Introduction to Buddhism series by Aaron Proffitt, Ph. Dhttps://youtube.com/playlist?list=PLKBfwfAaDeaWBcJseIgQB16pFK4_OMgAs&si=xVDMARZ15FghNI_J
>>37782430Buddhism is a myth trying to sap you of power. They say suffering is caused by desire. But men does not feel suffering when he inflicts it. When he changes the world. When he shows his power and might over others. Buddhism wants an equal society of men who sit around sleeping. But the real way is for true men to create empires, the one true way is to create civilizations, to prove your worth in the anals of history. All else is confusion.
>>37782452Hitler isn't coming back
Buddhism is for egomaniacs to feel good about themselves and to be fair they should all become buddhist and neuter themselves.
>>37782430Ironically the NPC meme goes against his teachings
nOT /X/
>>37782430Very good series academic introduction overall. Thanks, OP. For practitioners not sure about a tradition this video series is good.Alan Peto-Buddhism for Beginnershttps://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PL5MO7RkS7MhB8lgo6eXotAmw_TrJ5qANtFor Theravada- Ajahn Sona's Basics in Brief but you can start here for any tradition frankly.https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLCXN1GlAupG2r5tEEi1G-I2esA73lvLftIntroduction to Chan Practicehttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rjrLwNLyWFU&list=PLM66H7BdAQCTHA_zfS3U8x-sWDGhD-kDg&index=1Introduction to Shin Buddhism with Rev Dr. David Matsumoto (Japanese Pure Land Buddhism)https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xX9vohcIkd4Pure Land Buddhism 101 (Chinese Pure Land Buddhism)https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PL-RSgVFbZXSwWXMSOkjPPlhM1FNWHSWV3Introduction to Tibetan Buddhism with Khenpo Sherab Sanghttps://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLaAW1H5vg2nEgVhUjJv7TFViMhv6xzYtzEvery tradition has a few practices you can do by yourself such as precepts but quite a few need you to get a teacher at a temple eventually. Exception being Pure Land stuff.
>>37782452You look confused.>>37782468This is an anonymous site.>>37782481We have aliens, ghosts and demons too.
>>37782622Wow thanks for the links, I'll start watching.
>>37782430There are many different traditions of Buddhism, each with their own teachings andpractices. They vary to a great extent, so much so that some say that there is not onething that all Buddhists can agree on. Do you agree with this statement?
>>37782430Once every month or so I stumble upon something interesting on /x/, which is why I keep coming back here.Thanks anon.
>>37782702I'm not OP, but buddhism seems to have more peaceful divisions than Christianity and Abrahamism crazy enough. From what it seems from the outside.
>>37782731same bro. fuck all the trash threads this is why im here.
>>37782702The dhamma is profound and difficult to penetrate.
>>37782755They do have their violent sects and tendencies. Look at tantric buddhism, which worships deities who practice violent acts, with siddhis committing ritual violence to gain magic powers. Also look at the situation in myanmar. Furthermore, look at slavery under Buddhist Tibet. They have great PR and rarely lift a finger to grasp a sword, largely because they're an ascetic religion integrated into larger states that take care of fighting. Even chinese buddhism is watered down, such that it cant conflict with state sanctioned violence.
>>37782430Buddhism is just another FAKE Satanic religion to harvest loosh and prevent a spiritual uprising.
>>37782764But if Buddha is dhamma, why does every different sect try to go about perceiving him in a way that he did not prescribe? Such as the lotus sutra, or zen buddhism (reading koans specifically). It seems obtuse and culturally influenced of course.
Here are some Introduction texts.Buddhadhamma by P.A Payutto (Introduction to Theravada)https://buddhadhamma.github.io/p-a-payutto.htmlIntroduction to Humanistic Buddhism (Chan Buddhism by Master Hsing Yunhttps://static.sariputta.com/pdf/tipitaka/1191/the-fundamentals-of-humanistic-buddhism-pdf.pdfMind Seal of the Buddhas by Patriarch Ou-i (Introduction to Pure Land Practice for Dual Cultivation Chan/Zen/Thienhttps://www.buddhanet.net/pdf_file/mindseal.pdfStarter Pack of Books [Tibetan Buddhism] by Lama Yeshehttps://www.lamayeshe.com/shop/starter-packGuide to Jodo Shin Shu Teachings and Practices by Kyojo S. Ikuta & Trudy Gahlinger (Japanese Pure Land Buddhism)http://calgary-buddhist.ab.ca/wp-content/uploads/JSGuide.pdf General Guide to the Pure Land School by Dharma Master Jingzong (Chinese Pure Land tradition)https://www.purelandbuddhism.org/publications/1/689
>>37782702In every lineage you'll find groups that don't see any contradiction with other lineages, just as you'll find groups that even disagree with their own lineage. Although each lineage has its own stereotype, the monks are very diverse and end up seeming to blend together in such a way that you'll find every school of thought in every lineage.
>>37782782How exactly does loosh come from a mind that does not have attachment to the material realm? If the entire world was buddhist and worked to enlightenment, there would be net less suffering than all of the stupid bullshit going on right now.
>>37782772Makes sense, can't blame a bunch of monkei for being monkeis
>>37782801Hmm I see. Would you say that their belief in the 4 noble truths is singular? Perhaps one of the most similar thigns between them all?
>>37782813The four noble truths, Dukkha, Anatta, Anicca, etc.Yes, indeed. All Buddhists talk about the same topics, even if it's just to deny them or take a fresh look at them.
>>37782430>frendly buddhist thread>starts off with an image of everyone who isnt buddist is an NPCyeah ok
>>37782865Kek, the meme actually relates to and is in accordance with the Sutra that you can see in the videos I posted. I didn't make the meme.
>>37782789In the playlist I posted, you can see that all traditions, including Theravada, believe that the Buddha used Upaya (skillful means) to teach the Dhamm/Dharma.
>>37782851There have been conferences where that has been reaffirmed. A common formulation is the Four Seals of the Dharma. It tends to include beliefs about dependent origination, the possibility of Nirvana and a few other beliefs too.>>37782789Buddhism does not really have the concept of a text like Protestant Christianity where there is a some original text directly all texts have origin from. There was a small amount of such an idea injected from the UK but that is a relatively recent occurrence. There is a belief that there are different teachings for different karmic affinities of different capacities is a major thing. It is a general feature of the idea of skillful means, one of the abilities a Buddha.https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Basic_points_unifying_Theravāda_and_Mahāyāna
>>37782802That’s an easy answer if you just think logically. Think fucking logically, apart from the religious BRAINWASHING. WE LIVE IN A FACTORY FARM. WE ARE GENETICALLY ENGINEERED WITH OVERCLOCKED BRAINS SO THAT WE EXPERIENCE MAXIMUM EMOTIONAL SUFFERING. Both Catholicism and Buddhism principally blame the human, rather than the environment. This is inverse to reality. Our environment is the most fundamental problem. The ‘solution’ buddhism offers is fucking impossible. You can’t escape the material when you live in a material body. We need to kill and cause suffering to survive. We either kills plants (WHICH DO FEEL PAIN) or we kill animals. Therefore, we are all going to suffer or cause suffering. There is no escaping this.Want the real solution? DESTROY EVIL. This is not what Buddhism or Catholicism teach. They say to ‘turn the other cheek’ like an obedient slave. Fuck that shit. We are here to kill and fight. So, the logical conclusion is to kill and fight the correct enemies: EVIL.
>>37782953Catholicism does not blame the human, it blames the lack of being aka sin. Evil is a metaphysical lack of reality in Catholicism .Technically this view of sin is shared by all traditional traditions in Christianity, both East like Eastern Orthodox and Oriental Orthodox and West like Catholicism. Western Christians tend to hold to original sin whereas Eastern hold to ancestral sin.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T5pSrlr1rJIBuddhism has the idea of suffering or dukkha. It is not a metaphysical feature of reality. Rather, it refers to displeasure, metaphysical impermance, subjective and objective feelings of pain including the physical and mental. Basically, it is rooted in dependent origination. The goal in Buddhism is to become unconditioned and not experience dukkha.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GYoPeVlewYI
>>37782702>some saywho?
>>37782430I like Buddhism and everything but Daoism is way better.
>>37783287Taoism is the way to go overall, it's the opening hole every schizo needs.
>>37783287Which type?
>>37782731>>37782758
>>37783287Why?
>>37783301I know of religious Daoism but have never seen one. They are supposed to be more common in the Chinese speaking world.https://plato.stanford.edu/entries/daoism-religion/Chan Buddhism uses philosophical terms from religious Daoism but it is not really a deep engagement with it.https://plato.stanford.edu/entries/daoism/#DaoismandBuddhism
The Four Noble Truths 1. Suffering is inseparable from existence.2. Craving is the root cause of suffering.3. Suffering can be ended by ending craving.4. There is a path to ending craving and suffering.∞ archive.org/details/WhatTheBuddhaTaught_201606∞ buddhanet.net/audio-lectures.htmTo gain merit and help others, take this info and spread it online! If it's not Theravada, it's heresy!
Prajnaparamita in a Single LetterGya-gar ke-du: Akakasharam Prajnaparamita Sarva Tathagata Ma NamaBod ke-du: De-zhin-sheg-pa Tham-che Kyi Yum Shey-rab kyi Pha-rol-tu-chin-pa Yi-ge Chig-ma Zhey-ja-wa Shuk-soI prostrate to the Supreme Mother, Prajna-paramita!Thus I have heard:Once the Blessed One was dwelling in the royal domain of the Vulture Peak Mountain together with 83 monks and many tens of billions of Bodhisatvas who were all abiding together as one skillful expedient device. Furthermore, at that time, at that moment, the Blessed One spoke thus to the Venerable Ananda:“Ananda, this is the Prajnaparamita in a single feminine letter. For the benefit and happiness of all sentient beings, you should hold it. It goes thus:“AH.”When the Blessed One had said this, that whole gathering and the world with its gods, men, asuras, and gandharvas, their hearts full of joy, praised the words of the Blessed One.Thus the Prajnaparamita in a Single Femine Letter, the Mother of All Sugatas is complete.
>>37782772What is happening in Myanmar/Burma is simply a response to the violence of Moslems. Buddhism, as opposed to the three Abrahamic religions, does not seek to forcibly convert others by violent means.
>>37782461how u doinhttps://youtu.be/E30e1qjlu6g
Can I kill insects if they scare me in Mahayana Buddhism?
>>37782452Just like christcuckery. Spiritual self denying poison.
How do I find happiness within, bro's?
>>37784429I know I should let go, but letting go of past memories and experiences that are deeply grained within me isn't easy and I don't even know how
Hasn't modern quantum physics debunked the law of karmic "cause and effect" by showing that causality is balloony? Such as retro-causality.maybe buddhism can still be correct if Dzogchen ,or Nagarjuna somehow said Karma itself is Maya?
>>37782452>I need other people's suffering, fighting, conquering and power to be happy, I need to be in control of all these impermanent things to be happyor>I need nothing to be happy
>>37784452>pour water into a bucket>put ice into the bucket also>stand underneath the bucket>dump the bucket on yourselfsorry you're cold? that's debunked *sunglasses*
>>37784441Meditation, I think the mind is like the RAM of a computer, if you keep remembering the past the memory will fill up with things from the past, so it won't be long before you're under the influence of yesterday, which is a mental fabrication, memories are fabricated by the mind. I'm still scratching the surface of this, but treat it as if yesterday was your mind made up story with details that only you remember, because they are fabricated by the mind.
>>37784452If anything it confirms them anon.
>>37784452Generally, scientists don't care about the repercussions or how people will treat their theories and discoveries in the social/psychological sphere. So I recommend separating the two: Buddhism won't teach you how to create a rocket, and science won't teach you anything about the mind and how to deal with life from a human point of view.
>>37784429>>37784441>>37784590Forget the second paragraph, I'm still developing it. I don't want anyone to end up schizophrenic. By the way, to keep the "RAM memory from filling up", use this technique: https://suttacentral.net/sn35.247/en/sujato?lang=en&layout=plain&reference=none¬es=asterisk&highlight=false&script=
Many people are tired of the dualistic conflict between the "light" and the "dark". Sure it's kind of a reality, but the only true liberation is to leave duality at all.
>>37784452Not at all. We don't have a model for the mind in science much less a psychophysical law. The issue is explored in the hard problem of consciousness. >>37784285If you take the five precepts, it is generally a good idea to follow them. However, you have to start with where you are.
>>37784187It is a nationalist movement lead by the military government, they love killing Buddhists too. The Zen Buddhists associated with imperial Japan were actually precursors to secular Buddhism as well and were propped up by the Imperial Shinto government because they were having trouble with Zen, Tendai and Shingon clerics not supporting the war effort or intentionally hogging food.
