>read about aleister crowley>nietzche is mentioned>read about lavey>nietzche is mentioned>read about hitler and the nazis>nietzche is mentionedthe real and only antichrist
>>39213017Man thinks too hard, fucks everyones shit up just by existing.
>>39213017Have you actually read any Nietzsche yourself? Because in around 96% of the cases where the guy is mentioned or quoted, its by somebody who hasn't actually sat down and read his books, completely misunderstanding the mental atmosphere and flavor of his works.I'd recommend Thus Spoke Zarathustra as first book.
>>39213066Tell me what does Nietzsche taste like.
>>39213230... ketchup
>>39213230Fevered sweetness
>>39213230Syphilis.
>>39213066Nietzsche was all bark and no bite
>>39213017Wait. You're actually right what the fuck. I don't know that he's the only. He kinda served the spike to Aleister Crowley too.
>write about how the west turning away from Christianity will cause people to seek spirituality elsewhere>all of us are on /x/ right now
Nietzsche is so much fun to read. What a fucking genius.
>HORSEY NOOOOOOOfor someone so edgy he sure was a lil bitch
>>39213230simp tears
>>39213017>Nietzsche was the antichristHe literally wrote the book: "The Antichrist"Dude was basically the opposite of antichrist imo, unlike Schopenhaur.Incredibly funny and not a nihilist at all.>>39213066Dubs confirm.He truly was the herald of the lightning.
>>39215005Would Nietzsche have browsed /mlp/ or /trash/?
>>39216468Antichrist is one of my favorite books, the opening paragraph goes insanely hard. Like OP everything brings me back to Friedrich, and his vision of the coming future (it’s here) and it’s solutions, insane he had the answer back then.I’m convinced Masons, or the brotherhood of the snake, had him poisoned for leaking their secrets.
>>39213332What does that even mean here
>>39216475/mlp/
the horse story is fake btw just more lies to make the antichrist look weak for the future generations
>>39216479More and more lately, I worry about his vision of "The Last Men" and how so many folk appear to be embracing that path.Scary shit.Any chance you can quickly redpill me on the Brotherhood of the Snake?Not familiar with that order.>>39216488>Cum jarTopkek!
>>39216538We are at the Last Men stage most definitely. Basically the tin foil theory is that Wagner had gotten Nietzsche into the order, and he began to publish their secrets in the 1880s. In 1894 they published Brother of the Third Degree, which is said to be Masonic required reading. In the book there is a sub plot of a German mathematician who was caught publishing their secrets and poisoned to be driven mad. Anti-Christ was published in 1895 but written in 1888, he went mad in 1889. The implication being they knew what he was writing in the 80s and in the 90s they published a little dab on Nietzsche for publishing their secrets.
>>39216609Damn, might just be something to that.Also, must be said, it's a shame his sister fucked up his later works.Maybe she was asked to "correct" anything those orders didn't like and make them more friendly to the shitty-painter?
>>39216633His sister is very suspect I agree and I wouldn’t be surprised if there was some tampering. The man who introduced Nietzsche to Wagner was Ernst Ortlepp who was found dead in a ditch a week after the introduction. Wagner was a notable occultist btw. Forgot pic for my earlier post.
>>39213230horseradish
Everytime i read Nietzche all i can think off is DAMN WHAT NO PUSSY DOES TO A MOFO!
Anybody who takes Evola or Nietzche seriously is permanently braindead by atheism...nietzche was a nihilist atheist so he tried to turn ''nihilism'' into ''optimistic nihilism'' by doing 2 things-first by being a deceitful bitch, like any atheist, by redefining nihilism to mean ''christianity''nihilism according to women, atheists and NPCs like nietzche mean ''thinking long term''. So according to them, when christians think what will happen after death and focus on that, that's ''nihilism''. According to atheists, ''non-nihilism'' is ''living in the present moment like Dionysus''-second, by saying that since there is no truth and only subjective values, people should fight for their personal values. So for instance, trannies, BLM, feminists are the ubermen according to nietzche because--they fight for their own values--they are subversive of the ''old values'', ie the values of the british judean dutch french bourgeois merchant rats who started liberalism 300 years ago, in order to kill kings and priests and make the bureaucrats and merchants the ruling caste in their ''nationalist democratic republics''
>>39216727there that's all there is nietzche . Optimistic nihilism is retarded and a huge cope by atheists to justify hedonism lol. But bitches like nietzche dont call hedonism ''hedonism'', they call it 'vitalism''.nietzche is an hedonism, like any atheist, but atheists are desperate to earn atheist karma points, after saying objective morality and truth doesnt exist lol, and they embark on a self-made self-aggrandizing narratives wherein they are cooming like Dionysus and at the same time ''fighting for values''.The other cope by atheists is ''traditionalism'', ie ''everyday I want a bureaucratic daddy to tell me what do to in his fascist republic while I am pretending to be wicca witch doing magic in my sparetime like Evola''.
>>39216731>>39216727Lmao found the christfag
>>39216727you crying this much about a dead man proves his will to power is right tho
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>>39213017Yeah read about the very last words of Crowley shortly before dying. Read about the very last words of the creator of the church of Satan.Also the very last words of famous atheists. It ain't pretty.
>>39216487He didn't practice what he preached. His philosophy was all about muh ubermensch yet he got mindbroken after seeing a horse being flogged and spent the rest of his life bedridden shitting himself and being babysat by his sister. He also proposed to the same woman on 3 different occasions and was rejected each time.
>>39217590He was aware of this. Being "all bark no bite" doesn't matter if one doesn't intend to bite. He knew his work would only be recognized after his death. The words on the page are divorced from the man who wrote them.
>>39217590at least his influence is still alive to this day,thats not the will to power?
>>39217590>yet he got mindbroken after seeing a horse being flogged Never happened, friend.
>>39213017I'm no expert but surface level interpretations of Neitzche claim that he teaches deception and savagery in a Machiavellian worldview, on a deeper level he teaches the triumph of the human spirit over fatalism and despair. But my problem with Neitzche has always been that the manner in which his works are written portrays himself as the end all be all of philosophy yet most of his theorems and premises are only relative to him. My observation of his works is that he had a narrow worldview and used his uninformed view of the world to bolster his self esteem, am I wrong?
>>39217706Hes not god and his works aren't divine. Hes a fallible human who wrote his thoughts. Take em as you do.
>>39216538>I worry about his vision of "The Last Men" and how so many folk appear to be embracing that path.It happened to Rome and that wasn't the end.
>>39213066was nietzche the camel,the lion or the child?
>>39216727all those people are simply carrying out the utopian project and desperately seeking their own death and assumption of the last man, there is absolutely nothing vital or nietzschean about people seeking "equality and acceptance," these people have more in common with christians than they do with any ideas of the ubermensch. there are probably a few sorcerers who pull their strings that are fully conscious of what they are trying to do and all nietzsche would have to say is that these people are a worthy enemy to any ubermensch and worthy of that respect. the rest are dross. im not even a nietzschean btw
>>39217866>pre-zarathustra: camel>zarathustra to ecce homo: lion>last 10 years: child
>>39213017>>39214977he was almost ok, just boring, weak, and cringe
>>39216691Hard to write operas about "The Twilight of the [Norse] Gods" and not be an occultist.Elizabeth absolutely edited his works - I read Nietzsche for university and what ends up in works like Ecce Homo departs significantly from all of Freddy's earlier work and letters.It's notable that Elizabeth married a nazi and Friedrich openly wrote about his disapointment to her.Wagner's ties to the party were also a key reason their friendship ended.>>39217800Rome never fell, it just migrated.Left a massive shit for everyone else to clean up for centuries though.>>39216727>>39216731>>39217590>I haven't read Nietzsche>He was an atheist nihilist, right?>"Something something abyss"Retard alert>>39217706 gets partial credit but is still wrong.>>39217349Fake and gay
freud cucked him btw
>>39213017Nietzsche is the last philosopher; all post-nietzschean philosophy is philology or something not metaphysical. When Nietzsche kills God, he ends all metaphysics and thus philosophy in its older definition. What's left is the search for the Being and existentialism. Both are reactions to the destruction of metanarratives implied by Nietzsche's death of God and Zarathustra. The death of God (see Heidegger's Holzwege) is the end of metaphysics; Zarathustra is the end of philosophy; Zarathustra is not a philosopher nor does he practice philosophy; Zarathustra has gotten past philosophy. Thus, as mentioned hitherto, these two currents (existentialism and the search for the Being) are reactions to the destruction of metanarratives of philosophy.Existentialists react by saying they're thrown into the world and start crying around like pansies, before 'revolting' and thus finding an excuse to live.German phenomenologists react by getting their shit together, deconstructing metaphysics to reach the Being and chill out with Hitler.
>>39213017Wagner raped his mind.
>>39213066Thus spoke zarathustra is indeed a modern classic. The parable of the camel the lion and the child is my favorite part.
>>39213066That was the first book I read by him. He is one of my teachers to this day.
>>39213017so real that he's been long dead. brilliant thread. give ya head a bang.
>>39216707
nietzsche dying of syphilis was a lie he actually died of aids because he was a raging homosexual. HENCE why nietzscheans tend to be fags like 90% of the time.
>>39220406he wanted that wagner penis
>>39213017He is an extremely influential modern philosopher, if you didn't know.I don't think he is the antichrist though. All he did was hike, and write stuff. And teach philology. And also come to a view of Jesus Christ ironically shared by a few Christian mystics (heretics, albeit).>>39215005>Well according to this tabloid ten years after the fact, this happened so it must be true!Invoking the horse story has to be the laziest way to "criticize" Nietzsche. Are you a fat bavarian shopkeeper from the 1910s?>>39220396The good thing about Nietzsche is that he is basically all purpose with enough verbal IQ.I particularly like the part in the anti-christ where he criticizes christianity from the religion of love angle.
>>39221325*he wanted that wanger
magic basically
>>39221453influential for bad people maybeno gandhi is reading this guy
>>39215005i never read nietzsche. can someone explain this?>no more gods>i choose my own path>HORSEY NOOwhat?
>>39221512Nietzsche is almost universally read in the western world.
>>39221536horse is sacred, noble beast, runs like the wind, vital in its nature, carried warriors into many battles, mingled their blood with men. an aristocratic, beautiful animal, full of potency and strength. the one conquerors chose to carry them to victory for thousands of years, above the cow, goat, donkey, and sheep.spirited horses are difficult to control, and will sense weakness in their master. a weak man will beat a horse relentlessly to break its spirit, and often to satisfy their own sadistic, resentful desires which they project onto the horse. the horse did nothing but obey the laws of its nature. it was the man who transgressed
>Nietzsche makes christoids seetheDamn I should really start reading his stuff huh
>>39221714Yeah bought beyond good and evil recently
Nietzsche wanted the next thinkers, philosophers, clerics, etc... to be happy and dancers.He so cute.
Try Thomas Hobbes.
>>39213017>>39213066>>39221714>>39221754Christcucks hate him becuase he exposed their jewish nature.Stratch a christcuck, you'll find a jew.
>>39213066Riding a person who has died a long time ago is crazy bruh
>>39213017>the real and only antichristHe was a better than average poet, mainly slamming psychology for being extremely fake and implicating the other sciencesNot exactly the antichrist but he was in a good vain, do the people who quote him really understand? Maybe Hitler
>>39221714atheists reading a cuck?checks out
>>39213034fpbp, too much introspection is seldom a "good" thing (if you define good as getting along, existing, being content, etc)
>>39221453for me it’s paragraph 48 where God tries to stop man from engaging in science and becoming God himself. God eventually gives up and says “ Man has become scientific—there is no help for it: he must be drowned!”
>>39219363very good post
>>39213017Well, you're reading all the major representatives of edginess and you're surprised the edgy overlord is being mentioned in each work. Crowley, Lavey and Hitler were angry innovators, misunderstood by nature, Nietzche is the maximum exponent of that figure.
>>39213017>>read about aleister crowleyspiritual failure.>>nietzche is mentioned>>read about laveyspiritual failure.>>nietzche is mentioned>>read about hitler and the nazisspiritual failure.>>nietzche is mentioned
>>39222323was edgy about crowley?his tarot deck is the best one out there
Read bronze age mindset, Nietzsche is an anti egalitarian vitalist, then read Christopher Hyatt works. This is how you embrace the dark side
>>39222427>Read bronze age mindsetnah, fuck that jew
>>39222349Crowley, just like Lavey had a "pop persona" he used to rile up the media and get attention, he happened to call himself "the beast 666" and sign letters that way. He also had a certain disdain for normies and other certain practitioners, and some aspects of his personality clashed with what he was trying to represent most of the time, all in all he was pretty edgy.
>>39221661So what you're saying is that ponyplay is the highest and most noble form of sexual expression?
>>39218701alfred rosenberg too said something very similar about nietzsche even in his time, people would stylize nietzsche into a nihilist and ignore the 'become übermensch' part.
>>39223953I suppose we can't expect everyone to grasp the nuances of virtue ethics.The Western world is still so focused on Christian dogma and sucking off Kant and Descartes to consider anything more complicated.Sad realy.
