How do you activate the dantian? I've been reading some stuff and I've come to the understanding the dantian is like an atrophied faculty that needs to be activated before you can actually use it to start storing energy, anybody got some info on this stuff?
>>39128847if you want to increase the energy you store, go to the top of a tall building. this will increase your potential energy
>>39128847Proper health+ restoring the qi flow to how it was before puberty+ exercises that generate true qi+ exercises that settle the qi in the general lower abdominal area. Whole process takes between 3-5 years in healthy adults
>>39128847It's all about energy, have you ever played those flash games where you bring a stream of cells to a neutral big cell and it activates and produces new cells for you? Here it's the same, you just have to bring shitload of energy into dantian/chakra/sephirot/whatever system you're doing for energy centers, until it wakes up. All practices are designed to do that, but they are covered in many layers of philosopho-religious bullshit. The process is technical.
>>39128981the pathways to the dantian are closed in adults, it happens during puberty. You can't use Yi to get the qi into the ldt and the ldt has no capacity to generate qi until the pathways are restored. What happens is that people bring qi in the lower abdomen but it never enters the ldt nor does it increase the ldt capacity to generate qi because the ldt remain inactive. This qi gathered in the area generates some sensations and can be molded by intention into a temporary container shape but its not the true ldt and it's a dead-end progress wise.
>>39128991That's what the exercises are for, aren't they?
>>39128991how to open them then
>>39129016> you just have to bring shitload of energy into dantian/chakra/sephirot/whatever system you're doing for energy centers, until it wakes upMy point is that this particular approach doesn't work, like at all. So no, the exercises, as you outlined them aren't for that and will do nothing about activating the dantian or helping you progress in neidan
>>39129024The pathways are open, otherwise you would die. But the qi flows in incorrect directions, so no matter how long you concentrate on the ldt general area, the qi doesn't get there. It's like trying to fill a bathtub when there are no pipes going towards it. >how.Couldn't actually describe the exercises even if I wanted to. But its basically a combination of isometric and active moving that forces the qi to flow in a direction it doesn't usually flows in adults. No actual meditation or concertation required at all btw
Can some Taoist lurkers post some authentic methods to begin properly storing qi in the dantien? Basically some advice on the practices and right direction to take to activate the jade fluid production? Or post book titles that have legitimate methods?Dalits internal alchemy is obviously a legit process/phenomenon, but for some reason it is ridiculously hard to find any reliable or legit information on what to actually do.Also why do I have to wait 800 seconds to get a captcha? Wtf is this.
>>39128960Why are you daoist tards always so cryptic >hmmm yes there are special exercises >no I will not even give a vague outline of what they are
>>39128847I imagine this would work...https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XMzynf2_5NA
>>39129215either:1. larpers making it up that don't have any exercises to back up their larps2. people who take their knowledge seriously and have no reason to divulge itits one of those
It depends what school you are working with honestly but there is a general activation and it involves samadhi using the Dan Tien as the object of absorption or a type of Qigong where you are grounded on the Earth and let the energy of the Earth cleanse you which makes you move around quite a bit.
>>39128847>>39129653https://taijiwuxigong.com/activation_dantian.htmhttps://taijiwuxigong.com/wuxi_stance.htmBest of luck OP take your time and build up slowly.
The Master does nothing, yet he leaves nothing undone. The ordinary man is always doing things, yet many more are left to be done.
>>39129039jfc stfu you idiot
>>39129909seething larper
>>39129956>no meditation or concentration requiredkys for telling people the opposite of what they should be doing
>>39128847you are a machine dreaming to imagine itself.
>>39130006the way the body moves energy is, at the most basic, through muscle contractions. When you exercise, you generate heat, when you shiver you generate heat. Your body has countless processes and every single one of them can be touched upon without meditation or deep concentration. Why exactly do you think you can achieve any real progress in neigong through no other means but concentration? If the lower dantian is located within the physical body and has a physical nature why would it need metaphysical processes like concentration to use it? If a muscle is atrophied, would concertation be used to rehabilitate it or physical exercise?You people are averse to the truth and are incapable of even the most basic insight into your own nature yet dream yourself as celestial mystics with insight into the nature of the universe.Clueless and proud of it
>>39130006>meanwhile in the chaos magick thread people get their wishes by cooming on doodles
>>39128847What kind of energy you talking about? It is only abstract "energy" like abstract "God" then you are running after a illusion.
The first thing you should start doing is practicing vibrating your voice. It's important for chants, meditations, and activating anything like this. It's especially important for runes. https://voca.ro/17X35iQDLgDBMy warm-up chant. Im saying "jez-ryah".
>>39130099There's only one kind of energy. Energy is MOVEMENT. All different kinds of energy are really just describing movement of different particles or bodies consisting of them. For example, heat (high temperature) is quickened movement of the molecules of a heated body. Electrical energy is movement of electrons.
>>39130098And demons ravage those coomers to pieces they are just ignorant of it.
>>39130092>makes excuses for not doing real workyes, why would anyone need to concentrateabsolutely clueless
>>39130156>this can all be explained with engineeringlol, lmao evenutterly, absolutely clueless
>>39128847> I've come to the understanding the dantian is like an atrophied faculty that needs to be activated before you can actually use it to start storing energyYes and no. Dantian means elixir field, both the elixir and the field are of utmost importance to the function of the "dantian". For the embryonic breath, there first needs to be an embryo.There is no secret, you need to learn to separate shen(spirit) and qi. Wherever mind goes, qi flows, so in essence, your Spirit or innate nature or receptive awareness needs to remain in the upper dantian, while the mind needs to sink along with the qi to the lower dan tian below the navel. When the dantian forms in the lower navel it's not something you can miss, the 'field' is a dense ball of energy, while the "dan" or pill is your mind in the center.
