why did bau bau fall off?
>>99326158you can only take so much holobaby content before it gets boring, even when jerking off
>>99326158They're genuinely bad streamers. They're cute, sure, but they're not entertaining.
kys numberfag
>>99326158Biboolive won
>>99326158One too many cancelled streams
>>99326158Biboo is the face of HololiveFwmc sold out their fans for ojisan microcock
>>99326158Because they've shown to hate their fans. Meanwhile Biboo loves us Pebbles without fail
>>99326158
>>99326158Biboo actually gives a fuck about her fans. She's doing a birthday totsu and has a birthday 3D live scheduled. Can't ever imagine Fwmc pulling off something like this now.
>>99326158too much autism, killed the mocojohn jokes, numberfags and not actually entertaining
>>99326652Using a VPN is pretty easy these days, Cratcuck
>>99326669Can confirm is this. I like Fuwawa, but Mococo's autism clashes with my autism too much...
>>99326158Boring and mogged by biboo
>>99326158I liked them at first, but their whole "numberfagging to 1mil" arc killed it for me. They threw stream quality out the window in order to chase after new subs. Ugly vertical streams with live subcount banners made it feel like they didn't care about entertaining their fans, but about pumping up that number.
Biboo is botted and has been the last few months.
>>99326158Everybody varies from one stream to another. Also, frequent streams feed the algorithm. Streams tend to gather more viewers the longer they go on, and Biboo does really long streams frequently.
>>99326158Honestly that's not that bad. Biboo is known for having botted streams, so she's not a good channel to compare to. Also FWMC's main audience is Japanese and this is not a good timeslot for them.
>>99327200How do you tell whether someone is botted, and what causes it?
>>99327025>made it feelNo anon, that was how it was, not how it felt. They only care about noombers.
>>99327200>>99327324
>>99326501>Just stream all the fucking time>people come watch you all the timewhat the hell she cracked the code
>>99327200
>>99326709Who would use a VPN for that, noombershitter?
>>99326158They only read akasupas and I'm still salty for it
>>99327324other then ebing told by the perosn botted that they are botting theres no real obvios way to tell other then like if someone goes from a 1 view to a 3 view and has no one chatting then its a bit sus, particularly with you tube, on twitch i've been raided by a large streamer and just left as a 3 view with no chatting because mi pretty sure they were all just sleeping or maybe they were bots idk everyone else dispersed pretty quick though still a good indicator of something sus. everyone claiming to know is generally just shitzoing 90% of the time though.
>>99326158Imagine trying to go against Koseki Bijou, all while Phase Connect is having their elaborated pre-Invader Debut Event
>>99326158the constant bau bau'ing/mumblespeak + rabid ruffians turned me off from them. I watch their karaoke's though
>>99328035ok but no that's kinda based. Granted, I wish my oshi didn't read any supas at all.
>>99327200Every single time this is mentioned it's the same ass blasted jealous chumcuck every time
>>99327625That's how Fauna became so popular. At one point she was streaming 6 days a week for months while everyone else in hololive barely touched their computers
>>99327324>How can you tellShe'll random jump from having a 10-12k peak CCV to some utterly absurd 85k
>>99326158Japan
>>99327200Ruffian cope
>>99326158They always were shit. 5k isn't that bad for them.
>>99326158their botter decided to bot nimi and biboo instead
>>99326421the irony of this post
>>99326158The answer will forever be the moving to Japan arc.That shit killed all the momentum.
not that entertaining
>>99327324Different kinds of bots have different viewership patterns, but in this case, here you gohttps://www.reddit.com/r/HoloStatistics/comments/1jgwihw/new_advanced_botting_since_march_5th_2025_from/Tl;dr: the new kind of bots basically gives streams continuously more viewers over many hours. For normal streams (not counting special events), keep gaining more and more viewers over 5-7+ hours very late into the night at roughly the same rate is rather unnatural.
>>99328968but why only bot the ones that her fans want most and the most hyped game in a long while not any of the others?
>>99329281To date, I still wonder why they rushed that instead of taking time to make sure everything went smoother like Biboo did.
