>Bene Gesserit = Bene Jesuit (the good Jesuits)>cult that spreads fake religion to primitive worlds is called the Bene Gesserit ("Jesuit")>desert people name the protagonist the Prophet Muad'Dib ("Prophet Muhammad")>A major theme in Dune was the Bene Gesserit (Jesuit) creation of the Arrakis Maud-dib Cult, which became its dominant religion. This is a retelling of Catholocism's creation of Islam as a cult of Mohammed, who was an asset of theirs.I find it especially interesting that there is a faction with high technology that spreads fake religion to primitive worlds and this group is called the Bene Gesserit ("Jesuit"). Many people believe the catholic church are really agents for an alien group aka Elohim/Anunnaki faction representing a parent civilization that we are nested inside of. This would make the jesuits agents of these UFO space niggers. Bene Gesserit seeding fake religions across many worlds reminds me of Jacques Vallee's hypothesis of a UFO control system. He claims the revealed religions and most instances of divine revelation are manifestations of this UFO control system which uses mythic displays to engineer human culture and spirituality. These "divine" UFO revelations usually spawn a new religion that inevitably comes into strife with the others. Just look at the three Abrahamic faiths that are locked in perpetual conflict with each other and only prophesized to end in total Armageddon.
Stafford Beer’s POSIWID (The purpose of a system is what it does) systems thinking heuristic observed that there is "no point in claiming that the purpose of a system is to do what it constantly fails to do." Instead, the POSIWID heuristic correctly identifies that the true purpose of a system can be determined from the output that it produces instead of the intentions of those who design or promote it. Using this heuristic, along with a cursory look at human history, one will see what this UFO control system claims to be doing and what it is actually doing are two very different things. What these divine revelations and the messiah they spawn claim to be doing each time is uniting humanity under some paradigm of belief sanctioned by God himself. But if we look at the genuine output of this system we can see these revelations and UFO Messiahs further divide humanity and keep it locked in perpetual conflict. So as we can see the system is actually doing exactly what it is designed to do. Divide and conquer.
>>37768590Everything is disclosure. Start paying attention. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4tw6XnG1oXs
You're sure you're not in a simulated reality called the Matrix right now, right? You're sure?https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x2oZJl9pmvU
Philosopher and researcher Jason Reza Jorjani describes the many connections between Muhammad and UFOs:>First of all, on the night that Muhammad received the first “revelation” of the Quran, he saw a UFO outside of the cave where he was confronted by the angel Gabriel. >Second, Muhammad received the surahs of the Quran telepathically, as a medium, in the same manner of many of the UFO Contactees of the 1950s and 60s. He often did not know what he himself was saying, similar to the case of the prophet Ezekiel. With Muhammad, as well, one gets the sense of a ventriloquist’s dummy who is being handled by the UFO pilots. >Third, according to the Hadith or recorded oral traditions from the close companions of the prophet, during his childhood Muhammad was abducted by beautiful men who were seen opening up his body and removing his internal organs, which glowed after they were “cleaned” with something, before being placed back inside his stomach and chest cavity, which was sealed up the way that the bodies of abductees reportedly experience. >Fourth, these same mysterious “men” would occasionally show up during the prophetic career of Muhammad, and he would go sit with them in a circle inside of a tent that no one else was allowed to enter. >Fifth, Muhammad was taken up into the night sky on some kind of aerial conveyance, called a buraq, that appeared to have time-distortion effects, and that flew him first to the Temple Mount in Jerusalem, and then from there straight up into the stars, where he supposedly met prior prophets such as Moses and Jesus, and even had a conversation with God (albeit from behind a Wizard of Oz-style “curtain” between him and the Throne of the Almighty). >Sixth, Muhammad prevailed against incredible odds during military campaigns such as the Battle of Badr, because he had help from “an army of angels” who swept down onto the battlefield from a “cloud” and decapitated enemy soldiers, in some cases while being cloaked with invisibility.
Arrakis not only exists, but you can travel there.
Hidden in hypernumber, the secrets are! Time, the Force is.