>>37784285It is samsara, it is not the best place. You want to avoid killing and try to minimize the harm. Some Mahayana traditions will say if you have to try reciting something like the sutra of great compassion or metta sutta to try to limit negative mental states with the act.>>37784452There is no direct contradiction but keep in mind the Buddhist view is not meant to be scientific explanation or model. This video kinda talks about this issue in relation to Nagarjuna. Basically Nagarjuna and the Huayan view of emptiness tend to support multiple models of contemporary physics.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sPSMTNjwHZw
What the heck is 1 1/2 lotus?
>>37784429 sit on the floor, see what happens, discern what stays and what doesn't, relax into what stays, discover the dhamma experientally, feel the freedom from the hindrances and happiness is bound to happen.
"If we look deeply, we will know that we have never been born and we will never die. A wave is born and dies, is higher or lower, more or less beautiful. But you cannot apply these notions to water. When we see this, our fear will suddenly vanish.Within us, we carry the world of no birth and no death. But we never touch it, because we live only with our notions. The practice is to remove these notions and touch the ultimate dimension — nirvana."
>>37782452>But men does not feel suffering when he inflicts it. When he changes the world. When he shows his power and might over others.>69. As long as the evil deed done does not bear fruit, the fool thinks it is like honey; but when it ripens, then the fool suffers grief.>71. An evil deed, like newly-drawn milk, does not turn (suddenly); smouldering, like fire covered by ashes, it follows the fool.>72. And when the evil deed, after it has become known, brings sorrow to the fool, then it destroys his bright lot, nay, it cleaves his head.>119. Even an evil-doer sees happiness as long as his evil deed has not ripened; but when his evil deed has ripened, then does the evil-doer see evil.>121. Let no man think lightly of evil, saying in his heart, It will not come nigh unto me. Even by the falling of water-drops a water-pot is filled; the fool becomes full of evil, even if he gather it little by little.>176. If a man has transgressed one law, and speaks lies, and scoffs at another world, there is no evil he will not do.https://www.gutenberg.org/files/2017/2017-h/2017-h.htm
>>37782481Then let's talk about buddhist sutta's mentions of spirits. This one is pretty dope I think.https://www.dhammatalks.org/suttas/KN/Ud/ud4_4.html
>>37782622I think that one should just read the suttas directly: https://www.dhammatalks.org/suttas/
>>37782702I think that the notion that there is not one thing that all Buddhists can agree on is fundamentally a meaningless statement because there is really no barrier to someone making something up and saying they heard it from a Buddha.
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>>37782931>including TheravadaBig doubt
>>37785394Mahayana don't hold to delay Nirvana. This is product of mistranslation that stuck around. Jan Nattier's book "A Few Good Men: The Bodhisattva Path according to The Inquiry of Ugra (Ugraparipṛcchā)" an academic work that points out that it is an error from the UK interacting with Buddhism. Basically, Mahayana holds in the belief on non-abiding Nirvana as a one feature of becoming a Buddha. Below is an explanation of this.https://studybuddhism.com/en/advanced-studies/lam-rim/samsara-nirvana/nirvana-in-the-different-buddhist-systemsFurther, the Pali Canon as being even closed as a canon or the only source of a canon like a bible only started with the west in the 18th century. This is why westerners get confused when they see some of the variants of TheravadaHere is an academic article on how the beleif that Pali Canon was closed and literally spoken by the Buddha developed.On the Very Idea of the Pali Canon by Steven Collinshttps://buddhistuniversity.net/content/articles/idea-of-the-pali-canon_collins-steven
>>37784285I'm going to be rude and answer out-of-line with your question: you should probably seek things like exposure therapy and also expedient, non-killing methods to capture the insects and put them where you don't hate them to be and where they don't hate to be (like taking a roach from inside you home and putting it somewhere roached like to life (like somewhere semi dark with moisture and whatever roaches eat)You should do unto others as you'd have others do unto you. Strive to put yourself into the place of a roach whenever possible and purify your ability to do that until you're a good person by everyone's rightful estimation.
>>37784429One part of the puzzle is by destroying unhappiness. Read these: https://www.dhammatalks.org/suttas/SN/SN36_6.htmlhttps://www.dhammatalks.org/suttas/SN/SN35_88.htmlhttps://www.dhammatalks.org/suttas/AN/AN10_196.htmlAnother part is doing what is conducive to well-being or beneficial. Read these: https://suttacentral.net/an1.82-97/en/sujatohttps://suttacentral.net/an1.287-295/en/sujatohttps://suttacentral.net/an1.306-315/en/sujatohttps://www.dhammatalks.org/suttas/AN/AN4_184.html
>>37785476If you want a look at how some of these changes occurred recently here is an academic lecture on it.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oi9EJSedf_0This does not mean anything bad about their traditions mind you from a Buddhist perspective. It just means that they are a bit different from how Theravada used to look and what practice used to look like.Below is a another lecture on how Theravada used to have more esoteric pratices and discusses a tradition called Southern Esoteric Buddhism for example.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M1KcXP6T6ag
>>37784441>letting go of past memories and experiences that are deeply grained within me isn't easy and I don't even know how>I don't even know howhttps://www.dhammatalks.org/suttas/MN/MN131.html
>>37784441Another one: https://www.dhammatalks.org/suttas/MN/MN20.html
>>37785522You know, Anon, when you think it somehow makes you more pure or "better" to not eat meat, all you actually do is feeding your ego-trip.
>>37784664>Sure it's kind of a reality, but the only true liberation is to leave duality at all.I've heard or read somewhere that an enlightened person doesn't have a concept of enemy. I think this is actually correct.
>>37785156I think that's impossible given the name and definition of half-lotus and full lotus
>>37785522Technically the main issue is the act of killing the animal for consumption. You can't for example donate meat to a monastery with the purpose of killing it. In Mahayana, a person is encouraged to become Vegetarian if possible out of maha-karuna. A kinda of universal compassion.
>>37782772>They do have their violent sectsThey don't have, some people choose ideologies that are far removed from the original yet hold the name. At least to me it doesn't make sense to group people based on a religion and say that other sects are related to these people.
>>37785630They are not quite consequentialists. Skillfulness and non-skillfulness are the the way they think.They hold to a general type of character consequentialism. The idea is what character trait is being developed in you through the action. The act of killing is held to train you negatively and produce negative mental qualities. Below is an example of the concept of maha-karuna as an ideal practice and the other is from the view of Theravada. With that said they still might say it is better in consequence and a good idea for other reasons to not eat meat especially given others factors.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_XBkSS14EGwhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kQSmzY0RNH0
>>37784664>the only true liberation is to leave duality at allHow?
So how often is it that a practitioner is visited by different Buddhas? I only really practice zazen, but how do I know if I'm being visited or is it just an overactive imagination?
>>37785567You're a child.
>>37785827Non-duality in the Buddhist context has a specific meaning. It is mainly a thing in Mahayana Buddhism. it is one of the outputs of practice. Some practices do produce it. It refers to the absence of the appearance (object) aspect of a cognition and the cognitive aspect of the cognition having separate existence from each other, and coming from difference sources. It is the supreme non-identification with anything but also the non production of signs. Some strands of Theravada in the Thai tradition do mention it but others more inclined towards abhidharma based practiced don't. https://www.learnreligions.com/buddhism-and-nondualism-450010https://tricycle.org/magazine/dharma-door-nonduality/Below is an example of non-dualism in the Shin Buddhist tradition, a Japanese Pure Land tradition.https://youtu.be/NEf_tQ2DPzAFrom Thien tradition.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XAw74kZYpCITalk in Theravada tradition.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RipokCRPSX4
>>37785866It depends. You don't want to focus on it or expect it. You don't want to either care if it does happen. You won't learn anything new if it happens either.
>>37785920I mean I ask because I've encountered a few. They told me their names supposedly, and the meetings left me with a level of serene calm I've never experienced outside of it. They didn't teach me anything but everything felt clearer in my mind. Question I had were no longer questions, the answer was resolved in my waking mind after coming back.
>>37782953Based and true. Buddhism makes correct assumptions but draws incorrect conclusions.
>>37784664Duality is the final answer. Nondualism is an attractive lie
>>37785962That sounds about right of what happens. It is more of a spontaneous validation usually.
>>37785998I did have a few sudden insights with it, but I was more just there enjoying the feeling of bliss I was getting. It felt like a wave of vibrational bliss was radiating from my nervous system through my body. I could feel a hum, but couldn't hear it.
>>37786064That can happen too. There are different kinda meditational states or samadhi produced. it is not unheard of.
>>37785292I'm at that level, I really understand what he means.
>take Refuge>chant Daimoku>keep lay precepts + Bodhicittado I need anything else for now? or is nichiren buddhism the buddhist equivalent of OSAS door-to-door fundie baptists?
>>37786129Nichiren Shu is ok but Nichiren Shoshu can be a type of Neo-Buddhism. Look into Risshō Kōsei Kai if you want try it. It may be better to start with Tendai or even simple Chinese Tiantai oriented Chan. Nichiren Shoshu is a gamble. They tend to be fundies but also deviate a lot from basic beliefs. Some can believe that in a type of monotheism and can be racist and believe certain beings, speficialy Japanese have special souls for example.
>>37785229What if only bad thoughts stay?
>>37782702I disagree.All buddhists, regardless of practice or tradition, believe in the Four Noble Truths and the Noble Eightfold Path, which constitute the core of the Buddha's teachings.
>>37786165NTA >Some can believe that in a type of monotheism and can be racist and believe certain beings, speficialy Japanese have special souls for example.WTF?
>>37785357Agreed
Yeah. Neo-Buddhism means that it has Buddhist figures or concepts but not any of the ideas, philosophy or practices. Nichiren Shoshu tends to be very politically focused with a certain type of Japanese Far Right Nationalism. Japanese people will avoid usually if they find out you practice it. Some Nichiren Shoshu believe that Nichiren for example is the first Buddha, not in a pedagogical sense but like the literal first Buddha and he created reality. The dharma is his divine law an the punishes as well. Japanese people were created with special souls for the task of preserving the dharma which is his will. Groups like SGI, a high control group or cult still have the alignment with far right nationalism even though it broke away from Nichiren shoshu parent org and break from some of those beliefs. As a whole they tend to have as a goal a kinda Third Civilization, as in the Fascist type as well.Here is a quote from James Allen Dator's 1969 book, "Soka Gakkai: Builders of the Third Civilization", p. 16:The basic problem is whether or not they have the ability to understand Mahayana Buddhism [what they mean by it]. Throughout all the world, the only people who are able to understand the essence of Mahayana Buddhism - specifically, the meaning of Nam-myoho-renge-kyo - are Japanese. Only the Japanese can understand the True Philosophy of [Nichiren] Daishonin. Therefore, we who understand must teach those who cannot understand."
>>37786599Although SGI specifically has a relation to the Komeito party , Nichrien Shoshu and them have connections to political violence in general. Including assassinations. They are unique for holding that a person should force others to follow them. This is called "Shakubuku" or bend and flatten.This account comes from the 1969 translation "Fascism Today: A World Survey" of the Italian original "I Figli Del Sole", 1965. From pp. 297-298:And on 5 November of the same year [1963] Premier [Hayato] Ikeda [no relation to Daisaku] narrowly escaped being killed. An election meeting in Kuriyama had just ended when a young man rushed out of the crowd and tried to hand a petition to Ikeda, but the police, who were suspicious of such petitioners, managed to stop him and the petition fell to the ground together with a ten-inch dagger. On a sheet of paper were the words "divine punishment", the traditional formula of right-wing terrorists. The would-be assassin was a young man of twenty-four called Takao Ishimoto, who belonged to the semi-military sect of the Sōka Gakkai (Value Creating Academy), which with its 13 million adherents was the most curious and at the same time disturbing phenomenon of these post-war years. Later Ishimoto confessed to the police that he wanted to kill Ikeda because he was "too fond of the Communists", an accusation that seems absurd when we remember the efforts made by Ikeda's party to persuade the Diet to amend the constitution on more conservative and anti-Communist lines. It does, however, show the lengths to which the Japanese neo-Fascists of the 1960s are prepared to go -- those worthy successors of the men who thirty years before had been responsible for the downfall of the country's precarious Liberal structure and had handed Japan over to the militarists.
>>37786616Terrorists
>>37786599>>37786616is it based on Scientology maybe? or more like the japanese equivalent of Mormonism which is, in itself "USA the religion"?Its weird theyre super-nationalistic, as I really thought historic modern-age japanese nationalism was anti-buddhist and pro-shinto
>>37784452How does retro-causality in anyway break "cause and effect"? Even if it is causality from the future, it is still causality. Neither quantum randomness or retro-causality breaks the fundamental law of cause and effect
>>37785827Do not only meditate to escape hard times, but also meditate during times of pleasure. This makes you committed to non-duality regardless of your circumstances.
