>>99274446
cats like having other cats around

>>99274446
>cat
Yeah of course

>>99274446
she isn’t exactly hurting for time off

>>99274446
It was an accident and abortion was not an option.

not everything vtubers tell you is the truth

cat is code for girlfriend

>>99275750
And dog is code for boyfriend

>>99274446
"cat"

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>>99274446
We had first cat, yes, but what about second cat?

Biboo has 1 cat. Gura has 2 cats. 2 > 1. Gura wins again!

>>99274446
she's transforming into a crazy cat lady

>>99274446
>cat
Anon…

>>99275990
Actually they are kittens, few weeks old and it's true, unless you think Gura spent the whole stream making noises with a cardboard box to convince chat

>>99277106
Just you wait chumbud, Biboo will get a second cat and she will name it "Lord Archibalde III"!

>>99274446
cat lady

>>99274446
I understand what those fish tweets were about now

She's one more cat away from being a truly lost cause. They will eat her decrepit body. Cats are like that

>>99274446
our second kid was born. came back to stream for more money.

>>99274645
Ok back to reality instead of whatever you're masturbating to
>chicken flies into yard
>dog eats it
>"That's just the food chain"
>Neighbor gets told that he needs to pen in his birds
Do you think people have an obligation to chain their dogs up in their own yards because you can't contain your pest-status pets?

Should people tie their cats to posts so rabbits can squeeze under the fence and run free?

Should farmers never shoot trespassing dogs and gently persuade them to stay away from the sheep?

Only in the clown world that veganism/leftism demands, but not in the real world.

Your pet does not have a right to enter someone elses property
Their pet is never at fault for killing it and neither are they.
Ever.
It doesn't happen.
The purpose of cats and dogs is to protect their family and territory from other animals. That is the only reason they exist. Whether they are good at it or not.

Classic snap traps inside my house + house cat is all I need for mouse control (and they come in random waves like tower defense, nothing for months and then last week 4 of em, 3 cat kills and one trap kill). I don't care if there are mice outside of my house, but the neighborhood outdoor cats make steady work of knocking back the mouse population in our overgrown backyards. In my very rural property I see mice constantly when outside, and the house is sealed up to prevent their entry, so I just let them be.

>>99276056
you should have put the beast down the first time they attacked a child.

it never, ever matters if it's just a cat, just a chihuahua, etc, the bacteria in animal bites and the bacteria living around cat claws are fucking horrible if you do not have a full fledged adult immune system, and cats have the most horrible bacteria of them all because of their bathroom habits and tendency to hunt more opportunistically than the average dog (other than certain primitive and working breeds allowed freedom on large properties). each time your child was attacked, they could have easily died from a subsequent infection. serious weakness to animal bite bacteria can persist until early adolescence, and comes back during the decline of old age. you should count yourself lucky, since either your child has great immunity genes or your cat was impeccably clean that moment.

that cat is no longer safe for anyone. no exceptions. you have no control over how it will be adopted out, by the second, or third, person, and whether or not their house may contain a child that agitates the cat again, and no way to guarantee its behavior will not escalate to attacking adults over their phones ringing or something else stupid. animals that attack people for no good reason - no self defense, no defense of property against real threats, etc - must be euthanized.

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>>99277573
Toxoplasmosis infection doubles schizophrenia risk.
>and at worst itl cause very slight retardation (if the fetuis is like 1 month old)
Toxoplasmosis can cause fetal death at every stage of pregnancy and lifelong deformity
https://www.merckmanuals.com/professional/pediatrics/infections-in-neonates/congenital-toxoplasmosis
>...or you could just not have a litterbox and let it shit outside in some random field like god intended
That just transfers the disease risk from just you to your entire community.
>This is what dogs do
Dogs are significantly more intelligent than cats and can be trained to shit and piss exclusively outdoors.

Toxoplasmosis results in at least 750 lost human lives each year
https://academic.oup.com/aje/article/154/4/357/62015
in the US, where we are doing everything to live in harmony with domesticated animals except for ONE thing:
Keeping cats indoors.

These deaths are primarily acquired from food, shockingly in line with our diet (50% from contaminated meat, 50% from contaminated vegetables).

How does toxo get into our food supply if it can ONLY reproduce in the gut of a feline and NOWHERE ELSE? I wonder

Fucking cat people and their "traditional knowledge" aka superstitious delusions are somehow more damaging to society than dog people and their repeatedly debunked "traditional knowledge" saying "an aggressive dog will make my home safer because one time a dog attacked a black guy" myth. Pitbulls, german shepherds and rottweilers = <20% of dogs combined, but almost 100% of severe bites and fatal attacks. HM.

Keep pests away from property by cleaning the fuck up. Keep pests controlled outdoors by attracting owls and small birds of prey. Keep cats indoors. if they ever did anything for pest control it would require them being 100% confined to a building.
Keep your lands guarded with fences, locks, alarms, cameras, and guns. Not dogs. Dogs should be FRIENDLY.
Simple as.

>>99277106
>An animal's moral value is derived from its intelligence
What pseudo-hindu bullshit is this? It sounds like a saar made it up based on their karma garbage.
>Well saar the smarter animals are reincarnated from people with more karma so we should not punish them more saar but the dumber ones are great sinners yes are you following saar?
There is no way this makes a lick of fucking sense.

>>99275990
Here's an obvious fact of western morality, and why it works so well to form decent societies:
It's not about cat. Animals do not have any moral standing whatsoever. No moral value. They are property under law and ethics. Don't take it personally, but this is necessary because in the real world, not whatever bullshit spiritual one where you think some funky ten armed god is going to turn you into a snail, which animals people harm and how, why, and how often they harm them factor in to how they are likely to treat other people.

It is 100% about how it is indicative of his character, and the reliability with which people with his character harm other humans. Animal cruelty punishments are pretty lax and mostly intended to catalogue offenders and hopefully instill a sense of consequences (assuming the corrections system isn't corrupt).

It's actually deranged if you want people punished for eating meat. That increases human well being. We're obligate omnivores and there are no correlations between routine, low volume farm slaughter/hunting and misbehavior beyond hunting correlating with young, high testosterone men correlating with mischief.

Beef was historically a luxury food. ONLY noblemen ate that much of it. If you are eating beef every day, not only is your diet OBJECTIVELY, PROVABLY BAD FOR YOU AND RAISING YOUR RISK OF GUT CANCER AND HEART DISEASE, you are really fucking shitty with money.

The only reason it's even financially feasible for you to eat beef every day is how much of it is being purchased from brazil and mexico and subsidized with cartel money and forced labor.

You can raise 5-20 chickens in your back yard for peanuts. No stinking, property wrecking, dog/cat excluding free range faggotry required (for now...). You can continue living a clean life by keeping them in a pen. They will still be better spaced out than factory birds.
The long term health of meat and layer breeds does not matter because they all go in the oven at 3.
Feed is cheap. Once you set up a mealworm farm and start mowing your lawn again it's basically free.

Now, if ARAs ever say we need to free range backyard chickens or enforce ludicrous space requirements for pens, napalm is going to fly.

>>99280873
They're separate responses but both statements are correct regardless how much cat lovers seethe about it. Cats are widely viewed as a girlish pet by society. Attraction studies shown women get mega ick when they see pictures of men with cats. Dogs meanwhile increase perceived attraction because it's a masculine identifier. Instinctive perceptions usually contain truth.

And yes dogs are bros that make you feel more secure because they always have your back and you can relax. They guard you or your property and alert against possible danger so you will never be blindsided. Cats do nothing, are completely useless, have zero loyalty and will always flee. You can't put any faith in a cat.

>>99275113
More bad news for catfags:

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2022-10-19/huntingfield-development-cat-approval-ban-wandering/101545692

>One of the biggest housing developments in Tasmania for decades has achieved federal environmental approval but with a major catch — residents will need to prove their pet cats will stay on their property.

>The presence of the critically-endangered forty-spotted pardalote in a neighbouring reserve meant the second and third stages of the 470-lot Huntingfield development needed to be considered by the Commonwealth.

>Another condition was that the general manager of Kingborough Council would need to personally approve residents' application to own a cat — and be satisfied the animal would not wander.

>healthy dog
>pukes more than a cat
Toxobrain severely neglects dogs health. More at 11. Any intelligent and empathetic person would have realized their dog most likely had a food allergy or the food was just shit, but there's no point probing you now, you will lie and larp at every turn to try and "win" and you're probably making the whole thing up to begin with

>>99282782
this is what the trannies house looks like?

how shit is his security that his guard dog keeps escaping?
how shit is his security that a coyote got on his property?
the main fence has giant holes in it where small animals can just walk through.
his ostrich died because the fence was too small.
keeps irresponsibly breeding animals.
his python escaped, doesn't give a fuck.
is too friendly with animals that need to be released.
releases mice in his house as if the cat couldn't learn how hunt them when outside.
keeps stale, dirty ass puddles as "ponds".
his video quality dropped drastically because he has too much work to handle.
huge fire hazard heaters placed in haystack.
lazily put up lights around the property that are just a hazard.
animals keep escaping into other enclosures.
nearly lost an eye to kevin. keeps breeding that retarded rhea that's just a safety hazard.
keeps breeding retarded kangaroo that keeps attacking him.

>>99278788
Actually yes people care. Human attitude towards cats is indeed changing. With the spread of information over how nasty terrible and destructive cats are for human health and the ecosystem cats are starting to be seen exactly like how they should be seen as globally invasive vermin. And humans are starting to correct their attitude towards cats which is why places like Australia and New Zealand are openly killing them to defend their unique ecosystems. I honestly have hope that mankind will phase out cats in general and that one day they aren't even sold as pets. Even better if they are simply exterminated into extinction.

Unlike rats, cats are not good prey because they carry too many specific bacteria that honestly damage the health of other animals. Additionally cats are so destructive that they can infect even Great Felines with unique feline only diseases. Putting it simply, globally cats are no good. They benefit no one, not humans, not other felines, not nature.

The funny thing is that the biggest Cat Defenders are also ironically the ones PROVING how awful cats are for communities because cat loving lunatics are usually supremely irresponsible and allow cats to cause destruction of public property and other problems (such as Cat Colonies attracting other pests like rats and roaches due to food left out in the open). Honestly I think cats days are numbered.

>>99275620
I've never intentionally gutshot anything, I don't need to. I'm not a rancher either, I do pastured dairy, they spend the winter indoors, the majority of my arable is hay and silage for cow fodder, and the offsets that we have around the water courses on the property provide more than enough land to prevent runoff and to allow for game and non-game wildlife, which I enjoy.
There's not a rescue org in the world that will come when you call and say "there's an orange stray hunting the meadow larks and I want him gone."
If you get him in a live catch trap, if you're lucky, he goes to a shelter, is never adopted because he's an adult male cat with a disfigurement and a wild disposition, and he's either euthanized or a permanent ward of the shelter, and if you're not lucky, they'll dump him somewhere because the clipped ear proves that he's a TNR release, but you'll never get him into a Hav-a-Hart because he remembers the Hav-a-Hart that got him clipped and snipped in the first place. And it's not like the old generation of farm owners would allow a rescue org to come and confiscate their cat colony or that the state has any problem with someone feeding 40+ cats in their barn. The reason why they eliminated the colony hosted by my neighbor who died was because now they weren't getting fed.

>>99274446
>unwashed scoop
>litter granules tracked around
>litterbox anywhere near carpet or furniture
>cat leaves property line without a leash
say it aint you

>>99282680
Pet that attack owner don't deserve to stay

>>99275416
>admits its just the noise
If you live in the middle of nowhere and you are not home, pop pop pop goes the .22. If they case your house over the fence goes the poison, and over 2 more houses so you dont expect to be robbed, you think angry muslims passed through or some schizos cat got munched. If mr. perfects best trained dog on earth doesnt eat food off the ground they are shooting your dog with a .22 screwed to a fuel filter and the initial bark will be ignored because be real, it always barks.

Walking with dog? Dash and grab, forget siccing to recover property, it’s illegal. Alone? Pop you’re next hand it over bitch.

A dog can only protect you against the least sophisticated, most impulsive gorilla ass retard. The ultra majority of guard dogs never bite a criminal. They never deter one. Guarding breeds ARE nearly 100% of dog bites and fatal attacks, on people who did nothing to deserve it. That’s their contribution to a society.

In a crisis situation the only thing your dog needs is good recall because you can’t fight with a leash in one hand. The absolute best you can hope for is a dog that fights alongside you, but that only needs to make the news once for the next mugger to lay down some steel pipe before starting the main course.

>>99275838
For sure, I'd rather deal with young and mouldable kittens who wouldn't look threatening to my old man and probably would be too busy with each other than to bother him. But, alas, the circumstances are, different. The newcomer cat is due to lose her home so the options are either to
a) take her in, try domesticating and hope she gets along with the old cat;
b) bring her to our property but keep her separately with access to the outside (either explain the flapdoor or whip up an insulated cathouse with a heating pad) and hope she doesn't just run off for good;
c) help her through the winter by dropping by now and then and leaving food, then leave her to her fate.
Obviously, the last option should be avoided if possible. Winters get quite cold and she's likely used to having a warm place to sleep at. There's a minor chance someone else would step up to take her in but atm realistically she's no other options.

>>99283062
Based wiki copy pasta schizo

I have chickens and every damn predator in a 5mi radius is coming around, including 4 cats and a fox. The fox is his own entity, and I've defended against him the best I can. He's never there while the birds are out; they never see him. But they do see the cats. They get very upset about the cats. I say feral cats btw but these are a neighbors "pets". My sisters wanted to adopt one and transition it to an indoir cat because it was balding and ugly, took it to the vet and collared it, just for the "owner" to calling say hey you tagged my cat wtf. As if the alternative wasn't dump it in a shelter. If you can't tell, I'm not a fan of loose pets. If these were dogs they'd be caught and put in the shelter or killed within a week. Especially for going in people's yards and threatening other pets/property. They spread disease and worms, they eat the birds I've worked hard to attract, they shit all over my yard. The rest of my family is a bit more... "well what can you do? Kill them? Just accept it." And everyone knows plebbit believes in TNR (which does not cure these cat ladies, or the cat destruction) and never ever culling or hurting a poor wittwe kitty. I don't want to poison, that means I can easily kill other creatures by accident. I don't want to contribute to the problem by feeding them. I want them gone without making a big fuss.

>>99275620
>>99278788
About this SCAM called Community Cats in the long term as more people are forced to live in neighborhoods decorated by disgusting cat piss and shit lowering property values more people will inevitably end up getting sick because cats are vectors of disease. And this will fuel a huge wave of hatred aimed at cat loving subhuman freaks and the cats as well. Basically cat loving idiots are the worst defense cats have they ensure that people without a shadow of a doubt end up finding out permanently why cats are shitty vermin pest animals and that they should mass culled.

Ideally reaching the point where cats should be illegal as pets including banning them as farm animals since they ruin the work of farmers with their waste. This century has been quite interesting because humanity is learning that cats are shitty parasite animals who need to be kept away from both humanity and nature. Both humans and nature benefit from the extinction of cats.

>>99277529
Cats really are both pets and pests, just like rats. That's just a fact. If someone was "owning" "outdoor rats" who fucking cares, a rat outside of its cage is just a pest, to us AND NATURE ITSELF. If they put a collar on it, it's still a rat. Replace rat with dog, cat, rabbit parrot,, and it stays 100% true. A german shepherd with a collar was chasing my herd last month. I shot it.
>enjoy your black plague
Good thing cats do not reduce, control, or eliminate rodents. They do however spread black plague themselves, as well as any other parasite or disease that can hitch a ride, and leave half eaten and uneaten animals laying around to actually attract more pests. Any farm without cats will be cleaner. They're a huge meme. Their presence prompts rats to behave more cautiously. Cats and small dogs that are unable to work are purely parasitic animals that only take from humanity and don't just NOT give back - they take some more. They are nothing but a detriment. A pet rat is also a parasite.

Not even the vastly superior terrier can actually eliminate a rodent infestation without a human following them around ripping up burrows. WITHOUT human help, those terriers would spread disease, kill natural animals, and shit up the land instead. Just like a cat. Don't be stupid.

>>4906960
You're pretty insane if you think a cat is a special animal that the whole world has a moral imperative not to treat like any other. I have a dog. I have also shot dogs for attacking my goats. Does this make sense to you, console warrior?

Animals are not gods
Animals are not people
Animals are not your family

Animals are property and tools, plain and simple. They have the same status as a car, a phone, or a computer. Most of the animals you eat (cows, pigs, goats, sheep) show just as much personality and intelligence as a dog, more than a cat.

NATURE is what matters. Domesticated pests are just anthropogenic litter.

>inb4 white people forget animal rights was invented by jews

>>99282337
Predators are superior to prey, not parasites. When was the last time toxoplasma gondii chased you down and ripped your throat out because your presence was less desirable than your nutritional value?

And yeah dogs are superior to chickens and cats in the strictest sense of the word but humans are superior to both which is why this is defined in terms of property rights instead of power levels. Your animal trespasses and is attacked by your neighbors animal. Your fault. Not theirs. They owe you nothing. You are liable for damages incurred. Their animal trespasses, they are liable.

In fact some animal owners like the goverment may instruct you to kill their wolves if they trespass and threaten you or your property.
>but i want to play a game. i want a hostage. i want leverage. i want power. i want them to accept my terms or be punished.
Too bad secret king.
Revenge is strictly illegal and circumvents due process. Revenge is always wrong. You can shoot a current threat, but not capture it and use it for any form of extortion. Welcome to life. You may know it as that scary place where trump won and america will be great again.

>>99274446
Time to impose more cat bans and restrictions:

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2022-10-19/huntingfield-development-cat-approval-ban-wandering/101545692

One of the biggest housing developments in Tasmania for decades has achieved federal environmental approval but with a major catch — residents will need to prove their pet cats will stay on their property.

The presence of the critically-endangered forty-spotted pardalote in a neighbouring reserve meant the second and third stages of the 470-lot Huntingfield development needed to be considered by the Commonwealth.

Another condition was that the general manager of Kingborough Council would need to personally approve residents' application to own a cat — and be satisfied the animal would not wander.

>>99282782
>>4900397
Dogs do eat cats, and cats eat omnivorous birds that actively hunt mice and bugs too. Do you think these lines stop at mammals? That animals are americans and only eat grass fed meat, and predator prey is defined in Leviticus? Holy mental gymnastics.

Nature is more complex than that. Apex predators like dogs, bears, and big cats rarely eat eachother (maybe the meat smells awful) but predators down the food chain, including the young of apex predators, and lesser versions of them like coyotes, are also prey. It doesnt require aggression, starvation, or insanity to hunt a mesopredator like a fox, a cat, or a small bird.

>inb4 claws
Most animals have defense features, including rabbits. Rabbits kick and scratch if they are not dispatched fast enough. Deer can stomp wolves to death or gore them. Bison are aggresive tanks. Thats literally how nature works. Its not a farm where predators are the sacred people and the prey are inert and harmless hay recyclers. Nature is violent.

And if you let your cat out, you are making them part of an eternal warzone so long as any other animals exist. So don’t. Keep them on your property, and superior animals won’t break their necks and eat them.

jesas that's a lot of seething about cats

>>99277106
You’re a retard standing apart from 20-40 centuries of normal human behavior.

Normal people consider even cats clean enough. Cats are either coated in spit, or coated in dirt, and walk through toilets without washing their hands (dirt toilets, in our homes). That’s because we have “immune systems” which actually function better with small amounts of dirt around. A dog is not going to hurt you or most people, excluding homosexuals and negros with AIDS.

However, treating dogs like you do does make them more likely to bite people and makes them dirtier than primarily being indoors does. Dogs are social animals, and their grooming habits are also social (they clean each other). They dont really work properly alone outside and just make your property louder and shittier if not trained by living alongside people.
Living outdoors really is a bite risk factor.

Our own disorders caused by being too clean, not having a varied diet, etc are called “autoimmune disorders” and involve your body permanently destroying part of itself. Be warned. What you believe is right is a strategy strongly associated with the least intelligent, most criminal demographics of the country btw.

>>99282799
>fences, locks,
Intruders have metal saw these days
>alarms, cameras,
Depend on electricity, most people don't own generator

>>99274645
Anon, it's a cat. They are literally pests. It's the same as being torn up because your cat killed a pigeon.
>WELL SOME PPL KEEP PET PIGEONS! >:( IT COULD HAVE BEEN NIKOLA TESLAS WIFE!!! I HAVE TO APOLOGIZE! ILL NEVER LOOK AT MY CAT THE SAME WAY AGAIN!
Some people keep cats as pets. Some people keep rabbits as pets. Some people keep rats as pets. Some people keep ducks and chickens as pets. At which point does an animal become sacred?

People keep dogs as pets. Farmers shoot them on sight rather than even risk a sheep/cow being mildly agitated and spraining its ankle. Other farmers keep donkeys that are explicitly dog-aggressive and pursue and attempt to kill them as long as they also go for yotes.

At which point does an animal become sacred?
Because the wide world seems to operate below that point as soon as an animal crosses property lines.

>>4898332
>see anti dog post
>plug some of its stand out phrases into google+"reddit"
>the tourist is revealed
This works every time. It's almost like our resident doghater tourist is a single samefagging individual from you-know-where.

It's more 50/50 when you try and plug 4ch/an/isms regarding cats in, because that's not a distinctly reddit opinion, it's common sense.
https://www.google.com/search?q=keep+your+cat+indoors+reddit

>>99275838
I'll give you my worst:
>crackhead father moves into the sticks onto empty property with a RV
>no electricity or water, besides what we bucketed from a nearby lake
>moves nextdoor to crackheads because secret physic crackhead honing abilities or something
>he dumps me on them because they have food and heat, so I stay here a lot
>every animal is apparently a rescue, roughly maybe 8-10 dogs and 30 "outdoor" (feral) cats
>care goes as far as letting the dogs outside and dumping a bunch of kibble in the garage
>you can smell it before entering the house, but I'm 14 at this point and just got out of another shithole so I don't notice
>like the house before, the floor is greasy from the excessive amount of piss over the years
>no judgements though because I'm getting fed and housed
>they just got a rottweiler puppy
>cats are constantly fucking and having kittens, half of the litters disappear because mom eats them
>there's this batch that makes it though, hang outside and play with them everyday, pretty much all I got because I'm in the middle of nowhere
>as the rottie gets older, she does as a rottie does
>every morning I wake up to cats screaming
>one of the first times my reaction was to run outside, see two of the dogs playing tug of war with the thing, try to stop them
(cont.)

