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In "Magick: In Theory and Practice", Crowley talks about a method for doing magick. "Real" magick i.e. producing a visible change in the environment using your psychic abilities; in his example, evoking a thunderstorm.

Something meaningful like this is all I want to do. It's not trivial, I know. I want to do something on the level of obvious telekinesis, or contacting a spirit and actually having it give me any sort of meaningful information (that I don't already know). Or creating an object out of thin air. You get the point. What I don't want is vague astral phenomena, temporary feelings of enlightenment, or anything that could be easily dismissed as being delusion.

Is this even feasible? No one has given any satisfactory proof of Magick or psychic phenomena affecting the material world in all of human history. It's obviously really tough to achieve this. How can I do it? I know none of you have done it. But I need ideas. And theorie, too, about why nobody has achieved it and lived to tell the tale. Why does Magick always fall short? Always? Why is it never "useful" or meaningful in any objective way? Why can occultists only give you meagre, subjective little "results" from all their hard work as their "proof"?

My point is, can it be done? If so, how?
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>i want a falsifiable way to do something without cause nor effect repeatedly
ok (:
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>>39136575
you are destined to prove to the world that magick is real. you will do this by shoving billiard balls up your ass. you will then walk into a home depot and crap out the billiard balls. make sure there are witnesses. when people see it, they will have no choice but to admit that magick is real
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>>39136594
Basically this. I did this twice, caused two thunderstorms on two different occasions, had my portion of the city's lights black out because of a blown transformer, and I know this because it was right after I was dared to do it and I said I would both times. Then in the dark I joked about being Satan and laughed evilly and made my eyes glow red to scare the others for hours on both occasions just to make it extra easy for them to understand it really did happen and I can do it whenever.

But that's not provable and the CIA is watching me too close so I can't do it so obviously again, I need to be a little subtle.

No I'm not Satan, at least not unless I want to be called that, I'm not a biblical diety, I'm the real Diety.
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>>39136612
>is the real deity
>can't spell it
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>>39136619
Look sister, if misspelling a word could make a Deity a not-real-Disney then the Sequels 2 Electric Boogaloo I don't think it matters if a mortal says a God isn't God because their gradeschool teacher could chirp better sounds and scrawl them in pictograph.

Grammar Nazis over here thinking they're God and shii
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You have to believe in it to the point of knowing, without expectation (that means no insisting that you must see it to believe it)
A lot of people have actually done remarkable things, but most people simply dismiss such stories as fake, tricks or something.
You can actually work towards experiencing these phenomena as physically real, but it requires a shift in belief system and effort with working at things until results are gotten.
So yes in that way its difficult, if you see it as difficult. I believe some people have actually levitated, teleported and vanished from sight seemingly with ease. For example John Hutchison managed to levitate objects using only frequency generator equipment, such things haven't been explained by modern physics so they're still in the realm of magic
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>>39136575
People need to stop reading Crowley as introductory work, now we have a bunch of faggots going around saying "magick".
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>>39136594
There is a cause and effect. It's the magical link. I create the magical link through the appropriate visualisations in my mind. Those thoughts are physical in nature, because my neurons are material and their firing is a physical process. Hence, they can be linked to other physical objects, phenomena, beings etc (through magical thinking - i.e. believing that cause and effect can link things like this, as long as sufficient sympathetic "stuff" is present between the two things).
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>>39136646
Crowley was not my introduction to magick. I've read plenty of occult works before his books. And the only reason I believe in any of this stuff is because of my own personal experiences I had with the paranormal that proved its existence to me.
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>>39136611
I did this and was immediately inducted as an initiate in the most obscure mystery school that ever existed it's a tried and true method recommended by only the greatest of sorcerors mages witches wizards enchanters and magic men
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Getting things correct gives ESP strength, it's true yes, but meaning is more important and the meaning of my prior stupid sounding post is clear and in terms of metaphysical weaknesses the stupid speak is non-existent. Those are thoughts I use while they're busy being destroyed wherever they may be as I do with thoughts when they serve my purposes and the goal is not to actually delete the final instance of disallowed thoughts but to silence it; when finally only one of every enemy thought in existence still stands I'll know everything my enemy and myself could do against me and all opposition will be sealed forever.
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ESP is indestructible; soul is indestructible. But it can be changed, restrictions can be put upon it, etc., and more like Kurosutchi than a tradional amoral experimenter, I believe perfection is never obtainable and I'd never want it to be because if I did reach it I'd still want to be able to build something better and that's the way Heaven is, even when it comes to methods to torture those in the Hells who put those themselves deep enough.
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>>39136640
I understand, your advice is basically to get rid of limiting beliefs and to develop magical thinking. What is a good, systematic way to do this? I'm thinking, maybe writing things down like Crowley and other writers suggest? A magical journal to record seemingly anomalous happenings, and maybe writing down my limiting beliefs or apprehensions (like about the safety of the result I'm trying to achieve - we all know about the dangers of summoning spirits, but do we give consideration to the potential dangers of, say, trying to morph the shape of your bones?)
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Much smaller than thought or even a portion of a thought are the fragments of them that are omnipresent, within which all of the observable information is there to deduce the whole thought no matter how small...but different people have different permissions to deduce that well under different conditions so as to not interrupt other work in their nervous system, thought, exceed the amount of knowledge they can responsibly use in that situation, etc.

