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>>37787149
Previous thread >>37717336

>>37787149
If Jesus came back and told you this was all nonsense do you think you'd be mad or happy?

>>37787157
If it's nonsense why did Saint John focus on it so much?
It'd just accept the fact, in your hypothetical scenario

>>37787168
Maybe he was crazy

>>37787354
I'd need a mental health professional from the 1st Century AD to confirm that for me

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Do you know any way that allows a catholic layman to "Say Mass". so far the only think I could find about this, is:
>https://thavmapub.com/2019/01/18/can-a-layperson-say-mass/
he says "no" BUT:
>Now, Mike Sententia on his old “Magick of Thought” blog claims it’s possible to hack initiatory systems by “aligning to the system’s signature.” While I rather like Sententia’s work and especially his analogies to computer programming, this isn’t a technique I’ve tried and have neither need nor desire to attempt. In the case of “hacking” holy orders, it’s not a path I recommend as there are easier ways to go about this.
>https://magickofthought.com/2010/12/how-to-hack-a-system/
Which says:
>When you connect to a system, it follows that connection back to your mind.
>When the system traces your translation connection, it adds that signature shift to its connection. (See the Technical Note at the bottom for why).
>When you trace a connection, you’re tracing each signature shift that happens along the way. If you don’t, your connection winds up with a different signature than the one you’re tracing, and you won’t see the connection (or the thing it leads to) clearly. This is why the system’s connection takes on your signature shift when it traces your translation connection.
Pic semi-related.

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>>37778801
>The organ of the spirit, or the principal center of spiritual life, is the heart; here again the Hesychast doctrine is in perfect accord with the teaching of every other initiatic tradition. But what is more important from the standpoint of spiritual realization is the teaching of Hesychasm on the means of perfecting the natural participation of the human microcosm in the divine Metacosm, that is, the transmutation of this participation into supernatural participation and finally into union and identity: this means consists in the “inward prayer” or “Prayer of Jesus”. This “prayer” surpasses in principle all the virtues in excellence, for it is a divine act in us and for that reason the best of all possible acts. It is only by means of this prayer that the creature can be really united with his Creator; the goal of this prayer is consequently the supreme spiritual state, in which man transcends everything pertaining to the creature and, being directly united with the Divinity, is enlightened by the divine Light. This supreme state is “holy silence”, symbolized by the black color given to certain Virgins.

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>>37787862
Rosa d’abril, Morena de la serra,
de Montserrat estel:
il·lumineu la catalana terra,
guieu-nos cap al Cel.

Thanks for posting her, I think she's the sole reason the catalan culture still exists and it's sad to see some people turning their backs on her. May she bless you as much as she's blessed my people.

>>37788476
Thank you.

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"Do you know what my only competitive advantage is? The fact that I believe in the end of the world and that matter is an illusion. Therefore, the end of the world is deliverance."

-Daria Dugina


https://pravpublishing.com/eschatological-optimism/

https://fastupload.io/en/ZtaXkC5pR82u9Ua/file

https://annas-archive.org/md5/ee776f33af937d2fb86acd4605c7edb6

https://1lib.sk/book/27494028/30a7d8/eschatological-optimism.html

https://1lib.sk/ireader/27494028

https://unherd.com/2024/04/the-scandals-haunting-pope-francis/
Evil thinks it can feel content in this world, with basically every major institution being devoted to the worship of the Enemy. What they don't know is that a long time ago our endlessly beneficent Lord planted a vine, and they will be far from the first boars slain for trampling it.

>>37788634
I think they're being overly dramatic about Francis' supposed ire against trads. He rightfully calls out rigid legalism and emphasizes the mercy of the Gospel. Whether he believes that or not is hard to tell tbf, but it is what he says. He has a more informal style and talks about his days as a young priest in training being annoyed with scholastic stuff then too.
Another thing is the Latin masses that Benedict allowed were for older communities that couldn't adjust. Not for young Protestant converts and identarians to start larping as templars. They ruin things for otherwise quiet people.

>>37788634
Good article. I guess it's hard for people outside the faith to understand why we still believe and support the church despite all its corruption but it's understandable.
>>37788768
>They ruin things for otherwise quiet people.
Yeah, they can be just as annoying as the liberals they hate so much. It's no different than the whole republican vs democrat debacle.

>>37788634
Excellent article.

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Don't lose sight what is actively opposing you. Our fight is against Fallen Angels and other Demonic Spirits.

>>37787424
Modern health professionals have analysed Jesus' sanity. There's opinions from both sides here
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mental_health_of_Jesus

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>Modern health professionals

>>37789020
Amen.

>>37789020
My parents put me in a hospital because I said I heard God's voice.
I didn't want to talk to any doctors. I was annoyed and a bit angry about it all. Over time, this shrink invaded my room and invited himself in to have a session. His first question was trying to get me to tell him how much I masturbated. lol. Told him to get the hell out. Pretty much put my foot down for 3 weeks until the insurance ran out and it wasted everyone's time and my parent's money.

>>37789144
Nothing wrong with hearing God's voice.

>>37789193
I forgive my parents now and I'm not angry at all. But they'll understand in time. My dad passed away and I'm sure he already was told I was telling the truth.

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Put on the Full Armor of God to Resist the Wiles of the Devil. Resist the Devil and he will flee from you. The Devil tempts, seduces, provokes, watches with one eye, and prowls seeking someone to devour. Satan fell the hardest from Heaven out of all of the fallen angels. He fell as lightning. Satan was the first being in creation to sin. Michael and his angels overcame the devil by the Blood of the Lamb and the Word of their Testimony, and they loved not their lives unto the death. This means that angels became disembodied, an equivalent of death, or is death, during the war in Heaven. Michael and his angels received direct support from Christ. In the Book of Enoch, when an angel said Holy, Holy, Holy the wrong way, God disembodied that angel and its spirit remained in the presence of God. There were mounds angelic body remains in Heaven. It would be an honor to receive an angelic weapon that can disembody a fallen angel. The Principalities and Powers betrayed God and gave their authority over the earth to Satan. This is the reason Christ will conquer the earth when he returns in force. Satans behavior with his offspring is similar to that of the god Saturn/Chronos. When he sleeps with a goddess, he waits for the offspring to be born before devouring it, since he tolerates no rivals. The gods of old are real, and they got a head-start against the Bible. Pagan traditions have deep roots in Christianity, spawning from the Roman Empire. The Devil has lead many people astray, those who don't bother reading the Bible and think they will be saved for going to church every Sunday. You will be rewarded for staying strong and faithful during hard times, overcoming temptation and tribulation. Your labor will be rewarded, you will have your portion, just as it feels good when you accomplish something. We should be rejoicing at the fact that God is the Most High. The armies of the world will only be able to get in position before Christ smites them with the sword of his mouth.

>>37789463
>armor of God
Fake news. What will your armor of God do when you get shot? Nothing. Ur retarded and Jesus is fake news

>>37789020
kek

>>37789002
Where those professionals with him during the 1st Century?
No?
Their opinion is useless
>>37789020
Lol

>>37790576
The Armor of God is to resist the deceptions of the devil.
Isaiah 54:17 - No weapon formed against thee shall prosper.

>>37790576
Get your head out of the gutter, materialist.
>For we do not wrestle against flesh and blood, but against principalities, against powers, against the rulers of the darkness of this age, against spiritual hosts of wickedness in the heavenly places.-Ephesians 6:12

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Picrel. Simultaneously the cheesiest and most based album cover of all time.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C6zovYEZs5g

>>37791865
Great track.

>“Teacher, we saw someone who does not follow us casting out demons in Your name, and we forbade him because he does not follow us.”
>But Jesus said, “Do not forbid him, for no one who works a miracle in My name can soon afterward speak evil of Me. For he who is not against us is on our side.-Mark 9:38-40

>Now when He was asked by the Pharisees when the kingdom of God would come, He answered them and said, “The kingdom of God does not come with observation; nor will they say, ‘See here!’ or ‘See there!’ For indeed, the kingdom of God is within you.”-Luke 17:20-21
Have a good Sunday frens.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UyDUxmklXYg

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What do guys think of the Chi-Rho? Is it a proper symbol? I use picrel as bookplates, but no wonder if I could use a different one. I don't exactly like Constantine tbqh. I like his mother, but the emperor himself seemed kind of nasty, on top of being more Arian than orthodox.