>>37787454Honestly the best reply to my question. So you mean to say there is NO psychics against CAE? Not even entropy or Anthropic principle?I will delve further unto buddhist threads then, maybe that Sage of the Sakya tribe was unto something.
If you feel like you're close to enlightenment but physical existence is tying you down, what is there to do? I know we're ultimately subject to fates and currents but the idea of decades more is a bit overwhelming. I feel disconnected from humanity, people are so devoted to the biological/social cycle and just have no time/don't understand when you feel ready to be done with the physical shell. I'd offer it to a spirit more desiring of life but I wouldn't want to dump my memories on them, plus said memories may tie us down to this plane
>>37785453I think the key to understanding the Mahayana lies in understanding the nature of the Buddha. Some of the Theravada that has come down to us reflects the idea of the Buddha as a human being, which isn't wrong, but it can't be denied that the suttas, which claim to be the true word of the Buddha, also affirm an extra-ordinary nature of the Buddha.
>>37787551Nothing breaks the laws of cause and effect, no. I don't understand why you believe entropy or the philosophical question of anthropics even implies that.
>>37787602Do the best I can as a layperson until the " faltal moment" you've been waiting for. You are not alone.
>>37786320Can you explain how this is true for the various sects? I mean how exactly does zen and vajrayana agree on the 4 noble truths, because to me, vajrayana is immersed in appealing to deities and zen is immersed in having temporary glimpses into enlightenment. Both depart a bit from the idea of releasing oneself from samsara. Correct me if I'm wrong.
>>37787389I mean this type of Buddhism is anti-Buddhist and is actually pro-Imperial Shinto too. Historically, its argument against Shingon and Shin Buddhism was that they did not pay enough attention to proto-Imperial Shinto deities. For the most part Shinbutsu-Shugo was still a thing. It is really in that Neo-Nationalist Ethnocentrist brand of religious tradition.>>37787726Technically, traditional Theravadins hold that the Buddha has two bodies the Dhammakaya and Rupakaya Body. The Dhammakaya is the equivalent of the Dharmakaya and is anywhere the dharma is. The Rupakaya is the historical buddha and any bodies he emanated. Below is an example of a sutta with a reference to the Dhammakaya body.This was said by the Blessed One, said by the Arahant, so I have heard: "Even if a monk, taking hold of my outer cloak, were to follow right behind me, placing his feet in my footsteps, yet if he were to be greedy for sensual pleasures, strong in his passions, malevolent in mind, corrupt in his resolves, his mindfulness muddled, unalert, uncentered, his mind scattered, & his faculties uncontrolled, then he would be far from me, and I from him. Why is that? Because he does not see the Dhamma. Not seeing the Dhamma, he does not see me."But even if a monk were to live one hundred leagues away, yet if he were to have no greed for sensual objects, were not strong in his passions, not malevolent in mind, uncorrupt in his resolves, his mindfulness established, alert, centered, his mind at singleness, & his faculties well-restrained, then he would be near to me, and I to him. Why is that? Because he sees the Dhamma. Seeing the Dhamma, he sees me."https://www.accesstoinsight.org/tipitaka/kn/iti/index.htmlIntroduction to Mahayana Buddhism Part 1 (this one has a chart of the differences right away if you want to jump and it describes the two bodymodel))https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h5jayCoGN7s&list=PLKBfwfAaDeaWBcJseIgQB16pFK4_OMgAs&index=3
>>37787999The academic lectures below on the history of Chan should help. It helps to note that Zen/Chan is technically a genre of literature. In the Japanese context, unlike every other context it became a bit more institutionally distinct. If you study the main philosophical traditions underlying Zen/Chan, Tiantai and Huayan, you can also get a more scholastic break down of how it functions. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GAT6Rj91C3E&t=1shttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vBB8dp4of14&list=PLOLeFveXa_tgK_mQRbbDJ8MoFZ5ZiY6Fv&index=2https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G2qVYHN5gIM&list=PLOLeFveXa_tgK_mQRbbDJ8MoFZ5ZiY6Fv&index=3
>>37787999I forgot to mention that Rinzai Zen in the Japanese context practiced Shingon and Tendai Vajrayana. Although, the combination with Pure Land is also technically a type of such practice but people don't think of it that way. Zen and Pure Land practice are actually the most similar belive it or not. Here is a video explains this but there academic works exploring the relationship. Tendai Buddhist nembutsu practice is kinda a glimpse into that.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zCYNDig3rF0&t=875s
>>37782452I too was 14 once
Zen also has Dharani's and mantras and so on. Not so much visualization. Below are some examples of hymns (wasan) sung in the Soto Zen. A notable example of Great Compassion Dharani is an example. One thing that Zen does not focus on usually is visualization. Further, unlike Tibetan Buddhism, Zen does focus on sudden enlightenment, which technically only appears sudden conventionally speaking. Tibetan tends to take a more gradual approach and have more visualization. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wSM6wghvUi0
What IS enlightenment?What does it do?What's the difference between an enlightened person and one who is not?Does it have any practical purpose?
>>37788219The difference between an enlightened and a non-enlightened is the experience of dukkha and the presence of ignorant craving as an essence, substance, atman or soul. An enlightened being does not experience dukkha or suffer from ignorant craving. They are unconditioned and no longer bound by dependent origination. These three videos can outline the idea.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DFzF9RlYEz4&list=PLKuMaHOvHA4rag4t-jjdbeDdye5nb0rlF&index=2https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TuSN5heY954&t=629shttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QIo7qWUT6zM
>>37788219This is what I have read:Nirvana puts an end to karma. The condition of nirvana is the extinction of greed, hatred, and delusion from the five aggregates of clinging. The accomplishment of nirvana imparts a perpetual liberation free from dependence on karma. The mind of an individual who has seen nirvana has become enlightened.
>>37782430>&si=xVDMARZ15FghNI_JDo not share links via the share button on youtube. they use this URL parameter to create social graphs of people and weight their recommends with it. do you want the average /x/isters yt feed linked to yours? now you do.
>>37782461Hitler came back, but he learned. It's so over in the end. He came born as a half-asian half-german a little bit of Italian male inside of Los Angeles, living the dream, or how he sees it, his new dream. He seems peaceful, happy, and maybe somewhat content. Ya know, maybe life is much more better on the simpler side of existence in the end.
>>37790463Truth is though, he still hates jews. Sadly, but he turned out ok. At least, just smokes cigarettes and enjoys his past time with walking around.
>>37790472>>37790463He may hate jews, but he did make a vow of non-violence at least. He knows the future now belongs though to something more horrorifying, but anons. This is a story for another time.
>>37782865>does not understand the context of the meme (flower sermon)>jumps to conclusions>gets angry over his wrong assumptions Non-buddhists in a nutshell
I think Im unironically autismo; Of all Buddhist schools I studied I like "tibetan buddhism" (vajrayana )because of the mathematical concept of merit accumulation. Chant 100K mantras, or use this material of mala for 10X benefit, or get X100 million merit on Buddha Day, etcThe sad thing is, probably this isn't even literal once you delve deeper into tibetan buddhism itself (Dzogchen, non-dual tantras in mahamudra, etc)
>>37782452>anals of historyLIKE AN ASSHOLE :DDD
>>37790438S-sorry. Speaking of which, I tried for the first time to look up Buddhism on YouTube... Just garbage vids
>>37782430>Introduction to Buddhism series by Aaron Proffitt, Ph. D>https://youtube.com/playlist?list=PLKBfwfAaDeaWBcJseIgQB16pFK4_OMgAs&si=xVDMARZ15FghNI_JThat's Mahayana, not buddhism.
>>37782953>The ‘solution’ buddhism offers is fucking impossiblethis isn't true lolwith just a little practice you can become detached from preference for particular outcomes and reduce the suffering you would otherwise experienceyou are just ignorant on this topic mate
>>37782755abrahamism is founded upon blood sacrifice
>>37782772>Look at tantric buddhism, which worships deities who practice violent acts,get the fuck out of this thread you goddamned jew
>>37782953you need to be 18 to post here
>>37784429>How do I find happiness within, bro's?get your endocrine system running well and it all becomes easy
>>37782452this is unbelievably retarded. >suffering is caused by desire.Dukkha is caused by the mind, and the mind's tendency to crave or desire. >Buddhism wants an equal societyPeople are not equal (On a Provisional, relative level). Caste, Age, Race, Sex, Class, all exist. Virtue and Non-virtue exist. Heavens and Hells exist. The Bhumis, Jhanas, Arhatship, and Buddhahood all separate Accomplished practitioners from novices or plebs. >who sit around sleepingIdleness, save for a great yogi or tantrika or Dzogchen practitioner is a fault and a nonvirtue.
>>37785866>but how do I know if I'm being visited or is it just an overactive imagination?to seeto bleedcannot be taught
>>37782473how so?`
>>37786076>samadhioh what days are these when passing ruffians toss about the word samahdiexceedingly few will understand what it truly means to manifest the spiritual light
>>37786262this is why you train your breath, to calm the mindstop furthering thoughts of any kind when you catch yourself just immediately stop and return to cultivationas many times as neededyou get better at it with practice
>>37787551there is more in heaven and earth, horatio, than dreamt of in your philosophies
>>37787602>If you feel like you're close to enlightenmentlol, lmao even
>>37782702No. At least not to any substantial extant, as there may be branches of "Buddhism" which directly go against the Triple Gem, at which case they aren't Buddhist whatsoever.In the case of various schools of thought, sects, etc. Think of it like this: Lets say there is a massive, and I literally mean massive, (infinite actually) cave. The inside of the cave spans on forever. Some might try digging to get inside of this cave by digging in New York, some by Tokyo, some by London, however, despite any surface level differences and despite what each sect focuses on, all (assuming they are legitimate) lead to the same cave. The only difference is surface-level.
Where are the cute rocks?
>>37788219>What IS enlightenment?>What does it do?>What's the difference between an enlightened person and one who is not?>Does it have any practical purpose?the true meaning of the word is the merging of physical & spiritualthis surpasses a quasi physio-spiritual coefficient of frictioneffectively detaching one's baryonic matter from being tethered to the 4d spacetime membrane or however many d it akshually turns out to bethis is why Nan Huai Chin stated that there are 3 ways to enter a realm, by the womb, by the egg, or spontaneous manifestationcountless transformation bodies possible with requisite cultivated potentialthe shape of the universe is that of a toruswe wind our way aroundbut I gather from my studies that you dont want to go back into the big bang at the middle when your trip's done, you've got to sidestep itand the only way to do that is to be able to be un tethered from the spacetime membrane
>>37788267you wont understand from reading about it
I know I'm not supposed to read restricted tantras but after reading the HYT its really not surprising Tibetans have an issue with pedophilia, holy fuck.Just going to stick to other forms of Buddhism.
>>37793102reminder that tantra means energy exchangeits usually first learned with trees
>>37782772>violent sects and tendenciesThere has been violence between sects in Buddhism, yes, (I'd argue less than Christianity in reference to the other anon) however you seem to have greatly misunderstood Buddhism. The Deities "who practice violent acts" are Buddhas with the qualities of "Wrathful Bodhicitta" (Buddha-Mind, mind of Pure Compassion) who use violence typically to dispel ignorance, remove obstacles, and to obliterate dangerous forces, internal or external.>committing ritual violence to gain magic powersUnless someone has completely abandoned the path, no one commits ritual violence solely to gain magic powers. Siddhis are signs of accomplishment and are developed naturally or by actively working for them through Sadhanas (Ritual consisting of prayers, visualizations, self-generation as Buddha-Deity). Any acts of violence in the process are done with great care and usually reserved for great practitioners.>myanmarBuddhists stopping their replacement and fighting against hostility is bad?>slavery under Buddhist TibetGood. Slavery, when under the control of an aristocracy of great virtue, merit, and Bodhicitta is one of the best options for an inferior persons.>great PRDepends of what counts as great. Many still think of Buddhism as hippies being mindful and playing in fields of flowers, and some think it isn't a religion at all, Yikes!>ascetic religionMost Buddhists are not monks, but are regular people like you or me who also happen to be Buddhist (Layperson).>integrated into larger statesSo the Mauryans and Feudal Tibet don't exist?
>>37782789>every different sect try to go about perceiving him in a way that he did not prescribe?Firstly, he did. Read the Pali Canon for Theravadins and Mahayana Sutras for Maha and Vajrayanis and Tantras for Vajrayanis (With the proper Guru, Empowerments, Transmission, of course!). It is important to note here that we live in the Kali Yuga. What does this mean? Virtues and Merit is in a depression and at a low-point. For me and you, it means that more scholarly pursuits (academic studies, debates, recitation of sutras, etc.) are weaker in this eon and passions are at an all-time high. As a result tantric practices are especially effective during this time. Tantric practices which were literally made for this age.
>>37784320Nope.