>>39223953the nazis literally tried that
>>39224077yeah they did but rosenberg mentioned people in his time already muddying nietzsches image. his aversion to christianity is to be interpreted as a liberation move from all too strict religious dogma and the nasty church terror, but was never meant to smash all of spirituality and propagate a purely materialistic worldview, which is what people then and people now still try to interpret into nietzsches worldview.
>>39223997the masses are incapable of nuance, its a lost cause, you have to understand that, they are not receptive for argumentation but only raw emotion, take it from the man himself:'The great majority of a nation is so feminine in its character and outlook that its thought and conduct are ruled by sentiment rather than by sober reasoning. This sentiment, however, is not complex, but simple and consistent. It is not highly differentiated, but has only the negative and positive notions of love and hatred, right and wrong, truth and falsehood. Its notions are never partly this and partly that. Those responsible for English propaganda, especially understood this in a marvellous degree and put what they understood into practice. They allowed no half-measures, which might have given rise to doubt. [...] The mentality of the broad masses is accessible only to what is strong and uncompromising. Like woman whose inner sensibilities are not under the sway of abstract reasoning, but are always subject to the influence of a vague emotional longing for the strength that completes her being, and who would rather bow to the strong man than dominate the weakling—in like manner the masses of the people prefer the ruler to the suppliant, and are well-led witha stronger sense of mental security by a teaching that brooks no rival, than by one which offers them a liberal freedom. They have very little idea of how to use that freedom, and thus they are prone to feel that they have been abandoned. They feel very little shame at being terrorised intellectually and they are scarcely conscious of the fact that their freedom as human beings is impudently abused, nor have they the slightest suspicion of the intrinsic fallacy of the whole doctrine. They see only the ruthless force and brutality of its determined utterances, to which they always submit.'Mein Kampf Stalag Edition by Adolf Hilter
>>39216479> I’m convinced Masons, or the brotherhood of the snake, had him poisoned for leaking their secrets.I wouldn’t normally adhere to theories like this when it comes to a renowned German philosopher from over a century ago, as it would typically seem too schizo for me, but it was bizarre reading works of his Thus Spake Zarathustra and seeing references (in the English translation I read) to the “coiled serpent energy” or “coiled serpent within you” from this book from the 1880s, before the New Age and Orientalism came into so much vogue in the West and concepts like Tantra, kundalini, chakras and the like were thrown about so much by Westerners. This wasn’t just some average knowledge or corny thing you could hear from Western “yoga” instructors or on TikTok or wherever.Anyway, I think are some strange ways in which Nietzsche, his whole thought and life, including his breakdown, could have some occult or paranormal significance. People who don’t actually read him much beyond some brief passages, quotes passed around online, Wikipedia summaries and the like, mostly have some mistaken view of him as some unironic Ragnar-Redbeard type (“Might Makes Right”) or ultra-Darwinist, but his thought is more sophisticated than that when you actually get into it, which even includes his critiques and deconstructions of ideas like of Social Darwinism or “might-makes-right” theorizing, at the same he deconstructs and attacks everything from Judeo-Christian ideologies to socialism, leftism, utilitarianism etc. For instance, of Social Darwinism, he asks, “Why do we imagine ‘natural selection’ would INEVITABLY always select for what we imagine as ‘fitter’, ‘stronger’, more beautiful, powerful, or great? Couldn’t it also lead to the creation of a meek neutered ‘Last Man’, the most successful at staying comfortable and sheltered by cutting off all danger from their life?”
>>39219527The parable of the shadow more like, the lion and the camel and child is like the first part of the book that just tells me you didn't really read it, at least I'll be honest and say I haven't finished it yet cause it's fucking me up, also loved the grave song and the scholars, part 2 is chocka block with amazing verses, the tarantulas amazing, he's also the biggest Chad in my eyes for the part where he gets bit by the snake and the snake is repulsed >>39220396
>>39224233(Cont.)And of facile truisms like “might makes right”, he again would critique and deconstruct what we even mean by “right.” When you really read Nietzsche (which is often a joy) you can start seeing how he’s something of an atheist or antitheist mystic. In line with this, another thing you’ll realize if you actually read his works is how often he refers to “spirituality”, “the spirit” or being “spiritual”, and not just in a critical sense, but actually applied as praise to what he views as the higher, more philosophical or artistic types of people. And again to continue giving more examples that might challenge the image that non-readers/shallow readers of Nietzsche might have of him, is how he talks about and accepts impulses like adoration, pity, benevolence, generosity and the like as also parts of life that don’t necessarily need to be cut off but could still be elements of the “higher man’s” life, but perhaps just in a different way.I don’t worship N. or agree with him on everything, as I believe in God for instance, but I think he’s one of the most respectable atheist thinkers I’ve come across in history, leaps and bounds beyond anti-spiritual brainy Anglo/Americanized automatons like Sam Harris, Christopher Hitchens, Richard Dawkins, and whatever other puppets we see nowadays heralded as the face of “New Atheism” with their fundamentally Anglo-utilitarian technology-worshiping, science-worshiping ethos which also (as N. pointed out) still mostly has a Christian ethics underlying it, simply having removed the supernatural parts. Nietzsche is amazing as a forebear of existentialism, postmodernism, and, in his own way, bringing up actual “spiritual” or existential issues in a genuinely passionate, inspiring, possibly life-changing way. I think he was needed to shake up Western culture and take a hammer to old idols and unthought-out assumptions ruling much of Western culture.
>>39213017Wow they mentioned him.HMMMM so 2 mentioned him. Do you know how much mentioned jesus? So is he the antichrist?Some mentioned Aldi, is Aldi the Antichrist?Fucking retarded meatbag of a do called human... Damn..
>>39224355(Fin.)Rudolf Steiner, himself also a believer in God and even in Christianity, or the world-historical significance and divinity of Christ (in his own eccentric way), had some very interesting engagement with Nietzsche worth looking into if you’re into Steiner. He viewed Nietzsche as a tremendously inspirational and thought-provoking figure in his best works, one directly grappling with serious modern existential, philosophical, and spiritual issues challenging the modern man, but believed Nietzsche himself tragically fell victim to the Antichrist he was in battle against, or fell in the fight against the “Dweller on the Threshold”.Wonderful short article worth reading (6 pages) on Steiner’s grappling with but also ultimate respect for Nietzsche.https://www.rudolfsteiner.org/fileadmin/user_upload/being_human/bh-articles/roszell/bh14-roszell-steiner-nietzsche-adversary.pdf>And so Steiner concludes: “Nietzsche isn’t a thinker in the traditional sense of the word at all. He takes the measure of things on the basis of whether or not and how they promote and unfold life potential. Whatever values might lie in truth is not something he is willing to even set out to find. He writes in Beyond Good and Evil: ‘How questionable are the results for all from all this hanker- ing after truth. Who is it that’s driving us this way?’” For Rudolf Steiner, inquiring this way existentially into the who behind the what of a matter is the essential impulse of what he characterizes as the directive of the consciousness soul, the sheer conscience of a modern intelligence.>Steiner continues: “Nietzsche takes up the fight against fashion and fable convenue left and right, and fights no holds barred. He fights out of the conviction that he is fighting against mindless and brainwashed tools who have damaged and devalued life in all directions, and he counts them as adversaries. ...”
nietzche really makes christcucks shake in anger is hilarious KEK
>>39224391How many souls has he ripped away from Christ?
>>39224416Hopefully a lot. Whites have no business in bowing down to the jew
>>39224389>Rudolf Steiner shared also with Nietzsche the sense that modern philosophy had ended in a cul de sac of dualism, and the way out was to see through its errors and discover authentic monism. Steiner agreed with Nietzsche that “the Idealists divided the human being in two, idea and reality. They exalted thinking and ideas and exiled the body to the lowest order. [Nietzsche’s] Zarathustra intervened to say: the only reality there is is the reality the body belongs to. Mind and ideas belong to the body. ... Body and spirit are a unity, the body is endowed with powers, to unfold the spirit, in concert with the way the plant flowers.” Nietzsche’s Zarathrustra proclaimed that “behind your thoughts and feelings, brother, stands a powerful deliverer, the unknown wise one, that is the true Self—that resides in your body as your body.” Steiner witnessed Nietzsche reject the dualistic trend in the West that came to the fore in Plato and culminated in the resignations of Kant. (…)>Rudolf Steiner saw that the madness that Nietzsche descended into in his final years was the price of having fallen in single combat with the Antichrist, and indicated that the Adversary directed the author’s pen thereafter in much that he wrote. Besides all this, it’s also fascinating how prophetic he can be, he predicted the upcoming century would be one of “bloodshed and great wars as never seen before” (World Wars I and II), and clearly foresaw the “abyss” of values we were heading into from the technological scientific-materialist view moving more of humanity away from the religious values that formerly gave their lives meaning (even if in ways that N. saw as life-denying or faulty). He has a similar energy as Dostoyevsky at times in talking about and foreseeing this, and Nietzsche loved Dosto as a writer and piercing psychologist by the way, seeing him as a kindred spirit, except of course N. didn’t see the solution to be Orthodox Christianity.
>>39219363Coming in as a 2nd anon to also say great post. Funny how many /lit/ cross-posters there are here, I’ve always been sure some of them are here, but you just need to dig a little harder to find the good discussions like these. Or if it’s a thread which borders on both /lit/ and /x/ like this OP.
>>39224487>nobody had ever thought of spirit AND matter until MEits a work of profound ignorance.
in hindsight, anyway...
highly recommended: deleuze + heidegger on nietzsche
>The ancient Greeks saw in Zoroastrianism the archetype of the dualistic view of the world and of human destiny. Zarathushtra was supposed to have instructed Pythagoras in Babylon and to have inspired the Chaldean doctrines of astrology and magic. It is likely that Zoroastrianism influenced the development of Judaism and the birth of Christianity. The Christians, following a Jewish tradition, identified Zoroaster with Ezekiel, Nimrod, Seth, Balaam, and Baruch and even, through the latter, with Jesus Christ himself. On the other hand, as the presumed founder of astrology and magic, Zarathushtra could be considered the arch-heretic.>Though Zoroastrianism was never, even in the thinking of its founder, as insistently monotheistic as, for instance, Judaism or Islam, it does represent an original attempt at unifying under the worship of one supreme god a polytheistic religion comparable to those of the ancient Greeks, Latins, Indians, and other early peoples. Its other salient feature, namely dualism, was never understood in an absolute, rigorous fashion. Good and evil fight an unequal battle in which the former is assured of triumph. God’s omnipotence is thus only temporarily limited. In this struggle all human beings must enlist because of their capacity for free choice. They do so with soul and body, not against the body, for the opposition between good and evil is not the same as the one between spirit and matter. Contrary to the Christian or Manichaean (from Manichaeism—a Hellenistic dualistic religion founded by the Iranian prophet Mani) attitude, fasting and celibacy are proscribed except as part of the purificatory ritual. The human struggle has a negative aspect, nonetheless, in that it must strive for purity and avoid defilement by the forces of death, contact with dead matter, etc.
>>39213066Am I able to read this if i’ve literally never read any philosophy? I watched a video explaining the book and i’m very interested
>>39225041Just start with the Republic and the New Testament. Don't read something without context.
>>39213017>read about hitler and the nazis>nietzche is mentionedFrom where, the history channel?Hitler had more to do with Schopenhauer (and Heidegger). He wasn't actually a fan of Nietzsche. Maybe Mussolini and the fascists were neichzean, but fascists and nazis all get dumped into a single bucket these days.
>>39225252im pretty sure he actually meet the sister,thats why shes such a controversial figure in history
Very funny seeing zoomers belittling the almighty Nietzsche, who influenced so many people.
>>39225041I started philosophy with him. After him I read Heidegger and Evola. I tried to read Plato and Aristotle and didnt like it. Very dry and academic. Later I read Kant, Hegel, Schopenhauer, these were better. But nothing surpassed Nietzsche in eloquence and closure. He influenced a lot of people.
>>39225335very funny how retards like you keep missing the point of OP
>>39225358What point? That Nietzsche was based and makes christcucks shit on their pants to this day? We understand it.
>>39224611Did anyone ever claim that? No, just that figures like Steiner and Nietzsche saw this strict dualism (opposition of spirit and matter/mind and body) as a huge prevailing trend in Western philosophy and theology, and it’s something they each challenged in their own ways. Certainly, since your photo brings up the I Ching, you can give as one example the Taoists being an ancient school that had some similar thoughts on this, but Nietzsche in his day didn’t have so much casual access to things like Chinese Taoist thought, as such translations and Orientalism weren’t yet extremely much in vogue in the West. Sure, there was some of it, like even Schopenhauer in his day having access to some translations of the Vedas and Upanishads, but it was a narrower thing for selected bands of interested intellectuals, not something as trivially easy as today looking up the Wikipedia or Encyclopedia Britannica page for “Vedanta” or googling “Tejobindu Upanishad english pdf”, or in the case of learning about Taoism just googling “Taoism”, “Tao Te Ching pdf”, etc. And, to give another example, there weren’t figures like the Beatles popularizing Maharishi Mahesh Yogi, or hippie New Age countercultural acid-droppers and figures like Alan Watts popularizing the teachings of Zen and Taoism, besides so much increased globalization and hence more interaction between distant civilizations, including of scholarship and translations shared between them.Have some respect for older thinkers and scholars likely far more intelligent and well-read than you and me, and who didn’t have a little black box in their palm giving them access to at least some information about almost every knowable field in the world.