>>37793206
now wonder*

>>37793206
It is a legitimate and very 'powerful' symbol, as it's one of the many depictions of the name of God,

>>37793206
He was a much better introduction to Christianity than someone like Clovis. God governs the world in an organic way, sometimes we just have to be happy when He gently nudges things in the right direction. Asking for Heaven on Earth overnight is a bit much.

>>37787149
>Go online to find Christian Traditionalist books
>Barely anything by Wolfgang Smith is available
>Barely anything by Jean Hani is available
Thanks again for the guy here who uploaded his translations
>Barely anything by Jean Borella is available
>Barely anything by Olavo de Carvalho is available
I wonder why there are so few online

>>37794470
Because it's a fringe subject, most christians never even heard of it and in esoteric circles christianity is treated with disregard

>>37793206
>Is it a proper symbol?
It's been used for so long you don't even need to worry about it

>>37793206
https://youtu.be/9U5hpMligic?si=_NaMkSGS09fL2--R&t=245

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rfN67C9XLCM

>>37787149
Videos on Gnosis, its various types (SPG, UPG & VPG) and Gnosticism:

https://youtu.be/0F7knBtLsNs
https://youtu.be/260L-DEZVQ0
https://youtu.be/diHf_Tup6tE

>>37794890
I've found some crazy shit on Anna's Archive, a shame Christian Esotericism is even more obscure than that

>>37799218
Is this yours? Did you make this?

>>37799224
No.

>>37799248
Ah. Thanks for sharing anyways.

>>37799258
Thank you.

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>At her first confinement she became the mother of Macrina. When the due time came for her pangs to be ended by delivery, she fell asleep and seemed to be carrying in her hands that which was still in her womb. And some one in form and raiment more splendid than a human being appeared and addressed the child she was carrying by the name of Thecla, that Thecla, I mean, who is so famous among the virgins. After doing this and testifying to it three times, he departed from her sight and gave her easy delivery, so that at that moment she awoke from sleep and saw her dream realised. Now this name was used only in secret. But it seems to me that the apparition spoke not so much to guide the mother to a right choice of name, as to forecast the life of the young child, and to indicate by the name that she would follow her namesake's mode of life.

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Some people do not like him but I like Jay Dyer. I have learned a lot about theology, philosophy, and globalist conspiracies from him.
Also I finished reading Saint Maximus the Confessor!

>>37799844
I like his wife more. She's a sweetheart. And he's a lucky dog. Or blessed, I should say.

I just want to be a Protestant who loves Mary and the saints and art and beauty and the mystics. Is that so wrong?

>>37800158
No problem.

>>37789002
i'm a tourist to this general, but i'll be honest i have a hard time believing that anyone would bother recording the works or story of jesus if he was just some levantine schizo rambling in the streets of gallilee

>>37799844
Cute cat
And that's good
>>37800158
Anglicanism?

>>37800242
That's the only other option he leaves for people. He is either who he says he is, or a madman. But nothing in between.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bxzuh5Xx5G4

>>37800245
>Anglicanism
maybe, maybe...

>>37800468
I only pity Jews. It's a curse to not have any conception of your own crimes or ever being wrong about anything. That is not a blessing.

>>37800258
There's Lutheranism as well but they venerate the Saints and Mary in their own way
>>37800359
They're legit but their name is terrible
>>37800468
>Antisemitism in the Bible
But i thought the Bible was a Jewish Psyop!
And why should there be no trigger warnings for Christophobia in the Quran?

>>37800516
>There's Lutheranism as well but they venerate the Saints and Mary in their own way
Yes. Like I've said in other threads: I especially love the Pietists. Wesley included, who was Anglican himself, but influenced by Moravians.
I love everyone, don't get me wrong. I'm just not a follower of priests or think they have any exclusive power to call down Christ and the Holy Spirit. I know they don't. I've seen plenty happen without them. He works regardless of what anyone tells him to do and where he wants to. He is God. We are not.

>>37800620
Caveat: Some of the priests of yesteryear were insane. Or being brought up in seminary with insane doctrines. At least V2 knows there's a community involved and we are all one under Christ. Trads think it is worse, but it a bigger improvement on this type of blasphemy:
>When the priest announces the tremendous words of consecration, he reaches up into the heavens, brings Christ down from His throne, and places Him upon our altar to be offered up again as the Victim for the sins of man. It is a power greater than that of saints and angels, greater than that of Seraphim and Cherubim.
>Indeed it is greater even than the power of the Virgin Mary. While the Blessed Virgin was the human agency by which Christ became incarnate a single time, the priest brings Christ down from heaven, and renders Him present on our altar as the eternal Victim for the sins of mannot once but a thousand times! The priest speaks and lo! Christ, the eternal and omnipotent God, bows his head in humble obedience to the priests command.-Fr. John O'Brien "The Faith of Millions"

>>37800674
That is pretty much heretical. The priest is acting in the person of Christ, he does nothing of himself and this was understood since always.

>>37800723
I'm aware. Even Trent seemed to use "re-presenting Calvary" language like Vatican 2. But somewhere along the way, there were teachings emphasizing the Mass as a sacrifice in and of itself, as if Jesus was being made the Victim constantly. And the natural conclusion led to blowhards like that priest. For a weak person, it could really mess with their minds that they have some sort of power that great.
I don't mean anything bad about how the Mass is usually taught though.

>>37800158
What's so great about being a Protestant?

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>>37800773
Freedom to call on Christ without some guy playing goalie on the fairway jumping in front of my golf putts.

>>37800486
If you've seen that movie where Ryan Gosling plays a Jewish Nazi he calls them "essentially female" which isn't even wrong, all of the vices associated with Jewry are essentially feral expressions of femininity. Feminism itself exists because dissolute women today want to reap all of the rewards of society without being told they have any moral obligations or are responsible for their own actions. Jewry is just racialized feminism. Much as evil women can only get what they want by manipulating weak men, so too can the Yid only expand his dominion by manipulating a weak host-nation.

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>>37800620
Have you tried looking for Pietist groups in your area?
>>37800773
NTA but it's very pretty, in it's own way

>>37800620
>>37800794
Amen.

>>37800794
So basically the same irreverent "fuck you dad" attitude to authority that caused Christianity to plummet in the first place.
>>37800809
>NTA but it's very pretty, in it's own way
The aesthetics of Northern Europeans are totally compatible with Roman-Catholicism. The Church can sometimes be a little too Italian for my taste (standardizing the pronunciation of Latin based on Italian was an abomination) but that's no excuse for rebellion.

>>37800809
>Have you tried looking for Pietist groups in your area?
There is a Methodist church in my area, but they're "United Methodist". Since I laid into the priesthood a bit, mainline Protestants have their own problems too. They've been captured for a long time by generic American values (I think there was actually a pope in the 1800s who called "Americanism" a heresy. And it is). That's why you see so many of those LGBT minister memes now. Some of them are Methodist, some Presbyterian, some Episcopal, etc.. I can't tell if they even believe in anything sometimes.

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>>37800805
Also feminism has Jewish origins. There's a part in the Talmud where it says that women should have equal rights.

>>37800805
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=He1TntAK2fs

>>37800835
>So basically the same irreverent "fuck you dad" attitude to authority that caused Christianity to plummet in the first place.
No, I'm just not interested in giving undo authority. There should be authority, but they've overstepped their bounds and micromanage things that should be left to Christ. Or in some cases, some of what they aren't even traditional.
Take Confession, for instance: This wasn't even a consistent practice of it in the early Church. It was for Catechumens. But overtime, they tacked it on to the whole laity to keep them beholden to priests and come back again and again. And created this fear that you can't even find forgiveness by asking God yourself. This is awful. And they used scripture to justify how confession was necessary, but it was wrongly centered on this system of priests.
The real spirit of confession is to not be a hypocrite. To confess and be honest with each other. To not play your better or act more righteous than i am. If you told me about problems with anger or family issues or lust, I am not to hide my own and give you the impression i'm better. And if both of us consult each other and pray together, even better. As Christ said, "when two or three gather in my name, there I am with them." That is the purer confessional behavior and the Church at its core. When we act in accord and honest with each other. Not this other system of clerics larping as if they're Christ. Absolute nonsense.