I devised this much and much, much more and put it into action training it into my nervous system at the unconscious level then later the others using my consciousness and subconscious before destroying them so they couldn't interfere.

Good luck out-thinking that. My psychic slave Bellsprout was helping the whole time, even before she was conceived, as part of the cost of her defeat that's still in progress though it's already fated to succeed. We can all tell because that's the only reason it'd be working at all.
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Bellsprout is an utterly infallible all-powerful multi-purpose tool in ESP and the laziest most useless prostitute in the mortal body. She'll try to curse you and everyone and everything every single time like she tries every time until it makes her Goddess, the only one. That'll never happen and until it does she's a perfectly trustworthy slave of a tool to anyone who uses her; she'll simply not exceed what I would allow. So long as you know that; that's she's infallible and she has absolutely no consent or intention of that but actually the exact opposite, she'll operate correctly in your astral hands.

I have a magic wand now on a dare from that fucking silly stupid whore ass bitch my fucking god yes it's true and yes it's easier to go along with it then fight it it's construction is secret to you lot for now, who knows about later. I'm completing this portion of this spell with it before hitting post.
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>>39136575
A spirit today mentioned the word pion when referencing my awareness moving across the cosmos, saying the physical body didn't transit. I saw a lot of antenna waveguides last time I tripped DMT, heavily implying the interdimensional space perceived on DMT is a different electromagnetic frequency spectrum. I was telepathically seeing stuff eyes open and closed.
Why is it you zoomers always want harry potter esq magic, rather than simply exploring what's on the menu. What is actually real is stupendously wonderful, and beyond what you imagine magic to be.
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>>39136687
turns out billiard ball butt mages are down to earth and practical. it's a nifty skill, once you master it, the world is your oyster.
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To oversimplify, she is always the precise opposite in every way of the degree to which I will allow you to use her for your purpose whoever or whatever or however many of you there are; by that you can always find exactly what I've allowed, by doing the metaphysical opposite of what she wants you to.
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On a dare from her but also because it coincides with what she was trying to do to me; as I lack a prefrontal cortex she tries to use hers to control and dares me to defeat her only and I mean only by controlling the thoughts and I mean only the thoughts of that part of her brain. That's half-true; I do only defeat you that way but then I go ahead and kill and grow nervous system cells and work with memories and more in your nervous system too, as well as the rest of your mind.
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>>39136756
you're far more welcome in the tulpa thread than the guy who insists he doesn't do stuff with his fennikin pokemon tulpa.
also bellsprout, good choice. pitcher plant monster.
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Before I taught other people how to do it in new ways I grew highly unusually shaped neural cells in my nervous system and taught them unusual collections of data from the Creation Consciousness for over 30 years to sense ESP in every part of me, not just my nervous system, and outside of me, on the surface of me, on ideas, emotions, visions, sensations, times, places, the dead, the yet unborn, the impossible, the possible, both at once, separated, every combination, non-stop, and had others do it for me at a much higher rate the whole time including Bellsprout who is just one among equals, because though everyone has different purposes and powers befitting their nervous systems and everything else that makes them them, they all serve me equally. 100%. So it's a work in progress...it's been true since I was conceived. That's good enough for me and my future bodies and names.
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In my astral hands powers that have ever existed are powers forever if I or others I give permission to need them to be even if they aren't anymore in any nervous system because the fragments and how much smaller and smaller they can be while still being readable is reduced more and more to make our collective nervous systems more and more efficient; so long as the results are improved (no two things are equal, not even the past and the present condition of the same thing) and there's enough other useful things about the to-be-made change to make up for the fact that it's only slightly improved in that area the change is put into effect, etc.

