>leaves Hololive not because she has a disagreement with management, but because she wants more money, just like Magni>won't even bother coming to Japan like all her genmates, so her signature is a piece of paper glued to the board>even Fubuki makes fun of her being lazy>saplings direct all the hate towards Kronii who saw through her shit and became cold and distant towards her>avoids the Homos throughout her time in Hololive just to force saplings to watch an animation done by Magni during her debut stream>goes on vacation with Randon several times a year>tells her paypigs to get those credit cards out right in the debut stream>doesn't even bother to get the vtuber model done, just gets straight to milking her paypigs with a half-assed chibi modelI don't even feel like making fun of saplings. I honestly feel sorry for them.
>>93895188Honestly, she’s made me distrust anyone I currently trust. CC could be exactly the same for thinking CC would be like this is equally as absurd as saying Fauna would do everything she just did back in 2023. /vt/ would laugh you off the board if you said she’d graduate before Gura, shill terrible merch in debut and collab/talk with Magni behind the scenes. For all we know they’re all fucking like this.
>>93895188So many words when you could have reduced it down to "I'm gay"
>rratogey
>>93895188my main complaint is that many people accused Cover of being a black company and her genmates of being bootlickers when in fact she only wanted more money.I don't know if that's her fault or the fault of saplings
>>93895188>even Fubuki makes fun of her being lazy this I gotta see
I wonder if someday a girl will leave Hololive without the fans attacking them
>>93895594>Randonmerch in debut so this likely took some time to prepare longer than fauna fans realized and she still had her priorities fucked cuz the actual fucking model wasnt even read yet but the merch was
>>93895188>even Fubuki makes fun of her being lazyProof?
>>93895188Pretty sure the model is also done already, she's just holding it back for a big model reveal when interest starts to wane or she needs to re-up memberships. By now everyone should realize what a high level operator she is and how long she has planned this.
>>93896112Nobody attacked Sana. Doobie got off pretty easy too.
>>93896112The reason that will never happen isn't because of the fans but because you yourself only see what you want to see.
>>93896112idk maybe just don't spit in people's faces I guess that's too hard
>>93896180fuck yeah you're probably right
>>93896180That's genius
>>93896220You're the one that only sees what you want to see. It's happened every time and you fags always make excuses about why it's totally justified this time.
>>93895188>but because she wants more moneyYeah, it's called disagreement with a management. Get a job.
>>93895188
>>93896333read >>93896212
so did she say she wanted more money or is it yet another made up scenario schizos are getting mad about?
>>93896361They absolutely did attack Sana, dipshit. Ame got off easy because it was a non-graduation cope. You're all dogshit fanboys. Go jerk off to the hololive logo.
>>93896112Nobody even attacked Doobert, except when she collabed with a bunch of shitty indies.
>>93896052>>93896179>All those tweets a day after Fauna's announcement.
>>93896513This is just how Fubuki normally is though.
>>93896457>They absolutely did attack Sana, dipshit.No. Sana was attacked before graduation because she didn't stream.After her graduation anouncement, the antis stopped
>>93895188I didn't think unicorns would be this outraged. Is this is what it's like because I don't feel anything
>>93895594Hololive is not for you then. Goodbye.
>>93896457Sana got shit, because "dog died, back hort" and she took weeks long breaks unprompted. She was basically Gura of 2024 before it was cool.
she's a bitch through and through. always was
>>93896212So weren't there? Because people here called her a liar and the laziest EN, ruiner of Council, etc. They still do to this day.
>>93896112Will never happen. The brand always matters more than the talents
>>93896212You have got to be fucking kidding me
Kronii was right
>>93896457Thank you anon. I get concerned when I see people think that Hololive is just the logo and not the people who make it possible.
>>93895188I'm just happy I dropped her once she announced her graduation and found that her reasoning didn't fall in line with her track record. She obviously hated the idol stuff, hated coming to Japan and did the bare minimum outside of regular streaming, which she did less and less of as time went on. Also makes sense why the other Promise girls were lukewarm about her departure because her reasoning when compared to her time in Hololive probably came off as both lazy and greedy to them.
>>93895188Nousagi truly is the Karl Marx of vtubbing, spouting ideas that to those of mediocre intelligence makes sense, but as soon as you follow it, you fuck yourself over.
>>93895188my last straw is she's flirting with Caspurr behind my back. like bitch you have been perfectly avoiding the homos for years while in holo and now you're doing a project with him!!!
>>93896513Let me guess, you love Fauna now>>93896921Was it worth harassing her for years as well, anon? Was it worth it?
>>93896851>>93896918Sana didn't went her way to blame management as one of her reasons for graduating didn't she? That's the thing.
Is wanting more money not a valid reason to leave a job?
>>93895188Thank god she was kicked out of Hololive. Thank you Yagoo for not bending the knee.
>>93897111No you lower class pleb. Get to work. You don't even deserve what I pay you.
>>93896112Its not so much about her leaving Hololive as much as how much it stands out compared to the last two. Her choosing to cut all ties instead of soft graduating as an affiliate is going to raise questions no matter what, on top of going out of her way to blame management in her announcement video.But it is what is, she'll be fine unless she pulls a KSON and blames fans for not sticking around for fleshposting.
>>93897071>blame managementFauna left because the company took a different direction that she couldn't keep up with anymore not because she blamed management retard. You just don't watch streams nor read the room.