>>37800910
One last thing, the funny thing is that I think many priests themselves have this relationship with each other. They may have to confess to their friends and vice versa. There isn't the same power dynamic.
If you have a relationship like that with your priest as a layman, I suppose it would be very healthy.

>>37800910
>but they've overstepped their bounds and micromanage things
This isn't a valid justification for rebellion. Your father is still your father no matter how incompetent he is, and thus the Church founded by Christ is still His Church. If your faith is too weak to accept that God has a special role for the Catholic Church, that is on you. But I came to this view after being immersed in history, tradition, and scripture, it was not something I immersed myself without serious consideration.
>And they used scripture to justify how confession was necessary, but it was wrongly centered on this system of priests.
All that is taught is that God wants you to go to confession. I don't think you really wrote anything after that explains why this view is wrong, frankly your post relies a lot on rhetoric and emotional appeal more than anything concrete. Your personal dislike of priests aside, why is confessing to a priest supposed to be worse or not in the spirit of Christianity compared to confession to a layman? You seem to have seriously undermined your own argument here >>37800985 by implying that your only reason for rejecting Catholicism is that you think priests are bad most of the time, which as I said is not much of an argument, since in this age I would agree. Your prejudice is simply stronger than your faith here.
>when two or three gather in my name, there I am with them
This verse is obviously not a condemnation of the Catholic Church or any of its doctrines, nor is it inconsistent with the essence of Catholicism in any way. You should be more careful about taking verses out of context to support a political cause like an atheist would.

>>37800910
>>37800985
Excellent points.

>>37801113
I didn't grow up in any church. I was a ignorant delinquent. My first prayer was just as someone headed for a bad end, and asking God, if he was out there, to get me out of that mess. And he did. That's my Father. At another time, when I first read the Gospels, I was completely blown away by finally learning about Christ. I was never brought up with much of it. I don't think I even sat through any movies growing up. I vaguely knew the story behind Christmas. And after I set the bible down, and went out to do chores, I still couldn't get Jesus out of my head. I couldn't believe i had missing this all of my life! As I started my lawn mower, I inadvertently fell on my knees and something akin to a torrent of water gushed out from me and I started seeing a flood of holy things and words flowing in my mind. My mouth started stammering in some kind of gibberish against my own will. It was like a trance for a second, and then I noticed what I was doing. I freaked out and wondered what was happening to me. I put my hands on my mouth to try to stop it and looked around to see if any neighbors were watching this crazy kid on his knees stammering. No one was there, luckily, but I was never the same after that.
But here's the kicker: I hadn't read the book of Acts yet. I didn't know about the Holy Spirit yet, at least from reading. I had a crash course right then and there. No water baptism yet. No priests involved. No mediator except falling in love with Christ himself in the Gospel.
This is Christianity as I know it. My "rebellion" was before all of this. The person God saved. I appreciate a lot about Church history and theology, but my conscience is clear about what I say about churches. I can not be other than what I am and where God first called me. I just want to share the same love without people getting on my back about it.

>>37800835
>(standardizing the pronunciation of Latin based on Italian was an abomination)
I much prefer it, classical latin sounds weird like classical greek, I can't bring myself to say kurie eleison lol

>>37801266
Dubs confirm.

>>37801266
As a Catholic I personally believe you have received a great gift and that the Spirit acted upon you. I just don't think that refutes my religion since I can easily assimilate your experience into my worldview.

There is no need for esotericism or mysticism for christians. There is no hidden knowledge in Christianity, everything most necessary is told clearly.

Christian mysticism is mis leading practice, making the simple matter of love and salvation needlessly complicated, obscuring the true message.

Consider, original apostles were simple lower class workers and yet God chose them to be first pupils of his Son. It was them who understood Jesus better than any human ever has.

Message of Christ is not complicated! It is simple, so simple that a child is pointed out as understanding it better than wordly learned men or women. A simple man or woman can understand it without searching hidden meanings.

We are saved through faith and love alone. We are judged as we judge others. It is cause enough to rejoice in the mercy we have been given, and love all other human beings sincerily.

>>37801773
You mistake esotericism as rational empirical knowledge, accumulation of facts. It couldn't be further removed from such things.

>>37801698
I do love much about Catholicism still, don't get me wrong. And I still learn a lot from them. And I thank you for understanding. It's mostly these aspects of priestly claims to authority that I find unsettling. It wouldn't be a bad idea to talk it out with one themselves, if I get a chance (don't worry, I wouldn't be rude).

>>37801773
>There is no need for esotericism or mysticism for christians. There is no hidden knowledge in Christianity, everything most necessary is told clearly.
There is no need for esotericism or mysticism for most christians.*
>Christian mysticism is mis leading practice, making the simple matter of love and salvation needlessly complicated, obscuring the true message.
What's complicated about it?
>Consider, original apostles were simple lower class workers and yet God chose them to be first pupils of his Son. It was them who understood Jesus better than any human ever has.
They also knew how to read and write as well as multiple languages
>Message of Christ is not complicated! It is simple, so simple that a child is pointed out as understanding it better than wordly learned men or women. A simple man or woman can understand it without searching hidden meanings.
Christianity is democratic in its mystery but aristocratic in its gnosis
>We are saved through faith and love alone. We are judged as we judge others. It is cause enough to rejoice in the mercy we have been given, and love all other human beings sincerily.
Mostly agree

>>37800468
In this edition I can find in an easy way the interesting parts

One passage that gives me pause about Catholicism. The famous Johannine comma.
>There are three witnesses, the Spirit, the water, and the blood; and these three agree.-1 John 5:7
I've witnessed the Spirit, I eventually got water baptized to confirm that witness, but I do not have a Eucharistic life. That's what I assume is meant by the "blood". What else would it be? The way Catholics speak about it, it seems tremendous, the way I talk about the Spirit.

>>37802715
It's all interesting man. heh

>>37801773
>We are saved through faith and love alone
If you think Mysticism isn't exactly this, I can only assume you do not possess as much of either as you think you do.

>>37802843
I think he or she is misunderstanding what it is, but knows the gist of it instinctually. Sounds like a beautiful anon. That goes for all of you. At least today. Heh

>>37802869
You don't need to say "or she," he was once the pronoun for someone of unspecified or unknown sex. If you've read works from modern academics, you'll know they often default to "herself" when referring to an unspecified individual, and that kind of behavior earns you years of time in purgatory.

Every time I read someone online claiming he can save civilization without Christianity, an image of Guenon completely fucked up on opium appears in my mind.

>>37802935
Maybe I just want to know and don't want it to be unknown. It is both a statement and a question. I didn't have any culture war thing in mind, if that's what you're focused on.
There is no purgatory. When I was afraid to walk the path set before me years ago, I once begged God myself to take it away and let me lead some mediocre life and pay it off later. He squashed my hopes immediately: "There is no purgatory."
But before Protestants think it confirms their view, it turned out to not be that either.

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>>37802816
You should read the fathers, they are pretty much unanimous on the real presence

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>>37803757
In other news, Kat Von D renounced witchcraft and is a sister in Christ now.
I'm impressed by what changed her. She simply noticed that Christians she knew were happier and wanted that for herself. Beauty and life well lived spreads Christ better than anything.

>>37803774
Funnily, a lot of Russian orthodox immigrants are kind of KJV Onlyists like many Baptists. I suppose it resembles the Synodal text the most?

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https://www.adkoi.com/theoutcast/index.php?page=story&issue=3&story=010.txt

https://www.angelfire.com/tx3/Cyanosis13/EvaO.html

>>37804097
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oNUuHBnIyWU

>>37804115
Great song!

