>gets all the opportunities>rest of EN is left to rotwhy would anyone stay when only one person in it being uplifted?>b-but she worked hard for her spotnot she didn't she was a drunken mess that got lucky because she lived in japan at the time.
>>99312001>gets all the opportunities>rest of EN is left to rotGood.
>>99312001She’s the second most popular member of myth the first and still most popular generation of EN.
>>99312001UMJ
>>99312001>Opportunities goes to the one who actually works hard and cares about her career>This is a bad thing
do you know how many songs she has broforget whether they are bangers or notjust get the number on how many
>>99312133only because gura check out it's not like she earn it she the prefect example of a company pushing someone to popular
>>99312055Fpbp
Who else should it go to?
>>99312001Yagoo feminized her now she’s a pro-ana idol princess who gets trained and does sexual favors for the sponsors just like in my doujinshis.
>>99312161kiara cares and works just as hard but because she wasn't bless with given the opportunity to get a music deal.
>>99312210She was always the second most popular in myth pretty simple. Anyway Gura had been semi retired for at least 2 maybe 3 years now.
>>99312274His oshi that doesn't put in 1/20th the work
>>99312001crazy how far she has gotten in spite of her music
>>99312179Quality>Quantityeven after all these song non them have passed RIP in numbers or popularity and that suck was mid as fuck
>>99312280And why did UMJ come to her with a music deal and not Kiara?
>>99312280Should've stayed in Japan KWAB
>>99312285>She was always the second most popular in mythno she hasn't ina is more popular then her mori can barely break 5k ccv and needs to be constantly shilled to even be popular
>>99312348because she sucked the right cock thanks to her "friends" that already had a in
>>99312406>ccvStop being brown
>>99312335Doesn't really matter. It's not like all her music views are centered on that song anymore. Over all her music gets a fuckton of listens, its just spread out over the like 100 songs she has now. >>99312457Cope, she had NO contacts at UMJ, just her indie ones.
>>99312406The Subs say otherwise I like Ina too but she’s boring and her design grew on me but I was indifferent to it for a while.
>>99312473Mori’s most recent song is mogged by ina tho.
>>99312487now this is cope, her song are trash and don't even break 1 mil within the first week. She hasn't had a hit since RIP.
>>99312001kys fag
>>99312280Kiara cares in the same way an overthinker cares too much about a task but ends up postponing everything. Calli cares and workaholics her way through life.
>>99312567>CopeOnly one coping is you. There is a reason she gets 3X more views per month on her channel than the next person. Her stream output is way down right now so you can;t also cope about it being VOD views. That's also why she has the second most listeners on spotify in Hololive.
non of you can repute that she's and the other girls that live in japan are getting favoritism while everyone else is left in dust.>just move to japan bronot everyone wants to live in nipland
>>99312675Bae or IRyS don't really get shit
>>99312644>Calli cares and workaholics her way through lifebeing a workaholic isn't a positive trait to have, most people that are workaholic are always miserable
>>99312764Bae gotten tons of support from management Irys gets nothing because nips hate halfbreeds
>>99312776It seems to be a positive for her. She is waaaay more visibly happy than she was in the first couple years.
>>99312764Both got the family mart sponsors and IRyS got the collab song with Motsu.
>>99312853sure buddy keep think that
>>99312838> tons of supportYou mean debt?
>>99312926ESL GOD
what is even the point of EN? they only get sponsor in japan and only the EN that live in japan get shit, it's basically jp lite at this point.
>>99313054To farm that sweet USD
>>99312210Gura is a prime example of wasted talent.
>>99313448and mori is a prime example of no talent
>>99312001I doubt anyone else wants the workload she has.
>>99313658going to the studio to record for 2 hr once a week isn't much of a workload. you really think she has time to go all those lives and underground indie lives she mention on stream if she was really that busy
>>99312406Ina does a lot of sponsorship but Mori has the big music projects that get her attention from the JP audience. Hololive does love their numbers so getting over 2M subs did boost Mori in a lot of ways. There is also many signs that management is upset with Ina and they have ignored her major collabs, delayed her merch, and they have "forgotten" her work visa.
>>99313533Sure that’s why she got to perform for the Japanese emperor and prime minister. Just to be clear, I think Gura’s got great talent as well. But whatever’s hapering her is holding her back massively.