>>93897089He will seethe from this day unto the last. His tears will flow as a great river and wash away his futile efforts. Impotent rage is his only comfort, bitterness his only meal.
>>93897111Yes. But it's like John Lennon leaving the beatles to focus on his solo career. Fans are obviously going to be upset with the guy that leaves.Also, she didn't say that when announced her graduation. She just said "disagreements with management".
>>93897071>didn't went didn't she?Anyway, what's bad about exposing shitty workplace? Well besides making holodrones and their shitflinging at others look hypocritical and moronic? Exposing bad managers usually makes cover people fess up and do better.
>>93897332And Shondo is Yoko Ono.
>>93897332No one was upset when John left kid
>>93897111Yes, but she didn't say it outright. If she said "money issues" or something similar, maybe would've been better.
>>93897187That was Aqua's motive you fucking mongoloid. Fauna explicitly said it was because she disagreed with management.
>>93897332>comparing some D-tier ethots pandering for gibs to multigenerational cultural legendsI have no words, you corpofags are something else
>>93897503You can't just blame all your problems on "corpos" anon.
>>93895188>I honestly feel sorry for them.With how much she's being blatant about it and saplings still defending her? I don't.
>>93897373exactly
>>93897373I could hear her screeching like a monkey and call it singing
>>93897492Well Fauna worded it poorly, but it's the exact same reasoning on the surface. You're going to be surprised if that's another hypothetical reason for graduation soon.
>>93897607Do you care about the talents? Yes or no. I don't know how bad the education system is in your country but clearly they didn't teach you object permanence
>>93897743Denial is not helping your cause.
>>93897835I care about entertainment, not women themselves. Women are fickle and spiteful creatures, as bad as the unicorns and dramafags they clash with.
All green text. Thanks for making it super obvious who posted this
>>93895188>but because she wants more moneyThe only two reasonable reasons to leave your job are if it's affecting your mental health or if you're going to make more money, she's 100% right
>>93897908At least you admit that the other side is flawed.
>>93897743>Gives a perspective as to why she's been catching so much hate in comparison to Sana who's graduation phase went smoother and was widely accepted>muh goalpostsHoly shit you're pathetic.
>>93897332>>93897503John was a nigger, also fuck yoko
>>93898024I'm not a unicorn or even a sapling, but I am highly skeptical of a highly liberalized vegan woman being able to keep a lid on her obvious mental retardation outside of a highly controlled environment. If that happens, she won't be entertaining anymore. Unicorns will also extrapolate their own perceived "wounds" regardless.
>>93895188>cuck fantasiesTake it to /trash/
>>93897835object permanece is not taught you fucking retard, its just a physiological trait
>>93898159That's why I begrudgingly respect you. If one side is at fault, so is the other.
>>93897743She didn't "get attacked". She just got fed up with literal retards taking her muh back hurts cover at face value and she told them off.
>>93897835>teach you object permanencelmao
>>93896212>>93896471You guys are fucking joking right? Sana was shat on by shitposters for "being lazy" and dooby had a lot of similar seethe threads because she vahuely complained about Hololive in her debut.
The fact that she got an ex-homo to be part of her redebut is really what gets me, out of literally everyone else she could have gotten she got someone like him who is a literal nobody now. Really just feels like she did it to spite unicorns, basically saying "yeah the girls are actually all in contact with the homos and i'm only now allowed to get away with being open about it." Actual fucking whore behavior, hope sapcucks are happy I guess
>>93898038>was smoother and widely accepted when people still give her shit to this daySure. Consider this instead: there is more hate this time around because the board as a whole has been getting steadily shittier.
>>93898159You are wise to be skeptical in this way. I for one will watch until such an event occurs
>>93898233I'm also critical of totally ripping your character wholesale from the company traits; for Dokibird, she literally got screwed out of everything that she had built, but Naplings is just...well....
>>93895188 Maybe, maybe. Kronii is still a disgusting bitch that is easier to hate.
>>93898385Sad that in doki's case it was a straight downgrade
>>93898326>she vahuely complained about Hololive in her debut.That didn't happen. And like others said, most of that stopped once she said she was graduating, people don't like it when girls stop streaming for weeks or months at a time without explicitly saying they're on a health break or schooling.
>>93897010>flirting>doing a projectDo you not see how ridiculous you sound if you're actually serious? cuckoldry is the first you think of when you see women talking to artists for commissions. I'm sure she'll miss this type of audience.
>>93898427> Kronii is still a disgusting bitch that is easier to hate.Do you guys even like vtubers?
>>93898326Sana rightfully was attacked for wasting a spot, being a nepohire, and applying with a half-assed attitude.
>>93895188>leaves Hololive not because she has a disagreement with management, but because she wants more moneyPerfect, job hopping is the best way to advance your career and ANYONE who is actually in the job market living in the real world knows that. Stayed in a company for 3 years, they preferred hiring people from outside over me, even though my metrics were in the top quartile of the department, lots of empty platitudes and broken promises. Know how I got a better salary? I found myself another job. Good on Fauna for doing the same. But how could a NEET leeching off their parents know jack about it, right?
>>93896232It's really how much lack of self awareness this board has
>>93898575 Yes the ones that are not horrible people.