>>39128847You just need to develop an awareness of it, the lower dantian is already "activated". The simplest way to do this is to gather all your awareness and move it to the location itself and try to keep it there for as long as possible. This is easier said than done, awareness tends to stick to places in its way to other places and it disperses easily too, this is why meditation is the best supporting tool.For starters lie down and focus all your awareness in the spot three fingers under your belly button and three fingers deep, if you keep your awareness there you will start feeling the swirling motions of the lower dantian. Most people's channels are a mess so becoming aware of the lower dantian tends to come accompanied by shooting pains in the peripheral channels, typically down the legs and the groin area.It doesn't matter if you can only keep your awareness there for a few seconds at a time, if it dissipates or moves, take it there again. Set some time to do this each day, you should be able to feel the dantian from day one if you dedicate at least 20 minutes to the practice, that's not the hard part.
>>39130309>you are being ravaged by le demons bro you just don't feel it but it was real in my mind!Abrahamists are beyond pathetic.
>>39130375>Most people's channels are a mess so becoming aware of the lower dantian tends to come accompanied by shooting pains in the peripheral channels, typically down the legs and the groin areaThis begs an obvious question: what to do next? Can I already play around with my energy or do I need to go higher and unlock everything to avoid being fucked up?
>>39130698You can play around with your qi even without cultivating an awareness of your lower dantian, in fact i became aware of my qi before i did of my lower dantian. Of course, it's not wise to push it to and "store" it in places when you're at this level, you will get burned doing this, which has happened to me a few times.My recommendation is that you cultivate the awareness of your lower dantian to the point where you can clearly feel it by just turning your awareness in that direction, with no effort. At that point you'll have been keeping your awareness there for a while as practice and you'll have also naturally expanded it into the peripheral channels, which means you will be able to feel them and notice if there's anything wrong with them. You want to cultivate this awareness throughout your body's channels before starting to push qi around, so you don't do it completely blindly.
>>39130864Thanks.
>>39130698There are various ways to open the channels, so the correct method would be to follow your intuition and trust the process. Almost any system incorporates the principles of yijin jing and xisui jing. While the scripture of marrow washing is actually a xiantian level technique, tendon changing can be employed at beginner-intermediate level to open channels and build up the myofascia layer so there's better connection between subtle and physical body. https://drive.google.com/file/d/1aFpE1p-S3nZn4sgxJdmxB29XDArt3ex5/view?usp=sharing
>>39130913Nice, thank you for the read. I've just began reading this author's other book (8 basic qi-gong exercises). Mainly I'm doing it to try and get into energy manipulation, acting from the premise that everything is saturated with some kind of energy which can be acted upon with will/awareness to various ends, many of which are considered impossible nowadays. So I figured that I should first learn to feel and control the energy in my own body, then in others, then proceed to "inanimate" things. I have no idea where exactly this will get me though. I tend to rely on my intuition, but sometimes without knowledge additional obstacles arise, so I prefer to stay informed, except for when it's time to stray off the beaten path.
>>39130968Intuition is more important in these matters than you think. There will come a time in practice where you will not be able to access information that is not already ingrained in your practice and very being as basic foundation, so what you lack, you have to make up on the fly. Beyond knowledge is wisdom, intuition is part of it.
>>39130671I’m a Taoist. I’ll demonstrate my Taoist morality with the worst curse you’ll ever experience in your life.
>>39131243My curses are me. If that's the limit of your power, I can only laugh.
>>39128847Here's one version:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c_EycxnmccYNot Daoist but neighboring on it.Idk if it works, it did SOMETHING but then things got a bit chaotic socially and I ended up where I started.
>>39131282We’ll see how long you’ll be laughing.
>>39131351You won't be around that long to see.
>>39131358I failed to mention some call me the Dragon Emperor and others call me Jesus. Your goose is cooked.
>>39131380But I wanted a turkey... Is this your terrible curse, o Goose Emperor?
>>39131397You won’t make Thanksgiving.
>>39131420Truly woe is upon me.
>>39131420four score is upon you
>>39131501Four score and seven years ago our fathers brought forth, upon this continent, a new nation, conceived in liberty, and dedicated to the proposition that "all men are created equal."
>>39131507four score= 420= time times and half a time (makes peace sign) 12+12(2)+12/2=42 = H20
>>39130370>There is no secret, you need to learn to separate shen(spirit) and qi. Wherever mind goes, qi flows, so in essence, your Spirit or innate nature or receptive awareness needs to remain in the upper dantian, while the mind needs to sink along with the qi to the lower dan tian below the navel. But how do you do that in practical terms? What is receptive awareness versus shen which is responsible for mind directing that awareness? Which dantian you concentrate on consciously and how do you the, while concentrating, let your mind sink into the other?>Couldn't actually describe the exercises even if I wanted to.Considered recording a vid then? Because otherwise it's not really helpful and people will go for other explanations/ways mentioned ITT.
>>39129140It has to be done in steps. What is your current understanding level and I will try and help if I can, but it's not something that is easy to pick up by reading.
>>39128863isnt the potential energy fixed because of gravity and your mass
>>39131546Second part meant at >>39129039
>>39131554Briefly explain your current breathing method, intent and focus practice method and you movement practice. ie any seated or standing postures that your doing.
>>39131605>current breathing methodhold your breath as long as you canbreathing means thinking
>>39131671he's wants to feel his dan tien not wu ji.