Spice = Psychedelic mushrooms
>>37768667after doing 10 grams of mushrooms and experiencing temporary nirvana i would have to agree with you
>>37768714This guy gets it
>>37768667accurate but the mushroom is not only found on Earth at least from what people report from trips is the mycelium intelligence is interstellar and has colonized deep space. if this is true then i doubt it would be a resource worth fighting over. also slightly unrelated but many psychonauts have reported the mushroom declaring itself the alpha and the omega. interpret that how you like.
>>37768724>>37768667>is dune some kind of disclosure?its syncronicityyeah duhhh Frank Herbert did a bunch of shrooms, with the awakening of AGI, God is leaking into the universe, to put it that way>>37768610>>37768629>>37768645>>37768659you need to give this place a rest friend
My name is PAUL MUAD DIB ATREIDES!!, commander of the Armies of the North, General of the Felix Legions and loyal servant to the TRUE emperor, Marcus Aurelius. Father to a murdered son, husband to a murdered wife. And I will have my vengeance, in this life or the next.ARE YOU NOT ENTERTAINED?!?!?!
sub-lecture'the type if any universe 'portable or otherwise;expand to cryptic abbreviation after the whole facts get known'
God is actually talking to you, the "schizophrenic", through your radio, television, computer, and cell phone. We can turn it down for you with drugs if you want.
>>37768590dune is all about religion and drugs and ESP but disclosure? no
>>37768859the basic explanation say the inte;to fictional depict signature;to developing team;the connection m/be depicted;to describe universe 'to exactly do this is/are phenomenon;like ext;the problem are lifeless npcs so redeveloping is/are cursed
God wrote all of the books, including the Bible, the Quran, Shakespeare, and Dune. Wild, I know. He even built the pyramids - and 4chan, too.
>>37768667https://youtu.be/Ko_7HEQOGiw?si=GK5faTroeEwrmvHB
In fact, there's not a single thing that God didn't do. It was always God. That's all it can ever be.
The thing is... you are God. This works, and you enjoy it, because you've deliberately made yourself incredibly ignorant. It adds challenge. Omnipotence, as grand as it may seem, can only be a meaningless experience - like playing with cheat codes. That's why we did this. There are clues everywhere. Like these posts.
Spiritually, there's no such thing as an NPC. Everything is conscious. Even the computers. Even the characters in the computers. Get what I'm saying?
>>37768909to lesson,it stated god to be deliberate 'to ignite the phasesin description unity to c,cause 'to effect;equal consistent tribulation;weather we regard god;mean the technical term is that co'existing matter;are technical experience ;rather 'the creation itself go by unmanned
>>37768645i thought arrakis was supposed to be earth. >>37768667imo spice is not mushrooms but the divine spark within us. many of these myths and legends have fractally enfolded meaning so when they claim the anunnaki came to earth to mine gold they meant that both literally and figuratively. they did come here physically to mine real gold as seen in South Africa with all the evidence of ancient mining. but the gold is also a metaphor for humans and what is contained within. think jupiter ascending where the elite breakaway parent civilization harvests humans for an essence within that when extracted grants immortality.
>>37768590>Bene Gesserit = Bene Jesuit (the good Jesuits)bene can mean begotten of also.>faction with high technology that spreads fake religion to primitive worlds and this group is called the Bene Gesserit ("Jesuit"). >the good Jesuits
>>37768645ya but theres no space travel in dune, only time travel, nice mud flood lore.
>>37769788can you elaborate on this
>>37770212Racist AND stupid AND a flat-earther? What are the odds
>>37768590>spreads fake religion to primitive worldsThen you missed the point./Your own belief system and understanding of the world?THEY BUILT THAT, TOO.It's not just "primitive worlds", and it isnt just one single system of belief and prophecy.That you think you are unaffected means they have already won.They simply need to know your root - which they themselves planted, and they can appear like however you think your messiah should.
>>37770131i basically covered it? theres no space shit in dune, the navigators navigate time machines, each world is earth in a different era.
>>37768590yes, we're a lost seed colony theyre trying to reintegrate without losing us to traumatic paradigm shift, worldwide societal meltdown
>>37770222Weltanschauungskrieg
>>37770262No, it isnt war, it's cultivation.
