Do you respect Shiori's fanbase choices?
sure, but I don't respect faggots like that who treat this shit as some sort of warretarded tribalfaggots
>>99289370That faggot types just like the low-tier bait/shitposters from /here/. It's almost as if... No, I'm overthinking it.
>>99289370nice membership badge you got there, keep supporting her!
>>99289370>we wonMost obvious fucking falseflagger from /vt/ starting shit of course schizos here will see it and disregard it as another boogeyman because brown sea and white us people need their drama.
OP made that comment and waited a whole day to make his shitty bait thread. name a sadder existence.
>>99289370She does what she wants and I do what I want
>>99290995Do your reps on him. He posted on reddit with the same username asking for indie vtuber advice and he has a facebook group thing.
>>99291451>>99291520>>99292274
>>99290995>>99291451>>99291520He's real, you beggars just don't want to accept that unicorns have a legit reason to fucking hate this change of direction not because of the males themselves, it's the awful people it attracts into the hobby who's sole purpose is to destroy it for others. The comment has 21 fucking likes so there are others out there.
>>99289370>both greys
>>99292480>He's real Yea a real piece of shit from /vt/ feeding whites and brown their drama.
>>99289370>wants to kick (using a tame word here) out the unicorns>claims to be the "sane" ones
>>99292274Yeah
>>99289370always
>>99289370Where are their member badges?
>>99296212you either conform or get blocked
>>99289370>OUR OSHI HAS LESS PAYING CUSTOMERS! WE WON!
>>99296212Why would they have member badges?
>>99289370>ESLI am truly shocked.
>>99293664It is sane to want to kick out retarded unicorns, correct.>ERB will graduate in 2 weeks!>Kronii will graduate!>IRYS will graduate due to (PL stuff here)!>Noel will graduate because (insert)!>Bae will graduate!It's been years for most of these mems, unifag, why are they still here?
>>99296724they dont give a shit about that, they're just happy to destroy
>>99297226Ask your Tulpa apparently he tells you a lot of bullshit
>>99297370This, I remember when we were in the middle of the kronii fiasco there was a comment saying ''I don't care if the girls lose 80% of their paycheck, they have to get rid of the unicorns asap''
>>99289370yes>>99292480he's a thousand times better than unicorns
>>99296212They're not unicorns, so they don't have membership badges :)
>>99289370>:P imagine still using this unironically. literally can't take anyone who uses shit like this seriously cause that's something i used in my early teens which was well over 20 years ago
>>99292480Is it this easy to make unikeks tremble in fear ?
>>99297607>>99297370>>99296724>noooo, think about the useless plastic crap. Who's going to buy the garbage now?They make enough out of advertising, memberships, concerts and SCThe world doesn't need more plastic crap
>>99297607But Calli didn't lose 80%, on the contrary, She gained
>>99292274>facebook grouplet me guess this "sane fan" is also a fucking flip huh?
>>99297226this guy is conflating unifags with unicorns everyone laugh at him
>>99297817nothing wrong with that
>>99297732>adsLMAO, the girls themselves said this was bs>memssame>concertsthey are a ent loss, even mori in her recent concert, who is the only EN member who made some, said that they were at a net loss and she needs to sell the shitty blurays to break even.>SCHoly newfag...
>>99289370i don't respect anything about natsumi moe or the fans that consider themselves sane
>>99297892>THESE WHORES ARE MILLIONAIRES >NOOOO THEY MAKE ZERO MONEY 9 THINGS OUT OF 10 THAT CAN SOLD>NOOO ONLY ACRYLICS TURNED GURA INTO RICHIE RICH unikeks can be so fucking retarded
>>99296212Why would they shit post under their main account?
>>99297817>let me guess this "sane fan" is also a fucking flipYes he's Filipino
>>99297732>membershipsThey dont buy memberships you can even see this in the screenshot. They cant even afford $5 because they're all third worlders
>>99298104every fucking time
>>99298170>they can't afford 5$>someone keeps gifting 500 memberships with Argentine money >3rd worlders can send red supas with 5 cents of a dollar Why lie ?
>>99289370kyss shiggers
>>99292480Holy shit a whole 21 likes?!
>>99298170Pretty sure Americans can afford $5.
>>99299046All things considered, that's a lot for that's a comment reply and an obnoxious one at that
>>99292480>it's the awful people it attracts into the hobby who's sole purpose is to destroy it for othersIt's amazing how unicorns will really say this without any shred of irony or self-awareness. Yes, posts like that are real, but they're a countermovement to push back against your shit. Back in the Kizuna AI era female and male vtubers just collabed with whoever and it wasn't a big deal. Then unicorns invaded and made themselves known by imposing their ideas of what vtubing should be on everyone, antiing chuubas who wouldn't comply, and generally chimping out whenever something doesn't go their way. And now we have "beggars" who have made it their mission to drive the unicorns back out of the space. Is this timeline really so hard to understand? You could have just watched whatever you liked and and ignored mixed-gender interactions. Instead, you chose to try to erase them from existence and transform vtubing into some sort of "safe space" bullshit for unicorns. And now wonder why others in the community hate you and want you out. You caused this yourself.
>>99298042>complete retardationI accept your concession.
>>99300783nice try tourist, I'm sure you thought looking up wikipedia articles would make you sound smart but maybe you should have read that Kizuna was a virtual idol inspired by love live, a fa fanbase who will merc you if there's even a collab with a game with a male character like granblue
>>99300783>AI era female and male vtubers just collabed with whoever and it wasn't a big dealNijisanji fan I see>hen unicorns invaded and made themselves known by imposing their ideas of what vtubing should be on everyone,False, the only place that was cgdct at the time was Hololive and that was when they decided to go the pseudo-idol route, we've all seen the screenshots of miko and others collabing with nijis males when they were nobodies, unicorns didn't impose shit on anybody because those other bitches were male collabing from the start, it was not until Hololive's formula and clipping got so viral during coof era that maney chuubas IMITATED THEM to later drop a male nuke so to speak later on, don't want unicorns? don't pander for their money, nobody is imposing shit.>antiing chuubas who wouldn't comply, and generally chimping out whenever something doesn't go their way.Anon, retardation goes in every fucking fanbase, you gonna memoryhole the meltdown that roara and CC caused because they left the indie life to become holos? should I label those retards as the whole indie fanbase too?>You could have just watched whatever you liked and and ignored mixed-gender interactions. Instead, you chose to try to erase them from existence and transform vtubing into some sort of "safe space" bullshit for unicorns.OH yea, how to forget how unicorns try to erase male collabs by... uhm... let me see... not paying for content they don't wanna watch... damn they're so evil huh?face it anon, all costumers have their breaking points, you cannot force people to pay for shit they don't wanna watch as if this was a charity
every insane post i've seen on this argument has been from the 'we love the heckin boys unicorn should all hang' camp. 'unicorns' are mostly some form of disappointment and mentioning that they're moving on, the other side is usually suggesting they die
>>99301624Unicorns are just dudes, beggars are twitter activist locusts passing through
that has got to be the most pathetic attempt to larp
>>99289370doesn't matter since she doesn't
>>99297879everything
>>99300783I'm sorry your sexpesting got blocked so hard it left you with a unicorn trauma
>>99301691>beggars are twitter activist locusts passing throughAnd also full blown incels
>>99300783>You caused this yourselfSame goes for homos and their beggars, I used to be neutral but over time they pushed me to side with unicorns by just trying to cause misery like that retard on the comment or "I'm coming for your oshi" bastard.
>>99301123Don't even try that shit. I've been watching vtubers since 2017. I watched Siro collab with Baacharu and Nojaloli, I watched Subaru collab with Maimoto, Matsuri with Yashiro and Chaika, I watched Holo girls vs. Niji boys in Project Winter and I watched Kizuna AI collab with, The Anime Man, Tomari Mari, Kenmochi Toya and others. The fact she's a Love Live fan doesn't change anything.
>>99302477>I watched Kizuna AI collab with, The Anime Manare you proud of that? disgusting, you are beyond any unicorn or homobeggar
>>99302477The difference is a big group collab once a year with an established popular male like Markiplier or Pewdiepie isn't that big of a deal compared to collabing with these stalker creeps that no one has ever heard of joining hololive and nijien to desperately bother women for sex. Not even the managers and staff members are safe from their perverse behavior. Look at Nyanners, talked to some literal who indie male and she got cum dumpstered by the end of the month. Disgusting.