>>99314055>holoEN>get her attention from the JP audienceshe done nothing to make her music big in the west she objectively a failer if all she can do is pander to jp
>>99313448>>99313533Hard work in the real world overcomes talent. Stop thinking that talent is the only requirement for jobs, when it is just a bonus. You can have all the talent in the world, but if you do not have the want to excel, you won't. Also, Calli's willingness to go out to the unknown trumps any talent.
>>99314100wow the person that gets shilled the most and was given all the opportunities got to do something cool
>>99314166This is massive cope. Pajeetkun
>>99314193>Hard work in the real world overcomes talentlmao no it doesn't if that were true anyone could be a big time movie star then
>>99314219And hoe dienstje end up in a position where she’s got all this shilling done for her? Just admit you’re mad she’s earned the success you wish someone else got.
>>99314244the only cope is from deadbeats thinking she hot shit when she can barely break 5k ccv
>>99314270Lmao. You're an NPC who hasn't really tried. In fact, this is precisely why you're stuck here.
>>99314270So you’re admitting Mori’s got talent as well then.
>>99314344by getting lucky that she lived in japan
>responding to a default mori thread 50 times in 2025
>>99314364>muh CCVHasn't mattered in anything COVER does
>>99312001>because she lived in japan at the time.How did she get to live in Japan at the time? Answer is obvious: HARD WORK
>>99314416I’m having great fun, he’s digging himself deeper with every post.
>>99314406naw you can be dogshit and get lucky
>>99314494And it hasn't changed: it still sounds like an upset 2view who thinks Mori stole a slot from her. Or fan of a 2view who thinks said 2view deserves mori's spot.
>>99312280Kiara is stupid and left Japan.
>>99312335don't give me that bullshit, zoomer. i told you to get the number. give a fuck about what you think is mid
>>99314485lol no her visa was going to expire if she didn't get lucky and join holo she would have been back to the states
>>99312055FPBP
>>99314364>implying ccv is her defining measure of success Streams are the side gig
>>99314523Ah yes, really sounds like someone who spent 90% of his money in the lottery.
>>99314582her visa expired
>>99314604Yeah but how did she get there in first place, genius
>>99312662Why is Elizabeth, Gigi, and Cecila so low? I really like them, tho i dont watch them ngl.
>>99314637>i-it doesn't countnow who's coping
>>99314604Happenstance =/= Luck.People who use luck are definitely idiots who thought they could tackle life with just perfect grades in Middle School
>>99314727by being an ALT bum lmao
>>99312133her CCV is lower than most of the girls at third rate corpos
>>99312001The power of Universal Music Japan
>>99314801Sure buddy
Real question how the hell do so many unemployed menheras even get to live in nipponland to begin with? Mori, Anny, Clara from PC. Rich daddies? Boyfriends? Good old dick sucking?
>>99314854she's streaming today I wonder if she'll break 3k ccv without being raided
>>99314753You apparently, I dont remember mori saying she wanted to be the number 1 streamer or something like that
>>99314886Really reeks of 2view seething. Just be honest.
>>99314886Mori comes from a well off family so that's how she got to japan
>>99314975>twists reality Proof of it? Or are you really that jealous lmao?
>2view who likely still has [Pre-debut] on her account still seething.
>>99315026go look it up yourself
>>99314753Nope, it doesn’t. Having lower ccv than members who made streaming their main focus would count if Mori didn’t have a label, several concerts (she’s doing one with KAF btw) and lots of music releases.
>>99315141ya your right it's why suisei has low ccv oh wait lol
>>99315141>she’s doing one with KAFno one outside this basketweaving forum cares about this in the west she is irrelevant in NA
>>99315120>Look it up>Grandparents have money but didn't help her family beyond paying for middle school>Got to Japan on JET programOk now what? As long as you have any 4 year degree you can do JET. She got in on her art degree.
> muh RIPNot every song has to be "Bohemian Rhapsody" for an artist to "make it" it just takes one song."I want it that way" has funded further Backstreet Boys albums way after their shelf life."Perfect" has Sheeran set for life.You blame these people for Happenstance, and cry luck, but you are still in 4chan whining , LMAO.
>>99315180EN and JP are two different animals and you know it.
>>99315299>JP doesn't countjust stop lil bro it's getting pretty sad
>>99315245Now you’re the one going>I-it doesn’t count
>>99315299she panders her music to JP it's pretty telling when she doesn't have high metrics
>>99315393>just stop lil bro it's getting pretty sadHey, this is the same thing I was thinking about you!!
