>>93867570I don't watch hololive
I'm glad you also chose the answer on the right OP
>>93867656
Trust the talent or trust the corp that encourages their talents to speak well of their incompetent management but also slaps nda in their contracts to prevent them from telling their fans the real reasons behind their departures. Wow what a hard choice!
Kronii won
>>93867570>>>/pol/
>>93867570Death to corpodrones.
>>93867570How can Holo avoid hiring Doobie and Nimi types in the future?Also, I suspect her faunwell "mistake" was on purpose
>>93867834Kronii won the fickle "approval" of the incels here.Nimi won hundreds of thousands of dollars.Which one would you prefer?
>>93867570I never doubted. Knew she was a grifter. Glad I didn't get cucked.
>>93870029I'm donating the max amount YouTube allows to Kronii for the next few months.Don't mess with unicorngods.
>>93870035>doritosimp in 2025lel
>>93870098>unicorngodsWhy do you keep losing then?
>>93870113>>93870163If this is losing I don't want to see what winning looks like.New heights were reach after removing the homos.
>>93870225YWNBJ
>>>/pol/
>>93870225>numberfaggingevery time lol
>>93867570Actually it’s not “management bad”, but “disagreement with management”
>>93869979Why would they want to? Did you see the numbers Nimi's debut got? Jesus Christ imagine if she was a holo!
>>93867570why is it okay for cover to sell debut merch but not fauna? checkmate holokeks
>>93870485Now tell me, would she get those numbers if she didn't do something in particular in the recent past?
>>93867570I trust the one that isn’t wasting tons of money on a shitty VR app after Silicon Valley moved on from the shitty VR trend half a decade ago.
>>93870098Yeah I’ll believe it when I see it
>>93870532Recent past? What do you mean? She just debuted. There is no recent past.
>>93870614So the answer is no, of course.
>>93870564Don’t bother. They will pretend it doesn’t exist when it fools and they will clap like seals as they get fewer and fewer streams a month in the name of idolshit
>>93870564who cares what the grifters of silicon valley do? they just need h1bs to make a prototype of the next hype tech they can sell to investors who can exploit the masses to pay for it
its always /pol/tards.
>>9387068>fools*flops
>>93870485Should wait a few months before you brag about numbers if you don't want to risk getting endlessly made fun of in the catalog like what's happening to doob and kson fans.
>>93870726True. You don't wanna end up like Aster, Mr. 90k debut, now 2view (or 0view since likely termination.)
>>93870029You're talking as if kronii isn't going to earn those those thousands of dollars.
>>93870690And that’s exactly what Cover is doing with HoloEarth.
>>93870439Disagreement about cut rates, I presume
>>93870726Dooby is getting the same numbers she did as a holo.
>>93871093holoearth is yagoo's passion projecthe deserves itcover is a tech company in his eyes
>>93870277>>93870358>instant seethe
>>93867570"Managment is actually fine you guys! All those times we talked about how management kept stonewalling us, and then bitched about it publicly to our fans was just a little joksies! Especially Ina, who got sent to the time-out corner for a month for no fucking reason!" Seriously though, even Yagoo outright admitted that Cover screwed up by growing to quickly, and that the corporation would need to adjust better going forward; so, Cover's management screwing up in the past isn't even a matter of debate, but a matter of public record. And yes, that's not unusual. And no, past mistakes don't mean that Cover is incapable of correcting course and doing better; in fact, it's usually the massive public embarrassments that help drive companies to do better. But even so, the people who suspected that something was wrong with Cover's management were right.
>>93871327Reddit space some more.
>>93871227Ok good for him. I don’t give a shit about funding his pet project and I don’t know why you would either.
>>93871383>when most of her whales were unicorns who summarily got burned by the Mag reveal?
>>93871144No she isn't
>>93867570trust all women
>>93871472Her YT numbers are basically the same. It’s just Dooby is an idiot and wants to force people to watch her on twitch when most of her audience is clearly on YouTube.
>>93867570>he believed the damage controloy vey
>>93867570Yes I did.