>>37786099>>37785292>"If we look deeply, we will know that we have never been born and we will never die. A wave is born and dies, is higher or lower, more or less beautiful. But you cannot apply these notions to water. When we see this, our fear will suddenly vanish.Not the buddha's teaching.>>37785968>>37782953>>Both Catholicism and Buddhism principally blame the human, rather than the environment.That's completely false. The buddha can't even turn the aggregates into a something pleasant, so why would he blame random lay people for not being enlightened lol.>>37785827>>37785914Nonduality is not part of the suttas. the best you can find is the qualifier ''undivided'' as some proto kasina practice like in MN77 and it has nothing to do with Mahayana.>>37787726>>I think the key to understanding the Mahayana lies in understanding the nature of the Buddha.There's no nature of the buddha to begin with, and the only way to understand the buddha's teaching is to become arahant, and all of this is rejected by the mahayanists..>>37785513>Below is a another lecture on how Theravada used to have more esoteric practices and discusses a tradition called Southern Esoteric Buddhism for example.yeah and it doesn't mean they were right, and there's still no esoteric practices in the suttas, so no sutta basis for yogavacara>>37788017>The Dhammakaya is the equivalent of the Dharmakaya and is anywhere the dharma is.no, the dhammakaya is mimicking the hindu brahmakaya in DN27 as the buddha talks to brahmins and he explains the sotapana is just the son of the buddha just like when a brahmin thinks he's the son of brahman.In any case it's not like in Mahayana.
>>37782702>They vary to a great extent, so much so that some say that there is not one>thing that all Buddhists can agree on. Do you agree with this statement?The only way to reconcile the suttas with whatever the mahayana gurus claim is to use the same words but with different meaning, like they did here>>37782951>https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Basic_points_unifying_Theravāda_and_Mahāyānaso for instance the word buddha for a buddhist means something different than the word buddha for a mahayana guru, but because they use the same words the mahayana guru passes for a buddhist and he is happy knowing fully he deceives people.For the buddhists schools , they are supposed to have all the buddhist suttas in common and what separate them is the vinayas and the abidhammas. It's more or less okay, but the lack of complete canons from other schools than theravada makes it difficult to assess. Fortunately with the fragments the westerners have found and with the chinese canon, there's a strong overlap among the suttas and the they are indeed intact from later pollution, like the mahayana pollution or the hindu pollution.
>>37786262see those thoughts as they are happening.
>>37793248Yogavacara is not inherently related to any esoteric practices in Theravada. Yogavacara has seperate origins. Southern Esoteric Buddhism mainly used Abhidharmma materials and suttas . Esoteric Theravada actually preexists the 18th century Reform version of Theravada though. Usually, it is called Southern Esoteric Buddhism. Yogavacara preexists the 12th century and the formation of Theravada. However, it still had resurgences around the 17th century. Below is an example of a major manual of practice in it from Sri Lanka.https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yogāvacara%27s_manualSome Thai strands of Theravada still have an account of Buddha nature, just that inherent potentiality developed from depdent origination. It is not a unique idea to Mahayana. Below is an academic lecture looking at the sutta sources for the idea. Sri Lankan strands lost the idea around the 18th century.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BlwOE_JzknM
>>37793102Is that the one that says the ideal age of a consort for an accomplished Guru is 10-16? If you think thats bad, there are way worse tantric texts too. I stopped thinking of Tibetan Buddhism as Buddhism, other forms of Vajrayana are much more in line with the rest of the teachings.
>>37793432Much of that stuff to be fair is symbolic and random stuff. Often implicitly abstract philosophical stuff.
>>37793446Tendai Vajrayana is the most strait-laced because they start from the scholastic Tiantai philosophy. Shingon is a bit more experiential but focuses on things from a Huayan perspective more.
>>37793446The child consort thing is absolutely not symbolic though, it was a literal historical practice. There are plenty of stories about it, and well respected Gurus becoming obsessed with children.
>>37793491This is indeed true sadly. Only Tibetan Buddhism does the whole guru thing. Here is a cool lecture I found that states how the practice started in the 12th century.https://podcasts.ox.ac.uk/rise-guru-yoga-twelfth-century-tibet>>37793282The current academic belief is that were was a Bodshiattva Pitaka and at no point in history was there a belief that there as a belief in common suttas. There was a sravaka Pitaka as well. The reason why is because each saw itself as coming from oral traditions and there is evidence that this is the case. The monastic institutions revolved around oral recitation. The biggest empirical evidence for this comes from early canons like Gilgit manuscripts and others. Below is an academic lecture describing that work. The Vinaya is technically what separated the Buddhist traditions. This is why Mahayana would practice in various monasteries alongside the other traditions. Some traditions like the Dunhuang and Bamian Three Levels did not really separate alongside the lines of Sravaka and Bodhisattva either. They separated alongside practice with the idea being a practitioner chose one or the other. The Mahayana Theravada division cleave did not cling those lines till around the 14-15th century and even then there are cases of suttas or sutras being in different tradition places. The Heart Sutra and parts of the Flower Garland sutra being common examples in South East Asia like in the Temple of the Emerald Buddha and various Suttas being used in Vietnam are still example. It is worth noting The Chinese canon has material from 6 different canons in it. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0GO_oaz0_b4
>>37793491Kalu Rinpoche getting raped repeatedly by Tibetan monks made a lot more sense when I was read into certain tantric practices unfortunately.
lol posting Buddhist thread on /x/ which has collective IQ of 40 and belong in mental asylum
Any of you guys read the approaching the buddhist path series by the Dalai Lama and Thubten Chodron, if so how is it? good general reading or focused on tibetan buddhism only?
I wish Buddhism, outside of Theravada was more approachable. Mahayana schools are super hit or miss>Japanese schools rife with sectarianism, and the classic Japanese spiritual practice of "separating it all out" and Japan hasn't had a legitimate Sangha since the Meiji era. >Chinese Mahayana, especially dual practice styles are practically impossible to find teachers in, 99% of the content is in Chinese only. Chinese Pure Land practitioners follow a bunch of apocryphal, dubious Sutras and have all kinds of strange made up rules about how to get to the Pure Lands that aren't even in the original Pure Land sutras, actual shit they just made up like the whole death bed issue>Buddhism is practically dead in Korea>Vietnamese teachers practice a kind of odd blend of Theravada and Mainland Chinese Mahayana, and their Sanghas are notoriously unfriendly towards outsiders>Tibetans literally can't keep their hands to themselves and frequently massively profit off their teachings, and have one rape and abuse scandal after another
>>37794658The most accessible is the Pure Land only lineages from China (Shandao) and Japan (Honen and Shinran), but its not a path for everyone that is for sure, as they de-emphasize personal effort completely and hedge their bets totally on "other power", aka Amitabha.Its a very salvific form of Buddhism, but is very much traditional Mahayana. The oldest known Mahayana Sutra is a Pure Land sutra.
>>37793282>>37793159>>37793043>>37788112>>37788079>>37786320Can anyone give a detailed explanation of how or why they think that the four noble truths aren't shared between all forms of Buddhism? I have yet to understand why that wouldn't be the case. For example, perhaps Zen does not care about suffering but instead goes straight to mindfulness.
>>37792972How does this make me a jew...>>37793120Brutal slavery of inferior persons is somehow ok with you, but you can't get around buddhists supposedly being "replaced". What makes one form of violence ok, and the other not. Do you think being buddhist inherently makes oneself superior? In that case, what about buddhists who accumulate negative karma and then reincarnate into a lower form. If everyone's future incarnation is yet to be determined, then who's to say which person is superior.
>>37782452>anals of historyKEK FPBP
>>37793248oh look, a complete random fella with no life posting on 4chan thinking he knows more about buddhism than monks that spend decades of their lifes to it, thanks a lot mr, I don't know what I would do without your wisdom, smartass
>>37785453this is a strawman though, first: having a good moral conduct, meditation and nirvana are all still preached by mahayana, read any book written by a mahayana monk and you'll see they are still ultra strict about morality.Second, taking the bodhisattva vow is not for everybody, it is a path open to those who want it, you can still be a arhat and stop being reborn (something mahayanists don't deny), the philosophical truths of mahayana FAR surpress the ones of theravada, because they are a development. most concepts of mahayana like: buddha nature, three bodies, shunyata, bodhichitta, bardo, pure lands etc... where present in theravada in seed form, and where developed by mahayana enriching buddhism and taking it to new heights theravada is lagging far behind.
>>37794884Zen/Chan and certain traditions of Pure Land hold that one spontaneously and without conceptual proliferation act ethically and develop compassion. This is because said compassion arises from the realization that one has no essence. It is kind telescoped into the practice mindfulness or shinjin in the case of Shin Buddhism.>>37794587The first is ok but 3rd volume on up are indeed focused in Tibetan Buddhism.>>37794658Japanese traditions are institutionally separate as in training to be cleric it matters a lot. They are indeed more focused on Clerics and laypeople. Most traditions like Jodo Shu, have room for auxulliary practices of other traditions. Tendai have always been open to multiple practices. Obaku and Rinzai Zen tend to have room for Pure Land and Shingon practices in Japan. Chinese Pure Land actually does use a lot of sutras but sutras that are usually identified as Zen texts. Some of those rules come from those and texts by Shandao but others are interpreted from other patriarchs in the tradition. They do focus almost entirely on the conventional level of reality though unlike the Japanese Pure Land traditions. This can be off putting for people. Here is an academic lecture video on their patriarchs.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ufCjMI-vvDg
>>37794587I forgot to mention it is exoteric Mahayana so if you don't ever plan on going int Vajrayana it can be very useful.
>>37790041>The accomplishment of nirvana imparts a perpetual liberation free from dependence on karma.I think you misguided on a point that may seem trivial but nevertheless has a non-trivial consequence on some level.I think it's not the case that one who is enlightened is free from karma, rather they are a master of it: doing not evil, they experience no evil. Being good, they actions result only in what is likeable, agreeable, pleasant, desirable, etc.There is a zen koan which illustrates, I think, a similar viewpoint as what I've written above:>When Hyakujo Osho delivered a certain series of sermons, an old man always followed the monks to the main hall and listened to him. When the monks left the hall, the old man would also leave. One day, however, he remained behind, and Hyakujo asked him, “Who are you, standing here before me?” The old man replied, “I am not a human being. In the old days of Kasyapa Buddha, I was a head monk, living here on this mountain. One day, a student asked me, ‘Does a man of enlightenment fall under the yoke of causation or not?’ I answered, ‘No, he does not.’ >Since then, I have been doomed to undergo five hundred lives as a fox. I beg you now to give the turning word to release me from my life as a fox. Tell me, does a man of enlightenment fall under the yoke of causation or not?” Hyakujo answered, “He does not ignore causation.” No sooner had the old man heard these words than he was enlightened. Making his bows, he said, “I am emancipated from my life as a fox. I shall remain on this mountain. I have a favor to ask of you: would you please bury my body as that of a dead monk?”>Hyakujo had the director of the monks strike with the gavel and inform everyone that after the midday meal there would be a funeral service for a dead monk.Continued here: https://clearspringzen.org/2023/04/mumonkan-case-2-hyakujos-fox/
>>37795173Mahayanists do, to an extent, deny Arahantship. The lotus sutra mentions that all Arahants will eventually be "roused" from their slumber by superior bodhisattvas to complete the path.Also, most of the philosophical developments of Mahayana read like straight up fan fiction to Theravada practitioners. These developments are utterly irrelevant to Theravadins, because they have living Arahants and these expanded philosophies are in their view, utterly useless at best, or straight up revisionism at worst.For example, the no self vs not self debate. (I'm not a Theravadin btw, just explaining from their pov). Theravadins are very utilitarian and this extra philosophy is just fluffy bs to them.
>>37794658The more ill-defined a doctrine (or school of thought which is purported to fall under the same overarching doctrinal umbrella) is the more likely it is to allow for people of ill motivations purchase and refuge.
>>37786099Who understand what ?
>>37795173>the philosophical truths of mahayana FAR surpress the ones of theravadawas this a freudian type? To me, Mahayana's main purpose is to lead people away from what is clearcut, straightforward, and evident with lofty worthless metaphysical academia and lofty ideals.
>>37795353>The lotus sutra mentions that all Arahants will eventually be "roused" from their slumber by superior bodhisattvas to complete the path.This is true. The Lotus Sutra says that arahantism as it's described before its writing/transmission isn't REALLY arahantism but an able device etc etc
>>37795431It technically states that the Arhantship is real but is an expedient means ultimately ends in the state of being a Buddha further down the line. However, is from the point of a view of a Buddha. Here is an academic lecture laying out some of what the sutra states.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bOpLjNB5AT4
>>37795353Not me saying pretty much what you said here: >>37795422. I said it was "lofty worthless metaphysical academia and lofty ideals" for the exact reason that "Be good and see good" has no reason to turn into "The buddha had 3 bodies which has 27 components which themself are 23,000 cosmoses which inform 26000 buddha fields which are replete with 56000 natural treasures" and so on.