>>99315393Anon, if you don't realize it yet, streaming is just one part of COVER's vision of what a vtuber is. In fact, it's on the tin: Virtual Youtuber, not Virtual Streamer. A Virtual YouTuber can be a streamer, but that isn't what it wholly entails.
>>99315451Dude, this hobby is japan-centric. You're crying about anime girls having a mostly JP audience.
>>99315621and yet they built their popularity from streaming and the most popular talents are all streamers
>>99315693And both Suisei and Mori proved that they can cast their net further
>>99315744only suisei has proven that, mori can't even cast that net in NA she left with the scraps and handouts of suisei career
>>99315693Yes and in another catalog thread, you're whining about the direction COVER wants. At least don't play dumbass and pretend.
>>99315451>489K monthly spotify listeners is bad>being amongst the top 5 viewed yt channels is bad metrics
>>99315815Dude, a vtuber in the US billboard charts Is unheard of.
Mori is never going to surpass any big JP artist and she's never gonna break out into the mainstream in NA. Meanwhile all the support is going to her while the branch rots. All the smart girls are already jumping ship early.
>>99315914if you ain't in the top ten then you might as well not even be listed
>>99315920Dude just stop. You think Mumei quit because Mori "got all her opportunities" LMAO.
>>99315976>I-it doesn't countOk
>>99315896lmao that massive gap between her and suisei
>>99315976You're literally moving goalposts now, we're done talking
>>99316034Yes, moving goalposts, I didn't know top 5, company-wide Is bad.
>>99315993>he thinks it's about her being sickyou mean like how sakamoto was "sick" and is re debuting
>>99316034You're deliberately ignoring she's mixing it up with JP heavyweights
>>99316111Yes. You're retarded as Mumei's RM has spoken and does not want her to be used in any kind of smear campaign against COVER.
>>99316045>>99316106>>99316122gura is effectively gone and is on there, aqua is gone and is still on there. Am I suppose to be impress?
>>99315896If you release 400 songs and each of them gets 100k views you're not doing as well as someone who releases one song that gets 40m views even if the number of views is the same
>>99316335Anon, circle back to >>99315286Also, the Math is off.
>after 5 years still makes you sneedkek
>>99316447It's really funny. I also like how he's sure that gura is gone lmao.
>>99316232aqua and gura are big shots and mori is way past them. gura is at the bottom of the image. just say you hate mori and move on.
>>99316335it's just deadbeat cope
Kill all deadbeats. Nobody gives a shit about Mori. Nobody cared before, nobody cares now. Stop shilling your fat ugly bitch whore you annoying cunts.
>>99316517>mori is way past them>only when they soft retired or graduated could she have pass themlollmao
>>99316636>hes ignoring everyone between aqua and gura nowjust say you hate mori bro its ok
>>99316636>They could totally beat her. T-They're just not trying!
>>99314801Only dumbos care about ccv
>>99316636This is like hating on a top-5 Hockey player because he isn't Gretzky.You know who does these kinds of statements? Absolute posers.
It's really sad that there are like 5 deadtards running around the place spamming Mori's Twitter posts because they don't see it happening naturally at all because nobody actually cares about the fat personality blackhole.
>>99312133>>99312285she didn't earn her spot the most popular chuuba basically soft graduate, which is kinda sad you all claim she's a hard worker yet she could never reach #1 it had to be handed to her lol
>>99316857vtubers?
>>99314100GHAHAHAHHA YOU STUPID FUCK NOBODY CARES ABOUT THAT SHIT EXCEPT DEADFAGS.
>>99316859It's more like the same 2 or 3 antis making damn near every anti post at this point since she hasn't fed them in years and only the most schizo ones are left.
>>99317029Shut the fuck up, faggot. You losers are so fucking desperate for any validation for that dumb cunt.
>>99316926So you admit it. It's a very apt analogy. And this applies to any hobby.Hating on any main FF character because he's not Cloud, is being a poserHating on any DB character because he isn't Goku or Vegeta is being a poser.I could go on.
>>99317100You also validate her with your impotent seething. Thank you, butt-blasted samefag.
>>99317100Keep crying little bitch
>>99317100Jesus Christ the irony in this post is fucking hilarious.
