>membership, merch and collab merch, and limited signed cards all on debut
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>>93843726For me it was the countless references that she is indeed Fauna. It's like she had no other redeeming personalities other than that.
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>>93843726Grifter of the year.
>>93844040Does she?
>>93843726thats not a bar, thats a griftno different than retards who open up their own shitcoin then rug pull
>>93843726It's almost guaranteed you're going to see more members graduate sooner rather than later. I mean why not? You get in Hololive, build an audience and split because the benefits of being a popular western indie outweigh anything about being in a nip corporation. You just know a good chunk of EN was salivating seeing those memberships and view count. Which of course will go down but you're in a better position at the end of the day.
>>93843726Where's her throne?
>>93850664Nvm, found it.https://throne.com/niminightmare
>>93849748HAWKTUAH
>>93849748Except she literally took her entire audience with her. There's not one sapling that won't follow and all the attention just gains her more fans. You can say she's cheating a corporation but who gives a fuck? That's the game baby. It's a victimless grift
>>93850901Not even a fucking grift at all. Most bungled gen from management's end, toughed it out for years and alluded to JP business autism fucking things up recently, which I'm inclined to believe. The best case scenario as far as I'm concerned is that hololive "broadens their horizons" after seeing how well former members reclaim their revenue share.
>>93852286She mentioned multiple times how she wants to play so many retro games and modded skyrim. That was definitely a shot across hololive's perms autism.
>>93852451they opened an american branch, couldn’t they just transfer en over so they don’t have to deal with jp autism over perms?
The real reason for graduating was Cover not letting her use her other accounts to stream old shitty games, even though it's infeasible/impossible to get written perms for those games.
>>93843726No Delutaya did. She was making 5 figures a month on her fanbox. If 2 streams is all it takes anyone who was with Hololive for a significant time will crush it.
>>93844040did you guys think she would just debut with a completely different personality and voice? she's just being herself, it's what the fans like. the person behind the model.
>>93852664I mean, this is just how Japan is. They work for almost an extra 4 hours more than the rest of the world for less productivity. Anyone going into that world expecting anything else doesn't deserve anything imo. It's a literal hell to the point that people kill themselves to escape.Fuck, the whole Isekai genre is built on how oppresive japanese society is. When the common trope of a genre is "workman dies and wakes up in a better world", you have to know things are bleak.
>>93852771I never understood why they dont allow "totally not affiliated" RM stream video games.
>>93852664i think you're talking about the en offices to handle merch. yes, it's just an office. no it's not a store front where you go in and some chick is dressed like pekora.
>>93852664japs are retarded no matter how you slice it. i remember when Gura was only allowed to play the japanese version of RE8 with subtitles because somehow they couldnt get perms for the english version.
>>93852929Anon, that is NOT her rm-self. Don't drink the kool-aid too much brother. She's just being fauna still, which is fine. But she's not her roommate.
>>93852929pretty sure she was using sound bytes from fauna streams for her intro
>>93852921Are you ignoring the part that Delta was extremely active right before holo? lol.
>>93852981It's an easy concession to make but see:>>93852978>>93853050>>93852664
>>93853075you mean her voice? do you sound how retarded you are?>>93853070you mean deep voice lemon? still her.
>>93843726It's the age of the indie. She saw the writing on the wall, and seized her opportunity. Her merch sold out and she made more than most anons will in a year today.
>>93843726Kind of encapsulates everything wrong with vtubers nowadays. It's just findom at this point.>I'm back everyone!>By the way, give me money
>>93843726It's almost like it's her day job or something...
And they said the reason she quit was because she doesn't want to do idol stuff and was forced to do it while it was all along about the money not being enough which causes the disagreement
Noooooo you can't carry on as a continuation of yourself with all the bells and whistles, you have to start from zerooooo.
>>93843726I mean, my oshi can't really pull this sort of scheme since she never retired her PL even after joining hololive, so memberships, merch and all that stuff never went away. I've actually never given money to her holo persona; only her PL.
>>93854677>PL>hololive
>>93853106She nuked all her old accounts and didn't have a fanbox until way after she came back.