I wouldn't say cats are very interesting. Sure maybe they're cute but so are many other animals. Songbirds are colorful and pleasant to have around, whereas feral cats are a nuisance. I don't know about you but I'd rather have a fuckton of colorful birds with beautiful calls rather than some dirty cats snooping around my property and shitting/pissing everywhere because:
1. Neighbors cant keep their fucking cats inside cause "Hurr durr cats are meant to be outside!"
2. Ferals (even worse cause they are more likely to spread disease)

>how do you tell if a cat is indoor or outdoor?
Gee I dunno maybe if it's surrounded by four walls?
>We can just round up shitbulls and kill them.
So why don't we?
>How do we make sure no cat leaves its owners property ever again?
The same way we do with dogs.
>refusing to trust those subcanine mutts and never being near them or allowing anyone who care about to be near them.
They're living predatory animals that force themselves upon victims. The problem you have with cats can be solved by properly washing your hands and cooking your food like we do here in first-world countries.

>>99275620
Actually yes, killing or intentionally poisoning domestic animals yourself is illegal.

But in most sane, first world areas, if your own domestic animal kills another on your property, it is not prosecutable because animals following their instincts is not a crime and you did everything you could to keep your animal away from others.

here's a fact of law:
If you buy a pet rabbit, grab it by the neck, and shake it until it dies, you have committed a criminal act of animal cruelty. Shoot it, drown it, give it the blue juice - all illegal.
But if your neighbor buys a pet rabbit, lets it out, and one day it burrows under your fence and gets murked by a cat or dog, no crime has been committed.

This same logic applies to larger predators, including other cats, attacking roaming cats *on their owners property*. There isn't even an exception for dogs. If a dog kills a trespassing dog, or a cat kills a trespassing dog (it's happened), or a rooster or a donkey or whatever kills your roaming pet, no one can be prosecuted, except for the "victim" for the crime of having an animal at large.

more than 50% of these posts are from dogredditor
possibly all of them
the absolute state of this board
>inb4 meds
dogredditor is real. he shits up every cat thread and makes falseflag outdoor cat/veganism threads.
https://desuarchive.org/an/search/text/property%20cats/
over 90% of these posts are from dogredditor.
>2-3 paragraphs
>smug as hell
>screeches about property
>hates being called dogredditor
>hates cats but pretends to hate cat owners (sometimes)
>capitalizes the first letter of each sentence (phoneposter)
pic is an example of the typical dogredditor post

more than 50% of these posts are from dogredditor
possibly all of them
the absolute state of this board
>inb4 meds
dogredditor is real. he shits up every cat thread and makes falseflag outdoor cat/veganism threads.
https://desuarchive.org/an/search/text/property%20cats/
over 90% of these posts are from dogredditor.
>2-3 paragraphs
>smug as hell
>screeches about property
>hates being called dogredditor
>hates cats but pretends to hate cat owners (sometimes)
>capitalizes the first letter of each sentence (phoneposter)
pic is an example of the typical dogredditor post

DO NOT listen to dogredditor
how to spot dogredditor:
>2-3 paragraphs
>smug as hell
>screeches about property
>hates being called dogredditor
>hates cats but pretends to hate cat owners
>capitalizes the first letter of each sentence (phoneposter)
picrel is the typical dogredditor post. remember to stay safe!

DO NOT listen to dogredditor
how to spot dogredditor:
>2-3 paragraphs
>smug as hell
>screeches about property
>hates being called dogredditor
>hates cats but pretends to hate cat owners
>capitalizes the first letter of each sentence (phoneposter)
picrel is the typical dogredditor post. remember to stay safe!

DO NOT listen to dogredditor
how to spot dogredditor:
>2-3 paragraphs
>smug as hell
>screeches about property
>hates being called dogredditor
>hates cats but pretends to hate cat owners
>capitalizes the first letter of each sentence (phoneposter)
picrel is the typical dogredditor post. remember to stay safe!

DO NOT listen to dogredditor
how to spot dogredditor:
>2-3 paragraphs
>smug as hell
>screeches about property
>hates being called dogredditor
>hates cats but pretends to hate cat owners
>capitalizes the first letter of each sentence (phoneposter)
picrel is the typical dogredditor post. remember to stay safe!

>>99283144
Coyote rollers are a good one but expensive. Dog sounds like it's already not an option. Motion sensor sounds and lights will only work for so long before they get used to them. You can try sprinklers but that will probably be even more expensive to set up that coyote rollers, and if you made them motion activated it would be very difficult to set up and also be a pain in the ass for you. There's a lot of plants that cats dislike but that will only help keep cats out of said plants.

You could keep bringing them to the Pound but if neighbors catch on that might make your life hell, but hopefully it would teach people to keep cats off your property. I'd say shoot to kill, maybe poison for times you aren't around. Hopefully people will get the message after their 5th fluffy never returns. I'd say talk to your neighbors but there's slim to 0 chance they'd be willing to keep their cat on their property, and now they know who's likely killing all the Fluffys.

>cat hater going insane on cooldown

>>99283104
>search desuarchive for "cat website"
>1st result 2020
>/an/ has been angry about cats since its inception
Hmmmm yep that's a newfag.

This isn't a "cat website". If you want to be coddled for liking cats and kept away from all opinions that might make you worship your toxo-masters less, r/cats is that way >>>/r/eddit

Now, ANYWAYS
You people are retarded. Predators are superior to their prey and have a natural right to kill them.

Birds are superior to bugs.
Cats are superior to birds.
Dogs are superior to cats.

Simple as. The real reason to tell people keep cats indoors is the parasite in their shit (toxoplasma gondii) that kills at least 20x more people than shitbulls in the US alone and permanently deforms and disables thousands more due to the effects of congenital toxoplasmosis. Before accounting for its other effects like increasing rates of bestiality and car accidents. That is against the natural order, because humans are superior to both parasites and cats - it only happens because humans upset the natural order by domesticating an animal that would normally avoid people. Therefore it is our duty as GOD's stewards of this world and his intended order to control these unnatural animals that we ourselves created and restore the earth to GODS intended state. If cat owners were more competent about keeping their cats confined to their property, this wouldn't be a problem.

Therefore, since OPs cat was on his property, he and his cat did nothing wrong. The cat has natural dominion over inferior birds. Food chain, bitch.

>>99283104
>Noooo you have to detest cats being pets because dogs eat them!
What kind of logic is this?

Or keep your cat on your property and it won't et eaten, toxo. Animals and nature - the food chain is nature. Your pet "outdoor mouse" got eaten by a cat? Your stray cat got eaten by a dog? Your stray dog got eaten by a tiger? Wow. Who cares?

>>99283144
There is only one dog fucker on /an/, and it's a /horse/ tourist. 4chan has always been a horse fucker website. Dog fuckers are reddit tourists who went to /trash/ and /b/. It happened before reddits IPO when they deleted their several hundred bestiality boards and every achmed and sanchez flocked here.

dogredditor strikes again!
>reddit lives rent free in his head
>reddit spaces every time
>always brings up the same points ("muh property, muh pests, muh intellegence")
>"its not the animal, its the owner!" - meanwhile he hates cats with a deep passion
go back

dogredditor strikes again!
>reddit lives rent free in his head
>reddit spaces every time
>always brings up the same points ("muh property, muh pests, muh intellegence")
>"its not the animal, its the owner!" - meanwhile he hates cats with a deep passion
go back

dogredditor strikes again!
>reddit lives rent free in his head
>reddit spaces every time
>always brings up the same points ("muh property, muh pests, muh intellegence")
>"its not the animal, its the owner!" - meanwhile he hates cats with a deep passion
go back

dogredditor strikes again!
>reddit lives rent free in his head
>reddit spaces every time
>always brings up the same points ("muh property, muh pests, muh intellegence")
>"its not the animal, its the owner!" - meanwhile he hates cats with a deep passion
go back

>>99282280
ery smart of you to accuse everyone of being a tourist before you can catch shit, electionfag, but it's clear to all of us that you date from 2016 at the earliest.

"Cat website" is your phrase. Your idea. Your fantasy. No one used it before you came here. And you have only ever used it in outdoor vs indoor cat arguments to imply, in your usual womanly fashion, that you must think cats belong outside and control pests to "not hate cats".

Unfortunately for you, you are actually fueling vitriol and convincing neutral parties to go from conditionally liking good cats to just disliking cats, because the things you post are totally disconnected from reality.

Reality: all pets should be leashed outside of their owners property.

Truth hurts.

>>99282337
Protip:
Miralax works on cats. A dose in excess of 1/4tsp:day may cause a transient but harmless diarrhea spell.
Cats can not resist salmon pate even if there's something in it

Time for your neighbor to experience a brush with the consequences of letting cats hop the fence. Also buy coyote rollers for next time.

I did something like this to my neighbors dog a few times until they agreed to let me replace a barely waist height cyclone fence that was set 6 inches on their side of the property line.

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This retard started spamming right after someone made a joke about second cat being the second child she's had lmao

>Schizos seethe about their boogeyman
>look at what they're mad about
>its just facts
most cats in the US live indoors and they are not just happy, they are happier and longer lived

keep your pets on your property. for cats that means indoors unless your backyard is basically an exotic pet enclosure.

>Schizos seethe about their boogeyman
>look at what they're mad about
>its just facts
most cats in the US live indoors and they are not just happy, they are happier and longer lived

keep your pets on your property. for cats that means indoors unless your backyard is basically an exotic pet enclosure.

>Schizos seethe about their boogeyman
>look at what they're mad about
>its just facts
most cats in the US live indoors and they are not just happy, they are happier and longer lived

keep your pets on your property. for cats that means indoors unless your backyard is basically an exotic pet enclosure.

>Schizos seethe about their boogeyman
>look at what they're mad about
>its just facts
most cats in the US live indoors and they are not just happy, they are happier and longer lived

keep your pets on your property. for cats that means indoors unless your backyard is basically an exotic pet enclosure.

My family has 3 outdoor cats (siblings from the same litter). We've had them since they were kittens. They're 15 years old now.
The cats are robust for their age, but as they get older, they've started to develop health problems. We need to be able to track them, in case they try to run away to hide when they're feeling sick.

We live on a suburban street. No woods nearby. So we don't need crazy-accurate locating abilities.
We're just looking for something that doesn't need to be replaced 3 times a year, and can identify which property the cats are hiding in.

Been looking at reviews online. Airtags are really popular, but I'd rather not use them because maintaining/replacing Apple products is a fucking nightmare, and we've only got one iphone in the house - if we replace the phone with a different brand, the tags will be useless.

We'd appreciate any recommendations and reviews, bros.

>>99280873
>Funny how a single cat supposedly "destroys the ecosystem" but at the same time completely useless against rodents.
Weird how an invasive species can kill off native animals in a foreign ecosystem but not kill off animals from the ecosystem it originally came from. Like, hows that work? How do cats kill off endangered voles but not invasive norway rats? magic! Or, try not being stupid.

>Cats are great hunters of rodents. They will keep them in check
They provably do not do anything of relevance to modern man who sees total rodent death as an achievable option. If you're a medieval third worlder with a tiny brain from eating nothing but grain so you can't even conceive of a pitfall trap, so a ratocaust isn't even conceivable, a cat is an upgrade from no cat because the more cautious rodents are less likely to spread fleas and their excreta, being contained to out of sight areas, is less likely to be disturbed and inhaled. However, in this situation, you must also avoid the cat despite its affectionate nature, because cats are a vector species for black plague, rabies, ringworm, and a variety of other parasites, most of which they acquire from rats (and will not transmit to you if not expected to waste time hunting). Not a great solution for you or the cat.

>>99275416
The largest difference is terriers don't care if rats hide. They will dig up burrows of their own volition. It simply takes longer than is financially acceptable to a professional service. If you leave a terrier outdoors and don't feed it, every rodent burrow on your property will be eradicated eventually. This is why smarter sailors used ships dogs, and ships cats turned up alongside rat corpses during fumigations. A dog is an insistent hunter that expects its energy expenditure to be made up for by the entire pack killing more than each dog needs. A cat is a passive hunter that waits for food to appear, which conserves energy and most valuably, water (cats evolved in arid conditions).

>>99275750
>Anon, cats are not used at all.
They are.
You only have to look for russian or ukranian accounts to see how wrong you are.
>that eat sick and injured rats
That's just outright false.
>Dogs destroy nests and course healthy animals.
Under supervision and only when they are specific breeds that need a very specific regiment that your average layman will not be able to provide, hence my initial point.
>They don't halt or reverse rodent population growth. They do not move rodent populations.
Neither does your average dog by themselves.
You'll see a more visible decline with your average shorthair left free in the wild than in with any kind of run of the mill mutt or non-pest control focused breed.
>coyotes
We are not talking about wild animals. Without any kind of natural predator, plants can be a cause for concern in any kind of ecosystem.
>slow breeding birds, amphibians, and reptiles
I have yet to see any significant decline in bird population anywhere due to solely feral or non-inside restrained cats. It's often a sign of a larger problem rather than the cause.
Contributions to the issue must not be ignored, but the point still stands.
>Cats can not even reliably pull the correct string to dispense a treat.
Social learning =/= Intelligence
The same way that communication, at least currently, does not imply language.
>understand actual language
Correlate would be a more appropriate word.
>it means roaming outside of your property
Don't have the land? I hope you know the answer by now. Sorry about your economic situation lad.
>where dogs shit inside?
Never implied. They still smear shit and dirt everywhere, even when trained, just like any animal. Especially if you're one of the retards that allow them to sit on couches or beds.
>cat "people"
Define cat people.
Your vitriol for an animal and your participation in this mental console war is not healthy nor rational.
Seek help.

>>99283104
None of that is true. Cats are just as difficult to care for. It's just more socially acceptable to totally neglect them and pretend you don't smell anything, while dog people are held to higher standards. Cats have been associated with mental illness (recluses, spinsters, witchcraft) for a long time. A total lack of standards for cat owners is so ingrained in our society that women instinctively avoid mens dating profiles if they feature cats, because this poor animal has become a symbol of midwit losers across the nation.

If you care for cats properly, staying on top sanitation, socializing, exercising, and mentally stimulating your cat, which shall NEVER leave your property, then cats are just as demanding as dogs. If you do not want an animal on food preparation surfaces or knocking shit off the fridge you have to actually train your cat which is harder! than training a dog.

>>99283268
This is also totally false.

Both dogs and cats can live independently. It just so happens, again, that it is far more socially acceptable to have an unsocialized, neglected cat you just toss out into the world whenever it is inconvenient. Let's take a normal cat owner situation that shouldn't actually happen, and flip it to dogs - If you had two "independent" dogs that acted as packmate "brothers", avoided people, hissed at them from under the couch, and lived most of their lives outside (as in, over the fence) everyone would think you were a disgusting and useless individual who should do better - or get a cat.

Even if the dogs were tiny and harmless. The standards are way different. The animals are actually more similar.

>>99283485
He even has 4chan pass to spam, top kek

>>99282782
>What would your steps of actions be if your dog killed a cat?
>my cat?
get rid of the dog and never get another one because im a bad owner
>someone elses cat, on my land?
id feel bad, but at the end of the day thats what people risk with having outdoor cats. i love cats but i cant control mine and my dogs life in fear of someone else's out of control semi-domesticated animal entering my property. the last thing i wanna do is pick up a dead cat my dog killed but it was neither of our faults, and solely on the owner.

This is too funny

>>99282644
>AI don't really think of animals as property, but it's irrelevant
Yes it's irrelevant because they legally are.
>A cat is alive
And an animal that doesn't know any better
>I guess you think that I'm upset about losing some of my property but it's not that, I'm upset that some fuck killed a cat. It's a sick thing to do, not as bad as killing a human but similar
Yeah someone killing your free-roaming cat sucks and it makes that person shitty. So keep your cat inside you retard. Eliminates the issue.
>Why do people care about how other people treat their animals?
Because you neglecting your animal by letting it free-roam effects me too you twat.
>Why is it that people can destroy their own property all they want, but if they destroy their own animals, they end up in prison?
A cat is alive.

>Neighbor has a fat ass indoor/outdoor cat that like to come to my property in the morning
>Shes a super sweet and friendly cat with the slow blinks and tail quivers
One day cat stops showing up for scritches
>ask neighbor about it
>Shit ass coyotes killed her
>Neighbor found her body not too far from his house all torn up
>Righteous fury burns my soul
>Offer to kill the coyotes that come onto his property for him since I have a sound maker with a little wiggler thing that draws them in like flies to shit.
>neighbor agrees, but only if I let him shoot a few of them too.
>Hell Yeah!
>we set up the sound maker with injured bunny noises and chill.
>No luck on the 1st day, but neighbor gets 1st blood on the 2nd day.
>He split a big males head open with his deer gun, a .270
>I get a couple with my .243
>This continues for another 2 days.
>we end up with 8 usable furs and 5 that are too destroyed to be good for anything
>neighbor invites me to join him for next years deer season which is neat since I didn’t have a hinting buddy till then.
>We still hunt deer and wild hogs together every year.

RIP Libby the Kitty. I like to think that the 1st coyote that we killed was the one that killed Libby. I still shoot every coyote that I see enter my property in her honor.

>Be based cat AND dog lover because I'm not a child that thinks that you have to choose sides.
>Cats are indoor only because I enjoy watching birds and squirrels and having an indoor/outdoor cat diminishes that.
>Neighbor has a fat ass indoor/outdoor cat that is really friendly and sweet and likes to come around my property in the morning
>Cat stops showing up for scritches
>Ask neighbor about it
>Shit ass coyotes killed it a couple weeks ago
>he says that he found her body not too far from his house
>Righteous Fury rages in my soul
>Offer to kill the ones that prowl his property for him since I have a sound maker and can lure them in.
>Neighbor agrees, but want to shoot a couple himself
>We set up the injured bunny sound maker with high tech wiggler action and chill
>No luck the 1st day
>neighbor gets 1st blood on the 2nd day
>absolutely destroyed a bag male with his .270
>I get a couple with my .243 too.
>after a couple more days and several more kills we call it quits.
>ended up with 8 usable furs and 5 that are too damaged to be worth anything.
>Neighbor asks if I want to join him for next years deer season

RIP Libby the Kitty I hope we avenged you. I still shoot every coyote that I see on my property in your honor.

>>99275750
That supposes
1) that they know what happened to their fluffy disease vectors and
2) that they know who was responsible for doing it
The problem here is that you're thinking these are reasonable, mature, adult human beings who have some sense of personal responsibility.
It's obvious that this is not the case.
If it were, they wouldn't have let their disgusting creatures out to get hit by cars, taken in by another family (not all of these people kept collars on their meowing shitfactories), smashed in wheel wells or eaten by coyotes (or shit in my garden) in the first place. That's what being a responsible pet owner is.
I mean, these people were a goddamn menace. One kicked in the basement windows of an empty home so that the extreme number of stray shitfactories around back then had somewhere to be away from the snow that year (eight years ago, when we had that blizzard). Seeing this bitch nonchalantly damage someone else's property for the sake of cats /that aren't even hers/ made the decision for me that I would get rid of them at every opportunity. I confronted the old cunt about it, too. And she didn't care. "So the fuck what? It's not your house. The house is empty. I'm not hurting anybody."
And how the fuck Is someone still a renter in their 70s? I bought my house when I was 29.
Glad she was priced out.
Fuck that toothless cunt. I hope she lives under a bridge somewhere now with all the strays she could ever want.
>>99277529
My son damaged a neighbour's dryer vent. The missus whooped that ass. I hope your parents did the same.

>>99274446
False equivalence. Animals are property, humans are individuals.

If you left your phone in the middle of the road and someone stomped on it, why'd you leave your phone in the middle of the road? Same deal with outdoor cats. Phones and cats are both property. You have no recourse. You essentially threw it in the trash and blamed the compactor for your loss when you regretted it. All you did was set yourself up for misery.

He's being aggressive but he has a point. Cats aren't exactly a highly dominant animal that tops the food chain, for one. They're a cringing, sneaky, prey item that picks off injured and sick rodents sometimes and catches basking lizards and scavenging birds the rest of the time. They are not super smart, or big, or strong. They are extremely prone to being attacked, maimed, killed. and eaten by animals that are the same size or larger, hit by cars, and sometimes they die horribly by trying to sleep inside heavy machinery or right underneath truck tires.

When you let your cat roam, their death is your fault.

It's not the dog's fault for performing its natural function. The dog owner wasn't supposed to socialize their dog with cats just because you liked cats (should we apply that logic to cats and rats since rats are such good pets? how about rabbits? where's it end?), even though your cat quite literally started it by trespassing. The car driver didn't have a duty to slam on their breaks or swerve in the middle of 35mph+ traffic to avoid hitting your cat. The car driver did not have a duty to inspect their engine compartment, look under their tires, and on top of the driveshaft to save your cat. They were not obligated to fix their antifreeze leak or pick up the drain pan in case your cat hopped the fence. People are not obligated to never, ever use poison baits for other pest animals because your cat might intrude onto their property.

It's always your fault for letting your cat roam. This is the same value system that says a saw mill doesn't have to be toddler proofed, because toddlers aren't meant to be in lumber processing facilities.