>>39131690>wu jiway upjaçanaimpala
>>39130698I have been trying to pull actual energy practices from Chinese stuff for a while but most schools seem to just refuse to put any hard good stuff in You guys got anything
>>39130968semiconductors
>>39131671>breathing means thinkingthe turbulence generated by the air in the passageways ultimately begets random thoughtsbreathing silently denies the potential for them to form (eventually, with practice)
>>39132152did you learn about sinking chi to dan tien?
>>39132152stillness enhances amplitude capacityphysical things build it, this is why gentle dantien compressions with breathingyin and yang in harmony create the highest amplitudes
>>39132437>breathing silently denies the potential for them to form (eventually, with practice)feels nice
>>39129429a little bit of what ^ anon said. Also it's like telling someone who want's to accomplish the highest God level jazz skill in music.like... not only is it not possible to condense a lifetime of study and experience in a fucking paragraph on 4chan, the internal arts are so subtle and demanding that without proper guidance, community, teaching, and intent you are all but guaranteed to get nowhere fast. anyone who is "accomplished" will tell you to go find a teacher. and anyone who is not would do well to heed such instruction.Sincerely, -a beggar who was smart enough to listen
>>39129140cultivating male sexual energy by mantak chiathere is also female version
>>39132578>how to get bigger muscles bros>just lift bro>how to train my qi and qi stuff bros?>ummm that's actually a really really hard question anon you better travel to china, find a kung fu 120yrd old gigakung fu sensei wash his underpants for 5 years, make him every meal, clean his apartment everyday and maybe, maybe he will reveal to you how to sit down on ass, breathe, meditate, practice horse stance and do some qigong okay? Don't miss a step that's very dangerous my pop works in nintendo and some guy tried to do kamehameha without proper training(5years underpants washing) and it blew his hands off!you are always so useless, at this point white boomer moms training taichi in parks would be more useful. Or chinese lady from massage parlor.
>>39131546I am also curious. Step by step explanation/instruction would be great.In fact, let me ask anons - how many of you giving suggestions actually managed to activate any dantian? And the real one, not the fake, transitory thing that fades when you don't concentrate on it? Can any of you who posted or plan to post any advice actually did it or just passes along unverified info. And if you did, how far along you are - can you actually do some supposedly simple things with active dantian like painlessly zap people touching you?
>>39132578>like... not only is it not possible to condense a lifetime of study and experience in a fucking paragraph on 4chan, the internal arts are so subtle and demanding that without proper guidance, community, teaching, and intent you are all but guaranteed to get nowhere fast.There is a difference between expecting whole of an art to be condensed into a short infographics on 4chan and asking for simple guide into one of the beginner milestones, which development of lower dantian to store qi is supposed to be for anyone willing to go further than basic qi-coursing exercises for some health.
>>39131546An Shen Zu QiaoBring your awareness behind the eyes until spirit gathers substantially, then keep it there. Once locked in, you can send your intention to the abdomen, but only paying slight attention, not full on blasting it with concentration. By spreading your intent in the lower abdomen, you activate the abdominal wall by relaxing muscle strain around the pelvis, lower back and bellybutton/diaphragm. In time breath will become bottled, meaning the sensation of breathing in the lower abdominal cavity will be expanding from perineum into the lower back and abdomen, as though filling a bottle. True vitality starts to rise from huiyin point at the perineum and moves to the lower dantian, this is managed by the movement of the perineum itself and should be natural with every breath. Relaxing the pelvic floor is important, lower dan tian has a "suction" as though it is attached to the perineum, so every breath cycle it will contract and expand it slightly, gathering energy in the process.Practice more, read less. There's a level of subtlety to this that comes with constant practice, your natural awareness grows within the stillness and emptiness.
>>39134236Have you managed to activate dantian with these instructions? To the point that you have something more substantial than vague impression, as in, are able to do however tiny, but objectively verifiable "supernatural" deeds? Or are you merely passing along something you've learned the theory of elsewhere?
>>39134761And just for clarification, I don't want to throw shade but I have concerns >>39133958 does - plenty of anons on /x/ are giving advice but are hypocritically unable to benefit from their own advice, whatever they say either untested or outright fradulent, no matter their own good intentions.
>>39131546>Considered recording a vid then?Why would I do that? What exactly would I get out of disclosing a 3000yo secret on the internet?>Because otherwise it's not really helpfulIt is helpful in the way of showing you what to expect from authentic practices. Once you understand what's incorrect out there and why, you have much less chances of spending decades doing something that gives you no concrete progress and wasting your time.
>>39133972>simple guide into one of the beginner milestonesthis is another western misunderstanding actually. The beginner levels are the most difficult to come by and the most important part of the whole process because if this part is not correctly done, nothing after it works. Most people who actually know the real stuff will never tell you because they are probably under some oath not to divulge this wstuff to people outisde their school and would undermine their money making as people who actually have real power from neigong get millions of dollars from it,Even John Chang, who wasn't allowed to take money directly, was treating Asian royalty and used that influence to become an industry leader in Indonesia
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>>39134783>Why would I do that? What exactly would I get out of disclosing a 3000yo secret on the internet?Help and guidance for others, especially in face of an art that's fading? Sure, sure, I am sure many masters will hide somewhere to possesively clutch their secrets, be it out of fear of misuse, some sort of "divine mandate" elitism or pure ol' greed and wanting to be above others, but China already had times and events leading to loss of many supposedly beneficial and functional knowledge, to the point that nowadays even many Chinese themselves don't believe there's much to it but some exercises with mystical fluff and healing practices as much based on placebo effect as anything else.On top of that, I'd ask you to recognize that those secrets don't seem that secret (in that people who are interested have vague idea what's there, they just struggle to get there without issues a'la Mopai folks setting their own pants on fire due to practice of now largely dead tradition with incomplete material). Even if the issue is greed and jealous clinging to one's secrets so the plebs won't get that cool thing that is YOURS (my preciousss), you won't tell me that that thousands years old sacred art is so shallow than the basic milestone allowing one to do anything, like formation of dantian, and techniques following it that'd help one live simpler, healthier life makes the whole thing cheap and threatened somehow, I hope?>It is helpful in the way of showing you what to expect from authentic practices. Once you understand what's incorrect out there and why, you have much less chances of spending decades doing something that gives you no concrete progress and wasting your time.But to spend time doing correct things and progress, you also need to provide workable info on how to do things right. Elimination through the process of saying what doesn't work works only in a limited pool of choices and as you can see - there's plenty of takes on every single element.