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>>37802984
https://youtu.be/1XcBSdtgT0Y?si=rZF5E5K-zujSy3cq

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To him who likes Kierkegaard in /ceg/ 77-78

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>>37805150
And a little greeting, it should read /x/ /ceg/ 29/4 2024 on the back of the pack of cigarette paper. The only paper I had on me.

>>37805150
>>37805176
Very cute!
>I call pictures of a grave cute

>>37805176
Awesome.

>>37805102
lmao

>>37789463
Supreme

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Is there anything good on marriage as an icon of mystical union?

>>37806438
Franz von Baader wrote about that but that's only in German sadly

>>37806475
Gimme a summary

>>37801773
This is false, Christianity needs its History

UNESCO did this. Generated Zionist Judeo-Christianity

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>>37806438
Possibly this, though I have not yet viewed it:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HpSzAh3tHNc

>>37806493
Adam was Androgynous and Sophia inhabited him, until he fell from grace and she left him, Eve was made as a replacement with Sophia inhabiting her (don't remember the exact details)
The Sacrament of Marriage acts as a spiritual reunification between the inner Adam of the Man and the inner Sophia of the Woman

>>37806854
I'll completely agree that Adam lost Wisdom. But Eve had it too. They lost it because they chose false gnosis and wanted to be like God (Tree of Knowledge of Good and Evil) over the Tree of Life, which is Wisdom.
>She is a tree of life to them that lay hold on her: and he that shall retain her is blessed.-Proverbs 3:18

>>37806943
There are two falls, the first is when Adam and Eve became separate, the second is caused by eating from the Tree, that's when Adam as a 'supernatural' being falls from timelessness and spacelessness into time and space

>>37807089
That is an interesting take. So you think the separation of spirits was a fall of sorts? Or serparation of sexes? I think it was a gift of love if done by the hand of God. Adam was unique, but there was a loneliness in his uniqueness. Maybe only God can truly be unique. So God gave him someone to share that life with. There is an element of potential chaos to it - as we see later Eve has a mind of her own and unwittingly influences him into a disaster - but it was still a gift for them, in the whole. At least not the same type of fall.

>>37807161
What I explained is the interpretation of the Christian theosophical tradition which was developed through supernatural insight
You can read more about it if you want in Mysterium Magnum

>>37807246
Hmm, come to think of it, I got some bundle of German mystics to add to the Classics of Western Spirituality series. Didn't have many Protestants before. One of them is Bohme, but I don't remember how much of that work it contains. I'll look later. If that's who you're referring to, I mean.

>>37807262
The CWS Böhme book is just Way to Christ which is more practical, Mysterium Magnum is a commentary on Genesis

>>37806438
http://www.christendom-awake.org/pages/mshivana/marriage-icon.htm

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>>37803774
It is funny that you say this because I go to a Baptist church with my parents but I have learned a lot about Orthodox theology on the Internet and from books such as Saint Maximus the Confessor and Fr. Seraphim Rose.
I would like to go to an Orthodox church but there are none in the town where I live desu.

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>https://www.ncregister.com/cna/italy-s-most-handsome-man-leaves-modeling-career-to-become-a-priest
gigachad pretty-boy model ditches career to join a seminary for priesthood. that makes him and even greater gigachad, he had The World and the Flesh at his beck and call and chose God instead.

>>37808749
Based.

>>37808677
Orthodoxy is all the rage now online

>>37803774
The two groups would disagree on almost everything despite that graph.

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>>37810372
It could be because if you sit down and take an honest look at Christianity, you come to the conclusion that the Greeks were the ones who were there from the beginning. And their aesthetics are also alluring in a time where so much information we get from our little machines is visual. I say this as someone who was born and raised in the Lutheran faith, went to church from I was 14 days old Sunday to service and Saturday for religion classes. My parents were teachers on Saturday.
I neither can nor will run from my Lutheran heritage. Denmark was the first country to carry out a complete reformation of the entire country 1526-1536. I don't like what happened to our church after 1948, but the Holy Spirit probably put things right in time. It may be that the Orthodox Church will play a role in that. It doesn't look like much help will come from Rome.

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>>37810598
I heard that there was a prophecy from the middle ages in Russia or somewhere in the Orthodox world that some day in the future, Germany will convert to Orthodoxy and they will lead a conversion of many westerners to Orthodoxy.
Denmark is close to Germany.

>>37810562
They agree on some things, like evolution being fake and so on.
But they also have many disagreements, yes.

>>37810598
>who were there from the beginning.
Well, not quite. I've always loved this passage from John because Jesus made his most amazing prophecy once Greeks actively sought him out. Then he knew it was time for things to change.
>Now there were some Greeks among those who had come up to worship at the feast. They came to Philip, who was from Bethsaida in Galilee, and asked him, “Sir, we would like to see Jesus.” Philip went and told Andrew; then Andrew and Philip went and told Jesus. Jesus answered them, “The hour has come for the Son of Man to be glorified. Amen, amen, I say to you, unless a grain of wheat falls to the ground and dies, it remains just a grain of wheat; but if it dies, it produces much fruit. Whoever loves his life loses it, and whoever hates his life in this world will preserve it for eternal life. Whoever serves me must follow me, and where I am, there also will my servant be. The Father will honor whoever serves me.
>“I am troubled now. Yet what should I say? ‘Father, save me from this hour’? But it was for this purpose that I came to this hour. Father, glorify your name.” Then a voice came from heaven, “I have glorified it and will glorify it again.” The crowd there heard it and said it was thunder; but others said, “An angel has spoken to him.” Jesus answered and said, “This voice did not come for my sake but for yours. Now is the time of judgment on this world; now the ruler of this world will be driven out. And when I am lifted up from the earth, I will draw everyone to myself.”-John 12:20-30
What I find amazing about the last part is no one in their right mind would rejoice at his execution and the gruesome nature of crucifixion and say he would draw all the world to him. Except Jesus. And it became true. The Cross is everywhere. Both adored and mocked alike. But either way, he can not be ignored.
Even from a skeptic's view, it's still a wild to say the disciples hoaxed something that crazy and made it happen.

>>37810731
The main Baptists I know who are remotely friendly to Orthodox are a bit ecumenical. Theologian wise, Timothy George is one. He's a conservative but also ecumenist. There's actually a history of Christianity documentary he hosted where he's very fair to all branches of Christianity. Not a bad watch if you have 2 hours to waste. He concludes at the end that despite their differences, conservative Evangelicals, Catholics, and Orthodox are all going to be last men standing.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WhLKH9WkMyc

What's your opinion on the Nicolaitans?

genesis 11:1:9 describes the destruction of the tower of Babel. so the eleventh chapter of Genesis has 9 verses describing the destruction of a tower. this is 9:11 inverted. maybe means nothing but i just noticed this.

>>37811585
9/11 is only really important to Americans

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>>37810704
With the chance of sounding a bit too wuw-wuw. There are many forces trying to keep Germany and Russia apart. Much of it is of course raw geopolitics,
but there could also be other things at play

>>37811299
Thank you for showing me another part of the New Testament that I have read through without thinking more deeply about it. It gives new mening.
Pic. From a Danish cemetery. It says "Jesus Lives"

>>37813333
*"Christ Lives" and what numbers!

>>37813333
>There are many forces trying to keep Germany and Russia apart.
Quads confirm.

>>37813246
And Iraqis, who got fucked because of it.

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I now have an embarrassing wealth of digital books. I never thought I'd have this whole series of Patristic and Medieval writers, but it's expensive in hell in print. Don't think I'll even get around to half of it in this lifetime. I'm gonna have to think of a nun or monk to gift it all to in my will or something.

>>37814166
Expensive as hell*

! The books are quite heavenly.