I think Gura should get two more cats

>>99275113
I don't think this is unreasonable when it comes to wandering cats, foxes, coyotes etc. However you're never going to actually stop animals from coming into your yard. Here are some alternatives:
>put your plants in a plant cage to prevent wild animals from getting to them. this includes wild birds, foxes, cats etc
>keep your small livestock in a secure run to ensure their safety
>use sound repellants
And this is what I would recommend if you see any cats wandering onto your property: If you can grab them, take them to your local vet. If they're microchipped, the vet will contact the owner and hopefully the owner will keep them inside from then on. If not, just repeat until they get the message. If the cat isn't microchipped, then it's not your problem anymore.
If you can't capture the cat, then use repellants or get a dog. Only kill the animal if it's your last resort. Not only does killing the animal doesn't actually solve the issue (when it comes to wild animals, others will just claim that territory for themselves, and when it comes to someone's pet, you run the risk of them retaliating against you).

>>99277529
>>letting their pet cat outdoors
Yo what's wrong with letting your pet cat outdoors?

>>99275132
>if i see any animal on my property that is not mine, i am blowing its brains out with a .22. it's that simple. that includes wandering cats. my garden is more important than their lives.
>that includes wandering cats
>my garden is more important than their lives.
Jesus fucking christ dude, really? I mean, 1.) how much damage could a cat really do, but mostly 2.) Really? You'd kill a cat over.. some tomatoes?

>>99276056
You're lucky you got her back alive. Like everyone else in the thread said, stop being a nigger and keep your cat indoors. I've had cats my whole life, I have two indoor cats right now, but outdoor cats always have been and always will be a menace.

My wife likes to feed the squirrels in our backyard and they've gotten friendly enough that they'll run up on the porch to take food out of her hands. One of the neighbor's outdoor cats realized this and started hiding beneath the porch trying to catch them. It didn't get the message from me chasing it off a few times so I had to trap it, knock the shit out of it while it was in a cage, hose it down and let it sit there for a couple days before I let it loose. Hopefully it has the good sense to not come back because I only went so easy on it because I love cats. If it had been a dog it would be dead.

If you can't guarantee that your "outdoor" pet will stay on your property (and since you live in an apartment you have no property) then you can't guarantee its life and any of your neighbors would be fully justified in killing it if they find it terrorizing their properties. Keep your cat inside.

>>99282280
>There's no science showing dogs are smarter than cats
There is. You can find this just by googling cat intelligence and dog intelligence. Both animals are exceedingly difficult to study and are subject to massive amounts of intra-specific variation due to domestication's deleterious effects, but the overall trend is that to no one's surprise dogs are more intelligent. "Science" may find, in a study of lab mixes, that dogs lack episodic memory, and 5 years later, given some spare funding, find the opposite in a study of different dogs from a distantly related bloodline. Likewise, the variation between an orange munchkin and a f2 wildcat hybrid is massive with the latter easily approaching the general capabilities of a dumber dog.

>JUST MUH NEURONS
It's one of many, and it does generally confirm intelligence, just not on its own.

The implications of this intelligence have already been stated
>All this practically means for most people is dogs are higher maintenance pets that you can fuck up in more insidious and terrible ways if you believe the memes of less intelligent, less well read people of days past.
But you think you're arguing with one of your paleontology friends and that it justifies abusing cats. it does not. it actually means that abusing cats is still hard to justify, just for entirely different reasons - and it shifts the narrative on whether outdoor cats or indoor cats are "being tortured".

if we accept the obvious, that cats are not very smart, then we can reason that an outdoor cat suffers more because it is exposed to uncontrolled stressors it can not understand (to say nothing of natural predation), and a cat owner has an ethical obligation to keep their cat supervised and contained to their property.

>>99282632
>>99283273
Genuine question, what does this have to 99274645's reply? Did Gura's cat eat another person's birds?

>>99282632
>pigs are smarter than dogs
Pigs are objectively mid, relative to dogs. They may be smarter than a chihuahua or a traumatized lab mix, but they are not smarter than a malinois or border collie. What matters far more than their problem solving abilities is their total lack of social abilities. The most advanced social unit among pigs is a group of sows temporarily protecting their offspring from males. Regardless, the sows still sometimes eat their own and each others healthy offspring. They have absolutely no cooperative tendencies. This is why we farm them, and why they are often reviled or seen as borderline objects in so many cultures.

>Chickens are smarter than anything
But not. It was considered a breakthrough when someone managed to keep one single captive chicken in a very controlled environment to work its way through operant conditioning with a ton of effort. They make cats look somewhat smart.

>>99277529

This is a communist thing, it's not exclusive to the chinese. In communism, with all means of value exchange extinguished, the last thing to not be explicitly considered capital becomes implicit capital. Lives. They also see humans the exact same way which is why communist military and industrial tactics spend human lives as fast as capitalist military and industry spends made up dollars. Why keep "people" alive if they're not willing to die for the party?

Every communist revolution to date has come with an extermination of pets because they represent wealth, property ownership, and self sufficiency. All animals are to be kept in cages and harvested to the masses needs, comrade! To no one's surprise communism does not function worth shit and every communist country has either collapsed, wallowed in poverty, or gone balls to the wall capitalist like china, keeping the soulless morals so their form of authoritarian capitalism is more brutal (the purpose of communism was to subjugate non-jews as an underclass beneath the jew-controlled party)

>>99274446
she saw nimi getting two and they're having sex

>Unless the raccoon becomes a repeating problem to you and your property, your best course of action is to do nothing.
There will always be more of them. The key is to remove their incentive to be a problem.
>You do not know better than nature.
If nature decides that the raccoon will get the stray cats sick, then so be it. There are likely MANY more sick animals out there anyway, trapping and killing one desperate animal will change nothing.
>If the raccoon is not sick, and simply looking for food, do not help, he will find it.
>However;
If you absolutely must do something, notify your local animal control and they will take care of it for you, with the proper knowledge, tools, and training. Do not take unnecessary risks.

>>99283410
Yes I know exactly what you’re talking about, anon. It’s called “abimal liberation”, and its an extreme form of bolshevist mindrot. It’s true aim is actually not the restoration of wild areas where animals escape extinction, or even where animals are “treated well”. It’s real goal is the extreme erosion of property rights by using compassion towards animals as a wedge. Animal liberation groups would prefer laws in which it is very easy and simple for the governemnt to snoop around your property at their whim, or even confiscate all your livestock, should you ever be found in “violation” of their “good treatment” protocols. These are often as extreme as “no branding your cattle” or even “no keeping your pet cat indoors”. They have already had some success at this because in many jurisdictions the government has the right to enter and inspect your property whenever they wish if you own pigs.

In my country, the bolshevist animal liberationists have been behind the erosion of free speech as well. They have successfully gotten any depiction of violence involving animals to be treated the same way as CP. They have also banned the private ownership of big cats. These two legislations all happened within a year or so of eachother. There are certainly more on the way. Next on the chopping block is likely the criminalization or regulation of private pet breeding.

None of this is “compassion towards animals”. The criminalization of private breeding of exotic wildlife and of ordinary pets will result in the mass extinction of tigers and other exotics, as well as unique pet breeds like Labradors. We will soon only have nigbulls to choose for adoption as you very well know that the state will never apply these laws to the nogs breeding the pitties. We can look forward to the nogs also hunting togers to extinction as the private breeders keeping the species alive are criminalized.

Bolshevism is one hell of a (((drug)))!

>>99274645
fpbp, but especially dogs. Leaving pack animals alone all day long every day is kinda cruel.

>>99283410
I went from NYC indoor cats to moving in the country and gradually introducing them to the outside. Our tortoiseshell cat took to it instantly. She wanted to explore and made a habit of begging to go outside every morning. She's taken to hopping the fence, exploring alongside the rock wall, then coming home of her own accord. We put a YIP Tracker on her collar and while it's not great for our rural area, it helps a bit when I walk around the property and try to ping her general whereabouts on my phone. Our other three cats that range from 6 months, 1 year, and 13 years all stay within the fence line without me training them.

Our 1-year old caught and killed a bird, so we now put a very bright colored collar on her with a couple of small bells. Birds will notice bright color patterns easily and the added sound can help get their attention to fly away before a cat can catch up. We've also made sure to keep the grass short so our cat can't stalk and we only have a single tree-- it's wide open otherwise. We haven't gotten another dead bird since.

Constant training would be the best way if you want your cat to free-roam the yard. Put them on a leash, walk around the property for months and allow them to build a mental map. It'll help them learn the area and get used to all the noises in a new environment. That's what I did with my cats and why three of them don't hop the fence.

If the area is too large and you're still worried about a stray coyote hoping over and trying to snack on your cat, you can build a cat enclosure or build a cat-proof fence. There's lots of DIY cheap options to do it if you Google it. Just make sure they're dig-proof as well. We've been getting a few too many fox and coyote predator sightings this summer, so I've started keeping my cats in and revamping our large yard. We're extending the fence with PVC pipe to create a double-sided jump-proof fence and burying rocks along the perimeter to prevent digging.

Hope that helps.

>>99283410
Dogs were never actually meant to be trustworthy off leash. They are working animals, and unhooking the leash is their "on switch" for hunting. Hence leash laws go out of effect as you leave city limits and others posted property and enter state land that is legally huntable. Because of this, and because all training fails (dogs have free will), there is no such thing as a dog that is trustworthy off leash, just a dog owner that lives so far from other people that the occasional unintended dead rabbit is not a concern and occasional wandering means the dog is in a government owned bush and not some mentally ill psychopath's backyard.

But no one else can be like that, the occasional dead rabbit was actually a cat and the owner, and maybe the local government, believes cats lives are so valuable that dogs that kill them should be killed themselves. And the government owned bush is instead some cranky dog hating faggots backyard, and he has a gun.

Don't worry, it's not like dogs were meant to live alone in the woods. Humans have been leashing and fencing dogs for over 12,000 years. Those dogs at the park are normal. Their owners likely saw your dog as a poorly socialized natural born bully that needs to be controlled while you stood there being a typical gsd/pitbull/husky owner
"haha, my dog is so alpha, look at all those bitches getting dominated"
Thank god you realized you were wrong, somewhat!

>>99283410
update that no one asked for
>went to the supposed animal sanctuary, the only one around me that either isn't totally full or didn't respond to my inquiry at all
>I had made basically an appointment to drop him off there today
>a swarm of dogs greets me
>multiple vehicles on the property are present
>nobody is there
>I call the property owner's phone
>nobody answers
>I wait, no one shows up or contacts me
>go up to the porch
>ring the doorbell
>nobody answers the door
>I wait, holding the cat in his carrier box
>still nobody makes themself known
>I look around and notice I see no other cats... in fact, I see no other animals, period, except for the crowd of dogs
>I don't hear any other animals from either outside or from within the house
>I can't quite put it into words but the atmosphere of the house or the property in a general sense felt wrong, off, foreboding, bad, "dead"
>say fuck this to myself and leave
>a hour after I took off there's a text message and voicemail on my phone from the property owner saying can we do this next week, that he's ill... so he wasted my time instead of letting me know he can't take the cat today
>however, that means he was inside the house while I was there?
>none of this is making sense, the property looked more like an animal (well, dog) hoarding situation instead of a sanctuary in which my cat can have peace
>I ignore the text message and the voicemail entirely
>I sense the man has quietly lost his mind if he ever had it to begin with and I'm disgusted at the idea of sending my cat to live to such a place
>or, this man has been scamming humans for years and maybe literally eating/killing the animals dropped off there
>this place was visually fucked from the instant I looked it over with my own eyes so I'm not sure how anyone has felt confident leaving their pet with him yet somehow the glowing reviews of the place do exist online (it looked dilapidated and had a negative feeling in the air around it)
cont.

>>99283410
If someone is against wolf reintroduction it's a red flag that they are a shitty person and a total fucking idiot.

Source: been to spain, scotland and wyoming.

They are shitty people and total fucking idiots. Living near wolves would not hurt them, but it would put a halt to their disruptive hobby, ie: letting cats, dogs, sheep, and chickens roam around so much they end up on other peoples property. To add to the shittiness when I stayed with my uncle in spain, someone actually dragged someone elses dog off THEIR property because it killed their chicken ON THE OTHER PERSONS PROPERTY, hung it from a tree, and beat it to death. Average anti-wolf tard killed someone elses pet because their chicken was trespassing.

>>99283410
>Name said better animals
Wolves
Bears
Hyenas
>Hyenas are "close to" cats
All carnivorans are close to each other if you want to turn this into cladistics console wars. The fact is BIG cats in particular (panthera) plus the overgrown small cats (cheetahs/mountain lions) is useless. No one said anything about (natural) small cats. Those are ecological useful mesopredators that hunt small things and become food for big things.
>less than 1% of the natural habitat of tigers and bears/wolves overlap.
Because they all attack each other. If the tigers vanished it would just be wolf and bear habitat, and other than that, the ecosystem would be totally unchanged. Tigers do not have a unique role in it, and they are not the best at it. They are an inferior competitor hence how easily they go extinct.
>the jaguar keeps the population of close to 100 species in check
Literally any other apex predator could do the job better

And most importantly, other apex predators are not as prone to attacking humans. I shoot pumas on sight because of this. Wolves move in, nothing changes. Maybe some rancher complains about wolves but those fucktards are lazy and destroy the ecosystem in the name of their cowboy larp because they don't want to keep the shit cleaned up in a proper feedlot, and dogs kill several hundred times more cattle (99% because the roaming cattle end up walking into other peoples property where the dogs live. this happened to be with a roaming horse and the letter of the law wouldn't let me fight it so i rehomed the dogs in another state and poisoned the guys other 2 horses next time they jumped my fence)

Sorry catfucker, you're going to have to restrain your weird love of these worthless man-eaters to e621 searches.

Nonono you wont use that trick this time
All of you say you dont hate cats
Yet the only pupose of your reply is to paint cats as some sort of insect
Cats have a frontal lobe
They think
Being dumb doesnt = not thinking
The only thing i hate more than this is when people screech about l*ttercucks
Littercucks are acctually retarded
>yes goy you must force your cat to shit into a box
>yes goy you must scoop your cats shit
>the outside wold? NOO YOUR CAT CANT IT JUST CANT THINK ABOUT ALL THE BLACKBIRDS AND ALL THE PROPERTY YOU JUST CANT GOY

Nonono you wont use that trick this time
All of you say you dont hate cats
Yet the only pupose of your reply is to paint cats as some sort of insect
Cats have a frontal lobe
They think
Being dumb doesnt = not thinking
The only thing i hate more than this is when people screech about l*ttercucks
Littercucks are acctually retarded
>yes goy you must force your cat to shit into a box
>yes goy you must scoop your cats shit
>the outside wold? NOO YOUR CAT CANT IT JUST CANT THINK ABOUT ALL THE BLACKBIRDS AND ALL THE PROPERTY YOU JUST CANT GOY

>>99283410
A shorthair cat can lick itself after being dirty for a while. That doesn't mean there isn't dirt left over.
>Cats only have predetors in 3rd world countries
Cats have predators in every country where eagles and jackals exist at the bare minimum. This is literally every landmass.
>They do
They don't
>It's a good thing that my cats murders random wildlife
No it isn't.
>Cats are scared of chickens
They kill younger ones all the time.
>A dog killing a deer
Not lol. Reality. Dog overpopulation has even caused deer extinctions.
>Dogs are apex predators and cats aren't
That doesn't mean cats aren't still predators. It means there are predators above them that they can't do shit about. Dogs are apex predators nearly everywhere, they compete with, eat, and are eaten by other large predators but aren't definitively lower. Cats are just under this level, so they still kill a LOT of animals.

>Think about it. If cats kill birds with bad genetics then future birds will have better genetics and live better
The birds have great genetics. You have bad genetics and are actively making your environment worse by killing off perfectly good birds, on purpose, by pumping random pets into the environment with the knowledge that they will kill those birds.

My dog hunts too, but they don't hunt anything that is meant to be here, because my property is pretty well secured. Except against cats. Thankfully for the cats, I have eyeballs, a garden hose, and know how to set up a live trap.

>>99274446
"cat"

Please keep your pets on your own property. They are destructive and anything that can get into and out of a fenced yard can get into worse trouble.

I have relocated 2 dogs and 17 cats to shelters and rescues in the past 5 years.

Please keep your pets on your own property. They are destructive and anything that can get into and out of a fenced yard can get into worse trouble.

I have relocated 2 dogs and 17 cats to shelters and rescues in the past 5 years.

Please keep your pets on your own property. They are destructive and anything that can get into and out of a fenced yard can get into worse trouble.

I have relocated 2 dogs and 17 cats to shelters and rescues in the past 5 years.

Please keep your pets on your own property. They are destructive and anything that can get into and out of a fenced yard can get into worse trouble.

I have relocated 2 dogs and 17 cats to shelters and rescues in the past 5 years.

>>99283410
crazy cat worshipers would be like
>ur dog has to be put down if they eat cats, train ur dog to be nice to my favorite animal, fuck ur food chain cats rool dogs drool
but 5 seconds later and 5 seconds ago
>If birds cant adapt to superior cats they deserve to go extinct.

Alas, dogs are apex predators, and cats are mesopredators. A dog with predatory instincts will treat strange cats like rabbits even if they're friend with an indoor cat. They mix like cats and rats. Who the hell has an "outdoor rat" that they let roam the neighborhood? Someone that must think every rat looks the same and that their pet has survived dozens of years, probably.

Let's not even touch on the unfortunate reality of pest control. Rats eat poison, because the cats don't get rid of them and yet we really want them gone. Cats then eat poisoned rats because their instinct is to pick off the weak and let the strong escape to breed and produce future prey. The cats, then, tragically, get sick and sometimes die. This also happens to roaming dogs, because dogs and cats both hunt rats. Preventable if you just keep your pet confined to an area you can control (your own property).

>>99283328
I don't want your pet to shit on my lawn

And I don't want to clean up your dead pet when my dog eats it, because it's a prey animal
Which, sadly, you seem to have already accepted will happen
>What if i told you that species dying is a good thing? If a species cant adapt its not worthy of life. -you

But I'm not accepting it because I don't want to clean up your pet's body. Sorry! I'll hose your cat away before I let my dog out, and if I see it again I'm going to trap it and take it to a shelter in another county. I'm just not gonna have your pets on my property. Not if its your cat. Not if its your rabbit. Not if its your chicken. That's how it is.

>>99283391
Notice we don't have crazy dog people defending shit owners as if they are the norm and it's not a problem or it's because of the breed. Dogs are intelligent animals and need education and stimulation. They're difficult pets especially if you are poor or dumb.
We don't have people defending dogs roaming around town ala mexico.
We don't have people defending irresponsible dog owners contributing to wild ungulate extinctions.

But we do have crazy cat people insisting that cats should roam or that cats dont need to be cared for.

tldr not reading all of that nonsense

Keep a washable mat around the litterbox to minimize tracking and cleanup from accidents
Scoop the box every day. Ideally immediately after it's been used
Dump the box and wash it every week
At least brush your cat as often as you can to minimize hairballs and smell
All cats must be spayed and neutered as soon as the vet will perform the procedure
Keep your cat off other peoples property

>>99283613
If your caiman is legally exploring your property, and a stray housecat intrudes, the majority of states do not consider it animal abuse or owning a dangerous animal if your pet gator/dog/puma eats them. Very few state "ANY DOMESTIC ANIMAL" in such cases unless referring to human-mediated actions rather than an animal simply roaming around where it is allowed to be.

Were it any other way you could theoretically have a dog put down for eating an escaped pet rabbit or a cat put down for eating a rat that turned out to have domestic heritage. Which is absurd.

i like cats

>>99274446
Tldr

Cats are fully domesticated
They do not belong outside of your property
You need to clean up after them
You need to clean them
Toxoplasmosis would not kill as many people if cats were not roaming outdoors.

Answer yes to every item. You can not refute these.

No “but something else somewhere else”. No “but one time one out or 8 billion dog owners”. No red herrings. You accept these statements or you are an idiot.

>>99276056
>you hate cats because
>you think i should clean up after my pet and keep them on my property
Yes thats the toxo troon list of terms

“dogs are animals, cats are gods, IF YOU DISSENT YOU HATE CATS” “i dont hate dogs but ALL DOGS SMELL LIKE SHIT AND THEY ARE THE MOST DANGEROUS ANIMAL TO EVER EXIST”

YOU, here and now, are letting cats outside to die horribly and spread disease
YOU, here and now, have a dirty home because you dont clean your god damn litterbox

YOU are shit. I hate YOU. The cats are victims. YOU are actively harming cats. Not me. I am telling you to make them live longer and suffer less. You disagree! “The cats dying and spreading disease are a non issue”

So despite me insisting you prioritize feline welfare i hate cats and you, the dirty faggot who throws them into a meat grinder, loves cats? No.

Cats are great but they are victims of filthy stupid toxo trannies who treat them like angels and ignore it when they die horribly on a steady diet of manna from heaven! You faggots indirectly slaughter your own pets. Disgusting. Like a cow lover sending their beloved steer to roam around an abattoir.

>>99275990
As always, the toxo troon sets his terms, the same as every other toxo troon has set their terms:
To stop the console war is to see dogs realistically, but worship cats and consider them hyper-intelligent tame wild animals who we were born to serve. Absolute fucking bullshit, you animal abusing faggot piece of shit.

Time to dispel the myths once again
No, cats are not tame. They are domesticated. Cats do not have more choice. They were bred to love us. They belong in our homes, on our laps. Faggot. Outdoor cats survive 2-4 years on average and are prey for every carnivorous and omnivorous mammal and avian larger than themselves. The parasites they spread by their shit kill 20x more people than pitbulls. And rather than perform any pest control function, they put a larger dent in the slower breeding bird population, while killing less than 1/5th of the amount of rodents they would have to in order to halt population growth. With fewer birds, rodents and insects can breed more, actually worsening the pest situation. However, it does make the situation better for the cats, because a growing pest population supports a growing cat population. Which feeds car tires, coyotes, and stray dogs, making the entire town dirtier and more dangerous.

There is no possible way this cat worship BS where you think they're wild animals that need to roam does not make life worse for everyone involved, including the cats, toxo troon.