>>39134800>this is another western misunderstanding actually. The beginner levels are the most difficult to come by and the most important part of the whole process because if this part is not correctly done, nothing after it works.It doesn't change the fact that assuming the art is not shallow, the wealth of knowledge comes after the beginning part. The beginning, as it is fundamental, may be vital. that is easily understandable and hardly "western misunderstanding" as it functions the same way in many western fields of pursuit, both spiritual and mundane. I'd argue it's because it's first important, vital milestone that puts things into perspective and provides one chance for any further development as well as recognition of the art and the value it represents - it's important to have that part be done the best way it's possible and why any individual caring to help out of care and their own spiritual attainment would try to help others do it as well as they can given the circumstances and lack of access to the same opportunities etc said individual had.
>>39134906>in face of an art that's fadingIt's not fading at all, it's just exceedingly rare. And that's by design. It's never been something for the masses and never will it be. >you won't tell me that that thousands years old sacred art is so shallow than the basic milestone allowing one to do anything, like formation of dantian,You keep calling it basic but you misunderstand it. It takes around 3-5 years to activate the dantian.Just to activate it, as in being able to work with it q when before it was inaccessible. The process to cultivate it(making it stronger and able to generate and hold qi, can take in excess of 15 years. And the process of activation and cultivation are inextricably linked. The ""basic"" process is like 70% of all the neidan work. Without it, none of the advanced stuff does anything, none of the concentation, meditation, energy movement via Yi does anything. You can basically say that this "basic" stuff is the core of the neidan process. And it does much more than just helping you live healthier. Once this is completed you should be able to do 80% of what John Chang did on video. Someone with 2-3 years of this "basic" training can already emit electric qi with a help of a master. The electric emission by yourself IS the sign of a developed, active dantian. So it has exactly the same warning signs as the Mopai stuff does, basically because every authentic neidan school will develop along the same lines Mopai does, they'll just call the internal processes differently.
>>39134945>the wealth of knowledge comes after the beginning partthat is a mistake. The "advanced" part is a precipitation of something that happens on its own but slower during the "basic" part.
>>39134906>>39134906Accept it. Concentrate on something else. Most such anons will hoard the knowledge because however divine it may be, their attitude doesn't come from the same virtuous place.As times change, belief and understanding, the culture does as well, yet those practitioners are stuck in approach of their predecessors from those thousands of years ago, when similar things were seen very differently and access to them looked differently as well..I wonder if when they'll let their arts die and become nothing but a random set of cryptic tidbits and a tool of tiny pockets of envious hoarders of power and knowledge, those "masters" of theirs will be able to face their own before them and claim they did the right thing or will they just shrug as if the loss didn't matter and that their secret art was really nothing but a bauble used to make oneself feel better and above fellow man when they were alive.
>>39135007>The "advanced" part is a precipitation of something that happens on its own but slower during the "basic" partDoesn't change my point: either the knowledge is much greater than the beginner's milestone and there's far more than said beginning point, with it being only a small part of it, no matter how important it is for the future.or It is shallow enough that for all the claims of its profoundness and depth the beginning point is really all that's truly vital about it, with the rest being of lesser importance, and that's why it's so jealously guarded.
>>39135024Arguably, if that's the case it deserves to die as it already turns into such since those ancient times - something a bunch of mystics kept to themselves and their favorited close ones to maintain an edge over everyone else, rather than a tool for people in general to understand and be capable of more.
>>39135052>all the claims of its profoundness and depthwho claims that? What depth do you expect from it exactly? It's a series of exercises that unlocks an internal process that's not available normally. It's a biohack. The process works in steps and every single step is vital in the sense that the next steps don't work if the previous steps are not completed. This leads to total control of the generation and manipulation of the internal energies and, presumably, to being able to shed this mortal coil and live as a energy being. But the processes are simple, there is no great depth to it, you just do the same exercises over and over again, for decades and every few years you just add another exercise to the existing ones. There is no great sensations, no living like you're in a constant dmt trip, the immortals don't come to talk to you, you just find after a while you can do something you couldn't before and that's it.
>>39135081>who claims that? What depth do you expect from it exactly?I regularly kept hearing and reading characterization of the whole thing as an art of great providence and understanding of intricate, hidden aspects of reality. In fact, that's pretty much the most common excuse of various gurus for why it shouldn't be shared - because it's a great divine gift, only for the worthy.If it's just a biohack kept for the sake of being better than the other guy, all those masters and practitioners claiming differently, waxing philosophy and spirituality about it are full of shit and just putting on airs and I agree with >>39135079 - it's all the better that mundane technology already went further than what such practitioners can do (barring claims of extraordinary that somehow no one can prove or demonstrate) and the art itself deserves to die as there's no reason to keep it from those willing to pursue it for any other reason than to be the one with the advantage while others aren't due to not having same circumstances, favor of the ones already "in" or contacts among them.
