Everyone is blatantly doxxing now. I blame nijisanji and the Selen shitstorm they caused.
Why do corpocucks want former hololive's new identities to be separated and secret so badly? Clearly, if you watch streams, you know Nimi isn't trying to hide she's Fauna at all.
>>93862223How is it doxxing? The woman's dead, retard.She actively wants those people on her new account.
>I am forgotten
>>93862513Corpocucks don't want "traitors" to be known
>nijisanji and Selen>doxxing>nowjust throwing everything at the wall to see what sticks with this one eh?
>>93862223>Salvi and Rima?dude who care these 2 are basically vtubing news tabloids. False at least has the tact to not do this shit and thats why he's the big vtubing newsman.
>>93862223>this vtuber is another vtuber>doxxthat's not what that word means
>>93862223The PL taboo only ever worked to benefit the corposI'm glad it's dying
>>93862902>False>Not a news tabloidL O LOL
>>93862223The only people upset about this are corpocucks
>>93863577Agreed, only true cucks defend it
>>93862223Dear drama channels, big indies have no way of fighting you posting their real faces unlike corpos. Its completely legal if you're both based in the US.
>>93862223I don't get why they're like this.
>>93862223PL secrecy is a corporate ruse to screw over the talents. I am glad Doki slew that monster.
>>93864237>that imagetop fucking kek. so many viewers are horrendously autistic lmao. imagine unironically writing this and expecting people to think it's not the most retarded thing ever
>>93862223>Fauna PL huge debutThat's just blatantly wrong since Nimi isn't her past life
>>93862223You welcomed dramafags when they were shitting on niji. Now that there's nothing to shit on niji for they have to use others. This is your own fault.
>>93863577Agreed. It's a heinous practice that greatly disadvantages the actual creatives. It's also completely ridiculous and would be scorned by sane fans of any other medium. Imaging Warner Bros making a public proclamation telling Ian McKellen that he can't say he was Gandalf. That it survived for so long is probably one of the deepest shames of the hobby. If the actor wants their privacy, they should be able to have it. But if they want to advertise their past roles, they should be free to do so.
Discouraging RM and PL discussion was alright from the standpoint of "we don't want every vtuber discussion to become Kiwifarms lite" but with as many high profile redebuts as we've seen now it's kinda retarded to expect people to follow that mentality.
>>93862223This is doxxing? You people are complete retards. Doxxing is what nijisisters did to sayu and what happened to ame during ameggedon and that time gura decided to be queen bitch and call her by her first name in the middle of a stream. Referring to nimi as fauna is like calling hulk hogan Hollywood hogan you are a fucking retarded if you think that's comparable compared to what ame and sayu went through.
>>93866316Holochad here, I see no problem here. I want the fans of graduated vtubers (Holo or not) to be able to follow them wherever they go.
>>93862698Seethe sister.
>>93862223PL posting is not doxingYour corpo masters trained you to think it isNO streamer cares about itNO streamer wants to hide itTalking about PL and sharing them HELPS the streamer.You fucking retards
>93867316mindbroken
>>93862223Even her general have two names in it. You can think about who to bame all you want but at least Selen and Doki fans have decency to only have one name is caption.
>>93862223it was way before niji you newfag. It is no longer 2020
>>93867980at least they've got nimi's name first
>>93866691>If the actor wants their privacy, they should be able to have it.But that's exactly the problem. The death of the PL taboo means those who want it can't have it.Forget corpos. If the taboo exists, Vtubers who care can get their privacy and the ones who don't can just be unsubtle about it or even reveal themselves. If the taboo doesn't exist, then the ones who care are just screwed.
>>93862223jp corpo cucks should have stayed in 2024
>>93862223Isn't her fanbase name a callback to Saplings? She wants the old fans because it means more money.
>>93862223That's not dox. It's not personally identifiable.
>>93869367what's wrong with wanting your chuuba to be successful? don't holofags use that rational all the time?
>>93862223The line between corpo chuuba and indie PL died with Coco I'd say.
>>93869440it was always a retarded corpo convention
>>93862223The PL taboo was used to separate IRL identity and vtuber persona. Honestly, whether connecting previous vtuber identity and current vtuber identity is alright depends on the vtuber in question. If said vtuber wants to keep her previous fanbase, then it's alright to do this kind of 'doxxing'. This is not even a real doxxing.
>>93869616You are a fucking tourist. You have no idea how this industry works and what makes it good. How about you crawl back to your discord tranny server.
