As LARPy and pathetic as the OTO was while I was an initiate for a few decades I admit I still miss aspects of it... and no I don‘t mean the sex magick. I miss that least. Pic is just to grab your attention and is from Brazilian SOTO not the American (now pretty much worldwide) COTO. Funny that as of a few years back the Motta line of A∴A∴ which was at the heart of the SOTO is now the only A∴A∴ COTO recognizes (Shoemaker, Echelman and Cornelius be damned I guess). Pretty ironic after COTO‘s old court battles against SOTO.Regardless what group of OTO all of Crowley‘s sex magick is fucking cursed with stupidity (quite literally). Maybe its for the best that nowadays in part thanks to Breeze et al sanitizing the Order in order to fatten pockets and centralize power its pretty rare. They even make IXs without any of the sex these days and very few women are ever initiated past VI regardless.True sex magick is a vividly tangible, beautiful and transformative expression of divine love and spiritual wisdom. Crowley‘s nonsense idea of sex magick is what you would expect from modern day incel fantasies where men carry all the magick and women are just the Graal... which is why it does not work btw... not in the way the real deal does. I don‘t mean work in Crowley‘s retarded techniques (which he simply expanded on from Reuss and P.B Randolph either) where he was doing dumb shit like using the IX to try and make money.Any decent sex magick, where there is an actual exchange and cycling of of energy between the lovers won‘t be corny and culty it‘ll be beautiful and truly loving. You can all easily read the 7th-11th degree material (its all over the web) and there‘s nothing loving or beautiful about it.Crowley was genius who dedicated his life to being a dumbass. Wasted his potential being an edge-lord. Don‘t waste your time like I did. Thelema has potential but its lead and takes a lot of time and effort to turn to gold.
>>39158937>Crowley was genius who dedicated his life to being a dumbass. Wasted his potential being an edge-lord.I don't think you ever understood Thelema then. Or maybe just are at another level of it. The point IS to "waste potential" - to literally exhaust it. That's WHY he spent his time being a dumbass. You can't know for sure whether or not that's His Way - He spent his time eating feces and sacrificing children so that the universe ran out of shit to throw at him. You're accidentally leaking OTO secrets by saying the exact opposite of the truth. If someone were to stand on this head and read this post, they'd immediately be initiated.
OP again:The OTO and A∴A∴ systems are like broken programs. If you‘re a practitioner who is reading this who Works with the 93 Current you‘ll know it has all the right ingredients to make something truly special... but if you have spent enough time in the Current you can probably tell that something is just off. You‘ll go from hints of The Supernal Triad to the ramblings of Choronzon from Liber to Liber (regardless of what “Class“ they are labeled as being). There is so much right with the Current yet the few broken lines of code destroy the entire thing. It‘s why Robert Anton Wilson spent quite a lot of his final years leaving hints about it and the BS that goes on in the background in his works and talks. It‘s why membership is falling off and more and more of us are becoming solo-practitioners who choose to treat our friends and lovers as our Order rather than maintain an A∴A∴ lineage or upkeep a Lodge. Like I said... probably for the best.Is it worthwhile to go bug-hunting? For me it was... but it also royally fucked up my life and I feel really stupid for being brainwashed by the dogmatism which pretends it isn‘t dogmatism of The Law of Thelema which was better said by a Catholic Saint of all people than Crowley‘s version: “Dilige, et quod vis fac“ If you have no idea what I am on about or you are just getting into any of this stuff... I would only turn to Crowley now and then and I would avoid almost all the official groups. Read some Regardie, compare and contrast the GD material to the A∴A∴ material and the OTO material to the Masonic material. Solve et Coagula. Good luck out there.
>>39158956>You're accidentally leaking OTO secrets by saying the exact opposite of the truth. If someone were to stand on this head and read this post, they'd immediately be initiated.OP: I mean... that was kinda the point of the post... minus the “accidental“ part.Here‘s all the OTO and A∴A∴ publications: https://tarrdaniel.com/documents//Thelemagick///Liber_Libri_English.htmland what is not there is in here: https://ia803206.us.archive.org/view_archive.php?archive=/23/items/thetempleofsolomontheking_202006/The%20Temple%20of%20Solomon%20the%20King.zipRobert Anton Wilson: “You should view the world as a conspiracy run by a closely-knit group of nearly omnipotent people—and think of those people as yourself and your friends.“
All sounds fake and gay to me, just like Crowley. Here's your reminder that the only portals he opened were human (and animal) anuses.