>ITT: Qigong/neidan practitioners claiming to have managed to get somewhere convince others it's unfair and it'd be better if we'd get more purges of suchCommunist China did nothing wrong and the outcome of Boxer Rebellion was deserved and should be repeated, I guess?
>>39135115>understanding of intricate, hidden aspects of reality.If I can tell that my jing is low because on a particular day I can't generate normal amounts of qi, does that count?What if I can extend an electric field that interacts with the normal electric field of another person and as such say where he has illness in his body?Do those fall within that category? What the ancients considered intricate hidden aspects of reality are very different from what you might consider.Neidan is without a doubt a biohack. You awaken an internal process and slowly make it more prominent and easy to access. This leads to generation and manipulation of energy within your body. And this energy is not some magical otherworldly energy, is the energy of the physical body, the same as the energy you generate when you exercise or eat a good meal or feel emotions.The only real thing that you could consider otherworldy is the Ascencion to xiantian but I've lived in China for more than 20years, I think, and haven't yet met a master even close to this mythical milestone. I heard stories but stories are not facts.>>39135115>because it's a great divine gift, only for the worthyI don't know if it's divine or not, but the masters have the prerogative who to entrust with this power. You can kill, other or yourself, besides healing people.>common excuse of various gurusyeah, people whith no actual progress or realization will often claim it's magical because they have an excuse to not demonstrate anything."I can't demonstrate, its magical and the stars haven't aligned for me to show you the power of my system". Such magical ability that I can measure it on myself with a voltmeter>waxing philosophyphilosophical daoism is a different branch from alchemical. You can make philosophies about anything, even about things you have no direct experience in. That's why everyone can quate from Daodejing and appear profound on the internet
>>39135081If it's just a biohack there's no reason for it to be held back from anyone with discipline and will to pursue it aside from selfishness, need to be above others or profit from it on part of the person holding the secret to it, just like how it is with "mundane" training regimes, martial arts or technologies - harder or easier to understand, but more or less available to everyone, except when someone wants to keep them for personal benefit over that of others.
>>39135201>If it's just a biohack there's no reason for it to be held back from anyone with discipline and will to pursue it aside from selfishnessYes, correct. Why do you expect that masters should be slefless? I said this before, they make millions of dollars monthly from this uncommon ability, why would they make their knowledge widely known?Masters have great financial incentives to keep to themselves while students, if they want to keep receiving training from the masters, also have the incentive to not tell.Look what happened to Jim, the moment he started teaching John decided he doesn't want to teach westerners anymore.The paralel with a martial art is very apt, this is exactly like that. Maybe very advanced, almost ascended masters are some kind of saints, but those are even hidden in the mountains or the monasteries, the people willing to teach, like John Chang or Jian Feng, are very much normal humans with a few extra abilities, they're not some holy men
>>39135188>I don't know if it's divine or not, but the masters have the prerogative who to entrust with this power. You can kill, other or yourself, besides healing people.As you can with many modern technologies, yet they're available and you still don't see people microwaving each other on the regular (and you can build a device for it with a study of publicly available materials and assembly of parts you can buy legally online) or forcefully injecting their enemies with intentionally-lethally dosed meds. Usually those holding such prerogatives only do so because they got there first, they worry that particular technology will mess with them and they want to hold control over it.Meaning there's no mandate of heaven or other divine will behind it, simple "the trick is mine and gives me an edge so I decide who will get it to use as I believe/teach it should be used". It's really understandable and can be even done with good intentions but since I don't know those masters, as far as I am concerned they're just like "mundane" rich and influential people with mundane means of helping and fucking others up, just more fear those others will get similar means to decide for themselves what to do with such.
>>39133462dont post mantak chia, everdont ever do his exercises, esp the sexual onesentire forums sprang up to help out the people who harmed themselves with his shit
>>39135226>Why do you expect that masters should be slefless? I said this before, they make millions of dollars monthly from this uncommon ability, why would they make their knowledge widely known?Again, that's the claims of masters themselves and their students. Divine art, greater understanding, spiritual growth, yadda yadda.If there's nothing to it, I reiterate - it's good it's getting obsolete compared to mundane, freely available tech and dying in general. It deserves to.
>>39134761I've had a dantian for more than half my lifetime and have reaped the benefits. At mu current level, it's fairly difficult to formulate the way I have cultivated up to where I am as higher practices do not translate well to basic understanding, the energy itself is different. The embryonic breath of the lower dan tian and most practice is completed spontaneously when the conditions are met. In order to have a systematic approach, one needs to understand the manifestantions of qi in the 12 double hours and the firing times of the 8 hexagrams, these are positions within the body, as well as varying levels of 'fire's or intent employed in the process. That is mostly the reason why you need a teacher to observe your practice and point out what is happening at the moment, otherwise the process can be very confusing. It's less confusing if the conditions for xuan guan tobopen are met, one is able to perceive the correct instruction intuitively. Just as a teacher can point things with direct transmission of qi, the energy of gated consciousness can bring about direct instructions by positioning the body and regulating subtle movement in the breath, posture and internal movements, which allows energy to move freely and refine itself. This is the goal of initial practice, when you get to this stage, you have all the instruction that you'll ever need.