>>93898573please don't reply to me sapcucks. I'm a changed person now
>>93895188Fauna turned out to be an egoistic self-centered grifter.Anyone supporting her doesn't understand Hololive.Women can't comprehend being part of something greater than themselves.Especially spoiled american girls.Never trust a vegan.>inb4 Faunaschizo, brownfeet, etcAll of these girls are self-made and have gone from 500 views to 5000-30000 just by being part of a cgdct group. Anyone surfing on this wave and dropping to go indie next is a stain on history.Only Aqua can be pardonned.Even Ayame or "one Valo stream a month" Robocco have more integrity and self-respect than Ceres "not your friend" Fauna.She won't be missed.Now if only clippers could drop the act so we can stop being inflicted this apostasy on Youtube recommendations...
>>93897111It is. Nothing wrong with Nimi prioritizing money over everything else.This isn't some about-face either. She spent a pittance during her time at Hololive compared to almost every other member. Anyone who deluded themselves into thinking otherwise is an idiot.It's the girls who dip into their wedding fund to go to Japan to play idol are the weird, idealistic ones.
>>93896112>>93896212>Sana was only made fun of her back but other than that, nothing. >Ameredebut was welcomed warmly and her graduation was so peaceful that no one made a fuss about her graduation and no one attacked Cover for it>Melvery peaceful despite being a termination, and she admitted it was her fault, no one tried to attack Cover or the other talents even though it is a termination.>Sakunaeveryone was sad about it and no one blamed her for her decision. There was some heat with the management but she cleared it and just wanted a peaceful graduation>Chloeannouncement was peaceful, with some speculations here and there about management but just that>Faunanot only she was openly blaming and attacking the management, she also showed no sign of clearing anything during the time other members got attacked for giving their takes and opinions. She also did not try to de-escalate the problem nor tried to calm her fans when everyone, including her genmates, was being bashed and attacked by her so called fans. She left it like this until her graduation, most probably to gain pity from her fanbase.
>>93896112Holodrones and Nijisisters are cut from the same cloth. You're either with them (part of the brand) or against them. There's no inbetween.
>>93898633You can't equate Vtubing, especially idol singer Vtubing to a conventional career. Unless your goal is to play more vidya and do less work, Hololive is already like getting a 6-fig investment banking job that works from home. You might have to go to the home office for a few weeks a year to deal a deal on a project, but you're essentially making 95th percentile income off a WFH job. To quit is either saying you can't do the job, or you don't want to make any sort of sacrifice outside of the day to day.Then because it's already the zenith, you're not suddenly joining a new job that'll pay you 25% more for your experience, it's more like you're taking your contacts and clients and making your own firm - but obviously, that requires being competent enough to run your own business.
>>93895188She's finally happy, and true saplings will be happy for her because of it. Nothing to feel sorry for.The only people who you should feel sorry for are the Holodrones who are losing their minds over the fact that the site is hemmorhaging talent. Including yourself.
>>93897171>choosing to cut all ties instead of soft graduating as an affiliate is going to raise questions no matter whatAffiliate is a copout strategy to milk more money from the audience, it's definitely worse and way more exploitative. I'm surprised people didn't shit on Ame's affiliate deal, you're literally griefing your audience giving them false hope that you'll return some day while still making bank from them. I hope you're a teamate, because I don't know why else anyone would want that kind of suffering instead of getting closure.
Does she really go on vacation with Randon? Wtf
>>93898846>no one tried to attack Cover or the other talents even though it is a termination.Yeah, because they were busy attacking Nijisanji over a literal shitpost from here
>>93895188This was known since 2021, so what's the point?
>>93898159>If that happens, she won't be entertaining anymore.You're actually retarded. That would be even more entertaining.
>>93895188 People have been exploited for personal gain since the beginning of mankind so just let it be. She's gone now and there are people who are happy with this arrangement.
>>93899040Busy for other shitposting or not, does not change the fact that no one tried to attack her and Cover for the termination. Both party even handled it pretty well that she was able to say goodbye to everyone and vice versa despite the termination.
>>93898993Why? The lifelimit of a typical vtuber is 3-5 years.
>>93898475>That didn't happen.Yes, it fucking did. There were just as many threads as about it.
>>93898743Most of your opinions on vtubers are from post from /here/
>>93896180that's a fucking great idea. Please let it be true
>>93895188don't care, she's gonna collab with Caspurr now
>>93899149Sorry, I'm not a dramafag. I'm a little too old to be fighting fanbase wars on the internet. Besides, isn't there enough real drama out there that you should be focused on stacking food and ammo instead?
>>93898785Anon... you are THE sapcuck.
>>93899245>There were just as many threads as about it.A fucking catalog skimmer. Go on, tell me where she complained about Hololive?
Define "attack on ex-holo talents". Cause the first things came up to my mind are Zaion or Selen fiasco
>>93896719I dropped fauna the second she did the "I'm not your friend" speech and haven't looked back. Whoever chose to trust her after that deserves the betrayal they're feeling now.
>>93897503>retard doesn't understand what an analogy is
>>93895188well the money WAS the disagreement. Its pretty obvious now. Why else would she be as prepared as this on debut? Money money money. She's a smart women, she prepared very well for this, she knows the hustle.
>>93899278>Sorry, I'm not a dramafag. I'm a little too old to be fighting fanbase wars on the internet.You are in a drama thread literally fighting and discussing drama, you fucking retard. Have some self awareness.
>>93899361no vtuber is your friend anon, you don't know them and they don't know you, you cannot be friends
>>93895594CC is exactly the same, you can hear it in her fake cutesy voice.
>>93899337>A fucking catalog skimmerWhere do you think you are? I don't remember it all, but she was vaguely referencing having to deal with shitty middle management and how she had to do everything herself.