You know, can holobronies really afford to be antiing themselves and shoot within the company at this point? You retards are sinking fast, and every day is just an exercising of defending yourselves it seems.
>>99312055This. No one else in EN can sing anyways.
>>99317257Anon, sure they're sinking: Mori going to do her first anime OP and Suisei is doing G-quaxxx's ED.
>>99317317>then when the idiot gets mad, he falseflags as a dead beat.
>>99317025Apart from her own JP senpai? >>99298259>>99300185The general JP audience? >>99231918 What about her recent concert? Here you go,https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G5Okk9sYI_k>>99280813https://www.excelsior.com.mx/funcion/mori-calliope-la-diva-digital/1710328https://www.malaymail.com/news/showbiz/2025/04/11/virtual-idols-real-ambition-how-hololives-mori-calliope-is-leading-japans-vtuber-wave-into-the-us-spotlight/172707
>>99317100Look at a mirror fag. You are so desperate for someone to validate your jealousy. Move the fuck on, it's been years
>>99317395Ok? I genuinely don't care. Just like I don't care for the hundreds of other artists and bands that have been making anime OPs or EDs throughout the years. Do you enjoy that Hololive is just a constant stream of negativity these days?
>>99317465What?
>>99317712Well, the reason for your feelings, is that you're terminally /here/.
>>99312001Oh, so we're done with the blame game regarding Gura, now we realize she doesn't do sponsorships anymore and it's Mori+Fuwacoco that's the problem.
>>99317579Uh, yeah, this is exactly what I mean. Also quoting the Malay Mail is actually insane. Have a little more self-respect than seeking validation from a local tabloid in Malaysia.
>>99318122>It's not the NY times so it doesn't count.See>>99317114
>>99312001>Works harder than any of them. Gets rewarded. So weird.
>>99312280Kiara left japan and can't write her own music.
>>99318431The funny thing is that Mori actually tries to involve others, only to be told that it's her that's needed.
>>99318122It's a syndicated article from AFP, dude jsut grabbed one of many places that posted it. Lots of places posted the same article. Kinda like how actual news places just repost AP articles. https://www.france24.com/en/live-news/20250411-digital-divas-can-japan-s-virtual-youtuber-craze-crack-americahttps://www.rfi.fr/en/international-news/20250411-digital-divas-can-japan-s-virtual-youtuber-craze-crack-america
>>99314886>unemployedBy not being unemployed. Mori was not unemployed, she was working. Japan generally doesn't let people freeload in their country, you have to be doing something if you want a visa.
>>99312001why not
>>99312001>that got lucky because she lived in japanDo you retard though Fuwamoco and Biboo moved to japan just because? kek
>>99314886>unemployedNigga, Mori had THREE jobs when she first started in Holo
>>99318856>>99320816ok my bad why are anons shittalking her and saying she was a "drunken mess"? Who am I supposed to believe here? Theyre all so protective of their PL so newcomers have no way to know the truth and it is a good thing to question to what extente are these nepohires and similar bad practices for a company
>>99318053>Mori that's the problemalways have been
>>99318585it's almost like a fulfilling prophecy>she gets shilled the most>why do they only want me
>>99316335still a grindset
>>99318991>moved to japan if you want supportlmao cover such a shit company, no wonder so many are leaving
>>99322824>ya bro just keep pumping out shitty songs one will be a hit for sure
>>99312001Shes an american blonde, jps dont care. You know how people here want an asian gf, people in jp want a blonde gf
>>99323011>Shes an american blonde, jps dont carekek jp care more about looks then Americans
>>99312406>>99314364You keep throwing this 5k figure around when it couldn't be any further from the truth lol
>>99324815Oops forgot my imageRead and weep cuck lol
>>99314886Mori had a visa because she was working as an English teacher in Japan when she joined Hololive.
>>99325483Dude, you can't read? It literally says 9k
>>99325483I'm really sorry, none of it says that COVER values CCV.
>>993266149k after someone raids her
>>99326614Yeah I know, I'm calling a retard for throwing around this 5k ccv metric he made up, when in reality she's averaging 9k in April and 7.6k ccv for the entire year of 2025 lol>>99326731Yeah they don't, which is why caring about it in the first place is brown-person behavior, but there's no need to lie about an objective measurable stat
>>99326801>TH-THAT DOESN'T COUNT!!!If you're gonna do this cope, then nobody in EN besides Biboo should have a "good" CCV in your eyes since they all raid each other (and Biboo gets botted so there's no point in flexing her CCV)
>>99326948Im sure she'll get 9k on today stream lol
>>99327086no in EN gets good ccv but your pink whore is at the bottom alone with the orange bitch
>>99327194You really can't read? She's literally third, just begind IRyS and Biboo.