The terms are extremely simple:
Keep a washable mat around the litterbox to minimize tracking and cleanup from accidents.
Scoop the box every day. Ideally immediately after it's been used.
Dump the box and wash it every week.
At least brush your cat as often as you can to minimize hairballs and smell.
All cats must be spayed and neutered as soon as the vet will perform the procedure to make the chances of them spraying indoors as close to 0 as possible.
KEEP YOUR CAT INDOORS AND OFF OTHER PEOPLES PROPERTY

>>99282165
I like cats, but I have an intense dislike for the majority of cat owners

There are very few very simple rules you have to follow to be a clean, moral cat owner

Keep a washable mat around the litterbox to minimize tracking and cleanup from accidents.
Scoop the box every day. Ideally immediately after it's been used.
Dump the box and wash it every week.
At least brush your cat as often as you can to minimize hairballs and smell.
All cats must be spayed and neutered as soon as the vet will perform the procedure to make the chances of them spraying indoors as close to 0 as possible.
KEEP YOUR CAT INDOORS AND OFF OTHER PEOPLES PROPERTY

What even is this thread.

>A cat that is simply alllowed outside won't have any less of a lifespan than those that are kept inside all the tim-ACK
>WHAT NO! MITTENS!
>YOUR DOG NEEDS TO BE FUCKING PUT DOWN THEY SHOULD HAVE BEEN SOCIALIZED WITH CATS BECAUSE I LIKE CATS I MEAN A CHILD WILL BE NEXT BECAUSE CATS > DOGS THEREFORE CHILDREN > DOGS OK!?
>KILL ALL THE COYOTES RIGHT FUCKING NOW
>EAGLES ARE PESTS FUCK THOSE DUMP CHICKENS
>DROP THE SPEED LIMIT TO 10MPH ACTUALLY BAN CARS
>RAT POISON IS UNETHICAL BECASUE MY CAT ATE A POISONED RAT JUST USE CATS TO CONTROL RATS INSTEAD NO SHUT UP IT WORKS ITS TRADITIONAL KNOWLEDGE
>TRAPPING RACCOONS AND SKUNKS SHOULD BE ILLEGAL ACTUALLY THINK OF THE FELINE COLLATERAL
>TNR WORKS AND I REFUSE TO NEUTER MY BOY WE'RE BOTH MEN WE'RE BROTHERS
Every time.

>the guy I see losing his shit in off topic cat threads on the other boards I read is a chumbud
rumao

Basically like third world dog owners but in the first world for some reason

No, cats do not belong outside. Especially not outside of your property. Which would require a roof or climb-proof fences, which you don't have. So keep them inside.

>>99277529
having cats is ok if they're kept inside your property
the woods near my dad's house are infested with cats which killed off most birds that used to be plentiful there, they've become feral and reproduce fast. retards nearby always feed the fuckers
also they keep invading every lawn including my dad's and destroying his garden. he used to grow dozens of types of edible stuff but cant anymore because the cats destroy the young plants and piss on everything
at least street dogs stay in the streets

I fucked up.

There's a feral cat that has been living on my property for months. Fights with my cat and even bit a hole through his ear, kills a ton of birds, including one of my beloved cardinals. Want it gone.

So I bought a trap. I put the trap out. I put catnip in the trap, leading into it and a big plate of it behind the trap plate. Not 2 hours later the cat was in the trap. Such good luck, huh? First try.

He looked at me from in the trap silently. Looked scared but didn't make a sound, no growl or hiss. Definitely feral, just like a wild animal. Maybe still a little high off the catnip.

So I picked it up and start bringing it to my car. The idea was to drive him 20+ miles away and ditch him in an urban area. Maybe he'll find some feral friends there. At least stop being my problem.

And he starts flailing around in the trap and pushed open the door and ran out of it. Ran into the back yard and under my shed.

Fuck.

I doubt that's going to work again. You think if I wait like 2 weeks and put it in a different location he might fall for it again? Maybe if I disguise it with some leaves and sticks?

>>99283980
Mental illness + a 4chan pass.

>>99277342
More undisputable facts ahead!

Cats have never once been proven to eliminate or reduce rodent infestations. Rather, they only reduce the peak number of rodents at equilibrium assuming the cat population is allowed to grow as well. You don't want to do this on your property because it would mean having hundreds of cats and tens of thousands of rodents. They are passive hunters who mostly take the diseased and old, a strong contrast with canid and avian predators who will wipe out local rodent populations with ease by indiscriminately taking anything that steps out into the open and destroying burrows.

The only scientific evidence of cats having any pest control prowess that was collected in the field, on real life rodents, not naive lab rats, only showed that a cat would only modify rodents behavior to make them more cautious if it was present at the same time as a dog. Yes, you read that right. Cats barely do anything and only if you have a dog as well.

A cat has less than 1/4 as many neurons in its cerebral cortex as an average, and likely slightly dumb, german shepherd.

Although boars were introduced for hunting, the only way we can get rid of them is by hunting them with semi-automatic rifles, baited execution sites, and IR night vision. Sadly for pitbull fans, dogs are not an effective way to get rid of multiple piggers.

Israel is a legitimate state and has a right to exist, but not in the land they have illegally taken from palestine. Israel's current borders are a violation of international law.

The united states should have been threatened with expulsion from the UN after they pressured everyone into the SCN and then defied it by allowing half their states to legalize recreational cannabis, a drug they only wanted banned because it was popular with mexican migrants.

>>99283524
I can trust dogs. They cause less trouble than cat. The landlady's basement always have the horrible smell of cat shit.
Even a 50cm tall dog can keep junkies away from the property

>>99275132
>Pitbull
>Next to the animal that make sup 50% of literally any canine's diet
This won't end well

Ask my ex, who brought home a cat, even though I have a big male borzoi who actively hunts everything that isn't a dog or human and eats wild animals in the backyard, and insisted they were fine because he didn't instantly eat the cat. I told her to take the cat away immediately because my dog has eaten a cat before. I tried to explain the food chain to her and that my pet was an apex predator and hers was prey, I showed her the wikipedia article on mesopredators, and she said "no, cats are really smart, they're apex predators and everyone knows they're smarter and more agile than dogs". She also said that my dog should be socialized with cats. I told her it was too late, wasn't happening, and I don't care because i have no intention of ever having cats in my home or having them on my property. She told me she would break up with me if she didn't get to keep the cat.

In order to save her cats life, I broke up with her and told her to keep it indoors. I was not about to spend years in court wrestling this clearly insane woman to the ground if she wanted to kidnap my dog and have him put down over her dumb pet.
3 weeks later on facebook she posted that the cat was lost after it didnt come back from outside
3 days after that she texted me asking what was poison to dogs
I told her to kill herself and drove over to warn all her neighbors
She got arrested trying to poison two huskies

>>99282165
>dogs attacking pests that are sometimes pets is bad!
>cats attacking pests that are sometimes pets is good!
and yet dogs and cats can both be pests themselves if they arent well trained, well taken care of pets. people shoot stray dogs all the time, people shoot stray cats, because stray animals are destructive and spread disease while pet animals do not. simple as. it is more moral to trap them, but often it's not possible to accomplish before they do damage by spreading diseased fecal matter or attacking livestock.

"farmers should have their guns taken away and their hands cut off so they can't hurt stray dogs" - u

hypocrite, you are. either killing unwanted animals on your property is ok, or it isn't. whether you use a dog, a cat, or a gun as your tool.

keep your animals fenced or leashed when not in appropriate fenced in animal-specific play areas. capisce?

>>99283668
If someone in my town murdered an old man because he was beating cats with a stick and chasing them away from his house, I would be dropping "special tuna" all over town and relocating coyotes to every neighborhood I could just to spite them. I would find their house and vandalize their property constantly, using drones to shatter windows and drop paint, sewage, brake cleaner, etc all over the place every night and whenever they left for work, so they would always feel loss and injustice. And I would anonymously let them know that all the poisoned dogs and cats would have lived if they never killed that man.

Anyone who would harm a human over a fucking animal, not an endangered, valuable one like the last elephant in africa, but common domesticated vermin like a dog or cat with NO place in nature whatsoever now or ever, deserves the worst. The most prolonged psychological pain. They deserve to live every day stewing in guilt, anger, and hopelessness for the rest of their life, feeling wronged and at fault simultaneously for every waking moment. That would not approach the suffering caused by taking a human life, but it's as fair as it gets without locking them up and torturing them so badly they come out the other end severely disfigured.

>>99283687
Another study authored entirely by physicians concludes that injuries from pit bulls are both more frequent and more severe. (Essig Jr., Garth F., et al., Dog Bite Injuries to the Face: Is There Risk with Breed Ownership? A Systematic Review with Meta-Analysis, Int. J. of Ped. Otorhinolaryngology 117 (2019) 192-188; accessed 3/25/2019.)

Similarly, an additional study found that pit bulls inflict “more complex wounds, were often unprovoked, and went off property to attack” and that “[t]he probability of a bite resulting in a complex wound was 4.4 times higher for pit bulls compared with the other top-biting breeds.” (Khan K, Horswell B, and Samanta D, Dog-Bite Injuries to the Craniofacial Region: An Epidemiologic and Pattern-of-Injury Review at a Level 1 Trauma Center, J Oral Maxillofac Surg, November 2019, https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/31816277.)

Remember, dogs were never a problem. If you killed every pitbull, rottweiler, and german shepherd on sight, dogs would be safer than breathing.

Cats are not a problem either. Only outdoor cats are. Otherwise they cant pick up any diseases to give you and live long lives just like indoor dogs.

Outdoor cat is less bad than outdoor dog but both are bad
indoor cat and indoor dog are the same
just kill every pitbull, german shepherd, and rottweiler first

Simple? Simple.

>>99283668
If you let your shit pest outside where there are native cats, you have two issues
1: if intact, and i know cat-redditors like to leave their animals intact every bit as much as twitter dogfuckers (you even molest them too. yes, you. and yes, you do. shall we search youtube for "helping a cat in heat qtip method"?), polluting the native genome with your 25% smaller brained midget retards inferior DNA and creating hybrids that are less fit, contributing to their eventual extinction, or worse, domestication into the cat equivalent of free roaming wolfdogs. Useless even as pets. Not natural animals. Just pure vermin.
2: flooding the ecosystem with a predator imbalance. this is ALWAYS bad, because it takes food from REAL animals and increases predation rates of prey, contributing to extinctions. the predator imbalance can not be rectified unless all cats are kept inside because cats are artificial and breed in facilities, not in the woods, where they are reared until viability and then released by idiots like you. they are not subject to natural selection or nature trying to balance itself. sure, they only make it 5 years tops, but they do a lot of damage in that short time and 50 more cats are released before one dies.

For the love of fuck, keep your shit pests inside. Domesticated animals belong in domestic settings. Their owners property. Nowhere else without a leash. I have no sympathy for anyone whose "moggie" got mogged by balto, rat poison mixed with tuna that was totally left out for rats (wink), an unfortunate antifreeze leak, or toxic garden plants.

.....vtubers?

>>99283701
Now that my elderly cats have died I finally can get a dog with a clear conscience. Problem is my landlady is steadfast on not allowing them. Other problem is she actually is a really sweet landlord and hasnt raised my rent once in 6 years, and she says since her property taxes are frozen due to being a senior she never will raise it either. This means if I moved anywhere else that allowed dogs and with similar amenities it would cost me probably $600-800 more per month than I'm paying now. And I have savings for a house down payment but the math there is even worse. It is really hard to justify doing it when it would mean I'm basically paying $10k/yr+ extra just for the privelege of owning a dog, not even factoring in the literal actual costs of dog ownership.

what would you do? I feel like I might need to literally move to to flyover, usa just to be able to afford a pooch. And that sounds just as insane to me as paying $1000/mo for dog priveleges. I literally cannot think of a way to get in the clear to get a dog that doesn't sound basically insane and/or financially ruinous

>>99283668
It's 99% some salty catfag. Huskies are one of those breeds that are real animals, not mutant farm equipment, and hunt and feed themselves like a carnivore should. However, like it is for any predator their size, cats and rabbits are on the menu. ESPECIALLY cats because domestication has made them totally unable to deal with threats. Dogs just walk up behind them and chomp.

This story has played out in multiple countries. When they're caught torturing a husky to death its THEY ATE MUH CAT! as an excuse. Cats look vaguely like infants, so low IQs and women get unreasonably attached to them to the point of worship.

If I were a third worlder with a roaming friendly husky I would be poisoning or killing the cats as a precaution. Dogs are better pest control anyways.

I already poison roaming cats and I live in the first world. They're pure pests that hate people and destroy property, and the last thing I want is poison in my yard because the neighbor was feeding them and heard the commotion from my GSD boi getting his own dinner.

>>99283485
ats are absolutely vile. Manipulative, untrainable, pompous little monsters who avenge every inconvenience by shredding your stuff and pissing on it. The little shits genuinely believe they're the alphas of the household, and punish you for not catering to their every whim. That's why I like to go to a shelter and buy a cat just so I can spend the next few weeks torturing it. (Obviously nothing tops plain old beatings when you've got some stress to vent, but personally, my favorite method is to rub cayenne pepper into their eyes, mouths, and assholes and watch them blindly stumble into a hiding place and tear/salivate for hours after.) Cats deserve to feel the way they make rodents, birds, and other small animals feel anytime they're allowed outside, playing with their food and terrorizing it before eventually murdering it.

I've done this to about eight cats so far, and I have no intentions of stopping. Obviously I have to drown them in different streams/ponds at the end of each month or else the locals would start getting suspicious, and we all know what toxoplasmosis-infected roasties are like once they've caught a whiff of a cat experiencing any inconvenience, justice, or discomfort whatsoever. I also have to rotate which shelters I buy from, so the employees don't start to wonder what happened to the first seven cats I've bought over the last half a year.

These little pests destroy ecosystems, destroy property, and of course, injure people. I'm just doing my part to return the favor.

>>99283485
I think the abundance of working dogs and the fact that cats have so little working ability even if they happen to be motivated well enough speaks volumes about the relative intelligence of each species. A LOT of people do train their cats, so it's not like "cats are too smart to listen". But cats are just limited in what they can even learn, and how long it takes them to learn it. Huskies are a common example of an animal that's "too smart to listen". They are notorious for not doing what they are told unless you are holding a whole steak up for them to see, but their owners insist that they learn tricks in 1-2 repetitions and figure out novel ways to destroy property and escape confinement. If cats were like that, I don't think many people would keep them as pets.

Really, isn't it better if cats are dumber? Dumber animals are much less demanding to care for. You don't have to play hide and seek puzzle games with your cat for 4 hours to sate their need for knowledge or anything. For a casual pet owner, don't you want a dumb animal that listens? That seems to actually describe cats well. They are very trainable if you do actually train them, just a bit dim.

>*checks schizophrenia symptoms*
>Delusions
Oh.

>I remind them that if we see less mice around is thanks to them.
like it fucking matters how many you see. that isn't a measure of how many they are. rodents change their behavior around predators to be more cautious, but if they left, one of the two would have gone extinct.
https://travislongcore.net/2021/05/15/no-chicago-feral-cats-dont-control-rats/
https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/19245489/

feral cat facts:
1: knowingly allowing a cat to be feral is animal abuse. cats are not wild animals. their average lifespan, even with free food from people, is 5 years. indoors, 15-20. the lifespan of a truly wild cat is 15 years - yes, in the wild. average fucking wild cat. 15 years, unaided by man. they NEED to be inside.
2: feral cats do not and have never eliminated or meaningfully controlled rodents. period. pick up your trash piles instead.
3: feral cats are the #1 source of toxoplasmosis, which causes ~750 infant fatalities a year. without them, it would not be in the food supply, or even the dirt. it can not reproduce without entering a cat to mature.
4: feral cats are better at "controlling" slower breeding species like songbirds. unfortunately, these aren't pests. rather, they manage pests (such as mosquitoes, locusts, and destructive beetles). and they manage the vast majority of them! eliminating the common sparrow once caused a nationwide famine that killed 45 million people. lol. it's less because of their skill as hunters (nerfed by domestication) and more because of the sheer numbers being maintained and bolstered by IDIOTS LIKE YOU.
5: if a shelter is overpopulated, it's usually with cats. all slated to die, slowly in a cage or immediately by a barbituate. i don't care if you personally spayed them. they are feral. animal control will pick them up, or someone will trap them and take them there to halt property damage.

or maybe they'll die first.
>If they hurt a cat I will not react well.
the kind of person that will, will kill you if you fight.

>>99283485
Holy fucking reddit. You know we've been doing this since ancient rome, right?
https://study.com/academy/lesson/dogs-ancient-rome-history-uses-breeds.html
If not from the start, because dogs self domesticated and had basically nothing like todays "working breeds" for the first 20-30 thousand years of their history

Indeed, if anything, today's dogs are actually more useful. Even toy breeds are highly effective alarms and living in a neighborhood with dogs, any dogs, of any size and breed, significantly reduces your likelihood of being a victim of violent or property crime. Deshawn and mccormick the professional burglars don't care how big the dog is, they care if someone looks over and sees them doing something they shouldn't - or if someone is home and is extra jumpy (and armed) at the combination between their noise and the dog. Dog owners also live longer and are more likely to marry. Did you ever stop to think that the dogs are still here after ~40,000 years because they are getting MORE useful, not less? Like here, they are an effective sociopath filter. We took this naturally occurring companion animal and selectively bred it to be MORE effective at triggering the empathy response in normally functioning (AKA correct, superior, better-than-you, etc) human beings. That is not so women can not have kids. It is so women can tell how evil their kids father is. A woman can not resist the cock, and if she can it's not because of dogs! It's because of hormonal birth control, that literally turns off the pair bonding instinct.

>inb4 what are cats for
The same thing overly cute sociopath filter dogs are for. But for people who are lower status and can't afford a more useful dog.

>>99284108
you sound like a fag. pitbulls rule, i hope one eats your child in front of you.

>>99283527
There is research showing that slaughterhouses correlate with crime by means of crime correlating with socioeconomic class. The odor depresses property values and the work is difficult and hazardous with poor pay. Also, guess what the worker demographics are like.

The rest, however, is bullshit. There have never been any studies except on inmate populations, which only reveals your typical “IQ score and other factors” correlations much like religosity and IQ only correlate as far as demographics and religosity. And then the truth comes out - jews and anglicans are more intelligent than atheists on average. Wonder why? The closest to well controlled any study has gotten was a correlation between SES and hunting (as it is cheaper than buying meat). And even if we did find it is not demographics, that would only necessitate improving slaughterhouse conditions and breeding livestock that are too ugly and inexpressive to bother people, much like humane euthanasia is not a crime but beating a cat to death with a stick is.

>>99283527
It's more that we're angry that some fucking retard thinks an animal that is 1/4 as smart as a chihuahua "appreciates the freedom" if intruding on my property to FUCKING SHIT AND PISS ON MY. FUCKING. PROPERTY.

So I shoot them and say "raccoons". Or I leave out poison and say "raccoons". Or I get a cheap shitbull, leave it in my backyard for a night, and say "was concerned about burglars and raccoons". And then, they get the message, that cats do not belong outside, because if they let them outside, I will gladly kill their worthless fucking vermin animal

>catfags:
>CATS ARE THE SMARTEST
>AND THE WISEST
>THEY ARE APEX PREDATORS
>NOTHING SHOULD FUCK WITH THEM
>IF IT DOES ITS BROKEN
>Coyotes, wolves, eagles, jackals, foxes, pumas, owls, dogs, raccoons, and radiator leaks: Are you stupid?
All wrong. Keep your retarded mesopredator vermin off my fucking property so I can stop leaving antifreeze out. The retards with the alley dog figured this out after dog 1 died. Why can't catfags accept YOUR STUPID FUCKING VERMIN ANIMAL DOES NOT APPRECIATE FREEDOM, IT IS NOT A PERSON, IT IS A DUMB SOULLESS AUTOMATON FOLLOWING ITS INSTINCTS THAT YOU COULD KEEP SATED WITH A BALL OF STRING FFS

AMMO AND ANTIFREEZE IS EXPENSIVE AND I AM TIRED OF WASTING IT.
CATS ARE NOT A HIGHER ANIMAL. THEY ARE WORTHLESS. FUCKING. VERMIN. STOP TREATING THEM LIKE ROYALTY, SO I CAN STOP FUCKING KILLING THEM!

>/vt/ thread
>look inside
>schizophrenic ramblings about animals

>>99283485
>>99283527
>>99283538
>cat people when mittens slaughters field mice, birds, and lizards that were not just existing totally harmlessly, but eating bugs and helping clean the environment: YASSS QUEEN SLAY!
>cat people when dogs are abused or killed: STUPID STINKING SHIT EATING MUTT! DOGS ARE STUPID! CATS ARE SMART! DOGS ARE SLAVES BECAUSE I ENSLAVE THEM AND CATS CAN CHOOSE FREEDOM BECAUSE I LET THEM!
>cat people when rats, birds, and other animals are killed: WHO CARES NATURE LOL

>cat people when their cat is ran over by a car because they let it roam outside their property: THE DRIVER NEEDS TO BE TRIED FOR FELONY ANIMAL CRUELTY HE SHOULD HAVE FUCKING STOPPED
>cat people when other animals kill cats that their owners let roam outside their property: FUCKING EXTERMINATE THESE WORTHLESS MEAT BAGS OR A CHILD WILL BE NEXT
>cat people when people kill the roaming cats: PUT HIM IN FUCKING JAIL OR I WILL PERSONALLY KILL HIM!

Hypocrites.

>>99283485
This: >>99283499
>Consider building your own.
I've done that a couple of times. You can get very creative with it and then you have something in your house that looks exactly the way you want it to look. Plus, bragging rights for building your own.

These mass-produced cat trees are usually very cheap and rickety. The last couple I built were about 7 feet tall, and had at least one, long angled post from the top platform down to the ground, approximately at 60° angle. Cats can run up and down that post to access the entire tree, and they love that option. I found it's best to dedicate one corner of a room to my cats, so the trees I made tucked into 90° corners quite neatly, with a base footprint about 4 feet x 2 feet. Vacuum the area once a month, it will need it. Don't wash (often), especially with soap, since it destroys the scent marks.