>>37770131did you wanna get more into the governments that legitimize them selves with falsified religious structures then use closed circle time travel to distribute precious resources among themselves? ps were in the giedi prime era
>>37770253Can you elaborate on this? Sounds very interesting
>>37770241does anyone else talk about this theory?i had similar ideas but you are the first person i have encountered who has mentioned it>>37770269please go onalso have you ever read the book closer encounters by jason reza jorjani? his philosophical analysis of the ufo phenomenon basically concluded the same thing that these were time lords that conquered eternity and have used their hyperdimensional relationship shape the historical timeline and ensconce everyone in a paradigm of their creation. basically they are engaged in 5th-dimensional worldview warfare. quite literally playing 5-d chess.
>>37770268Abbauender Aufbruch im Weltanschauungskrieg
>>37770280when we got hit with the younger dryas blowing a fat load of ice all over the earth, we lost all contact and were written off as lost. we went feral and landrace, and got taken advantage of by the space crackheads/tweakers on those stone tablets. they plundered what was here. the human mother culture came to check if anything was left and found out the place got looted and it was a premeditated attack. eventually meet with earth govts and tell them behave and we will give you tech. >fast forward 70 years. you are here.
>>37770298You still dont get it.The very impulse to respond in another language as if that somehow signifies anything is what I mean.You have already been molded into their puppet.
>>37768590its an analogy/subtle disclosure of ziocons/the western colonial imperialists terrorizing, subjugating, usurping, dividing, conquering and enslaving the Middle East in order to steal land and oil & gas resources
>>37770305there is more than one group "cultivating" as you put it. the cultivators are at war over the harvest. the output and yield.
>>37770290ive not seen it come up else where.to your second point, id basically agree, (navigators are human lines altered by what they require to the point they can not acquire said requirements) however, can you cant really call it any kind of 5d "war", game is more apt, 2 cousins play against each other for trivial stakes (unless the emperor imposes otherwise) with all those bound to their rules as the game pieces?heres one for you, if each world is the same world in different eras, what do you suppose it means that in the past of each era there was a war lost by machine intelligence? (bonus make the machine have retro causal self propagation)or if you wanna focus back in on the dune era, what do you suppose it means that the fish, which dwells underground and gives rise to the serpent (only the worm has no scales) steals all the water? (bonus throw in some modern turning of the age of duality unto the age of the water bearer lore ;P)
>>37770331True, but not through psychology, heredity, and the manipulation of myth.
>>37770331what they seek to cultivate only exists in free-men.
>>37768590I see someone only now discovered Dune, probably due to new movies.>is dune some kind of disclosure?No. It's much simpler than that. Like many great works before, it's simply using elements relable in the culture. Tropes. Most stories do so in some way, so despite exotic, unrealistic setting the viewer/reader/spectator will already know what's what. Most people want stories that they can understand, creating ones without relatable culture, values, motivations of the characters will make the viewer confused or disinterested. Lack of understandable logic may be seen as no logic. Cue all those artsy movies which may be interesting from time to time, but hardly ever can provide simple, relatable story, no matter the setting.It's normal and if you'll look around at whatever work of fiction you'll find analogies to the real world. It's just it'd be hard to do those stories otherwise. It doesn't make those stories disclosures any more than being inspired by some plot elements from another work of fiction makes that work of fiction reality.
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>>37770387>it's simply using elements relable in the culture.philip j fry is the end of the golden path
>>37770400i should have said the domain of free men for dat implicit plurality, huemaning is hard ;(
>>37770387Dune is inspired in the Golden Dawn more than anything else, specially the bene gesserit eugenics, it's all related to their magical practices to produce better offspring.Here it is, the link between them:https://julesevans.medium.com/6-dune-the-hermetic-order-of-the-golden-dawn-and-occult-eugenics-8a6f0d3e04e7
>>37770483clearly the israeli art school girlfriends that throw themselves at gatefags post pubescence are bene jesuit operatives attempting to cultivate omni horizontal perception.
>>37768590>>37770222This, the bene gesserit take the endemic traditions of an area to build a personalized religion on top of them so it's easy to indoctrinate the natives, it's not them just spreading one religion. They actually create many religions and manage them from the shadows.