>>93895188Unlike fagni fauna deserved the raise she alone carried holoen before advent was released.
>>93899464 (me)and I'm just gonna continue and say that that reason is ok. aint gonna hate the hustle. What I do dislike is that when the reason she gave caused the rest of the talents to get fire, she didn't do a thing, she didn't even tell saplings to not bother the other talents, that her reasons are hers and hers alone.Didn't say a thing. That lost me some respect for her.
>>93896112Never happening, Holobronies and Nijisisters oshi the corpo, not the Talent
>>93899562vtubing relies on illusions, yes but there's no need for the talent to spell that out and/or break it
>>93899629>that her reasons are hers and hers alone.How the fuck would she know that? You're not making sense. The only reason people were concerned is because of the back to back graduations, and the ones who didn't have any problems with management reassured their audience. What was the problem there?
>>93899233based on what data?
>>93899831You need to learn to mind you fucking business you retard brownnoser
>>93899629Only ESL faggots world think this. She had disagreements with management, she didn't say that all managers are bad, nor was she speaking about others.
>>93899809they do need to spell it out for the room temperature iq retards here that think the anime girl on the screen is their girlfriend
>>93899562Fubuki is
>>93899938kek so assmad that your narrative is failing
>>93895594I trust fuwamoco. I think Mococo will never let Fuwawa slip from her idealized vision of being idol.
>>93899994no, she didn't, her fans though translated that to 'the other talents are lying for management' though, and they shit on them for it, shit on the other talents' fans too Very visible on comments and twitter, no way she didn't see it, she isn't dumb.
>>93899467Calm down, sport. It's just anime girls.
>>93898846>redebut was welcomed warmlyIt's astonishing how shamelessly HDF try to memoryhole shit that happened just a few months ago
>>93895188hi im a first time vtube schitzo so not in the know, can u elaborate what kronii has to do with it? like why would she dislike her?
>>93899618That was her shitty ugly little mascot character who gave her his job driving the train, not her. It's total projection to say that she herself is complaining about it. Damn, you really did just skim a few threads about it.
>>93898328Going to an ex-homo or male vtuber for artwork isn't that big a deal. What's odd is why she go to Magni specifically for her lore video, he's not that great of an artist compared to tons of others.The only real thing that's weird is her already having merch ready on debut, mainly because I dont think even Dokibird had merch ready when the termination announcement dropped or when she redebuted. Someone remind me, because I know it wasn't that long after.
>>93900337Numberfags spamming about her numbers or how "she's done" are not included to definition of people attacking her. That's just shitposters having a blast
>>93898846>not only she was openly blaming and attacking the management, she also showed no sign of clearing anything during the time other members got attacked for giving their takes and opinions. She also did not try to de-escalate the problem nor tried to calm her fans when everyone, including her genmates, was being bashed and attacked by her so called fans. She left it like this until her graduation, most probably to gain pity from her fanbase.this is what everyone refuses to accept, she purposefully drummed up drama for the extra attention and left all her so called friends to pick up the pieces
>>93900318That's even worse, you're in a drama thread about anime girls.
>>93895188She’s not under cover management anymore, and now she’s surrounded by grifters who hated management
>>93899278>I'm not a dramafag>while being a dramafagWDHMBT?
>>93900571Great headcanon. Please don't forget to take your meds next time.
>>93900428WTF are you talking about?
>>93897111It absolutely is but in vtubing you're supposed to be selling a fantasy that this isn't just a "job" to you.
>>93895188>but because she wants more moneysource? and no, your dreamed up scenarios don't count
>>93900790feel free to disprove it
>>93900821From your screenjob I surmise Fauna is outright based and did everything right.
>>93896453she hasn't offered any clarification beyond that she disagreed with her employers and imo she probably never will (it would be the smartest thing to do). Retards here just see that she has planned her indie debut in advance to ensure her career hits the ground running and are calling her a grifting whore who only cares about money
>>93900264No. Other Holofans were worried that their oshi is facing the same problems so they were reassured by their oshis. There was no "shitting" on anyone.
>>93900804Watch debut streams.
>>93900900Your court ordered psychiatrist is doing that, for a pay.
>>93900571Her fans are also hated right now on d*scord servers because of what her official server did.
>>93900571Even Kiara was caught in the crossfire because I guess she should've told her plane ride to land midway so she could tell Fauna goodbye
>>93895188I would do the same if that means prunning retards like you from their fans.
>>93900264>no, she didn'tWTF do you mean? ESL retard. What are you even referring to?
>>93895594>she’s made me distrust anyone I currently trustIt's better to learn this lesson late than never at all.
>>93900910It's just plain old envy.>>93900996>ESL retardRich, coming from you.
>>93900973QRD?
>>93900954I did.
>>93901035Exactly. I now consider going through a graduation or two a rite of passage for a chuba fan.
>>93900856And yet you watch FWMC and it's clear as day that vtubing is just a job and numbers to them and even still they are widely successful.
>>93901070Then you should remember her ugly little fat green nigga who was in the intro. He was wearing the hat.
>>93901115FWMC is unwatchable precisely because they can't sell the fairytale. Too saccharine, too preplanned.
>>93900447>The only real thing that's weird is her already having merch ready on debutIs it? She didn't have graduation merch so she did her own merch instead. The only people upset about it are corpocucks because she didn't give cover more money. Prove me wrong.
