a company to make easy money never becomes money worship.Who planted this idea in (your) brains?You should think again about why Rule 1 is being enacted on /vt/.
>>93871667It is limited, retard. >>93871720Nice argument seething sis>>93871812Yes, she was. Everyone expected around 40-50k not 90k.
Mikeneko leveled of red flag
>>93871847>>93871732And you believe everything you read from seething schizos? Especially when they're saying shit like >>93867648/who/fags are also saying what this anon said btw. People don't want her to succeed because they're afraid that their oshi will leave too, and they're very very very scared.
>>93871847>readingkek
>>93872027You see? This is why I believe them. because everything you posted right now are baseless assumptions while they posted stuff that kinda has me convinced.
>>93871973Nah, that's no red flag. If anything, she's showing she's treating this too professionally to menhera out of it. On the other hand, she's also showing that this is all strictly a job for her, so don't expect some real passion behind her stuff either. The flag is squarely yellow.
>>93871973Mike has a boatload of issues but even she wasn't bombarding her paypiggies with merch and first day members and she never badmouthed Cover.
>>93871732but Cover Corporation is not. HoloEarth is going to be a revolutionary metaverse product.
>>93871948>It is limitedYou really don't know the rules of Twitch. Not even Cover would sign such a retard contract.I have no doubt she'll be selling the same product as “re-sale” within a month.
>>93872218I expect corporations to be greedy. I give individuals the benefit of a doubt they're not until they show they are.
>>93872109Nimi won Yagoo lostDeal with it.Keep on defend your corposlop. Become like the sisters.
>>93872109>because everything you posted right now are baseless assumptionsI posted nothing of my own. I linked a post, actually mean to link the reply to it. And I've seen posts on /who/ doing the same.
>>93872249Her hand signatures are limited, wtf do you mean? She didn't sign mine and she regretted it.
>>93872109Why is it greedy to sell merch on debut?
>>93872255You permit corporations to be greedy, and shame individuals for trying to not depend on corporations for their living.
>>93872361I think it's dumb when Cover does it too but see >>93872255
>>93872361>>93871330
>>93831706yep. Glad my oshi is pure
>>93872402>shame individuals for trying to not depend on corporations for their livingNice job putting words in my mouth. Nimi didn't need to sell merch on debut to be successful, this post is bordering on gaslighting nonsense.
>>93872402somehow I don't think Nimi needed money on her first dayshe's not some impoverished indie streaming in a rented studio hoping to make it big
>>93872255I don't care about her greed at all. But playing victim is scum.
>>93872491she's a victim of Cover taxyou wouldn't get it because you never had a job
>>93831706Never mind. Sakuna hasn't even finished signing Aqua's graduation merch yet, but she started selling Sakuna's signed debut merch.
>>93872530Oh boohoo, you gonna cry for the CEOs getting taxed too?
>>93872530Go ahead and provide the noombers then.
>>93871732The entire debut felt like it was made to milk as much money as possible. The actual debut itself was boring and completely uninspired, with not even a proper model done yet but she had everything set up to make money.
>>93871411yeah, that sounds bad. Like a tv infomercial for old people.
>>93872549Sakuna was birthday merch
>>93871411Jesas, couldn’t be any more on the nose about it.
>>93835984you're talking to a holodrone, it is a religion for them and they think the girls are the same
>>93872468It's a valid interpretation of your actions.>Corporations are expected to be greedy. I have no choice but to support them.>You're not allowed to do that though. Only Corporations are. You are greedy.Like it's actually fucking pathetic.
>>93831706>She values the fans who support her afterlife more than the fans who supported her before.Something strange? If you expect better service from a sex worker, you need a next appointment and a wad of cash.
>>93872616but now its for zoomersif you want to be really cynical then low production runs also pushes FOMO onto people
>>93872695Yeah, why don't you stop supporting every corporation that has ever done something greedy. Don't buy a single thing from them again. See how long you can survive for, buddy.
>>93871411I didn't get to watch her stream due to work commitments, but I'm so glad I didn't.My fauna will live on in my heart.