>>93874929based
>>93867570right everytime
>>93874929Why do Chloe and Fauna look down?
Membership is one thing but what kind of egotistic assholes makes merch of her own new vtuber persona before even debuting?, if there was ever a mask off moment it was that, not the homo collabing, not the membership, not the Kronii stuff, but actually preparing merch for your debut is something no indie as ever done before and for obvious reasons yet this bitch is so narcissistic she had no doubt she would be a solo success and prepared accordingly to milk her retarded fans, it's beyond shameless is outright acting of ill will.
>>93879357>debut merch badYou holodrones never fail to surprise me with that nonsensical drivel you vomit out to anti ex holos.
>>93867570
>>93880160Idiot, tell me of any other indie that has done such a thing, go ahead I'll wait.
>>93882357Explain why providing merch for your fans is supposed to be bad first.
>>93867570>>93867834Kronii and Bae were right
>>93867570But enough about Nijisanji
>>93870098She'll be thankful for that condom money
>>93867570I don't like vtubersI just like holomems
>>93867570>Fauna we need you to record a song>B-but I c-cant s-sing>You should take singing classes like everyone else in the company>B-but I d-dont want to s-sing... S-Shondo s-said...>Why did you join a idol company if you dont want to improve your singing>FUCK THIS BLACK CORPO MANAGEMENT
>>93882413>goalposting already>goalposting so bad trying to move the argument from "day 1 grifting" to trying to go "all merch is bad"Pathetic, I made you a simply request and can't even provide that because you are full of shit. But for arguments sake I'll humor you this once and explain to you that having and selling merch is not an issue at all, the red flag here is doing so on THE VERY FIRST DAY, her hubris, her narcissism to do something like this, she must have been preparing and planning for months if not even longer, not a single shade of doubt that she's make all the money back and more, blatantly abusing of the community that she built before.And no, no indie has done this ever before because it's a massive fucking risk, not even Doki or fucking Mint did it, not matara fuck not even fucking MIKE did it.
>>93867834>The one marked by the beast was rightThis is why snot died
>>93870035Based cover god
>>93883029Damn you are getting riled up just because I asked you to explain yourself first and yet you didn't actually deliver a single sound argument why it's supposed to be bad and the only argument you seem to have is that it's bad because supposedly other indies didn't do it.Providing merch also isn't abusing your community, either you buy it because you think it's worth it and you have the money or you pass on it without repercussion.
>>93870035based king
Sex with White Liberal Vegan Women
>>93882792Her singing actually has improved. It's still shit, but it was unfathomably bad before.
>>93882792Yeah I'm kinda questioning now if she had an actual problem that wasn't resolvable by getting a new manager, or if she just wanted more money + not going to Japan + muh GameCube games. I know Holo is pretty limited in their flexibility with game content, but Fauna also rarely did variety content despite being the ASMR+streaming focused Holo. Gives me a bad taste in my mouth, man.
>>93884122game perms is a pretty big deal if the only content you do is gaming.
>>93867570Cover is a dodgy, shady piece of shit that lost respect and sight of who built that brand they sit their fat ass on, but you should NEVER trust a vegan, much less a vegan woman
>>93867570Yes. White liberal woman
>>93884181>Cover is a dodgy, shady piece of shit that lost respect and sight of who built that brand they sit their fat ass onSuisei, Miko, Marine, and Pekora?
>>93867767>trusting a vegan
>>93884179Well, it's because she's not particularly good at ASMR either. But there's tons of content you can do without gaming too, not even considering idol stuff, that many JPs do.
>>93884285Honestly don't know why Fauna never did regular yapping streams like Polka does.
>>93884122Ame has directly proven that wrong
>>93884548Because she likes having something to yap to. Games create random engaging situations that make for funny, entertaining moments, or remind you of something you can go on a tangent about. Minecraft Monday was her dedicated yapping stream too, the game was 95% just a background that she barely focused on, because placing blocks or flying around only takes so much of your attention while you yap.
If fauna was a liberal vegan, kronii wouldn't hate her so much.