>>93900943oh bullshit i saw saplings doing it with my own eyes. Actually membered saplings.>>93900996You are the actual ESL retard here dumbass, work on your sentence comprehension.
>>93900973Wait for real? proof?
>>93901115I don't.
>>93900986The same Kiara that wished her well and retweeted the debut on her RM? You retards are hilarious.
>>93901180Perhaps some people wanted a memento of her time as Fauna. A closure.
>>93901048ogey seething schizo, please explain to me what "no, she didn't" is a response to. >>93901192Same goes to you ESLfag. Answer my question.
>>93901210Bad wording on my part, used "you" with the intent of painting a picture not implying that you yourself is actively watching them. Point still stands, artificial and plastic to the utmost degree and still very very popular.
>>93901118And how is that relevant?
>>93901364Did you take your meds?
>>93901192>oh bullshit i saw saplings doing it with my own eyesI'm sure you have proof of this.
>>93901260lol you are so braindeadhis point was that Kiara caught flak from sapkeks for "ignoring fauna" when in reality she was on a plane at the time
>>93899784Who is your oshi? Post receipts
>>93901412He was speaking to the audience. Read nigga, read.
>>93901428Did you learn English yet?
>>93901049>very long tradition of Holo official servers upholding the no PL rule even after reincarnations>Aqua, Ame and other graduated talents' official server upholded it and created a new server for reincarnation>Fauna's server mods used the announcement and pinged everyone to let everyone know who's Fauna now, and that they'll be using the same server to rebrand for Nimi >other related servers heard about this (all holo servers maintain a good connections to each others)>all other related servers, including the official Hololive server, proceed to ban all the mods of Fauna's server>normal fans from Fauna's server also becomes a casualty and included in the banFunniest thing about this is even Ame's server who was notorious for being chaotic, full of containment breakers, and full of mods that are from 4chan handled it pretty well and had no problem with it.
>>93901209No proof because I don't spend my time on discord circles but I did hear that some sapling discord clout farmers are currently trying to muscle their way into prominence in the new nimi discord servers because they can't stand thinking that this migration could threaten their "standing" among the fanbase.
god i wish we could get poster counts again, cause theres so obviously a insane schizo here replying to every single poster, kek
>>93901517Teamates proving their superior autistic strength once again.
>>93901496Stop evading a direct question. Did you take your meds or not?
>>93898326Dooby lost like more than a half of her fanbase in Hololive. Most of the people hated her were for things she did in Holo.
>>93901468>his point was that Kiara caught flak from sapkeks for "ignoring fauna" when in reality she was on a plane at the timeShe did?
>>93901517ty for the spoonfeed anoni wasnt even aware there were official hololive discord servers
>>93901517holy fucking BASED. naplings cannot stop winning. looks like our superiority has led to some controversy.
>>93901629He means two or three schizo grey comments in her stream. A literal nothingburger.
>>93901517That's not what happened at all and it's a very weird thing to lie and seethe about. Fauna's discord server just made a new server for Nimi that prohibits any mention of Fauna or other activities. /uuu/fags and /#/fags were seething.
>>93901645There's only one real official server and that is the Hololive server, but they scan and maintain close connections to the fanservers, and they're ultimately also the one to get to choose which fanserver will stay, so, they're basically half official.
>>93901603Stop evading my question first. What is "no, she didn't" is a response to?
>>93901775That was AFTER they got shat on by the other servers. A simple backpedal.
>>93897111If your job already pays really well, leaving because you want more makes you look greedy. And when you literally ask for money on your first on the new job, it makes you look mega greedy.
>>93901517Cringe>>93901775Based
>>93901180You probably aren't wrong since there's bound to be Cover diehards upset, but I'm just coming from the perspective of "Isn't it a bit too soon when we don't even have the full avatar yet?" Especially since this merch may have been worked on for who knows how long. I'm not coming from the angle of the "GET YOUR CREDIT CARDS READY" catalog bait though, that's just taken out of context since there's not much merch made and she has no clue how quickly they'll sell out.
>>93900986Anon, don't you know that since at least 2001, planes allow you to phone from inside them ?? Kiara clearlyyy could have called like that woman from inside the plane did...
>>93901710so ashamed loldoesnt change the past no matter how much you regret it
>>93901831I don't give a fuck, as it has no relation to my initial comment whatsoever.Now answer if you took your prescribed meds or not.
>>93901895>initial commentand that is?
>>93901878Now try that without projecting your schizophrenia on others.>>93901928This one.>>93901048
>>93901305Do you think the same people didn't buy the new merch? >>93901854>Isn't it a bit too soon when we don't even have the full avatar yetIt's a plushy of the chibi design. Hololive has debut merch so I don't get the seethe. Cheebs had a plushy too you know.
>>93898326Sana deserved worse than she gotit's too bad the PL taboo wasn't broken sooner because her immediately dispelling the BACK HORT story and telling Holofans to fuck off would have been hilarious to see after how people spent months coddling and making excuses for her
>>93901840No, it wasn't. Nimi talk was banned and heavily moderated. I really don't know why you're lying about this.
>>93902055I'm sure many of them did buy new merch, but it would be a different chuba personality merch, no? Another era if you will.
>>93901988ogey
>>93902084I had great fun when she exploded at some especially delusional fans on her PL twitter. There must be a limit somewhere, and boy did she enforce it.
>>93902122Yes, but she already is not in good terms with management. And what would she even make that she already didn't?