>>37795449>Here is an academic lecture laying out some of what the sutra states.I don't need that. I've read it multiple times in a language which I comprehend very very well.
>>37795451All that stuff is not quite the metaphysical part though. That is actually meant to be meant more about how an individual transforms experience into dharma through wisdom. The immanence of dharma through wisdom is theunique real element of Mahayana. This is why it is more lay focused.
>>37795449What you just said is still a denial or a revision of Arahantship as Theravadins understand it, and according to EBTs.
>>37795465I think Theravada is the most accessible out of Theravada, Mahayana, Tibetan Buddhist.
All this Theravada vs Mahayana stuff is crap. Go meet some monastics and see which ones feel authentic to you, the differences will be apparent.
>>37795536Technically, they still are often in the same monasteries. For example Bhikku Bodhi is at a Chan Monstery right now. Tendai, even though it is a cleric based tradition, does have people who follow Vinaya in small amounts. They go to Myanmar to do it. I believe it is keep its ordination platform.
>>37795616Yeah, but the monastics which belong to each tradition are pretty obvious, and also in certain countries, there is minimal to no intermingling, or presence of the other tradition at all.
>>37782430https://discord.com/invite/FdUKkdbR
>>37782481All religions are /x/ or have /x/ related elements
>>37782452A big part of Buddhism is realizing the impermanence of things. Civilizations collapse, empires fall, buildings crumble, great painting deteriorate, history becomes forgotten.
Buddhism is a nihilistic religion that seeks permanent suicide
>>37796745Wow buddha btfo
>>37791876I love Dzogchen. Chants are useful and build merit because they teach you to concentrate and externally direct your willpower towards something constructive, so each time you pursue them it really does build merit 100% of the time. However, I'm really ADHD and undomesticated so I was never a fan of the repetition and in the end I've found it to be largely unnecessary. That's why I love Dzogchen and mahamudra: once you get to that point you're instructed to discard all those habits, all those chants, and all those repetitions in favor of developing an intuitive and unconscious view of the true reality. I'm getting deeper into mahamudra and love it, whereas I always found my brain glazing over at mantras. Everyone has their own path though!
What's the buddhist take on seeking companionship? How come buddhist monks can have sex and girlfriends and wives, when desire is something you're supposed to get rid of?
>>37797045Buddhism has no restrictions against sex and relationships unless they involve coercion, lying, or violence. The different sects set their own rules for how clergy will live. The goal of Buddhism isn't the elimination of desire but the mastery of it and yourself.
>>37797077>The goal of Buddhism isn't the elimination of desire but the mastery of it and yourself.Not according to the buddha. The buddha says removing desire is the only tool to get fully enlightened.
>>37795269>>I think it's not the case that one who is enlightened is free from karmaThe whole point of being enlightened is that there are no longer karmic births, no existing in karmic realms of life. In other words, being enlightened means you are free from karma.
>>37795173>Second, taking the bodhisattva vow is not for everybody, it is a path open to those who want it, you can still be a arhat and stop being reborn (something mahayanists don't deny), the philosophical truths of mahayana FAR surpress the ones of theravada, because they are a development. most concepts of mahayana like: buddha nature, three bodies, shunyata, bodhichitta, bardo, pure lands etc... where present in theravada in seed form, and where developed by mahayana enriching buddhism and taking it to new heights theravada is lagging far behind.if those ideas were important then the buddha would have said so. Also those ideas are not found in the suttas like they are in Mahayana. Bardo doesn't matter, same thing for pure lands, budha nature is not even present, the emptiness in buddhism is not the emptiness of Mahayana
>>37795451>Not me sayingThis zoomnigger phrase needs to die. Say what you want about me being "mean", you will never reach nirvana by being a soulless clone.
>>37797740Buddha was married so
>>37795173>the philosophical truths of mahayana FAR surpress the ones of theravada, because they are a development. most concepts of mahayana like: buddha nature, three bodies, shunyata, bodhichitta, bardo, pure lands etc... where present in theravada in seed form, and where developed by mahayana enriching buddhism and taking it to new heights theravada is lagging far behind.Same with the earth theory : Hollow earth is such fascinating theory - a whole new world, ecosystem, maybe even civilization. Far superior to flat earth which is just thinly veiled religious screeching. Hollow earthers are much more trustworthy because they don't have ulterior motives.
The number of Ashoka defenders in this thread is egregious
>>37796745I don't think you know what either of those things mean
>>37796745That is untrue. The truth is otherwise.
>>37797045Relevant suttas: https://www.dhammatalks.org/suttas/AN/AN4_55.htmlhttps://www.dhammatalks.org/suttas/MN/MN87.htmlhttps://www.dhammatalks.org/suttas/AN/AN7_48.html
>>37797077>The goal of Buddhism isn't the elimination of desire but the mastery of it and yourself.Not according to this sutta: https://www.dhammatalks.org/suttas/SN/SN51_15.html
>>37797869>The whole point of being enlightened is that there are no longer karmic births, no existing in karmic realms of life."Karmic birth" you say. Who ever said "karmic birth" and buddhism in the same breath? "Karmic realms of life"? Who, other than you, ever said "karmic realms of life" and "buddhism" and rightly represented the dharma?I don't think those are buddhist terms or buddhist viewpoints. Please don't Eckhart Tolle the dharma.
>>37798233>This [x] needs to die.>Say what you want about me being [x]>you will never [x] by being [x]Uno reverse.
>>37798584Actually, when the buddha reached enlightenment it was only his subliminal estrella-kaya body that was married, while his transcendent ineffable rainbow body was actually liberated in all ways in that moment, but actually he was liberated for 500 million kalpas before that. You would know that if arahantism was actually arahantism but since it is merely an able device meant to lead one to an intemediary step before the buddha, in his resplendent glory, actually leads one to what is the REAL goal - t. a Mahayana probably
>>37798737To help this comparison along, Theravada buddhism and its suttas is like agriculture for a hungry man, architecture and engineering for a person wanting a home, and fables for someone wanting to know what kind of outcomes come from what actions before they do the action.Compared to that, Mahayana is like hollow earth theory. Even if its exhaustively fleshed out, it's basically completely impertinent with reference to anything valuable.
Did you all, like me, believe that the "I" existed before meeting the Buddha? And now, what are the implications?
>>37797077>The goal of Buddhism isn't the elimination of desire but the mastery of it and yourself.The actual opposite of Buddhism. Dumbest post. Maybe ever.
>>37800268NTA Now you have to explain why and how the Buddha moved after awakening.
>>37800324So close! He doesn't actually have to. You want him to.
>>37799741Read the sutta more carefully. Ananda tells Unnabha that he must *allay* his desires. That means put to rest, fulfill, soothe, not eliminate. Trying to force yourself to not desire things just leads to anhedonia and depression. It's artificial, unnatural, and unskillful. Did not Gautama Siddhartha desire to bring others to enlightenment? Why did he incarnate and do anything if he didn't care about anything?https://buddhability.org/practice/are-buddhists-allowed-to-want-things/
>>37800578I didn't say or imply that the sutta supported eliminating desire. I did say or imply that the sutta gainsaid "but the master of it and yourself".Putting something aside and mastering it are two separate things.
>>37800615You're incoherent and just trying to argue for the sake of it. Go meditate.
>>37800578You must have struggled to find a link to support your bullshit. That’s one pathetic source. You think that’s some sort of authority.Buddhism is not only the elimination of desire.It’s the escape from the eternal cycle of reincarnation. You will have to be free from all desire.
>>37782452>But men does not feel suffering when he inflicts itYeah we do. Maybe if you're a psychopath you don't.
>>37800633dharma is lost and must be rediscovered in the cycles of time. discussion of and meditating on natural law is necessary.
>>37800662Pointless arguments over semantics isn't good discussion though. Like I don't even know what you're trying to argue because you're not making a coherent argument beyond "you're wrong". The sutra you posted directly supports what I said, which is that one must master their desires instead of eliminate them. This really isn't an uncommon discussion for me. It's a common stage of spiritual development to fall into the nihilism trap of "the goal of Buddhism is to stop caring and reincarnating!!!". It means they're at least eating the Buddha's fish hooks, at some point they'll begin to actually think about it and chew on the paradoxes he put forward.https://www.nichirenlibrary.org/en/dic/Content/U/24> Ānanda, Mahākāshyapa, and Bodhisattva Maitreya question the Buddha about how those who will appear after the Buddha’s death can purify all their senses and wipe away all their offenses >************without either cutting off earthly desires or separating themselves from the five desires.***************> In reply, Shakyamuni says that, by practicing meditation on Bodhisattva Universal Worthy, carrying out repentance, and embracing the great vehicle teaching, they can attain Buddhahood.
>>37800736>>https://www.nichirenlibrary.org/en/dic/Content/U/24This is part of Mahayana, not Buddhism.Also https://www.accesstoinsight.org/tipitaka/kn/snp/snp.5.08.than.html[Hemaka:]In the past,before hearing Gotama's teaching,when anyone explained 'It was,' 'It will be,'all that was hearsay, quoted words.All that promoted conjectureand gave me no pleasure.Now, sage, teach me the Dhammademolishing craving,knowing which, living mindfully,one would cross over beyondentanglement in the world.[The Buddha:]Here, Hemaka,with regard to things that are dear — seen, heard, sensed, & cognized —there is: the dispelling of passion & desire, the undying state of Unbinding.Those knowing this, mindful, fully unbound in the here & now,are forever calmed,have crossed over beyondentanglement in the world.>SN 27.8: Tanha Sutta — CravingAt Savatthi. "Monks, any desire-passion with regard to craving for forms is a defilement of the mind. Any desire-passion with regard to craving for sounds... craving for aromas... craving for flavors... craving for tactile sensations... craving for ideas is a defilement of the mind. When, with regard to these six bases, the defilements of awareness are abandoned, then the mind is inclined to renunciation. The mind fostered by renunciation feels malleable for the direct knowing of those qualities worth realizing.">Linked Discourses 18.8>Chapter One CravingAt Sāvatthī.“What do you think, Rāhula? Is craving for sights permanent or impermanent?”“Impermanent, sir.” …“… craving for sounds … craving for smells … craving for tastes … craving for touches … Is craving for ideas permanent or impermanent?”“Impermanent, sir.” …“Seeing this, a learned noble disciple grows disillusioned with craving for sights, sounds, smells, tastes, touches, and ideas. …”
Here's a funny sutta https://www.dhammatalks.org/suttas/AN/AN10_93.htmlWhen this had been said, Anāthapiṇḍika the householder said to the wanderers, “As for the venerable one who says, ‘The cosmos is eternal. Only this is true; anything otherwise is worthless. This is the sort of view I have,” his view arises from his own inappropriate attention or in dependence on the words of another. Now this view has been brought into being, is fabricated, willed, dependently originated. Whatever has been brought into being, is fabricated, willed, dependently originated: That is inconstant. Whatever is inconstant is stress. This venerable one thus adheres to that very stress, submits himself to that very stress.” [Similarly for the other positions.]When this had been said, the wanderers said to Anāthapiṇḍika the householder, “We have each & every one expounded to you in line with our own positions. Now tell us what views you have.”“Whatever has been brought into being, is fabricated, willed, dependently originated: That is inconstant. Whatever is inconstant is stress. Whatever is stress is not me, is not what I am, is not my self. This is the sort of view I have.”“So, householder, whatever has been brought into being, is fabricated, willed, dependently originated: That is inconstant. Whatever is inconstant is stress. You thus adhere to that very stress, submit yourself to that very stress.”“Venerable sirs, whatever has been brought into being, is fabricated, willed, dependently originated: That is inconstant. Whatever is inconstant is stress. Whatever is stress is not me, is not what I am, is not my self. Having seen this well with right discernment as it has come to be, I also discern the higher escape from it as it has come to be.”
>>37800923When this was said, the wanderers fell silent, abashed, sitting with their shoulders drooping, their heads down, brooding, at a loss for words. Anāthapiṇḍika the householder, perceiving that the wanderers were silent, abashed… at a loss for words, got up & went to the Blessed One. On arrival, having bowed down to the Blessed One, he sat to one side. As he was sitting there, he told the Blessed One the entirety of his conversation with the wanderers.(The Blessed One said:) “Well done, householder. Well done. That is how you should periodically & righteously refute those foolish men.” Then he instructed, urged, roused, and encouraged Anāthapiṇḍika the householder with a talk on Dhamma. When Anāthapiṇḍika the householder had been instructed, urged, roused and encouraged by the Blessed One with a talk on Dhamma, he got up from his seat and, having bowed down to the Blessed One, left, keeping the Blessed One on his right side. Not long afterward, the Blessed One addressed the monks: “Monks, even a monk who has long penetrated the Dhamma in this Dhamma & Vinaya would do well, periodically & righteously, to refute the wanderers of other persuasions in just the way Anāthapiṇḍika the householder has done.”