Use natural wood for exposed surfaces, like cedar siding with a rough finish. Cats love the feel under their paws, especially the parts they use for scratching or rubbing their cheeks on. Posts don't have to be round, they can be pieces of plywood cut and shaped into triangular (or square, or pentagon, etc.) cross-sections. Leave uncovered for a raw wood surface exposed, or tack different pieces of carpet in place for different textures. And, you can certainly wrap sections with sisal rope.

I've boiled raw, new sisal rope in a large pot before (sometimes twice) to reduce the chemicals & stink. Wet rope will wrap & stretch very tight, then get even tighter as it dries. You can also bring water to a boil, then stuff the pot with catnip and let it steep. Soak the rope in this catnip tea while it cools, even let it sit for a day. It will hold enough catnip scent to interest most cats for a couple of years. Catnip grows around my property in dozens of large bushes, so I always have about ten or 15 grocery sacks full of premium catnip every year ... lots to make tea with and soak toys & string & rope & wine corks in.

>>99283538
>>4656662
>My ___ escaped
If YOUR animal is on MY FUCKING PROPERTY, it is the pest. Period. I don't see species beyond disposal concerns.

Dog on my property? Unless it looks like its worth money, is wearing a GPS collar, and is too big to dispose of, i kill it.
Cat? Dead.
Rat? Dead.
Lizard? Dead.
Bird? Dead.

I have killed ~80 dogs in the past 5 years. All of them were pitbulls. My dogs have killed triple digits in cats and other small vermin. Rural life.

second cat = second baby

>>99283613
>non, if you did what your cats are doing you'd be sectioned for being mentally ill
pest animals are not covered under psychopathy. fuck, animals PERIOD aren't. only if you are torturing certain domesticated animals that share some strong empathy cues with us does anyone even think it's worth looking into - and only looking into, not a strong diagnosis on the spot. in fact, most cultures sanction and encourage certain forms of torture for certain animals, and no one has ever batted an eye because you're only mentally ill if you do that to your own reproductively compatible, infinitely useful species. psychology is strictly darwinian in nature and any deviation from this is an aggressive act against the host culture.
> You're responsible for their actions in the same way a dog owner is held responsible for having an aggressive dog.
Nobody gives one single fuck if your "aggressive" dog is going around killing rabbits and other pests. Even feral cats fall under the "who cares, nature" umbrella for a lot of people, and they fight each other too so you'd understand. So no.
>You have the sensibilities of a nigger, completely incapable of perceiving yourself as part of a larger problem
You are mixing racism with the fact that you are a vegan AKA mentally ill. Animals aren't people. They don't have the same moral value, and often have zero.

Oh wait, you ARE a vegan correct? Otherwise your post is pure nonsense, and if you are, I will just look at you like anyone would look at a schizophrenic spiritual nutjob who hasn't realized that the Lord God and our savior Jesus Christ are truth.

My cat WILL slaughter the worthless fucking vermin that is crawling and shitting all over my property and because of your crying libtard bullshit, I think I'll buy a pellet rifle and help him out. Thanks.

WIR MUSSEN SIE RATTEN AUSROTTEN!

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>>99283613
OP I'm going to teach you a cheat code of how to get your cat to stay on your property even if you let it outside without an enclosure: It's all about how you feed it. Only feed the cat when you come home from work or school every day. Keep the food and bowl inside your house, but then place the bowl on your doorstep just outside your house after you fill it up to let the cat eat. Keep its water in a fountain bubbler outside near its food bowl as well. It helps if you have a front porch or some other awning so the cat can eat there even when it's raining. This will train the cat to wait for you in your driveway every day instead of roaming. It will associate your car with food and hang around the car. You should also insist that it wear a collar with an airtag or some other GPS tracking device if it's going to live outside. This way you can go retrieve it if it ever does try to roam away from your property. It also helps if you have trees on your property so it can scratch those instead of roaming away to find them. Basically you have to give the cat everything it could possibly want on your property so it won't go looking for it somewhere else.

Adoption Programs: Some organizations run barn cat adoption programs, where feral or semi-feral cats are paired with farmers or rural property owners. These programs provide a home for cats in need while offering valuable pest control services to the property owner.

Health Care: It's essential to ensure that barn cats receive basic veterinary care, such as vaccinations and spaying or neutering, to maintain their health and prevent overpopulation.

Socialization: Over time, some barn cats can become more social with humans, especially if they are exposed to positive interactions from an early age. However, they often retain their strong hunting instincts.

In summary, barn cats are unsung heroes of rural environments, helping to keep pest populations in check and contributing to the overall well-being of farms and barns. Their adaptability, resilience, and hunting skills make them valuable members of the agricultural community.

These posts are AI generated. I just wanted to post some depictions of, and info related to, Barn cats

>>99283485
>feral cats transmit parasites that cause miscarriage
This is bullshit but I wish it were true. Fuck knows we need less humans in the world, not more. But here's a tip, if you're worried: people invented this thing called "soap" that does a really great job of removing stuff like bacteria and viruses from your skin. Give it a try!

>>99283527
>>99283538
>you cross my property line you get 3 rounds of 5.56 nato center mass
Yeah that's cute but in the real world, you go to prison for shooting someone just because they "crossed your property". Like I said, it's not necessary anyway. If your dog is a problem or seems like it will become one, literally all anyone has to do is toss some chocolate into your yard. Don't even have to get out of the car for this simple trick, much less entering your property.

You can avoid this by being a responsible dog owner and/or not making the morally incorrect choice of owning the wrong breed of dog.

>>99283687
They literally voted that shit skin to be the mayor of London and British people act SHOCKED that this shit skin is voting for more Muslims and Migrants to come to the country.

And another reason British people are retarded they actively support a cat's right to trespass and cause property damage. I'm not joking they have it into actual law that people's pet cats CAN directly specifically show up on your property and destroy it with its waste, claws, etc. In the literal sense it's expressively enshrined into LAW that it is illegal that you defend your property from all cats be they roaming free pet cats, strays, ferals. You are expected to behave like a punching bag and let all the damage happen. You offend a cat and those faggot British people will arrest you.

This is why I don't feel sorry for them and I hope the Migrant situation and Muslim situation leads to their invasion, doom, and extinction.

It's always stupid white people who are the biggest worshipers of cats. Good thing it's also white people who have the WORST birthrates on Earth. The less whites the better to start eliminating the cat simps from the human species. And I don't care how that sounds.

>>99283727
I see what you mean. Yeah, you're probably right that it's more in my head than anything as far as them making any sort of meaningful impact.
I do still wonder if keeping a tidy enough space in a barn with limited crevices would lend to a cat being the most effective, as well as if there are untested layouts/architectures that would give them the best shot of living up to their potential, but that's neither here nor there.

Owls will hunt during the day on occasion for a handful of reasons, and if you've got them living on your property then it just feels like taking precaution to ensure that the first place they check on their route isn't unprotected would be a smart move. I've had some remarkably dumb birds that have tried to nest in weird areas outside of their coop and become immediate owl food. A turkey should help with the general hawk and raptor issue as well. Some people online have even mentioned their turkeys getting into scraps with eagles and keeping them at bay.

If I had a turkey that fought eagles and a cat that fought woodchucks, I would be filming that shit every chance I got. That sounds intense and like I should be studying what I'm doing to create such hardened animals, haha. I'd feel obligated at that point to just lean into it and get a tough, coyote killing dog to really round out my violent family.

>>99283727
The Turkey(s) aren't for rats, we got them to protect the chickens from the barn owls. It has worked out pretty well. They also aren't bad with helping deter raccoons.
A great horned or gray would be beautiful, but yeah, they would certainly cause more issues, haha.
I'm under no illusion that I like barn cats for their looks and occasional company, because you're completely right about food storage and general organization/cleanliness being the largest factors. I just didn't find it fair to say that cats are completely ineffectual as a rule.

I'm also aware that my cat is likely an outlier, since she just wandered into our property one day and was already a killer by that point. I've probably fixated on her wins to boot, coloring my take with some flavor of confirmation bias.

As a side note, I only recently found Joseph Carter's mink channel. Ratting with mink and ferrets is incredibly cool. I didn't even realize mustelids could be trained like that. Apparently they've been used for ratting since at least the 19th century.

>>99283687
>>4604538
They make a decent first line of defense, but certainly aren't a solution once it's escalated to being a real problem. I'm also partial to attracting a barn owl to your property if you can. It does mean you'll have to avoid rat poisons and integrate a turkey into your flock if you've got poultry, but it feels good if you can maintain that equilibrium.

Gaurd dogs are also pretty shit. Either they're easily won over with treats, or they're so territorial and aggressive that having guests is pain and they'll go crazy at every sound. If they're for in-home defense, any criminal that couldn't be done in with a baseball bat could easily wreck a dog. They function as a deterrent for wild animals and criminals at best, and as a minimal first line of defense, akin to a barn cat against mice/rats. Dogs also do also have the additional utility of being a cute intrusion detection system, but if you're attentive to your barn cat situation and they're fat or you've got multiple self-sustaining cats, it might be an indicator.
(A ratting dog might also do a better job at active hunting, but cats don't need the same level of supervision and encouragement to be a passive control)

A persistent pest won't be hindered by either, is what I'm trying to say.
Just some counterpoints. None of what I said are undsiputed absolutes and I'm not trying to insinuate that your experience is wrong. Most of my statements are also primarily personal experience, so quite literally:
>Source: My Ass

>>99283727
Most of the time it boils down to irresponsible cat "owners" who insist they're doing nothing wrong, much like pitbulls.
No one is railing against the true utility of something like a barn cat or a gaurd dog, so long as their destructive power is respected. The people who willingly put other animals in danger because of their blind love of the animals is frequently the biggest issue.

The most vocal urban/suburban outdoor cat owners see no problem with allowing their cat to shit on other people's property or to decimate native wildlife and will go so far as to chimp out when someone shoots a trespassing cat, which is a level of audacity akin to being upset at another owner when your murderhound fucks up a ratdog at the dog park. Dog owner discourse even has that nuance of specific breeds being shunned because their difficulty isn't appreciated properly. When a cat has an attitude issue, it is far more likely to be dismissed.

I love birds, that's my animal of choice. I buy cat deterrents, because I'm adverse to killing them outright if it can be avoided. It should be understandable that someone would be upset that they have to put in so much effort to keep someone else's pet at bay. If I find out that a neighbor is feeding a feral population, you bet your ass I'm reporting them.

Cats have a predatory instinct and will kill things even if they aren't hungry. Don't be ignorant to your impact on the world around you.

It goes a step further when some people just flat don't like even indoor cats. Maybe it's their bad habits or poor hygiene of owners. Could even be a series of bad experiences that soured someone on them. That one can't really be helped except by therapy or exposure to good cats/owners. A friendly, clean, and well trained animal is all you need to change someone's opinion on the animal itself.
When you ask people who don't just dislike bad dog owners, but all dogs in general, what are the reasons they cite?

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>>99283809
Most of the time it boils down to irresponsible cat "owners" who insist they're doing nothing wrong, much like pitbulls.
No one is railing against the true utility of something like a barn cat or a gaurd dog, so long as their destructive power is respected. The people who willingly put other animals in danger because of their blind love of the animals is frequently the biggest issue.

The most vocal urban/suburban outdoor cat owners see no problem with allowing their cat to shit on other people's property or to decimate native wildlife and will go so far as to chimp out when someone shoots a trespassing cat, which is a level of audacity akin to being upset at another owner when your murderhound fucks up a ratdog at the dog park. Dog owner discourse even has that nuance of specific breeds being shunned because their difficulty isn't appreciated properly. When a cat has an attitude issue, it is far more likely to be dismissed.

I love birds, that's my animal of choice. I buy cat deterrents, because I'm adverse to killing them outright if it can be avoided. It should be understandable that someone would be upset that they have to put in so much effort to keep someone else's pet at bay. If I find out that a neighbor is feeding a feral population, you bet your ass I'm reporting them.

Cats have a predatory instinct and will kill things even if they aren't hungry. Don't be ignorant to your impact on the world around you.

It goes a step further when some people just flat don't like even indoor cats. Maybe it's their bad habits or poor hygiene of owners. Could even be a series of bad experiences that soured someone on them. That one can't really be helped except by therapy or exposure to good cats/owners. A friendly, clean, and well trained animal is all you need to change someone's opinion on the animal itself.
When you ask people who don't just dislike bad dog owners, but all dogs in general, what are the reasons they cite?

>>99283917
I don't hate the animal itself, it's more the owner
>Lets their cat roam around freely unsupervised and puts up a massive fit when their cat doesn't come back/gets ran over/mauled by a coyote
>Doesn't give a fuck about local wildlife (oh Mr. Sniffles killed 20 birds this week, but he needs to go outside!)
>Don't give a shit if their cat comes into your property and shits all over the place

>>99283980
>RATS AND MICE RUN FROM MICE WE KNOW BECAUSE WHEN YOU PUT A MOUSE 1 FOOT AWAY FROM A PUDDLE OF CAT PISS IT AVOIDS IT
This only could only work if nearly every surface of your home has cat piss on it. And regardless, that mouse just moves away from the immediate area, digs a din, and reproduces. Mice raised near cats do not grow up to fear them.

Cats are good pets but haven't earned any worship whatsoever

Just keep them as pets, INDOOR pets, so they live long happy lives without bothering other people.

Who dares call himself the master of the cat? You. If you own a cat, master it. Train it, keep it inside, and make it a good pet, instead of wasting your time and your cat's good heath trying to make it do a job when it has never once been selectively bred as to do any job at all. You would have better luck setting foxes and weasels out on your property because they actually dig into burrows and kill the rodents that are hiding.

They also kill chickens, so build a metal-floored coop and don't free range them. Chicken manure attracts rats anyways.

>>99284440
okay but what does this have to do with Gura's cats

Another animal. Cats are prey. If you let them roam, predators find them eventually. The britfags had a scare like this but it was just foxes eating cats because they’re the superior small predator.

It could also just be a leaky radiator, or poison meant for a different animal like a rat.

Keep your cats on your own property

>>99283975
No, you're a great owner

It only pisses off low IQ trump voters and immigrants. Everyone else thinks its cute. It's a great retard filter.
>Dog begs
>muh momma said muh dadda said muh momma said that a dog muh momma said that dogs arent supposed to beg because because they they're they're dirty and back on the farm and back on back on the farm muh brotha had a dog and it it begged from the table and my daddy spanked my brotha and then then then he spanked the doggy and...
>>99283980
Dogs have an analogue to the area of the human brain that understands language, but not for the one that processes it. The only way we know one particular dog understood simple grammar and 1000 words is because they were also a clingy food/toy whore. As far as we know, all dogs are like that, or that's dumb for a dog, and they just aren't motivated enough to make it obvious to us. Considering how smart rats are with the bare minimum of brain it's likely that a lot more thought than we previously assumed is very basic mammal shit and a lot of humans are no smarter than a talking dog with a god complex and a hardon for patterns. Maybe a talking cat, knowing how dumb some people are.
>human concept of the world: I (cause) -> effects -> world -> I -> effects -> world -> effects....
>most animals maybe. including all other primates: World (cause) -> effects -> I.

>>99283999
it isn’t a big deal because the cat owners job is to keep their pet on their property, not the dog owners job to totally neuter their pet carnivore so it doesn’t hunt for meat.
is your cat a problem if your neighbors let budgie flies over and gets eaten?
is it suddenly different if it’s a rabbit ot a rat instead of a cat?
if your pet fly lands in my koi pond is it a big deal?

no bro you see the dogfags are right and they have to be familiar with this because there are laws that outright instruct farmers to shoot and kill the most harmless dogs just for standing near sheep, because if one breaks its leg the rancher loses more profit than an adult dog is worth. even though ranchers benefit from massive subsidies and tend to make millions over a short career.

>>99283999
I've never known someone who truly hated cats, like they didn't want to be anywhere near them and wanted to kill them no exceptions or abused cats at every opportunity (then again I don't browse reddit like you)

I know a lot of people who hold cats and cat owners to higher standards than "do whatever the fuck you want" however, and on /an/ i've seen people simply deny that cats are super smart or excellent pest control, and to the more histrionic and low test cat owners, that is the same as "hating cats".

On /an/ its like
>You should keep your cat inside so they don't die and litter other peoples property with feces and corpses
>Oh and put your litterbox in an enclosed patio or in the basement not your kitchen or living room thats gross. And scoop it every day.
>If you have mice or rats you should get rid of them the normal way so you and your cat don't get sick.
>YOU FUCKING HATE CATS THIS IS A CAT WEBSITE GO THE FUCK AWAY FUCKING CAT HATER YOU FUCK DOGS. CATS ARE FREE DOGS ARE SLAVES CATS DOGS DOGS DOGS DOGS DOGS

>>99283999
you could leave a bird feeder on your property, squirls use those as well. maaaybe they can see you re-filling it and care
but as wild animals they don't really have time to hang out
i'm not a vegan, but, maybe don't smell like charred flesh and instead smell like nuts and barries, might help with hand feeding them
and certainly don't smell like your pet cat or dog

>>99283999
>If we know their limits we won't expect too much of them, which in turn is important for their welfare. I am not trying to say cats are stupid, just they are different. We are so anthropomorphic we can't see the world through their eyes."
As always 4chan is ahead of the curve and predicts mainstream culture

By 2030 it will be seen as animal abuse to expect your cat to be anything but a recreational companion animal and having a cat outside of your property or a designated off-leash cat area without a leash will be a crime.

Toxo deaths will plummet. Just like thousands of years ago, people would have miscarriages and blind children from parasites spread by free ranging dogs, and no one cared then, because "dogs belong outside because they are free and need to be free, just pray to god to avoid bad spirits", today's "cats need to be free you fuckin...dog sex enthusiast! everyone should just have perfect hygiene and food safety!" will be seen as ridiculous.

>>99284034
Cats and dogs are cute pets, but can people please stop pretending they are useful or really love you?
>muh heckin doggo protects my property! muh heckin doggo hunts, muh heckin doggo herds!
No, if your heckin doggo is that aggressive they will objectively bite more innocent people and be put down before defending you from anything. If they hunt, you would get more food and eat less with a gun instead of another mouth to feed, and unless you run a multimillion dollar ranch a fence is more effective than a dog.
>muh kitterino exterminates the heck rattos
No, cats have never been able to do this, or they would eat one of their most important food sources into extinction. Cats and rodents live in harmony. They're only a danger to rare songbirds in australia.
>muh heckin dog loves me because i am the alpha and command respect!
No, your dog is a self interested and manipulative animal that thinks it is exploiting you for food. At the most it is afraid to leave because it's used to you and is afraid of new things.
>muh heckin kitty CHOSE me because cats are independent and don't need us!
Cats are domesticated animals that are not able to survive well in the wild without a nearby human settlement to mooch off. All domesticated animals need humans to survive because they are smaller, dumber, and do not respond to threats correctly. Like the dog it mostly stays by you due to food and familiarity. I am sure either pet could chose to live without you and just eat trash and vermin like all the lone strays wandering around the third world.

>>99284034
>put litterboxes outside
>keep your cats inside
>one or the other pal.
You put it on the balcony retard. If you're too poor to have a balcony you build one out from a window you rarely use. Welcome to pet ownership. You need to modify your property. Dogs need fences cats need balconies.
>Febreeze
Double retard. No one wants to smell ammonia piss and rendered organ meat shits mixed with febreeze.

>>99284034
Cats are good animals but bad pets. They were never meant to be pets. It's not their niche, and there is no way you can keep them that does not sit somewhere in a triangle between amoral, filthy, and expensive. They're as good of a pet as a fucking fox or other wild animal because the extent of their domestication was just making them slower, dumber, and fatter.

They are meant to be a free roaming city vermin like a pigeon in their natural range. Unowned, uncared for. Just part of the human ecosystem. You may run into one, and then the next day it will be food for someone's dog or a starving hobo. Circle of life and all that. They aren't like dogs, which are closer to citizenry, or birds and fish, which are purely property. We just never really domesticated them for it.

I'm sure there are some cats that are out of the norm and behave like a civilized animal should but because of feral cat "culture" this trait hasn't been selected for, it melts in and out of the population at random.

>>99284054
>some rando: Insults anon's mum
>anti-catfag: *insanity*
why are they like this

At least if I say "I hope your cat dies" the insanity is relatively sane, like "no I hope your mum dies" but if you insult a mum its like

>>some rando: insult cat
>>catfag: *insanity*
>why are they like this
>at least if i say "i hope your dog dies" the insanity is relatively sane, like "no i hope you die fag" but if you insult a cat its like
>>whats that you say? you drink dog semen for breakfast? you bathe in bird shit? i hope your parents are gutted alive in front of you. you should be impaled and your liver eaten out of your writhing body by jaguars. when you die, i will deny your spirit rest, i will cut your remains into a thousand pieces and scatter them far away from your homeland. i will slaughter every father, uncle, brother, and cousin of yours that can be found and your women shall be arranged to be married to your enemies and forced to bear their children, never again carrying your name or any that can be connected to you. your bloodline will be struck from record, and in its place the world shall only know that nothing of value was lost. your property will be immolated and the ashes dumped in the sewers, and your name shall become an insult for centuries to come.

>>99284132
Don't do this if your cat is capable of venturing beyond your property. Do you have a yard your cat can not escape?

If you can get other cats in your yard, then you must not. Do you want your cat to be one of those strays? All it takes for your cat to meet their end within the average lifespan for cats that are allowed to roam (2-4 years) is...
A hungry dog
A hungry coyote
A hungrier raccoon or fox
A hungry bobcat
A bird of prey that's feeling ballsy
Baited meat left out overnight for wild, pests in someone elses pet-free property that shouldn't have been an issue
A leaky radiator or a pan of automotive fluids that was left out by someone who has a fenced yard and no pets of their own, that shouldn't have been an issue
A pool of antifreeze or baited meat that was put there intentionally to kill someone elses dog, but happened to be to a cats tastes as well
A driver who just isn't slamming on the brakes for a cat
An angry person who just caught your cat as the third that day scratching/pissing on patio furniture or digging in their garden
A larger, angrier cat who happens to have FIV/FIP or just a lot of tenacity in fighting
A nonhuman primate with a sadistic streak

>>99284145
>hunt and feed themselves like a carnivore should.
Dogs aren't carnivores. Cats are, though.
Dogs are omnivores and can eat just about anything, but cats should be heavily discouraged from eating non-meat products.