>>93895188/vt/ niggers are mentally ill holy shit
>10k members first stream>get your credit cards out people>btw I lied about not wanting to do asmreh, was a bit put off. I'll watch when she plays something I like but not going to follow every week.
>>93902279Babby's first rrat?
>>93900571This is also why I don't feel sorry for saplings. This is pure karma
>>93902122Honestly, I am baffled that people are advocating for graduation merch which is ten times greedier than debut merch. You people are insane.
>>93896112People lives are so meaningless these days making their identity attached to a brand is how they try to feel relevant. Happening everywhere these days.
>>93902359Why would anyone feel sorry for the saplings? They got their chuba back in less than two weeks.
>>93902359>karmaWhat is?
>>93902371I've never bought any merch.
OH MY GOD A WOMAN PRETENDING TO BE AN ANIME GIRL ON THE INTERNET FOR MY MONEY LIED TO ME T_T
>>93902327>10k members first stream? Are you jealous? >get your credit cards out peopleTaken out of context. She only said that to the limited buyers because she didn't prepare shit for merch and she had 2-3 times the viewers everyone thought she'd get.>btw I lied about not wanting to do asmrThe last time she talked about ASMR she said that she'd do it when though she doesn't enjoy it as much anymore.
>>93902371Corpodrones man, they are the most disgusting species.
>>93895594To be honest, it's just a matter of doing reps. These girls didn't think much of their public image or unicorns when they started streaming as indies. So, if they have any skeletons, it's there on their PLs for everyone to see.
>>93896212As a Sanallite, fuck you. Holodrones harassed her even WHILE she was in Hololive.
>>93895992It's the fault of dramashitters that whished to have another Selen yab on their hands
>>93902763Harassed her how?
>>93902899That was just the tip of the iceberg.
>>93902954based
>>93899361>haven't looked back>still seething to this day
>>93900571>>93898846>the reason of my graduation is: disagreement with management>this gets interpreted as "an open attack" by this retard community that blows everything out of proportion and screams "black company" at the slightest slip>orca also cited management issues and this is enough to send people into a frenzy and pester other unrelated talents about itDramamonkeys themselves to blame. Shitposters here would do well to remember that their words can be interpreted by lesser minds as true.
>>93902954I chuckled.
>>93903001yeah I expected as much from a cancerous holodrone.
How have you motherfuckers hallucinated now that it was all about money and that there were no actual disagreements with management? Is the board suddenly filled with cover insiders leaking confidential information?
>>93903075Envy. A whole lot of envy.
>>93903075the cover shills got their script and they try to stick to it, even though their corpo is far more greedy than the ex holo they try to harass.
>>93903036What happened with the orca, by the way? I remember there was talk about her being thrown out, but she's still there?
>>93903075They're still trying to push the "she didn't want to do her idol reps" rrat eventhough it's been disproven like 4 times now.
>>93903075It's the same 5 retards posting is 5 different threads. Honestly pathetic how easy you can notice it.
>>93895188>>goes on vacation with Randon several times a yearwhere the fuck did this even come fromis there like actual proof or is OP just fdund posting?
>>93902954Let's fucking GOOOOOOO
>>93898846>Ameshe got off easy because she killed her unicorns long before leaving holo so schizos did no longer care about her.
>>93903390What do you think? Did the other points not tip you off?
>>93903075>debuts new personality with a shitload of merch, subs, endless shillingYou have to be pretty fucking lenient to pretend it's not greedy as hell
>>93902954Why are chats so pussy now?
>>93902954At least it was good knowing that Sana's dog was made up and she didn't really had one, same with back aches.
>>93903562>>debuts new personality with a shitload of merch,That's called being prepared and smart. She'll never have 90k ccv again, might as well capitalize on it. It was only 1000 plushies.I still think Fauna left because money and that's a normal adult decision about a job. Why do all the extra shit a Holo does if you can just game, yap and maybe join someone else's concert like Dooby and Mint do? And still make a shitload of money.
>>93900138I trust that they want to be financially successful as idols. They'll do everything they can to not jeopardize that. I trust that they'll never do anything to piss off unicorns, but I'll never be convinced they actually care about their audience.
>>93896112>fansThis is /vt/, people like in the OP aren't fans but dramawhores who only look to create rrats and shitpost if they even catch a whiff of a potential happening. That's why we have endless generals for individual chuubas, otherwise this board would just be nothing but twitter screencap threads like /v/.
>>93902763>As a SanalliteFalseflag btw.
>>93903861I can count the number of holos who I believe like their fanbase on one hand. And I'm probably still wrong.
>>93895188>leaves Hololive not because she has a disagreement with management, but because she wants more moneyThanks for starting out schizo enough for me to disregard the rest of your post.
>>93903977That is a disagreement.....
>>93903879You can literally see from the replies to my post that I speak nothing but the truth, yours is also just a desperate attempt to discredit anybody who doesn't agree with you.
I wasn't here. Did the bitch really lie about a dead dog and damaged spine?
>>93897373Fagni is Yoko Ono.
>>93903562You keep saying the same thing but you never address the arguments. You lost. >>93901180>>93901854>>93902055>>93902371>>93902575
Honestly, what other kind of "disagreement" could it have been if Fauna was willing to do idol stuff? The only answer left is money, and we just saw how greedy Fauna is.
>>93904070That's a /vt/ shitposter, fag.