>>93884726most of her yapping seems to come from bouncing off chat more than anything. maybe just a confidence issue in talking without any guidance.
>>93874929I love blondes, i lost two of my favourites blondes girls, Amelia Watson and Yozora Mel.
>>93884548It's something that rather annoys me about EN is few members do chatting streams. It's almost ALWAYS superchat reading, which is a waste of time. JP girls do chat streams and morning streams and talk about >I saw X at the studio and we did this together >I've been reading Y manga or saw this anime>I've been eating too much lately>I masturbated 5 times today and went to see my doctor about it (Marine)But only a few girls do streams like this normally, like Shiori who tends to make streams where she works on her schedule, or just do something like Legos while talking. I'm not sure if it's mandate from the EN directors or just appealing to zoomers playing Subway Surf in the corner to keep their ADHD, but EN just doesn't do the same, which is annoying.
>>93867570Green woman good.
>>93882357>Why isn't this indie acting just like everyone else?!Actual holodrone thinking.
>>93867656FPBP
>American audiences want to see American woman play video games on YouTubeVs.>Japanese company wants to have people worldwide sing Japanese songs in Japan to sell tickets and merchandiseMost Westerners don't want to learn Japanese. They want to see quirky Japan through an English lens. Nimi is an anime chibi that gives the people what they want.
>>93885508Well yeah, what makes some indie so special? Does she have corporate sponsors or something?
>>93883029>it's a massive fucking riskGuess what, she can take that risk. Explain to us again why she's not allowed to do so and who's going to stop her.
>>93884871No, she can yap without that too, but she just likes interacting with the chat, it's natural instinct for her.
What I find funny is not only do people see how blatant this nickel and diming is, but also are waking up to how much saplings try their absolute best to gaslight and excuse anything negative Fauna/notFauna does. They've been like this for years. To the point where engaging with them is pointless because they'll just default to calling you "brownfeet" when they have no argument left.
>>93883369>>93885783>ignoring the argument and goalposting yet againIt's all so tiresome, why can't you pieces of shit get range banned already fuck's sake
>>93885704She has excellent organizational and networking skills, apparently.
>>93886764>Damn you are getting riled up just because I asked you to explain yourself first and yet you didn't actually deliver a single sound argument why it's supposed to be bad and the only argument you seem to have is that it's bad because supposedly other indies didn't do it.
>>93886764You have no argument. You're angry that an indie broke a rule that you made up. You're the one who should explain why she's not allowed to do it.
>>93887412NTA but why would an indie come out swinging with $60 merch? Isn't that rather presumptuous for someone who just debuted to try to sell to their new fanbase? It's not a rule, but rather decorum, no?
>>93887500>NTAkek
>>93887500> Isn't that rather presumptuous for someone who just debuted to try to sell to their new fanbase?Maybe. But she and her fanbase are not new. Capitalizing on short-term success has been part of content creation since the beginning.>decorumlol, lmao
>>93867834Asian women were right again
>>93867570even though I know it's all an illusion it sucks when the illusion breaks and you're slapped in the face with it that debut was insanely cynical
>>93887582I mean you can believe me or not, I wanted to offer a second opinion.>>93887638>But she and her fanbase are not new.She's literally a new Vtuber with a new name and a new design, how is she not new?
>>93887638he's right though it's greedy and cynical at least have the humility to not assume you're gonna have a sizeable viewership after holo and not assume that there will be people willing to buy your merch
>>93887755>>93887836You "two" should kiss.
>>93887889>Everyone arguing with me is a samefagSo even if we entertain that thought, wanna answer me? Or just be sarcastic?
>>93887836>at least have the humility to not assume you're gonna have a sizeable viewership after holoBraindead take. We all know what hololive brand means and how it was going to end. kson had to work hard to fuck herself over.
>>93887889I refuse to reddit space but you should have some self respect not sure what kind of johnny-come-lately would be a tryhard about punctuation on an imageboard btw
>>93888059do you understand the concept of humility you retard
>>93888025Not a new vtuber, and she vastly underestimated the viewership she would get to begin with. Now kiss.