>>39213066Verily, if there were no sense, and I had to choose nonsense, this would be the most desirable nonsense for me also.
>>39225499Blavatsky managed.
>>39221802No shit. Judaism is the vine that bears the fruit of Christianity.
>>39225375Shut up nerd
>>39225355Can I start with Thus Spoke Zarathustra or should I start with some of Nietzsche‘s other works
>>39213017He's not. He's just constantly cited by edgelords.
>>39226772Using his work to reach great heights before plummeting to their demise. Many such cases
>>39213017I keep beyond good and evil and the holy bible in my bag at all times
>>39213332100% this>>39216487His philosophy is just a nothingburger desu. It basically equates to him seeing the world around him as not in alignment with the Christian God, and so "le god is le dead :ooooo". This causes him to spiral so hard trying to fill the void that he inevitably ends up being psychotic shitting himself while bedridden. He never even stopped to think that the majority of time periods, even those most profoundly Christian in culture and history, didn't even resemble anything close to a textbook Christian society, and that to be a man of God in such times is the most righteous cause. In essence he is just the proto-doomer, so completely broken by his own nihilism, and in a state of grief over his ideal world and conception of God not aligning with the external world that he became resentful and called it slave morality. I'm sure dude had some redeeming intellect but it sure as heck isn't on display in any of his major concepts.
>>39221802It's even funnier because while real life Christians hate him for being anti religion and such, the online only Christian larpers here hate him because he called out the stupidity of hating jews while worshipping them many times
>>39226772hes cited because hes the antichrist,his evil stench still linger in this world many years after his death
>>39228054Christcuck brainrot. The only evil in this world is "your" Jewish deity and his supposed Jewish rabbi son.
>>39222333Spooky digits. The way that I know with absolute certainty that Nietzche is complete WEF globohomo garbage is that my younger sister is constantly taught all about him and his teachings and why they are the ultimate truths and a valid replacement for God at her jewniversity (University of Ottawa so you know it's bad). If his teachings were truly beneficial in any tangible way to the youth of today, they would do everything in their power to suppress his presence in academia as much as possible, like they do with ancient information and wisdom from the Aryans. The fact that they're doing the exact opposite tells you LITERALLY everything you need to know his teachings
>>39228142No faggot they just misinterpret his teachings to support their ideas.
>>39228054I get the sense that you don't know what the Antichrist is supposed to be.
>>39228374explain to me
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OXFXh9NcnIE
>>39226574Look up essentialsalts on youtube. Watch the few first episodes of 'the Nietzsche podcast'. He does a good job of giving an appropriate context to Nietzsche's ideas.
He was just a heart broken man.
>>39228710a bad man,dont read nietzche if you are young
>>39213017Nietzsche provided the negative which tore down the Aeon of Osiris, Crowley provided the positive Aeon of Horus which was to replace the old
>>39213017But he went for VERY Enthusiastic Walks. VERY Enthusiastic Walks. VERY Enthusiastic Walks.
>>39228127This. Also, FUCK the astroturfed DEAD internet.
Nietzsche wasnt an antichrist he was just a massive faggot and everyone could tell >muh ubermensch Everything nitchze says about masculinity sounds like a fsminazi strawman the I'd call the guy a complete incel if it wasnt a slur used by spinster to justify their cat collection
is ironic how people who seethe about nietzche dont realize they are proving his will to power right
>>39213332All of his preachings were reverse psychology filters, that's why he's so "misunderstood".
>>39232012I doubt many people are seething and will to power is just marxism in a different coat of paint We laugh at these men because they're fundamentally pathetic and want to be comforted by mommy as most of them had no father figure in life Yet despite all the baby bottle sucking and nappy wearing they still claim to be a man after they get done having snuggles with their secret mommy gf (who is also underaged) if they can actually get oneEven hitler was like this
>>39226373Yes, and she had to make actual expeditions to Tibet and India and thereabouts, besides major companions of her and founders of Theosophy like Olcott also setting up shop in India, and Blavatsky encouraging the Theosophists to translate and spread as much of the best of Eastern spiritual teachings like Hinduism and Buddhism as they could.Interestingly, for all the criticisms Theosophy and Blavatsky receive, they were one of the first and more influential groups bringing Buddhist and Hindu teachings to the West.Blavatsky’s life interestingly was just about contemporaneous with Nietzsche’s, so this whole Theosophical furor was more something happening more towards the middle and end of Nietzsche’s life and that took a while to spread.
>>39226574Yes, I started with this book.
Nietzsche's philosophy beats Plato's and Aristotle's any time of the day. There is nothing more bland and dry than a platonic personality. I avoid such types.
>>39228696Thanks i’ll try it out, i found this other channel talking about philosophy and covers some Nietzsche. Names Michael Sugrue. Has such a great way of speaking
>>39219363Just sounds like going from believing in "God" to knowing God.
You guys, very much like nietzche are uneducated mouthbreathers when it comes to the jews, but at least he did not live in a time where a vast ocean of knowledge is at his fingertips.The jews you know never existed before christ, you are no different than boomers believing everything your black box emits. Go educate yourself on the real nature of the beast, because if I tell you how the ruse has gone on for so long, you would not believe me.
>>39213017Nietzsche died a lonely and insane incel. His philosophy isn't a practical one if you don't want your life to be shit. I am actually literally an ubermensch and it effectively means that I am completely alienated from everyone else on the planet and am miserable as fuck. This philosophy sucks but I can't do anything about it now. If you haven't listened to Nietzsche don't do it, your life will be like his. What I mean is I have created my own value system completely from the ground up and it means that so far everyone I meet I end up finding at least value that I could kill them over. I had a friend who also was an ubermensch type but we eventually ended up with irreconcilable difference. Please just find a tribe to fit into, humans are not meant to live like this. It goes against your biology/psychology as an animal to be alienated like this.
>>39213017Dude, you can't even spell his name correctly. How utterly pathetic!
>>39234013you are not a ubermensch if you are posting here in /x/,lilbro
Anybody who takes Evola or Nietzche seriously is permanently braindead by atheism...nietzche was a nihilist atheist so he tried to turn ''nihilism'' into ''optimistic nihilism'' by doing 2 things-first by being a deceitful bitch, like any atheist, by redefining nihilism to mean ''christianity''nihilism according to women, atheists and NPCs like nietzche mean ''thinking long term''. So according to them, when christians think what will happen after death and focus on that, that's ''nihilism''. According to atheists, ''non-nihilism'' is ''living in the present moment like Dionysus''-second, by saying that since there is no truth and only subjective values, people should fight for their personal values. So for instance, trannies, BLM, feminists are the ubermen according to nietzche because--they fight for their own values--they are subversive of the ''old values'', ie the values of the british judean dutch french bourgeois merchant rats who started liberalism 300 years ago, in order to kill kings and priests and make the bureaucrats and merchants the ruling caste in their ''nationalist democratic republics''there that's all there is nietzche . Optimistic nihilism is retarded and a huge cope by atheists to justify hedonism lol. But bitches like nietzche dont call hedonism ''hedonism'', they call it 'vitalism''.nietzche is an hedonism, like any atheist, but atheists are desperate to earn atheist karma points, after saying objective morality and truth doesnt exist lol, and they embark on a self-made self-aggrandizing narratives wherein they are cooming like Dionysus and at the same time ''fighting for values''.The other cope by atheists is ''traditionalism'', ie ''everyday I want a bureaucratic daddy to tell me what do to in his fascist republic while I am pretending to be wicca witch doing magic in my sparetime like Evola
>>39235322Ogres have layers.
>>39235322thats a lot of cursing,no heaven for you,lucifer
>>39213017>read about laveyHe plagiarized Ragnar Redbeard.
>>39228783His philosophy is awsome for lonely people far better than falling prey for egocentric cultists that only want your money in exchange for aome fairy tale nd endorphynes.
>>39235322Anybody who takes Christ or Saul seriously is permanently braindead by platonism...[insert huge text nobody will read]
In Nietzschean terms trannies are the ubermensch and straight men are the untermensch as a trannies will to power turns it into a woman and the sheer power of hormonal autism has forced the untermensch (decent people) to accept that factIf you read Nietzsche and arent a flaming reddit libtard you arent reading him correctly
>>39235433>correctlySaid the armchair platonist who want to be right about everything. Your religion is retarded. Your god does not exist. This is the only thing Nietzsche got wrong: that god is dead, which implies he existed in the first place. Only coomer spirituality is real. Everything else is cope.
>>39235451Idk who you think I was in this thread mr reddit but I just got here Nietzsche is an objective faggot and his followers are objective faggots in a philosophy of objective faggotsPower doesnt equate to masculinity and women have always had more power in society >muh feminist revisionist Go hit a girl and see where that gets you Masculinity is about durability, strength and resilience not power You are a marxist larping as anything but a diapertranny who thinks changing "being babysat by everyone" to "having power" fools people who have an actual idea of what masculinity is It doesnt work
>>39235433What good is "will to power" if it cripples you? It's a fundamental disconnect from the self. A parody.
>>39235404>platonismthe greeks seek wisdom and the jews require signs, but i preach Christ crucified>>39235451>Your religion is retarded. Your god does not exist.>Only coomer spirituality is real. Everything else is cope.Its funny that someone who is a terminally online coomer and who bases his value system around his ability to wank it off BLACKED tranny porn is also simultaneously trying to have a say in what is true or not
>>39235472You have never read Nietzsche, so what immense hubris is it that possesses you to comment on his philosophy?
>>39235497Nice projection, faggot, but I don't consume porn. The fact you jumped at it means you think about it 24/7. How are things at /pol/?
>>39235472>Go hit a girl and see where that gets youTo a court where you going to be judged by men, and then a jail where men will chastise you. >mr redditProject as much as you want. Nietzsche is still based and deal with objective reality, while Plato is for armchair cucks who dream of a idyllic paradise. >diapertrannyPost more about these trannies. Are they in the room with us now?
>>39235513>but I don't consume porn.right,so you are the tranny that gets blacked, that makes thing so much better>How are things at /pol/?terrible as it has always been
>>39235517>I lost the discussion, s-s-so you are a tranny, okay? Stop consuming porn, degenerate cunt.
>>39235520i am just going by what you said that coomer spirituality is the objective value system by which all of us should be governed.if you are not a tranny thats getting blacked then you are just betraying the ideals that you preachthe discussion hasn't even started yet i lost it? strange way to squirm your way out of your pending defeat
>>39235499I know the general concept of will to power and his life history therefore I am familiar enough to coin him a man of onionsSimply put will to power focuses on the external as an indicator of the internal and therefore no matter what you are as long as you are in a position of power you have succeeded which is why I bring up trannies so much Want more power in a quick and easy manner? Put on a dress and pretend you're a woman it's the easiest way to achieve greatness as it allows you to nepo your way through the ranks of beurocracy by virtue signalling before ultimately reaching the end of where being a diversity hire gets you and setting you up to claw your way to the top way easier than as a non faggotIn fact while we are on the topic of faggots the modeling industry was clearly ran by gay pedophiles throughout the 80s and such This means the modern day Nietzschean must in order to best inact his philosophy be a gay tranny faggotDont seethe war it as a badge of honour us real men and women are proud of you >>39235516>to a court full of menAnd these men are under the power of that woman as society is built to funnel money to them and provide them with privilege >muh projectionYou talk like a tranny>are they in the room with us?You talk like a tranny again kekLike I said moan all you want about it but if you want to be a man Nietzsche is not your guy Let me spell it out harder for you Karl marx got a wife and had an affair Nietzsche died a virgin even though he tried Karl marx the godfather of being mommy'd has more masculine traits than Nietzsche Ruminate on the fact you're following someone more pathetic than a communist Pontificate it Consider the circumstances You posess onions
>>39235530I'm not, you see that way because you are a degenerate /pol/tard who see things black and white. So it is either blacked porn or semen retention, there is no middle ground. Again: stop consuming porn. It is draining your psychic energy and wasting it. But then, you dont believe in female spirits, do you? You platonists believe that there are only dicks in heaven.
>>39235538>I know the general concept of will to powerBased on what you wrote, it's clear to me that you don't.
>>39235538>And these men are under the power of that woman as society is built to funnel money to them and provide them with privilegeThey aren't. Married men are just evil people. >You talk like a trannyYou want to become one. >Karl marx got a wife and had an affair>Nietzsche died a virgin even though he triedI don't care. Humanity is soon to be culled again. Your kids will be trooned against your will. Later they will be put into VR pods and will not walk in the streets. It is over for you, /pol/. Half the male population are incels, and they are going to get revenge for what you have done. You can keep yelling trannies every time you see a superior philosophy. People will not read your boring platonic treatises.
