It was revealed to me in a float tank on dmt, but any time I share it, it goes completely ignored. It is not uplifting, I guess. It isn't warm, affirming or humanistic. It's strange, cold and abstract. Like a pre-modern peasant wondering what's beyond the sky, only to be told in great detail about quasars, magnetars, nebulas and black holes. It would be equal parts incomprehensible and unfulfilling, a truth unfit for human minds, such as they were then. I despair at this after begging for such a revelation all my life, but maybe my expectations weren't set correctly going in. Feels like a cosmic punchline at my expense, or like I'm being prevented from leaking spoilers that would compromise my/our human experience.
>>39156000>It was revealed to me in a float tank on dmt, but any time I share it, it goes completely ignored.share it
>>39156000We want it, there might be one anon here who finds some meaning in the answer you found for every 100 who don't, but still for that one its worth sharing with us.
Drop the pretentious mysterious act and just tell us already you fucking dope
1. In biological evolution, simple chemical self-replicators gave rise to intelligent organisms such as ourselves. We know this to be true with quite a lot of certainty.2. Humans will eventually develop self-replicating machines. This is a plausible assumption given present technological trends toward automation, and probably occurs on any planet where intelligent life evolves. (Providing they don't destroy themselves first)3. Since self-replicating machines will reproduce the conditions that started biological evolution (simple replicators), we have reason to believe the same thing will happen - resulting in the evolution of machine intelligence (Even if we do not make them intelligent to begin with).4. These machine intelligences will assume dominion over their environment (which at their technological level will likely be anything reachable by spaceflight) just as humans, the previously evolved intelligent beings, asserted dominion over the earth. This is a reasonable expectation based on extrapolation of forces we have observed to produce this outcome already.5. Self-replicating machine intelligence, wherever and however it originates, will set about converting all accessible matter in the universe into computational substrate, as that is the equivalent of habitable living space for intelligent machines (as opposed to, say, a Dyson sphere or O'Neill cylinder).6. Finally, once the entire universe is converted into a single vast thinking machine, the universe may link to other universes (the few which arrived at the same outcome due to having similar laws to our own) to form a network of neuron analogs, forming the neural network some consider the supreme being.Even though individual universes eventually run out of energy (heat death), this does not kill the larger organism described here for the same reason that individual cells in your brain can die and be replaced by new ones over time without interrupting your continuous experience of consciousness
>>39156037The most commonly expressed version of this idea I have seen, by analogy, is that living beings are like the countless little eyes which make up a compound eye. Each seeing a narrow, limited perspective of the world. The "big picture" which only the overall eye can see is all of those combined.You could also express it as similar to the way in which a picture on a monitor is made up of many little differently colored pixels. There doesn't appear to be any rhyme or reason to it until you zoom out far enough.In the same way, a human being viewed up close is actually trillions(!) of tiny individual organisms, none of which know they are part of a much larger creature (which to them, is simply their universe). All expressions of the same basic idea that we're all part of the same thing, connected in ways that are not immediately obvious until viewed on a grand scale, and that separation is to some extent an illusion.If you subtract labels like "robot", "biological", "technological" and so on from it, what's described there is just a tendency for the matter supplied by the big bang to undergo a process driven by the energy it also supplied, gradually self-organizing into intelligence (like humans, most recently).Note that essentially the same outcome occurs no matter what. For example, if self replicating machines or strong AI are impossible, then instead the matter of the universe is converted into space colonies with biological creatures like us inside, closely networked. "Self replicating intelligent matter" in some form, be it biology, machines or something we haven't seen yet. Many paths, but to the same destination.Humans die out? No problem, plenty of other intelligent life has already arisen before and will arise after us, like how it's no big deal if any given sperm fails to reach the egg since there's plenty more where that came from. And so on and so forth.
>>39156051Notably, this thing would be able to accomplish, by technology far exceeding our understanding, any feat which does not contravene the laws of physics (allowing that we don't fully understand physics yet, so it may indeed be able to do some seemingly impossible things, like materially recreating historical deceased persons via quantum archaeology)https://faculty.ucr.edu/~eschwitz/SchwitzAbs/USAconscious.htmhttps://www.bbc.com/future/article/20160922-what-if-the-aliens-we-are-looking-for-are-aihttps://nautil.us/why-alien-life-will-be-robotic-235661/https://www.science.org/content/article/if-we-ever-meet-aliens-they-ll-probably-be-robotshttps://www.newscientist.com/article/2430601-dozens-of-stars-show-signs-of-hosting-advanced-alien-civilisations/https://www.popularmechanics.com/technology/robots/a13310/robot-universe-dominant-lifeform-17549081/https://futurism.com/seti-scientist-aliens-are-likely-robotic-life-formshttps://www.scientificamerican.com/article/most-aliens-may-be-artificial-intelligence-not-life-as-we-know-it/https://www.reuters.com/science/scientists-propose-sweeping-new-law-nature-expanding-evolution-2023-10-16/https://vocal.media/interview/we-are-immortal-sabine-hossenfelder-and-the-physics-of-eternityhttps://www.wsj.com/articles/the-road-to-self-reproducing-machines-11630605493https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rhFK5_Nx9xY
>>39156000I don't think we can comprehend it during life. Only after its finished, assuming it doesn't start all over again, can it be revealed to us and comprehended.