All wrong views are fabrications stemming from craving and this craving is due to ignorance of the dependant origination.https://www.dhammatalks.org/suttas/SN/SN22_81.html“What is the cause, what is the origination, what is the birth, what is the coming-into-existence of that fabrication? To an uninstructed, run-of-the-mill person, touched by what is felt born of contact with ignorance, craving arises. That fabrication is born of that. And that fabrication is inconstant, fabricated, dependently co-arisen. That craving… That feeling… That contact… That ignorance is inconstant, fabricated, dependently co-arisen. It is by knowing & seeing in this way that one without delay puts an end to effluents.”
>>37783089What's the difference between 'ancestral sin' and 'original sin'?
>>37801407Original Sin is usually seen as a feature of Augustine of Hippo influenced theology. The idea is that humanity inherited both the tendency to sin and the guilt of Adam and Eve's sin. Ancestral Sin is the view that humanity inherited the tendency to sin, but not the guilt for Adam and Eve's sin. In the Eastern Christian view (1) mortality, (2) a tendency to sin, and (3) alienation from God and other people is the byproduct of the fall. In contrast, the view of original includes that and some more.The Augustinian doctrine of original sin teaches that every individual is born into a broken world, metaphysically effected by sin, where sin is already active; that they are inevitably influenced personally by the actions of othersand the consequences of choices made by others. The Augustinian effectively believesthat human nature—and hence every individual person—is metaphysically damaged. Unlike the other view where it is only flawed.This difference can be a big deal. This inherently sinful nature (the basis for the Calvinistdoctrine of "total depravity") results in a complete alienation from God and the totalinability of humans to achieve reconciliation with God based on their own abilities.Not only do individuals inherit a sinful nature due to Adam's fall, but since he was thehead and representative of the human race, all whom he represents inherit the guilt ofhis sin by imputation. Basically, a type of determinism in the end for a Calvinist. >>37800662The fact that you even have the concept of 'dharma' and the concept of 'Buddha' means it is not lost. >>37797045If you are lay prationer it is ok. Just no rape. However, you should in general not be controlled by your desires, that would then lead to ignorant craving, which is the basis of being in samsara.
>>37800736The general idea of the immanence in the dharma in Mahayana is that with wisdom all complex phenomena allow for progression on the path to the cessation of dukkha. Specifically it was a way to think of the three marks of existence for a lay person and not just as object of analysis as a monastic. It is the source of lojong and deep hearing and various practices. Passion filtered through wisdom can be good basically. Basically, wisdom enables a person to transform their experiences. Below is a video on the idea from the perspective of a Tendai tradition.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TzPFHLWnCK4
>>37801705For a more practical and less scholastic account here is an example from Shin Buddhism with anger.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8kpjJM4xLUQSimilar example from Tibetan Buddhist lojong.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SujYqM9ouskPic is of a book on Chan that focuses on teaching Chan with a big focus on direct hearing and listening.
>>37801705Yes. Wisdom allows one to transmute their desires and direct them towards compassionate and noble behavior. I fell into the trap for a long time of thinking that emptiness was nothing, that I should sever my desires directly, and that nirvana was the cessation of existence. >>37801900Thank you for sharing! It's a lot to watch so I'll plug these into Google Gemini to get a summary. The one about anger looks really interesting to me particularly, I'm just now passing the stage where I want to violently destroy my defilements out of bitterness and rage at the world. I've kind of meandered all over the place through instinct and am just now sitting down to walk through the stages in the intended order.
>>37783664>If it's not Theravada, it's heresy!sādhu anon
>>37794918>you can't get aroundI never made any moral arguments or personal moaning about Buddhists getting replaced, simply used it as it is the argument for Myanmar Buddhists.>one form of violence ok, and the other notBodhicitta, skillful means.>being buddhist inherently makes oneself superiorNo
>>37800413Elaborate
>>37782430I have several honest questions:1. Why is enlightenment worth having?2. Do enlightened beings retain their individuality?3. What do enlightened beings do once they escape the cycle of birth and death? Do they just... exist? In perfect bliss? And nothing else?4. Can an enlightened being choose to take birth again after escaping the cycle? Would they retain their enlightenment if they do so?
>>37782772The Moslems provoked the Buddhists in Myanmar/Burma. Wherever Moslems go, they have problems with their neighbours. Is the whole world in a conspiracy against Moslems or COULD IT BE... their own fault?
>>37800938>All wrong views are fabrications stemming from cravingNot according to this sutta: https://suttacentral.net/an10.61/en/sujato>“Mendicants, I do not see a single thing that gives rise to wrong view, and once arisen, makes it grow like irrational application of mind. When you apply the mind irrationally, wrong view arises, and once arisen it grows.”
>>37783664>If it's not Theravada, it's heresy!I suspect this is more-or-less the case since Theravada is straightforward, evident, with reasoning that can be followed by means of an average intellect (or at least rational intellect) while mahayana seems to obscure and introduce things which do not support themselves or invite investigation as to the basis.
>>37803249That's it.
>>37803289>1. Why is enlightenment worth having?We are immersed in a great dream called life, we are held captive here, engaged in illusions that cause sorrow, lamentation and pain. Enlightenment equals awakening and awakening from this dream means liberation from suffering.>2. Do enlightened beings retain their individuality?Yes, the Buddha had his own unique human qualities.>3. What do enlightened beings do once they escape the cycle of birth and death? Do they just... exist? In perfect bliss? And nothing else?You'll need a more advanced understanding to understand the answer to this question.>4. Can an enlightened being choose to take birth again after escaping the cycle? Would they retain their enlightenment if they do so?Complex topic.
>>37803289>1. Why is enlightenment worth having?Because it sequesters one from what is disagreeable, unlikeable, unpleasant and undesirable as much as possible and brings one into association with that which is agreeable, likeable, pleasant and desirable as much as possible. Enlightenment is described in some suttas, in part and in whole, with the term "unexcelled".>2. Do enlightened beings retain their individuality?Yes. Individuality is intrinsically unloseable. Self-identification is loseable though, I think. >3. What do enlightened beings do once they escape the cycle of birth and death? Do they just... exist? In perfect bliss? And nothing else?Probably move and repose, make sound and silence, etc. Life stuff, but perfectly. I hope you are keeping in mind that there are heavenly realms which are in all ways more excellent, refined and pleasant and peaceful than this earthly realm.
>>37803394>Yes, the Buddha had his own unique human qualities.Was this individuality retained even after he died?I would still like an answer to the last two questions, even if it's complex. If I'm going to dedicate myself to achieving a particular goal, I would have to know what actually awaits me when I achieve it. Just assume I have enough knowledge to understand your answer and I'll do whatever reading I need to make sense of it. Buddhism seems intellectually alluring, but I want to know if it's a worthwhile goal to aim for.
>>37803416I assumed enlightenment transcends all the different realms, including the heavenly realms or even the Pure Lands which are seen as just a stopgap to full enlightenment? The way people describe enlightenment sometimes gives me the impression of a kind of undifferentiated state of bliss rather than some godlike version of our current existence.
>>37803502>I assumed enlightenment transcends all the different realms, including the heavenly realms or even the Pure Lands which are seen as just a stopgap to full enlightenment?That is what the suttas say. >The way people describe enlightenment sometimes gives me the impression of a kind of undifferentiated state of bliss rather than some godlike version of our current existence.However you would describe a place wherein everyone is tending to you as if you were the life of them is probably how you should regard nirvana. But also add absolute natty limit (or natty unlimit) of how you can exist. It's described as unexcelled which means "having no superior or better", so if it unexcelled with regard to self and other you're probably, at least, more correct than you are incorrect.
>>37803462Ah, I think you're talking about the "I", they don't lose it because they never had it, and neither do you and I, and no, they don't lose the ability to perceive themselves or even cease to exist.3.You can imagine them doing what they were doing before, if they had a family they would continue to look after their families, it's just an example.In a perfect state of bliss? I can't say, perhaps the word bliss isn't appropriate..4.You don't necessarily need to be enlightened to do this process. But technically speaking for a fully awakened person, the answer is... I don't know, I have my doubts :)
>>378032891. Enlightenment is freedom within reality. It brings an unbreakable and eternal sense of happiness that can no longer be touched by suffering. While an enlightened being may bleed, may die and rot, the body of an enlightened being is just clothes. They are not there. They are not even human. They have rejoined with Buddha nature.2. Yes.3. They don't. Some establish Pure Lands where other people may reach enlightenment in favorable conditions. Some incarnate into hell realms to save the lost. Some just exist in the bardo between life and death doing nothing. Enlightenment is the ultimate ability to make choices. 4. Yes. An enlightened being that reincarnates has a 'rediscovery' period where they need to train to access their potential. Even a tulku like the Dalai Lama has to re-synchronize their body with the full breadth of their consciousness when they are reborn.
>>37803416A Buddha conventionally has things we unenlightened beings identify as individual but are not. This because the terms we impute towards an individual lack inherent existence on their own. Enlightened beings cease the experience of dukkha and in some sense are unconditioned. Here is a link on the two truths in Theravada.https://studybuddhism.com/en/advanced-studies/abhidharma-tenet-systems/comparison-of-buddhist-traditions/introduction-to-the-two-truths-in-theravadaHere is a more technical Abdhammaic understanding of the two truths in Theravada. More scholar monks in some strands of Theravada will deal with this type of view.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DVbok-OOHUAGeneral Indian Buddhism from an academic standpoint.https://plato.stanford.edu/entries/twotruths-india/https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4kAINspEzI4&t=418sIn Far East Asian Buddhism, the two truths are often more focused on phenomenologically but Huayan and Tiantai traditions do have technical form definitions as well like the above. Here is an example. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hH9PXR_iMyA
Can enlightened beings have a spouse after they are liberated or is that unenlightened behaviour?
>>37803750marriage is part of society and created by householders for householders, so it doesn't add up to being enlightened. Arahants can't have sex too. And it is said that fully enlightened people become bikkhus when there is a sangha or die, probably by suicide because, because they completed the holy life so there's nothing left for them in any realm of life.It's Anagamis who can be lay people.
>>37803289>>37803670>>37803670>>1. Enlightenment is freedom within reality.no, enlightenment is end of suffering by stopping births>>37803416>Yes. Individuality is intrinsically unloseable. Self-identification is loseable though, I think.individuality is fabricated is lost at every birth, there's nothing intrinsic in it, and individuality is just the likes an dislikes and they change even inside 1 life.>>37803670>>3. They don't. Some establish Pure Lands where other people may reach enlightenment in favorable conditions. Some incarnate into hell realms to save the lost. Some just exist in the bardo between life and death doing nothing. Enlightenment is the ultimate ability to make choices.It's impossible for any partially or fully enlightened dude to be reborn in hell. The only way to go to hell for partially or fully enlightenment people is with the mind-made body, which is not a birth.>>37803670>4. Yes. An enlightened being that reincarnates has a 'rediscovery' period where they need to train to access their potential. Even a tulku like the Dalai Lama has to re-synchronize their body with the full breadth of their consciousness when they are reborn.no, all partially enlightened people keep their stage of enlightenment, and they either get fully enlightened before their next birth, or they move up in the realms, birth after birth
>>37803696-it's not up to ajahn cha to define the buddha's teaching-the chariot metaphor has nothing to do wit the two truth doctrine by the mahayana gurus-same thing for the bikkhuni VajiraThe budhda never taught the two truth doctrine by the mahayana gurus. If the buddha plastered the two truth doctrine during his teaching because it's so crucial to get enlightened, then why do you need to seek it in the abidhamma instead of the suttas?
>>37782452We express power over others out of desire. We feel good doing it. This is what we desire. But it is only temporary. We desire it again and again. The desire is endless. But the fullfillment ends. Power is like a drug. Pretty soon you're lashing out just to feel normal--the thrill is gone. Only when you cease desiring will desire no longer hold power over you.
>>37803502>>I assumed enlightenment transcends all the different realms, including the heavenly realms or even the Pure Lands which are seen as just a stopgap to full enlightenment?In buddhism, there is no pure land. the pure ''land'' is the ''pure abodes'' which is just a realm where only partially enlightened people can be reborn. And this indeed is a stopgap.https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pure_AbodeIt has nothing to do with how the Mahayana Pure Land.
>>37804892>how the Mahayana Pure Land.how the Mahayana Pure Land works
>>37804892Very interesting, thank you for the information. But what happens to the fully enlightened ones? Where do they go? Or do they remain in one of these abodes?
>>37804892This discussion wouldn't even exist if the Anons had watched the playlist I posted.