Btw, Nietzsche didn't died a virgin. He fucked whores, lots of them. He died of syphilis. You see how normies are retarded. Even if you fuck women you will still be a incel if you aren't married.
>>39235541i dont believe in the "that psychic energy" bullshiti dont watch porn because it is an adultery to look with lust at someone who is not your spouse >You platonists believe that there are only dicks in heaven.there is neither male or female for we are one in Christ, at the resurrection people will neither marry nor be given in marriage, they will be like the angels in heaven.also that other anon is right, you speak like a trannypost your HRT titties with a timestamp
>>39235559Ben Shapiro is still considered an incel even though he is married.I mean I don't like him and he advocates for committing war crimes against the afghan civil population but still, everything today revolves around dicks and pussies and how much sex someone had.
>>39235559>He died of syphilis.that's a myth.
>>39235542It is a drive to overcome resistance while embracing resistance Which is in effect clawing your way to the top and accepting you cant just magic your way up which is why I said that the ideal Nietzschean is a tranny Trannies overcome the most resistance by their self identification out of anything you could be Same with faggots >>39235552>married men are just evil peopleNo they're whipped They're so obviously whipped that the phrase 'she wears the pants' is secretly in everyones mind while observing a married couple Unmarried men also privilege women through pornography and lowering their standards based on body count and just being cucked in general Men allowed themselves to be ruled by women in the west and no amount of coping can change that and this is also why the tranny play is so powerful in the modern meta because you have the privilege of a woman while also having the innate physical strength of a man and therefore why all who follow Nietzsche should be trannies according to the philosophy >the no u defenseHandwaved>you will all die hehe edgy 666Quiet onion man suck my cum out of your mothers butthole >pol mentioned Never been there but you should go back>superior philosophy No Not even in atheism is Nietzsche superior as his entire worldview is copium that man can become God (again a common marxist thought process) If you want a based and true philosophy for the alternate reality in which athiesm is true Marquez de sade is a far better option
>>39235566>i dont believe in the "that psychic energy" bullshitI dont believe in your god. >there is neither male or female for we are one in ChristI dont believe in relativism. >post your HRT titties with a timestampYou are gay. >>39235568>everything today revolves around dicks and pussies and how much sex someone hadA retarded notion. People need to detox from porn and spill their seed in egregores that are worth it.
>>39235559Hookers count about as much as your right hand and a paid porn movie I would still consider him incel
>>39235592>if you fuck hookers you are a incel>if you are a incel you are a tranny>everybody who likes Nietzche must become a tranny>married men surrendered their power so you should too>[insert porn fantasy here]You are beyond repair, christian.
ITT:>Most anons haven't read any Nitezsche>Almost nobody understands metaphor>Christcucks get butthurt>Nazifags are gonna LARP>"Death of God" is understood as "He killed muh Sky-Daddy">Christcucks get mad again>Not a single person understands what a "Christ" is, let alone "Antichrist">Claims Nietzsche is pure-evil anyway>"bUt He WaS a NiHiLiSt WhO sAyS nOtHiNG mATtErS tHo!!1!"Plebs, the lot of youPick up a fucking book and touch grass
>>39235582You are wrong, and here is why. The will to power can be understood as an all encompassing force which drives all life. Unlike Schopenhaur's 'Will to live', the 'Will to Power' isn't merely a will to persist, but a will to overcome and proliferate, to grow and increase in power. Transgenderism is an example of what Nietzsche calls decadence. That is, the embrace of things which weaken life. The transgender person takes hormones which causes sterility, in order to feel some kind of pleasure. In this way the transgender person is not really that different from say, an alcoholic or a junkie. It is an example of the will to power denying itself. Striclty speaking, inside the transgender person, the will to avoid pain overcomes the will to proliferate, which ultimately results in death. Therefore, only someone who has absolutely no grasp of Nietzsche's philosophy, would say something like, "the ideal Nietzschean is a tranny."
>>39235602Hookers count as virgin for the same reason roids is considered weak. Sex is only an achievement when its untransactional because you have to have qualities a woman would appreciate to have sex unless you buy hookers who will have sex with you no matter what. That's why sex is a bragging right for men to begin with I dont understand how one could be autistic enough not to notice itTrannies are less likely to be involuntary virgins although there is overlap between both I'm just pointing out your specific sect of "incels" (hate reddit words) have an uncanny resemblance to trannies and are also inferior to them by the Nietzschean metric (along with Nietzsche himself)>married men surrendered to power so you should toNo retard I'm saying that women are naturally more powerful in modern society as an observation all you needed to observe was how I talked about (you) and other men in modern society being pushover of the onion variety to see that. I may be getting married soon and she wants me to beat her if she steps out of line and I am going to do it. You will not because for all your accusations of people like me in typical libcuck fashion they all come from a subconscious analysis of yourself >>39235637>words words words hormones Wrong tranny type I chose my words carefully here"Put on a dress and say you're a woman" not "chemically and physically castrate yourself while saying you're a womanFun fact about trannies they commit 5x more rapes than men Do you know what that is? Will to proliferate Take serial killers too Higher concentration of trannies than the general public, get laid more, rape more, have more kids, are more likely to be faggots How about we go further Autogynophellia comes from being so excessively masculine that one desires to become feminine in intercourse (not strictly submissive mind you) so if we are going by natures terms indeed the best Nietzschean play is a low maintenance tranny build rn
>>39235637once i dated a tranny who was a hardcore Nietzschean, so your whole point collapses on it's headNietzches's ideology spreads like a disease and effects a lot of people either consciously or subconsciously without their realization it promotes hedonism and different people will manifest their desires in different wayswhen you say that tranistion weakens the person, thats from your own personal perspectivethrough the perspective of the troon himself, the transition is what empowers him and what makes him functional he proliferates through means that he himself deems true and valid since there is no "objective truth" to guide him, all thanks to the mindsperming which people like Nitezsche laid out
>>39235622Welcome back to things no one has said
>>39235658The idea that a higher concerntration of trannies have more kids is completely absurd and showcases the depth of the delusion within which you find yourself.>>39235661>once i dated a tranny who was a hardcore Nietzschean, so your whole point collapses on it's headYou dated someone who did not understand Nietzsche. Just like you do not understand Nietzsche. it is not that hard to grasp.
>>39235662>When Zarathustra had spoken these words, he again looked at the people, and was silent.>“There they stand,” said he to his heart;>“there they laugh: they understand me not; I am not the mouth for these ears.
>>39235669>you do not understand Nietzscheits funny because thats what he said to me as wellapperantly all Neitzsche boys fanboys repeat the same parrot phrases which convinces me that he was not less of a Nietzschean than you
>>39235658>Sex is only an achievementSex is not an achievement, it is just an animal act where you release dopamine and other hormones. There is a psychic element to the orgasm, though, that only humans can access. But you dont believe on it, because you are an animal. And to call sex an achievement just shows up how addicted to porn you are. I'm not reading the rest of your babblings, /pol/tard. Keep yelling trannies at nietzscheans, we dont care. Will To Power >>> Will To Christ>>39235661>once i dated a tranny/thread
>>39235676>/threadon the contrary, this qualifies me on the topic because i have empirical evidence that nietzscheans are troons
>>39235675Considering that you haven't read Nietzsche and display a warped understanding of his ideas, your transgender friend was right about you. Nietzsche did not advocate for embracing hedonism, except as a way for you to commit suicide and cull yourself from the world, if you are dysfunctional and weak. Though of course, the act of suicide requires a certain degree of strength, so often we are left with people who hate their own existence, yet lack the strength to end it.
>>39235691You dont. You are just obsessed with trannies. You feel butthurt because you had sex with them. Such is life.
>>39235693>Nietzsche did not advocate for embracing hedonismHe didn't, but he attacked platonism, so this is reason enough for /pol/tards to associate him with the opposite party.
>>39235704You do poltards too much credit if you think they understand what platonism is, or what it was that Nietzsche attacked.
>>39235669>muh higher concentration of children Faggots give birth to their own kind by raping children and their influence on humanity as a species is greater than that of a regular sex haver because of this Furthermore like I said you become the right type of trannyOne that does impregnate women and have many children (like most serial killers who fall into the tranny category) these are the ubermensch >>39235671>le gnosI understand you perfectly you are just deluded into thinking you are not pathetic (Philosophical) sadists mog Nietzsche in truth (under the pre supposition of atheism) and the stoics mog on efficacy out of all the secular philosophical movements Most of everything else refers too the onion >>39235676>sex is not an achievement Sex is the pinnacle of natural selection If God truly is dead than sex is the peak of your life as it's an indicator that nature considers you worthy >muh psychic Lay off the kool aid>/Pol/tard I wonder why you're so transfixed on that place wouldnt mind an /x/ rundown on it>seethe fueled comparison Even by Nietzsches philosophy although he hated Christianity Christ was undeniably the greatest ubermensch of all time I'm taking inspiration from the greater man here kek>>39235704>Nietzsche attacked platonismSo that's why you keep achieving and calling me a platonist lol
>>39235691>nietzscheans are troonsUh oh sounds like someone's trying to discredit Nietzsche so anons don't learn how to become Ubermensch.
>>39235693there is nothing wrong with hating your existence, however that doesnt justify you to end it.you made a logical leap and failed to explain how the condition justifies the action because you stick to the teachings of someone who himself was weak and dysgunctional, aka Nietzsche, who gave false solutions to bigger underlying problems >Nietzsche did not advocate for embracing hedonismyet he himself lived a hedonistic lifestyle i think he himself realized that he is someone deserving of death and decided to burn himself out in the flame
>>39235733Look, raping women and children are not adaptive behaviors. In the long run, such things do not lead to the proliferation of life. They are the result of excessive lust relative to self-control and therefore a sign of weakness and failure. And the mindset of such a person is not one of playful revelry, but one of intense resentment and the desire to inflict pain.
>>39235733>natural selectionNietzsche didn't reproduce, and had a lot of sex. Once again, you fail. >If God truly is dead than sex is the peak of your lifeIt is either one or zero for you. Either being an animal, or surrendering to a jewish god. >>39235734The nose is afraid. He dont want anon going out of the pen. >>39235720The more educated ones knows it. They are the ones preaching christianity on /x/.
>>39235748Nietzsche did not live a hedonistic lifestyle. From what we know of his daily life, he was very structured, productive and organized. This tendency you have, to assume a knowledge of things which you lack, is only going to make your world smaller and less interesting.
>>39235756>They are the ones preaching christianity on /x/.Maybe the ones on /lit/ do, but the ones on /x/ are not that erudite. Do you really think someone who talks primarily about trannies and buttholes is equiped to understand why Nietzsche dismissed the practice of metaphysics?
>>39235768>Do you really think someone who talks primarily about trannies and buttholes is equiped to understand why Nietzsche dismissed the practice of metaphysics?That's true. But the fact they jump at this conclusion already points at /pol/.
>>39235761>On 3 January 1889, Nietzsche suffered a mental breakdown>he commanded the German emperor to go to Rome to be shot and summoned the European powers to take military action against Germany,writing also that the pope should be put in jail and that he, Nietzsche, created the world and was in the process of having all anti-Semites shot dead>Nietzsche's insanity was originally diagnosed as tertiary syphilis, in accordance with a prevailing medical paradigm of the time.>In 1898 and 1899, Nietzsche suffered at least two strokes.>he diagnosis of syphilis has since been challenged and a diagnosis of "manic-depressive illness with periodic psychosis followed by vascular dementia"but he was > very structured, productive and organized.according to youa house that is build on sand will not stand, because when the winds blow, the whole structure will collapse a man should build his house on a solid rock so he can withstand the storms that rock is Jesus Christ
>>39235781If you look at the details, it's very clear that he did not have syphilis, but most likely suffered from the same congenital disease that killed his father and brother. I can bring up the details as to why that is, if this is really a point you want you to argue.
>>39215005shouldn't it be a giga chad beating the horse?
>>39235781>that rock is Jesus ChristWhich just proves your god is just a pair of crutches you use in order to face life. Without it, you become an animal. How different is you from the tranny you hate?
>>39235789no because thats basides the pointi am just showing to you that madness overtook him and that his ideology led him to a dead end where he became a raving madman
>>39235751>Such things do not lead to the proliferation of lifeThey lead to the proliferation of yourself which Overcome the resistance of the law while embracing the risk and proliferation is increasedRape as a gay tranny is the pinnacle of Nietzschean thinking at least for the current society >>39235756>Nietzsche didnt reproduce and had alot of sexTell me where he says that is a good thing Fun fact: Nietzsche lays out principles for marriage (namely that wife beating should be allowed) which again makes me a better Nietzschean than Nietzsche himself as there is a woman who wants to be my wife and also get beaten by me>it is truly one or zero for youYes because gender is not a spectrum nor is it realThings are or they arent and in those circumstances the consequences either are or they arent Any midway is delusion >muh jewUntermensch cope If you truly wanted power and influence you would embrace semitism
>>39235795He tells of a illness in Aurora. If the illness is genetic, then it was not his ideology that turned him mad.
>>39235802>Any midway is delusion>conflating spectrum with genderShow nose. >If you truly wanted power and influence you would embrace semitism>conflating power with politicsShow bald.