>>93888170>Not a new vtuberYes she is. Lemonleaf was an old Vtuber, this Nimi literally just invented herself yesterday. Unless you think Vtubing should be for people to just jump around with a new name every time they piss someone off, like that Cat guy?
>>93888166Do you? How much humility should she fake when everybody knows she will get thousands of viewers?
>>93888251*sigh*
>>93888433Literally no argument? Holy fucking lazy. >>93888312Why would a brand new Vtuber get thousands of viewers? Most 2views struggle to get 200-300 on debut.
>>93867570The one on the right, obviously. /VT/ is one of the most diverse 4chan boards, you know.
>>93867570Always support the company. These girls would be negligible wastes without the company graciously manifesting their abilities as vtubers. If they leave they're ungrateful traitors that are spitting in the face of their selfless benefactors who made them successful.
>>93883029get out your credit cards
>>93867570>First thing the vegan does in her new debut is milk for big moneyHonestly reminded me of a scam. This confirmed for me that she shouldn't be trusted.
>>93867834>my other liberal woman wonI don't get it.
>>93867570op already chose for me right
>>93870098can someone explain. Fauna is anti unicorn because she paid someone to do a VO for her debut because she wanted it in the style of a documentary. And Kronii is pro unicorn despite breaking promises about homo collabs The boys weren't allowed to ask for them supposedly and she said she wouldn't ask yet they happened and put them on her channel to spite the people who didn't like it. Am I getting this right?
>>93867570I'd trust a retarded, half-brain, communist, gay, tranny, pajeet-chink-nigger mixed female of a person over any company.
Do I trust the company that is actively hiring chinese speaking positions for expansion into the chinese mainland market? No I do not
>>93870098the max amount is $2000 a month, trust me I know, good luck
>>93867570I trust neither because neither have my best interests in mind. Both only want my money.
I choose the option that makes (You) seethe
>>93880161Based
>>93884181never use migo's image again tourist
>>93867570I chose Fauna, so yes.
>>93870029The stable income and exposure from the large corporation, next.
>>93888251>Today we learn that Anon lacks object permanence.
>>93888709>Having merch is a betrayal
>>93889274The key to understanding it all is to keep in mind that unicorns are fucking retarded.
>>93892078Vtubers are not objects. They are internet characters.
This thread's average IQ is sub-zeroAs an actual fan, I was delighted to get debut merch. Clearly thousands of others were too. Stay mad.
>>93867834She lost my trust when I found out she was a bitch behind the scenes
>>93887716sanest take ITT.
>>93874929Baaaaaaaased
>>93874929I only cared about Aqua.
>>93883029If it was a massive risk, it turned to be one worth taking. Nimi is a trailblazer.
>>93894450well, ok. A-chan too, but she left because of her family business.
>>93874929King
>>93884285>she's not particularly good at ASMR eitherbut she won best ASMR vtuber two years in a row at the vtuber awards
>>93895392And some fat guy won best content creator at TGA, awards are still memes.
I'd trust my oshi over company mandated statements yes
>>93887755>how is she not new?
>>93867834I kneel and cum
>>93896566To add to that, she explicitly mentioned her LemonLeafASMR channel so she's not trying to pretend like she's a brand new VTuber
>>93896566I too could buy an old YouTube account if I wanted an old account, this is like that Sonic comic artist taking all his OCs after he left and saying it's a classic character
It really is true that the holofags oshi is the fucking corp!
>>93896777?
>>93896777trips truth nvke
>>93867656Fpbp
>>93896777well, duh
6 people in one year, the most in Hololive history(so far).So yea I'll trust her, there's clearly a lot of problems but you retards will acknowledge them since you're married to the dorito, this shit with fauna or ame isn't even the first time you've done this, most of you instantly turn on them the moment they leave.
right everytime not because i dislike holo but i don't trust vtuber corpos
>>93894265 Is she not a bitch on the scene lmao?