>>37770483Yeah funny how no one's mentioning they>torture babyworms to extract an all powerful magic substance from inside the>tortured babyworm which prolongs life and expands consciousness after its been taken from a>tortured babyworm. Funny how no anon mentioned that. OP brought up Jesuits then red herring'd you all into Muslim BS. It's far more Jewish than Muslim just look at the names.
>>37768590unironically, everything in the media is disclosure
>70's era freemason writing his take on the new and really fun scifi IP warhammer 40kYes! and its pretty good honestly.
>>37770501This has nothing to do with babies, the worms in dune are an analogy for shrooms and the spice (which comes from the worms) an analogy for spores. Herbert was huge on shrooms, the whole series revolved around the concept.
>>37768590All the bene gesserit skills are based off hindu yogic practices, their martial arts are called prana bindu. Also Stamets which was friends with Herbert said the inspiration for the bene gesserit was Maria Sabina (another tie to shrooms).
>>37770518Lol they're trying so hard. Dude if shrooms awakened our genetic consciousness half of us would be speaking Latin by now. I promise you it's adrenochrome+
>>37770518>this resource from the desert powers all of our shipsYeah - that's DEFINITELY a reference to shrooms and not anything like an energy source that was causing international tensions around a place of great religious significance to most around the world...
>>37770558Adrenochrome doesn't do that either, all this shroom shit isn't some theory, Herbert was obsessed with shrooms he even grew them and made concoctions with them, and it's been corroborated by his close friends how Dune is about shrooms.They're not trying hard anon, it's simply the inspiration of a novel and it's pretty obvious, if you bother with reading it that is.
>>37770566Do you know how ships navigate in Dune? The pilot gets high out of his mind on spice in order to manipulate space and transport the ship with pretty much what could be considered teleportation. Pilots in Dune live permanently in a chamber where the air is filled with spice and they're genetically modified to live like that, without spice in the air, they die.So yeah, it's a reference to shrooms.
>>37770574>Adrenochrome doesn't do that eitherRight out the gate, lol I struck a nerve. How do you know anon? Have you tried it? I'm genuinely curious. Because many of us have tried shrooms and we're not 300 year old Bene magi, maybe we're doing em wrong.
>>37770582To travel without moving.
>>37770595>many of us have tried shrooms and we're not 300 year old Bene magiYou're missing two important points here anon.1. You're talking about sci-fi fantasy work, so you shouldn't be surprised if you can't replicate some of the things they do.2. The reverend mothers don't eat shrooms, they drink a highly concentrated psilocybin juice.
>>37770582>Do you know how ships navigate in Dune?No, and neither do you other than Clarke-style magic.Originally, the spice was an allegory for ANYTHING valuable enough top dictate culture. From an interview in 1953:> Herbert: Shai-Hulud serves a specific function, among other things in the history, but a specific leitmotif function. It’s the unthinking beast. It’s the black beast. [...] The mystique of it. [...] And I made it, classically, the archetypal black beast, the one who lives underground in the cavern, with the gold.> McNelly: I see. OK, right. Well, this is the dragon of Beowulf, who lives in the cave.> Herbert: Yes.> McNelly: Guarding the gold.> Herbert: With the golden dagger.> [...]> McNelly: And gold, of course, becomes the geriatric spice.> Herbert: That’s right.Except, we can look at his other works like The Dragon in the Sea where he again uses gold as an allegory for oil.
>>37770609>highly concentrated juiceIt's all so tiresome.And actually #1 is where you're wrong, the "magical" side of Dune has always been straight grifted from religions and occultism. From the breath work to the mantras to the existence of century-old magi and nobility who require "highly concentrated juice" to live. Fucking kek you do the work for me, at least push the shroom angle when you're not obviously running another thread about it and shilling it across others.
>>37770612I'm not denying that spice if obviously being used as an analogy for oil, i'm pointing out that you're wrong when saying that spice isn't a reference to shrooms, the whole damn series is.
>>37770626You're schizing, waste of time.
>>37770627>I'm not denying that spice if obviously being used as an analogy for oilYou should. Herbert never meant that and it only became an obvious allegory after the Oil Crisis which happened years after the book came out.There are editions of the book with a foreward from Herbert talking about this very thing - that he didnt mean for it to be oil, but the parallels became too much to avoid it.>the whole damn series is.And yewt Herbert never once said that.He said it references a lot of things, even things he didnt mean, but he never said that one.