>>99284132
t's not the pitbulls, it's literally every dog. Small cats are naturally a food source for canines and even golden retrievers and labs will eat them. It's not aggression, it's closer to play+feeding behavior and the dogs behave exactly like someone threw a piece of cheese in front of them. You are basically a rabbit owner in a civilization where it is preferred to go on walks with your falcon bro flying around overhead like a kite. You have to pick your cat up if there's a dog on the sidewalk coming up.

Surely you knew this, since /an/ is so full of catfags who paste entire autism essays about how they hate dogs, make up larps about killing dogs, and live in fantasy lands where they can cope by pretending every dog owner is fucking it? Fuck, history itself is riddled with catfags who HATE dogs. Did it ever occur to you their motivation might be a little stronger than getting barked at while checking the mail?

Dogs fuck up cats. Almost all of them. A dog may be socialized with its own cat, and still eat strange cats, and even defend its own cat like its property and totally slaughter intruding cats with that as a motivation.

The only special thing about pitbulls is they also do that to large cats, other dogs, people, and bears and don't give you as much warning.

>>99283980
Literally every medium to large carnivore eats cats like candy so you're saying your cat has no competition and is therefore a destructive invasive species

Keep it on your property. Especially off mine. I am also civilized that's why I don't want other peoples animals digging around and shitting in MY dirt, especially after I spent hundreds of dollars on designated shitting dirt.

>>99284034
If a rat can be happy going in and out of a cage, and a dog can he happy in a hobo's cardboard box, as long as they can leave and go places with you, then so can a cat.

The only stipulation is the animal must leave the apartment with you a few times every day. WITH you. Not roaming alone. Roaming pets are wild animals like raccoons and foxes and are defacto food for each other and all other animals.

>>99274446
There's a piece of shit street cat with ill eyes who breaks into my backyard and pisses everywhere and bothers my own cats. I've thrown loud firecrackers right at his face and drenched him in cold water at least 5 times and chased him with a stick and even full force kicked him straight in the ribs when he was chasing my cat one time, he ended up a good 5 meters away, yet he still keeps coming back, every single day. Now he surpassed the limit by getting into my home while the window was open and trying to beat up my elderly female cat, she pissed herself out of fear.
I will kill this cat. How should I do it? Caveman style with my iron tipped alpenstock? Gladiator style where I trap him in a net and then crush him with a rock? Poison is obviously not a choice I have my own cats roaming and there's many innocent neighbourhood cats who like to hand around in my property.

>>99284054
Correct. Because I am a responsible cat owner who values cleanliness and health, my cat shits outside, but they also can't leave my property unless they are on a leash so I can keep them safe and keep animals safe from them.

So indeed, I don't smell anything.

You need a large backyard with room for a catio or extensive escape-proofing to own a cat, just like you need a large outdoor kennel or a tall fence to own a dog. But because cats are dumber and smaller than dogs they don't need as much space and attention.

>>99282782
no, that doesn't work.
https://petkeen.com/will-mice-leave-if-they-smell-cat/
>If mice react with terror at the scent of a cat, why don’t they leave the house if a cat is in it? The answer can vary, but the shortest and most direct answer is that mice can fit into places that cats cannot. You may not see mice in the same part of your home that your cat frequents. But mice are resourceful and can find other areas to live in safely.
>If you have a mouse in your kitchen and your cat is usually in the living room, the mouse doesn’t detect as much danger and can find small places in which to curl up and hide. Even though the cat may enter the room, the mouse feels secure enough in their established domain to not be pushed out of the home. If the mouse lives in a hole in the wall or a cabinet, they will know that the cat can’t reach them in these places.

https://www.livescience.com/7494-cat-urine-mice-macho.html
>Unexpectedly, two months of cat odor did not lead to cowering mice, as one might expect from constant threatening. Instead, researchers found it led to aggressive males. These were more than twice as likely fight with other mice than rodents exposed to rabbit urine for the same amount of time.
>And such combative males smelled delectable to females. When presented with male pee, females that were in heat spent more time sniffing urine from males exposed to cat odor for weeks than ones that had inhaled rabbit fumes.

cats have never been rodent control. they are just pets. you may think they are rodent control because the mice hide from the cat, but mice and rats are still present and their population is growing as long as they have a food source, a water source, and a hiding place. they can still breed and feed outside your property and come back in as well.

>>99284132
if they killed so many rats why are there still rats? don't waste your money.

>>99284214
This is partially your fault
>wont someone call 911
You like cats. Therefore you must know that outdoor cats suffer and indoor and backyard-only pet cats do not. Therefore if you like cats you must be motivated to get outdoor cats to shelters so they can be adopted and made into pets. Therefore, your failure to contact an animal help organization and get these cats neutered, vaccinated, and adopted out as pets is the cause of this. That is all you have to do, is get them to a shelter. Even if they die it will be a kinder and more peaceful death than what awaits them naturally - starvation, parasites, having some amount of their body crushed by a 3000lb car, being eaten by other animals, being mauled by another cat, FIV, FIP, rabies, etc.

The apartment complex management on the other hand has no business/logical reason to care because all things considered there is very little difference between cats and rats. Both animals are sweet, loving, small furry mammals and make great pets despite having very little utility beyond that, but if they are not supervised the multiply and damage/contaminate everything and there is no real, proven reason to let them be like that. The parasites they spread are awful and range from random tapeworms to one that is known to cause stillbirths, miscarriages, and fetal deformities if a pregnant woman touches a patch of dirt a feral cat has shit in. They also kill for fun and the extra corpses are never fully consumed because cats won't eat meat that's more than a week old, but the leftovers do attract other animals.
>r-rats hunt cockroaches so they're helping, actually!

Your prior "solutions" have only prolonged the problem. So it's you against someone who wants a clean and orderly property that isn't a little hotspot of needless animal death and suffering (AKA nature) that benefits exactly 0 people.

Get in touch with a rescue/shelter. Trap the cats. Send them away.

>>99284214
Yes they literally do that
I have 3 cats and they all spend the day walking around and sleeping in my backyard (which is more like a small patch of forest), sometimes catching lizards and hanging out with neighbour cats
They stay the hell away from roads because they know that cars are dangerous. They don't even get close to the gates that connect my property to the roads. I never had to teach them to not go into the roads, they know that there are big fast loud things there and so they don't go there. Same thing applies to all the neighbour cats.
You probably have no idea because you keep your cats enslaved in your city shithole and breathe in the miasma from the litter box making you retarded.

>>99274645
>If someone is feeding a stray and you send it to a shelter are you in deep shit
NO!

animals on your property can be legally removed from your property, and then you may contact the owner about a lost pet, or send it to the shelter so the owner can find it there. if it's their cat the shelter will return it at their expense. this is only theft if you are somewhere that explicitly allows pets, like a fenced park or a cat daycare, or take it from their property.

the only thing you can not do is kill them if they are not menacing livestock. if you had quail or young ducks/chickens/rabbits, you could lawyer up and use agriculture laws to justify shooting them (agriculture laws in the US, and many places, are severely outdated and culturally, rationally, and morally backwards so you can legally shoot a dog who is sitting down 3 feet from its owner if they are off leash and have a line of sight on a single sheep, and if they ever changed farmers would sue the state and demand more subsidies - somehow that makes sense even if you were one day away from personally bleeding the sheep to death in accordance with some barbaric raghead shit), but otherwise all you can do is grab the cat and send it to the shelter because that is simply where stray animals go.

Even in the metro surrounding seattle where we're all liberal cat and lapdog owners, it's legal.
>It shall be lawful for any person who shall see any dog or dogs chasing, biting, injuring or killing any sheep, swine or other domestic animal, including poultry, belonging to such person, on any real property owned or leased by, or under the control of, such person, or on any public highway, to kill such dog or dogs, and it shall be the duty of the owner or keeper of any dog or dogs so found chasing, biting or injuring any domestic animal, including poultry, upon being notified of that fact by the owner of such domestic animals or poultry, to thereafter keep such dog or dogs in leash or confined upon the premises of the owner or keeper thereof, and in case any such owner or keeper of a dog or dogs shall fail or neglect to comply with the provisions of this section, it shall be lawful for the owner of such domestic animals or poultry to kill such dog or dogs found running at large.

>>99284257
>fiv/fip fair point
>injury from other cats/ human dog predation
not the case where I live
>birds
she knows that big birds can kill her so she hides when she sees one
feline common sense
>badgers
never seen one
>foxes
they go out at night
my cat stays in at night
>automoblies
not the case where I live
>cats dont get rid of rats
HAHAHAH HAHAH
yes they do
>They do intrude on others property and get eaten/shot for killing their desired birds and shitting and pissing in their gardens however, just like roaming dogs

USA? Sorry but we dont like guns here in europ

Also my cat is trained not to shit in gardens and not to piss on houses
She poops and pees in the forest

>>99284257
Once again. Im not the schizo.

I dont go to reddit.

>Letting cats outside is animal abuse btw
How so? Thats just some schizo bullshit that applies only for cities and town centres. I live in an suburbs of a small town in central europe. My cat isnt in danger when outside.
Also I've got a cat because I dont want any mice in my garage. I dont want birds in my garden. I want other cats off of my property. My cat has a job and she gets food and shelter for doing it. She is usefull. And cute.

>>99284214
Unironically, a crow-based detection system would be rad and I would be curious as to how that may play out. My family would get a turkey or two to keep with the chickens to protect them from from raccoons and barn owls. They were easily integrated into the flock. Raccoons, coyotes, cats, and foxes are a much bigger threat than raptors, imo. Those fuckers will find any opening into the coop and go crazy.

You may also be able to find some way of tracking raptors via a local audubon society or ornithological society, but I doubt that will be super helpful. If you search online, there are some people that have a specific 'call' or alarm they can trigger that the birds are trained to respond to by running inside. You may be able to merge that crow idea with the 'take cover' training by using a crow distress call that is sometimes used to flush out turkeys when hunting, that way when you do attract crows to the property, the ducks already know what to do.

>chatgpt thread

>>99284132
>final post
>no now the final post
Your cat suffers outside.
Your cat causes unnatural suffering outside.
The animals your cat killed (birds) were preventing further suffering by eating bugs.
Your outdoor cat spreads a disease that causes miscarriages and infant deaths.

Abusing a cat? You're abusing birds, lizards, wild rodents, anyone who gets toxo, and anyone who is bit by the bugs those birds would have ate. That was your decision. If you never had the cat, or never let it outside, it never would have happened.

But you did it, because your cat was bored and you were too lazy to interact with them. You sent them outside because the meowing noise pissed you off.

And now, your cat is dead.

>4. I am mad that people have property rights
Average IQ of thailand: 88.87. Figures.

>>99284034
A cat literally can not appreciate freedom. We bred them to be even dumber than an animal that already had a dubious consciousness.

Indoor cats are perfectly happy if their stimulation needs are met. A cat does not understand "explore", anything that makes their brain release dopamine will do. A cat does not care if it patrols territory over a whole city or in your house as long as it gets to. A cat does not care if it hides in an alley or behind your couch. It's all the same thing to its tiny brain. But in your house, it doesn't have to legitimately fear for its life or get the shit beat out of it by an angry cat.

You have to understand. Their minds are not filled with hope or expectations. Just compulsion.

>You are just a thing of nature. You are no more valuable than a bug and no more precious than a cat . The sun does not shine on only you but on everything on earth .
If you believe this then I'm sure you won't mind if you, your family, and your entire people are wiped out with a US/Chinese made bioweapon so your country can be turned into a wildlife preserve. there are already humans, and you can run away, this is just nature, humans are stewards of the planet and you aren't special so having wildlife in your place is fine. Humans are just doing what humans do by killing other humans. Stellar logic right? No.

Your cat can do what it wants on your property, your slice of the world. That's yours, if you want the birds on it to be eaten by a cat, that's your cat. But if your cat eats birds in my slice, which is a haven for them, your cat is getting hounded and better get back over the fence.

>>99284014
>dogs should be locked inside for the safety of cats
cats dont have rights.
cats are not protected wildlife.
they are the polar opposite. cats slaughter protected wildlife.

you let your dog off leash in an open space and a police officer shot it because it could have hurt protected wildlife and contracted and spread parasites?
your let your cat roam and a dog, legally contained on its owners property, ate it, before it could hurt protected wildlife and contracted and spread parasites?

these are the same thing. the exact same thing

if anything the dog "needs" even more freedom because the dumbest dogs are still twice as smart as housecats. that's why indoor cats tend to be truly indoor, but every dog needs to go on daily walks with their owner and run free in fenced parks where they can't predate on what few megafauna we have left.

now you will say "but the dogs nature is to obey"
this is false. many dogs do not enjoy obedience. and even obedient dogs actually need a significant amount of freedom and self determination because they are intelligent animals and are better able to appreciate it.
"and the cats nature is to be free"
this is false. the cat does not have the cognitive capacity to comprehend freedom. if kept occupied and given a companion it will be happy indoors, while a dog would just become neurotic and destructive. a cat doesn't know the difference between a city block and your room, it just gets antsy over a stimulation level and a routine.

cat owners either neglect their pets and bitch and moan when they get ran over/eaten, or keep them inside and cared for. dog owners make it so their dog can be outside but stay on their legally owned property and always go exploring together with them. curious.

>>99283917
>Human kill millions more than cats.
We kill systematically to serve our needs. Cats kill randomly at odds with our needs, causing bird extinctions.
>Cats kill anything smaller than them which is not a problem in human society.
This is a problem. Birds reduce bug populations (bugs spread disease) and spread seeds, keeping natural areas healthy and diverse
>But dogs are not . They are a problem in human society.
No, dogs are not a problem in HUMAN society. In HUMAN society, they kill fewer people than furniture, even the worst dogs (shitbulls) that can hardly be called dogs.
>And the fact that dogs kill cats not the opposite.
Yes, it is. A cat is an invasive manmade pest that is overstepping its bounds. A dog killing a trespassing cat to defend its owners property from hidden feces and needless bird slaughter is the same as a farmer killing a dog to defend livestock or a game warden killing a dog for chasing deer. If *I* am not allowed to kill songbirds why is a cat? The answer is they aren't.
>Is the evidence to support that dogs deserve to be keep in the house.
No. The evidence is that dogs are happiest in the house, in the yard, and on leashed walks, because dogs are intelligent enough to learn to enjoy that. Like you are intelligent enough to respect property rights... I HOPE.
>Not the cat because it is dangerous for cats
If a cat leaves your property, they are an invasive pest. The dog protects the yard and the birds in it.
>and other and animals including human
The dogs where I live, In HUMAN society, do not pose a significant problem. The diseases spread by outdoor cays shit kill more people, 20x more. Only outdoor cats can spread that disease.

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Look at this cat.

>>99283809
You are fucking retarded, and this is fucking retarded.

Keep your property... off other peoples property. Other people do not have the obligation to train their dog not to kill a common pest animal. Same reason farmers shoot dogs.
>bbbbut hes my pet rat hes just enjoying his nature because im a good rat owner, train your cat not to kill rats!
Not surprised thailand is a shithole if you feel you represent it.

Your animal is objectively, factually not less happy if you keep it confined to your own property. You are a deranged hypocrite who worships arbitrary animals.

>>99283727
Cats are not human children. Period. Get this through your skull.

It is a dumb animal with half as many brain cells in its cerebral cortex as a chihuahua. And despite that, it is as high maintenance as a chihuahua, if not higher because you can’t teach the cat much it wasn’t born knowing. A cat does not have any poetic or philosophical inclination. It does not crave a vague concept of liberty and endless space. All it knows is activity and boredom, moving and still, hiding and visible, food and hunger, thirst and water, loneliness and togetherness. All it knows regarding roaming is that if it has been somewhere it needs to be there again every day until another animal tries to kill it.

They are happier indoors but you need to provide what the cat is getting outside (hiding places and vantage points, togetherness - get another cat, activity - yes, you need to play with them and give them shit to destroy instead of leaving then alone in a sterile asian apartment). But without the part where my dog shakes it until its neck breaks and consumes it like it was an errant rabbit. That part is inevitable as soon as your stray hops the fence. Dogs are faster, stronger, and smarter. Dogs are part of my property, and cats are pests of it.

>>99283538
That isn't retardation. Cats are the natural prey of dogs. Most of their instinctive behavior (hiding in small dark spaces, being easy to frighten, trying to break up their scent trail) evolved because jackals, dholes, and other cats hunt them for food. The dogs are self sufficient hunters. This isn't aggression either. It's the same as a cat killing mice. Any dog that can be used as a hunting dog will go for cats because they instinctively know that as a small furry quadruped, they are a food source.

Just because your culture or opinions value cats at all doesn't mean nature does. For me, I think they are vermin. Worthless animals that intrude on my property uninvited, hide turds under centimeters of dirt for me to find later, piss on and claw up my patio furniture, and kill songbirds. Then the songbirds stop visiting my yard and the bug population quadruples. Huskies, greyhounds, pointers, and other cat-killing breeds are welcome additions because they will hunt mice, rats, voles, gophers, and cats, but aren't able to hunt songbirds.

Would you think a cat was retarded if it kept going for your pet rat? Would you think it was aggressive, even if it enver hurt a human or another cat? No, you wouldn't. It's just the nature of an animal that is able to keep itself from starving. Just because you like rats doesn't mean nature does and doesn't mean they aren't pests outside of pet enclosures. And if you had a pet leopard that kept going for dogs, that would also be natural, and justified because your pet leopard should not leave your property, and stray dogs should not enter your property.
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>>99284295
>be in neighborhood right next to big nature park
>retards still let their cats roam outside
>upset when cat gets eaten by gator, coyote, or hit by a car
Cat owners are just retarded. We have a leash ordinance for cats and dogs, but every other day I see people crying about this shit. I understand if your cat got out accidentally, but honestly what do these people expect? Coyote is going to eat your cat
Same with the retards over here that don't keep their dogs on their property. They all deserve the rope

>>99284302
Cats are more likely to be abused, and less likely to even be cared for by their owners (cat owners spend less on veterinary bills even when cats are affected by MORE injury and disease and are more likely to be left to roam and take care of themselves). Maybe this is because cats don't quite trigger the average sense of empathy. Maybe they do in an uncanny way that trips mens aggression or sheer distaste. We don't know.

But cats are the most severely and pointlessly abused domestic animal. They are not abused for profit, or for convenience, or out of fear of something like a big male german shepherd treating humans like his property, but simply because people seem to be more prone to abusing cats than anything else. They are the first to be kicked, pelted, shot, burned, poisoned, and have other animals set upon them - unprovoked.

And we just don't know why. 9/10 times someone is abusing animals they go straight to the nearest cat.

Maybe humans are just reincarnated rodents and birds

>>99284302
>They start killing the rats
Maybe one or two juveniles a week. What matters is that the rats will start behaving more carefully, and you will think they are gone despite still having rats.

Just try not to notice that the cats didn't actually do anything or you'll do what the europeans did. Get mad and start burning the cats in the town scare, causing all the rats that were just hiding to flood out, make direct contact with people, and give everyone the plague.

Or just make sure you never have any rats to begin with, use terriers and traps, and clean the fuck up.

>>99284295
Imagine having 8+ cats worth of shit and piss on your property

We crucify dog owners if they kick dirt over dog shit instead of picking it up yet these stray vermin get a free pass for the exact same thing

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Are you guys just going to be posting walls of text about how much you love or hate cats and how wrong your opposition is all night? On /vt/?
What's the goal here?

>>99284389
>Why are some people smart enough to know that you are more likely to get sick from other people than from animals
Yeah why are they smart... and why do certain people not act like them? Maybe they are dumb, and with low intelligence comes fear, uncertainty, and beliefs in falsehoods.

Zoonosis is extremely rare, especially with well kept dogs. Moreso with healthy cats.
On the other hand you can get herpes just by shaking hands with CERTAIN people and the more space, time, and property you share with them (among other things) the more likely you are to get something as life ruining as AIDS.

>>99283693
Wild racoons can kill cats btw

>>99284389
A sled dog that doesn't pull sleds is still a cool pet. Like a dog, but not as pathetically boot licking, and they don't stink as badly. Oh well, they have to be on a leash. But when they pull sleds they're either on a leash or chained up outside. And sled dogs are normally ran to death/to the point where they have to be put down because it's done for sport instead of survival now. All things considered the dogs are better off as pets to WFH techies and housewives, and they're good dogs for people who are not "dog people".

What kind of a working dog job is pulling a sled anyways? There are no special requirements for being a sled dog except being healthy. Any dog can pull a sled. Huskies are just the healthy dogs that aren't obedient enough to do anything else like herd, hunt, or guard. A bunch of independent, won't-follow-you assholes that need to be told every command five times and won't step in and fight to defend you or your property. They can't just stick to pointing, tracking, or retrieving either, if you hunt with a husky you're following the husky around while they do all the hunting on their own and they're too shit at it to catch anything but rabbits. God forbid you fire a gun, assuming you even get a shot, because the husky wants to chase the deer instead of just point at it. like a giant cat.

PERFECT for being pets. But nothing else. Other working dogs are even BETTER at pulling sleds LMAO. Also see: samoyed.

On the other hand, hunting coyotes using pitbulls is a form of animal torture for all parties involved and doesn't even reduce the coyote population in the long term, or the pitbull population. It makes the remaining coyotes much harder to hunt while their population increases. For this reason, actual coyote exterminators prefer using suppressed rifles from a distance so the coyotes don't wise up and it's possible to eliminate entire packs. The same holds true for hogs. Pitbulls are trash dogs for trash people without real jobs.