>Unicorns:>low functioning retarded recent additions who get upset when they see a 2d woman piloted by a 3dpd middle aged woman onscreen with a 2d man. support a bitch even if she is boring as long as she doesn't show interest in (another) man>homobeggars:>retarded virtue signaling activists attracted by unicorns who don't even watch the streams because it gets them more attention than normal.A continuation of the US certified classic: Incels vs Trannys
>>99297892That is some bs. How do the normal male flesh streamers that don't sell garbage manage to make a living?
>>993032332nd jobs
>>99300783Fat femcel hands typed this
>>99298104lollmao
>>99300783flips are useless, broke retards it's not exactly a hot take
>>99302328those SEA incels sound weirdly gay faggot to me
>>99300783>market demands upset meI'm seeing the opposite happening here. I'm seeing unicorns being demonized as incels and then being told to fuck off. So, tell me what are unicorns supposed to enjoy, if not vtubing. If not videogames, anime women, and moronic performant memery.
>>99301142>False, [...]That doesn't contradict any of what I said. Early vtubing and even early Hololive wasn't for unicorns. They came later and started acting like they own the place.>OH yea, how to forget how unicorns try to erase male collabs by... uhm... let me see... not paying for content they don't wanna watch... damn they're so evil huh?No, by bitching every time a female chuuba interacts with a male, antiing them for it, demanding Cover fire Holostars and all kinds of other shit. Nobody is trying to force you to pay for chuubas or content you don't like, not even beggars, we both know that's not what this is about. Case in point, this thread: you guys have been seething about Shiori's "respect my collab choices" from day one, and now that she finally collabs with males you seethe even more. You were also seething about ERB being a male collaber from the start, etc. etc. None of that is related to anyone "dropping a nuke" on you or demanding your money.>>99302414>>99303129Don't get me wrong, you won't see me take this retarded war to youtube comments and both sides are annoying when they do, but one of them caused the other.
>>99304113Vtubing is still idol stuff. It borrows heavily from idol culture so you're going to get idol-esque fans. Vtubing is parasocial at that. So it seems like you're just whining about something that happens by nature.
>>99302477>I've been watching vtubers since 2017No you haven't, lolNo idea why Beggars always go for the oldfag LARP when they get called out
>>99304113So your argument is vtubing was inspired by idol culture to begin with and when it saw greater support from unicorns it appealed more to unicornsbut they should appeal exclusively to people who support them less because you're just an unbiased centrist who thinks both sides are badYeah you didnt even deserve the "nice try"
>>99304113>Don't get me wrong, you won't see me take this retarded war to youtube commentsHaven't you been arguing on /vt/ about it for years though>Early vtubing and even early Hololive wasn't for unicorns. They came later and started acting like they own the place.Guess we should tell the girls to stop livestreaming and only do video content too? Or to stream to a couple of dozen people as well?What exactly are you trying to argue here? If you want to watch male collabs, go watch any of the girls who do them
>>99304113>you guys have been seething about Shiori's "respect my collab choices" from day one,Lol loser, I never watched Shiori but I finally watched the clip where she said that and, suprirse surprise, she never said "respect my collab choices"Lmao why are you whiteknighting for someone when you can't be assed spending two minutes to confirm what she said yourself?
Death to unicorns
>>99304214>>99304330Vtubing at its core is just a model voiced, and whose actions onscreen are controlled to the most extent the tech can currently do by a 3dpd person. So with this in mind, streamers normally play a character, and go through arcs. But now we have a character more detached from reality in the form of the vtuber.Idol culture would be a kayfabe trait (particularly emphasized by hololive these days), the worst sin a vtuber can do is maintain no kayfabe.
>>99304893...Because if they're going to play a persona, it helps if you act the part. It really seems like you just dislike certain things, and are extrapolating this to the kinds of fans that vtubing brings in as a whole. We have vtubers now as streamers being less kayfabe and more like typical North American e-girls. This was indeed a progression. How fitting it is that the unicorns who formed a great market force are now being demonized as incels, alongside this change. I'd like return to my first question to you, and ask what you think "unicorns" should/would enjoy, if vtubing as a whole, becomes less idol and detached over time.
>>99291520Nah guys like that actually exist unironically, one look at leddit will tell you as much. They really do post like that.
He was right.
>>99304818ehhh the DEFAULT shouldn't be unicorn friendliness and "i take my time to make friends before collabing" is a little close to "respect my collab choices" already
>>99305393>not a real fan
>>99297226lurk more
>>99305393>>99305427who this? was he banned too?
>>99305182You tied the wrong argument to the wrong poster, and I dislike you in particular. Idol culture is hololive kayfabe, with your retarded outlook you've managed to lump things like the pisscup vtuber, and AVtubers into japanese idol culture.
>>99305509He wasn't banned but his yt comment got deleted
>>99305509>who thisThat compilation image speaks for itself, it’s someone Shiori apparently didn’t want in her fanbase in favor of whatever the fuck is going on in OP’s image.
>>99303944The problem isn't that they enjoy something, it's that they demand totality. Let's say that unicorns enjoy GFE content and that there's some hypothetical chuuba who does 99 GFE streams and 1 male collab. What happens? Unicorns will bitch and moan, despite the fact that the ratio of streams is 99% in their favor, the mere existence of the 1% is unacceptable to them. It's not enough for them to have streams they enjoy, they demand the non-existence of streams they *don't* enjoy. And then it extends outwards: they don't just enjoy their GFE-friendly oshi, but complain about the non-GFE chuubas in the same corpo and even vtubing in general.>>99304492>Guess we should tell the girls to stop livestreaming and only do video content too? Or to stream to a couple of dozen people as well? >Guess we should tell the girls to stop [...]>What exactly are you trying to argue here?I'm arguing that you should exactly *not* do that, because that's the problem with what unicorns do. Stop telling the girls to stop doing XYZ, just watch the content you like and don't ignore the content you don't. If someone else likes it, you don't get to decide that they can't have that. And if no one likes it, it'll get no views and go away on its own anyway.
>>99305417>ehhh the DEFAULT shouldn't be unicorn friendlinessIn Hololive, it pretty much is to an extent>"i take my time to make friends before collabing" is a little close to "respect my collab choices" alreadyThose are two different sentences that both mean different things, lmao
>>99305427But 100 homo beggar tourists and twitter activists subbed to her and watched two of her male collabs (and none of her solo streams), surely that makes up for the few actual fans she lost who bought merch, went to concerts for her and who always watched her?No way those tourists who only came due to the male collab drama wouldn't stay and continue to watch her!
>>99304113i myself just hate the nijisis larping. the kind that think and say like male x female collab is peak, holo girl and hololive in general can only be better now if they collab more with male to be more niji. this is not make up, i saw cmt hoping hololive will be more nijisanji all the time when male collab happen. it make my blood boil with cmt like "i hope hololive will be more like nijisanji". go back to your shit hole nijisanji or find 1 out of 100.000 indie that collab with male you sick fuck.
>>99305673>And if no one likes it, it'll get no views and go away on its own anyway.Isn't this quite literally the reason why a lot of Hololive girls stopped doing male collabs to begin with?>Stop telling the girls to stop doing XYZ, just watch the content you like and don't ignore the content you don't.Same energy as "don't write negative reviews on products/services that you dislike">If someone else likes it, you don't get to decide that they can't have thatI'm free to do whatever I want, lmao> Let's say that unicorns enjoy GFE content and that there's some hypothetical chuuba who does 99 GFE streams and 1 male collab. What happens? Unicorns will bitch and moan, despite the fact that the ratio of streams is 99% in their favor, the mere existence of the 1% is unacceptable to them.Yeah because GFE content and male collabs are incompatible fundamentally. It'd be like a vegan restaurant having a single meat dish on their menuAlso who's your oshi, lmao. I wanna hear
>>99305673until it starts expanding and suddenly it's 1 or more every week and then just regular drop by chat or invade streams, or start cutting streams short just to go hang out with the dude, all this if nobody complains and she just has a melty instead it's never 1 out of 100
>>99305792who care? She doesn't have a big dream anyway, in fact she might be happier the smaller her community was. and she doesn't do big projects so she won't go broke.