>>99327129Lmao you keep twerking for today's stream cuz you DESPERATLY want to victory lap over her not potentially not getting big noombers while overlapping the big gartic phone collab >>99327194>no in EN gets good ccv>but your pink whore is at the bottom alone with the orange bitchHoloEN average CCV from January to March 2025 (https://x.com/Holo_Data/status/1907343997296877623))1. Gura = 21,7882. Biboo = 13,1793. Mumei = 12,2734. CC = 9,1365. Ina = 8,2956. IRyS = 7,8227. Mori = 7,6868. Kronii = 7,6509. Gigi = 7,43810. Nerissa = 7,04311. Fuwamoco = 6,73512. Kiara = 6,14813. Bae = 5,51914. Raora = 5,35115. Shiori = 5,03316. ERB = 4,842Pls stop trying to argue CCV brown-man, you know nothing
>number of goals don't count, only headers do!>number of points don't count, only assists count!You're really too fixated over something that COVER doesn't give a damn about.
>>99327539Im not the one defending her low ccv or various fail songs and mvs
>>99327369>>99327695Anon, songs are meant to be heard on Spotify. Stop romanticizing short term views in YouTube over long term listeners in Spotify/Apple Music.
>>99327695>ignores the post showing she is basically middle of the pack for CCV EN since it makes him look like a retard
>>99327129>Playing a fangame under 200 reviews on Steam for the second timeThat wouldn't be the "gotcha" you think it is
>>99327794>listeners in Spotify/Apple Musicall come from JP/SEA she has barley any EN listeners, holoEN btw
>>99327896>all come from JP/SEA she has barley any EN listenersShe's literally charted on multiple different US/American based Billboard charts, stop coping lol
>>99327896every other HoloEN talent is the same, what are you getting at here?
>>99327896Boo hooo anime girl has Japanese fans. This is like complaining that the Beatles' US fans don't count because they're British.
>>99328041you mean a western ban that was popular in the west
>>99328095What does it mean to be stuck in the 1950's?
Ignore him, he already admitted his mental illness. The /bant/ thread really showed it's the same retard most of the time>99327194
This fucking thread kek, deadbeats really can't cope with the fact that their oshi is a washed up whore that nobody outside of /here/ cares about.
>>99327695>"Her CCV low!!">But she has the 3rd highest CCV in April and is middle of the pack for the entire year>"Her songs and MV are falling!!">But she's regularly in the top 10 of the most viewed Holos on a monthly basis, and has the 2nd most Spotify listeners out of anyone in Holo What a sad little delusional cuck you are
>>99328272>/here/ So why are you /here/? To "educate" people /here/ lmao?
>>99328368to collect as many (you)'s as they can
This pajeet is actually delusional and can't see the proof in front of him. Too much Ganges river water think.
>>99328705this why you'll never get flags it will just turn into /pol/ but with vtubers
>>99328853It already is /pol/ with vtubers. But I agree that we'll never have flags.
just let the woman chase her dreams god damn
>>99318855Aren't you kind of burying the lede here which is that if this is an article that has been posted across many sources then the only reason he would choose to link a Malaysian source of all things is because he himself is Malaysian? That seems like a key point that gives a lot of context to this discussion. I could further prove this because I bet he has no idea what the phrase "burying the lede" means.
>>99314933currently at 3.5k at pre-game zatsudan
>>99312001>idol company>look inside>gura: 4 songs>ina: 3 songs>amelia: 2 songs>mori: 80 songs>kiara: 13 songs>fauna: 2 songs>kronii: 2 songs>irys: 25 songs>bae: 18 songs>mumei: 3(4?) songs>sana: 1 song>shiori: 0 songs>fwmc: 1 song>biboo: 1 song>nerissa: 5 songs>ERB: 0 songs>CC: 0 songs>GG: 0 songs>Raora: 0 songsWooooow, it's almost like everyone else is fucking useless and mori is carrying the EN idol scene
>>99330706>everyone else gets shit support so it takes well over a year for a single song if not longer>Mori gets way more support since debut and is actually able to release songs regularlywow so much carrying and totally not her ass being carried
>>99331073they should shake hands with smaller producers then. it seems mori has complete control over who she collabs and does concerts with, I'm sure everyone else is the same. The only issue is most of the music side comes out of their own pocket, and these streamer girls aren't willing to cough up money if the return isn't worth it. There's no quota on making music in this idol company so they end up not doing anything.