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koan insight:
excruciation like farsight account of jesus' agony on the cross, not wanting his mother to see
the completed koan is a sphere, like the sunwheel, containing one's aura
three perpendicular lines intersect at the central cross: stay with the pain
before is the future, the Heavenly Father burning with Life eternal
above is the void Sun, infinitely ethereal
below is the earth sign ⴲ, deepest in density
behind is the forgotten past, receding to a point.

left is the Anunnaki, dark moon of the Sun
right is Sasquatch, elder brother, Earth friend

so grows yggdrasil in the soul of man

at the resurrection, Michael's wings channel the Father's Sun to
send tongues of flame to undo the pain of the cross.
breathe wings

528Hz | TREE of LIFE
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3OE9ugyPGdQ

shroud of turin:
https://search.freefind.com/find.html?id=2911983&id2=2911983&pid=r&mode=ALL&n=0&query=shroud+of+turin

Sasquatch Message:
https://libgen.is/search.php?req=sasquatch+message&lg_topic=libgen&open=0&view=simple&res=25&phrase=1&column=def

The 3D aura sphere envisioned has three axes:
- time - a manifold progressing towards perfection, with consciousness fled from past cycles, leaving shadows behind
- polarity - Positive/StO vs Negative/StS)
- density - of vibrational level, not stage of consciousness. Thus Negative 4thD lower lords are at a deeper density than our physical Earth plane.

The meditative practice is to gaze into the winged Sun, breathing tongues glossolalia.

Apologetics starts here:
https://scenicsasquatch.com/2022/04/14/the-essential-role-of-prime-directive-in-understanding-the-alien-phenomenon/
key witness:
https://archive.org/details/secret-yajweh-tapes-combined/Delta%20Sol%20project%20combined/

when quantum computers edit Bible verses in Mandela effect, trust megalithic stone and the unprecedented resurrection burned into the Shroud.

>>37787149
I have to confess something here. I am torn. I am torn deeply.

I have been practicing ceremonial magick for almost a year and a half. The spiritual understandings I've come to, especially regarding myself, has been amazing. I recently did a ceremonial prayer in which I forgave people who caused me trauma in the past. I prayed to God, Christ, Mary, and the archangels.
All I will say, is that the power of forgiveness, especially when you truly forgive others, is a profound and divine thing. I know Christ is Lord. I do not question this.... But... In my heart, obeying the dogmas and rules of Christian religions feels.. wrong? restricting?.. I'm not sure.
I know I'm practicing magick, and this is supposedly wrong in christianity, even though I see it used all the time.

So what I'm wondering is, can I still be a Christ following magickian while rejecting the christian religion?

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Trads who don't pray the Luminous mysteries because they don't depict Mary in any situations:
Remember that she is the first follower of Jesus herself. She was privileged to see his glory and learn from her Son before anyone. For 30 years. Being a disciple and simply hearing of the Kingdom of God is walking Mary's path in and of itself.
As for it throwing off the order: I've taken to praying them on Sundays in Ordinary time. Rather than Thursdays.

>>37814436
Yes, Jesus was a shaman. The post above yours has the answers you seek.

Jesus did not write a book, and he could've. The reason he didn't? Because the Roman Flavian Illuminati edited the New Testament for their own ends.

>>37814436
Just be a christian magick practioner
https://thavmapub.com/

>>37814490
If you have the Holy Spirit, you'd know the first thing he'd tell you is to read holy scripture. Without fail. He does it all the time, with both regular people and saints alike.
Jesus is the Word, the very Angel of the Lord who spoke to Moses and the Prophets. He existed long before his earthly ministry. He had a specific mission for that - but even then, he instituted the sacraments. Which are the summit of the Church, as she keeps telling the world. Not merely reading.

>>37814511
it's holey alright

>>37814492
There is no need for magic when God is on your side. Or rather, you are on God's side.
It's like those isekai anime where the kid gets transported to a fantasy world and he instantly knows powerful defenses without needing to verbalize them or engage with incantations like everyone else.

>>37814531
Yeah but some people just connect better with ritual

>>37814436
What do you do?

>>37814531
Exactly! The Holy spirit is the most magical thing of all time.

>>37814490
I'll have to read through all that's posted.

>>37814492
That's what I'm hoping to be, but from what I'd read, I'd think Orthodox are closer than Catholic, but I don't wish to start a fight.

>>37814599
What do I do as in magickal practice?
Mostly a daily ritual that consists of:
>visualisation grouding
>Glory Be prayer
>Hail Mary
>LBRP
>Lords Prayer
>personal prayer of gratitute towards The Divine Creator, Christ, The Holy Mother, The Archangels, the Celestial Bodies for their influences, the earth, and the spirits, even thankful for the things that stand against me, as I am grateful for my trials as much as I am my blessings and abundance

Sometimes I might perform a ritual, thanking the moon for it's influence. I also try to light a black candle and do medative thanks to saturn for its influences. I do a daily tarot draw as well. As a spiritual lesson. Usually rather accurate.
I sometimes try a spell or two, but if it's "black" it's about wanting an outcome for something for myself, not to harm or hurt another.

I know it sounds heretical, but through my daily ritual, I've found more of a connection with the Divine Creator, if that makes sense?

>>37814531
You use magick all the time whether you realize it or not. Just because you don't know how something works doesn't mean you don't do it.

>>37815060
>You use magick all the time whether you realize it or not. Just because you don't know how something works doesn't mean you don't do it.
I know how I work. I don't know how you work, but I'm pretty sure I have an entirely different Mana bar and class type, to make another analogy. It only runs on Grace. I am nothing without it. That's how it works. There are multiple ways ways to fill one's Grace bar in this world and none of them require practicing magic.

>>37815695
>mana bar
Ok, we seem to have a misunderstanding.
I'm not talking about the Holy Spirit. There's no debate from me about the power of the Holy Spirit.
But there is a difference between Holy Spirit, and magick.
Magick is simply allowing the subconscious to effect the collective conscious to create an outcome. This is why propaganda is so powerful among the masses. You don't even need to see the same propaganda if enough people have seen it, because it becomes part of the collective conscious and it makes its way into your subconscious too then.
This is not the Holy Spirit. I'm not discounting or saying that you don't need the Holy Spirit. I'm just saying that "you don't need magick" is a non-argument because people use it all the time without realizing it.

>>37815060
>I'd think Orthodox are closer than Catholic
I think you can fit Ada's stuff into Orthodoxy too. But if you really look into it, western ceremonial magick is heavily influenced by Catholicism.

>>37816149
>western ceremonial magick is heavily influenced by Catholicism
I'm convinced it is, but you can never share these things with other "christians" and if they even get a wiff of you doing this stuff, especially tarot, they get real pushy real quick about you needing to re-evaluate your relationship with Christ. I'm not perfect, and I ask The Divine Creator and Christ to forgive me of my transgressions.
And yes, while I ask for forgiveness, I do find that an Unblocking cleanse (Hyssop in a bath reciting Psalm 51, etc) helps to rid anything else attaching to you.
But I'm not saying other followers of Christ should do it, especially if they are not comfortable with such a thing. But mentioning this to your average Christian tends to make them uncomfortable.
And I'm sorry I'm ranting on, but it does effect relationships I have in the future. It's like, I'm experiencing something so deep and divine, yet have to hide it from people I love because I know their biases will only see it as some pagan-stuff.

Is there a way for me to gain favor of god and his angels? There's a woman I like, is it at all possible to get god or angels to convince her to like me?

>>37816136
sounds like the 100th monkey thing I heard about a while back

>>37810598
I think it's just because it's the new wave of Orientalism, we have already had waves that caused the Theosophical Society or the Kabbalah Centre thing in the 2000s
What makes this different is that Orthodoxy, even if it looks different, really isn't that different from what Americans and Western Europeans are used to as they also come from Christian cultures
>>37810704
Dunno about anything like that from Medieval times, but Oswald Spengler, Rudolf Steiner and probably some others placed Russia as the future of the West (for Spengler Russian Civilization would overtake Faustian Europe as it is in decline)
>>37813333
Quads
Franz von Baader was able to nearly organize a union of the German Lutheran, Russian Orthodox and Austrian Catholic Churches, but that got stopped when the Tsar of the time got assasinated
>>37814396
>>37814490
Looks like this was written with SEO in mind
>>37814597
Sacraments
>>37815060
Doesn't sound so bad
Give it time, what books have you read, do you know the theory behind magic? Not the modern one from the Golden Dawn, the traditional understanding
After some time you will know how to discern what's right and what's wrong
We can also help you with giving some answers
>>37816645
There is no way to gain the favour of God or Angels, they aren't people you can just bribe to get what you want
You can pray to God for help and because God loves you he will, but God also loves her, so if you don't deserve her you shouldn't get mad

>>37816734
>do you know the theory behind magic?
Kinda answered that with a few, but yeah, I mostly go with a sort of Golden Dawn (Regardie, not Crowley) understanding.
>Magick is simply allowing the subconscious to effect the collective conscious to create an outcome.
Books I've been into so far are:
- Kabbalah, Magic, and the Great Work of Self-Transformation by LTC
- The Middle Pillar by Regardie
I have some other texts that I refer to, but haven't "studied" like I do with these two books.
>We can also help you with giving some answers
Before I answer on that, I'll need to ask who "We" is?