>>99305673>Unicorns will bitch and moan, despite the fact that the ratio of streams is 99% in their favor, the mere existence of the 1% is unacceptable to themlike that cow that got motorboated by the tranny doll? yeah pure acceptable quality content
>>99289370I don’t fuckin care. Pretty sure her career will suffer but that bitch doesn’t care anyway. I guess that’s how she’s different than others.
>>99300783>Yes, posts like that are real, but they're a countermovement to push back against your shitIntentionally screwing over your oshi to own the unicorns seems like an odd strategy.
>>99306074You’re so right, S-Team.
>>99306334>oshithat's your mistake
>>99300783>You could have just watched whatever you liked and and ignored mixed-gender interactionsOdd beggars get really mad when this happens and unicorns take their views and money elsewhere.
>>99306435Beggars expect unicorns to subsidize the enshittification of their own hobby because their third world asses are too poor to do it themselves.
>>99305519Even if kayfabe wasn't present, hololivers abide in an idol company. Doesn't matter what you think of me, that's a fact. They sing dance and do idol shit.
>>99303233>>99303484Basically this, most people who stay have the hope that they get their viral moment and Holostars rise ince again and try to hold the front even if they have to get second jobs
>>99302477holy oldfag dysphoria
>>99306418I mean obviously if you have no investment in this hobby, it doesn't matter what they do lmao
>>99306322She's had melty's in her previous over forms over why she isn't popular after years of trying.
>>99306800you are popular once you're in hololive alr. you think she talk about popular like gura but she just need to be above holo ID
>>99306074she shouldn't have wasted the slot to a more deserving girl if she isn't dreaming big. Nijisanji would had been a more fitting corpo for her so why not join there instead?
>>99306800Must have hurt joining and then ending up as the runt of her gen
>>99306960niji is on the decline even before selen shock. she doesn't need to be gura level but she also doesn't want to be nobody either.
>>99306960NijiEN has prioritized men for the last 3 years. Good chance she did and just didn't pass the audition. Shouldn't have wished for their death, because now that they effectively are dead, Niji-tier vtubers are going to be joining Holo.
>>99307081this!
>>99305673I think that's ultimately a misrepresentation. Unicorns can be understanding, even forgiving, but missteps like turning on your fans, or liking cuckold content publicly, can really set them off, and for good reason. I won't deny there is a parasociality between the two parties, but it can be beneficial for everyone involved. I think most unicorns won't drop a tuber for a single male collab. It's more about what message is being sent.The reason why I asked you - or that other guy - what you think unicorns would like in lieu of vtubers, should vtubing as a whole become less "unicorn-friendly" is because I actually already anticipate for them to migrate to a different form of simulacrum.
>>99306771thats what it all comes down tohomobeggars are casual “fans” who straight up don’t care cause they have no reason to
>>99307526stop talking like sephiroth
>>99304113I'm the anon you replied to.First off, Unicorns didn't invade shit, they were basically pandered and called to, they answered the call, the problem arises when you have these chuubas who act like CGDCT, tell you how CGDCT they are and then fucking do a 180,if people complain bet your ass is because of a reason. It's simple>Unicorns don't want males>flock to someone who is CGDCT and panders to them>said chuuba does a 180 >fanbase is madThe fuck did you expect? a costumer will always complain when the product does something you don't want to.>No, by bitching every time a female chuuba interacts with a maleOnly if they pull a Kronii or Shiori, you can argue about bae and Liz, but they were mostly shitpost material for a while, no one cares except for a few retards>antiing them for it, demanding Cover fire Holostars and all kinds of other shit.Antiing a chuuba is for retard, most moved on long ago, do not put us all together or else I get the right to call you faggots hypocrites for 2 retards spamming catalog with shit.As for the homos being fired, they are not a net loss but are a net negative for Hololive as a whole and everybody knows it, shamefully they are cheap to maintain and bring money because of that single fact, they are not going anywhere and no retard yelling here to fire them will change anybody's mind, fucking get a grip.> Nobody is trying to force you to pay for chuubas or content you don't like, not even beggars, we both know that's not what this is about.If you weren't trying to force people to do so then you shouldn't be bitching about costumers bitching about a product they use to watch that now goes to shit.>Case in point, this thread: you guys have been seething about Shiori's "respect my collab choices" from day one, and now that she finally collabs with males you seethe even more.We all called them phasefags anon, if bait threads rile you up so much stop coming here, people shitpost about my oshi daily and I don't visit every fucking thread about it.>You were also seething about ERB being a male collaber from the start, etc.Yes, but people just moved on and called her a whore HERE, you know? the place that doesn't matter where we had some faggot explaining how he'll buy a yacht and fill it with femboy catgirls cosplaying as okayu to have a massive orgy??? agian, get a fucking grip.>None of that is related to anyone "dropping a nuke" on you or demanding your money.First off, she never EVER said respect my collab choices, I think you know that already, she was just vague as fuck and stayed clean 2 fucking years and then she collabed with the most hated member of Holopro, that guy is even hated by fucking /MANS/, then she proceeded to delete people who said they didn't like the collab, mind you, they didn't call her a bitch but just said they didn't like it, they got banned, serves them right? probably, but these guys were long time members, from then on she started going scorch earth on her fanbase and the beggars interjected, she was vague, farmed what she could and then did the collab, mind you this bitch use to be really fucking GFE so the backlash was greater.
>>99289370How are Shiori's numbers after this? Both CCV and Money?>inb4 didn't budge a muscle and the unicorns pay up myth is fake
>>99307724Go watch cocomelon.
>>99305673>And if no one likes it, it'll get no views and go away on its own anyway.telling them that will happen is kinder than letting it happen, retard. Letting them completely kill their career is not the good guy move you think it is, but then you're just being disingenuous anyway
>>99307526>The reason why I asked you - or that other guy - what you think unicorns would like in lieu of vtubers, should vtubing as a whole become less "unicorn-friendly" is because I actually already anticipate for them to migrate to a different form of simulacrum.Maybe they should migrate back to anime where they don't have to force their will on real ass people and remove all agency from them. This unicorn bullshit has been crippling the potential of a theoretically broad medium for too damn long. It should be relegated to niche sub-genres of already niche stuff, not the market leader of a massive form of content creation.
>>99309388Maybe you should kill yourself
>>99309388>force their will on real ass peopleor start writing fanfics about them instead lol. i'm too much of a coward to admit it non-anonymously but vtuber fanfics are the shit (SFW or NSFW) and there's no harm done
>>99309388>This unicorn bullshit has been crippling the potential of a theoretically broad medium for too damn longEven Hololive has non-unicorns and they're doing whatever they want so how the fuck have unicorns been crippling anything?>BUT UNICORNS WON'T GIVE ME CCV AND IF I DON'T DO WHAT THEY WANT
>>99309388maybe you should spread you wallet and bring nji en back then
>>99309577>unicorns are the insidious shadow force keeping holos’ oppressed>unicorns are also nobodies that don’t matter and never haveBeggars are never consistent in their beliefs when it comes to unicorns.
Anti-unicorns have been crippling the potential of a theoretically broad medium by not donating money and giving views to non-cgdct vtubersIts true
>>99309388speaking of audiences if making money is such an issue maybe vtubers and vtuber corpos should just host polls of "male collabs or not" and the option with the most money dumped into it wins
>>99309388Stop moralfagging for grown women that you've never metalso
>>99309655>anonymous board
>>99305937>Isn't this quite literally the reason why a lot of Hololive girls stopped doing male collabs to begin with?Maybe, as far as I know they often get pretty good noombers. But most of the seething I see is usually about chuubas starting to do male collabs, not stopping them.>Same energy as "don't write negative reviews on products/services that you dislike"There's a difference between writing a review about a thing you bought and being a Karen in the store. And don't write reviews on products you didn't even buy. If a chuuba pulls a full 180 or shamelessly lies to her fans then alright, I'll give you that. I sided with ex-boobros and -kichains when that happened. But that hardly applies to most chuubas unicorns complain about.>I'm free to do whatever I want, lmaoAnd everyone else is free to tell you to fuck off or to post comments like the one in OP's screenshot and yet here we are.>It'd be like a vegan restaurant having a single meat dish on their menuThen that restaurant probably shouldn't call itself vegan, in the same way that Holos aren't calling themselves unicorn vtubers (no, "idols" doesn't mean the same thing). But the vegans I personally know wouldn't refuse to eat at any restaurant that isn't 100% vegan, they'd simply pick one of the vegan dishes from the menu. And they'd eat it without bitching about the fact that the restaurant has other dishes on the menu, or demanding that all non-vegan restaurants should be closed or banned, because pretty much everyone agrees that the vegans who actually do that are annoying retards.>Also who's your oshi, lmao. I wanna hearOriginally Kizuna AI, now it's a smaller indie who I sure as hell won't name in a thread like this.