>>99331073Mori had 2 EPs, an album, a remix EP and multiple singles out before label became a factor
>>99330706Everyone else in EN is lazy and wants to pull a Fauna or Gura but aren't popular enough to do it. Mori is the only one that like hololive and working. The others.are grifters who are only in it to fleece as much money from simps.
>>99329141Not at the cost of EN getting fucked over
>>99331631>M-MORI PLEASEEEE LEAVE SOME MUSIC FOR US, WE WANT TO BE IDOLS TOO! YOU'RE STEALING ALL THE COLLABS AND CONCERTS !!People really think this is how it goes?
>>99314193>hard work trumps talentha... hahaha.. HAHAHAHAHAHAImagine having to give 110% to compete with someone doing 20%.
>>99331073Dude, people who do not work and always blame others for their failures are the only ones who blame "Luck"There are only so few times you can use this excuse for. You can keep blaming everyone else for you not getting the opportunity, but are you doing enough?
>>99331886>Imagine having to give 110% to compete with someone doing 20%This is why Suisei and Miko are such bitches.
>>99331631EN isn't getting fucked over. EN is getting outpaced by her work ethic in music. huge fucking difference here bro. Half of these chicks are bowing out of hololive, lol.
>>99331886Wow, you just described Kobe Bryant competing with Vince Carter. Guess who has more accomplishments
>>99314270>>99331886Talent without any hard work equals jack shit. Where is Gura's album? Her sololive?
>>99331354yeah she got preferential treatment since debut I literally said this>>99331946notice how I never said luck, management support shouldn't be fucking luck, it's happened multiple times where girls get a new manager and their project output goes way up. Some girls literally just get better managers and Mori got the most proactive one in EN early on that carried her until she got a record label to carry her even harder
>>99332169Maybe because the Japanese people she works for got endeared to her work ethic.
>>99331631Look Anon I'm sorry, but COVER was compromised the moment it issued an IPO. Its board room is infested with boomers and Morgan Stanley. Some of the girls are going to punch out because they won't tolerate shareholder bullshit, some of them are going to try and ride the wave to bigger and better things. It's just the nature of how this shit works.
>>99332169Mori had Kiara's manager which she herself hated
>>99332169You signed up for a Japanese company, Japanese company culture looks at hard workers as an asset. Then you complain that going 20% isn't cutting it!? Are you retarded
>>99312001Her, Biboo, and Gigi. It's all so tiresome
>>99330706>gura: 4 songs>ina: 3 songs>amelia: 2 songs>mori: 80 songs>kiara: 13 songsMori has a music contract with Universal so management bends over backwards to help release her music as quickly as they can and most other talents have to fight Hololive every step of the way to get their original songs released. There is a lot of other stuff going on with management that is causing delays but even back in 2021 when the model redesign fights hadn't turned into a war there were talents that had trouble getting anything from management. They are the EN branch so they are either getting ignored or management is actively sabotaging them (management "forgetting" to renew the work visa for Ina).
>>99332292>>99332502>everyone that gets treated like dirt by management is lazy>>99332397Kiara's early manager was shit cause they ignored her to do more for Mori
>>99332552What if Biboo and Gigi were called Googoo and Bibi instead
>>99332660just say that you don't respect the grindset
>>99330706>ERB 0>Nerissa 5Arent they suppose to be music holos too? What happened?
>>99314193>>99331886Do not utter that fucking retard's name in my presence again.
Awww did someone fail their holo audition again? Maybe its time you gave up and get a job.
>>99333288Quite possibly the same person for the 5th year.
>Seething about Mori>Blaming her for HoloEN's downfallIts like I'm back in 2022
>>99330706>carried by the brand power which was built from the ground up by her genmates, Gura and Ina, and to some extend, the JP girls>carried by her design "kakkoii karri" >carried by her managers >carried by the fact that nips were obsessed with rap and would settle for anything >carried by the fact that normalfaggots will flatter you till the end of time if you collab with males to own the unicorns (albeit at the expense of the brand's image)wow it's almost as if those songs lack any real purpose
>>99333943>this bait thread is still upit really is like 2022!