>>93862455They want holos to suffer if they choose to "betray" the company and become indies. There's a lot of shitposting about Kson's decline because they see it as karma.
>>93869939u mad bro?
>>93870095I said what I said. You won't do shit.
>>93867980We had both names in for quite a while and even now we have links to selen resources in the OP. >>93869939Seethe, ken-sama.
>>93868606Certain people will disregard their privacy, taboo existing or not, ultimately the viewers should learn to respect the vtuber's wishes.
>>93870162could you say it again? the crying made it a little hard to make out
>>93869939No one ever cared about PL stuff, streamers actively encourage audiences to overlap.The roommate rule only exists to protect fragile unikek egos and to hide all the boyfriends or worse stuff while protecting the brand. No one would even care to post about roommates if there was nothing to hide and if streams were interesting. If anything, that rule only helps to protect absolute grifters and bad actors. You only support this rule because roommate stuff exposes holos to be just as bad as other streamers.
>>93870070coco was different she left so the china antis would lay off the other girlswhat fauna did is closer to what fagni and vesper did
>>93863577No. Its goodIf you want a fresh start, you get a fresh start.Your past sins should not define your new channelHOWEVERthat comes at the cost of your past victories should not benefit your new channelPeople constantly hopping from persona to persona, corpo to corpo, business to business are just zoomers who don't know how to hold down a job and are constantly looking to move.
>>93862223How else are they supposed to get views if they don't players Fauna's name all over the video?
>>93870351>Your past sins should not define your new channel>HOWEVER>that comes at the cost of your past victories should not benefit your new channelwhat is this retarded larp
>>93870351>that comes at the cost of your past victories should not benefit your new channelSays who?
None of this really matters since the autistic fans doxx the girls before debut anyways.
>>93870258Most of it started when she joined Vshojo
>>93864237remember that this is what you're talking to when you talk to a corporate dickrider
>>93870398>>93870387Both of you may as well post with a tripcode. Let all your previous posts define the context of your new posts.Fuck anonymity right? Connect everything somebody does to what they do in the future. No fresh starts allowed.
>>93870577ok oceane
>>93870258And today a lot of dorito cultists think that CN was right all along and that Coco deserved it because of things Kson has done. Holofags literally do not give a shit about any individual. Only the brand.
>>93862223Good, It's not fair for the talents to work their asses to grow their brand and then loose everything once you leave, especially considering they have to pay for their personal projects out of their own pockets
>>93870351>past sinsWhat kind of sins?>People constantly hopping from persona to persona, corpo to corpo, business to business are just zoomers who don't know how to hold down a job and are constantly looking to move.Job hopping is normal, good jobs that remain good for decades are increasingly rare.
>>93870601What are you doing in this catalog thread doxxknight?
>>93862698Selen's mod actively promoted doki on selen's chat.
>>93870683i'm saying that the only vtubers who need their PLs completely memoryholed are shit human beings like oceane
>>93870685God, they were so based for that.They're still her mods, too. Great guys.
>>93870186You have Mint general, Dokibird general, Sakuna general, Kson, Sayu, you name it, pretty much everyone keep only the current name in the header. It's only started with Ame not-graduating, and now saplings can't let go too.
>>93862223its good for the talents, bad for the corpos
>>93862223It's not doxxing if she's doing it.Why is that so hard to understand?
crazy how manufactured this has all become
>>93870898putting both in the OP on the literal day of the new persona's debut is pretty understandable imowhat's much less understandable is picrel, which you conveniently ignored
>>93864237they still get views so people like this clearly dont matter
>>93862609my dick has not forgotten.I would do anything for one night with her.I won't stop until she is impregnated with quadruplets.
>>93870660Does fresh restart mean nothing anymore?
>>93870949It's pathetic. Teammates can justify it with Ame technically not graduating or do whatever mental gymnastics they do. But Fauna did graduate, at least Saplings could respect her decision.
>>93868606You can't stop people from finding out that you are the person you were.Whether the taboo is in place or not, people find out anyway.If a vtuber wants to have a fresh start, all they have to do is enforce the separation themselves.
>>93871225take it from a small corpofag that's seen countless movements to and from corpos; it's normal for it to take a while before the new persona becomes the default in people's minds. nimi literally just debuted today so it's pretty understandable. i'm pretty sure mint & doki had the same circumstance for a while, too? amedooby anons are the real weirdos and I don't get why they're clinging so hard to the ame brand.