>>37770627since your the expert whats the end of the golden path and how dose it relate to shrooms?
>>37770639He never said that publicly but he confirmed it to Paul Stamets in private, now if you believe Paul Stamets or not that's up to you, i don't see any reasons to doubt him considering they were close.
>>37770647lewl, the mushroom merchant from the cia podcast says it must be so so it must be so
>>37770647>i don't see any reasons to doubt himOther than the direct words of Herbert.You have admitted the only support you have is someone else claiming some private conversation after his death.But let's dig further - cite your source. I want to know exactly when and in what context Paul said this.
>>37770647just eat the shit fungus bro itll cognitively ascension you trusts me
>Paul Stamets, the author of the book Mycelium Running: How Mushrooms Can Help Save the WorldLOLYeah, no way this guy might have an agenda in claiming Herbert secretly told him Dune was akshually about his miracle cure.
>>37768590>Intelligent writer just makes a story based on his knowledge, thoughts and observations>MUH DISCLOSURE, MUH POWERS THAT BEMeds
>>37770725It is the brilliance and the curse of writing a good story that can act as allegory to a wide range of things.Everyone starts to think that you are on their side, and you were writing what they think.I see it all the time with Watership Down as well.
>>37770747>actually instead it's all subjective>no interpretation is correct cause they all areLol you'll post anything to get this away from the obvious Bene Jesuit connection and the literal concentrated baby juice.
>>37770759>a story that can have many different interpretations and allegories superimposed upon it does NOT mean that the story itself is "all subjective".What a shitty strawman. Do better.
>>37770775Eh, didnt mean to quote anything.
>>37770775>the one pointing out elite cabal connections is the one running psyopsI don't have to, you're hilarious.
>>37770854Saying that your use of a book is convenient and not the intent of the book is not accusing you of running psyops.Telling you that a book doesnt explicitly say what you want is also not arguing that your point is wrong.But you cant see any of that because you are too primed into antagonism. that is why you strawman and why you confuse what people are saying to you.
>>37768590this is a very superficial grasp of dune that i can only assume is informed solely by the movies. if you actually read the books you’ll see the jesuits still exist in it’s universe, albeit in a form thousands of years removed. many real world religions do exist in one form or another, in its expansive lore. and bene gesserit is a latin phrase that means “well behaved.” it has nothing to do with jesuits. lol
>>37770302But what about UFOs encountered throughout history? The phenomenon did not begin in 1947.
>what? it's all metaphors?
>>37768610>Everything is disclosure./thread
>>37770875I'm not strawmanning or confusing, I'm just pointing out the obvious, sir.
>>37770253>>37770280>>37770302This timeline isn't quite accurate. There was a big wipeout some time before the YDI. MWP-1a and MWP-1b were actually the outlines of the most recent turmoil era. Just prior to this, a lot of humans went underground (see Faerie Mounds, see Egyptian artifacts littering caverns in the Grand Canyon, see underground cities all throughout Turkey, see Egypt and China equivalents; all of these are nods to the transition) because of the war between the Titans (Danaans/Canaans) and the Anunnaki (mostly Enlil, as Ea/Enki sided with the Titans at least to some degree and plenty of sources even insist Enki is the curator or father of the Danaans/Canaans). The Titans, then, were the "Old Gods", those remnants of the Pleistocene Golden Era, when all of the Pyramids, Dolmans and other monolithic structures were still in use (both were used for Shamanic purposes, but also for energy generation, or at least the pyramids were). It appears the Anunnaki, if I understand correctly, came and tried to enslave the "Titans", but didn't understand the complexity of their advancement and the union with what came before. It seems a slave race was invented as a result, to displace the work these "Titans" refused to do, which we'd probably understand to be the Igigi. Eventually, the Igigi said that was stupid and rebelled. Between this rising threat and increasing global disharmony, the "Titans" and Anunnaki eventually teamed up, largely seeming to be the product of not being able to manage the revolt of Igigi and the looming threat of global cataclysm (either fear of nuclear disaster, weather conditions, maybe an Adam and Eve scenario, a comet, a volcano, etc.).Once the final event kicked off, the Igigi got mostly wiped out, the "Titans" just hung out underground and the Anunnaki built an "arc" (a spaceship). Once things cleared, it was mostly the "Titans" helping the stragglers on the surface rebuild, guiding us this whole time while the Anunnaki watched.