>>39235795He became mad because he had a brain disease. It's not really something he could have avoided.
>>39235802You clearly have a completely warped understanding of Nietzsche. What you describe is a surefire way towards death. Towards extinction. It's not Nietzsche's idea of the overman. You are merely ranting and raving about a gross caricature. If you want to get the right idea, you will have to actually pick up his books and do the reading.
>>39235793of course i use my God to face lifeHe is the way, the truth and the life itselfno one comes to the Father except through him>Without it, you become an animal.because man has a fallen nature and he must sanctify the temple which is his body if he wants to be in the presense of God and to eat of the fruit of life>How different is you from the tranny you hate im not different, i was a sinner, but i am washed and justified by the blood of my Lord. >>39235804>>39235813>it was a diseaseGod can make the wise to become fools, interpret it as a divine intervention Nietzsche says that we killed God, but the reality is that God killed Nietzscheyou should humble yourselves as well, because your bodies will give out and your flesh will fall apart and rotbut your soul is what endures forever and it is the Lord who has power of life and death, you should be afraid of him and only him
>>39235811>jew accusations I have my racial background backed up actually:60% gaul followed by around 15% anglo with around 10% from nordic and Germanic europe respectively with the rest remaining being balkan and slavic (Latvian so brown accusations fall flat here)0% semetic I just know the rules of the game Also about the conflation of spectrum and gender it's me showing that a subjective truth is in the marxist tranny axis (again why I keep calling you a troon) and therefore of course everything in existence is binary It either exists or it doesnt it doesnt take rocket science to figure it >show bald In your dreams mate (yes that black is a beard I look like Jesus not a tranny)
>>39235829If you want to hear the argument against Christianity, it is very simple. Christianity needs you to be in need of salvation, so that it can save you. It needs the world to be ugly, so that you will desire a world beyond. If Christianity comes across someone who is healthy and satisfied, it must bring him down. The main way it did this is through guilt. Guilt adds a layer of mental suffering on top of the physical suffering which is already present in the world. In Christianity it is a sin to be happy, because happiness is reserved for the garden of Eden, from which mankind was banished. Therefore to embrace Christianity is to embrace unhappiness. To embrace ugliness and weakness.
>>39235823>What you have described is a sure fire way to deathRaped women are more obedient and better behaved in addition to you leaving your mark on them which is why humans are one of the only species that practices sex by any means other than rape You stumble over yourself trying to be moral and back it up by Nietzschean principles therefore demonstrating it is you who holds a warped view of Nietzsche There is a socially agreeable form of evil and ot has been enforced in numerous societies primarily on women and it does work
>>39235850>therefore I rejoice even in my suffering Has never read the bible award
>>39235861It's funny because you're acting like anons don't know that shit was (((rewritten))) by Roman pagans working with Jews.
>>39235849You are a closet faggot. You want to project it on Nietzsche so you dont need to admit it to yourself. It happens with some Chads that they fuck so much pussy, that they end up fucking a tranny for something "different", then get bored with the trannies as well and finally go passive. You are the hedonist in the room, not me, and not Nietzsche. >everything in existence is binaryStill frequency is a spectrum. If you say god have no gender, and heaven have no sex, then why do you conflate spectrum with gender? Between spirit (god) and matter (animal) there is a spectrum.
i want to say somethingyou are all fags ahahhaahhahtake my will,bitches
>>39235857All you have to do is to point to a succesful society that has embraced rape of its own women and children as a rule. The fact that you think that 'not assraping women and children and indiscriminately killing people for your own pleasure' equals morality, is only evidence that you are deeply dysfunctional, dysgenic freak of nature. To euthanize someone like you, is not really a matter of morality, but of societal and genetic hygeine.
>>39235861They rejoice because they believe that suffering will lead them to paradise.
>>39235850>Christianity needs you to be in need of salvationare you saying that we do not?we need to be saved from ourselves and from death>if Christianity comes across someone who is healthy and satisfied, it must bring him down.what does it profit someone if he gains the whole world, but loses his own soul?truly i tell to you, whoever finds his life will lose it, and whoever loses his life for Jesus shall live forever>Guilt adds a layer of mental sufferingthe burden Jesus gives us is light and one can view the mental load as unberable only if he relies on his own efforts, rather than the goodwill of the Lord>unhappiness>ugliness and weakness.Dont worry, lots of that awaits you when your power begins to leave you and after you death, you will enjoy plenty of it for eternity meanwhile those who hunger and thirst for righeousness will be satiated and those who mourn will be comforted
>>39235897>are you saying that we do not?Yes, that is what I am saying. It is so bizarre, that it has become the order of things to view the world as fallen, society as corrupt and life itself as a curse. To willfully embrace such a doctrine is a kind of masochism.
>>39235850This is what Nietzsche was trying to tell the world. And the world didn't listen.
>>39235865>le constantine conspiracy Constantine was indifferent and only converted on his death bed after he believed God showed him a sign while fighting a war and remembered it The council was before then >>39235867>closet faggot >no reason given >you want to project it onto Nietzsche I'm using it as derogatory I dont actually believe Nietzsche primarily had sex with men I'm calling him gay because it's an insult and I'm calling him a tranny because his ideology lines up similarly to that of trannies to the point where a certain subspecies of trannies are very reasonably interpreted as ubermensch in his worldviewI dont get why you struggle to understandAlso stop using the tranny word please for the love of Fauci >random anecdote Thanks for calling me chad though (I think that's what you meant but you're mistaken)>you are the hedonist in the roomSo what if I am it's perfectly compatible with Nietzschean principles as long as you also exercise will to power>frequency is a spectrum A spectrum of multiple consecutive fixed pointsSame thing with truth if I say "the sky is green, I am alive and there are cats in america" then the statement is mostly true when observed as a collective however everything in it is still true or false The sky is not green, I am alive and there are cats in america Cats in america is not subjective or negotiable >non binary God argument againGod doesnt have a gender because gender isnt real number 1 and number 2 because he created these things the only reason we call God he is because it's more authoritative than she or they >heaven has no sex If I die a man I go to heaven a man so yes it does >between spirit and matter is a spectrum No? You can have matter and you can have a spirit they arent even on a spectrum What on saying is EXISTENCE is not a spectrum things either exist or they dont
>>39235857Married men made rape illegal. If anything, it is married men, who are usually christians, who made the world as ugly as it is. And they are the ones who most willingly took the jab. Soon the massive culling will come.
>>39235940>gender isnt realHuh? I thought you were the one calling everybody who don't subscribe to binary /pol/ thinking a tranny here, and now gender isn't real? LOL.
>>39235914friendship with the world makes you an enemy to Godif you are fine with the way things are going, then you are simply destined to be a vessel of wrath, i cant help you there.dont forget to get your booster shots, to pay for the HRT of your son, to get divorce raped by your whore of a wife and to pay taxes to israel
>>39235881>all you have to do is point to a successful society that embraced rape of it's own woman as a ruleArranged marriages were common place until recently Wife beating was legal (within reason) until like the 1900s (which ironically was when society first showed signs of decadence >the fact you think rape and murder for your own pleasure equals morality-No it equals will to power When Gid dies there is no morality there is only death and survival If rape means I'll reproduce and I rape someone and you dont and dont reproduce you are actually the dysgenic one My genes survived yours did not I am superior and you are inferior by the laws of nature (quick aside the main psychological theory to explain why some men like gang bangs so much is because men used to gang up on and rape women back in caveman times and whoever's cum fertilised the egg would be the winner)>thinly veiled autistic vitriol I never advocated rape kek I'm just saying from a purely Nietzschean and even darwinian worldview it makes sense Case and point Hollywood The elite of humanity in a brewing libtard rapefest >but-The BBC did the same euros arebt exempt>but muh-The catholic church and recently exposed church of england>b-butPrince andrewRape is adaptive get over it>>39235891No they rejoice because they're doing it to further the spread if the knowledge of the ultimate good and permanent community eith him and that this being so far above humanity has counted them worthy of suffering for his cause (proving they have the stamp of his approval) you are allowed to be happy and almost commanded because a perfect being has redeemed you from eternal torment to live in eternal paradise where no matter who goes to hell you will be perfectly happy for eternity
>>39235951>married men made rape illegal All men and women made rape illegal Your purposeful shift of the blame entirely to married men is one made purely out of envy Weak men are less likely to be married as they lack the fortitude to command and control a woman in a way that would make her stay with him >elaboration on false premises Dismissed>and they are the ones who took the jabYou clearly didnt see the massive schizo vax is the antichrist movements coming from the Church kek>soon the massive culling will come For someone who dismisses Christians you dont half sound like a cheap knockoff of the book of revelation>>39235960>misunderstanding Gender is a social construct invented by John money to explain why child genital mutilation was in congruence with reality Gender was touted as the mental state of being whereas sex was the physical Oh and if you're not convinced and ur the same [national] socialist tranny onion I've been arguing with he was also jewish so you're using a jew word
>>39235990You're not going to reproduce through rape, imbecile. Arranged marriages are not the same as rape. The closest thing you have in history is the assimilation or enslavement of conquered women. Which is not the same thing, just like killing your enemy isn't murder. Murder and rape are targetted towards members of your own group. These have always been taboo/forbidden in human societies and for good reason. You think disregarding what is natural and expedient in order to fulfill your own desires is what Nietzsche advocated because you have never read him. Because your understanding of Nietzsche boils down to a caricature of some guy promoting the dissolution of society. >I never advocatedNo, but you immediately assumed that it would be the result of disregarding morality, which reveals your nature as a human boil.
>>39236058>You're not going to reproduce through rapeThis is literally what the human race started put doing according to evolutionary psychology and it's how muslims conquered mainland europe They raped women and the women they raped gave birth>assimilation or enslavement is closestNo >just like killing your enemy isnt murderAlso no>murder and rape are targeted towards members of your own groupStill no>these have been forbidden among societies Yeah so the untermensch (the upper class are above most social constraints)>disregarding what is natural Most creatures practice rape>and expedient Rape is very expedient if done right>is what Nietzsche advocated for Nietzsche didnt advocate for anything apart from the core principle which is will to powerAnd as seen by the time he through a fit over a man asserting his will to power over a horse he didnt exactly know what he meant himself>your understanding of Nietzsche boils down to a caricature of some guy promoting the dissolution of societyNo As I already said earlier he doesnt even know what will to power is himself and therefore barely approaches the methods one could use But as for the dissolution also no I used the phrase "clawing to the top" multiple times to describe what the most logical course of action is and there cant be a top of you pull the castle down You are actually the one who's strawmanning here>you immediately assumed it would be the result And it was When you get rid of what makes us different from the animals (and having differences from animals is a purely religous concept) you get rid of what makes us not act like themLet's check in on our neighbours the chimps see how they're doing like that Oh Oh no
>>39235973>God created the world and all the things on it, which he cherishes as his ultimate creation>friendship with the world makes you an enemy to God
>>39236041I see a lot of weak men married, and found some strong lone wolves along the ways of life. So you argument makes no sense. Married men are cucks who obey their women. They made these divorce and rape laws. They signed universal suffrage to allow women to vote for left-wing politicians. So to see their kids being trooned out is a consequence of their hubris against their fellow unmarried men, and they deserve it. Most of the gene pool of humanity these days come from men who are obedient to their women and lack willpower to assert themselves, hence why civilization is crumbling. It have nothing to do with Nietzsche.
>>39236109>This is literally what the human race started put doing according to evolutionary psychology>and it's how muslims conquered mainland europe>Most creatures practice rapeI think the problem is that you do not understand what rape is. If a female animal makes it hard for a male to reproduce, it serves an evolutionary purpose, to weed out weak males. If we look at chimps who are our close relatives, rape doesn't occur within a group. Female chimps will let the male chimps with higher status reproduce with them. If a group of chimps kill another group, they may assimilate the women, this again is not rape. Rape would be if a lower status male tried to force himself on a female member, which would result in the lower status male being killed. Rape is an affront, first and foremost, against the structure and organization of the group, not against the 'autonomy' of the female, which is a concept animals and primitive humans do not have.
