How do the hardworking JP talents feel about Gura being the most subscribed Hololive member? They'd never say anything directly due to how their culture is, but they do make passive-aggressive comments like this every now and then...I wonder how things will change if/when Marine becomes the most subscribed member
You'd be surprised at how little this kind of thing matters. Everyone is usually more focused on their own work, and generally speaking, one person's success is perceived as everyone's success - especially online. It's a boon for the whole "network" she's a part of.But I could be totally wrong, I'm just guessing.t. I've worked in entertainment and with performers/artists under contract (not vtubing).
>>99225875You're obviously going for the nationalist angle but pretending you're going for the hard-work angle. EN members are passive-aggressive about Gura's success. Marine is often called lazy in similar ways to Gura. What you're pretending to ask is "does every member hate all the members with more subs to them who they perceive as working less hard than them?" And obviously it depends. A huge numberfag like Koyori has obviously had resentment issues but you'd have to assume she's worked through them by now.
80-20 rule for what Japanese people think about foreigners is "gaijin are retarded"
>>99225875>I wonder how things will change if/when Marine becomes the most subscribed memberWe will get some celebration and content about Marine being the top/face of Hololive, that we never got with Gura because 1. she's a foreigner and 2. she doesn't stream
>>99225875They don't think about her at all. Nobody even remembers that she's supposed to be the "number 1" and just consider Marine that.
>>99225875This kind of thing is actually the best proof that Gura is not sick and just refuses to stream. They would know if she were very ill and couldn't stream, but they don't feel guilty making jokes.
>>99225875>SUBS SUBS SUBSfucking retarded thing to put weight on.subs don't matter, how many of guras subs are dead? and I don't mean people dying, I mean inactive accounts.here are the numbers that matter. how many views does the vod get?gura streams infrequently so we have to compare her vods with some comparatively older vods by koyori.we can see on her page that gura with 4.55M subs get 300k to 400k views on a vod after a month or two.meanwhile koyori with 1.27M is getting between 100k to 300k views on her 1-2 month old vods.since koyori is putting out regular streams it can be assume some fans don't watch every one.meanwhile gura may stream once or twice a month, being so starved for content we can assume most of her viewers will watch every one of those.so despite having over 3 times the subs, gura doesn't have 3 times the viewers of what koyori has.koyori has about 100k viewers that watch almost every stream/vod within 1-2 months of release and about 300k peak in the same timeframe.gura has only 400k peak within 1-2 months. and since she doesn't stream very often we don't know how many "serious" viewers she has.so we're comparing 300k to 400k. rather than 1.2millon and 4.5 million.another number worth looking at is SUPER chats.but we still have to compare the numbers fairly. you can't take the supers from guras last stream and compare to supers from koyori.you must compare how much was superchatted over the course of a month for both channels and compare.obviously if you want a more accurate picture you need to look at more than 1 month period.if you gotta be a numberfag at least give your attention to numbers that actually matter.
>>99232526Koyori clearly cares about the subs though
>>99232526Cover puts weight on subs.The entire reason why Marine doesn't stream anymore is because she gets the most subs when she only posts shorts.
>>99232761>Koyori clearly cares about the subs thoughbecause she is a stupid woman like OP>Cover puts weight on subs.if you didn't realize yet that cover is retarded, then you will never know.
>>99225875It's fine
>>99233966>cover is retardedSubs result in big sponsors. Gura declining all work doesn't mean it's not being offered.
>>99225875Nothing will change, because Marine's lazy as fuck right now. She's only got those kumarin shorts going for her, those somehow pull in 15-20m views every time. Other than that, she's doing nothing but shilling chiropractors, airline food and cheap-ass rum...she's cashing out, anon. I got money riding on her making some kinda big announcement right after Shion finally gets out.The top dogs tunring into lethargic golddiggers kinda puts Cover and all the other holos in a weird position, though. You'd expect the top talents to set an example or something. Then again, we're talking about glorified e-geishas here.
>>99238140>You'd expect the top talents to set an exampleThey are lol
>>99238317You got me there, yeah...a GOOD example, as in working hard, putting out banger songs, appreciating your fans, coworkers (genmates), that sorta thing...not selling out to whatever inane sponsor forks over the most dough (life insurance/slapchop/riding lawn mowers when?), or turning into a schizoid menhera when it comes to interacting with your fans.
>>99225875Gura is a brand
>>99225875>I wonder how things will change if/when Marine, who just like Gura doesn't stream and is busy with Ao, becomes the most subscribed memberYeah I wonder
>>99232526The only metrics that matter are adsense, sponsors, and merch; all of which are not public knowledge. ccv and supas are only held as the gold standard of numbers because we can see them. Another metric to take into account is mindshare, in which Gura absolutely mogs everyone in EN and possibly in the other branches sans Suisei, and maybe Miko and Marine. Of course we can't properly assess this without polls but more than a few have been conducted already.