>>93872695and they do shell out money and support the corporation, of which the hololive girls are all willing and active participants who signed up to shill merch and sell audio packs and shitit's the thinnest possible veneer of plausible deniability, they don't really believe in any of it
>>93872695How’d you send this post, chief? Who constructed the parts for the magic box you’re using?
>>93872750I need food to live, not a plushie
>>93872487And something tells me you don't need a $2000 PC. I mean if we suddenly want to get moral, your fucking smartphone was manufactured using materials mined by Congolese child slaves. This is all luxury excess at the expense of the third world economies but suddenly it's too much when Nimi sells a limited run of merch for her debut stream. If you're in your 30s you should kill yourself immediately.
>>93872841>pretending to care about the Congo or its inhabitants
>>93872750>I am obligated to watch hololiveethical alternatives exist, why aren't you watching indie vtubers who stream after work and make no money?why do you support heartless greedy girls who voluntarily joined a corporation to shill you merch instead of staying indie?
>>93872799>>93872750That's the point you fucking retard. It's either all bad or it's not. You're a hypocrite if you think it's fine for Cover to sell merchandise and not Nimi. You've drawn and arbitrary distinction.
>>93873038Yep, and the fact Fauna is no longer selling her voice packs unlike a certain Detective, means she's far less greedy than she could've been.
>>93873038Why do you keep putting words in my mouth when I already said I think it's dumb when Cover does it? Here's the difference though. When I see Advent shilling debut merch, I know it wasn't Biboo or Fuwawa or Shiori's idea. It was some corporate fuck in a suit. I don't blame the girls. However, when I see Nimi shill merch on debut, there is no corporate suit behind the decision. It is her. I am not being the least bit hypocritical here because the circumstances are different.
>>93873038these people are so dumb it's insaneas if holomems have absolutely no control of what happens or financial incentive to milk their fans. it just happens because uhhh corporations
>>93873195Proof?
>>93872952The idea is that the girls enjoy meeting their senpai, traveling to Japan, appearing in concerts and all that. And the greedy parts are foisted upon them by the corporation.When a girl acts in a blatantly greedy way, she breaks the illusion and it looks as if she was being fake the whole time.She was not tolerating the shilling in order to belong to Hololive, but the other way around, she was rolling her eyes at the other girls and was just interested in the money.
>>93872841yeah sure developed countries are better off than the Philippines but that doesn't mean Musk, Zuckerberg or Bezos deserve to be trillionaires
>>93873188when, say, gigi joined hololive there was a clear precedent of debut merch shillingjust step one layer back and look at her agreeing to sell merch day one in exchange for an audience and money
>/lig/gers aren’t communi—
>>93873188>When I see Advent shilling debut merch, I know it wasn't Biboo or Fuwawa or Shiori's idea.Mate it was their idea when they applied for the fucking job lmaoThe horrifying thing is you aren't even shitposting. You actually believe what you're saying. This is most naive shit I've ever seen.Sorry, vtubing is an industry. These girls are selling a product whether they're indie or apart of a corporation. This is the real world nigga deal with it
>>93873301What are you saying? That the girls should refuse their chance at growth and success to keep their honor? >but NimiNimi didn't have to have merch on Day 1, we already established that. She had 90k CCV before merch was even mentioned
>>93873212why don't you just delude yourself into thinking nimi wants her fans to have merch, and has priced it so she doesn't profityou clearly can lie to yourself, you just need a good enough premise
>>93873240??? No shit?How is Nimi selling debut merch comparable to Musk, Zuckerberg and Bezos? Where do you racoons come from?
>Companies strive to expand the Vtuber market.>But talent uses that market and IP and customer list to start easy money business.>Distrust of the Vtuber market grows and the market shrinks.Well, she didn't think Vtubers were anything more than a money-making tool, I guess
>>93873188That's a different thing. A vtuber going corpo goes in the red before debut because no salaray after months of training and has to shoulder expenses for debut assets.
>>93873377What are you saying? That Nimi should refuse their chance at growth and success to keep their honor?
>>93873377I'm saying that nimi's kayfabe is that she needs the merch to buy a nice model, the girls' kayfabe is that they're unable to go to japan and record covers without cover inc and $150 holofes tickets
>>93873472>just ignores the second half of the postYeah between this and this >>93873336 clown, I think I'm done here. You two are not going to argue with me in good faith.