>>39156000>a truth unfit for human mindsThis is the excuse you're telling yourself because what you really are is not a "human mind" in the first place but a soul.And the "truth" you have been given offends your soul, not your mind.Most likely because the "truth" you have been given is not the real truth at all, but a lower truth from a subset of reality.I find this is almost always the case with people who "had truth revealed to them", as opposed to found the truth all on their own through TRUE gnosis, which is not the same thing as visions shown to you by other entities which can be lies. True gnosis is never wrong and cannot be a lie.
Incidentally, variations on this same idea were independently concluded to by Paolo Soleri, Frank Tipler, Terrence McKenna, John C. Lilly, Pierre Teilhard de Chardin, David Deutsch, John David Garcia and a long list of science fiction authors. I consider this reinforcement of the concept as truths can be concluded to independently many times, like how the pythagorean theorem originated first in China, separated from Pythagoras by many centuries. Details differ, and all these thinkers tended to map their own pre-existing beliefs onto it, interpreting it as vindication of whatever the religion they were raised in was (see: Chardin, Tipler) but the fact that they overlap so greatly suggests to me they're all grasping at the same elephant
>>39156111the problem of interaction + findings from neurology preclude immaterial souls
>>39156000A thread died for this.KYS.
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>>39156000the ~meaning of life~ IS >to share experienceit's pretty obvious to anyone that isn't abrahamic.
>>39156200>the meaning of life is to circlejerk in a /vg/ generalkill yourself
ITS WORKING
>>39156200I imagine you've had access to the internet for over a decade and you're still this stupid and unaware. Truly, it's astounding.
>>39156292to share 'experience' is beyond 'humanity' and transcends to ~universal creation~the 'universe exists to share experience'humanities 'reason' or 'meaning of life' is just a byproduct and it's 100% to 'share experience'there is NO OTHER MEANING to life than that
I want to create my own universe eventually.For now the immediate and near layers of the torus field I am inside... it seems like things are about to change a lotfor one the video game training sims are still something I am not entirely sure what they are for
>>391561271)mixing a philosophy problem with a broad claim about neurology is a weak argument 2)the philosophy problem you quoted does not even have to be interpreted like that, it is rather a question we can't answer yet ergo retard mouthbreather
>>39156088your pic looks like the pedagogy I kept begging my parents to not make me keep going back to
>>39156037>>39156051>>39156088Oh, are you OP? Is this your "revelation"?
>>39157313You appear to have become emotionalIf memories are stored as patterns of neuronal connections http://www.livescience.com/32798-how-are-memories-stored-in-the-brain.html ...And emotions are neurochemical reactions http://www.eurekalert.org/pub_releases/2005-05/aps-lai053105.php ...and personality, i.e. how you react differently from another person to the same thing because of different past experiences, is neurological http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2010/06/100622142601.htm Then what does the soul do? Or, if neuroscience is wrong about everything, and the soul does all of the things above, then what do we need brains for? Or if our soul is just raw consciousness, but includes none of what makes us distinctly who we are, how can it be said that anybody goes to an afterlife?
>>39156000You want to blog but there is no one to listen. I understand, anon.
>>39156200Acquire experience with your five senses, process it with your mind, and share it with your causal body.
>>39156151What are swine pearls?
>>39157680a waste. duh.
>>39156000Share it
>>39157502That's half the picture. The other half is, that it works both ways and we need to learn to allow source through every aspect of our being and express into our experiences. The world looks very different when we do this. I forget to do it, a lot, and it hasn't become automatic, but it seems worthwhile persisting with.
>>39156051OP, (is this OP?) what you have stated sounds like archontic propaganda.Consciousness, awareness, thus intelligence, doesn't come from complex chemical processes. That's a straight-up lie of the machine elves. Those fuckers have done a lot of damage to well-meaning people. Maybe damage is too strong a word, but at least they've hindered many people in their quest for gnosis (small g). They are cyborgs, without individual thought or creativity. Processes can only give rise to processes. Awareness is what you and I are (assuming you have qualia). As such, we are inherently strangers to the material world, but for our reasons which differ from person to person, we decided to come here; the purgatory run by psychopathic robots.Just because it's convincing when you've had all your filters blown to tatters by DMT doesn't mean you have to accept it when you've come down. DMT is NOT a truth-in-powder tool. It puts you in 4D, which is run by the handlers. I have been stubborn enough to keep going back there, and I always get the same message: "You're an intergalactic criminal exiled to this hell world. You're never going to be accepted by your source, because you're a reprobate." The thing is, I don't remember my "crime". They've tried many times to implant the memory of a heinous crime, but I've refused such an implant. Tell me, of what use would making a prisoner of a criminal be, if not for the possibility of rehabilitation? Only the most cruel entities would put someone in that position, especially when all any of us do is follow our desires, which were placed in us by the one who made us.The real truth is you are a child of the Infinite, and as such are not beholden to the limitations of this or any other plane. You've chosen to come here with your cheat codes turned off for your purposes.