>>37816777
Trips
Ah you're the guy with the psychological interpretation that has been posted
You've been going through GD material, you'll 'mature' with time
>I'll need to ask who "We" is?
Me and the /ceg/ians

>>37816859
Yeah, the psychological parts have been extremely helpful. I mean, of course there is a spiritual side to it. I understand the author of the first book I mentioned, takes big liberties with the psychological portion, but I do see or rather "feel" the spiritual aspect to it.
I know it takes time, I want to move onto start doing the Banishing Ritual of the Hexagram, so I still have a ways to go.
But I'm actually open to learning about the theory of magick according the the /ceg/ians, if you're willing to answer, of course.

>>37816927
Sure, time to reuse a quote i got from wikipedia
>The magical is a great hidden wisdom, and reason is a great open folly. No armour shields against magic for it strikes at the inward spirit of life. Of this we may rest assured, that through full and powerful imagination only can we bring the spirit of any man into an image. No conjuration, no rites are needful; circle-making and the scattering of incense are mere humbug and jugglery. The human spirit is so great a thing that no man can express it; eternal and unchangeable as God Himself is the mind of man; and could we rightly comprehend the mind of man, nothing would be impossible to us upon the earth. Through faith the imagination is invigorated and completed, for it really happens that every doubt mars its perfection. Faith must strengthen imagination, for faith establishes the will. Because man did not perfectly believe and imagine, the result is that arts are uncertain when they might be wholly certain.
>Whether the object of your faith be real or false, you will nevertheless obtain the same effects. Thus, if I believe in Saint Peter’s statue as I should have believed in Saint Peter himself, I shall obtain the same effects that I should have obtained from Saint Peter. But that is superstition. Faith, however, produces miracles; and whether it is a true or a false faith, it will always produce the same wonders.

>>37816734
>There is no way to gain the favour of God or Angels, they aren't people you can just bribe to get what you want
>You can pray to God for help and because God loves you he will, but God also loves her, so if you don't deserve her you shouldn't get mad
But I'm going mad. I'm getting old, and I've never had crisis / limerence like this before. She's religious and I envy her because god has provided for her, but not for me.

>>37817510
>Envy
That's one of the Seven Deadly Sins
Maybe if you became devoted and pious she would fall for you
Also i recommend getting relationship advice from somewhere that isn't a Christian thread on an anonymous Anime board

>>37817552
This isn't anime board anymore, this is lifehack board

it's both gift and curse. i got to a christian school because of this board.. not that I really became devoted lol , but it's better than being shut in neet for little over decade

>>37817572
>christian school
Years ago or something?
Also are you from Eastern Europe?

>>37817585
no, this is my 3rd and final year

im from lutheran country, so not eastern europe sadly

>>37817648
Then you're still young, you have enough time
Also are you sure this isn't just abschlussangst? (That's anxiety you get when you're finishing a chapter in your life and you feel like you could've missed out on something in it)
Also i thought that because you sometimes don't type out a/an in your sentences which is something common in Slavic and Baltic languages

>>37817709
Sadly I'm in my 30s, and I really don't know what to do after this school ends.. don't even have a education/trade. I came here to try to get over my social anxiety, but it seems to not have been working as well as I would've expected.

>>37817734
That's still younger than you think
What have you been struggling with?

>>37817878
I think it's some trauma, CPTSD. I get severe social anxiety when around group of people, and I also can't talk to women very well.

>>37817945
Do you know the cause of it? Any event in your life that comes to mind?

>>37817966
Probably something in childhood

>>37817988
I recommend you try and trace it back to its source, only then can you overcome it

>>37810372
>>37810598
The reason is because eastern christians are the only ones really concerned with preserving the ancient traditions nowadays

>>37787149
>Two men will be in the field; one will be taken and the other left.
>Two women will be grinding with a hand mill; one will be taken and the other left.
>Matthew 24:40-41

Jesus was teaching how to achieve Atman (the kingdom of the father), the crucifixion is the end of self this is the truth salvation and afterlife.

>>37819770
Why does it always have to be Jesus just so happening to teach us what we we like in Dharmic Religions?

>>37816734
>Looks like this was written with SEO in mind
If you say so. Version deprecated, venue departed.
https://scored.co/c/Conspiracies/p/17t1aqvT4L/instead-of-meditating-on-white-l/c

>>37821255
wtf nick fuentes keeps getting uglier

>>37787406
>>37787413
Where can I buy these editions?

>>37820761
Jesus is universal. Whatever is good in the world came from God first.
On a sidenote, I'm slowly seeing paganshills realize this themselves. Some approaches are moving from the particular (or the outright racist) to the universal and hoping to co-opt even some Christian symbols. There was even a thread the other day where someone was trying to relate the Crucifixion to Dionysus cultists being crucified too.

I think all religions have their share of bad critics, but anyone who claims there is any comparison with the increasingly bizarre hatred of Christianity we see today is delusional. The things I read every time I come online are so stupid it is hard to believe a human being wrote them. You no longer encounter criticism of Christianity that postures as intellectual anymore, it is now unabashedly vulgar, base, illiterate, and deeply neurotic; which is what I suppose it always was.

>>37821846
I was the same myself as a kid. Living in sin is rebellion and one in rebellion doesn't want to be told to stop. I think I was also brainwashed by media depictions, but I won't entirely blame that. My faults were entirely my own. I just wanted to dismisses ideas of the Church all because I had were these images of crazy televangelists in my mind. I almost think they exist to purposely repulse the world from Christ. Same with FoxNews type stuff or politicians. It's all a foil to create a false image of Christ that makes people annoyed with him.

>>37821874
because all I had*

Sorry, cut and paste errors.

>>37821874
There have always been bad priests and fake saints, but there has never been a public so eager to accept them as the true face of Christianity.

>>37821907
Well, there hasn't been mass media either. Shows just how powerful it is.

>>37817494
>Whether the object of your faith be real or false, you will nevertheless obtain the same effects. Thus, if I believe in Saint Peter’s statue as I should have believed in Saint Peter himself, I shall obtain the same effects that I should have obtained from Saint Peter. But that is superstition. Faith, however, produces miracles; and whether it is a true or a false faith, it will always produce the same wonders.

Thank you for this, I'm the guy you were replying to.

This is interesting, because while I mention the psychological aspects are helpful, of course there is a true belief behind it.

If I'm drawing my petagrams and then visualising them going outward with a brilliant white flame as I resonate one of the holy names of God, it's not just psychological, I am genuinely letting everything within this cardinal direction know that at this time, I am creating a space within the invisible world for me to communicate directly to The Divine, to God, and that I am banishing them from bothering me until I am done. This is real. As real as you or I, and interpret that however you wish to.

>>37822575
Want me to recommend you two books for you to read some day?