>>93843726You don't understand she needs more money to pay off her chibi and L2D from a very special artist
>>93850764404 KEK
>>93853486Yeah, I mean that's just all streamers kinda. I don't really get why giving streamers so much money is just the norm now. I remember when giving a dollar or two was like... it. And that was on Patreon. They might have like a $5 or $10 tier but those were rarely bought.Nowadays, I see folks dropping an easy $20 each stream. Obviously the streams aren't daily, but we're talking about $100 at the end of the month - every month. Have people gone retarded or something?
>>93833524take it up with the naplings
>>93853984More like she wants easy money without putting in too much efforts or investment.>”want to be on stage”lol, she probably wants to just be skin walked and management doesn’t allow it. That’s it “disagreement with management “
>>93855511Uber Eats and Doordash are as popular as ever. Yes, people are tards.
>>93843726No shit why you think all the unicorns are losing their shit. She just set a precedent that could destroy hololive en in the long run if cover don't raise their salaries. All their unicorns friendly whores who are lazy as fuck and thought they can get away with exploiting these mentally ill buffoons can simply go indie stream when they want because the simps and cucks will always follow.
>>93855785I suppose! It's just strange to see it man.
>>93843726Set a bar what. Too high? Too low? You ESLs have to try a bit harder.
>>93853050Is the same fucking game... is there less gore in jp or something I'm not aware of? Why the fuck do they need perm for an English game which is the same as jp just in English did they sent us supreme court a letter asking permission to stream the game in English or something jesus what a fucking drag.
>>93843726And Ame/Dooby did the opposite, her vods aren't even monetized, what's your point?
>>93850901>Except she literally took her entire audience with her.I didn't.
>>93852771>>93852981You're both tourist retards.
>>93843726Well, yeah. That's what they SHOULD be doing. If you plan on leaving, you should prepare early to maximize the return buff and hopefully fund future endeavors. If you leave without a plan you end up like Dooby, Rin, etc. just going MIA for a few months while you settle shit, forcing you to effectively start from scratch.
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>>93857113No. Capcom NA/world has different perms apparently than capcom JP.
>>93855511>Nowadays, I see folks dropping an easy $20 each stream. Obviously the streams aren't daily, but we're talking about $100 at the end of the month - every month. Have people gone retarded or something?Every heard of "internet gentificatrion"? Anon, some people make 10x as much as you do while barely being 1.2x as smart or efficient as you. So they have cash to burn. It is why in the next years entry level gaming cards equivalent to the GOAT 1650S and 1660S will triple or quadruple in price + inflation. Because Nvidia knows it can ask however it wants from people and richfags will gladly pay up.
>>93844040She only made references to Fauna stuff she came up with. Not anything Cover created.
>>93852451Why do people blame Hololive for all the perm problems? Isn't it the IP holders that are the issue? Genuine question.
>>93843726bet she's a jew
>>93855511Maybe it's a generational thing. Who knows.
>>93857817Well that's retarded.
>>93857740Rent free unicuck
>>93858651Then you're a poo.
>>93852664The autism in question is not wanting to get sued and blacklisted by gaming companies. How daft are you people
>>93858781Unfortunately, most JP corpos have that problem. It's why JP could play FromSoft and Atlus easily but Mori and Biboo had to beg for months/years.
>>93857891not everyone who paid $5 and bought a $60 plushie for fauna is working a six-figure job, inflation is real but cmon you think all of fauna fans live in big cities with larger salaries and are also working those jobs with larger salaries? it's just male loneliness at its peak right now while girls talking to you is just a few clicks away. vtuber fans dont make more money than average people, same as how figure collectors or TCG collectors dont either
>>93859273This. The gigachad working out at the gym that drives a sport car and can get sex from any woman isn't the one paying for this stuff. Is the average person in need of affection who is buying all this stuff.
>>93857891I won't deny that companies are trying to squeeze us for all we're worth. Still just strange to see people do it themselves with no pressure exerted on them.>>93858657Probably. I just hope the younger zoomers wake up to what they're doing.>>93859273I will agree that I don't think all those fans are making 6 figures. I would chalk it up to male loneliness but I've seen it just all over the place. At some point I do think it may just be a turning of the age like >>93858657 said.