>>99284295
>This is what NPC logic is actually like
Chicken meat is a byproduct of the egg industry. Using chickens any other way brings it down to low tier, because of the cost (future eggs).

Beef is a byproduct of the dairy industry and only begins to make any sense as a primary product if insufficiently fertile grazing land is available, and we're in the bronze age so we don't have the technology to build and maintain indoor farms that don't rely on the natural soil and climate.

Dogs have only ever been eaten by the poor and stupid. So by saying it's no different than predators resorting to eating dogs because they're more docile and easier to catch, you are confirming that dogs are only eaten BECAUSE the poor *are stupid*.

This does not mean it is better to eat a dog. There is a higher opportunity cost to eating a dog than a cat, because unlike a cat any dog can continuously produce or protect additional food/property. There isn't a cheaper, lower risk alternative, dogs still supplement advanced technology like guns. Eating a cat carries a lower opportunity cost because they contribute nothing except being cute, and once the cats are gone, the local rodents will adopt less cautious behaviors and become easier to catch, increasing your continuous food supply even more.
>inb4 cats keep rodents out of your food
No, proper storage protocols and keeping up with building maintenance keeps rodents out of your food. Cats keep rodents out of eyesight but they still get into your food. They have to eat eventually.

>>99284257
>Doesn't that mean all pet owners need insurance? A fee for having an outdoor cat?
ideally, because animals are legally property. and a basic license that doesn't serve any purpose but being temporarily/permanently revoked for repeat/serious offenders. it's perfectly consistent with how everything else legally considered property is handled. if you shoot me for no reason you lose your gun rights for 20 years and then the cops auction off your rifle to fund the department or a deputy takes it home for himself.

pet ownership would plummet. breeding would plummet. dog attacks would plummet. if dead wildlife was considered poaching like if you were using a gun to shoot songbirds, cats would rarely be seen outdoors.

but the nonsensical conflicting hodgepodge of moral systems and outdated grug justice doesn't allow for such a simple answer

>>99284389
The idea that animals had special moral value was invented in central asia, and absurdly half-forgotten in central europe. Even the chinese make more sense since they just don't assign them any moral value at all. Half forgotten in such a way that there is no structure, no system, nothing at all, it is peak nonsense. When they try and explain one particular case, it conflicts with all others.

If they thought animals were property, do you destroy a car that someone has negligently driven or does the responsible party and their insurance pay for 100% of the damage and then some? Doesn't that mean all pet owners need insurance? A fee for having an outdoor cat?
Is it an eye for an eye? Why does eye for an eye come back here? It was removed from all other aspects of justice. And how is a dog equal to a chicken?
If the animals have rights why is the death penalty here when it's not there for a retarded human? They would send them to therapy
If it's a carnist system of conditional animal rights and a line dividing the sacred souled animals from the automatons, didn't the dog just steal food? So a financial penalty, right? Would the dog also be killed for snatching a sandwich?

If anyone is close to england/france/germany culturally, absolutely insanity and hypocrisy in animal affairs is to be expected.

>>99284468
>what am I in for?
basically parenthood but it actually ends after 15 ish years
>Does the yard need to be fenced in like dogs 101 said?
you can train them to live without it but its better if you did had a fence, its a good indicator of a boundary for the dog plus with niggers being lawsuit happy as they are, they cant dindu nothing if they walk on to your property and your dog gets some exercise on them
>are they good with cats?
you can teach most dogs to be good with cats
>can I teach it to be racist?
yes
>do they eat as much food as they look like they would?
yes

>>99284468
they’re the most surrendered because they cause property damage if left alone for 10 hours a day or find a way to escape if neglected like that. they’re the 3rd most common breed and barely above the 1st most common in attacks according to merrit clifton’s puppy sales based dog estimates (needed. kennel clubs do not survey owners of dogs not registered as conforming show dogs) and dogsbite.org.

the dog is fine. owners just need to give them companionship and accept that cats are inferior vermin animals that belong in canine stomachs. using them for work in cold weather is actually abusive. they are much happier playing and resting in mild weather.

>>99284389
from the same half-functioning frontal lobes that brought you
>wolves have rights and you don't because i want to fuck wolves not cattle
comes
>cougars have rights and you don't because i wan't to fuck a big cat not a dog
Considering the only "person" that could possibly claim a wild animal as their property also wrote in his holy book that he gave man dominion over all of it, and on the atheist side charles darwin has proven that fitness is all there is (and killing your competitors and predators = genetic survival), I think they're fair game and negotiations have already been settled.

Do we have bots here?

>dirty
*kicks litter all over, tracks it across the house*
*sprays on the carpet*
>destructive
*claws the fuck out of your furniture and bookcases, knocks shit off the tables and countertops*
>need to be walked
*continues being a shit until you spent an hour playing with them*
>and cleaned up after
*starts pissing and shitting on the floor if you don't scoop its old crusty shit and piss out of a box of dirt in your house*
>don't clean up their shit
*is let out by frustrated owner, leaves shit all over the neighborhood to never be picked up*
>independent
*resorts to eating garbage if no one feed them*
>don't require being cared for
*resorts to a semi-feral state of mind, becomes aggressive and fearful towards humans, because it was tossed outside and being left alone = cat destroys house*
>and are much smaller
*is big enough to kill small dogs*
>and cause less mess and destruction
*spreads parasites that cause 750 deaths a year, spreads 30x more rabies than dogs, causes bird, lizard, amphibian, and small mammal extinctions on a yearly basis*
All cat owners fault btw. Cats are fine pets, but they need to be contained to their owners property, trained, socialized, and picked up after.

inb4 meltdown
inb4 my cat would never
>my dog is fine
inb4 muh dogfuckers
>muh toxo
inb4 you cry because catfags = dogfags.

>dirty
*kicks litter all over, tracks it across the house*
*sprays on the carpet*
>destructive
*claws the fuck out of your furniture and bookcases, knocks shit off the tables and countertops*
>need to be walked
*continues being a shit until you spent an hour playing with them*
>and cleaned up after
*starts pissing and shitting on the floor if you don't scoop its old crusty shit and piss out of a box of dirt in your house*
>don't clean up their shit
*is let out by frustrated owner, leaves shit all over the neighborhood to never be picked up*
>independent
*resorts to eating garbage if no one feed them*
>don't require being cared for
*resorts to a semi-feral state of mind, becomes aggressive and fearful towards humans, because it was tossed outside and being left alone = cat destroys house*
>and are much smaller
*is big enough to kill small dogs*
>and cause less mess and destruction
*spreads parasites that cause 750 deaths a year, spreads 30x more rabies than dogs, causes bird, lizard, amphibian, and small mammal extinctions on a yearly basis*
All cat owners fault btw. Cats are fine pets, but they need to be contained to their owners property, trained, socialized, and picked up after.

inb4 meltdown
inb4 my cat would never
>my dog is fine
inb4 muh dogfuckers
>muh toxo
inb4 you cry because catfags = dogfags.

>dirty
*kicks litter all over, tracks it across the house*
*sprays on the carpet*
>destructive
*claws the fuck out of your furniture and bookcases, knocks shit off the tables and countertops*
>need to be walked
*continues being a shit until you spent an hour playing with them*
>and cleaned up after
*starts pissing and shitting on the floor if you don't scoop its old crusty shit and piss out of a box of dirt in your house*
>don't clean up their shit
*is let out by frustrated owner, leaves shit all over the neighborhood to never be picked up*
>independent
*resorts to eating garbage if no one feed them*
>don't require being cared for
*resorts to a semi-feral state of mind, becomes aggressive and fearful towards humans, because it was tossed outside and being left alone = cat destroys house*
>and are much smaller
*is big enough to kill small dogs*
>and cause less mess and destruction
*spreads parasites that cause 750 deaths a year, spreads 30x more rabies than dogs, causes bird, lizard, amphibian, and small mammal extinctions on a yearly basis*
All cat owners fault btw. Cats are fine pets, but they need to be contained to their owners property, trained, socialized, and picked up after.

inb4 meltdown
inb4 my cat would never
>my dog is fine
inb4 muh dogfuckers
>muh toxo
inb4 you cry because catfags = dogfags.

>>99285010
I really don't think these people are real.
They're not even quoting what I say, they just reply to me and make up a quote to argue against.

Should have posted a pariah dog because this is only an issue in third world countries and islands full of inbred bogans

>>99284468
Dogs aren’t toxic to plants. They’re toxic to over-fertilized plants put there by boomers. It kills your shitty boomer lawn because it’s a fragile plant outside of its natural ecosystem sitting in borderline toxic concentrations of nutrients. I don’t fertilize shit, kill “weeds”, or water more than once a week and dog shit makes my lawn grow.

Cat shit on the other hand kills 750 people a year because cat “people” can’t be assed to remove it from other peoples property, ever.

>muh maulings
6/70 etc etc. don’t forget the real statistical rate of the most dangerous dogs still makes them hundreds of times safer than the most dangerous animals on earth:
White, hispanic, and african males.

Less than one thousandth of a percent of dogs may cause serious injury. Up to 50% of these things will cause rape and murder.

>>99283410
Barn cats don't control rodents

They reduce the rate of their population growth very slightly and turn the dead rodents into diseased shit. That is in on a farm. Where it is contaminating plants and infecting animals. This is not rodent control. If the population is stable or growing, and disease is being spread, the situation has actually been made worse.

Hygiene controls rodents. Keeping food inaccessible and cleaning up anything edible, maintaining buildings, cleaning up clutter and scrap. Ironically the half eaten corpses and cat turds attract more rodents and worse pests than cats would ever kill. Cats will only scare off "virgin" mice, after a few months the mice return and live in harmony with the cat, and rats don't leave at all.

Cats are pretty much a parasitic animal that is allowed to survive because it's cute. Their one and only job is being an indoors companion animal. Having a "barn cat" is like having a "guard pitbull" that runs all over your entire property, coats it in shit, and then kills a 12 year old girl for trying to retrieve her frisbee.

>>99283268
In the US...
Pitbulls kill about 24 people every single year. Rottweilers kill 4. German shepherds kill 2. Mastiffs kill a little over 1. The next 6 most dangerous kill about one to less than 1 person a year. These dogs vary greatly in popularity!

If the populations were roughly normalized, so every dog were as common as retrievers:
"Pitbulls" (all bull terriers): 31/yr
Rottweilers: 14/yr (single breed)
German shepherd: 7/yr (single breed)
All mastiffs: 2/yr
"Huskies" (all large spitzes, often including wolf hybrids): 2/yr
Retrievers: 0.75/yr

Every single problem caused by cats disappears if they are contained to their owners property. Most dog bites occur on the owners property. Stop caring about cats. There's something going on with dogs.

Apparently, no matter how popular they are or aren't, THREE visually identifiable dog types are significantly more deadly than average. These should be exterminated without exception.
Most large dogs seem to be as dangerous as one another - meaning males should be neutered, and abusive ownership practices like beating and long-term tethering should be cracked down upon, and if people wanna bitch about that we can get rid of every dog over 25lbs.
Others have been bred to be extremely safe, retrievers being known for their psychological difficulty with delivering powerful bites. These aren't really an issue. The statistical rates we are dealing with here are small. Everything can kill at least one person every year, and this is a big animal that is very common and in constant contact with humans. The most dangerous dog is several times safer than a flatscreen TV. But it's still too damn much for something with free will, don't you think?

Considering cats are just kill birds and leave diseased shit in gardens and sandboxes and ONLY if they're outside and roaming?

>>99284468
Please never, ever let any domestic predator run free anywhere that is not a fenced property. Ever. Dogs and cats are both predators and domesticated and therefore lacking basic survival skills and a strong fight or flight instinct. They will die, some hick will kill them, or another animal will.

Don't worry, like you are legitimately too stupid to feel contained by society, the dog is too stupid to feel like a prisoner in a 0.10 acre yard, and like you are too stupid to realize that full time employment and the current economy create a form of slavery and may actually defend it, the dog is too stupid to realize they did not really consent to and fully understand the leash and may actually want to be on it and take issue with dogs that are not.

>>99274645
>>That time in 2016 where dogs killed 15,000 sheep
>>Causes 99% of human rabies transmission (and therefore 99% of the deaths associated), and can spread it to other animals like wolves and big cats
>>Drives animals out of their habitat through out-competing, or in some cases literally chasing them out like the Tibetan snow leopard.
>>Dog shit is toxic and a environmental hazard and can pollute waterways. This shit can also carry worms which can live in the soil for years.
>>In 2009 (couldn't find anything later than that), they caused over $600 million dollars in damages in the U.S. alone.
the greater majority of this shit happens in the third world
>b-but it happens in the First World too!!!
yeah, because dogs get loose or people let their dogs roam around on their property, not because we're dealing with fucking feral dog colonies. the first world keeps feral dog populations low.
as for
>>Can literally fuck other species of the Canis genus out of existence
guess what retard, domestic cats also fuck wild members of the Felis genus (and other genera in the Felinae subfamily, but it's rarer). it's particularly bad for the Scottish population, where it's hard to tell anymore which ones are pure and which ones are mutts. and unlike when dogs do it, nobody gives a flying fuck because "arr cats rook same". and cats are also present in abundance in third world countries.
other Canis members are more at threat from human activity than from dog activity, anyway. and coyotes are busy trying to fuck wolves out of existence on their own.

>>99283727
Stupid bitch. Uncontrolled mating create inbreeding which result in very dumb dogs that bite each other all day

>>99275113
when dogs cause monetary damages in the US that is 70% meat farmers (good, fuck them, the US overproduces and overconsumes meat and ranchers destroy the environment like no one else) and 30% panicky retards going to the emergency room to get 1 stitch and a week's worth of antibiotics after they finally got bit after the dog had been repeatedly beaten, shocked, and choked for not fellating its owner ego. we already hate the parts of the dog issue that are actually problems:
abusive owners
pitbulls
rottweilers

and we'd really love it if those could be solved in a day.

when cats cause damages in the US it's a cute and useful bird/frog species disappearing forever or a toddler getting a deadly tapeworm from salad because cat owners have a strong culture of neglect. and the solution is much, much simpler than wholesale extermination of two breeds numbering about 10 million and somehow prosecuting people for a long running tradition of animal abuse. "don't let your cat cross your property line" "don't maintain feral colonies". not so hard is it?

>>99275132
>so what's the difference?
You arent there to supervise.
You dont want to leash train your cat - like a dog owner leash trains their dog - then fine.
But not being there is bad pet ownership.
Same as letting a dog roam.
>why not say that cats and birds are the same too?
Anyone that owns a bird and just lets it fly outside is a bad bird owner. If it was an invasive species like cats are, I would have no issue killing it on my property.

>>99275416
>They don't enjoy living life in survival mode.
You might actually be deranged, or you're arguing in bad faith on person. They're not living on survival mode you idiot they have all the food and shelter they need, they just have the option to go outside and enjoy nature a little in line with their instincts if they feel like it. And if they don't enjoy it then why would they do it? I'm not forcing him to go outside.
Same with dogs by the way, if someone didn't walk their dog twice a day you'd probably say they're cruel, so what's the difference? You could probably train a dog to poop in a box and never go outside if you felt like it. The difference is you can't really walk a cat on a leash but then you don't need to, because cats are independent for one, but the biggest difference
is cats don't mutilate other people and kill small children. It's retarded to claim that cats and dogs are the same, why not say that cats and birds are the same too? Do you shoot every bird too that happens to land on your property?

>both animals spread the same kind of diseases
How exactly is my cat spreading diseases by going outside and smelling the roses a little? Like real talk enough with the concern trolling and bad faith bullshit, which disease exactly and to whom?

>>99283813
Peta euthanize them if that's your goal

>>99275416
The parasite literally can not exist without cats. It's incapable of reproducing without cats, and the cats need to be roaming around outside to get it into the food supply.

>undercooked meat!
The other 50% of cases are from fucking salad. Do we really have to be perfect and expect everyone from 1 day to 100 years old to have flawless food safety so some dumb emotional tampon for some genetically inferior autistic freak can be easier for that loser to "take care of"? No. Cats and dogs stay confined to their owners property, or they don't exist.

Petfags are a global cancer.

>>99275750
Cat can adapt to a space change easily. And if she's really attached to you then losing you will be more painful than having less space to roam. Play with her a little more to help her stay enriched.
Pets are not really property in the same realm that physical assets are. If it happens to disappear at the same time that you move out, who cares, maybe it ran away to look for you - police aren't going to investigate that. These things happen all the time. It's YOUR cat that YOU got for Christmas, if your parents are the ones that decided to pay for their vet bills, then that was very nice of them, but it doesn't matter. It's a cat.

If you can support yourself you can support a cat. It sounds like you could actually benefit from things like food banks or whatever outreach programs exist in your area. Don't be ashamed of using those. They're for you.

Anyway consider the cat an afterthought to you figuring your own shit out, that's ezmode compared to living on your own.

>>99275838
Cats are dumb animals and if it weren't for shitty toxopozzed catfags letting them roam with impunity they wouldn't cause half the property damage or spread so much disease.
I am speaking as someone who lives in a region where cats would struggle without human help, so even though they are shitty animals they wouldn't be a concern here if not for catfags.
If I were an Aussie I might have a dimmer view of cats and more practice shooting them for the bounty.

>>99275990
This cat's owner here. Just had a nightmare of an experience with the black & white one (his name is stinker/benny).

Because he's a semi-outdoor cat, he spends some time outside. I don't have the authority to make him indoors only, but try to do the best I can to ensure he remains safe. Tonight (at 10:50pm roughly), he seemed to get stuck on the property on the other side of my block. They have this very tall metal wall encasing their backyard. I have no idea how he got in, but I'm fairly certain he couldn't get back, and heard him meowing on the other side and knocking on the other side of the wall.

So I had to go around the block around midnight and knock on this house's door. They had no intercom so I had to knock multiple times to no answer, so had to speak to the door and explain my problem hoping for an answer. A grandma wearing just a shirt and underpants along with her grandson finally answers and lets me in to search their backyard and I find my cat Stinker fairly easily.

Then this is where the nightmare begins. I pick him up, he seems relaxed, knows its me and all seems well. Then I start taking steps back towards their house... and he goes ballistic. Seeing strangers or entering an unknown house absolutely mortified him and he started desperately trying to escape my clutches, scratching every part of my body he can, and literally snap urinating all over me in an instant before escaping my grip and running off to some room in the house. I have blood running down my abdomen, bleeding scratches all over my left arm and cat piss all over my groin, legs and the floor underneath me.

Eventually they help me catch him and give me a box and a towel to put him in to take him back home. But holy shit, this SUCKED. Keep your cats indoors guys, at least at night time.

200 fucking posts about the laziest streamer on earth's cat Jesus motherfucking christ what happened to this place man

>>99276056
You forgot the biggest difference
>normal man's dog
>big jaws to do damage
>protects its owner
>protects its property

>/an/ "man's" dog
>does nothing
>stupid lapdog
>makes friends with the burglar

You raise your dogs like pussies AND your dogs are pussies. Get cats.

"boo hoo, i have to ask you to turn off your security system before i touch your property. boo hoo, people get hurt messing with peoples stuff without permission." - catfags

>>99277106
either way all of these deaths are caused by human error
>don't wash hands before eating
>don't cook meat
>don't wash vegetables
>750 people die on accident
>CATS DID THIS NOT PEOPLE! BAN CATS!

>permit pitbulls to exist
>abuse and neglect dogs
>be a typical republican and treat a dog poorly to make it mean so it will "protect your property"
>30 people die on accident
>DOGS DID THIS NOT PEOPLE! BAN DOGS!
ya'll retarded

>>99284214
Catfag larping as he slowly die from toxoplasma

>>99277342
Thing is many species of birds are protected by law and can't be killed. Hunters and hunters that use dogs need permits to kill animals, can kill a limited number (unless invasive) and need to control the dog., they don't just let the dog roam freely and kill whatever it finds, hunters guide it towards the desired prey object.
When you let your cat roam out freely it won't discern between protected and unprotected and you can't control it, it'll kill whatever it can, also how do you make sure your cat stays on your property? By your logic if a cat crosses over to other property their dog has a natural right to maul it.
Not to mention the risks of just letting your cat out unsupervised, it's entirely your fault if your cat gets run over by a car or is killed by a coyote

>>99285188
These are clearly bots.

>>99277342
The idea that your pet fucking shit up is a benefit of ownership is retarded, you want to get rid of rats and mice? Stop living in a garbage pile. A hygenic homestead is the only real solution to vermin in the home, cats demonstratably don't make an impact in the actual density of vermin, just the visibility of vermin.
Since there's therefore no actual utility in letting your cat hunt for itself, allowing it to attack wildlife because you think that it's an inevitable cost of the service it doesn't actually provide is fundamentally equivalent to shooting game and letting it rot in the field, a practice which literally everyone finds abhorrent.

This is why I shoot cats when they wander onto my property.

holy autism lmao

If cats are allowed to hunt bugs, mice and rats, then cats also have a natural right to hunt birds on their owners property. And if cats are allowed to hunt any uninvited creatures on their property, then so are dogs and humans. You can't pick and choose.

Discuss.

My position: If the birds didn't want to die they would fly away

>>99277573
Almost everyone had a cat in 1776. Sometimes multiple people had the same cat.

Spay and neuter wasn't a thing in 1776 so the cats were pretty much just there. Other animals and machinery accidents would harm them and that was a fact of life but if you, a human, were purposefully killing them you would be shunned at the very least. It was the same thing as walking into some range area, and then shooting the collie for daring to greet you. Everyone knows the collie doesn't bite and he's just doing his job out there. The only acceptable form of pet killing from then until recently was culling kittens and puppies to keep the populations down, and clear cases of self/property defense. Every man who can handle a gun knows what an aggressive dog looks like and what ones you can just walk away from.

Cops can shoot a barking dog if they need to get past it. You can just turn around, and go get the dogs owner.

Not shooting random cats. Not shooting any dog that goes near you.