>>99327449>not streaming>still at the toppink woman can't compete
>>99335532>cope>cope>cope>cope>seethelollmao
>>99332169Mori got the same restrictions as everyone else and regularly got screwed over by commissioned mixers, MV makers, etc., just like everyone else. There's a reason she made most of her own MVs in the beginning
>>99335860> he's a great shounen protagonist, but he's not goku!You really sound like a poser.
>>99332597Mori had twice as many songs released when she was signed to UMJ 3 years ago than the next highest Kiara has now. Her release pace hasn't changed much since being signed either, she jsut doesn't have to pay out of pocket anymore.
>>99316636Mori was always ahead of Gura in total views
>>99336128Quality>Quantity anon
>>99335860He may be a great chef, but he's not Gordon Ramsey!
>>99312457>source : my ass
>ook ook /#/ ook ook
>>99336410No, if you're insinuating that Goku = quality... you might not be the brightest tool.
>Sora Amamiya thread>in 2025But why!?
>>99336628i wasn't. i was talking about gura and mori. You're the one who picked goku
>>99336859.5 *2 >Zero * 1 There is no value in quality when there is no output.
>>99337028ok debbie i lost you
>>99337491If there is no output, quality is also zero.
>>99312210Your post is the prime example of an triggered ESLbud
5 years and still counting you retards never learn lol she become more japanese and strong the more anti'd her. in fact the moment you retards made this kinda thread there is some big deal happening to her
>>99337571so many output but no quality is also zero?
>>99312348Because she sounds like shit and is a bitch
>>99332597Outfit schizo..
>>99337759>she become more japanese and strong the more anti'd herthat's the plan
>>99337800You can't declare something as having zero quality just because you don't like it.You are sounding like those posers who hated boy bands and think you're cool for hating them.
>liking any other hobbyitem besides most popular hobbyitem is le bad.This really reeks of poser
>>99338503You can't declare something as having good quality just because you like it.You are sounding like those posers who pretended that they've always liked nujabes and that he's always been 'cool' even though nobody cared about him before he died.
>>99338885So who decides which has quality, you?
>>99338885I'm talking about a whole class of artists, you're talking about a specific one.You're sounding like that schizo who called a Korean rapper a fraud just because in his world view, rappers don't deserve degrees, especially from Stanford.
>>99339074>>99339366i'm back from taking a shit and desu i forgot what we were arguing about
>>99312776The corpos like that in an employee
>>99312001>rest of EN is left to rotwhy didn't they just debut in the first gen of EN if they wanted more opportunities?
>>99317712Hololive isn't a constant stream of negativity these days. /here/ Is a constant stream of negativity. Do you enjoy that? if not why do you participate in it?
>>99312001She went from my least favorite EN to my best oshi.I really thought her career was over during her Twitch drama.
>>99340582It wasn't always as bad as it is now, that's the sad part. Many of the splits had very positive posters that cared about eachother. That changed a year or two into the COVID chuuba boom.
>>99312001Here, have a (You), since you asked and gobbled so nicely. Now go away.
>>99330570Bumping this cuz I want to laugh at you lol
>>99342537It's obviously going to say the raid cope.
>>99342644Would be super funny cause it was a raid of only about 1.8k~ people
>>99342537oh, I was already making fun of him about her not passing 3k, this is just funnier
I'm not going to say Mori doesn't work hard, but she sort of has to. Her music sucks and the only reason it has relevancy is because the Japanese don't understand how bad the lyrics are and it's shilled heavily by Hololive. Also she just pumps song after song out like a fucking song mill so altogether they're bound to get a decent amount of views due to the corporate backing. Her actual streaming is pretty boring and she's basically just relegated to the EN version of Suisei... except she doesn't sell in the US. Why? Because her most well known song is wigger rap and the stuff she does in Japan just sounds terrible over here. Japanese are like toddlers when it comes to English. Saying a few words in Japanglish is like dangling keys in front of them. I think Mori is the only talent that unironically is able to make these cringey songs over and over because she unironically thinks she's a great artist.
>>99312001So who "deserve" it besides Mori?