>>93901779>but they scan and maintain close connections to the fanserversThat explains some thing, like how I got banned during one argument where I said "I dont give a shit about anything else other than the girls, cover itself can go up in flames for all I care" in my oshi's fancord during the sakuna-ame-chloe-fauna streak
>>93904219Or, it's perms like she said in her debut. But of course you didn't watch it.
>>93904223and a Holodrone.
>>93904245Ban screenshot?
>>93904217That was my first post in the thread, schizo-kun. And all your supposed deflections are easily answered by the fact a new debut should be humble and tentative, like all the others have been, instead of being greedy and cocky enough to have debut merch and milk people for money. It's unseemly.
>>93903390Their "breaks" have lined up several times now, sometimes right down to the hour.
>>93904308Oh, I thought it was on 4chan. Mb. I don't care about Discord servers.
>>93895594Millie parfait literally begged for money in her debut song before we even got to see her actual model for the first time.
>>93904392meanwhile all holodebuts come with debut merch, really makes you think
>>93904287Yeah, sure. Because Fauna wasn't already playing a million things and not making progress in any. Lack of more perms for more projects is surely the real problem and not at all a convenient excuse.
>>93904451IT'S OKAY WHEN CORPORATIONS MAKE MONEY
>>93904300FYI, there are always raiders in this board. From /v/ and /a/, both boards hate vtubers, they don't care.
Where's her merch?
>>93896112Yeah it's definitely the fans attacking her and not all the jealous competitors.
>>93904404Post proof or fuck off.
>>93904553Sorry but I don't care for your excuses, I know the people who were behind that harassment and they're still worshiping a brand and numbers.
>Nimi merch sells out in minutes, Cover doesn't get a cut:(>Biboo merch sells out in minutes, Cover gets a cut:)
>>93895188>he wouldn't leave his job for one that pays better, is less work, has more long term security and creative freedom Why do you expect people to be as retarded as you?
>>93904456>Because Fauna wasn't already playing a million things and not making progress in anyYou have never watched her. All she did was complain about perms and managers.
>>93904392>like all the others have beenHolols have debut merch. You didn't even read those posts.
>>93905172>>93904451>Too dumb to understand the hubris of some shitty indie having merch versus a corpo having merch
>>93904795disingenous post to feed your anti-corpo stance
>>93905355>merch, corpo> :D>merch, indie>:(
>>93905355how big is that cock in your mouth?
>>93905355What about it is hubris when she sold a shit ton?Don't use random words you don't really understand.
>>93905355>>93905448Seething hard
>>93895668I'm sorry you're such of a cuck
>>93905355That merch is quite literally higher quality than the usual Holo merch.
>>93904795>>93905451>corpo makes vtuber shill merch on debut>rightfully call them greedy for not waiting>vtuber decides to shill merch on debut herself>"why are you calling her greedy? you're clearly just mad cover isn't getting a cut now lmao"
>>93904760For month on the internet, kid?
>>93905355
>>93905355>some shitty indieand the mask slips. Maybe next time they'll accept your application, sis.
>>93905812>ForFirst*
>>93905725I've never seen someone get mad about debut merch, at worst a couple jokes.
>>93904219>Honestly, what other kind of "disagreement" could it have been if Fauna was willing to do idol stuff?Fauna not wanting to spend months in Japan away from everything she loves? It's not complicated and Hololive is wanting to have more paywall concerts some of which are mandatory. The entire work visa "mistake" with Ina shows that Cover can really mess with their talents because these recordings are required by their contract so it also gives them more leverage.
Wait, you mean she didn't like making that fucking tree? I wish she burned it down in the last stream.
>>93898827 (me)In one word : loyalty.This is the thing that lacks most in american culture. They're so perched on their liberty free individual entrepreneurship horse that they only see me profit me career me merch me indie me me.The japanese are really good at loyalty and this is what makes their culture better than (you)rs, burgers.>inb4 corpo bootlickerLoyalty doesn't have to be towards your employer, it can be to your group of coworkers, your friends, and your fanbase. If you only pretend to be friends for as long as you need to to make more money, you're just using them for your ambitions. Same if you're GFE-friendly for only as long as you need to.Why is Mori still there despite being thrown at a ton of shit ? Because she's a conservative (being texan helps). Consequently she's a (bit too much of a) saviorfag and won't leave. Hence why every departure hurts her.Why does Fauna vaguely justifies bailling out after two major events (concerts) ? Because she feels she can make more as an indie (?).Cover should look more into how a talent understands they shouldn't make U-turns on their fanbase or join just to gain free views, but wants to integrate. That's at least one thing FWMC understand.
>>93896112There's literally no reason to leave Hololive, it's top of the mountain. It's literally becoming the Pope, and the only pope in living memory that resigned (graduated) was the one that was directly responsible for child abuse. It's the final step in a career, there's no further position to go to. The only reasons to leave are ones which will piss people off.1. Greed2. Boyfriend3. Husband4. Pregnancy5. Laziness6. Hating your fansHololive has everything they need for a career that provides for them. It's stupid to give it up for a pair of sex pests.
>>93896112Lol, maybe don't make up bullshit reasons why they left just to bait their fans.
>>93907090>Fauna not wanting to spend months in Japan away from everything she loves?She don't want to stay in Japan without weed. Just like Vesper. Of course they bonded over being potheads.
>>93907422This has to be a falseflag post, right?
>>93899464>>93899629>>93898827>>93907252Why have done this twice in the same thread as if people won't notice?