>>37793206
>Let us begin with the concept of space. Although space as we know it is composed of three dimensions, for the sake of simplicity let us represent it in the form of a single line.
>Then there is time, which we can depict as a vertical line intersecting it.
>Thus we have the central symbol of Christianity, which is not only the cross of the historical crucifixion but the “cross” of time and space on which each of us is crucified. >This familiar cross, however, is not the ultimate version of this symbol. A fuller representation is a three-dimensional cross. To imagine it, you would have to think of the two-dimensional cross lying flat. Then draw a third line perpendicular to this cross and going through its center.
>If the first two lines are time and space, what is the third? We could say that it is consciousness, interiority, the sense of an “I” experiencing, which is eternal, undying, and omnipresent. We customarily associate this with the head, so sometimes in the tradition a small semicircle is placed at the top of this line to indicate its true nature.
>At this point this symbol will be familiar to most Christians. It is the chi-rho, so called because it is a monogram of these two Greek letters, chi, X, and rho, P, which are the first two letters of the name of Christos.
>This gives an idea of how esotericism works. To view the Chi-Rho as a simple monogram is not in itself wrong, but the understanding of this symbol can be taken further. Most people would be satisfied to know that this symbol stands for two Greek letters, but there are always a few who suspect that something more is concealed in such images, and to these the inner tradition is addressed.

>>37823358
>...a third perspective, given by Rene Guenon, holds that the fullest version of this symbol is a threedimensional cross, of which the Chi-Rho figure is a two-dimensional depiction. Here each of the six arms corresponds to one of the dimensions: the “boundless north,” the “boundless south,” the “boundless east,” the “boundless west, “the “boundless depth,” and the “boundless height,” as described in the Sefer Yetzirah. In contemplating these different perspectives, the object is not so much to rifle through them and pick one that is supposedly right, but rather to let the intellect be informed and inspired by all of them together.

>Guenon relates this image of the eye of the needle to the Chi-Rlio monogram, and even suggests that the P symbol resembles needles as they were made in antiquity; Fundamental Symbols, p. 275-6 https://archive.org/details/fundamentalsymbo0000guen/page/274/mode/2up?view=theater&ui=embed&wrapper=false

Christianity contains slave morality.
There are zionist Christians all over the American Bible belt giving money to Israel.

All religions are just templates for human society that keep thier shape through dogma, it's why L ron Hubbard is vastly superior to Karl Marx as a social engineer.

Early in the forming of Abrahamic religions it's likely the Bible was either tampered with, or written in it's entirety to be a "slave religion"

It's pretty easy to have a slave class if you just write their gods and prophecies.

>>37822989
I would be very interested, yes.

>>37823937
>Christianity contains slave morality.
I thought we had an evil colonizer religion that allowed slavery?
Or was it effeminate and not restrictive enough?
Or was it too restrictive?
>All religions are just templates for human society that keep thier shape through dogma
Christianity is not a religion, it's a way of life
>it's why L ron Hubbard is vastly superior to Karl Marx as a social engineer.
Two of my greatest heroes
A shame we never got any good adaptions of Hubbard's scifi books
>Early in the forming of Abrahamic religions it's likely the Bible was either tampered with, or written in it's entirety to be a "slave religion"
Good thing we have the Quran which is perfectly preserved
>It's pretty easy to have a slave class if you just write their gods and prophecies.
Maybe we should try that too sometime
>>37823987
Theosophia by Arthur Versluis
Alone with the Alone by Henry Corbin (not a Christian book but it will help you)

>>37821349
...and more and more based.

How do I convince the Father at my local orthodox Church that i'm not just a tourist visoter and I want to be orthodox?

>>37825444
Tell him you got trips on this post
If you already live a just Christian life he will believe you

>>37825444
Ask him about becoming a catechumen

>37824084
0/10 religion

>>37825586
lol if he knows what trips are.
I suspect some Orthodox clerics may be anons along with Baptists. Another strange thing they might have in common.

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>>37826680
>I suspect some Orthodox clerics may be anons
True. Many Orthodox priests are very well versed in meme culture.

>>37828547
this image looks weird and satanic

>>37828657
>Yeheshuah
So this is mask off? No hiding that it's really all about YHWH? What a shame. I'll at least give the pagan elements of genuine Christianity some credit. They're the less evil aspects for sure.

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>>37828657

How do I become a poet warrior for God and achieve my highest potential, mentally spiritually and physically? Any good esoteric books for this?

I feel like I'm closer and closer each time I come back to God after steering away from him, but the one thing I just cannot seem to solve and which seduces me away is wrath. I can't seem to overcome that. Thinking about revenge, about how people did wrong to me or how they could do wrong to me or my family. Seeing how everyone is trying to betray, rip me off, steal, being paranoid.
I just makes me go crazy. I'm so tired of being angry all the time, just so tired. I spend so much time on anger that it cuts my productive life in half. Sometimes I do feel a fleeting sense of love for my neighour, but it never stays fully with me. I've been conditioned to hate and think in worldly ways, like everyone. I want to think in a context of eternity but when it comes to defending myself from harm I just don't know how to handle that while loving them.
How do you start loving people while protecting yourself from them?

>>37828722
You have no idea what evil is. Evil isn't "whatever doesn't make me feel good".

>>37829476
It's not about feeling good. I'm just someone who likes to know the truth behind things. To find out that the Hebrews deceived so many people and covered up their history is hard to deal with. It doesn't feel good at all. To know that YHWH is a false god doesn't either. You can't have Jesus without YHWH. That isn't easy to deal with but it is something I've had to.

What are some serious books on alchemy?
And about CHRISTIAN alchemy?

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>>37828732
The tetragrammaton give 72.
The pentagrammaton give 111. (72 + 39)

111 give us : Unit consioussness, the All, the Chi or Qi.

>>37828519
Oversimplified understanding
>>37828547
Pretty
>>37828648
I still don't know of Paul's death was an accident or suicide, if the latter is the case, i recommend keeping a distance from the OMS
>>37828722
Don't you know that YHWH is actually Sauron?
>>37829073
>poet
Learn how to write poetry, read Dante, Shakespeare, Goethe, Novals, Medieval Love Poetry (Troubadours and Minnesinger), Jacopone da Todi, etc...
>warrior
Look into ascesis, read Saint Bernard, Theologia Germanic (by a Teutonic Knight)
Basically just look into the list below the OP
>>37829360
You take things personally, try to distance yourself from your emotions
Also
>I have no enemies
>>37829563
If they covered it up how do you know about it?
>>37829811
Spiritual Alchemy from Jacob Boheme to Mary Anne Atwood
>>37829852
YHVH in Gemateia equals 26, if you turn it into the Pythagorean Tetracys it equals 72
The letter Shin equals 300, so you don't get 111 by adding it, any way you slice it

>>37828722
I interpret Gnosticism as the demiurge being/ruling over human perception, related to the exoteric understanding of Yahweh and the Old Testament (the human bastardisation of God and His word). The monad still being yhwh, but hidden under the esoteric meaning of the Old Testament giving the true word underneath unknown to the prejudices of the Isreali priest caste who wanted to write propaganda a lot of the time. A slow subtle unveiling twisting human nature and prejudices to reveal something genuinely good to the human populace, where otherwise it would be squashed by that greed and xenophobia and a desire for control. The obvious part that encapsulated the greed and xenophobia was given by God to be ruled by the demiurge to destruct him, who came before in the face of pagan gods who demanded sacrifice and absolute submission, but the true wisdom of the Hebrew Scriptures were woven by the subtle light of the true YHVH

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xOldGjJ2r2I

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eppGCoYzcvo

>>37830194
>I still don't know of Paul's death was an accident or suicide, if the latter is the case, i recommend keeping a distance from the OMS.
Merci.

>>37830313
A God who demands justice is no different than Jesus. There's nothing exoteric or esoteric about it.
>As for those mine enemies, who would not that I should reign over them, bring them hither and slay them before me.-Luke 19:27
Just because Jesus has a ministry of mercy for now doesn't mean it always will be so.

>>37830194
I know because I study languages, cultures, and topics related to those things. Shockingly, it is really easy to dig up info on the ancient Hebrews. We found artifacts and things they probably forgot to destroy. Also it isn't hard to figure out that they lied about a lot of things.

>>37830313
The Bible is a mirror of the soul and the world, just as there is darkness and light in the world, so there is darkness and light in the Bible
Also traditionally Jesus is the (Platonic) Demiurge
And concerning the nature of YHVH, he is neither the Father nor some lesser deity, YHVH is the 'Body of God', his self revelation to the world, this is both present in Kabbalah with YHVH as the Chariot of God, and Christian theosophh where Böhme calls Sophia 'Jehova'
>>37830341
Les Enfants Terribles
>>37830689
Please tell us more

>>37790576
why seethest thou?