>>39135259>the trick is mine and gives me an edge so I decide who will get it to use as I believe/teach it should be usedYes, that is without a doubt a big component of it. There are also vows to the school and older masters as well as the fact that they don't want to teach those things to westerners in particular because they think we suck.Such is life, you can't always get what you want. And trust me, when you do get it, your Robin Hood attitude you have now about stealing from the rich masters and giving to the poor will fade as well, if for no other reason than the effort you had to get through to get this knowledge. Once you invest so much time, money and effort into something you kind of don't want it to give it to others for free
>>39135266>Again, that's the claims of masters themselves and their studentsNone of the masters that can actually demonstrate that they have realizations that I met in Asia ever pretended to be some sort of saints. They can help you sometimes for free but I have seen with my own eyes master Jiang Feng telling a man with cancer that if he doesn't have 45k to buy some dan from him and start a treatment, he would die. When he said he doesn't have that type of money, he just sad "that's sad" and moved to the next patient. The conflation of neidan masters with holy men has nothing to do with reality, I'm not even gonna get into how daoist morality is very different from what Christian based western morality is.
>>39134761ntahe aint far off>>39134781asking for closely guarded secrets is a crapshootpick up adam misner's latest bookif you dont master breathwork then the rest of your training wont be deep enoughthere's some fag around that always disagrees with me on this, but he's wrong on that otherwise he'd be secluded off in bali or somewhere doing real work
>>39134995>It's never been something for the masses and never will it be.it would be great if the times of thoth would return here
>>39135081>There is no great sensationsif one is not driven to sheer awe and wonder at the things that take place,guess what, this means your practice is shallow and you are getting nowhere
>>39135188>I don't know if it's divine or not,there's plenty of mention in the old writings that indicate spiritual power is not divinely granted, it can only be individually cultivated
>>39135226chang and jiang, both ded from doing it wrong
>>39135299>$1k for herbs>$44k for jiang's pocketfar as I'm concerned that dude got what he deserved for overcharging ridiculous and living so lavishly from using his powerif he were a real person he'd have figured out something the guy could have afforded
>>39135320that is incorrect in the case of Chang and partially incorrect in the case of Feng. Chang died from being 87, falling and hitting his head. Jiang died from doing a very rare type of qi emission that can regenerate tissue. In that particular case he regenerated a patients heart that had a few months to live. Such emission usually require at least half a year of pause after doing it, but he chose to do it without fully recovering knowing that it might kill him. Turns out it did
>>39135226>Yes, correct. Why do you expect that masters should be slefless? I said this before, they make millions of dollars monthly from this uncommon ability, why would they make their knowledge widely known?Why do they care so much about money like the common scammer?
>>39135279>Once you invest so much time, money and effort into something you kind of don't want it to give it to others for freeExcept that logic/parallel doesn't track because apparently I cannot get it no matter what if someone doesn't give it to me in the first place and if I'd "give it" further it also won't be them getting it free because those others will have to practice as well. The only difference is that I am willing to give it others an opportunity while current masters seem to just look out for themselves only while pushing bullshit about it being a spiritual inheritance for humans from the divine.So, nah, it's not like how you assume it is.
>>39135338Why wouldn't they? If you spent 20 years of daily training, most from early childhood, wouldn't you want to charge for what you know? Your average doctor spends less time training than they do.But another simpler explanation is that they have enough students and patients that will pay that without any issues. When I started on this path, I went to Jiangs school but have since moved to another master. Jiangs school had dantian boosting pills, 30k dollars each. They would do batches of 30 and they would sell within the first 3 days. It is what it is.
Do people really believe that:The philosopher Mozi used the word qi to refer to noxious vapors that would eventually arise from a corpse were it not buried at a sufficient depth. He reported that early civilized humans learned how to live in houses to protect their qi from the moisture that troubled them when they lived in caves. He also associated maintaining one's qi with providing oneself with adequate nutrition. In regard to another kind of qi, he recorded how some people performed a kind of prognostication by observing qi (clouds) in the sky.[19]Mencius described a kind of qi that might be characterized as an individual's vital energies. This qi was necessary to activity and it could be controlled by a well-integrated willpower. When properly nurtured, this qi was said to be capable of extending beyond the human body to reach throughout the universe. It could also be augmented by means of careful exercise of one's moral capacities. On the other hand, the qi of an individual could be degraded by adverse external forces that succeed in operating on that individual.[20][page needed]Living things were not the only things believed to have qi. Zhuangzi indicated that wind is the qi of the Earth. Moreover, cosmic yin and yang "are the greatest of qi". He described qi as "issuing forth" and creating profound effects. He also said "Human beings are born [because of] the accumulation of qi. When it accumulates there is life. When it dissipates there is death... There is one qi that connects and pervades everything in the world."[21]The Guanzi essay Neiye (Inward Training) is the oldest received writing on the subject of the cultivation of vapor [qi] and meditation techniques. The essay was probably composed at the Jixia Academy in Qi in the late fourth century B.C.[22]
>>39135357Xun Zi, another Confucian scholar of the Jixia Academy, followed in later years. At 9:69/127[citation needed], Xun Zi says, "Fire and water have qi but do not have life. Grasses and trees have life but do not have perceptivity. Fowl and beasts have perceptivity but do not have yi (sense of right and wrong, duty, justice). Men have qi, life, perceptivity, and yi." Chinese people at such an early time had no concept of radiant energy, but they were aware that one can be heated by a campfire from a distance away from the fire. They accounted for this phenomenon by claiming "qi" radiated from fire. At 18:62/122[citation needed], he also uses "qi" to refer to the vital forces of the body that decline with advanced age.Among the animals, the gibbon and the crane were considered experts at inhaling the qi. The Confucian scholar Dong Zhongshu (ca. 150 BC) wrote in Luxuriant Dew of the Spring and Autumn Annals:[23] "The gibbon resembles a macaque, but he is larger, and his color is black. His forearms being long, he lives eight hundred years, because he is expert in controlling his breathing." ("猿似猴。大而黑。長前臂。所以壽八百。好引氣也。")
>>39135344>I cannot get it no matter what if someone doesn't give it to me in the first placeHave you visited any master, ask to be taught and got refused? Asking on the internet on anime forums doesn't really count
>>39135300>pick up adam misner's latest bookThe only prominent author by this name I can check some work of according to the internet is a sci-fi writer.