>>37791876iirc you have to do it with correct boddhicitta bc 100K times zero is still zero. put otherwise, without boddhicitta it's only more karma-making.
>>37803289halo fren, i'm going to be a little bit pedantic but whatever, an honest answer for an honest question.1. Is more like realizing than getting it, to be precise. As for the why, idk, why not. I got into buddhism because a meme image was funny to me.2. yeah, enlightened beings are still beings. depends on the tradition, but all can agree that an accomplished individual is singular, it has his or her own personality and such.3. theravadins would say when an arhat dies he remains in a indescribable form, which cannot be 'classified' by language. so is a you know what will happen when you get it.4. this I don't know, but there are the tulkus in the tibetan tradition, maybe your answer could be there.
>>37792595tracker fragment on ur link bra
>>37806213This is true.>>37804831Ajahn Chah did not use the Abhidarmma to get the concept of the two truths.... >>37804892Technically the term for Pure Land is Buddha-kṣetra. It is the domain of a particular Buddha or rather the dharma of a Buddha within which he arises and leads beings to liberation through his teachings. The concept in principle exists in every tradition.
>>37806623Here is an example of the idea in the Pali Canon.SN 55.24 Sarakaani Sutta: Sarakaani (Who Took to Drink)At Kapilavasthu, now at that time Sarakaani the Sakyan, who had died, was proclaimed by the Blessed One to be a Stream-Winner, not subject to rebirth in states of woe, assured of enlightenment. At this, a number of the Sakyans, whenever they met each other or came together in company, were indignant and angry, and said scornfully: "A fine thing, a marvelous thing! Nowadays anyone can become a Stream-Winner, if the Blessed One has proclaimed Sarakaani who died to be Stream-Winner... assured of enlightenment! Why, Sarakaani failed in his training and took to drink!"[Mahaanaama the Sakyan reported this to the Buddha who said:] "Mahaanaama, a lay-follower who has for a long time taken refuge in the Buddha, the Dhamma and the Sangha — how could he go to states of woe? [And this can be truly said of Sarakaani the Sakyan.] How could he go to states of woe?
>>37806628"Mahaanaama, take the case of a man endowed with unwavering devotion to the Buddha, declaring 'He is the Blessed One...,' the Dhamma... the Sangha... He is joyous and swift in wisdom, one who has gained release. By the destruction of the cankers he has by his own realization gained the cankerless heart's release, the release through wisdom, in this very life, and abides in it. The man is entirely released from the hell-state, from rebirth as an animal, he is free from the realm of hungry ghosts, fully freed from the downfall, the evil way, from states of woe."Take the case of another man. He is endowed with unwavering devotion to the Buddha... the Dhamma... the Sangha... he is joyous and swift in wisdom but has not gained release. Having destroyed the five lower fetters, he is reborn spontaneously where he will attain Nibbaana without returning from that world. That man is entirely released from... states of woe."Take the case of another man. He is endowed with unwavering devotion to the Buddha, the Dhamma, the Sangha. But he is not joyous in wisdom and has not gained release. Yet by destroying three fetters and weakening lust, hatred and delusion, he is a Once-returner, who will return once more to this world and put an end to suffering. That man is entirely freed from... states of woe."Take the case of another man. He is endowed with unwavering devotion to the Buddha, the Dhamma, the Sangha. But he is not joyous in wisdom and has not gained release. Yet by destroying three fetters he is a Stream-Winner, not subject to rebirth in states of woe, assured of enlightenment. That man is entirely freed... from states of woe.
yeah the alcoholic who becomes a streamwinner is pretty funny
>>37806631"Take the case of another man. He is not even endowed with unwavering devotion to the Buddha, the Dhamma, the Sangha. He is not joyous and swift in wisdom and has not gained release. But perhaps he has these things: the faculty of faith, of energy, of mindfulness, of concentration, of wisdom. And the things proclaimed by the Tathaagata are moderately approved by him with insight. That man does not go to the realm of hungry ghosts, to the downfall, to the evil way, to states of woe."Take the case of another man. He is not even endowed with unwavering devotion to the Buddha, the Dhamma, the Sangha. He is not joyous and swift in wisdom and has not gained release. But he has just these things: the faculty of faith, of energy, of mindfulness, of concentration, of wisdom. Yet if he has merely faith, merely affection for the Tathaagata, that man, too, does not go to... states of woe."Why, Mahaanaama, if these great sal trees could distinguish what is well spoken from what is ill spoken, I would proclaim these great sal trees to be Stream-Winners... bound for enlightenment, how much more so then Sarakaani the Sakyan! Mahaanaama, Sarakaani the Sakyan fulfilled the training at the time of death.'
I should also point out that there are also multiple world systems in Theravada too. It is most evident in Cambodian Theravada. However, generally the idea is not relevant to most practices. Here is an example from a Apadana Pali Texthttps://archive.org/details/bclawvolume035338mbp/page/186/mode/2up?view=theater
>>37806623>>Ajahn Chah did not use the Abhidarmma to get the concept of the two truths....Good, then find tons of suttas with the two truth doctrine>>37806628so where is the Buddha-kṣetra in this sutta
>>37806669Here are two examples. “Where name-&-form,along with perceptionof impingement & form,totally stop without trace:that’s where the tangleis cut.”—SN 7.6The first step in cutting the tangle is to categorize in reality what is conventional and what is ultimate. This stated for example in the sutta below.Cūḷasuññatasutta—Bhikkhu Sujatohttps://suttacentral.net/mn121/en/sujato?lang=en&layout=plain&reference=none¬es=asterisk&highlight=false&script=latin>>37806669The idea is right here. It is not a place. It is on the way to enlightenment. See pic of related academic text describing this in detail. Pure Land Buddhism in India," translated by Taitetsu Unno, in James Foard, Michael Solomon, and Richard K . Payne, eds. from The Pure Land Berkeley Buddhist Studies Series . Basically whenever you recall the qualities of a Buddha, the Dharma or Sangha and kleshas are removed you are in the field."But perhaps he has these things: the faculty of faith, of energy, of mindfulness, of concentration, of wisdom. And the things proclaimed by the Tathaagata are moderately approved by him with insight. That man does not go to the realm of hungry ghosts, to the downfall, to the evil way, to states of woe."Take the case of another man. He is not even endowed with unwavering devotion to the Buddha, the Dhamma, the Sangha. He is not joyous and swift in wisdom and has not gained release. But he has just these things: the faculty of faith, of energy, of mindfulness, of concentration, of wisdom. Yet if he has merely faith, merely affection for the Tathaagata, that man, too, does not go to... states of woe."Why, Mahaanaama, if these great sal trees could distinguish what is well spoken from what is ill spoken, I would proclaim these great sal trees to be Stream-Winners... bound for enlightenment, how much more so then Sarakaani the Sakyan! Mahaanaama, Sarakaani the Sakyan fulfilled the training at the time of death.'
Here is another example. It is the Rebirth by Choice Sutta. Basically cultivation of aspiration leads to purification. https://suttacentral.net/mn120/en/sujato?lang=en&layout=plain&reference=none¬es=asterisk&highlight=false&script=latin
>>37806758>>37806758>>The idea is right here. It is not a place. It is on the way to enlightenment.the buddha never denied that begin good at meditation doesn't get you higher in the life realms. And this has nothing to do with the The Pure Land of the mahayanists.>>37806758>>Here are two examples.where are the two truth in those two suttasthe SN7,6 doesn't speak about this and the MN121 and MN122 explain what the meditation on emptiness is about, and here again it's not like the emptiness in Mahayana
To understand this, you start with the goal of buddhism, which is to eradicate suffering at all cost. Now it turns out it's possible and it turns out to end suffering forever is done thru ''gnosis'' ie 'rigth knowledge'' ie ''insights'' ie ''wisdom''.The major point of the Budhda is that the jhanas are cool and all, but they only reduce drastically suffering. It's a huge result by itself, and 99% of all the humans who ever lived will be happy with just that, if they ever get it, but meditation is not enough when strictly speaking the goal is to cut off suffering like a ''palm stump''.
>>37806801If there was no model of two truths, there is no point in saying the self is empty and statements about the various things like infinite expanses. >>37806801I think you should just watch the academic lectures posted earlier. I don't think you understand the Pure Land in Mahayana. Basically, it is being in the presence of the dharma which is the Buddha. As a practice as in what people think of when they think Pure Land Buddhism, it basically amounts to aspiration to be in the presence of a Buddha that purifies you by honing in on them qualities of a Buddha.This is why it is mainly connected with Anussati practices in various traditions. Pic of a book that describes in general the ideas.
>>37784429Go for a walkListen to your thoughts and desires and understand where they're coming fromThe more you learn about yourself the easier life will getDo not let difficulties get in the way of doing what you are internally driven to do. Pleasure and displeasure should feel the same to you attempt to become disspasionate with these things (I don't really know how to do it persay but I've heard once you meditate a lot it becomes a lot easier that and the other things the buddha taught)Go for another walk
>>37806636Is it possible?
>>37806855>self is emptywhere did the buddha said this.The budhda never said ''there's a self and it's empty'', what the buddha says over and over is ''the aggregates are empty of a self''>>37806855>I don't think you understand the Pure Land in MahayanaPure land is a buddha field and there 's none of this in the sutta. There's 'buddha-realm'' in the apadana you posted, but taking the apadana seriously to define buddhism is preposterous.Buddhanussati is fine as a practice to remove fear and purify the mind. Doesn't mean it's pure land.
>>37806969yeah of course. literally everybody can reach stream entry as long as they follow the path, that's the promise of the buddha. And the stream entry is not really supposed to require an excellent meditative practice. Even sariputta managed to reach it hearing ''when this arises, that arises'' Stream entry is possible for the people inclined on insight.the sutta is herehttps://www.accesstoinsight.org/tipitaka/sn/sn55/sn55.024.wlsh.htmland pyan tan has his analysis here(he's a famous teacher for lay people)https://www.themindingcentre.org/dharmafarer/wp-content/uploads/2021/11/3.6-Sarakani-S-1-s55.24-piya.pdf
>>37806855>51QswML09GL._SY445_SX342I'm reading this and the author says right at the beginning pure land is only part of mahayana.>THE BUDDHA AMITĀBHA>First, why does this practice center on a buddha other than the historical buddha Śākyamuni? The answer begins with one of the innovations of Mahayana Buddhism: the redefinition of the goal of nirvana.>The word nirvana points to the state of a fire that has gone out. The Buddha often described our present world as a house on fire, and living beings as burning up with passions. To achieve the goal of Buddhist practice meant to “cool down” and put out these flames of suffering. However, later Buddhist thinkers such as the composers of a text called The Questions of King Milinda went further and compared living beings themselves to flames. Like a flame, we are not things or objects; we are self-perpetuating processes like fire. While such a teaching may help sort out some philosophical questions about the nature of the self, it leaves one crucial question dangling: If we are like flames, and if achieving nirvana means to put out the flame, then does anyone remain to be liberated after enlightenment? Despite Buddhism’s constant reassurances that the state of nirvana was one of peace, bliss, and the end of all suffering, a strong impression remained that the achievement of nirvana amounted to self-annihilation.
>>37807713>Mahayana Buddhists countered this by denying that nirvana equaled extinction. Instead, they claimed that buddhas achieved such great wisdom that they thoroughly understood the workings of reality and could control their own fates within it. Early Mahayana texts such as the Lotus Sūtra went out of their way to explain that buddhas do not just “blink out” of existence, nor do they abide beyond the reach of followers who need their help. Instead, they can manifest where needed to render assistance to those still suffering. Another Mahayana text, Nāgārjuna’s Root Stanzas on the Middle Way (Mulamadhyamaka-kārikā), asserted that because of this, nirvana and samsara (the realms of rebirth and suffering) were coextensive. Thus, a buddha and an ordinary person could both be in the same place, but it would manifest to the buddha as nirvana, while for the ordinary being it remains samsara. The difference is not in the place, but in the mind.>While this move made the Buddhist goal more attractive, it had the additional effect of multiplying the potential number of buddhas in the cosmos at any one time. Under the older scheme, when a buddha reached final nirvana, he was simply gone, a point emphasized by the long-standing refusal to depict the Buddha in art. Following this event, our world might not see another buddha for perhaps hundreds of eons. People who wished to practice in the presence of a buddha could only aspire to be reborn with Maitreya, a bodhisattva who would become the next buddha, and try to stay with him in all future lives until he achieved buddhahood. But if buddhas do not go into extinction after all but remain in the world to continue helping ordinary beings, then every buddha of the infinite past was potentially still around.
>>37787602One must go outside to hear the dharma, or the sound of rain upon a straw roof.
Two extremes, nihilism and eternalism, two gateways, a single goal, which is beyond the extremes and any interaction between them.>>37807022 Thank you.