>>99309388>It should be relegated to niche sub-genres of already niche stuff, not the market leader of a massive form of content creation.It turns out that the demand for CGDCT is going to be popular precisely with the type of people who watch Vtubers. Who could have guessed?Like what exactly are you hoping for here?
>>99309776>they'd simply pick one of the vegan dishes from the menuMain problem is that there's not a blacklist when scrolling through youtube VOD's to avoid male collabsThis also applies to the arguably larger issue of FOTM slop flooding the VOD section although either A, you make a FOTM blacklist (wouldn't be received well) or B, you activate a billion blacklists for the dozens of FOTM games (too much computational time filtering them out)
>>99300783Unicorns seething jealously of male vtubers is wrong but that doesn't mean that Holostars fans that want to destroy CGDCT aren't doing this for selfish reasons. They want Hololive to move away from idol culture since they don't like CGDCT and instead of watching the thousands of EN vtubers that already do mixed collabs they want HoloEN to become another NijiEN. To move away from CGDCT content would lower the revenue for all the girls which is the reason that even Yagoo hasn't attempted to force HoloPro unity by releasing mixed gens.
>>99309949also people are acting like indie male vtubers are hounded by 4chan schizos when they're free, as another anon put it, to be an anime character doing kamehamehas on the playground at recess
>>99309388>It should be relegated to niche sub-genres of already niche stuff, not the market leader of a massive form of content creation.It isn't. It is the market leader because there is huge demand. What should and shouldn't be is a subjective issue. Go find your oshi and make her big if you want things to change your way.Or just keep seething like the impotent SEA monkey you are, nigger
>>99310014Do you know any vtuber groups (corpo or indie) that don't mind doing cross gender collabs? first stage production? i don't really wanna get invested into niji because it unironically seems like a black company (dokibird, mint, luna) even if hololive isn't doing too great these days eitherLorefagging would be nice too
>>99309776>Originally Kizuna AINo it wasn't, lmao>now it's a smaller indie who I sure as hell won't name in a thread like this.Then why do you give a shit about what happens in Hololive, it doesn't affect you or your oshi? Also does she do male collabs?>But most of the seething I see is usually about chuubas starting to do male collabs, not stopping them.Presumably because male collabs aren't actually that popular, lmao>And everyone else is free to tell you to fuck off or to post comments like the one in OP's screenshot and yet here we are.I think you're autistic
>>99289370Shiori deserves her fanbase.
>>99309694Those options were called hololive and nijisani and when the male collabs ruined niji, they wanted to turn hololive into niji
>>99310222Both of you are autistic
>>99310190First of all, I'm a white man shounenfag that sees vtubing as an extension of anime mixed with content creation, not a girlfriend simulator for lonely retards. And second, it's the market leader because of first mover advantage during a global pandemic. If HololiveEN started with a mixed gen, they would still be massive while having the advantage of not being shoehorned into a limited style of content. And best of all, no gender culture war (it would be some other culture war though). Hololive is successful in spite of itself, not because of it. That's what happens when your competition is constantly shooting itself in the foot.
>>99312296Nijicope
>>99312296t. mutt who doesnt know what a hostess club is or where half the talents have worked
>>99312296>If HololiveEN started with a mixed gen, they would still be massiveNo it wouldn't. It would've ended up just like NijiEN you retard. You have no fucking idea what you're talking about why are you opining on what works in vtubing when you clearly know nothing about it?
>>99312296>If HololiveEN started with a mixed gen, they would still be massive while having the advantage of not being shoehorned into a limited style of content.LMAO Then it wouldn't be Hololive. Do you think it's just a coincidence that Cover doesn't do this? The guys are segregated for a reason>lonely retards. You post on /vt/Also these what-if imaginations are so fucking hilarious. Instead of writing fanfiction, why not actually support companies who are pro-male collabs then?
>>99289370Do they realize they're more obsessed with unicorns than most of the unicorns are with the streamers
>>99312296Even Hololive has non-unicorns and they're doing whatever they want so how the fuck have unicorns been crippling anything?
>>99312464Introspection is not most SEAnigs’ forte
>>99312296“White”
>>99312296>I'm a white man shounenfag>shonen spic thinks his massively retarded take has any merittop fucking jej
>>99312296So you are just gonna ignore how niji was close to holo and then everything went to shit when they brought males into the mix? between female unicorns, sexpesting and high school drama holo would have ended up the same
>>99313213>So you are just gonna ignore howCut off your post here because yesHe's going to ignore everyting and craft a narrative that didn't happen to justify how unicorns are killing everything somehow
>>99289370what did they win?
>>99313213If it was males that did that, NijiJP wouldn't be thriving. It wasn't males, it was constant management problems, drama, all culminating in the black screen stream. If anything, NijiEN is another one that would have been better if their first wave was mixed like in literally every other first Niji wave. Then there wouldn't have been luxiem favoritism due to an untapped market, which wouldn't lead to neglect and Selen would still be with the company.
>>99313540Could you reply to >>99309577
>>99313540>NijiJP wouldn't be thriving.Is it though? Scandal after scandal, an absolute cesspit of a toxic fanbase. Niji is only successful because it's the mirror image of Hololive and it's boys attracted a lot of female fans who don't like the women.
>>99313540well now you're just self reporting as a tourist if you think NijiJP didnt have similar sexpest and bullying problems as NijiENDo you even know who Shino Raito was?Let me guess unicorns did that too
>>99312568People who don't like male and female collabs in the context of hololive aren't crippling anything. Just like anyone can take a hit or buff for any change in their normal content. Shiori's metrics weren't impressive before and they barely fucking changed.Most of this is just a extension of the current ongoing western culture war, complete with the telltale signs of tourist retards seething here, and the tranny side seething on twitter.
>>99313777>and it's boys attracted a lot of female fans who don't like the women.Which is fucking hillariousWomen love cbdct but every single male vtuber wants to collab with women desperately
>>99313567The non-unicorns are clearly discouraged by the culture because the invisible gun is real. Why do you think Shiori took so long to collab with men when she's been good friends with some of the Stars for years (one of those friendships goes back nearly a decade)? And there are clearly others that feel the same way but won't take that final jump for whatever reason. Does that mean FWMC would suddenly collab with men if the culture allowed for it? Probably not, but most everyone else would probably at least consider it if they weren't opening themselves up to the kind of harassment ERB got on debut or Shiori is getting now.
>>99313777Kuzuha's fanbase is majority men. Kane's fanbase is hovering around 50% men. Mashiro's fanbase is a whopping 99.1% men (when he plays Yugioh). You don't know what you're talking about.
>>99313782Of course NijiJP has its own drama. It's massive and has been for a while. And yeah, Raito existed and he got fired pretty damn quickly as he should have been. Niji is ass when it comes to vetting people, but they're still too big to fail at this point. The same can't be said for NijiEN after countless controversies ending in its own Channel Awesome style implosion. It's hard to come back from that, but the point is it wasn't a result of it being mixed gender.
>>99314172>Hiring male rapists has nothing to do with mixed genderThis is some kid of cope tesseract
>>99303030>I decide when a homo is a homo
>>99313919>but most everyone else would probably at least consider it if they weren't opening themselves up to the kind of harassment ERB got on debut or Shiori is getting now.Lol what? How does that explain why a bunch of HoloEN has never collabed with men? Are you retarded?>Shiori getting harassmentNo she isn't, lol. Posts on here aren't harassment, retard. Saying you don't like male collabs isn't harassment
The one beggar that constantly LARPs as an oldfag will always be funny to meI wonder what kind of cope he could come up with to reconcile how him using Ai collabing the The Anime Nigger once back then as part of his defense against unicorns and the fact that it was universally agreed upon that >we (yes we) hated anituber fags back when mori went on trash taste not because they were men but because they were faggots.