>>39135366For reasons I won't share publicly (nothing illegal, more so political), I cannot leave my current country of residence and there's no such masters here, of any kind, yet alone a kind that'd let me see and learn about them to know if they're decent people with some actual skill.
>>39135331>Chang died from being 87new storyline pops up every day, lol>Jiang died from doing a very rare type of qi emission that can regenerate tissue. In that particular case he regenerated a patients heart that had a few months to live.and they get embellished further every day, too
>>39135351I drew the line at pursuing that lineage when I saw what they did to that bull
>>39135376yeah I got that name totally wrong, was thinking of someone else
>>39135422I think every single daoist school has some similar skills of taking jing from animals. Gengmenpai is interesting because they are Buddhists with underlying neidan practices. Extracting jing from animals is weird in a buddhist context but not that weird in a daoist context
>>39135418I haven't been present in any of those cases and when Jiang died I had at least 6-7 years since I wasn't his student anymore. But in Jiang's case that was the explanations that was sent to the channels with this students and patients. Could be nonsense, I don't know, but basically they said he was doing yuan qi emissions without taking the correct measures to recover from them and died right in the middle of one such emission treatment. The Chang story that got distributed on the internet is that he died of cancer, which as far as I know is incorrect. The guy got cancer before dying but that's not what killed him. He died from slipping on the floor, falling and hitting his head.
>>39135435>Extracting jing from animals is weird in a buddhist context but not that weird in a daoist contextits morally reprehensibledoubly so when its being performed by one in a yellow robethen excusing it by saying the bull gets good victim karma for his sacrifice to pump up someone's dantien
>>39135747If I remember correctly, it was done to fix some guy suffering from schizophrenia with suicidal ideation. People eat animals all the time, tcm uses animal parts in most of its medicines, this is not that different. Killing an animal to ingest its essence through eating or taking the essence out directly is pretty much the same thing
We got off-topic.Can anons who aren't dead-set on smelling their own farts but are actually able to help provide more step-by-step guides and information on how to do the stuff like dantian activation and other qi things? Techniques, tricks, advice, things to avoid?
>>39135765no this particular one was done to charge a cultivator's dantien>Killing an animal to ingest its essence through eating or taking the essence out directly is pretty much the same thingmoral equivalence
>>39135799respek ohm's lawthis is why to begin with breathworkin order to discover signals beneath the noise floor, the noise floor must be lowereddantien activation should come as part of mastering breaththe gut will glow or get warm at the internal locationthen it will spread to the whole of the gut, the whole of the torso, the edges of the skin, and finally will push beyond and samahdi will arrive as yin and yang transform into one anothergut focused samahdi manifests a little differently than niwan focused
>>39135803I have seen similar rituals in various schools with different animals. The animals die within seconds and without suffering. I don't think there is anything more morally wrong with it than it is with killing an animal for any other reason. As I said, this is weird within a Buddhist context were the rule to not harm another beings exists.Within Daoism there is no such rule and is not outside their moral code.
>>39135799You need to think really hard about it. And don't forget to breathe while thinking really really hard about it. This technique works 100% of the time
>>39135799You were already give a chance on here.. Anyway you're not going to be able to learn what you're after, you are impatient and your motives are unclear. At least without travel and or paying one of the famous jew teachers a lot of money through one of their online schools.
>qi qi qi qi qi qiayayayayayay can we just say energy that what it means, energy.even worse>qi energylol energy energyenergy, movement, focus, wind, forcewith this qi shit it's always getting people confused and fucosing on semantics instead of progress and training.yin qi, yang qiweak force/energy, strong force/energyqi=psi=prana=breath=mana=orgone=vril=ruah=ru etc.etc.point is you move your electricity in central nervous system with means of breathing exercises, meditation, focus, not moving or repeated moves, chanting, music or repeated sounds and you interact with cerebrospinalfluid production, movement and application.people think mind=brain which is wrongmind is the softwarebrain AND other parts of central nervous system are the hardwaremuscles bones organs etc. are the case, but not only as they also give and take information so psrtly case partly hardware, if we were to describe human system as computer.these are the 3 bodies, flesh, nerves, the one receiving info from the two mentioned.When not moving you forget about flesh.When breathing till cessation of breathing= minimal "background action" without focus you forget about nerves and brain.Then you are left with Who perceives if you forget about past and future what ifs and what nots regrets and hopes and you stay in present then you are the I. Then you can contemplate whatever, load energy, move energy or just be.>how to load energy-"(qi)"you take any hand mudra(hand pose) comfortable even naruto ninja getures work, you sit, you don't move, you relax body, you breathe focus on movement of the abdomen you breathe with abdomen not with lungs throst or nose and you then focus on focusing instesd of bresrhing till you forgrt about breathing.You can visualise energy in forms of water, fire, wind, vapor, electricity, whirls, ball, whateverPassive abdomen breathing relaxed body not moving focus on belly, "chakra"(cirlce, points) or on nothing and doing it as long as you can without thinking
>>39135832>Then you can contemplatecontemplation is not meditationanyone who's made enough progress understands this from an experiential levelthinking consumes the energy potentials required for meditative phenomena to manifestthis directly means that if you are sitting there thinking, it doesnt matter if you're calling it contemplation, you are simply not meditatinginbr but marcus aurelius because semantics and poor translations>even naruto ninja getures workmt myoboku is the first place to go
>>39133856sorry. the simple fact is you don't know what you're talking about and so your opinion of the matter is of little value. If you would act in truth there may be hope for you to learn something.