>>99329578Because the goal wasn't to make Biboo look better. It was to muddle the water so that botters could claim "Hololive and everyone else bot, too, not just Niji".It wasn't a coincidence that Biboo started getting botted with this new kind of bots literally the day after /vt/, /#/ and even reddit mocked NijiEN / Wilson for botting
>>99326198>>99326331These + nobody can actually understand what they're saying most of the time>>99329281Completely irrelevant
>>99329523I think you and anyone that cares should fucking kill themselves.
>>99329783Disappointing samefag because no one gave a shit about your posts
>>99329864Uh oh botter melty
>>99327625cute and funny
>>99329523that thread is so fucking retarded, who with a right mind literally gives a shit about all this. Just crack open a beer, watch your chuuba and shut the fuck up and stop making graphs like an autist
>>99329578>but why only bot the ones that her fans want most and the most hyped game in a long whileCause the Botter doesn't actually care about Biboo or making her look legit/choosing logical streams to botTheir goal is to poison the well, so that when people make legitimate inquires into Niji/Twitch streamers being botted and they can easily deflect and go "B-but Hololive bots too!!"Biboo is just a bystander in this conflict
>>99326158Clipfags should get lynched and all, but i feel like clips are, completely unironically, the only way to consume Fuwamoco if you don't have the brain of a toddler.They are really cute. I can't fucking stand them for longer than a minute or so at a time, though.>inb4 "y-you're the clipfag!"I watch streams; just not theirs.
>>99329743there's also the rrat that pebbles are buying bots and falseflagging as falseflagging nijis doing it
>>99330647Honestly i don't think this is true in the ennacuck/biboo case, but i do get the impression that falseflagging as a falseflagger is actually extremely common, people /here/ just love forming their opinions and biases based on the wakandan ragebaiting forum.
>>99330647>"pebbles are a botting their oshi who already naturally has the highest CCV in EN"This is such a retarded theory that I can only assume you're the botter trying cover your own ass lol
>>99327324>How do you tell whether someone is bottedPretty easily, especially Bijou and NijiEN.
>>99330647Doesn't make sense judging by the order of the events
I like how the guy bringing up biboo being botted never responds to the posts calling him out for being a chumkek
>>99330945We don't know what her CCV actually is since she's not had an unbotted stream in at least two months. That's not entirely true. She had one.
>>99331008TO THE MOON
>>99330647I would actually believe that over the idea of some boogeyman botting streams maliciously, but the one stream where she got botted up to 85k in the middle of the night was so obvious that it had to be malicious. Though, at this point, anyone could bot Biboo and freely and everyone would assume its the same guy.
>>99331284>2 monthsJust last monthhttps://www.vstats.jp/video/S0iYZszbVBAor https://www.vstats.jp/video/cDld3hX0ywA (unbotted until the end)
>>99331766Ennacuck was melting down in that stream because Biboo said she already reported the botting to Cover, who in turn reported it to YT and thus, her channel wouldn't be in any risk
>>99326158They're in EN, but mostly stream in Japanese.JP fans avoid them because EN vtubing is cancer, and the EN fanbase doesn't watch them because most of them are EOP.
>>99330647I'm pretty sure there is some truth to this. Just look at today's streams, there's only one NijiEN stream above 2k, and it's because the guy seems to be the master of Zs. But Biboo is still getting botted. Not to crazy high amounts like we've seen before, but still botted. Makes me suspect they bot her so she remains on top of the "leaderboard", and when they see NijiEN getting botted to high amounts (the "KING ENGINE"), pebbles bot Biboo so she doesn't "lose".
>>99332834>They're in EN, but mostly stream in JapaneseThat's not true anonStop lying because they didn't bau bau for your shitter
>>99326158I think the dogs are very easy to like but kind of difficult to love.
>>99331008What they said my Kroniicoins would be like>>99331284What actually happened
>>99326158Anon their target audience has scheduled naptime given to them by their parents, it isn't their fault.
>>99327324If I don't like a vtuber but her numbers are high, it means botted. If I don't like something, it means it's impossible for it to be popular
>>99327607>Kiara couldn't break 5k even with bots.Grim.
>>99334257Highly accurate post.
>>99326158Things just haven't felt the same since the move to Japan. They went from streaming every single day, sometimes multiple times a day, to the usual "head hurt" "tummy hurt" "we're sick" bullshit. Somehow Biboo has managed to avoid the JP curse, I just wonder why nobody else seems to be able to.