>>93898747>most of you instantly turn on them the moment they leave.Most of their fans also turn on their former colleagues the second they're out of the company, some even before it. Despite crying and shitting during their "oshi"s graduation as if they're literally dying.
>>93898852Trusting a corporation is stupid but trusting a woman is also stupid.
>>93867570If you trust a company, you're a retard.If you trust a woman, you're a retard.
>>93887716That's the worst part of it for me as well. Dooby and Sakuna's redebuts were healthier and didn't threw any form of shade to her previous work compared to hers.It is what it is, I guess.
>>93899918You still have to pick the lesser of 2 evils so OP is right
>>93867570>Giving a shit about the Cover rather than the talents who are all still friendsKys
>>93900268I don't watch vtubers so I can pick neither.
>>93900897absolutely no one is friends with her now
>>93867570When you put it that way, I trust Luigi
>>93867570Fuck the corporations...i don't trust them anymore
>>93901892why was she still playing league with them 2 days ago
>>93867570ALL corpos are bad.
>>93871360I think you're the redditor here you safe spaced "everything is fine" faggot
>>93898747Most hololive fans are fans of the company, not the talents.
>>93867570The artist formally known as Fauna is cute af. I also stopped watching Hololive when Ame graduated so w.e.
>>93904828I'm a fan of women who are prevented from being retarded.
>>93867834Kronii won by getting a 2.0 design added to her contract so that she can eventually get a Hololive model that isn't sleazy coombait. The Kronii coomers that are currently throwing shit at Fauna unicorns are missing the signs that both talents had major disagreements with management.
>>93870098Put your name where your money is. Drop your youtube handle so we can watch and see if you actually keep your word or not.
>>93895392Tekken 8 won Fighting game of the year. That tells you everything you need to know.
>>93867570I too am a brand worshiper
>whiteProof, if proof were needed, that most of the Fauna hate on this board is simply ethnic resentment from our seething SEAfriends
>>93895392nigga...
>>93867570I will watch both
>>93867570Fuck Fauna
>>93870035absolute state of cultists
>>93896777You say it like its was a secret or something.
>>93867570Does that mean Aqua and Ame were wrong too?
>>93867570Unironically right. I am not going trust an "established" corpo. It's a fucking corpo. When did trusting corporations end well?
>>93914072Cuckling…
>>93914204I don't even watch her. I just hate corporations. You think I'd end up on this garbage website if I liked them?
>>93879357Not just that but opening memberships, letting people join, then announcing male collabs afterwards.
Kronii was right and did nothing wrong. Apologize to Kronii right now.
>>93880161That's not fair. Why is it $5 CAD and $5 USD when CAD is funny money? You may as well be paying with ARS.
>>93914608Is it a problem that poor people have anything nice in life?
>>93870029who's nimi
>>93914382>Not just that but opening memberships, letting people join, then announcing male collabs afterwards.Anon you should at least watch her debut before you throw out shit like this. Nimi likely will commit the "sin" of playing video games with guys but for the moment unicorns are only freaking out because Caspurr made her lore video.
>>93867656Flippidy bippity
okay seriously someone catch me up cause this is the timeline as I understand it. I have to be missing something>we can't be friends and that shouldn't even be something you want [footage missing]>I am leaving due to disagreements with management[footage missing]>an already well established personality sells merch day 1>communicated with some guy she worked with to make her introWhat the fuck am I missing? There is no way this is everything.
>libs bad>corpos goodI like how this board doesn't hide its rightist bias anymore.
>>93870277Thank Allah I'll never be a jew, unlike your shaolmic ass
hololive can do no wrong. Management good. All talents are happy.
>>93867570>a vegannever
>>93887836But she was right anon. She had a sizeable portion turn out who were interested in buying merch. That’s how she sold out. It’s not like she overestimated anything, she actually underestimated the fans.
>>93867570Stop licking big companies shoes dude.
>>93867570i don't give a single shit about literally anyone but my oshi
>>93867570Love Nimi, Fauna and hololive
>>93867570We watch the corpo not the vtuber