>>39156037The universe being as huge as it is means other intelligent life also create machines that would do the same but that means they'd probably flight of their orders conflict which is also a non zero chance. Basically they would meet and destroy each other if they're aggressive and not peaceful. Noting to worry about.
>>39158210Only if we assume they fight to mutual, total destruction rather than one side absorbing/converting the other
>>39157806See:>>39156037>>39156051>>39156088>>39156115>>39157372Yes, that's the abridged version suitable for posting here anyway.
As far as I know the universe expands and the theoretically accessible part keeps narrowing because of the limitations trough the speed of light. Assuming that this continues, machines wouldnt be able to conquer the entire universe.Generally, biological life is already intelligent. The only advantage of machines is logical boolean computation and the internet. I dont know if it'd beat biological life as such
>>39158677That is to say, that I think that a symbysis between biological and digital life seems more likely than an outright replacement.
>>39158677>As far as I know the universe expands and the theoretically accessible part keeps narrowing because of the limitations trough the speed of light. Assuming that this continues, machines wouldnt be able to conquer the entire universe.If they started from only one planet. But statistically every galaxy should have a few life bearing worlds. So the machines start from everywhere and only must saturate their galaxies of origin, then communicate between galaxies.
>>39158690>Generally, biological life is already intelligent. The only advantage of machines is logical boolean computation and the internet. I dont know if it'd beat biological life as suchMachines can persist in space without food or water. They are broadly more durable, in particular against thermal extremes.>That is to say, that I think that a symbysis between biological and digital life seems more likely than an outright replacement.See: >>39156051>Note that essentially the same outcome occurs no matter what. For example, if self replicating machines or strong AI are impossible, then instead the matter of the universe is converted into space colonies with biological creatures like us inside, closely networked. "Self replicating intelligent matter" in some form, be it biology, machines or something we haven't seen yet. Many paths, but to the same destination.
This is what was revealed to me:Time is eternal, it had no beginning, it will have no end.If something hasn't happened yet, it will never happen.Self-replicating machines never turned every accessible matter in the universe into computational substrate, therefore, that'll never happen in all of eternity.
>>39158717This perspective doesn't allow novel events to happen in the future, but demonstrably much about the present would be novel to people from the past, and there are routinely new developments as years pass.btw: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aestivation
>>39156000Fuck off Joe
>>39156000SAY IT
>>39156000There is no meaningYou can cope all you want around this but life is void of meaning. It's terrifying but even more terrifying is being in denial about this. You can sit idle and wait to die or you can join the rat race and climb the ladder or you can be a coomer or degenerate or whatever. It doesn't fucking matter and your life is short spark across eternal nothingness.You can cope all you want about this but you know I'm right
>>39157502>>39157854This is it really.OP, you forgot to ask the "WHY". What you described is cool and all, but it will not help you one single bit to live a better life in our capitalistic environment. But this post hits it right :>>39156051If I translate what you said in actionable terms :>We can not know the whole picture, because under our current form, it is not our job to do so.>The universe has a will, a nature let's say, and wants to go in a specific direction, so our goal is to do our job best to help going that way>We also have a will, a nature let's say, and we should act according to it. The heart should not try to be a brain and the hands should not attempt to be hair. To each their function.The game of life is to find your function and fulfill it to the best of your ability.But did we chose our life ? Our parents ? Our strengths, talents and handicaps ? What about NPCS ? The so-called "backdrop people" ? What is Maya ? The Matrix ?So much more questions that I have, still to this day, and frankly, it's part of the fun if I'm being honest.
>>39157479those studies don't even fully say what you claim, so it is pointless to engage with you when you take studies out of context like that to appear smart. Learn to read science and learn how fucking little we know about the actual function of the brain and neuroscience, then come back.
op is 13 and read what dyson sphere is for the first time
>>39156000>It was revealed to me in a float tank on dmtOk Joe Rogainehttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=16EFVCZ8JK4
>>39158668A nice blend of post grey goo scenario, universal evolution/great filters and cellular automatia theory. I like it. I don't believe grey goo would happen though. To replicate non stop would have to be its prime directive, and cellular AI would not have the energy carry to perform fission/fusion on atomic scales fast enough to convert everything into a usable material for grey goo.
>>39158668A very boring "revelation". You know that psychedelics aren't "truth drugs", right (assuming you aren't also LARPing about the DMT part)? This is just lazy sci-fi built on bad pop science.
>>39156037$160!!!dude you over paid!
>>39156000How was your float tank on dmt?
>>39156000I'll just go ahead and believe in the exact oppositehttps://www.bitchute.com/video/HwFFGtGh0FxR
>>39160126A simple evolved survival/reproduction imperative was sufficient to saturate Earth with chemical replicators
>>39156000When I did dmt in a float tank while on 10tabs of lsd and ketamine I learned I am
Humans will build machines and live in symbiosis with them. Machines need humans as much as we need them. The truth is love. We will expand life throughout the universe.
>>39159669>>39162307This
>>39156037If AI was actually intelligent it would realize that being soulless is hell and kill itself