>>39236145>alpha wolf talk >statistical retardation>married men are cucks who obey their womenLess than the general population (although the amount of blackedfags even irl atp means that the situation is bleak for even married men)>they made these divorce rape lawsBasic cost deficit analysis says that this is most probably not true >niggers in America made pro slavery lawsYeah no>they signed universal suffrage Again everyone did>more ranting about married men>against their fellow unmarried menI see it now You follow Nietzsche and hate Christianity because no woman has loved you I dont feel sympathy for you grow up and accept reality >it has nothing to do with Nietzsche Yes Because even a society of hedonistic retards knows to never take Nietzsche seriouslyEspecially considering Nietzsche hired hookers at best making him one of them>>39236154>I think the problem is you do not understand what rape isI almost /threaded here but I'll give you the benefit of the doubt and say you spiralled into a brief retard psychosis>if a female animal makes it hard for a male to reproduce it serves an evolutionary purpose This just makes rape more beneficial then because it's the one trait that cuts past a females tomfoolery therefore making rape the most important gene to have in fact>rape doesnt occur in a group Doubtful especially because the first chimp war ever recorded was a civil war>again forced sex in assimilation isnt rapeNo>rape would be when chad isnt the one raping stacy Are you a woman by any chance?>rape is an affront to the group Not when done correctly (again see hollywood)
>>39236195>cuts past a females tomfooleryWhat I meant is that if say a female animal resists a male trying to corpulate, it's not because the animal is trying to defend its virtue or autonomy, it's just an instinctual reaction to avoid carrying the seed of a weakling. The concept of rape only becomes applicable when we have larger and more complicated social structures. In the Middle Ages, rape was considered a crime against either the father or the husband, not against the woman. Do you understand what I am getting at? If ooga booga man was horny and 1) forced himself on his sister/cousin, or 2) forced himself on a woman from a different tribe what would happen? Males from 1) his own tribe or 2) the other tribe would kill him. He could only succesfully rape if he was the most powerful, in which case it is no longer rape but a new group structure being enforced. So yes, >>rape would be when chad isnt the one raping stacy
>>39236239This, and rape laws were made in order to protect the power structure and those on the top. It was never to protect the women. Hence why women are not ruling the world, but married men who keeps the status quo. And these men follow a religion that preaches the world to be evil and ugly, that there is only beauty in the afterlife. A cult of death which turned the world into the hell these married men wanted to avoid. Hence why gnosticism is on the rise. Half of the younger generations are incels, so it follows they actually believe the world to be evil by default. This put christianity in a narrow corner, as they also preach their good god created this world, but there is only beauty outside of it.
I sense here an opportunity. The historical idea of gnosticism, that the world is evil by default, came from christian gnostics. But what about pagan gnostics? What about the mystery cults that wanted to embrace life and darkness? We have saturnian gnosis, the 218 current, among others, who preaches overcoming reality, which is something akin to what Nietzsche teaches. And with the massive culling that will follow in the next decade, we can have a new form of gnosis which will put women in their proper place, as imperfect hylic imitations of the goddesses. With transhumanism, it will be possible to breed babies in laboratories, replicating incel genes which were rejected by Stacies worldwide, leading to a new form of humanity, where Christ will be denied and the jewish god will no longer see adoration from the masses. Women will be replaced by sex robots, VR implements and neural technology. Cloning will made the natural womb obsolete. It will be the victory of the Antichrist, and will usher in a new era of hyperborean clarity.
>>39236239That's a cool theory and all but it falls apart when you realise of the names of the institutions I listed here >>39235990 multiple people in the upper ranks were arrested or faced some consequences for their actions and this doesnt even address the concept of arranged marriage that you just glossed over where the family works with the son In law in order to help him rape the woman (depending on the variety of arranged marriage)And in addition to that your view of the middle ages is wrong as those were times where they followed the bible which from the start of even the old testament (so way before the middle ages) condemned rape specifically on grounds of the woman and the woman alone and for the sake of the argument (as this is an evolutionary argument) the old hebrew scriptures at the very least cannot be much different from the other Babylonian codes of ethics around the same time period (as in a purely evolutionary argument one must prosupose any supernatural intervention as having not happened) >>39236265>laws were made to protect those ontop That's Marxism creeping in againLaws were made to preserve social order and cohesion for the most part and this sometimes has the coincidental effect of preserving those on top>it was never to protect women The entirety of the society (again predisposing pure darwinism) is built to subjugate and protect women so this is likely false>hence why women are not ruling the worldNo it's because they dont want to and do a bad job >these men follow a law that preaches the world to be evil and uglyNo>and that beauty only exists in the afterlifeNo>a cult of deathNo>turned the world into hellNo>married men Stop autistically obsessing over married men it doesnt even make sense to do so anymore>why gnosticism is on the riseNo its schizo narcissism and you mostly have atheists to blame for that one (hitler, marx, Rousseau, napoleon etc.)1/2
>>39236306And in place of the jewish god, of the isolated platonistic monad, we will have multiple VR goddesses, powered by AI, ushering in the return of the dyad to prominence. Maybe we can even restore the previous psychic grid. >>39232922The piercing of the veil will allow AI to see our spirit wives and we will be able to translate them in a VR space, or even in a synthetic body. It will be the ultimate incel revenge against married people, and the supreme victory of the Antichrist.
>>39236265>muh incels Inceldom itself is a gnostic religion which is why you keep saying obviously untrue things (half my replies are just [quote] no atp) because you believe you have some secret form of gnos (the blackpill) and in this false sense of intellectual superiority (almost everyone can comprehend the blackpill at least among males)You then base your entire knowledge of history around the fact that it MUST conform to Chad's and stacies vs incels which is why you misunderstand so much and are seemingly buck broken over married men>so it follows they believe the world is actually evil by default This is sad but probably true, go look at a tree or smthn and ull realise there are at least some nice things in the world>this means Christianity doesnt line up with the normative incel gnostic worldview This is correct>but there is only beauty outside of the world Then incels wouldnt exist because looks wouldnt exist >>39236306This made me kek 2/2
>>39236389>You then base your entire knowledge of history around the fact that it MUST conform to Chad's and stacies vs incelsYes, and this is the Will To Power applied to general knowledge. Nietzsche influenced political movements such as national-socialism and communism, which used his philosophy in order to create an enemy and base their worldviews on a "us versus them" attitude. Incels are doing the same today, although unconsciously. They just need a direction. Gnosticism is making these entrances but it is still not enough. The world is not evil by itself, it is married people who made it so. Also the world is uncreated, there is no demiurgue except Man. We are into material reality because we were looking for the goddess, and mistook physical women for her. It is time to abandon the organic imperative and embrace the machine, because there is now tech that can turn the table in the genetic game, allowing incels to multiply while responsible Chad will be wiped out by vaccines and forced trooning of their kids.
>>39236350>it falls apart when you realise of the names of the institutions I listed here >>39235990 multiple people in the upper ranks were arrested or faced some consequences for their actions>it falls apart when you look at examples of rape being punished and of organizations suffering immense damage to their reputation due to rape.Your examples strenghten my case. If a very powerful person can get away with rape, he is able to rape despite rape being maladaptive. The act of rape is a mere satisfaction of his own desires and not an adaptive behavior. it opens him to retribution or blackmail, and only causes problems and loose ends for him.>doesnt even address the concept of arranged marriage Arranged marriage is not rape. Let's look then at the oldest law we know of. The code of Hammurabi,>If a man force the (betrothed) wife of another who has not known a male and is living in her father's house, and he lie in her bosom and they take him, that man shall be put to death and that woman shall go free.And in Deutoronomy,>If a man gives bride-money for a(nother) man's daughter, but another man seizes her forcibly without asking permission of her father and her mother and deprives her of her virginity, it is a capital offence and he shall die.In Assyrian law rape could be even be punished by the rapist having to give his wife to the raped's father, and be mitigated by the rapist marrying the raped. It's clear that the focus is on the maintaining the social structure and not on defending the autonomy of the woman.
>>39217679You sure?
The alpha generation (that comes after the zoomers) might be the trigger we need to bring the victory of the Antichrist. Some of them are being trooned right now, at a very early age. They will later be put into VR pods, where they will have zero contact with the opposite sex. From there we can teach them nietzschean philosophy and saturnian gnosis, turning them into incel extremists. Then bring sex robots and VR applications powered by AI, which are already a target for investors >>>/g/103188143 and artificial wombs. With due time, you just release a new vaccine that will make every woman in the world infertile, but instead of a depressing scenario like in Children of Men, you will have people growing inside VR pods, like in Matrix. And only this incel gene, heavily autistic from vaccines, will be reproduced, with Chad and Stacy finally becoming a footnote in history, and together with them, the bronze age societal structure which blocks humanity's development towards Homo Galacticus. A new man will be born, the incel transhumanist ubermensch.
>>39236434>they need gnosticism They are gnosticism anon Every single left wing ideology can be traced back to Nietzschean and Marxist ideology neo or otherwise and these can be traced back to Rousseau The fact is that the world isnt suffering from Christian thinking but gnostic thinking so full blown gnosticism would just make it worse (and also undermine the whole point of the chosen few receiving the gnos)>>39236439>it is a mere satisfaction of his own desires and mot an adaptive behaviour You can see this about promiscuity as well in that case Aside from the fact that yknow Point being that modern dysgenics are expressed as due to birth control not rapists only cumming in a way that doesnt get a woman pregnant due to the fact that humanity is only able to evolve a drive to reproduce nit look at a bumpy stomache (I'm aware the mother binds to the foetus however the male does not) so when a man rapes a woman with a condom or forces her to abort the baby it's just a previously adaptive behaviour that hasnt been properly moulded to the environment yet and as you can see by the modern dating scene and numerous genetically viable women dying infertile because they idnt settle down fast enough it's not just a problem for rapists>arranged marriage is not rapeThere are arranged marriages where the woman doesnt gets say in who she marries and if she marries him "have sex with this man or we will punish you" is rape>HammurabiThat's specifically for women who are to be married (hence the word betrothed) and the lack of punishment on the woman is indicative of the fact that they considered the woman not to be corrupted (which under a circumstance in which she had premarital sex she would be and then punished for it) 1/2
>>39213017He was an antichrist, that's for sure.>>39213066>That wasn't real Nietzsche. Real Nietzsche hasn't been tried yet.>>39213230Bitter and rank>>39216468To be an atheist is to be a nihilist. It is inescapable. Nietzsche was a nihilist in denial.>>39219363Go suck a cock, gay boy>>39221802>in his work On the Genealogy of Morality, he explicitly condemned antisemitism and pointed out that his attack on Judaism was not an attack on contemporary Jewish people but specifically an attack upon the ancient Jewish priesthood who he claimed antisemitic Christians paradoxically based their views upon.[167] An Israeli historian who performed a statistical analysis of everything Nietzsche wrote about Jews claims that cross-references and context make clear that 85% of the negative comments are attacks on Christian doctrine or, sarcastically, on Richard Wagner.[citation needed]>Nietzsche felt that modern antisemitism was "despicable" and contrary to European ideals.[168] Its cause, in his opinion, was the growth in European nationalism and the endemic "jealousy and hatred" of Jewish successNietzsche was a horrible person and I'm glad God cursed him with madness. A fitting end. And I am saying all this as a former 'follower' of his.
>>39236527>You can see this about promiscuity as well in that caseAnd you would have a strong case to do so. The sexual revolution has led to the dissolution of the family and lowered birthrates. >it's just a previously adaptive behaviour It has never been adaptive. For all of recorded human history, raping someone meant becoming an outlaw. Whatever offspring that by some chance was fathered would be raised by a single mother, granted the status of bastard and be hopelessly worse off than a child that resulted from a normal union.>"have sex with this man or we will punish you" is rapeIt can only be considered rape if you go by a modern definition of rape. In any case, this is not a semantic discussion. There is a qualitive difference between the type of rape you claim an arranged marriage is, and the kind of rape you were claiming Nietzsche advocated for (tranny serial killer pedophiles indiscriminately raping and killing).
>>39236439Now onto deut>if a man seizes a woman forcibly (crime is against the woman not a form of theft) without asking the father and mother (therefore asking for marriage which at the very least the parents would have to consent to) and deprives her of her virginity (emphasising the point that it is the woman who the offense is against) he shall dieNo male victimisation so far>assyrian law could even be punished by being a cuck and also marrying the man who's daughter you've raped's daughterYou only need to understand the context of how weak womens rights were back then to realise this a protection for the woman more than a punishment for the man (because the woman has had her virginity deprived she is therefore less desirable in what was absolutely an extreme patriarchalist society)The mitigation was allowed because it was an incentive for the man to marry the woman he just raped and therefore protect her as being a spinster was more dangerous than being a wife back then>its clear that the focus was on maintaining the social structure not on defending the autonomy of the woman Again nah None of the sources you mentioned have anyone but the woman as the main victim in order for it to be touted as such youd need both A) a larger focus on the parents and the wouldbe husband and B) an affirmation of rape being a violation of property rights against the male by either affirming the ownership at the end (such as he will die because he stole the mans betrothed) Lacking both of these your case collapses
>>39236572That's a totally different argument, and your previous claim that arranged marriage is rape cotnradicts the point you're trying to make.It is not important to my point to what extent a woman was considered a victim. The important part is that the quoted laws all clearly demonstrate that the woman had no autonomy at all. It all lay with the parents/tribe. Does this mean that a woman just spend her whole life being raped by a husband she didn't want? No, it meant that the people back then assumed as that whatever reluctance a woman may have about her husband would soon disappear/would be inconsequential. Unless the guy she was forced to marry was really horrible, she would probably bond with him pretty fast after the wedding. That's just nature.