>>99313919bitching about a collab isn't harassment. the ones bitching about the collab do get harassed tho. You could say something as simple as "I don't like Holostars collabs" and you'll have a bunch of spergs coming for your head
>>99314754>I dont think it's a good idea to be associated with Trash Taste>get called every tumblr insult>Trash Taste are now associated with terrorismof course all those people would support the terrorism anyway
There are never going to be more useless “discussions” on the internet than those that take place in a vtuber board made on 4chan, maybe Reset Era and the most pozzed subreddits, but that's about it.
>>99314926Tweeting at them gore art and AI porn is absolutely harassment. And no, not every single person doing that was a false flag.
>>99315506I can find you a lot more people willing to hurl shit on main at people who complained w/o harassment than you could find people who actually did harass like that non-anonymously. It wouldn't even be particularly close, frankly.
>>99314754>I've watched chuubas since 2017>nu-uh, you haven'tImpeccable argument there, I'm sure you know better than me.>we (yes we) hated anituber fags back when mori went on trash taste not because they were men but because they were faggots.Sure, that would be a valid argument if it was just that one time. But you always use that excuse. We wouldn't have bitched about Mori if it wasn't TT, we wouldn't have bitched about Shiori if it wasn't Jurard, we wouldn't have bitched about that Kiara raid if it wasn't Vesper, we wouldn't have bitched about that other thing if it wasn't Flayon or Altare or Koefficient or a Nijimales or whoever else it happened to be at the time.
>>99316953>Impeccable argument there, I'm sure you know better than me.Not that anon but yeah, you do sound like you're full of shit lmaoLike you already admitted your oshi isn't even in Hololive so you honestly look extremely retarded trying to argue about muh UnicornsC'mon, anon. Does your oshi male collab or not?
>>99300783tldr fag retard
>>99316953It's not my fault everyone you mentioned is shit
>>99317060>Like you already admitted your oshi isn't even in HololiveYou're aware people can watch multiple streamers apart from just their kamioshi?>C'mon, anon. Does your oshi male collab or not?Why does it matter when we both know that whatever answer I give is gonna be wrong? If I said no, you'd call me a hypocrite, if I said yes, you'd claim I'm arguing about shit that doesn't affect me, or just call me a liar. I already named Kizuna AI and you did just that. I watch multiple chuubas, including Holos, both male collabers and ones that don't. I support over a dozen with youtube memberships and twitch subs. And, relevant to the thread, I also watched Shiori's PL who collabed with males back then too. But you're not gonna believe me anyway so what's the point
>>993133153 Shiori collabs with males
>>99320714surely you have lot's of memberships for the homos too right?
>>99305673>it's that they demand totalityYou're wrong.Unicorns only demand that those vtubers who DECIDE to appeal to them, don't betray them. Nothing else.
>>99305673>Unicorns will bitch and moansounds you're the only one doing that kek
>>99289370>(((())))Am I reading a lisp program?
Male collabs are like Batman’s no-kill rule. No one who wants Batman to kill wants him to kill ALL of his villains, just the Joker, because Joker’s a genocidal psychopath, the most evil of Batman’s rogues by a country mile, and who always makes the story around him worse off because of it. If Batman killed JUST the Joker, and nobody else, we’d be fine with it.Likewise, unicorns aren’t asking for a ban on ALL male collabs. Just the ones who collab out of spite, like Jared and Mags, who hate the chuuba’s fans more than they like they chuuba themselves. They’re constantly dramabaiting and hatefarming, literally the opposite of the pure positive escapist fantasy we expect when we watch Hololive. If the males they collabed with were just well-behaved, like Altare or Flayon, no one would have a problem with them. But because they ONLY pick the hateful males to bring onstream, it makes ALL Holostars look hateful and drama-obsessed as a whole. Just blacklist Jared, he doesn’t care about the chuubas, and admits he’s just in it to ruin people’s streams and kill the positive escapism dream of Hololive as a whole.
>>99321974>like Altare or FlayonTell me you're a phase fan without telling me you're a phase fan.
>>99315506
>>99322231If I WAS a phasefag, I’d be a Makinist, not a filthy male collab enjoyer
>>99307724He can't. Anti unicorns are truly the dark knights of vtubing
>>99305427>in japan>chasing after some stupid vtuber when you are in japanShkukd jave been chasing after actual asian girls, what a dumbass
>>99289370Bigger things to worry about such as who might be graduating soon
>>99297226It's even funnier when unicorns deny they're Holoan lolMaybe they got Mumei and Gura right but they'll be wrong on everything else
>>99300783Every last person replying to you is part of the problem. Wonderful.
>>99322716>Shkukd javeAre you drunk?
>>99322442Erina collabs with my cock.
>>99301691There's nothing normal about using numbers to attack Hololive talents and doxxing them on /vt/
>>99302477Everyone replying to you started watching VTubers in 2023. LMAO
>>99312464What they don't realize is that most of the "unicorns" they find annoying aren't actually unicorns and are just trolls.
>>99324434Very , i am probably gonna throw up in the nextv20 minutes
>>99305393Nigga looks like Noel Callahan
>>99307055Niji's been doing well on the JP side so you're wrong by default. Can't say this about Hololive, and you'd agree with me here seeing you're a unicorn.
>>99307526>Unicorns can be understanding, even forgivingHave you fucking seen the catalog of this board for the past 4 years? Don't give me the "it's beggars making the /#/slop outside /#/" cope btw
>>99307743A lot of words for someone who started watching VTubers with Hololive Advent
>>99298104strongest race btw
>>99309388I've been saying this for years. Really wish they would.
>>99312296I'm gonna stop you here because Hololive is 2nd to Nijisanji in Japan. You're right about it being the most popular VTuber group around the world though.
>>99314172That shit happened 6 years ago niggaNijiJP has had almost zero drama since
>>99289370Why does this dumb faggot use so many parentheses? That's gotta be autism.
>>99325617I mean, they're both white and male, but I'm not seeing much else for resemblance
>>99300783You're completely right and the fact that you got so many replies from unicorns and none of them could disprove you is fucking hilarious.
>>99305427This guy deserved the hate btw. He still threw a fit. Why even make a tweet about it? I hope Shiori and Jurard saw his tweets and got a good laugh out of it. Unicorns aren't welcome in hololive.
>>99314368>>No she isn't, lol. Posts on here aren't harassment, retard. Saying you don't like male collabs isn't harassmentyou clearly didn't see the posts sent to her. I bet she really liked the art of her friend dressed up as a nazi hanging her. Totally not harassment btw. Must have been a false flag!
>>99327477>make a single untagged tweet on your personal account>Throwing a fityou people have zero self awareness as you shit in the streets
>>99327923He wanted to make a statement. Fucking unicorns, crying whenever a woman speaks to a friend. Again, making any kind of post is throwing a fit. If he (or any unicorn) were logical human beings, they would have silently unsubscribed (I'm only saying this cause I doubt he was a member, I never saw him in chat)
>>99305427Also I think it's funny he made Rissa his new oshi considering she's collabed with a male before and is considering dueting with the holostars. Can't wait for another 'Guess that's the end of that' tweet.
>>99325995If you think this board's catalog is the complete representation for that, you're an idiot. Half of the bullshit posted here is ironic.
>>99328076>Go to M&G and FES>H-He's not a memberSure anon
>>99328260Show me in chat with a green name
>>99328189>and is considering dueting with the holostarsShe never said that
>>99321974>unicorns aren’t asking for a ban on ALL male collabslol, lmao
>>99328357She literally did. Watch streams
>>99328327Ok
>>99328425She never said that, stop lying
>>99328465>had to shop it to prove a point
>>99328526Keep hiding your head in the sand. Hololive is not a unicorn friendly corporation. Rissa hates it, she was defending Shiori to show you. Whatever though, I'll enjoy your tears during her duets with the holostars.
>>99328542??
>>99328576>Moving goalpostI accept your concession sister, Nerissa never said "I'm going to do duet with Holostar" but nice try anon
>>99328670>Talked about singing with men>was purposefully vague about -who-Yeah, I wonder who she's going to sing with.