>>93843726absolute fucking grifter, its wild. Not even trying to hide it, just shows up and says GIVE ME MONEY. Of all the holos, I really didn't think Fauna would be the one to really be like this at heart. I guess you gotta admire the hustle.
>>93859115that argument holds no water when literally everyone else does it
>>93858880Keep crying, sister. Nobody wants to watch your homos and everyone that isn't a retard can see that.
>>93852929not looking to eat a ban here so you're gonna have to do your reps yourself, but she is literally just re-skinned Fauna right now, far FAR from how her rm acts and talks
>>93860469el retardo...
>>93855785I still can't believe uber eats and doordash are a thing. How fucking lazy and dumb can people be? You want some chud fondling your food and bringing it to you cold 45 minutes later and upcharging you like 30% for it? Absolute madness. Get off your dead ass and go get your food.
>>93860604watch a few more clips anon
>>93860666yes, yes you are. It's sad to see someone that stupid
>>93860802I still trust the pizza man
>>93860802I don't think the service itself is worthless. I can see using it if I got really sick and had nothing to eat in my home or needed some medicine like ibuprofen. But yeah, I wouldn't ever use it more than twice a year.
>>93852286And make no mistake, hololive didn't just forget about fauna or any other former member. They are watching and kicking themselves as they see individuals rake in that sweet pure, what is it, 70%? All for one lowly indie to split 1 one way?
>>93861364>All for one lowly indie to split 1 one way?Eh, only for the ones who don't grow the channel.For someone like Fauna or Doki, she'll probably be paying a team with that.
>>93843726The fact that she doesn't even feel free to be herself again upon going indie really puts a lie to all theories about why she left. How the fuck can someone who has been making corpo money for all those years be right back to sucking dick on the street and begging for spare change this quickly? She's either cynical as fuck or having a long-term woman moment.
>>93860604>no prooflmao seething nijisis
>>93862343Holy brain damage
>>93862343You know nothing of what happens behind the scenes or what it's even like to be a talent in holo. Sit the fuck down.
>>93852929Did Dooby reference anything about Ame during her debut? As far as I remember, no.
>>93862530NTA, but I actually do. He's 100% right.https://files.catbox.moe/neppfv.mp4
>>93862721>completely different personality and voice>nah dooby has no resemblance whatsoever to the personality and voice of any corporate character ever. Nope.
>>93863070Can't you read? Did she reference something Ame related? Is voice and personality a fucking reference? Are you retarded?
>>93863327One in every three anons on this board just lack all higher brain functions.
>>93863327Nah dipshit, >>93852929 said using her same voice and personality is normal, which it is. >>93862721 Implies that Dooby did NO such thing. Which she did. She sounds like *ahem*, not dooby and acts like her too. And then you, retard, >>93863327 come in and say some dumb shit cause you can't follow more than 1 level of quote.
>>93852664That branch office isn't an actual subsidiary, only a merch distribution center.
>>93850901Eventually every corpo chuuba will drop the big brand and go back to rebuild their indie name that is not owned by the corpo , the longer they stay the older they will be when trying to rebuild the indie name
>>93862464you're the only one bringing up niji. rent free mindbroken faggot, can you ever NOT think of nijisanji for 5 seconds?
>>93843726If you're going to keep calling Nimi a shill then I'll keep saying Mumei is actually autistic.
>>93849748Maybe Cover should've done better to keep her then
>>93863799Kekdoobymate btfo
>>93861309yeah, for a certain circumstance its nice, but I mean people who do it every single time they eat. its crazy to me.>>93861099pizza delivery gets a pass, it's designed around being delivered
i still dont get it. she has merch and membership? …are you guys just shitposting?
>>93864783nope. She really opened the doors and said MONEY. NOW.
>>93864889she really said that?
>>93865005Could you believe it? No, she didn't.
>>93843726to be fair she was always an omega hire with a shitty past suggestively unworthy of being a holo, holo made her good, not the other way around. she's just going back to being a shameless grifter.
>>93862530ok Netero
>>93865005come on anon. Symbolically, yes.