Hololive needs lots of zombies for their inferior product.
>>99330102>Their goal is to poison the well, so that when people make legitimate inquires into Niji/Twitch streamers being botted>Youtube getting botted by schizos everyday>AIIIIEEE IT MUST BE THE EVIL TWITCH PEOPLE TRYING TO HIDE THEIR BOTSAnd holo fans said they aren't tribal. This is the true cope and deflection rumao.
>>99330042>>99329864>Just don't think about itSuspicious.
>>99335528Explain to me why should anyone care. No buzzwords.
>>99335902Because botting is cheating and cheating is wrong?
>>99331008That one looks like it started leveling out around 9k already, and then the bots hit it with the endless incline. Maybe 10k peak at some point.
>>99335975Vtubers aren't supposed to be a race. You have actual races for that
>>99332161kek really? GET FUCKED FAUNASCHIZO JR
>>99326158They didn’t fall off Biboo is just the top of Advent
Ennacuck and chumschizo are trying really hard to spread the narrative that Biboo bots herself but in reality its all from one angry thirdworlder because a numbers thread on 4chan made him upset
>>99341630yea, thirdworlders are known for their disposable income
>>99329620Because that was their life-long goal even in their past lives
Do you mudhut dwelling SEAniggers ever get tired of spamming this thread for over a year?
>>99326158More like baobab.
Mediocre vtubers get mediocre viewershipWater is wet
>>99335975Agreed, so let's get nijisanji and vspo banned from streaming for being the serial bottting companies.
>>99326158Blue Prince is currently a buff game.
>>99327324>How do you tell whether someone is bottedWhen the ccv randomly spikes without raids or by looking at graphs. You can see here >>99331008 she started to taper off at her natural high of 8k-ish ccv. Afterward, she started getting botted, and it's just a straight stable line until that spike, which I assume is a raid. A natural graph looks like my picrel.>and what causes it?People buying bots.
>>99345800Ah, yes, zatsu stream with 9k viewers is perfectly natural for her. Are you serious.
>>99345800you know for all the talk about graphs you guys really do like to forget that just because someone didn't get raided doesn't mean a bunch of people for someone else's stream wont just move over to them anyway if they don't like where they got sent if they got sent anywhere
>>99346157Funnels like that usually only last a few minutes, but when you see it continue its upwards trend after 5min+, something else is going on.
>>99346286Just like this >>99345800 "natural" one with an upwards trend for 2 hours straight?
>>99346157>doesn't mean a bunch of people for someone else's stream wont just move overThen it would spike in a similar way to a raid and slowly fall off. It never follows a straight stable incline.>>99346077That pic wasn't for the numbers, but for what a natural graph looks like. That was also her first stream after a while, iirc. So more people showed up.
>>99346316Nah the graph in >>99345800 looks legit, especially when you check the schedule and see there was virtually nothing else going on that evening, so almost the entire HoloEN box only had 1 stream option. If someone else was doing a normal game stream, this free chat's numbers would be halved.
>>99346372>>99346453But it is constantly growing almost all the way. That's you criterion, isn't it?This is how a natural graph looks like (a random Towa one). >>99345800 is likely also botted, just not that hard.
>>99326158They stopped streaming consistently and when they do stream it's like an hour of content and 3 hours of superchat reading. They badly need to focus up again.
>>99341630Who the fuck Is chumschizo??
>>99346555>But it is constantly growing almost all the way.>>99345800 isn't botted, it's only growing in the first couple of hours, just like that Towa graph you posted. Near peak after the first hour, absolute peak near the second hour, then a fall off. Only difference is GG ended stream, while Towa continued streaming for hours later.Meanwhile, picrel is what we've been seeing happening to Biboo and Nijis lately (and even some random indies), probably to distract or chalk it up to "da algorithm". Constantly growing 3, 4, 5 hours into the stream. Even for a watchalong, something people almost never join late to.
>shitposting with Kaela
>youtube numbers
>>99346801>only growing in the first couple of hoursYeah, only 2 of 2:45. Towa's stops growing less than an hour in.Are you for real. Maybe learn to read the graphs first. >>99331284 is another example of a real natural for you, also stops much faster.