>>93871361>amedooby anons are the real weirdos and I don't get why they're clinging so hard to the ame brand.They want to pretend they're still watching a Holo instead of an indie
>>93871520genuinely retarded if true
>>93871361>amedooby anons are the real weirdosAlways have been
>>93862223
>>93871520>>93871361Eh, everyone transitions differently. They'll come around eventually. No point worrying about it if it isn't harming anyone, and they've been nice overall.I'm expecting the naplings to be chill too.
>>93862223>doxxingshouldnt 13yr olds be watching naruto or something
>>93871361>doki had the same circumstance for a while, too?Not really. I don't think there was a single General thread that had two names at the the same time and got to bump limit. It's more of this board culture thing. For example before Fuwamoco debuted you could see countless threads of people obviously knowing who they are but they never had "Past_persona_name + new_persona_name General" header.
>>93868220Yeah, unlike the Amelia Watson and Dooby appreciation thread
>>93862223You don't know what "doxxing" is you underage retard.
>>93871808might be misremembering. either way, neither doki nor mint's fans had any trouble embracing the new identities (obviously). point is it's fairly normal for fans to take a couple weeks to fully adapt.
>>93862223What's the point? Literally everyone knows it's Fauna. We can respect etiquette and not say it outright, but none of her fans are going to pretend that she is some random literal who that they have to fall in love with all over again.
>>93871980>We can respect etiquettewhy the fuck should we respect this retarded "etiquette" to begin with?
>>93872031>retarded "etiquetteits gone thanks to doki-sama
So far you guys have talked about vtubers who ended up being the same after leaving. What about when they just fucking implode and start a shitshow like mikecat? Her post graduation antics were always being linked to her PL agency and that wasn't fair to her former coworkers.
>>93871357Basically this, Sana told her fans to move on and even blocked people bringing up Hololive constantly. Meanwhile, I have absolutely no doubt that Fauna would want everyone to know she's Nimi but can't because of the NDA, so fans have to do it.
>>93872231mikecat is a very, very, very, very, very good example of why PLs should not be memoryholed.>>93872236sana is a special circumstance because she quit vtubing entirely and is now at most png-tuber once in a blue moon.
i missed when we actually respected vtubers as separate from another
>>93872451how is that a form of "respect"
>>93862513>The woman's deadit a drawing retard
>>93862223PL posting isn't doxxing retard, and people like Nimi want their fan base to follow them so they actually want word to get out. And PL posting isn't banned on /vt/ like I can say that Gura was Senzawa and nothing will happen.
>>93862223>doxxingRetard..
>>93862223>How do I make this about Nijisanji
>>93862609Turns out she actually did leave the fans not the other way around.
>>93873756she left when corpo dickriding was at its zenith. she'd be doing WAY better if she left like six months ago.
>holobronies normalize doxxing in their war against nijisanji>blame nijisanji once the boomerang hits them in the face
>>93862223>Previous personas/accountsNot dox.>Real faces, addresses, other identifying informationDox.It's that simple.
>>93871361amedoobies are not weird. dooby is just indie ame with bigger ears and a tail>>93872231it's honestly kinda crazy how hard she imploded. she still can't stop getting in trouble. was hololive unironically /saving/ her?
>>93872472If you make a decision to ditch your one online pseudonym and instead use another pseudonym it is safe to assume you wouldn't want people to bring up your past pesona. Because if you don't mind people addressing you as your past pseudonym why would you change it in the first place instead of staying as that persona.
>>93877465>If you make a decision to ditch your one online pseudonym and instead use another pseudonym it is safe to assume you wouldn't want people to bring up your past pesona.bafflingly retarded post. she's literally not allowed to use her old online pseudonym. and no one's saying they should bring up her past persona to her face or anything like that.
>>93862223>I blame nijisanji and the Selen shitstorm they caused.You mean the one you manufactured, holocultist.
>>93862223This isn't doxxing you moron. In fact the vtubers only benefit from old fans re-discovering them.
>>93862223I thought you guys loved dramafag channels, I guess it's not funny when they aren't shitting on Nijisanji
>>93872974The drawing's dead, retard
>>93878237She's not allowed why? Because she made a decision to ditch Fauna and redebute. She wasn't fired.
>>93879251this has to be falseflagging right
>>93870949>which you conveniently ignored.... nigger learn to readhe literally pointed out how adding the holo name started with Ame i swear if american school system wasn't so dogshit i would assume 90% of threads are full of ESL retards who barely understand english
>>93873062Then mentioning lemonleaf talking about her boyfriend should also be alright in your opinion?