>>93864783>she has merch and membership?YesBig Money Tapir
>>93865005https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1LGu1yiC8X8watch this shit
>>93861807I don't think that Nimi has quite the ambition that someone like Doki does. Doki is crazy about doing large scale events, doing things for fans, etc. Therefore she probably won't need to have the same kind of payroll. I could definitely be wrong, though.
>>93866491>>93864889>people buying plushies and memberships is... LE BAD!
>>93866684nta but doki is a rare case in which she really-was being truly held back and dismissed by niji management and her leaving was a chance to take off the chains. other girls redebuting all want to try to tap into that energy of being some cast-down fallen hero who is rising back up in some epic comeback story to fight the injustices done to her, because doki is that. but in reality that case is probably never going to be repeated. fauna and ame's circumstances just look like petty bickerings compared to doki's background. doki's good vibes ascendant-vtuber-jesus energy is being leeched but only fucking idiots don't see this.
>>93866684Ah, yeah, definitely.I just meant that she's likely going to have her own team and clearly knows exactly what she'll need to do and who she'll need to hire in order to have a successful career, unlike say, Dooby right now who's just struggling to get her internet working and to keep her PC from crashing every 20 minutes, much less get started on merch.
>>93843726Kek
>>93866953i respect the hell out of doki and really enjoy her streams, but i wasn't saying that to diminish nimi, at least. i don't think she was doing this with the intent of grifting or trying to ride some kind of drama wave. just that doki goes through money like water for her ambitious projects.>>93867118For sure, she'll need some help to manage the things she does get, but I'm willing to bet she'll be getting a larger cut per dollar earned than she was in holo. Dooby... bless her heart is struggling, yeah. Some of it definitely not her fault, some of it she probably could have mitigated with a bit more forethought.
>>93864546imagine how unfair fauna's demands were for cover to actually let her go
>>93867849im starting to believe it really is just perms autism, since corpo can't really compromise on something entirely dependent on other companies' approval.
>>93867956I doubt she'll quit over perms autism, or anyone at all. She definitely wanted a bigger revenue cut or share and was dunked from it
>>93867956I know this is stars, but hearing it described like this really opened my eyes to just how bad the perms autism could be. Absolutely they'll never reach the same number of eyes solo as they would in Holo, but if all they want to do is stream comfortably and entertain people, it's probably a worthwhile trade.
>>93867956Didn't Vesper have a melty because the guy responsible for getting perms screwed him over?
>>93868157i mean, if she's not too engaged in doing 3D lives or anything, her income is literally getting cut to pay some guy to say "no fun allowed". quitting just kind of makes sense at that point.
>>93868224yeah it's pretty fucking ridiculous when not only do a bunch of suits get to take their sweet time telling you what you can and can't play, but at times telling you when you can or can't fucking play them
Lmao there's only a few girls that can get lucky in the indies doki mint nimi etc. If bae were to graduate I guarantee you she wouldn't have the same number in her next life stream as fauna did. The only girl right now in ID that can go indie and survive is kaela. If indies were so good Ollie would be there right now. Right now only a few girls in holoen can top what nimi pulled those girls are fwmc mumei and gura the rest would not be as lucky.
>>93868501Be that may so it is still a job. She probably thought it's not worth the trouble anymore, and saw that redebuting is an easier way for more profit, and it showed.
>>93868586its probably not that bad to deal with if video gaming is a secondary goal and interest for you, but if it's your main audience engagement, it's going to be a huge pain in the ass. wish Fauna had the chance to start a HoloEN Gamers group.instead if things turning out the way they did.
>>93868775Gaming was always secondary to the idol slop.
>>93868586But thanks to build that relationship with those other companies Holo now are regular features in animes and even are producing music to a Gundam show.
>>93864546No company wants that big of a reliance on their talents, that's precisely how you get a dokibird situation.
>>93868808yeah, guess i can see why cover focuses on idolshit and merch though, a corpo doesn't really provide anything if its just to provide vidya perms, and they know any good streamer can just bail on their own.
>>93868968Yeah and that's relevant for the most popular of Holo talents. Not everyone got to benefit from that.
>>93843726>the disagreement with management