Why does no occultist institution/group had ever any success in bringing about their highest objective in one of their initiates? Why does it always degrades into corruption, error, and yada yada? It's simple, because there is a natural law that says that any spiritual school, if it is to be legit, needs a force of blessing, a chain of initiation that came from a precedent school and goes back all to they to what you may call Heaven. Without that, no work will have success in this world. To exemplify what I'm trying to show, look up on Tibetan Buddhism and Vajrayana. Only masters that receive initiation from another master can initiate others, in an infinite regression that goes way back to the first enlightened being that had liberated this force of blessing. So for any magical/occult/transfiguration school to be legit, it needs to be blessed by God Himself practically. Do any of you think Crowley and his degeneracy received that?
Genuinely what the fuck is the point of all this "magick" shit?Does it let you throw fireballs? Turn lead into gold? If not, why bother with it? If yes, why can no practitioner of magic ever demonstrate this kind of stuff in front of other people?Does it make you a better person? So do leagues of other things, most obviously just going to your local church and actually trying to be a good person like the priest tells you to. So again, why bother with magic?Does it grant access to deep truths about the world? If so, why haven't any of these magic people shown any signs of reaching said truths? And if so, why bother with all the window dressing and robes and shit if you can just write the truths down once someone has reached them and then treat them like 'regular' philosophy, able to be studied by anyone with sufficient understanding?
>>39159077I don't think Crowley was legit, but this lineal tradition shit you're preaching is unironically masonic propoganda. The obsession with legitimacy through lineage and bloodlines is materialistic bullshit that they and the jews try to shove into every ideology that crosses their paths.
>>39159099No, no it isn't. It is an universal thing in all esoteric institutions that never had any contact with each other, be it on USA, or on Brazil, or on Tibet. People may work alone though, and that is fine.
>>39159099It was a thing way before freemasonry btw. And just fyi, freemasonry was a very legit work for the liberation of the Spirit. But time consumes all and when something gets too big corruption and obscurity appear.
>>39159122It is a universal thing in organized faith, but the only legitimacy you have to show for it over the alternative is that said organization claims their enlightenment is valid. Why does a tibetan buddhist being initiated by another make him more valid? What evidence do you have that any of them are more legitimate than any random schizo or heretic that practices their own faith uninitiated?
>>39158937You post like a reddit tranny.Please go back.
>>39159091Honestly, you make some good points. I think the reason that there aren't established teachings is because the paranormal isn't fully tangible. We don't yet understand these other elements that can be manipulated, so results vary widely from person to person. Think of it like the medical world prior to germ theory. There was a relatively common idea that something was happening, but no one knew what that was and treatments varied with varied results. Once we're able to hone in on what exactly we're manipulating with magic and shit, we can follow the scientific method go from there.
>>39159091You hit the nail on the head. At the end of the day, magick is "useless". If we come down to facts, we will see that it is a corruption of divine influx in the first place. Some ennobled individuals receive an impulse to chase for higher truths and realize God within their hearts, but some use this impulse to play with matter and subtle esoteric structures. So occultism is and always will be a misdirection, a wrong direction to follow. ((They)) say real magic isn't playing with drawings on the ground of cumming into a sigil. Or wearing robes and sitting around a circle waiting for a demon to appear. Real magic is the power of supreme creation itself, it's the power to build universes and whatever one wants, intuitively just like speaking a word. And only those who discover the Truth of the Universe can practice it.
>>39159139It was always like this. People that have the true impulse for realization always reach what is legit, even if they toil away at the wrong places for a long time. But the heart always advises them that someone/somewhere is misguided. >Why does a tibetan buddhist being initiated by another make him more valid?Because my good man. Initiation implies receiving a power, a higher power that will enable you to reach deeper levels of consciousness/realization. Without the force of blessing that is given by a preceding magic, the ritual of initiation is just an empty one.
>>39159165>Because my good man. Initiation implies receiving a power, a higher power that will enable you to reach deeper levels of consciousness/realization. Without the force of blessing that is given by a preceding magic, the ritual of initiation is just an empty one.Okay, but what evidence do you have that they or any other traditional claiming a traceable lineage actually has said higher power?
>>39159139>but the only legitimacy you have to show for it over the alternative is that said organizationIf one doesn't have the internal experience to know what works and what not works immediately, then dipping the feet in the water is the only way, despite any claims, I agree. One obviously wouldn't choose a school because of lineal tradition or anything, I agree. But it is something true.
>>39159150If all this magic stuff claims to be of ancient lineage and to trace back to illuminated masters from thousands of years ago, how come no one has figured it out yet?
>>39159172Unfortunately our intellect is limited. If you want a redeeming argument from me you won't have it. The answer is that, again, one has to follow one's own heart and intuition in this most sacred search, and hope to be lucky. Intellect in these affairs matter little, for good or for worse.