>>99327303>>99304214>Vtubing is still idol stuff. It borrows heavily from idol culture so you're going to get idol-esque fans. Vtubing is parasocial at that. So it seems like you're just whining about something that happens by nature.Kizuna didn't do explicit GFE but she was still spiritually an idol, meaning she attracted unicorns by default. Vtubing is inherently parasocial. There's no getting around it, late-comer. Vtubing is appealing to men for this reason, even if you're not on the extreme end of unicornship. It's a one-to-many medium that simulates exclusivity. It's not niche and it's inseparable from this whole hobby, and it varies from person to person. Part of the reason anyone watches vtubers is to watch a girl do things... that's a unicorn trait. Every male that watches passes through it. That is naturally a part of the consumer model. Streamers lean into it and are rewarded for it.
>>99292480You lost
>>99328740She talked about a big Japanese artist, did you really watch her stream?
>>99289370Yes. If a stream doesn't appeal to you, simply don't watch it and see what the next stream is going to be. No need to bitch endlessly about it or boycott other streams they do that you like.
>Nerissa was talking about holostarSo why beggar had a melty over this?
>>99329163>melty>reassuring that it's okay if she collabed with the holostars and real fans wouldn't care
>>99329353Real fan only care about Nerissa opinion matters, sorry beggar-kun but this is what we call a melty
None of you niggers know what idol culture is. They appear on TV shows with males all the time. Stop pretending you know everything just because HoloEN, Phase Connect, and whatever "CGDCT" small corpo abide by your retarded standards.
>>99329529Rissa was showing her worries about the thought of it. They were trying comfort her
>>99329353>DUDE NERISSA ITS FINE>OK BUT LIKE WHAT IF YOU HAVE NO CHOICE>MAAM ITS OK TO COLLAB WITH BOIS>JUST FUCKING COLLAB WITH BOIS ALREADY
>>99329566>Phase>CGDCTKek nice one anon>>99329591No
Also Nerissa is not going to disown Shiori for doing what she wants. This is another reason why unicorns are losing. No one takes their shit seriously anymore when they're just a caricature of what Me Mania from Perfect Blue was trying to start a civil war and actually disrupting the flow of Hololive operations in the process.
>>99329608>I-IT'S NOT A MELTY I'M REASSURING HER >PLEASE NERISSA WE WANT YOU TO COLLAB WITH THE BOYS FOR THE CULTURE WAR!!!!!
>>99329696>NoI accept your concession
Nerissa is going to collab with boys with shiori, this is a fact. I got no clue after if she'll do any solo collabs tho
>>99329608>>99329804>I AM SILLYPleasantly waiting for your catalog threads for when Rissa does a Holostar collab. Just like you did with Shiori
>>99329857Concede what? You're a liar and you didn't watch her stream
>>99329968NTA she already said she wouldn't. But if she did end up doing a duet with Rikka for example, the backlash would be worse than Shiori's I fear.
>>99329968Sure and you'll create hundreds of bait threads while waiting for the Holostar collab
>>99329958>Nerissa insisting she won't collab with the males>Shiori and ERB working together to corrupt her, "just one try Rissa~">Nerissa gets mind broken and becomes a bigger slut than the two of them combined H-hot
>>99330094>Admitting that the REAL melty would be worseheh
>>99292480>>99300783this whole faggot vs unicorn fanbase war is so shit. People don't like watching whores or feeding into a streamer's whoredom and ego, get over it. If you want to watch a girl deepthroat a guy on stream so badly, go to twitch. This shit isn't idol culture and doesn't belong in hololive. there isn't really much more to discuss.
>>99289370Lmao, its funny that these people think they control unicorns OR content. Their voice is as large as the gifted membership they have. My voice is as large as the my Peko shrine that now has TWO 1400 dollar figurines. Try seething some more. I dont even need to raise my voice, i just need to open my wallet. And i have A LOT more cash to spend than a thousand of these homobeggars combined. Lets see who wins this race. Your oshi collabs with males? Cool, you support her then. >i like all her videos>i comment every tiemDo you have merch? Do you have a membershipbadge? Do you have voicepacks? Do you spend ANY MONEY on your oshi? You dont. Thats why your brand of vtubing is closer to fleshstreaming gooner content than it is to anime girls doing cute things. I always see people angry about unicorns. But i dont think unicorns are threatened. Thats just headcanon of people that are jealous of the wealth they share with anime girls that deserve it.
>>99289370It's crazy these people have zero self awareness, How can you call yourself "sane" when your more obsessed with one fraction of a fan base that dropped her than the actual streamer
>>99330120>posting someone who invited Taira Isao for her 4th Anniv live and did that Street Fighter tournament with NanaiYou're not good at this Mr. Unicorn>>99330172Of course it would be worse. Unicorns prey after the sweeter girls.
I don't care about any of this shit. I watch my oshi when she streams. Just remember that vtubers are like host clubs. You can have a host club or a hostess club, but when you mix the two together you've made a terrible mistake that will bite you in the ass eventually.
>>99330211It's nonsensical because parasocial bonds are the feature and everyone here - assuming they actually have someone they follow and watch streams - has been through it. Even if it isn't intended. It happens.
>>99330211Hololive isn't for you then.>>99330305>You dont. Thats why your brand of vtubing is closer to fleshstreaming gooner content than it is to anime girls doing cute things.This is unbelievable projection
>>99330211>isn't idol culture and doesn't belong in hololive.here are your unicorn friendly holomems btw
>>99330455Show me your membership.
>>99330479>Gura>Mococo>Raora>unicorn-friendlyAlso Mori and Kronii could be considered unicorn-friendly with their respective feminization arcs and no male collabs in years.
>>99330517>Inb4 doesn't pay for free content/I don't give money to women
>>99330565>Mococo
>>99330517>>99330579You don't need to talk about yourself
>>99330479You people cant help CONSTANTLY showing that you dont watch streams or even know anything about what you're talking about
>>99330517>Show me your membership.yes, and make the cursor cover the first R on the screenshot.
>>99330565Mori was in that blue faggots channel, I wouldn't say Mori is safe but definitely more feminine
>>99330595Unicorns hate Mococo because she doesn't like it when people spam ZOGOG in chat
>>99330621Holy ESL. I know for a fact you meant >you dont need to talk to yourself
>>99330380>posting someone who invited Taira Isao for her 4th Anniv live and did that Street Fighter tournament with Nanai>None of them are HolostarNice try Beggar-kun, Since you don't watch your boys streams, at least try to learn how to follow a discussion
>>99330709>Source: my headogey
>>99330769And real unicorns, particularly the /#/ regulars would call you a cuck.
>>99330455>Hololive isn't for you then.I curbstomp nijiniggers and twitchniggersI only watch holo for cgdct and music>>99330479a shame they're never going to survive more fes training and just want to stream with their friends
>>99330769Real unicorns feel more threatened by actual celebrities and claim that "professional collabs" do not exist.
>>99330799Can you show me when people on # were angry during Korone 3D live yesterday?
>>99330834You don't watch streams? Phase is more your speed.
>>99330305>>99330308The only way "unicorns lose" is if you denature vtubing altogether. I knew something was off about Natsumi. Regardless of what the industry became, you can't run off unicorns because all of the hardcore fans were unicorns at some point. In other words, they were always here. What's closer to what is happening here is a purity spiral. Probably from women who are ideologically reactive and cucks, basically, who lie to themselves and/or try to project maturity. Good grief.What's interesting is whatever change that happens will inevitably add pressure to the development of this next most immersive simulacrum.
>>99330960There weren't any males this yearAlso she had 150K for her 3rd anniversary live. Only 100K yesterday. Think about what that meant.
>>99330769These people dont understand what a unicorn is. They operate on the caricature of what THEY think a unicorn is. Once you realise this is due to two digit IQ, you realise these kinds of people do this with everything>muh unicorns>muh trump>muh putin>muh capitalismThey transform the thing they dont like into a cartoonishly devilish entity, and then they fight it to feel good. There are no facts involved. Just emotion. Thats all you need to know. They are children. Worse yet.... BROWN children.
>>99326204I'm aware and it was also largely my point. Niji had first mover advantage in Japan (for the reimagining of the medium) which is why they're bigger in Japan than Hololive.>>99326314I was talking about NijiEN. The point I was making was NijiJP's survival despite some drama here and there proved NijiEN's implosion wasn't because of mixed gender nonsense.