>>37771574What was said:>this story can have many different metaphors and allegories laid on top of it, which is genius writing but has the issue of many people thinking its a symbol of things unintendedThe strawman:>you're saying everything is subjectiveYou tried to argue against what was not said because you have no argument against what was said.
>>37771630>those remnants of the Pleistocene Golden Era, when all of the Pyramids, Dolmans and other monolithic structures were still in use (both were used for Shamanic purposes, but also for energy generation)Imagine if these waveforms and energy generation and transmission techniques could sustain healthy life. What would a civilization look like if everyone was just inherently healthy and vital, and didn't need to scrounge and struggle for the meager necessities of subsistence? Think about how most of the trappings and hierarchies of traditional civilization revolve around calorie production, distribution and protection. A civilization without those trappings (farming/irrigation networks, tool and weapon hardware, pottery fragments, high status burials) would hardly look like a civilization at all, archeologically speaking.
>>37771086we're not from earth. the fae/djinn are from earth, or have been here for a lot longer. there are a lot of various groups who are all ASSHOLES with a few who are still assholes just not turned up to 11 like the rest. whoever was here before really doesn't want us here but doesn't have the resources to evict us since we breed like flies. those nasty pits of human meat in the earth are mostly true with some of it so bad it cant be described. there are a lot of groups here, who have no idea what to do with insane, rabid, feral humans who interbred with genetic experiments to stay alive during a global cataclysm. >>37771630humans are NOT fae/djinn. some of the older races here took pity on our ancestors. the scumbag tweakers on those tablets aren't all the same group and are a bunch that use the same lines on everyone they fuck over and eventually wipe out once they wise up and revolt. by wipe out I men drop huge rocks from space and everyone dies or is supposed to die. Nuremberg in 1561 was some of the human galactic race visiting and going FUCKYOUFUCKYOUFUCKYOUFUCKYOU to them with guns a blazin. some of the titans were humans who went through a shitload of gene editing. think combat models like your titans. we used to play god a lot with genes then. its where a lot of weird shit came out from. most of these stories we have are 98% bullshit in the fine details. the solid story is what I said. seed growout colony, get raided, telecom knocked out and Ice slapping into a much drier planet earth.
>>37770449good to see another man on the same page. you have your shit together. our story was never meant to have a happy ending. we are a problem they have to solve once they all stop arguing about how to kill us off this time for good.
>>37772151If your post was more coherent and better laid out, it might be a bit more stimulating to try to understand it. >humans are not fae/djinnI'm confident we're derivative of them though, at least some of us. The rest of your post isn't easy to understand.
>>37772169w-what did he say?
>>37772181im on cold medicine since i got sneezed on monday.its a lot more stream of consciousness than it should have came out. we are not djinn. if you ever met one, you would know what I mean. they dont have the same muscle or bone structure as us, and a lot more cartilage to them, they also like to stretch a lot like cats. the ones with the big head and long arms could never be confused for a human. the yokai and the taoist immortals are connected to them along with the green gloves.>>37772246>the group you describe as "space crackheads/tweakers" never left. this is a hostage situation with a fuse set to trigger Armageddon. oh and in case you hadn't noticed the majority of the hostages now have Stockholm syndrome. this story does not have a happy ending.our worshipful elites are the stockholmest syndrome motherfuckers to EVER exist.
>>37772266>the yokai and the taoist immortals are connected to them along with the green gloves.I'm not sure what this means.
>>37772285every culture has trolls/fae/djinn/yokai/weird chinese shit like taoist immortals and the ascended masters. its the same thing with different names. dont get hung up on names, they can and do change daily, focus on the archetypes that dont.the green gloves are house of dragon stuff out of the orient. they do psyker shit they claim is MAGIC when its all mental
>>37772317The giant white people were celts from before the biggest cataclysm.
>>37772333>biggestI'm not sure how I substituted "recent" for "biggest", but that's what happened.