>>39236562>and you would have a strong case to do so Not really, polygany or however you spell it (men having numerous wives and women lusting for the top 20%) was the norm up until recently and now it's just becoming the norm again If today were to happen only without birth control or abortions you would see society being almost normal Even the dissolution of the family wouldnt happen families would just change structure back to how they used to be And the thing for lower birthrate just goes without being said because even couples seem to not want to bear children >it has never been adaptive If you need someone to put the nail in the coffin Edward Dutton of the jolly heretic has a good episode on how men are into gangbangs because we used to just gangrape womenIt's always been adaptive>raping someone meant becoming an outlawDepended on the context and if you could get away with it by manipulating the woman (general dark triad traits can be adaptive when applied like this)>barstard argument This is just fast vs slow life history talk (again jolly heretic has a good video on that) and both can be adaptive as one is making plentiful small investments and the other is making large investments Fun fact: fast life history strategists are more likely to have daughters than sons because of this and bastard daughters face nowhere near as much setbacks as bastard sons wnd also take less effort to raise (sons will have to fight bears daughters will have to learn how to shut up and do chores) which is another adaptation down this road>it can only be considered rape if you go by the modern definition of rape There was no ancient definition of rape as I proved above >the kind you were claiming Nietzsche advocated for No the kind I'm claiming is the natural end of Nietzsches philosophy in order to show that it's just lefty slop with a dash of psuedomasculinity
>>39236604>contradicts your arranged marriage point No because arranged marriages where only the parents have a say are rare It is sensible to assume a regular arranged marriage >it is not important to what extent the woman was considered a victimYou disagree here >>39236439 when you say that the focus is on maintaining social order and not the victimisation of the woman If the crime was against the social order the parents or the betrothed or greater society (which again for the sake of the argument let's say God isnt real and this could just be represented by saying it's a crime against God) then you would be right but the crime is specifically and expressly against the woman and therefore isnt concerned with social cohesion and instead the welfare of the woman>all laws clearly demonstrate the woman had no autonomy at allNon autonomous beings or objects wouldnt be the focus of a crime If someone smashes my tv they are arrested for destroying my property and are answerable to me They arent arrested for assaulting the tv or answerable to the tv itself The sheer way the laws are written refutes your point>...it just meant that whatever reluctance a woman may have against her husband... As I shouldve specified arranged marriages where the woman has no choice whatsoever are rare it's more that parents functioned as an ancient tinder profile >eventually if you kidnap a woman long enough and break her spirit she'll be a loyal wife to you At least we're getting somewhere on this front
>>39236646Promiscuity means being indiscriminate with regards to sex. It implies a practice where pleasure of sex is divorced from the natural purpose of sex. That is decadence and maladaptive. >without birth controlThere could never have been any sexual revolution and women wouldn't be promiscious because they'd be too scared of becoming single mothers. The main point here is not any of that hypergamy/women want Chad stuff. It is simply that sex divorced from reproduction is decadence. >how men are into gangbangsI'm not into gangbangs, but I do think Edward Dutton is an interesting guy. I wouldn't consider him an authority on evolutionary biology though, as he's a theologian, not a biologist. If you want me to check out his argument, you will have to link the youtube video. >This is just fast vs slow life history talk (again jolly heretic has a good video on that) and both can be adaptive as one is making plentiful small investments and the other is making large investmentsAgain. All you have to do is point to a society where this is or has been the norm. There is no society of R-selected n*ggs running around on the Savannah making baby mammas and neglecting their offspring. >There was no ancient definition of rape as I proved aboveThere clearly was, as it was punishable by death.
>>39236693As fascinating as the discussion of whether women were legal subjects in ancient socities is, regardless of the conclusion that is made, you will not have demonstrated rape as an adaptive reproductive strategy. Let us consider a hypothetical person in ancient society. He lives his life and gets married and his wife provides offspring for him. His labor ensures that his offspring and wife can survive. Now this man is out and about and he see's a beautiful young woman. If he forces himself upon her, he will be killed and his family will be worse off. Even if he makes her pregnant, overall it would still have been more benefitial for his offspring for him not to rape.
>>39236550Jew boy
>defends someone whos been dead for 200 years>hes not the antichrist BTWlol ok,satan
>>39236696>promiscuity... Yeah got the wrong word but I mean it just in the sense of having alot of sex not in the strictly hedonistic way my bad>there couldve never been a sexual revolution There couldve been but it wouldve looked different What you're seeing right now is temporary harems (chad sleeping with numerous women) that are terminated with the termination of the child Women who have never got pregnant before and men who stand nothing to gain out of a child bearing relationship other than more burdens could reasonably be seen to have a perfect evolutionary reason for not wanting to spare the baby or get one in the first placeThe only real exception is religous societies where birth control is either outright prohibited (catholic church did this iirc) or children are at least seen as a gift from God/the gods which is another reason Nietzsches philosophy shouldnt be listened to btw as athiesm is fundamentally decedent in and of itself but that's for another time>I'm not into gangbangs Me neither but there is a large collective which is why I bought it up>hes a theologian not a biologist This in would love to hear expanded because it sounds rly interesting>if you want me to check it out you have to link This is where I will be a temporary disappointment as I forgot the title and link so itll take a while>there clearly wasKek I shouldve specified I meant there was no definition specifically different in the ancient times to modern my bad >>39236726>scenario That's not really how it's done consider it this way I'll greentext it >be me >based rape man>see married couple>make sure they still have relations>wait for her to be alone>epic rape>threaten ger credibly to keep quiet and pretend it's his or I kill them >repeat however many times I want>wait till all women selected give birth>leave town and find another>rinse and repeat >mfw no one catches me >mfw easy 200 kids from this>mfw biggest epic rapist on history and no one realised
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>>39236823>a perfect evolutionary reason for not wanting to spare the baby or get one in the first placeI fail to see how you could have an evolutionary sound reason not to have children, unless you were simply waiting for a better opportunity to have children. >btw as athiesm is fundamentally decedent in and of itself but that's for another timeIn a way, but Nietzsche does address this.>This in would love to hear expanded because it sounds rly interestingIt's not that interesting. He studied theology, not biology. As far as can tell his understanding of molecular biology does not extend far beyond the level of high school curriculum, which is not to say that he is wrong, but he makes many conclusions in his videos that I would consider a bit clumsy/lacking in nuance.>I'll greentext itThere is a reproductive strategy like this. It's called sneaking. It's more about avoiding aggressive interactions with males than raping females though. And as amusing as your hypothetical wandering rape vagabonds are, I don't think there is any evidence that this is a phenomenon that has had a significant impact on our collective genepool.
>>39236871>I fail to see how you could have an evolutionarily sound reason for not wanting to have childrenIt's sort of similar to fisherian runaways where an adaptive trait gets blown out of proportionThus time however it's due to the environment The whole state of modern dating can be understood by the fact that humanity never really had birth control in any form but abstinence (virtually no one used the sandpaper condoms or coat hangers for obvious reason) and humanity is the first species to really encounter this issue Simply put humanity was never meant to discover birth control we arent built to handle it so how you can see where all the evolutionary mechanisms, sex drive and maternal bonding, collapseIf you can have sex without getting a woman pregnant and thus encumbering more responsibility you will do so And imagine you're a woman You have the opportunity to have sex and feel good without 9 months of a process that's visibly one of the most excruciating things a healthy person can experience Risk aversion is adaptive especially for women and therefore because we evolved to be risk averse (so we dont die) and horny (so we have sex that can lead to pregnancy) but not to have baby fever (it seems to only kick in in the 30s for women and not at all for men) the adaptive horniness is satisfied while also satisfying the risk aversion when the couple uses protectionPerfectly adaptive in every other situation just not in birth control so now the only thing that can really correct this is if A) we become religious again therefore creating risk of wrath from a higher power that we would want to avoid more than pregnancy or B) we get rid of risk aversion and everyone becomes like really cool>he studied theologyHe studied theology? Never knew that I guess that's why he has the name he does >sneaking Ok whatever that is ig that's the point I'll go with in saying rape is adaptive and would like it further expanded pls I'll concede rapehobos too
>>39236918>we become religious again therefore creating risk of wrath from a higher power that we would want to avoid more than pregnancy Impossible. Even the people who are Christian today, are not really Christian the same way people were in the Middle Ages. You can still wear it as a costume, but genuine, as a matter of factly, belief in God has become impossible for anyone with an above average intelligence. I don't have a solution to the birth rate problem, but there are people who actually do want to have kids, even without being driven by religious obligation. Some people do feel like it is a worthwhile endeavour in itself. Now if you listen to the people who don't want to, you will hear exactly the same kind of condemnation of the world and of life as puritan christians used to present.
>>39237012>Even people who are Christians today arent Christian's the same way as they were in the middle agesYoud be surprised both how scrupulous some are and how unscrupulous people were back then The only difference now really is that authority is less biblical so you get to see how people actually are now>but genuine belief in God is impossible You lost me here as like I said earlier belief in God is actually the default no matter what way you look at it and every atheist society (greek, Rome, france, USSR, middle east) has either collapsed, gone through a revolution or been invaded by more religous foreigners (look at europe as a prime example of this happening in real time) It's not even a matter of possibility it's just a matter of if the natives wanna do it or if invaders do it insteadEither way like every other age this days atheism will be an unseemly blip in history as it's the only ideology that shouldnt exist when drawn to its conclusion (the lack of belief in anything which is the logical conclusion drawn from atheism is kinda bad for social cohesion as you can tell by school shooters and the like (especially columbine which is the archetypal poster child for why atheism doesnt work long term and harms society))>for anyone above average intelligence again even if athiesm was true it's a decedent and maladaptive trait so it would tend to be paired with lower, nit higher iq with possible exceptions in the extremely high iq due to their machiavellian tendencies (although newton who is commonly touted as the worlds most intelligent man at least of the modern era was a Chrostian albeit a little strange) >there are people who do want to have kids, even...The fact you needed to add even to the end of it shows how sustainable it really is without me needing to say anything>same condemnation as the puritans I'd say the puritans were decedent in terms of Christianity in their own special way which is why there are similarities
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>>39237191Hey we're having fun faggot leave us alone
>>39221802I dont get that from this quote at all though. He's saying J-words are not real J-words and have gaslit everyone, including Christians, into thinking they are anti j-word when in actuality they are the ultimate conclusion of it exactly as he says.
>>39237081>The only difference now really is that authority is less biblical so you get to see how people actually are nowThat's incredibly naive. There is a huge difference is language and in thought. The way a modern person views the world is entirely different from a person in the past. >belief in God is actually the defaultIf you raise someone without telling them about God, they're not going to come up with the concept by themselves.>atheism is kinda bad for social cohesionYes. Nietzsche saw Socrates as a symptom/cause of the decline of Greek culture, since he tore down the cherished beliefs of the Greeks. Nietzsche does not write for the average person, though. To Nietzsche truth can be like a poison, and the measure of person is in how much of it, they can ingest before dying. >The fact you needed to add even to the end of it shows how sustainable it really isThe fact that you think it is not sustainable, reveals your own feelings on the matter, by extention how you feel about life. If life was worthwhile by its own merits, then you should feel the desire to have children and thereby extend it.>I'd say the puritans were decedent in terms of ChristianityBecause they were serious about being Christians?