>(Kārikā 1) Buddhahood has been spoken of as being radiant by nature, [However] as being covered with the net of the multitude of clouds, In the form of [obstructions on account of] defilements And knowable things which are of accidental nature, Just as the sun and the sky [are often interrupted by clouds Though they are radiant and immaculate, respectively]; This Buddhahood is now eternal, everlasting and constant, Being endowed with all the pure properties of the Buddha, And is attained when the elements [of existence] take resort To the Non-discriminative and Analytical Wisdom. || 3 ||Mahayana brahmins deeply believe that buddhahood is the eternal true self, exactly like the luminous awareness is the eternal true self in Hinduism.
Several questions, I consider myself to be a Western mystic, and heavily rooted in golden dawn, but practice zazen meditation before rituals. But I had a series of visions while in a trance recently where I was visited by a being claiming to be 'the coming buddha'1. Who the fuck is Meitreya?2. What is a Dharma?3. Do we 'need' a Dharma4. Why does the Dharma need to be destroyed?5. What happens if we break it
>>37782461Hitler has broken free from Samsara
>>37808995good questions but i think you know the first and fifth but the middle three are tricky
>>37808995>golden dawnJewish demon worship. Those energies won't simply let you go but fight to keep you. Expect deception and suffering while breaking free from it.
>>37809024Im under the impression that this dude in my vision was him. Just didnt know if there was good info about him.And I genuinely have no clue about the 5th one.
>>37808995The masters tend to appear with fulfilling serene joy or bliss, deceivers have no hope of imitating this, the best they can do is hollow false light joy.
>>37809045its a process of sped up self obliteration or annihilation by invoking those powers. My inner order work has involved me blending elements from Khemetic, Kaballah, Sufism, Paganism, Druid, Rosa Crucian, and Christian Mysticism in general. Outer order shit like you are talking about is designed to keep retards out, and for good reason.
>>37809143Some of the greatest feelings of calm I have ever felt. Was like a perfect stillness, the flow of my blood was unnoticeable, the beat of my heart, the energy around me, the firing of my neurons. Everything entered absolute stillness, even the air and light seemed to stop moving in his pressence.
>>37809181Was it deeply fulfilling rather than just magical and charming joy? Did you feel more complete?
>>378089951. Maitreya is an enlightened being and one of the historical Buddha, Gautama Siddhartha's, students. The Buddha, possessing perfect knowledge / omniscience, was able to inform the world that Maitreya will be the next human to progress from Bodhisattva to Buddha.2. Dharma has multiple meanings. It can refer to the fundamental principles of the universe, the purpose that a given being or object has, or the teachings of the Buddha.3. Yes. The Dharma is the only effective path to eliminating suffering and severing the cycle of rebirth.4. The Dharma is empty and dynamic, like all things, and goes through cycles of growth and decay. The decay of the Dharma is necessary. It's very interesting that you would be advised to destroy the Dharma, and I guarantee you will spiritually progress quite well if you attempt to follow Maitreya's instructions. That instruction has outcomes you can't comprehend yet.5. Even if all the words and meanings of the Dharma teachings are completely destroyed they will naturally arise again in another place and time. In attempting to destroy the Dharma you will overcome many illusions about it. After all, what does it mean to destroy truth and purpose? What is left over if those are gone?
>>37809585>aaaa i need to explain before showing upngmi https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cLfQmPNFZXQKASH
>>37809164Sounds better. I haven't seen anyone truly succeed with what you describe. One issue is not knowing when you have failed, what appears as progress can be manipulation.
>>37809485I felt as if disparate parts of my being that were in conflict are no longer in conflict. It was Euphoric but in a slow steady trickle. Like I could sit under that dripping water in a small stream but more profound than anything I have felt before.>>37809585When I was visited by the being claiming to be the coming buddha, he made mention that the current understanding of dharma must fully be removed from the collective psyche before he may come to earth. suppose it could mean the destruction of the old understandings?>>37809763and yeah, its designed to keep those who would seek power out. Only those who would earnestly seek to help their fellow man in all things may progress into the inner order.
Is breathwork a must if one wants to break free from this misery that he is living in? If yes should I just train deep slow breathing and that's all?
>>37810128alternate nostril breathing, heavy vocalization OHMEEN to where you feel the vibration coursing up your body with each vocalization, and breathe of fire.
>>37810128>Is breathwork a mustNo it's simply the greatest ally.>should I just train deep slow breathing and that's all?Absolutely not, sense what feels the best in the moment and test different ways to breath. No matter how you breath it's a known and effective style.Try breath of fire, holding lungs empty 20 seconds or more repeatedly, breathing cycles that take half a minute or more, intuitive breathing, detaching yourself from breath and observing it.
>>37809921>more profound than anything I have felt before.Sounds good, no reason to doubt your experience.>its designed to keep those who would seek power out.A purposefully mutilated system, mainly serving as a distraction. When it comes to taking the steps of enlightenment it's safe to ignore all Jewish systems.
Buddhism is correct however I do not practice it, I just do vipassana meditation because it deletes any condition near instantly. I know Buddhism is literally endgame for tired reincarnations however I still want to experience things. Might obliveriate myself when I'm old but now I'm taking it slow, do not know if I reach nirvana but those meditations work. I'm putting myself out of confront zone trying all kinds of things and then I apply vipassana. Girlfriend broke up with me I felt sad as fuck then I looked into what I am feeling and it instantly dissapeared. Observer really deletes everything. However I can't vipassanize being honry but that might be becuse i want to be. Anyway there is no rush for me if I won't suceed this life then in million others I might
>>37804739>Arahants can't have sex too.Proof? >inb4 a sutta that says "in the village way"What, exactly, is the village way?
>>37803750An enlightened being is perfect
>>37804772>individuality is fabricated is lost at every birth, there's nothing intrinsic in it, and individuality is just the likes an dislikes and they change even inside 1 life.All of that is wrong. If you believe that then why not believe that all beings are essentially one being with no fundamental distinction, like those who believe that all beings are just emanations of Atman, fated to live and die until Atman is sated or bored and then, seeking novelty, does it again.
>>37782452your values with this mindset all exist only in relation to other things and thus rely on the external to be content, so how could this ever be spirituality
>>37782468>Buddhism is for egomaniacs to feel good about themselvesCorrect! It is a spiritual practice that (among other things) presents avenues for people with the flaw of egomania to pursue change
>>37804835>Pretty soon you're lashing out just to feel normal--the thrill is gone.Or, before that, you die, arrive in the estate of "those who exercise power over others to their exclusive benefit/happiness" (hell) and you see the fruit of such action.
>>37810632And the drawback
>>37805521>Where do they go? Or do they remain in one of these abodes?They go to the abode where only the perfect can abide. I have met beings who reside in worlds (heavenly) other than earth.
>>37806213Acting like watching a playlist and posting a question and waiting for a directed answer by another are equivalent with respect to effort is crazy.
>>37806758>"Take the case of another man. He is not even endowed with unwavering devotion to the Buddha, the Dhamma, the Sangha. He is not joyous and swift in wisdom and has not gained release. But he has just these things: the faculty of faith, of energy, of mindfulness, of concentration, of wisdom. Yet if he has merely faith, merely affection for the Tathaagata, that man, too, does not go to... states of woe.I don't believe that
>>37806855>If there was no model of two truths, there is no point in saying the self is emptyHmm
>>37810128Relevant suttas for all they are worth: https://www.dhammatalks.org/suttas/SN/SN47_38.htmlhttps://www.dhammatalks.org/suttas/MN/MN10.html
>>37803750Of course, I don't know any married enlightened people but life long loves are normal.Enlightenment doesn't come with limitations, everything you do now is possible after enlightenment.People like to find enlightened people as powerless and above all human actions, they are projecting both fears and misaligned ideals.>I can't find enlightenment but I can fuck and get married
How do I break free from my own limiting beliefs and experiences so I can live a happy life now?
>>37803750An enlightened being always does exactly what is appropriate, which may or may not be anything
>>37810137>>37810237>>37810809Thank you.
>>37809921> When I was visited by the being claiming to be the coming buddha, he made mention that the current understanding of dharma must fully be removed from the collective psyche before he may come to earth. suppose it could mean the destruction of the old understandings?Yes. Human understanding of the Dharma is highly corrupted, as are all world religions. It's almost impossible to reach enlightenment sifting through all the sectarian quibbling, poor translations, and hallucinations. The gurus beat and rape their students. The lay people worship golden idols. Humanity's understanding of the truth needs a radical wildfire to sweep through it and burn these corrupted notions to the ground. The signs for Maitreya's coming are certainly strong in the modern age: moral degeneration, social unrest, and environmental ddecay. The signs of his coming Golden Age are also possible in modern times though: abundant resources, increased lifespans, and corruption-resistant copies of books, images, and videos.
>>37810872complete your thoughts. when something jumps in your mind think about it more deeply. gratitude will make anything bad seem meaningless.
>>37810872do morality, mindfulness and jhanas>>37810866>>Enlightenment doesn't come with limitations, everything you do now is possible after enlightenment.no that's falseThe Nine things an Arahant cannot do: Store up possessions Intentionally kill any form of life Steal Perform sexual intercourse Tell a deliberate lie Act improperly out of desire Act improperly out of ill-will Act improperly out of delusion Act improperly out of fear(from Anguttara Nikaya 9.7)Not because he/she is unable, but because there is no longer the interest. The Arahant acts in accordance to the four Brahma Viharas (Anguttara Nikaya 9.7). Not doing sexual intercourse applies to non-returners too (Anguttara Nikaya 6.63).
>>37810592>All of that is wrong. If you believe that then why not believe that all beings are essentially one being with no fundamental distinction, like those who believe that all beings are just emanations of Atman, fated to live and die until Atman is sated or bored and then, seeking novelty, does it again.it's fact that likes and dislikes change over even 1 life. And materially a human changes over 1 life too.
The Buddhist universe consists of thirty-one planes of existence (see chart below). Every being lives on one or another of these planes. After death all beings, except the arahants, will be reborn in a realm and under circumstances that accords with their kamma — their volitional actions of body, speech, and mind made in that existence or in any previous one. We will often refer to this chart to indicate where, in the cosmic hierarchy, the deities we meet come from.Thirty-one Planes of Existence Four planes of the Immaterial Brahma Realm: (31) Plane of Neither Perception-nor-non-Perception (30) Plane of Nothingness (29) Plane of Infinite Consciousness (28) Plane of Infinite Space Sixteen planes of the Fine Material Brahma Realm: 7 Fourth Jhana Planes: 5 Pure Abodes: (27) Highest (Akanittha) (26) Clear Sighted (Sudassi) (25) Beautiful (Sudassa) (24) Serene (Atappa) (23) Durable (Aviha) (22) Non-percipient, matter only, no mind (21) Great Fruit 3 Third Jhana Planes: (20) Third Jhana, highest degree (19) Third Jhana, medium degree (18) Third Jhana, minor degree 3 Second Jhana Planes: (17) Second Jhana, highest degree (Abhassara) (16) Second Jhana, medium degree (15) Second Jhana, minor degree 3 First Jhana Planes: (14) First Jhana, Maha Brahmas (13) First Jhana, Brahma's ministers (12) First Jhana, Brahma's retinue
>>37813228 Eleven planes of the Sensuous Realm : Seven Happy Sensuous Planes: Six Deva planes: (11) Control others' creations (10) Rejoice in their own creations (9) Tusita — Delightful Plane (8) Yama (7) Realm of the Thirty-three (6) Catummaharajika — 4 Great Kings (5) Human Beings Four Lower Realms of Woe: (4) Ghosts (3) Asuras (2) Animal realm (1) Hell realmsThe lowest area (planes 1-11) is called the sensuous realm; here sense experience predominates. Next comes the fine-material realm (12-27) attained by practicing the fine-material absorptions (rupa-jhanas). Above that is the immaterial realm (28-31) attained by practicing the immaterial absorptions (arupa-jhanas).Although humans appear to be rather low on the scale, many intelligent deities long for rebirth on the human plane. Why? Because the best opportunity to practice the Dhamma and attain liberation is right here on earth. On the lower four planes, little progress can be made as suffering is gross and unrelenting and the opportunity to perform deeds of merit is rarely gained. The very bliss of the higher planes beclouds the universal characteristics of all phenomena: impermanence, unsatisfactoriness, and the lack of any lasting, controlling self. And without fully comprehending these principles, there is no motivation to develop the detachment from the world that is essential to liberation.https://www.accesstoinsight.org/lib/authors/jootla/wheel414.html
>>37812421Can you give an example? Let's say that a thought comes in my mind about how I was mistreated by another person and I feel fear and hate about what I lived.How can I think more deeply about it? How can I let gratitude in this situation?
Lots of links in the post, I'll save the thread and take a look, read everything calmly. Until the next thread. Thanks to everyone and merits to all!
>>37813179That's full of shit.