>>99330799>>99330885What's a "real" unicorn? Since you use this word for everything like this retard
>>99330986>nooo you can't enjoy the id@lshit from the top idol agency!! you have to watch ENwhores talk about men and how shitty their life is or you're not a REAL fan!!Sneedthe dumbass
life of a unicorn>go to walmart for tendies>see girl I knew from highschool with her partner>i am cucked>see employee with a wedding ring>i am cucked>see elderly couple in the parking lot>i am cucked>get home and see mom waving at neighbor>i am cucked>go online and see e-celeb girl interacted with e-celeb man>i am cucked
>>99331032>>99331053>they are emotional women>they are emotional childrenyes.
>>99331045The clown pirate is not a male?>>99331053Yeah it's the new buzzword like "parasocial" for these retard
>>99331070what the fuck did dooby even post?
>>99331070Someone who is clear in their standards. No males, never.
>>99330960They were livid. They were angry Mio and Okayu had to deal with it too.
>>99304852Hey there, S-team
>>99331053>They operate on the caricature of what THEY think a unicorn is.>>99331236>no males, never[forest]
>>99331232Nothing it's a retard who posted Dooby under Kirara tweet because she helped Kobo with tech issues
All I have to wonder is why every homo collab results in sex jokes.Shiori started ranting about semen with Jared
>>99331339I see them doryaaaaing
I'm confused, do you get upset when they read chat messages of guys as well? I feel you possess no testosterone if you're insecure enough for this to upset you.
>>99331612women only want one thing and it's disgusting
>>99331655Just admit unicorns are hypocrites in their entirety. No one takes them seriously for a reason. If they actually cared about Hololive they wouldn't have daily spergouts on the catalog over the smallest things. Forget Holostars, they even get offended when someone collabs with Kiara for example. THAT's the lunacy we're dealing with from self-proclaimed unicorns.
>>99331655Shiori went into someone other than Jared and started ranting about sluts.
>>99331786who gives a shit
>>99289370He's right. All communities are better off without unicorns.
>>99331655>I'm confused, do you get upset when they read chat messages of guys as well? I feel you possess no testosterone if you're insecure enough for this to upset you.Two digit IQ. But I'll answer it. Context matters. Meaning, what message the streamer sends to the audience matters more than what happens, in most cases. But you'd know this if you weren't a tourist, since all vtuber fans are unicorns for their oshi at some point.
>all these women that don't interact with men (while streaming as their personas)>unicrons still throwing a shitfit over the one that told them that she was going to from the startSeek help.
>>99331964Nah, I never felt like that anon. I think you're weak and insecure.
>>99331655>I don't like shit on my dinner plate>I'm confused, how do you shit then if you don't like shit? Do you just hold it in?
>>99331991>don't collab with males for nearly 2 years>start doing it randomly>act as though it's been normal>even make inside jokes only they knowNaruhodo
>>99331655>>99331758samefagging this hard. What, your other baitposts didnt get (you)s? At least change the way you talk and type next time you samefag, faggot.
>>99328844>Part of the reason anyone watches vtubers is to watch a girl do things... that's a unicorn trait. Every male that watches passes through it.I watch because silly anime people doing silly things is fun. I watch Oneyplays, Vinesauce, Kizuna Ai, Gura, Bettel, Neuro, Northerlion and Jerma all for the same exact reason; entertainment.
>>99331964>since all vtuber fans are unicorns for their oshi at some pointOh really? Does that mean every VTuber fan throws a fucking fit over the smallest thing independent of a male collab? Grow up. My oshi can do whatever the fuck she wants and I'm here to support her. I don't even think she knows that Holostars exists.
>>99332101retard?
>>99331991>Unicronbut you're the planet sized one
>>99332046>I haven't tried it, but I know it's shit! Where are my tendies??
>>99332067If i walked to you and told you I'm going to stab you in the neck woul you still be surprised if i did it two years later? This is on you, all of it.
>>99332067>dont male collab for 2 years>keep collab secret until last second>need 2-week subscription to even comment>ban day-1 members for speaking upAnd homobeggars still pretend like unicorns dont have a point here.
>>99332046Did this analogy make sense in your head?
>>99332046Yeah you only eat pagpag because "CGDCT" is just 2 Hololive members and Phase Connect
>>99332191The homos are so good barely anyone watches them not even the beggars. What a sad thing such top tier entertainers and non sex pests need a second job, very strange because the beggars assure me the bois are great! But nobody watches them! What a paradox!
>>99332181>Keeping the exif data of your screenshot intact.Uh huh, anon is the retard.
>>99332187Says the ham planet that thinks a streamer's going to fuck her.
>>99332232Counterpoint: Korone collabed with males in the past and her CCV hasn't changed. The only people complaining were autistic manchildren from /#/What the fuck now, niggerbitch?
>>99332232>>keep collab secret until last secondbecause she knew retards like you would get mad and send her death threats>need 2-week subscription to even commentsee above>ban day-1 members for speaking upsee above Everyone who got banned deserved it. They threw a shit fit, bitched and whined, said she and her FRIENDS should die.
>>99332232banning day 1 members was probably the worst absolute route, sure there was a hufta about it. Clearly she wanted a power trip and justification.
>>99332245How is a vtuber talking to her chat analogous to appearing on stream with a sex pest who has a notoriously cancerous fanbase of twitter trannies?
>>99332232She told you, lil bro.
>>99332455>Being a day one member should grant you total immunity to saying you want to kill Shiori and the holostars!
>>99331655people will say it's because chat is faceless nobodies but fail to acknowledge that also applies to themyou feel cucked by someone who sees you as a faceless nobody
>>99332447Show me a screenshot of that schizo shit>inb4 it's le fake
>>99289370EVERYTIME I SEE HOMOBEGGARS MAKING THREADS I ASSUME IT IS TO DISTRACT FROM SOMETHING ELSE AND I MAKE AN EFFORT TO SHIT UP THEIR SAFESPACES. not even a unicorn, i just realllllllly hate homobeggar troons
>>99332521Now we got Homobeggars powertripping saying Fuwamoco should be killed for giving unicorns power
>>99332521>Making shit upThe beggars aren't sending their best
>YOU JUST LOST YOUR CORE AUDIENCE
FWIW if you see death threats to a HoloEN member it's probably from a German. Those are the actual fucking worst.
>>99332607>Source: I made it up
>>99332447>death threatsIf you have to lie to make your point, what is your point even worth? I hate you lying kikes so goddamn much its not even funny anymore.
LOL get fucked Unicorns!Btw who's Gaga, lol is that like Lady gaga?
>>99332151If you've never had an emotional attachment to your oshi, as a longtime fan of this thing, you're simply lying. And you lumped in flesh streamers with vtubers which is different in ways.>>99332160Yes, really. It's just moralizing on your end. That's the unicorn in you speaking.
>>99332463Idk, when you start throwing all those buzzwords out you seem like a simpleton not worth acknowledging
>>99332680This, unicorns are so fucking delusional. Woooow, Shiori lost <100 fans! She's finished!
>>99332756Well VTubers don't make me angry. You're projecting. So get fucked.
How many more fucking threads are we gonna have dedicated to this jesus christ move on. You'll talk about how feminized she is in 2 years like it never happened
>>99332421She went from PekoMiko tier CCV to her current CCV, so that's not true at all
>>99332151>i watch <slop>No wonder your opinions are so shit. Jesus Christ. You have NO JUSTIFICATION whatsoever to act superior to anyone here when you stuff that normieslop down your throat like an overweight american pig.
Unicrons right now.https://youtu.be/AtrHExX2X2s?si=-FoDIpJVUO1clMua
>>99332861I still haven't forgiven Kronii and why should I?
>>99332848You get angry enough to project some kind of protective instinct. So, yes, they do. Face it.
>>99331655you're either very fucking stupid or pretending very fucking disingenuously to not understand the difference between reading 1 comment from a rando nobody thinks she's friends with vs constantly talking with another chuuba. anti-unicorns have this fucking retarded complete lack of understanding of what the problem is. it's like you tell them 1+1 = 2 and they agree, 3+3 = 6 they agree but if you say therefore 2 + 2 = 4 they'll suddenly be totally mystified and think you're crazy.
>>99332756>can't watch girl with an anime avatar without being paraoscial and falling in lovethe innocence is almost cute before these types inevitably turn incel mode when their love is not reciprocated
>>99332160>im here to support her>not with money though...>no i like her videos>i comment on her videos>thats how i support her teehee
>>99331655Fucking retard, you're here reading our messages huh? What makes you different than them?