>>99246801Here's another recent poll. Even viewers who casually watch vtubers know who Gura is because of how iconic she is.
>>99226377I dont know what sector you work in but I work with voice actors and singers for videogames and they are incredibly backstabbing ladder climbers ho would excitedly destroy someone's life if it meant a role they wantedand knowing about people like Elira and Rushia I doubt most of vtubing is much different
>>99246801Gura absolutely mogs all of JP. She's way more popular than any other vtuber even in Japan.
>>99247248>en pollThe western vtuber fanbase is mostly irrelevant
>>99248074Western vtuber fanbase is what drives the entire industry
>>99246801damn vivi's full name is an absolute kanji clusterfuck
>>99247248>Poll>Online quiz that very clearly oversamples western women/nijinigsThe idea that Quinn Benet, who isnt even a vtuber anymore is more recognizable as a vtuber than Salome is hilarious
>>99246801>One singular Ruffian who said "Fuck you, I wont choose"based
>>99247644nta, but 100% agree on VAs, at least in the EN scene, idk about others since i'm EOP. Are singers also the same?
>>99248074She's popular over there too.>>99248420Salome hasn't been relevant in years. Quinn is one of the niji escapees so he has a little more recognizability. But yes. This was a test conducted by twitch streamers for their audiences to see how many chuubas they could recognize, and that test was later conducted here in some threads.
>>99232526>subs don't matterThen why aren't cover slapping ccv and supas on these ads here: >>99248848
>>99248848Do you think random people put that ad up?
>>99248982What do you mean?
>>99232526>subs don't matter, how many of guras subs are dead?That's literally every single streamer in existence, retard. Take Cookie for example, the Vtuber that people /here/ push as the biggest on the planet. She has over 21m subs and can't even break 100k views on most of her videos. That is the same for any big name, Vtuber or not.
>>99249046You posted an image of an ad with Gura and said "She's popular over there too.". How does this image indicate that she's popular?
>>99249176You don't get a big ad over Shibuya Station, one of the busiest stations in all of Japan, if you aren't popular with the locals.
>>99249261So are you claiming that the locals are the ones who paid for that ad?
>>99249360The locals in Cover Corp yes.
>>99249411So you're claiming that Gura is the most popular hololive member in Japan according to Cover.
>>99225875>Gurawho?
>>99249496Popular can be interpreted in a variety of ways. At the very least Same-chan is one of the most recognizable ones in Japan. Unless you have a recent nip-only survey that says otherwise.
>>99249654How about you come up with a survey that says that first.
>>99248114>Western vtuber fanbase is what drives the entire industrylolLMAO
>>99249782>no uIf you're not going to contribute to this discussion then don't bother replying next time.
>>99250002All you've done is post a fucking ad as "proof" that Gura is popular in Japan.
>>99225875reminds me of pekora's gura impression, "ooh I'm gura I'm so negative". I don't think she ever had a very good image behind the scenes. could be why she stopped caring about streaming
>>99227352Funny, many people think the Japanese are retarded.
>>99250059Ask yourself why Cover would choose Gura of all chuubas to be put on the Shibuya Station billboard which is an advertising gold mine if you didn't know. Also wonder why Gura was one of the two EN Tokyo Tourism ambassadors before she dropped out due to laziness/graduation/pregnancy/[cope here]. Japs get their dicks hard over baseball more than Americans do, so ask yourself why Gura was chosen to be Hololive's representative during that Dodger's game, which a lot of Japs were watching by the way, alongside Suisei and Peko; two of the most popular JPs. Oh its because she was blue? Then why not swap her out with, say, Kronii or Kobo who are also popular in their own right? It's because neither of them are as popular with Japs as Gura is.So I don't need a survey to conclude that Gura is popular in Japan, but you do to prove that she isn't.
>>99250550This is what you claimed>Gura absolutely mogs everyone in EN and possibly in the other branches sans Suisei, and maybe Miko and Marine.Gura being in an ad doesn't prove this at all. Without a survey you're just talking out of your ass.
>>99250793Where there's smoke there's a fire.
>>99250391>"ooh I'm gura I'm so negative"post the clip of this exact quote.
>>99251247find it yourself newfag
>>99250391Pekora's always been a major bitch behind the scenes, and that sometimes bleeds into streams so I'm not surprised. Even back during her "shy guy" days this has been evident. There's a reason why Miko and Moona have stopped interacting with her and why Kiara has stopped pursuing her. If she wasn't a numbers giant no one would give her the time of day.
>>99250910Gura being in an ad is not proof of anything.
>>99251360So it didn't happen. Good to know.
>>99251535>autistic femcel neet was a bitch all alongwao!