>>99278788
Impressive, but little league shit. Try doing it off your property. The gunman in this article was me
https://www.kktv.com/content/news/Owner-Speaks-Out-After-Her-Dog-Was-Shot-At-Springs-Park-287908821.html
I was also the skyway dog poisonings and the poison meat on the trail.
>inb4 seething dogfags

1: I don't care. Dogs belong on leashes. They are pests that eat babies and most importantly, cats.
2: No properly leashed dog would have gotten to my poison. Keep your filthy mutts shit-covered paws where they belong instead of letting them wander you disrespectful entitled faggots.
3: Have kids dogcels.

>>99284607
The absolute state of pussy owner. What a piece of shit

>>99278788
The whole novelty of No Kill shelters? That shit is going to die out. At the end of the day no matter how much whining and crying humans do, they will be forced to learn that undesirable and unwanted novelty pet animals must be culled. People will learn when cats ruin neighborhoods with their waste and diseases and parasites due to shelters being always full and people will learn when they see roaming gangs of dogs attacking people because the shelters are eternally full.

The no kill bullshit is just a trash ideology by emotionally soft hearted politically correct losers. And eventually they will be locally hated for being the trash that they are. Especially is roaming animals start causing enough problems property value goes down.

>>99282165
Even in the metro surrounding seattle where we're all liberal cat and lapdog owners, it's legal.
>It shall be lawful for any person who shall see any dog or dogs chasing, biting, injuring or killing any sheep, swine or other domestic animal, including poultry, belonging to such person, on any real property owned or leased by, or under the control of, such person, or on any public highway, to kill such dog or dogs, and it shall be the duty of the owner or keeper of any dog or dogs so found chasing, biting or injuring any domestic animal, including poultry, upon being notified of that fact by the owner of such domestic animals or poultry, to thereafter keep such dog or dogs in leash or confined upon the premises of the owner or keeper thereof, and in case any such owner or keeper of a dog or dogs shall fail or neglect to comply with the provisions of this section, it shall be lawful for the owner of such domestic animals or poultry to kill such dog or dogs found running at large.

>>99284631
Untrained dogs tend to eat dangerous things and get sick very often

>>99282165
>Indoor dog: Owner has to physically pick up the shit. Double bag, never make physical contact with feces. Cleanliness of society maintained, also hard filter for feminine squeamish faggots that would starve if they had to gut and butcher their own meat even with an apron and gloves. Does not make a shitton of noise either, because they are inside when not constantly supervised.

>outdoor cat: You refuse to pick up its shit because you say "i dunno where it is. not my problem." Society's cleanliness reduced. Hit by a car, heemed by superior wildlife, or mauled by a dog because it is half as intelligent as a chihuahua. Owner remains soft and immature, afraid of weird smells and squishy wet stuff. Figures 4 years is a good life for a cat and gets another one to condemn to a horrible death outdoors. Neighbors become sick of cats shitting in their gardens and start leaving rat poison mixed with salmon out "for the rats, honest" and say, when your cat dies "i had poison out on my property for rats, i'm sorry your cat got into it, they were probably following the rats and ate the bait instead when the rat ran away". You now quielty seethe and stew in impotent rage, but keep getting cats anyways, because deep down inside you don't care if they die as long as you can pet them for a bit first.

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>>99285317
>>99285326

>>99282280
>It's fucks up their migrations
If birds are visiting my feeders it means they already migrated successfully. When it's time for them to go back to the tropics no amounts of food can stop them.
>results in future generations that were not selected for natural survival
Feeders are a tiny part of the extremely vast network of foraging areas birds visit during the day. They're not something that birds strictly rely on for survival, they're simply a feeding spot that's guaranteed to be free from pesticides, tractors, cars, cats and poachers that plague most of their habitat.
>creates disease hot spots
Just clean them.
>benefits invasive species far more than anything else
Depends on where you live and what kind of feeder you use.
>gives nutrition they are not optimized to utilize
You're supposed to stock feeders with seeds and grains, not candy.
>fucks up the spread of the seeds in their natural diet reducing food availability and range in the future
Birds that visit feeders never rely on them entirely. Out of all gardening practices bird feeding is the last one you should worry about.
>Unless you can force a line of slaves into maintaining more and more feeders every year infinitely on your property for all time you aren't doing the birds any favors as a whole
As long as I can give a little help to the ones that live near my property I consider my contribution to be sufficient.

>>99282337
Coyotes are not native to North America, and as a result, are not well-adapted to our climate. They are known to attack and kill domesticated animals, as well as wildlife. In combat, coyotes can kill animals up to twice their size, and they have a high rate of mortality. Coyotes negatively impact the food supply through their predation, and they also reduce their numbers by preying on coyote prey. Domestic cats, while Certainly not welcomed, pose a much lower threat to humans than coyotes. Domestic cats are not native to North America and, as such, do not have the same range of adaptability as coyotes. They also typically prey on smaller animals that are not a significant source of food for coyotes, and they are not known to kill humans. It is clear that coyotes pose a greater threat to humans and their property than domestic cats.

>>99280873
This has been debunked. Coyotes are native to north america and do not pose a threat to responsibly contained animals. Any animal that can be eaten by a coyote can also leave its owners property and cause trouble. They do not pose a threat to the food supply either, as predator losses are subsidized and the majority of animals grown for food are kept indoors away from predators. Overall coyotes cause less harm than domesticated cats which are an invasive african species known for violent, unreliable fathers, single mothers, and environmentally destructive lifestyles, and actively help reduce their numbers. They also remove poorly contained dogs such as stray pitbulls and huskies. In 2020, 50 people died due to dog attacks, but 0 people died due to coyote attacks. If you are against coyotes, you are against humanity.

Reposting it because the truth is apparently very triggering lol

FACT CHECK

>>4973650 (OP)
This photo is from 1920.

https://customprints.nelson-atkins.org/detail/510300/collins-dog-albus-1842
Dog from 1842.
Louis-Auguste Bisson may have took an earlier dog photo in 1841.
https://petapixel.com/2019/10/23/this-may-be-the-oldest-known-photo-of-a-living-animal/
Cow from 1842
https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/worlds-oldest-cat-photo/
The oldest cat photo is from 1845

r/cats has been feeding you disinfo.

>Catfags when they make a false claim:
>HELP DOGFAGS WONT LET US BE THE BEST!

>>99274446
What the fuck is going on in this thread? You people need to get a life.

>>99284585
this mouthing behavior is so common i'm convinced that cats just naturally submit to their canine masters. it's the exact same thing alpha wolves do to beta wolves - the alpha demonstrates their power over their inferior by placing their jaws over the beta's entire face, while their beta demonstrates their submission to and trust in their superior by willingly tolerating it.

in other words, the cat is saying "please eat my face daddy"
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sEBOhFsn9XU
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-U6r40qB9ws

more proof cats are naturally dogs servants: this kitty slave gives out back rubs on demand
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BLze1L1EYZk

catfags may try to set up their cats to attack young dogs to invert this relationship with fear and trauma, but it will never stop being the default.

>>99274645
This isn't true at all, cats see other cats as their primary enemies more than any other predator
>FUCKING CATS, THEY RUINED IT FOR CATS!

>>99284585
>catfags have to abuse dogs to pervert the natural order
>gays have to abuse boys to pervert the natural order
Very telling.

Dog = master
Cat = their property

Dogs hunt and rule their lands. Cats take the scraps.

Deal w/ it

>>99284585
>catfags have had 10,000 years to create a proper working cat
>they bred pug cats instead while pretending more cautious rodents were actually absent rodents
guys humanity might not be very smart as a whole

74 million cats in the us are eating perfectly good tuna and giving nothing back. we need purpose bred working cats, or no cats at all.

and the wholesale extermination of all non-working dogs. no pitbulls either (their job is illegal).

Why is someone flooding the thread with Chatgpt articles?

>>99284683
>Cats have always been the mascot animal for mentally ill shut ins, losers, and failures. The archetypical peak cat person is a poet or author. A midwit. The archetypical peaks of dogdom are kings and presidents, explorers, great soldiers, and famous scientists. "Cat people" (not merely normal people who like cats, mind you) cluster around the narrow range from midwit burnout to midwit pseudo-success (AKA internet people), while dog people span the whole range from ditch digger convict to greatest man on earth.
>And most interestingly, most dog people also like cats! Read this sentence three times so it sinks in. Most dog people also like cats.
>Meanwhile "cat people" define themselves by a seething hatred of dogs, because they can see clear as day that dog people embody success, from the honest working man to the greats. The fact that most dog people keep cats on the side actually makes "cat people" even more jealous. They can't even define themselves by owning a cat!
Damn
Catfags btfo

Dogs won
Dogs and cats won
Normal cat owners who dont care about peoples dogs won

Dog hating cat-onlies LOST
Toxo schizos LOST
Outdoor catfags LOST

>>99285388
All of these posts that have replied to me haven't said anything in response to the content of my posts.
They just make up a quote as though I said it and argue against it.
There are also a ton of duplicate posts.
It's very obvious that these are bots and not real people.

>cats mentioned
>completely insane cunt spamming 'toxoplasmosis' shit and calling people who like fuzzy small animals "parasite controlled"
Hating cats should really be classified as a mental illness because if this behavior isn't mentally ill then I don't know what is.

It's more like this
>birdfags: cats are bad for the environment and i hate them

>catfag, singular: Your mutt is STUPID and you are STUPID, dog worshipping white subhuman zoophile faggot. ALL dogs are child mauling shit eating pitbulls. dog culture is being shoved down our throats. end dogs. cats are superior. cat people are superior.
>dogfags: okay lol, cats are less intelligent than dogs and don't control pe-
>catfag, singular: SAY THAT ONE MORE TIME AND YOU WILL NEVER BE ALLOWED TO HAVE A /DOG/ AGAIN *saves all the pictures off the archive* *tries to frame /dog/ posters for bestiality* *posts videos of crackheads fisting dead dogs* STOP POSTING CAT HATE AND ILL STOP. ADMIT THAT CATS ARE BETTER THAN DOGS.
>dogfags: wow catfags are pieces of shit. cant handle the facts. i hate them now.
>catfags, the rest of them: woah wtf we didn't do anything.
>dogfags: oh i see its just one guy
>catfag, singular: HEY /KOT/, WHAT ARE YOU GOING TO DO ABOUT THE DOGREDDITOR PROBLEM?

Has been like this for years. And it is literally all one reddit fag who got here in like, late 2020, and has been consistently trying to force /dog/ to just not exist. He unironically paid money and sold his body for access to better proxies to accomplish this.

I see 100x more dog abuse content than cat abuse content on /an/ and the few people posting cat abuse/actual cat hate instead of poking fun are crazy birdfags. The deekchat zoophile problem is a whole other issue that's been going on for over 10 years, but jesus fuck, the 2020 "cat website" guy is cancer and has singlehandedly killed this board with his propensity to post and discuss bestiality in the most vile way possible.

The only reason /dog/ hasn't gone apeshit and counter-raided /kot/ is because they are fully aware it is just one guy. If they took didn't there wouldn't be any pet generals left after the ensuing shitstorm (which is what schizo-guy actually wants, and constantly tries to start on the /kot/ side).

>>99284683
https://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=cat+in+heat+qtip
https://e621.net/posts?tags=feline
catfags don't need furry art, they just molest their pets and get away with it
and yet they draw it anyways? why?

im going to be honest almost 100% of people on earth find animals sexually attractive. this isn't a catfag/dogfag thing. the only difference is whether or not people are smart enough to get away with it. everyone who gets caught is either a fence hopper or has romantic delusions. most people won't even admit it because it goes against their programming, but given the chance and a 0% chance of getting caught, everyone will have sex with a willing animal as long as the bits fit. i actually think cat people are more likely because they view their cats as more autonomous and intelligent than they actually are so if they had the chance to fuck a lion of the sex they're into, they 100% would.

back in the good old days of /an/ we used to have entire threads about tiger pussy.

100% of posters in /dog/ would have sex with their dogs if it were more acceptable
and 100% of posters in /kot/ would have sex with their cats if it were bigger (and they'd find a way to make it socially acceptable)
100% of posters in /horse/ who actually do have horses are 100% fucking them

this is probably how humans originally domesticated animals. the first animal we domesticated is the dog, which is notoriously horny. the second animal is the cat, which wants its pussy rubbed every day. humans just did their thing and wala, domestication. pigs? guess what, sows are naturally aroused by human sweat. guess how we got chickens? hint: hens squat for humans like they want to mate. i'm not saying dic in clooc but some curious cavemen definitely gave them a rub to secure their loyalty. tamed ratites? yeah, we fucked them.

dolphins are next.

cat general
>my cat's ass smells
>my cat attacks my infant what do

dog general
>catfag having a meltdown

cat general
>my cat's ass smells
>my cat attacks my infant what do

dog general
>catfag having a meltdown

cat general
>my cat's ass smells
>my cat attacks my infant what do

dog general
>catfag having a meltdown

cat general
>my cat's ass smells
>my cat attacks my infant what do

dog general
>catfag having a meltdown

cat general
>my cat's ass smells
>my cat attacks my infant what do

dog general
>catfag having a meltdown

cat general
>my cat's ass smells
>my cat attacks my infant what do

dog general
>catfag having a meltdown

>>99284683
Correct. It is purely irrational. This website is not about cats. A 4chan user is not obligated to hold cats in unusually high esteem to "belong" because this website actually has nothing to do with cats. They're just funny looking.

Note I said unusually high esteem.

If you genuinely hate cats and want to kill/torture them you de facto do not belong on an animals and nature board. At the most, you can be indifferent to them.

I am talking about paleoschizo's tendency to believe that anyone who does not borderline worship these critters AND hate dogs needs to hear the revisionist catchphrase he made up in 2020: "this is a cat website, dogredditor". Often seen as a response to "cats are dumb", "cats dont belong outside", "cats dont kill rats they just cause bird extinctions", "i like dogs more", etc. None of these necessarily involve hating cats and actually constitute parts of a worldview that extends feline lifespans and many of these statements are common among people who love cats! You do not have to be such a cat fanboy to belong here, never had to be. You just can't genuinely hate any animal... except pitbulls. We don't count those as animals.

>>99285444
What's more retarded is they're clearly using ChatGPT

>>99284683
A housecat is a 10-20lb low tier predator and domestication only made them weaker and dumber. Most notably domestication nearly wipes out the fight or flight instinct and makes them unlikely to survive for long. They are food for owls, falcons, every canine larger than a fox, and bigger cats. And they are so inept they can not handle adult rats and have less than half the successful hunts as their wild cousins. So yes they are tiny and pretty helpless. They’re prey animals as well as predators.

If you let them outside intentionally you are guilty of neglectful behavior and animal abuse. I regularly help animal control with the outdoor cat problem by renting live catch traps and sending the results to the shelter. Collars removed.

If you let your cat outside and it is able to leave your property line and line of sight you are on the intellectual, moral, and ethical level of a dogfucker and I don’t consider you a fully developed human being.

>>99284683
Cats are not native to North America and their stinking shit does not belong in this soil. Keep it in your lawn or find out how retarded dog owners feel when they gace the consequences for using range area as a dog park.
>BUT MUH HECKIN CATWIFE ISNT THAT BAD ACTUALLY SHES HELPING
I dont care. If you want me to take care of your animals i charge $36 an hour and consider 8 hours of each day work by default. Otherwise on my property = won’t be for long.

>>99284683
My husky is a voracious cat hunter and if anyone messes with him for it I will make his efforts look like a joke.

You’ve been warned. Your cat stays on your lawn or it gets the same treatment as a stray dog. Cats shit and piss on everything and leave piles of bird guts everywhere, and their lazy faggot owners dont even offer to clean it up. I had 0 cats in the neighborhood at one point and didnt see or trap a single rat, and then the cat lady moved in. The shit, corpses, and bowls of cat food attract rats and help them breed. Now my traps catch 5-10 rats a night and my husky is even catching them there’s so many. All from the cat lady’s overgrown cat infested property.

>>99284754
>Why do normies think it's acceptable to have their cats running around on other people's property?
Because they only care about themselves and can't be bothered to take care of their cat or clean its litterbox so they let it run around the neighborhood and shit in people's yards and spread fleas everywhere.

>>99284754
The truth is that living with cats actually sucks. They're nice to have around when they're babies but as soon as they grow up they become an insufferable stampede of shit, piss, annoying noises and property damage. Cat owners choose to inflict the stampede upon others and pretend it's normal instead of teaching their vermin how to behave.

>>99284754
>don't keep pet on property
>something bad happens to it
>get upset

People keep WINGED PETS indoors and somehow cat owners can't fucking figure it out. Best defense for feral cats are donkeys apparently. Stomps the vermin to death when they get near my birds.

>>99284754
Because they don't like the responsibility of cat ownership. They want the stupid pats on the head, but not cleaning up the cat shit and piss. That is for the neighbors to deal with. Cats lovers are shit and I would never blame people who kill cats pissing and shitting everywhere.

The tactic cat lovers do is release their cats around six in the morning before most people are leaving for work and by the time the cat returns home it's finished pissing and shitting on the neighbors property. Complete bastards wish they got arrested for ruining neighborhoods like that.

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>>99284754
Domesticated cats are cats that do not leave their owners property. Because they hunting instincts that can target birds, really, it should be that any cat that is outside at all is considered feral, as surely as you shouldn't be loosing greyhounds in your backyard in NZ because they'll kill kiwis and kakapos. If your cat leaves your property unsupervised, it is a feral cat. If your dog leaves your property unsupervised, it is a feral dog.

>Wolves aren't dogs
That was an example for how predators function in ecology when the goal is exterminating a prey species. that is, they don't exterminate them.

>>99284790
>BUTWHATABOUT
Don't whatabout if your whatabout doesn't help your point retard

>Kill cattle
Not really a problem if we apply the same policy to cats and dogs. Unleashed, uncollared animals are shot for trespassing and causing trouble. Leashed ones are peacably removed along with their owner and collared ones are captured if not actively causing harm. However they can kill whatever on their owners property.
>And sometimes humans
Even with the dogs people literally bred to kill humans, they're statistically safer than bicycles and touching public doorknobs. If we eliminated dogs that were purposefully bred to be dangerous dog attacks would kill fewer people than cats. Meanwhile toxo is way, way deadlier than dogs and a harder problem to tackle due to the majority of cat owners having a hand in it, vs relatively unpopular and readily identified dog breeds, so, uh, priorities dude.

Hey, janitors, this thread is clearly being overrun with bots.
It's fucking blatantly obvious.

>>99284790
>It was about dogs killing cats on their own property and some retard saying dogs need to be put down for killing cats despite it being totally natural and expected behavior for dogs that arent sheep herders
dogs can't have property but ok, in THAT case everythings fine, too bad cat died but it was apparently retarded anyways.
Although it was about dogs harrasing cattle on cattle owner lands and then it was ARRRRRG I KILL YOUR ENTIRE HERD REEEE REEEEEEE

>>99284790
Are you keeping track? It was about dogs killing cats on their own property and some retard saying dogs need to be put down for killing cats despite it being totally natural and expected behavior for dogs that arent sheep herders

>>99284790
Hating cats WILL become mainstream for a few reasons. The first is Toxoplasmosis and other diseases of feline origin as well as fear of rabies. The other thing that will actually increase hatred for cats? Stupid cat lovers insisting on shit that doesn't work like TNR and Cat Colonies. No neighborhood wants to tolerate a group of disease spreading pissing and shitting cats spreading their waste all over the neighborhood. It's a health hazard and disgusting as well which lowers property values. This is what will cement hatred for cats even with normies.

Mankind is learning that there is nothing good about cats especially the ones roaming free and even ruin the work of farmers which make food.

>>99284790
for centuries pets were as low effort as spiders. people were spread out and we didn't have fridges or garbage service so pets just got second pickings of what we ate and filled in the nutritional gaps eating rats/mice/rabbits/etc that lived in the piles of non-meat food waste. no one needed a 6 foot fence for a dog or to worry about outdoor cats because domestic animals dont roam far enough to bother anybody.

now everything, even taking care of yourself, is made exponentially more difficult and the one and only solution you are offered is to work more so you can have more money and buy your way through life. it's not right, it's not based and trad, you're a slave earning good boy points so your masters permit you to live, and they permit you only as much as they think they should give you to keep you hungry and eager to obey even more, but not so little you run away. you can't go back and see if you can make it on your own. they will come for you, shoot your dog, kick your cat, drag you back to society, and tell you "here are your back taxes, and here are the fines you will pay for squatting on government property, and here are the other fines you will pay for poaching and growing crops on forest service land. GET A JOB!". when the US was founded this situation was called "indentured servitude".

>>99284810
Coyotes would clean up the streets pretty fast. Unlike domesticated animals, they are naturally good hunters. Maybe we should introduce coyotes to the third world since they can’t into traditional animal control.
>turd worlders be like
>muh street cats kill rats. huh, we still have a growing rat population?
>muh street dogs help and they protect property. huh, rabies cases are on the rise?
>the west:
>shoots everything that doesnt have a collar
>captures and gasses the rest
>brainwashes irresponsible NPCs into forcibly castrating fucking everything
>raises speed limits and widens tire sizes to increase cat strikes

>>99284810
Had to get rid of an infestation of these quite recently when we moved into a new house (dirty foreigners had a cat and presumably just loved comfortably with the fleas for untold months).
We used flea pellets spread over all carpets, left them for about a day, then vacuumed them up. When they were still there (albeit reduced in number), repeat the process. When you start to see only one or two a day, try to vacuum every other day until you stop seeing them full stop.
Don't spend money on flea bombs, everyone I've asked says they don't work.
If you've got a dog or a cat on the property, use something like Frontline or a flea collar. If your cat is an outdoor cat, kill yourself in Minecraft.

>>99284810
>bark bark
Cats are absolutely natural for most of the biotopes in which they live. Since they are not far distanted from their original wild form, their impact on the ecosystem is not significant.
At the same time, there is little in dogs that resembles a wolf. This is an absolutely unnatural man-made beast that causes REAL damage to nature (as well as to property and to humans themselves).
Exterminating stray dogs and not touching cats is a perfectly logical and sound policy. So stop barking, buttsniffer, and better educate yourself.