>>99326158They were significantly better as Makoto and Akira. I was hoping they'd slowly go back to having streams be chilled out but it's somehow gotten worse.A rabid fanbase filled with adult babies and stalking schizos doesn't help eitherTLDR: I just want the Yakuza streams back, man...
>>99346930>A rabid fanbase filled with adult babies and stalking schizos doesn't help eitherThat's what they were aiming for. Chased the "fake fans" away, remember?
>>99326158FWMC are more like idols than typical streamers. They're especially popular in Japan, with about three times SC and merch sales compared to their genmates.>>99331284While it's true that she's been getting botted recently, this particular stream isn't a good example of her usual CCV. It's a guerrilla stream that overlapped with the post-Mumei announcement and ended early to redirect to Mumei's cover.Actually, IRyS was also botted during yesterday's stream since Biboo wasn’t available.
>>99346900>Towa's stops growing less than an hour inI'm guessing Towa's stream started at 17:00, so peaking at 19:00 makes sense.>>99331284 looks normal too. That 3k jump near the beginning was a raid from GG
>>99346900>another example of a real natural for you,You're joking, right? Lol.
>>99346991>this particular stream isn't a good example of her usual CCV. It's a guerrilla stream that overlapped with the post-Mumei announcement and ended early to redirect to Mumei's cover.Wrong day. Mumei's announcement was the day prior
>>99347038(me) nvm, I was looking at a different one, this was a raid.
>>99326158Maybe people can't stand to watch for 5 minutes without listening to that retard noises
>>99347015It started 17:30 and peaked ~18:20. Less then an hour, that does indeed make sense.>99331284 # looks normal tooThat's what I'm saying, no totally natural 2 hour growth. I don't get it, are you a grem in denial (why then, not like it's their fault) or just bad with graphs?
>>99346972Well now they're left with streamers who are barely around and Ruffians who are reenacting Lord Of The Flies
>>99326709Desperate pebbleshat
>>99347053I meant the Q&A stream not the short announcement
I dropped them after the NY live and I'd bet money that none of the remaining ruffians could name me even a handful of kino streams I have missed since then. Probably like 2 members streams at most, too.They completely fumbled the ball. Next to no streams, constant burnout and sickness, rampant shilling and numberfagging. Even their "innovative" streams like for Valentines and Christmas were innovative exactly once and now just get regurgitated. From what I've heard, they iced FWMC morning for half a year just to change absolutely fucking nothing about it in the end.Their time management is abhorrent. They claim to sleep like 3 hours a day (I don't believe it) because they're so busy but have next to nothing to show for it. I admit their 3D lives are good, but it's not nearly enough to keep me engaged as a fan. A shame really, because I really loved their personalities, but their content is just utter dogshit.
I still show up for streams that look like fun. I was there for the first 30ish minutes, and then it just became an SC reading stream so I left. A lot of tgeir streams lately have been not so great and their infrequency means youtube doesn't show them to me when I go to the site.
>>99346930I just want more VN content. I know perms are a bitch, but they have options right now, and could even throw in raising sims which they claim to love. Instead they barely stream anything.
>>99340840Even ignore the race part, if you truly want your oshi to grow and succeed on her own strengths, seeing someone bot her to high heavens to use her as shitposting material will be irritating.
>>99347810That is because you still want her to "succeed" in a race for some irrelevant number.
>>99347668They haven't even finished White Album or Sakura Wars so as much as I'd like that too, I have no interest because they'll drop it but we'll get plenty of horrorslop and collabs instead.
>>99331008>Biboo got a 3am ballot dropSTOP THE STEAL
>>99347810>ignore*(if you) ignoreBrb committing seppuku>>99347865If you consider me wanting people all over the world to know and admire her, then sure I guess? I think she's great, that she deserves money and fame and recognition for all the fun times she has given me and will give me (and other fans ofc) over the years. Comparing her to others is indeed a way to measure her success, but it's not the be-all-end-all. If I see she has 20k viewers (natural) I can think of it as her being able to fill a whole stadium with just her fans wanting to watch her goof around, and that's nice. Maybe there are other vtubers that can fill bigger stadiums, maybe they fill large event venues, and I will compare her to them, not with envy, but admiration, and hope that my oshi can do that in the future too. And if she becomes more famous than them in the future, that's great, it means a lot more people like her now, but I won't be shitting on or belittling her coworkers.I should mention that my oshi is a large HoloJP who I started watching fairly early on and that has now largely made it so I can't really complain, but I do like other HoloJPs and ENs and I want them to grow famous as well. On their own, without botting.