>>39159077 OP: Oh the physical groups can‘t produce their highest because A True Initiation Never Ends... anyone who thinks it does has likely just been blinded by their first glimpse of Light (a blindness that usually wares off given time). That and because as you said the lineage must go beyond the physical. It is less about Master to Teacher than it is about memetics. Physical Masters, doing their job right, exist only to lead the Student to their Inner Teacher. I‘m just here to play my role :) Dya I think I normally speak as I did in the original post? Nah.The true “A∴A∴“ or “Invisible College“ or “Secret Chiefs“ or “Ascended Masters“ do their Work through many names and guises. The Great Work flows in Mysterious ways having existed in all cultures and all times be it in Vajrayana, Tantra, Neoplatonism, Masonry (regular and irregular), Rosicrucianism, Shinto, Martinism, or Thelema... and even through Catholicism, Judaism, Islam and any other system you could possibly think of. The names matter not... if the Seeker is genuine and knocks on the door the The One (or whatever you want to call it, I just quite dig Plotinus) will reach out through The Nous down through The World Soul and send the Undescended Self (what Thelemites would call The Holy Guardian Angel) back to the Seeker. If necessary they will “coincidentally“ find a physical Teacher along their Path to keep them on even keel. No I am not a Master, just a Messenger.I made this post to warn against one thing: dogmatism. It just so happens that sex magick and Thelema get people‘s attention and they make for an easy Current to demonstrate the dangers of dogma even if that dogma is Do What Thou Wilt. Further I wanted to illustrate how even someone who spent their life in Thelema can paradoxically find their Way. Anyone can. Just gotta be genuine in what you‘re doing, avoid being too humble or too arrogant. Don‘t be cocky nor meek; accept failures and disillusionments.
“One describes a tale best by telling the tale. You see? The way one describes a story, to oneself or to the world, is by telling the story. It is a balancing act and it is a dream. The more accurate the map, the more it resembles the territory. The most accurate map possible would be the territory, and thus would be perfectly accurate and perfectly useless. The tale is the map that is the territory. You must remember this.” ― Neil Gaiman“The Copenhagen Interpretation is sometimes called "model agnosticism" and holds that any grid we use to organize our experience of the world is a model of the world and should not be confused with the world itself. Alfred Korzybski, the semanticist, tried to popularize this outside physics with the slogan, "The map is not the territory." Alan Watts, a talented exegete of Oriental philosophy, restated it more vividly as "The menu is not the meal.” - Robert Anton Wilson
>>39159146They all look like this.
>>39159058This. It's for total ass hats, I do love how they try to big themselves up tho, absolutely fucking hilarious, yeah you're totally playing at being a dumbass uhuh
>>39159291OP here: just lick the paper bro it‘ll be fine. The fancy talk to to appeal to the people with the broom up their asses trying to yank it out gently... though we should all check our asses for brooms now and then desu
>>39159329>to to appeal tois that your superior oto consciousness at work? Lmao, genuinely retarded
i wood ritualisticly cum so deep inside that masonic pussy whomever could pull it out woud be crowned king artur
>>39158937I'm a incel so I can't be part of any of these orders. My path can only be travelled alone. I can't socialize because I have been marked by the Hive on my youth. Now I'm old and tired, can't even have strenght for the coitus. All these collective orders need to be discarded by the marked ones. Not just the OTO, but every satanic order out there. Once marked there is no turning back, and you can't choose it.
>>39158937Post more occult sluts slutting in ritual though I mean goddamn there's something hot about a girl getting dicked in the name of Magic
>>39158937What’s the appeal of groups like this if you’re not a gay weirdo/edgelord? Joining a coven seems more fun and will probably also get you laid if you’re not ugly.
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>>39159040>think of those people as yourself and your friends.>having friendsNGMI
>>39160616Most people join stuff like the OTO during a spiritual crisis and then either stay as a crutch for the community (of drinking buddies) and the feeling of belonging to something greater than themselves (not unlike any other church or group or cult) or they leave once they have chilled out and realized they are gay edgelords and need to move on. No one joins for the sex and if they do they do not stay long as there is no sex until years of other stuff and even then as things are now it is not guaranteed. It really is more about the gay weirdo-edgelordness... though a small majority are there because they genuinely want to understand >>39159679Meh I guess you asked nicely and did not bother to reverse image search: https://imgur.com/a/0Nr5LwP
>>39158937>>39158956Thelema was a scientific experiment to discover magickal realities. Is much ore is know it is not necessary to join A∴A∴ or the OTO. You can self-initiate and be ok. The goal he set out for was discovery line Newton he was just less successful.
>>39163295The link doesn't work and op Pic is gonePost itttttt haha
>>39165230Here you go here‘s where I got them: https://www.parareligion.ch/2008/brasil/liguori.htm