I see that PL normalizing coming from choobas themselves right now. Just wanna say it's going to bite them in the ass one day.
>>93862455Fuck Hololive
>>93871154Ngl you have to be gay to pick this one over literally any other Holo reject, PL, or RM
>>93871361>i'm pretty sure mint & doki had the same circumstance for a while, too?Dokibird was a completely unique set of circumstances where the Dragoons and Selen's mods staged a mutiny against Nijisanji after they betrayed her.How this happened was Selen's original test stream was still up, but just unlisted and Nijisanji didn't revoke her mods powers. So they just took over that pre chat room and started spamming the equivalent of 'DOKIBIRD IS SELEN, FOLLOW HER' Word of mouth of the room spread like wild fire and because it was the middle of the night in Japan, Nijisanji staff wasn't awake to shut it down so the room was up for several hours.
>>93881696Here's a sample of what the chat looked like.
>>93862223they did this for kson first, retard
>>93870250Of course this was ignored unicorns are mentally buck broken lmao
>>93862609Unless I'm reading the situation wrong you still got banned whenever you tried posting things relating to Kson whenever she (Kson) streamed.
>>93870387People who are fanboys of elon musk they're larping as him now.
>>93881806Aww poor anon have the (You), please don't cry.
>>93862698That's not what he meant, retard.
>>93881896Okay virgin. I won't apologize your delusional immersion about what you want these women to be was shattered. Heres a coupon for a nice warm cup of shut the fuck up at your closest coffee shop of choice.
>>93882134Seethe harder redditard
>>93862223The vtubers themselves don't care and even encourage it, so why should I care?
>>93862223>doxxingChrist.
>>93880005>muh redditLol virgin seethe. Your npc tier response has no effect on me chud. Go outside you fat faggot.
>>93882134I knew you are gonna cry, you always cry.
>>93882472>guy crying about vtuber being big outside his shithole Japanese corpand being friend with people he doesn't like is projecting about others crying.Is this the best holodrones have to offer?
>>93882544You really like to imagine up things to cry about, don't you?Holy delusion.
>>93882634Just like holodrones?
>>93882554No you can't retard. What's with flip and their obsession with dox? And I assume you are a man correct? Who in your family raised you where you believe seething and gossiping about men is manly an alpha. Who raised you man? Where was your father.
>>93883106how is that a dox when she openly talked about him on her channel? The same channel she rebranded to nimi now.
This is not Dox, this is a new advertising norm. Those who abandoned Yagoo’s dream do it this way because they want to squeeze every last penny out of their old character. They think that their participation in the project and the audience they attracted were more or less entirely their own achievement, with no contribution from the company’s reputation, network, or the creation of the rig. After all, it’s a legal loophole, they’re marketing themselves as ex-Hololive talents, claiming they still hold the same high value as they did before leaving the Walled Garden.
>>93862223>doxxinglook up the definition of that word, you fucking retard
>>93862223Dramatubers are worse than clippers
>>93862223It's actually how 4chan, of all places, moderates doxxing and PL posting. Whenever I see forbidden knowledge in my algo I get culture shock.
>>93862223Imagine if I went on /mu/ and people were complaining about "doxx" because I said Gescom were Autechre or The Tuss was Aphex Twin, this is what you retards sound like to me
>>93883509Same fan name, same artist, same kind of character...I thought only Mikeneko would be that petty, but I guess green women trend the same.
>>93883770Vtubers aren't public figures or politicians. They're Alan Smithees.
>>93862223Seriously, just look at the suggestions you get if you put nimi nightmare in the Youtube search.>>93863577Based.>>93881696It wasn't about mods giving people the missing information, because tons of people knew. Those greynames in >>93881758 are probably mostly from Reddit. But the mods gave a powerful signal that day. It was about permission, not knowledge.>>93870250>tries to call out unikeks>still implies that a roommate having a boyfriend is "being bad"
>>93862223You mean the shitstorm Kson/Coco caused, the one Hololive caused
>>93862223Almost everyone /here/ is defending this cultural shift as I expected, but I think it takes away a lot of the magic and mystery and advantages of being a virtual entertainer. If you’re going to treat them like voice actresses with an anime avatar you might as well watch a fleshie.
>>93870192Once again, the sanest opinion goes unnoticed and un(you)'d