>>93873508Yeah run, faggot
>>93873508you are unreachable desuif every hololive girl agreed they were uninterested in selling merch, merch drops would end tomorrow why don't they do that, to stop this unethical practice?
>>93873377But she didn't know she was going to have 90k CCV.
>>93871732>>93872255>>93872750It's honestly pretty fucking funny that Hoomans are the epitome of an edgelord teenager that just started posting on 4chan a couple of years ago. Every fucking thread I see you lot in, even /hlgg/, every post makes you sound like teenagers. I really wonder why Mumei draws that crowd.
>>93873438she's already richer than comparable indies and the people who watch heri doubt she would starve if she went one stream without selling members and merch unlike babies in Somalia per your concernfagging
>>93873599>if every hololive girl agreed they were uninterested in selling merch, merch drops would end tomorrowdyrbi?
>>93873599Are you certain about that, or are you creating an avenue by which to further insinuate corpo = bad?
>>93873633yes, and if you don't get that you're clinically retardedif they really had a problem with it, it would end, they have all the leverage in the world
>>93873508Why would read it when your first argument itself is retarded and hypocritical? The very thing we were arguing about.
>>93873620Zoomers are ADHD ridden losers and Mumei is a girl next door loser with ADHD
>>93873614>"I didn't expect so many people to come to see meeeeee ^_^"Sakuna saidDooby said too
>>93873672>Are you certain about thatam I certain that all the public-facing talent and draw of a company has leverage over their support staff if they really all found it unethical and distasteful?I dunno, how many of your plushies are yagoo
>>93873745Sakuna is HUGE. Dooby had like half of Nimi's ccv. Nobody expected 90k, not even numberfags.
>>93873800The actual number is not the important part here. But you're too low IQ to understand that.
>>93873627>selling membersWait so you have a problem with memberships now? wtf is your problem? Why does Nimi have to live like a fucking Nepalese monk and you don't? Just admit you're looking for reasons to be mad at her. Let her get that bag, it's not like she's a fucking tech mogul like Yagoo. Jesus christ.
>>93873866these people think cover delays selling membership for ethical reasons and politeness, it's a lost cause
>>93873800If they seriously don't think they are going to start a new career from 3views.That's why they debuted within a month of their graduation.
>>93873832Yes, it is. She was probably expecting 40k and her usual Saplings. Why wouldn't she sell them merch, especially when she didn't give anything to buy for her graduation. You are too low IQ to argue.
>>93873866Members in your first stream? Even corpos don't do that, ironically.
>>93873928Because they can't you fucking idiot.
>>93873866They are unironically afraid that indies are making bank. Read these post from /who/ >>93872321
>>93873919>sell saplings merch for a design they didn't even see until 5 minutes agoYeah I guess saplings would be the ones stupid enough to fork over money for that.
>>93873633>>93873672say cover corp, that greedy corporation, starts selling heroin to children with suisei brandingdo you think the holomems would just sigh and go "welp! that's corporations for you!" and put up with it >>93873928they can't, they would if they could
>>93873928Only because they can't. And when they do, they milk the viewers even more. Don't even get me started how much FuwaMoco grift.
>>93873997>sell saplings merch for a design they didn't even see until 5 minutes agoI don't see a problem. Hololive does that shit every month, every single event. WTF are you seething about?
>>93874067We're really just going around in a circle, aren't we?
I have no idea what you guys are discussing right now.But I can only understand that Saplings keep making weird excuses all the time.There is a saying that fans are like their oshi, so perhaps notFauna also made weird excuses.
>>93874015It's not even a grift. None of it is. Vtubers aren't ripping people off when they sell memberships (unless you're Gura). You want extra content and to support your oshi more? Pay $5 a month. It's a good deal.What isn't always a good deal, but sometimes is depending on the talent and what their priorities are, is having a middle man corpo take a cut of that membership money.
>>93874108>excusesSounds like you're mad that she's successful
>>93874108>i didn't comprehend what this discussion was about>but here's my expert analysis