>>99342871>except she doesn't sell in the US.>opened a merch store in US successful enough for UM to note it in an interview>sold out a solo concert with no guests a week before Feson how many levels of cope are we now
>>99342936On the same level of bait this whole thread is on. That is, gigantic, and very much evident.
>>99342997And you're coping because you keep using this circular argument, thinking you've "won"
>>99341325i shit you not you had people talking that fucking holostars dealing with management issues was not something to be laughed at and should have been taken seriously when a thread was made about how a lot of hololive talents were graduating/vt/ can be a source of productive discussion, the right anons just need to show up
>>99343213Im on your side retard, though i recognize im also a retard for not stating im NTA.
>>99342871>I'm not going to say Mori doesn't work hard, but she sort of has to.conversely i feel like half of hololive gets overcompensated for their efforts because there's always unicorns/gachikoi that see even minor accomplishments as amazing due to love goggles>the only reason it has relevancy is because the Japanese don't understand how bad the lyrics arei wonder how much this applies to english fans thinking mediocre japanese songs are awesome
>>99332087who and who?
>>99332097Im sure Gura wants to perform at Budokan lol, lmao
>>99342936what's UM?
>>99343630Universal Music, her label.
>>99343593had to look them up, its sportsball, niggerhoops to be specific... Americans are retarded. And whats worse, they give 110% to be retarded, while SEA has a talent for it, only needing 20% to be retarded.
>>99343661oh, then i think them mentioning her in an interview is very normal
>>99312675So you are suggesting that Cover build studios in EU and US to be on an equal footing?
>>99343734It was a thing specifically about financial stuff with the label not the music.
https://www.billboard.com/music/music-news/universal-music-japan-global-approach-1235258167/
>>99343509you could argue that is what happened with city pop
Absolutely insane thread
>>99314574there mindset is really fascinating. they live in their fanfic world where cover is like an entertainment giant that everything the girl gets was cover given to them. the reality though is more boring. it's all decided by the sponsor who only care about number
>>99343888Honestly I dgaf about city pop lyrics I just like the music itself
>>99335532>>carried by the brand power which was built from the ground up by her genmates, Gura and InaThese post is really odd to be cause she's had more subs than Ina since day 1, and since 2021 she's lapped them stream hours You're frankly insane to think they've done more to "build the brand" than her lol
>>99343878so like hololive and holopro
>>99342871She just had a sold out concert in Hollywood
this is why we need flags, you'll immediately see the SEA fold and shrink into the crevices
>>99346504Most SEA posters on here are immigrants so you would just see a bunch of Canadian/Australian flags lol
>>99347216Which is hilarious.that Suisei anti thread was staged and it is targeted to remove the curry smell of the shitter.
>>99312001what's she supposed to do, leave her successful career?
>>99312001>works the hardest in her branch >receives all the sponsorships>makes /vt/ seethe because it reminds them their oshi are nothing but lazy whores who wanted a free meal ticket and got it in the form of "donations"Geez is there anybody here that has or had a fucking job in their lives? All these negative posts tells me how unemployed a lot of you are.
>>99312001She does what she was hired to do.Mori - singer who singsIna - painter who doesn't paint for holomemsFauna - ASMR godess who doesn't do ASMRKiara - professional leecher / talk host who is hated by everyoneGura - THE EN mascot - doesn't need to do anythingAme - can use Vegas but doesn't produce videosSomewhere an img with Subaru talking about the focus of the EN branch exists but i can't bother to look it up
>>99349676What if Kiara was hired to be hated by everyone? In wrestling we call that a heel.
she was the first one hired in EN and was probably set up to be the star but gura lapping her in every metric at debut threw a wrench in that plan. lol if only you knew what kind of person was "managing" her back then everything would really make sense.
Remember when Mori performed Full Color because Gura hasn't done shit with it since Connect the World lol
>>99351037That only would work if the other members are in it. Why did her talkshow stop then? I could come up with a year worth of material for a monthly 2 hour talkshow in a heartbeat if the other holomems agree to it. She is running out of Guests because everyone is avoiding her. You can reuse Guests you know? after 2 years surley there is something to talk about and inform the public.
>>99312001Superior vtubers get more opportunities, it's not rocket science.
>>99351395>the loli shark isn't the expected star.
>>99354811the loli shark that mogged her so hard then dropped her after the first offcollab because she saw how much of fake bitch mori was