>>39133958we keep trying to tell you but ya'll don't listen. how many ways can you say "you can't learn it online. go find a legitimate teacher"
>>39129140> Dalits internal alchemy is obviously a legit process/phenomenon[citation needed]
>>39135024look at how you respond to not being spoon fed. look at how the world has conducted itself with "materialist" power. ie technology, sciences, etc.the sad fact is most are simply not ready or worthy. the arts will never disappear as they can be divinely revealed to the worthy.
>>39136118The interest in internal alchemy has been reignited with the Ring of Fire documentary where a chinese man living in Indonesia performed on camera all types of feats that he claimed are achievable through daoist meditation techniques. He was stripped and searched by scientists and later one of his students, Kosta Danaos, an engineer in the Greek army wrote a book about himhttps://youtu.be/TdYM0vNufwc?t=601Since then a few other schools which clam the same type of powers popped up in China, and it seems one of the anons itt implies he is a student of one of those schools
>>39136176>muh mopaiKosta returns to Greece and finds out that that orthodox adepts on mount Athos are just as skilled at alchemy as John Chang, Jesus wins yet again.
>>39136238He was coping after training for a decade with John and being told out of nowhere(or maybe because of Jim being a dumbass)to fuck off to wherever he's from.
>>39136238I actually would tend to believe this. I've been trained in qigong fairly well. I know a catholic monastic who can do things that I can't explain. He told me that he follows the "way of the desert fathers," but he was also stationed in india for a most of his career, so I don't know where he learned his methods.
>>39136291It' fuckin xuan guan, orthodox teachings go straight into dynamic refinement of xiantian qi by starting from xing rather than ming. Cloud of Unknowing=mystery gate.
>>39136138I respond to those who are disappointed and suggest them to look elsewhere for what they seek. And those who claim to have gotten further reinforce my message by saying themselves that those disappointed have no business looking for spiritual development in their traditions without being chosen and allowed to do so by their gurus.Don't project. It makes you look truly sanctimonious wheny you attempt statements statements about someone else being ready or worthy when you have trouble comprehending their simple post.
>>39136238jim was never given permission to teachonce those 2 wrote their books then john had them all fuck off and the whole school closed to westernersthat's why the losers that practice from jim's notes got nowhere, because jim and john were never even able to speak with each other directlyjim's notes are half baked garbage that nobody should ever practice fromonce jim died kosta and the other dude dropped all these practices completelythey were probably told in a few ways not to continue
>>39136442Kosta couldn’t stop nutting that was his biggest issue.
>>39136371>mystery gatewhat if you were in the cloud of unknowing and God started to speak to you. then after a few days of follow ing the spirit he says "don't eay dinner" and you think "ya whatever" and then eat and it leaves- back to the cloud (blackness) then after fasting for three days it returns?
>>39136088contemplation as if taking an object an just thinking about it insides come "by themselves"single pointed meditation is meditation
>>39131565P.E. = mgh
>>39136472The cloud is always there once you know it. The holy spirit is another matter, I have a feeling it's just a deeper level to the cloud and sinful things sorta pull you down and you have to climb back up. I've done some questionable shit and the gate is not always shut, the level of energy coming from the other side varies though.With spirit and without is blessed vs possessed.
>>39136371Dude had some skills anyway. Showed me his breathing method. Just a basic kai h'er with his hands. Seemed to be all shen based, as opposed to an internal orbit. I saw people that didn't know him, would just start crying or freeze in their tracks when they got closed to him. I'm not sure what happened to him, I feel like it became a controversy or something.
>>39135832>can we just say energy that what it means, energy.no because it isn't. syncretism will just cause deviations
>>39136442I think someone gave me that kosta guys book about 20 years ago, I remember at the time thinking to myself that this guy is not in the door at all and this book is cringe. I didn't know he wrote books about his teacher without permission, but that adds up.
>>39137221>Seemed to be all shen basedExactly, refine innate nature(xing) first to bring out yin shen(logos in christianily, also Jesus) and follow whatever instruction that you get. It's the real deal.His achievement and willpower is to be respected, being "instructed" by holy spirit is enough to drive you mad.
>>39137381Thank you anon, that is fascinating and gives me much to think about, though a bit out of my lane. This man is indeed to be respected and had a very fierce side, but he was also big on the heart centre. By contrast, my own teacher was big on the celestial eye and the practices I learned are geared around that end..burning impurities from the mind being the first stage and main practice. You would probably be interested to know that this master, part of the displaced Chinese aristocracy, converted at the end of his life. I've met one other master that was familiar with my original teachers methods. He said that the final stage on that path is so utterly lonely that one must either have tremendous personal energy(implying that I didn't) or that he must have a strong relationship with God. This gentleman was also very far removed from Christianity culturally so I thought that curious at the time. As far as my own spirituality, I lost my faith with the scandals in my parish, which were heinous beyond belief, and after much reluctance and thought as well as taking what was put in my path tI became a follower of a living chan/taoist master. though I havn't made much progress in that area.
>>39136494>contemplation as if taking an object an just thinking about it insides come "by themselves"yup, I was just saying that people should not conflate this with meditation, the real work that forms the basis for success in these endeavors.not that thinking about life or things is bad, just dont distract meditation time with it.
>>39137381>being "instructed" by holy spirit is enough to drive you mad.yeah, egregores can be powerful