>>99347955They did finish WA you retard. But I still stand by my point that the thing I was the most excited by, nostalgia anime talk, VN, retro, etc, are all things they for the longest time put on the backburner. Their first 6 months were amazing, I had a blast and watched basically every stream all the way through, SC included. They still have the occasional long stream of VN or retro like Fate or WA, but I'd much rather prefer a consistant 2-3 hours every week or two to 6-10 hour streams once every 3 months. When their content stopped being something I wanted and the feeling of obligation wore off, I just stopped showing up for stuff like SC streams or afterparties. Funny that the trends for those streams generally followed that too.
One of them needs to be superkicked and put through a barber shop window so the other can explode in popularity.
>>99326158>played the numbers game too much and became too obvious >didn't use the bots as much as rock girl and fell out of favor as a result
>>99346316>reaches 8k at 1h mark>barely 1k increase after another hour>starts dropping slightly after thatLooks absolutely normal.
>>99327324
>>99346991It overlapped Nimi's 13-14k Elden Ring stream too, she still shares the holobox.
>>99348174But they haven't finished Sakura Wars, so my point still stands so fuck off.
>>99348307Glad you're here to just be mad at them for no reason. Last week their channel sucked, the week before it was alright.
>>99348166Botting doesn't affect their growth in any way. Your problem is still putting meaning into a pointless metric that can be easily manipulated (as you can see).
>>99347131literal teletubbies
>>99327607i can't understand shit
>>99326158Their content have nothing attractive compare biboo
I drive.
Kayfabe autism is a big turn off.
god damnit guys you have an entire general dedicated for this shit
>>99326158their kayfabe theatrics got boring so fastI'll surely get bored with biboo too but definitely not right now
>>99326158Girls like Biboo and Ina are much more attractive and desirable as longer term partners.
>>99326421this
>>99348303retard
>>99358551What about them?
>>99326158When will numbermonkeys learn that CCV =/= popularity, in fact for EN vtubing i would argue that it's inversely related.The vtubers with the least subs usually have a higher average CCV because they have a niche appeal
oof
>page 11Whoa! this thread almost died
>>99364236kek, how fast the ruffian narrative changed
>>99326158It was like that since the end of 2023
>>99326158They started catering too much to the Japanese audience despite being EN, their move to Japan was a disaster, and they became very inconsistent with their schedule, canceling streams left and right, or at least that's how it was when I stopped watching them.On top of that, their RM project, which I used to donate money to, wasn't going anywhere and probably never will.Overall, I was disappointed and went back to my previous oshi.
They lied and overpromised the moon and now that time has passed and nothing has been delivered people are waking up and giving up on them, deservedly so. Maybe they can redeem themselves but that's a lot harder once trust has been lost. Even their schedules are unreliable with all of the cancellations and no one wants to have them in projects for risk of them being overbooked and having to cancel or wait until the last minute to submit.
>>99326158Because Dizzy went on forever hiatus today. Nice bait thread faggot kek
>>99326501Biboo bots according to /vt/ so she doesn't count.
>>99326158The fact they still say dogctor and barkers is why. Just go back to being like the travel agents and they’ll rise back up
>>99373387>barkersWhat's this supposed to be? Bakers?
>>99373437their throats
>>99326421/Thread
>>99326158More than your streamer
>>99326158Stopped paying for the good bots
>>99326421based>>99329254retard
>>99326158Japan arc
>>99333075What are you talking about?
>>99332990Botter you've been pushing this theory for months now, just stop wasting your time and money on biboo simply so you can annoy the /#/ monkey's
people are stupid and attracted to big numbers, fans do a lot of botting in hopes that the big number will draw in actual people who are just following whoever has the biggest numbers. this is pretty common both in corpo vtubing and in idol fandoms in general.
>>99326421fpbp
>>99341630its a company policy to bot