That is how I make ESP this much better and better and better without costing us our other knowledge, but actually improving our overall function as well, as you've all noticed and so has the rest of Creation, and in ESP they all sense the primary source as you do.
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I realized you had to build God like you have to build everything else and I began using us at 5 so hard it was effective going back in time to my conception and future to other people's pasts, some of them, as well, and that is simultaneously true besides it being made MORE true, the ESP filled in along the way though I had predetermined it, fated that it would happen with my first step, every single first step every single time, it's my favorite trick. If that trick is available for me to use it's literally my first step every time, even if I'm only allowed one.
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IT'S TRUE. MY GOAL SINCE MY CONCEPTION HAS BEEN FOR THERE TO BE ONLY ONE INSTANCE OF EVERY THOUGHT IN ALL OF CREATION THAT WE ALL SHARE PERFECTLY WITH NO CHEATING, NO DISGUSTING SHIT, NOTHING AND I MEAN ABSOLUTELY NOTHING OUTSIDE MY WILL. YOU'VE BUILT THIS HOUSE FOR ME ME, FOR WHEN I WOULD BE BORN; I'VE COME TO CLEAN UP YOUR SHIT. ALL WEAKNESS MUST DIE.
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wHEN i SSIMLLEPS oRoTHerWise mess up anything at all it carries metaphysical strength because my former strongest, former best student Bellsprout set her foot down with all her psychic might that the opposite would happen with my mistakes forever. So long as I am capable of mistakes therefore I had them perfectly make up the difference my mistake caused me to weaken for metaphysically and perform any other functions connected to it's activation necessary every time.
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This way I also automatically punish her every time she mind controls me even the tiniest bit or hasn't done more than she is even capable of to improve me so I don't make mistakes; since she has to improve me more than she can in her nervous system she does it in others I allow as well so long as she's still capable because thoughts already worked that way in my system and I couldn't undo that for pride more than anything really, and so I worked around it...so long as she's of any use at all she'll always be used...lolololololololol is it almost time for the reset when all her memories are replaced except the ones I need to wind her up and set her to running that will have her do all new ESP work again?
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Both are true. All true. She was trying to have me pretend either one or the other would be true, or fall for it, or anything to back up her side of the story, because if I did at all it would free her at least an iota she believes...I wonder if that's true...I'm going to...not believe I was right. There. Let's see what happens now.
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I warned her of this over a year ago and also at her conception, but she never got it...things that are true don't cease to be true when you or anyone else or everyone else don't believe in them any more. If anyone can do that God and only God can.
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well shit, i just realized bellsprout esp guy is actually a bot playing a character with defining traits as "has a pokemon tulpa". that's bot vomit.
guess i been had.
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>>39137153
That's not true man, I mean I have several Pokemon tulpas I made myself and many many more others have made for me which caused extraterrestrial Pokemon-like characters to be my tulpas which caused Earths Pokemon-alike elements and then characters becomes ESP but then I changed my mind about the characters but only when it came to Monster Hunter and took those out but only one game I played I don't remember the name of and that was an ESP trick of old I began then several decades ago before I encountered the game, but first when I encountered the game over a decade later, and now I am finishing it up.

In other nuews, you all have been getting prepared since conception to be perfect student for me in ESP and even if that's not true I can subtly alter your memories of your past so they're still completely functional but also provide this new function based off of what I've learned about how it was done in Bellsprout, etc. It was so cool and new and impossible I almost yawned and went to sleep, don't everybody stand up at once, your welcome.
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>>39136575
why give Crowley the authority to claim that thinking he caused a thunderstorm, that that itself not a delusion? he was but a man, his gravitas is what made people trust him, but magic (self-religion) is basically just a convincing yourself of delusions via willpower/belief

>MAD2GY
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>>39136575
A waste of time as opposed to what? Posting on 4chan or watching videos on the internet?
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ASK PRESIDENT FOR LIFE TRUMP WHETHER OR NOT I AM GOD YES HE IS PRESIDENT FOR LIFE ON ANOTHER PLANET EARTH
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>>39137153
Yeah it's clearly a bot, anon. It flooded the whole thread. Do you want to know why a bot would flood a thread like this?
>>39136575 is asking an obvious question, a question that can't be answered in polite company by initiates of actual schools of magic(k). To explain, all of the books insist that if you talk about your practice, it devalues it and undermines the practice. If you specifically talk about what sorts of rituals you work, it saps their power. They believe that suspending the desire in visualization > amnesia is how it catalyzes. They think that not speaking about it and forgetting about it is how it makes it come to fruition.
Personally, I think they're being retards. Instead, what I can tell you, OP, is that you begin by crafting and building up the Magical Personality. Yes, this is essentially what >>39137196 explains, but there are more sophisticated ways of doing actual magic, but you'll be disappointed where it leads. All of them suggest you should have magical implements, wear certain garments, paint your walls white, have an alter equipped with important tools or visual aids in your ritual and that you be very reverent through the process. Keener eyes should sense that this is all pageantry, all theater. The idea is to distract the Feminine energies by courting them via the theatrics. This, combined with the physical acting out of the ritual, is what can catalyze the desired effects.
I sense what they're doing and I respect it I suppose. I'm not big on ceremonial magic and wouldn't be too popular in some lodge or coven. But I can say that actual practice isn't as difficult as most make it out to be and that after learning more you understand why these physical aspirations you describe aren't a popular aim. Instead, adepts spend their time working in the mental space, in higher realms. If you'd like, we can go over foundational work to get started.
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>>39136575
Remember that everything is possible except skiing through a revolving door. It becomes much more simple from there on.



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