>>99332067You forgot the complete tonal shift in her entire demeanor leading up to and after that first collab, on top of phoning it in at fesShe's changed, it's time to move on. If you don't like it, just jump ship and don't even humour homobeggars and xitter faggots
>>99332910The funniest part is novelites were crying HARDER than this over Shiori just doing a group collab. Imagine crying over a retarded dino playing games with your "wife"
>>99332965Yeah but if chat is a rando nobody... you have that same relationship with the vtuber. How you feeling cucked by someone who will never know your existence?
>>99332230Did you really think that was a good analogy?
>>99332965Thats because anti-unicorns are fighting a caricature of a unicorn, something they concocted themselves. Thats why all the arguments they have against unicorns are emotional, deceitful garbage. They dont operate on truth and reason, they operate on emotion and spite. Anyone would welcome unicorns, since their money actually keeps the talents afloat. But like the retards these anti-unicorns are, they think bills are being paid by likes and subscribes.
>>99333072She's openly talked about how much she fell in love with the homostars. It's not just one collab, it's been several one on ones, ignoring bigger events to do so.
>>99333098did you ever watch shiori prior to the malecollabs or do you not know she was pretty in on parasocial gfe shit? she would blow kisses to her chat etc. it's pointless to ask because I know you already are totally ignorant but just saying rhetorically.
>>99333159Still not as bad as Rushia. Shiori is still working at hololive. Novelite unicorns still reacted worse
>>99333042I'm not complaining about it. Most men wouldn't. Tell a healthy guy you're upset about this and watch how he reacts.
>>99332969You'd know from experience because you felt those same emotions. You're probably just another unicorn who overcorrected himself.
>>99333126If you want it to be anal i can always say I'm going to rape you in the shitter.
>>99333126Retards come up with the stupidest analogy's, I never reply with shit like that
>>99333215Yeah, I watch PoV porn where they flirt with me too. I enjoy the fake fantasy then move on. I'm not gonna cry if they later upload a video of them fucking a guy.
>>99333396You want me to rape your ass too?
>>99333141they're trained like that by twitter that if they're offended, they're right. it doesn't actually mean anything however which is how you get disconnects like sweetbaby-infected games in vidya or disney's garbage the past couple years going "pffft anyone saying putting in some ugly brown lady as snow white is just a RAAAYSIS NAZI, ignore every single word and argument they make and go ahead with it we'll prove them all wrong." anti-corns operate on that logic. it doesn't matter what you say to them, they are not here to actually-actually talk to you, just to get your attention so they can start lecturing to you while desperately high-fiving themselves/each other over and over.
>>99333048>just ignoreI have a feeling thats what actual unicorns are doing. They have a little tantrum, move on, take their money and love elsewhere. Its the homobeggars that keep gloating about the fact they actively fighting against what they consider toxic culture, by being extremely toxic to what i consider the original fans - or at least the most loyal ones. So they keep making threads trying to antagonise peopel that have already moved on; only to invite a third party to defend unicorns because they hate homobeggars so much. If you want to view it really black and white, they chose a lesser evil because homobeggars are just that vile. >vote NSDAP>because communists are just that disgusting>lesser of two evils>vote unicorn>because homobeggars are just that disgustng>lesser of two evilsNow i do not consider unicorns evil. They are a core element of vtubing. More so than homobeggars. But i just think this is what happening right now. People embrace unicorns because their antonym is just that fucking gross. I wonder what homobeggars think about he Rushia-situation. I feel like there is some hypocrisy to be found there...
TOTALUNICORN DEATH
>>99333553Unicorns will die when FuwaMoco finally do a male collab and Ruffians start to say they love the holostars
>>99333284I can tell you really need to believe this cope since you keep bringing it up.
>>99333541a phrase I recently heard that perfectly sums up what they're doing is "sore winner." they will take anything they can get and never shut up about it and angrily try to get everyone to acknowledge it long past the other side not caring to discuss it.
>>99320714I mean the opinions of a DD whore aren't all that important, are they?Also nobody is buying the oldfag LARP, to be clear. Could just post your memberships and it would at least prove that you're actually a fan of Vtubers for yearsAlso considering you've been arguing in this thread all day: yeah, I don't buy the fact that you're watching over 12 different people LMAO
>>99333640Fwmc will never collab with men, they are all in on the idol thing since way before they were vtubers, unicorns could flock to them but they choose to remain bitchless.
have you guys tried therepy
>>99324631Stop samefagging, retard
>>99333858Wrong, I knew they were all in. Day 1 membership with the rockathon. It was probably my favorite time.
>>99333858>Shiori will never collab with men, she's on the idol thing now
>>99330709What the fuck do unicorns have to do with the zogogo stuff? Why do words always lose all meaning here?
>>99333098>Doesnt know I exist>However a single untagged post expressing mild disapproval on my personal account is a shattering attack on her psyche she will never recover from
Nobody remembers how gigantic the news coverage for picrel was, back in 2013. Every single news outlet put it on blast, and it imprinted in normalfags and activists heads that "idol culture" must die, even 12 years later.
>>99334051Wasn't it outed that she shaved her head of her own accord? It's like the Rushia incident were she wanted the unicorns.
>>99305427>tako hanging with the shigga brosme before her woman moment
>>99334051You'll never guess what group hololive said they wanted to be like?
>>99334120Yes. Plenty of news outlets got that wrong, though.
>>99329739>Perfect BlueYou know that Kon Satoshi was pretty surprised to hear that Westerners thought that Perfect Blue was supposed to be a criticism of the Idol Industry, right?
>>99334030Everyone gets one guy'd, you're doing it to me right now
>>99308144who knows, she spammed a bunch of collabs afterwards and then took a break, i think she did like one or two solo streams since thenwe'll see down the line
>>99334220they didnt "get it wrong" they were trying to establish a narrativethey're still doing it to this daylook at the "Voice actor stabbed to death by crazed fan on livestream!" story recentlywhere it wasnt the voice actor they claimed it was, it was a streamer who had stolen money from a guy, was ordered by the court to pay it back and still wouldntbut they didnt report any of that or issue any corrections, even with the real voice actress and her agency asking them to
>>99308144people were gloating about how mori didn't suffer at all from all her male collabs and fan-shitting behaviors too. she had a stream get like 11k ccv "in response" to angry fans but within like half a year of that her ccv was in the toilet. it seems she became outright barred from mentioning trash taste and ecelebs in general after that and we have the current mori now that's been tardwrangled and gagged by management.
>>99334460Most of it was just connor being absolute brain dead. Which by the looks of it caused a rift in their friendship or whatever.
>>99310208SVP, globie, Aegis Link are some of the ones that come to mind. Phase does occasional male collabs too, they are already used to being called cucks so they don't care that much.
>>99334579yeah connor is nothing special really, just part of the general clique of "expats" (because apparently they're 2cool to admit they're immigrants) in japan talking about how great/terrible it is, depending on how much of clickbait they want for youtubebux. if it really truly fucking sucked, they'd fucking move. to live there and bite the hand that feeds and clothes and houses you is the most ungrateful asshole of behaviors, fuck those ignorant TT shitters.
>>99334823Only person that deserves there to live there is Chris Abroad, guy actually helps out the people there and gives spotlight to really urban area's. Joey's a weird one, one of those white guilt freaks. No clue about Garnt since it kinda feels like he's there on a vibe.
>>99333996This was true only in your head.
>>99335061People will say the same thing about Fuwamoco too soon.>They always told you they would!>Whatever, we liked them anyway
>>99335166At least you can point at something Shiori said to say "she told you she would." I don't know what you can use for Fuwamoco.
>>99334361>she stole money so it's ok to stab her to death!What the fuck kind of psycho post is this, I wish I could do a wellness check on /vt/ posters.
>>99335706your average unicorn
>>99335706>>she stole money so it's ok to stab her to death!Not what people said.The media tried to make it an "anti-parasocial" issue. Turns out it was a stabbing over her extorting money out of him. It's a completely different story
>>99335706>one guy doing it, for reasons that actually had truly nothing at all to do with any malecollab drama vtuber shit, means everyone is just like him and all unicorns are kooky curaazayAnti-corns need to apply for whatever propaganda arm of government they live under because putting bad faith spin on everything is all they do.
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