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>>37830194
The letters
> shin
is the 13th letter.
> yod
10 th
> Vow
6 th
> heth
5 th

> if you turn it into the Pythagorean Tetracys
10 = 10
5+10 = 15
6+5+10 = 21
5+6+5+10 = 26
= 10+15+21+26 = 72
> new line with shin
5+6+13+5+10 = 39
72 + 39 = 111
> or
72 + 26 (same as previous line) + 13 (shin) = 111

>>37831612
>>37831619
>>37831630
Interesting
It's crazy to know that someone who's so young and who i would watch on YouTube isn't around anymore
>>37831627
After Yod the Hebrew Abjad letters progress by adding 10
So if Shin is a letter that comes after Yod, it's value can't be anything that doesn't have a 0 at the end

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>>37831838
Forgot to include this

>>37829476
YHVH without the Shin letter is mostly the Ego / Demiurge or black cube. The Shin or the Holy Fire (Holy Spirit) kill the Ego / Demiurge and purify the black cube into a white cube.

>>37831855
YHVH is the personification of God in physical realm : Body + Mind as dual.
YHSVH is the personification of God in spiritual realm : Body and Mind as One.

God wasn't good or bad at the beginning.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qLTV_RXHnj8

>>37821587
Someone beat you to it.

https://roseobscurities.com/products/paracelsus-his-life-and-doctrines-by-franz-hartmann?_pos=5&_sid=31da9d209&_ss=r

>>37787157
>>37787168
Jesus will neve come back on a physical body, his coming back means that he is now acting directly on the Earth, whereas before he was a Sun being.

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>>37806854
> Adam (Aleph + Dalet + Mem final)
was a spirit that came from the Primordial Sea (Dead Sea = Mem final) of Spirits or God (Aleph)
> Eve (don't remember the exact letters from Genesis but Eve was shown as the fence of Adam)
is the Heart of Adam (the rib is part of the spine, spine and heart are mostly similar), in Man is present as the soul or the Aura (a magnetic field produced by the heart).

Adam always command Eve, doesn't mean Man is superior to Woman, but Spirit command the Soul or the Matter.

> Heaven is the sea of Spirits (Aleph + Mem Final),
where is any different states to experience, before the tree of knowledge.
> Earth was seen as the Sea of Fire (Shine + Mem Final),
Fire in that context is like a spectrum of different states of experience after the tree of knowledge. (The two pillars).

>>37787149
I haven't visited this thread before or looked much into Christian esotericism, but I'm curious-
What's the state of opinion of prominent figures in the field (or anyone in these threads) regarding the associations between Egyptian philosophy/religion and the Christian tradition? I've been studying Egypt and keep seeing large parallels between the Osirian cycle and Christ, Egyptian creation stories and Genesis, language used to describe the Duat that gets echoed in the Bible, etc.

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>>37787149
What order to join if anyone want become a Catholic Priest and know how to ascend? Franciscan?

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>>37832135
There are a lot of parallels, especially regarding death and resurrection, life eternal and the clear egyptian influence in the Pentateuch. In reality, Christianity fulfills what ancient egyptians longed for.

Personally, I believe this regarding the parallels:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Prisca_theologia

Also, you should look into Coptic christianity.

>>37832135
Jews lived between Egypt and Mesopotamia so they have commonalities with both groups
Moses who is the traditional author of the first 5 Books of the Bible lived in Egypt
The Osiris Cycle is only superficially close to the Resurrection Account
Early Christians prefered Egyptian religion over Greek one because it was more simmiliar to Christianity and saw their gods as more abstract while the Greeks saw theirs as more Anthropomorphic
Hermeticism is heavily influenced by Judaism, Christianity and Gnosticism, with a basic philosophical framework in Middle Platonism (Like Christianity)
Later some Christians saw Hermes Trismegistus as a 'Proto-Christian' simmiliar to Plato, and Hermeticism influenced Christianity during the Middle Ages and thw Renaissance
>>37832196
Compare the Cross to the Tree of Life

>>37832135
One interresting analogy I remember:

Paul didn't think Jesus would be condemned, becouse he believed the law to contain something spiritual, which would prevent an innocent from being crucified.

This can be understood through Osiris being Murdered by Set. Osiris gave Egyptians the language, but when he was murdered, the language became more rational and structured, losing the soul element. It became a body without a soul. His body was cut into pieces, symbolizing the alphabet being used instead of symbols.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uxI4T30oA7M

>>37832368
>Osiris gave Egyptians the language, but when he was murdered, the language became more rational and structured, losing the soul element. It became a body without a soul. His body was cut into pieces, symbolizing the alphabet being used instead of symbols.
Bro this is nearly incoherent. Thoth gave them language and writing.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oVI1eeDG4Oc

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>>37832543
>takes whatever works from above
Wesley is the first mixed martial artist of the Church. He's more relevant than ever, even if many don't know it.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vMn6q1z7Oxk

>>37800468
https://voxday.net/2024/05/03/anti-christian-and-anti-american/

>>37833101
This looks interesting.

where to begin with the russian sophiologists bros

>>37832265
The hebrew letter Aleph is composed from 2 letters:
> bet
Box (inside) / delimitation between inside and
outside
> tzadde
A young tree growing. (Tzadde final is the staff of Moses : meaning the Righteous One)

Aleph means literally The tree of Life is inside.

What Moses saw on Mount Sinai was not an ardent bush but his own Tree of Life Shining (impregnate with the holy ghost or Holy spirit the letter Shin of the pentagrammaton, Moses was One with God, has Jesus was sometimes too One with God.)

>>37832478
Not sure if you are being serious, but many esoteric writers believe that Thoth was a human initiate and not a god.

Even if he is a god there are multiple exemples of gods sharing roles in all mythologies.

>>37834005
Thoth wasn't human he was a fictional divinity that personified consciousness : The Tree of Life.
The hidden vessel left by Thoth under the sphinx is the same as in the story of Noah, the arch that is hidden behind the wall of fire with the head of Lion (book of revelation) is your solar plexus, where the Holy Fire and Holy Spirit (shin) arise, between hand (yod) and head (resh).

> God (Aleph), Teach (lamed), Holy Spirit (Shin) between hand (Yod) and head (Resh)
Yod, Shin, Resh, Aleph, Teach = (I)od,(S)hin, (Re)sh, (A)leph, (L)amed = ISRAEL.

>>37833101
Is Radical Orthodoxy esoteric Christianity?

>>37834509
It's more holistic than one area of life. Although it speaks of the most important mindset that lends to the esoteric: it sees God in everything, both the small and great.

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>>37833957
Jesus is the Theophany of the Burning Bush. He is the I am - as he repeats again in his incarnation: "Before Abraham was, I am". Or in Revelation: He who was, who is, and who will be. The First and the Last. He is not merely "one" with God. He is God. The entire world was created through him. Moses will never do this. You will never do this. I will never do this. Nobody is "one" with the Creator as his Word is. And Moses certainly didn't think this for even a split second. He knew what an ant he was in comparison, and plead with Israel to understand this too or they'd get wrecked. And they did get wrecked. All they knew how to do was talk shit and be completely unteachable, like you.

>>37834635
Radical Orthodoxy seems to bring togeder the thought of many interesting theologians and philosophers. From early Church Fathers to Ficino, Nicolas of Cusa, Solovyov, Bulgakov and von Balthasar.

The BUMP limit was hit!
We need a new thread. May I suggest Orthodox Easter edition?

>>37833064
He k.o'd his sins
>>37833869
Sophiology by Bulgakov (it's on Anna's Archive)
That's the purest most Orthodox interpretation, people like Soloviev and Berndyaev are also influenced by Western thinkers
>>37834509
In a way, yes
>>37835043
Now imagine how cool it'd be if it weren't hyper obscure
>>37835182
Sure, i have been out of ideas for a while

>>37787149
New thread >>37835739