>>93907770No? It's the reality. Hololive is the top, there's no company after it (in this exact field in particular) to go to. There's no reason to leave unless you're personally problematic. Fauna was problematic. Why do you think Kronii didn't leave at her lowest point? The failed voice actress. There is no next step for her, this is the highest she can get. Now Kronii is here, Fauna isn't. Maybe she shouldn't have been such a bitch.
>>93907889kek
>>93895188>not because she has a disagreement with management, but because she wants more money,THAT IS LITERALLY A MANAGEMENT DISAGREEMENT YOU FUCKING NEET MONGOLOID GET OUT OF THE BASEMENT
>>93905614>such of a cuckHoly ESL
>>93908120Not everybody views life as a relentless competition for money and "success".
>>93900045if you think those people exist in significant numbers you might actually be the retard
>>93908120If you're going to keep hating on Fauna then I'm going to keep saying Mumei is autistic.
>>93901177yeah idk how anyone can watch them
>>93908299Are you serious?
>>93905655lol no its notit's a fucking made in china plushie but x3 upcharged because the person selling it doesnt have wholesale pricing, plushies are usually 25-30 bucksyou're a fucking retard who really buys the illusion of """""small shopping = better""""" on an online storefront that usually sells cheap t-shirts, this isnt some local woodcrafter whose been honing their craft for 50 years
>>93908200nobody with an actual job would call that "disagreement with management" they would call that a salary dispute or whatever just because you can technically see it as falling under the umbrella of "disagreement with management" doesn't mean it isn't a carefully chosen phrase for this warped industry/japanese company
>>93905655>That merch is quite literally higher quality than the usual Holo merch. ? I don't think it is, and if it would be it doesn't justify that much of a price increase
>>93905924Show me at least two Nimi Nightmare streams so I can judge how good of an entertainer she is. Go on, she has to have more than one stream if she went all in on getting merch made.
It was really inconsiderate of Fauna not to do graduation merch and do her own merch instead. Did she even stop to think about how much Yagoo, the shareholders, and Cover's over 500 employees need that money?!? Now the Holoearth devs are going to starve and it's all her fault.
>>93895188what she do
>>93895594I didn't realize the graduating before gura thing until you told me holy fuck
>>93908799she wanted to get paid,management didn't want to pay herThat's a disagreement with management. Enjoy your boot soup.
>>93895188What she did is not wrong….it’s simple to want more money, it’s a job after all.I’m just disappointed…that’s it
>>93908799Yes it is, STOP LARPING AS AN ADULT and get an actual skilled wagie job.You negotiate remuneration with management every year, and if you don't agree you can walk off and find another job. his is how most skilled professionals in developed countries get a salary raise nowadays because they hop jobs every 3 years or so.
>H-HOW?! HOW DARE YOUUUUU!!!! HOW DARE YOU WANT MORE... M-M-M-MOOOONEEEEEEEEEYYYYYYYYYYYYYYY????!!! AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHHHHHHHH!!!!Friendly reminder guys, corpos are not your friends and is statistically proven that people who job-hop make more money and people who are loyal to their compano tend to make less money than the average base-salary for that position in the long run.
>>93908964Cover is hiring a 100 employees a year didn't Fauna understand that she needed to spend months in Japan recording paywall concerts to help increase revenue. How dare she betray her corporation like that when they need at least 200 more employees to work on HoloEarth.
>>93909992>enter a business based purely on getting money off pretend friends>get mad when those friends get upset you are a shitty personWooooooooow
>nooooooo Nimi, you can't just join a phase/mint concert. My idol rrat!!FuckJapan
>NaplingsHoly fucking based. She knows exactly what she's doing. Has there ever been an easier transition into indie? Saplings had all of two weeks to be upset.
>>93910946Chad move. Meanwhile Dooby rejects Steamates.
>>93911069Surprisingly, Watson respected her workplace more than Fauna.
>>93911069Dooby isn't shameless and actually have a thing going on for her and not just le Ame
>>93911340>>93911356lol Dooby is still an affiliate retard.
>>93911069Dooby wanted to not just be "hololive persona but not hololive"fauna has no talent nor is she creative
>>93911340And is still contractually tied to that workplace. Free money after all.
>>93911543Did any of them get 10k members first stream?
>>93909992That person asking 50k people for money isn't your friend either.Quite literally, in this particular case.
>>93911644Never donatedNever bought merchNever membershippedThat's for you simps.
>>93908417Are you?
>>93907422/threadalso you have to never have worked a job in your life to think the working conditions at hololive are badthese girls can choose to stream as much or as little as theyd like and then occasionally have to meet with their managers or answer texts or whatever while getting paid a top .5% salaryfinance slaves at goldman sachs working 4x the hours for 1/4 the pay as the average hololiverpeople on this board are so delusional its insane
>>93908925Yes, it is. I did
>>93908937Why are you still pretending that she's not a continuation of Fauna?
>>93911929>holos are all gazillionaires!lol this shit again.
>>93904451Did any of them have debut merch before model being done?Did any of them shill merch first thing after lore and introduction before talking about any of their activities?
>>93911929> top 0.5% salarythey can't even afford housing, being a holo idol is a peasant tier job
>>93911973Because she is not? Fauna as holo members have all things Nimi don't have as Vtuber. Can Nimi collabed with holoEN members? Can she participate in holo events? No? It would be different if she was Suisei who own her IP and model.
>>93912307>can't afford housingSome of them do buy/build house. I think many choose not to own house simply because it is more convenient atm
>>93904287Just like “want to be on stage”, right? She said it at the end