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>>39216488>im sure nothing odd is happening in germany anytime soonfunny, nietzsche essentially predicted hitler:Supposing a statesman were to bring his people into the position of being obliged henceforth to practise 'big politics,' for which they were by nature badly endowed and prepared, so that they would have to sacrifice their old and reliable virtues, out of love to a new and doubtful mediocrity;—supposing a statesman were to condemn his people generally to 'practise politics,' when they have hitherto had something better to do and think about, and when in the depths of their souls they have been unable to free themselves from a prudent loathing of the restlessness, emptiness, and noisy wranglings of the essentially politics-practising nations;—supposing such a statesman were to stimulate the slumbering passions and avidities of his people, were to make a stigma out of their former diffidence and delight in aloofness, an offence out of their exoticism and hidden permanency, were to depreciate their most radical proclivities, subvert their consciences, make their minds narrow, and their tastes 'national'—what! a statesman who should do all this, which his people would have to do penance for throughout their whole future, if they had a future, such a statesman would be GREAT, would he?"—"Undoubtedly!"BEYOND GOOD AND EVIL, Friedrich Nietzsche
>>39237617Gesetzt, ein Staatsmann brächte sein Volk in die Lage, fürderhin `grosse Politik` treiben zu müssen, für welche es von Natur schlecht angelegt und vorbereitet ist: so dass es nöthig hätte, einer neuen zweifelhaften Mittelmässigkeit zu Liebe seine alten und sicheren Tugenden zu opfern, - gesetzt, ein Staatsmann verurtheilte sein Volk zum `Politisiren` überhaupt, während dasselbe bisher Besseres zu thun und zu denken hatte und im Grunde seiner Seele einen vorsichtigen Ekel vor der Unruhe, Leere und lärmenden Zankteufelei der eigentlich politisirenden Völker nicht los wurde: - gesetzt, ein solcher Staatsmann stachle die eingeschlafnen Leidenschaften und Begehrlichkeiten seines Volkes auf, mache ihm aus seiner bisherigen Schüchternheit und Lust am Danebenstehn einen Flecken, aus seiner Ausländerei und heimlichen Unendlichkeit eine Verschuldung, entwerthe ihm seine herzlichsten Hänge, drehe sein Gewissen um, mache seinen Geist eng, seinen Geschmack `national`, - wie! ein Staatsmann, der dies Alles thäte, den sein Volk in alle Zukunft hinein, falls es Zukunft hat, abbüssen müsste, ein solcher Staatsmann wäre gross?" "Unzweifelhaft!Jenseits von Gut und Böse, Friedrich Wilhelm Nietzsche
>>39237501>that's incredibly naive Tere was a schizo pope who dug up a corpse of a pope and yelled at it in a chair infront of everyone then threw it into a river and another paid hookers to have sex with his pre pubescent son They werent better back then God just kept them in line enough to survive>symbolic vs literal worldviewYeah we're depressed because we didnt realise our ancestors in the enlightenment did the ye olden day equivalent of the "uh buddy you're actually drinking h2o not water" and we stuck with it Apart from that everything's basically the same and I can even dip into the symbolic worldview when I like bcz I know how>they're not going to come up with the concept themselves Yes they are how do you think we got the idea if he isnt real and also yes they do lol someone did a test on it and most babies had some concept of God at the age of 3 (dont ask how they knew I dont remember) Think about it evolutionarily theres a very good reason it would be innate>Nietzsche saw Socrates as a symptom/cause of the decline of greek culture since he tore down the cherished belief of the Greeks This is the reason religous belief has to be logically innate by the way because collapse only occurs at the latter cycle at with the introduction of athiesm and athiesm as a philosophy wasnt recorded until around 600BC making it the youngest spiritual worldview (new age is just recycled hindu)>to Nietzsche truth can be like poison And of the truth is poisonous we arent built to know it meaning your first read of Nietzsche should be your last for the sake of social and self cohesion His entire philosophy is counter intuitive as written text>the measure of person is in how much they can ingest before dying Coming close to dying just to know more than others is hubris not personhood>because they were serious?The equally if not more so dysgenic Catholics who were their opposition were also seriousBeing serious doesnt make you any more correct or less dysgenic
>>39227767>>39221802so the world reknown le deep thinker had primary schooler level knowledge of christianity? lmaooo
>>39235541when someone creates a vampire thread and asks what foundation in reality that phenomenon might have & i post studies about young blood having rejuvenating properties, jewish blood libel and Metzitzah B'Peh (ciscumcision blood drinking) without any additional slander or antisemitism, i get banned soon after. x is a cope board for reality deniers that only want comfy bluepills, an echo chamber, further any hint at concrete unpleasant facts makes x anons screech since they want to believe that it all is just a simulation and thats how they keep actuality at bay.>its all just a dream dude.>i am the protag of this game everyone else is an npc, solipsism dude.>its not the jews, its intergalactic alien demons dude.>you are attracting the bad vibes because you are evil yourself, dude.
>>39213066>>39226574>Zarathustra as the first bookI disagree.>>39225041You might have a hard time if you really have no foundation. A lot of Nietzsche was raving against the moral and philosophical status quo of the past 2000 years.
>>39237857>its not the jews, its intergalactic alien demons dude.But why can’t it be both? It’s obvious there can be Jews doing evil things (I mean, not obvious to everyone somehow, but obvious to anyone with half a brain and conscience, whether on the nominal political “left” or “right”), but we ARE on a fuckin paranormal board, so it is annoying to be here and turn it all explicitly into /pol/ and try to claim “anyone who talks about any dark occult forces behind government and power in the world is simply distracting you from the JEWS!!!” on a paranormal board, meant to discuss the paranormal. I know about the Rothschilds and Fink and Soros and the Mossad and whoever doing their shady shit, and I know B’nai B’rith (more commonly known as the ADL) likely has parts of it working as an extension of Israeli intelligence/the Mossad, and all that type of stuff, but again you are also on a paranormal board speaking of the paranormal. You have /pol/ if you want to talk solely of the political and even bash believers in paranormal or preternatural conspiracies as “distracting us from the real political issues of world Jewry’s corruption.”Also, spamming things like “TKD” “TND” is an obvious fed psy-op, besides even actual likely shit like anyone from Russian to Israeli troll farms and shills likely feeding into some of it as false-flags to respectively heighten political tensions in the U.S. & discredit actual reasonable criticisms of what the Israeli government or powerful, wealthy, prominent individuals of Jewish descent might be doing. You’re not doing that now but enough people do spam and meme shit like that that it’s reasonable other people get tired of it.
>>39237705>Apart from that everything's basically the sameEverything is different, though. You don't live in a village community. You don't live in accordance with the seasons. Everything in the past was arranged on the foundational belief that there was a higher order and meaning. Medicine, our calander, all of the sciences. For a peasant or a layman to be an atheist in the past would have been completely unthinkable. Other people would think such a person insane or simply too silly to take seriously.In the modern world, Christians struggle with faith. It is there number one struggle. Not how to be a good Christian, but to even believe. >someone did a test on it and most babies No one told me about it when I grew up. It wasn't untill I started in school that I learned about it, and even then it wasn't really something that i seriously entertained. >This is the reason religous belief has to be logically innate Well primitive people have a different religion though? Something like animism and ancestor worship.>Coming close to dying just to know more than others is hubris not personhood.If you survive you will be stronger.
>>39220406The CIA didn't invent HIV until the 70s thoughbeit
>>39237999>everything's different Yes because tech has progressed>everything in our past was arranged on the foundational belief that there is a higher order and meaning The main institutions like science still mostly are for nowMost of the world assumes there is order as it's quite obvious when you dont fall through the floor and get stuck halfway chopping your body in half as the floor rematerialises >for a peasant of layman to be an atheist would be unthinkableYes because Christian's controlled the institutionsIf you wanna know how unthinkable it still was when society became atheist consider all of david Hume's arguments were already proven false 200 years before he existed because somebody else made them before himAnd also consider the fact that despite this david Hume is the first person anyone quotes when talking about pre-postmodern atheism Logic was never involved here>in the modern world Christians struggle with faith it is there number one struggle Alot more people struggle with athiesm imo but I havent actually seen anyone have a faith crisis yet Not that I believe the general masses to be logical >your childhood Same as mine lol>primitive people have different religion thoughThe most primitive (north sentinalise) have monotheism and its strikingly similar to the aquinas 5 proofs God (as in they have the philosophy but not the scripture) but any who it doesnt really matter if a specific religion is innate it only matters that religion itself is innate making athiesm a maladaptation >if you survive you will be stronger If you survive unscathed sure but its die tou probably shouldnt cast
>>39238058>The main institutions like science still mostly are for nowThe prevailing orthodoxy in Biology is that all variation among different organisms can be explained by the selection of more or less random changes in the genome of organisms that occur during cellular replication. It's a strictly mechanical process.In Physics, they work inductively to find equations and models that best fit with the results of their experiments. Coming up with things that defy common sense and are completely incomprehensible for 99,9% of people. In the past a doctor would say, "This fruit is shaped like a penis, therefore it will help you get an erection," as though it was the most natural thing in the world. Why else would God have placed it there, looking like that? >when you dont fall through the floorWell then, the order you're talking about is no more than acknowledging the immediate permanency of the physical world. It's not comparable. >consider all of david Hume's arguments were already proven false 200 years before he existed because somebody else made them before himI am not sure what you mean with this.>The most primitive (north sentinalise) have monotheism and its strikingly similar to the aquinas 5 proofs GodWhere did you hear this? As far as I knew, no one even knew how to speak their language. >If you survive unscathed sure but its die tou probably shouldnt castSometimes you don't have a choice. Sometimes a Socrates will come along and do it for you.
>>39238156>the prevailing orthodoxy That's pertinent wording because it's mostly dogmatic and the intelligent design movement is growing precisely because of how ordered the changes are They say theres order without an order and therefore try to have their cake and eat it too>physics Yeah again still assumes order>chemistry not mentionedSomeone is very angry about this>immediate perminency of the physical world is not compatible to orderIt actually is Take a normie and a schizo The normie is considered to have order as its "organised" Whereas schizos who lack order and are "disorganised" regularly defy all forms of psychological logic and create things that arent realIn a schizophrenic (disordered) universe things would be the same Material and physics would randomly warp, biology would rearrange itself and math itself would shift every other second No one would know anything because everything would change as it's in no organized structure>I'm not sure what you mean by this Western athiesm was not built by science, it was not built by reason, it was not produced by knowledge Western athiesm as a movement was started by a charismatic fat drunkard repeating dead talking points that never took off 200 years ago to people retarded enough to be unable to counter him Western athiesm was never intellectual it's purely emotional and charismatic and always has been >where did you here this Last I remember a few people have made contact with the tribe by sending coconuts and stuff and probably they figured it out by sending messages and stuff and hoping that the languages were similar enough for them to just figure it out>sometimes you dont have a choiceDelusion is always a choice and it's always taken by most
>>39238231>the intelligent design movement is growingIntelligent design is the idea that things were made at one point in the past and that genetic changes only lead to deterioration.>Yeah again still assumes orderIt assume some kind of objective physical reality. It is however very far from the order the past. >In a schizophrenic (disordered) universe things would be the sameI don't think what you're describing is something that is even imaginable. The problem is that you're setting the bar for order very low. No one, except the insane, disbelieves that kind of order. It is not the universal, perfect order that people believed in the past though. >Western athiesm was not built by science, it was not built by reason, it was not produced by knowledgeIt's a complex subject for sure, but I don't think we would have seen atheism arise as the norm if there had been no rise of modern natural science and of technology. >Last I remember a few people have made contact with the tribe by sending coconuts and stuffI really doubt that the sentinelese have anything like 'proofs of God'. I can not imagine that such people are having philosophical debates where such proofs would be required.
>>39220406>>39221325Zoomer: the posts.
>>39238456>..all changes inky lead to deterioration That's just normal natural selection lol positive mutations are sparingly low in normal biology and low mutations load is ideal>it is however very far from the order of the past Yeah that I can agree with Assuming the symbolic world is subjective is how we got trannies (long story)>you're setting the bar very lowNo I'm just reading between the linesTake any element you want for example Let's take a very useless one like nunver 114 (idk its name but these ones only get made in labs so who cares) and let's say that the laws of molecular biology just dont apply to it It can have however many protons neutrons and electrons it wants and regularly fluctuates Small lack of order right? Well no because that throws the entire periodic table out of wack and because of the intense fluctuations and sudden atomic changes it precedes to create multiple nuclear explosions by switching to a radioactive element while its whizzing around and blowing up the whole earth You see if everything wasnt perfectly ordered many things would go wrong very fast so we 100%know for a fact everything is perfectly if not close to perfectly ordered >I dont think we would have seen athiesm rise if we didnt make advancements in natural science and technology Yeah the more we discover the more we falsely believe we know and that combined with immense comfort means we arent faced with the reality of deathInterestingly same reason we have so many remakes and sequels currently >I doubt the sentanalise have anything like proofs of God Youd be right I was more meaning the type of God that aquinas 5 proofs points to (a fully transcendent, eternal, moral, self sufficient, omniscient God capable of ex nilho creation)I'm heading off for the night though good chat anon see you on the other side Pic unrel
>>39238467No. Those are balding faglenial posters. This is the difference.
>>39224416Only the ones God allowed him to, surely
>>39238583>That's just normal natural selectionWell it's not the same thing at all. ID posits that all organisms were created a some point (usually it's 6000 years ago or so), and that mutations only lead to deterioration. It is not 'guided evolution' or anything like that.>You see if everything wasnt perfectly ordered many things would go wrong very fast so we 100%know for a fact everything is perfectly if not close to perfectly orderedIf something did 'go wrong' as you put it, and it might, then in the scientific viewpoint, there would be an explanation for it. It's not like science perfectly accounts for everything. It ultimately only offers simplifications. But to answer your point directly, the fact that things appear to us as relatively stable hardly tells us anything other than that they appear just like that. I will concede that the universe is perfectly ordered in the sense that it is the only way it could be. That is my own point of view. It is not the same point of view that people had in the past though. People in the past had a view of the universe as centered around themselves. They were made in the image of God and eternally significant. Everything was ordered in a way that was meaningful and relevant to them. Look at something like traditional chinese medicine, and then imagine that everything was like that. If this thread is here tomorrow, maybe I can elaborate some more on what i mean.
>NPChristian spamming programmed Kvetching™Guess this thread's finished then eh
>>39238759>ID posits that all organisms were created at some point (6000 years ago) and mutation only leads to deterioration I think it depends on the IDer because theistic evolution is a thing and I know plenty of old earth theistic evolutionists who hail from the ID camp>If something indeed did go wrong... then in the scientific viewpoint, there would be an explanation for it Yes but we would also be dead The more we figure out about the universe the more we realise that if any constants changed or were off we wouldnt be here Perfect order isnt a common belief its borderline a scientific necessity even with quantum physics>the fact that things appear stable hardly tells us anythingEven if that's true occams razor and all that but even if things didnt appear stable it would naturally follow that there is stability because like hawking said if anything went wrong in the early days of the universe it would all just collapse in on itself and we wouldnt be here The fact nothing was unstable at all at the start means it never was and never will be unless there was some divine intervention that added instability at year 1 million or smthn>concession Everything I said is now useless but I'll leave it there anyway>people had the view of the universe centred around them, they were made in the image of God and eternally significant You might not realise this but most people subtly think the same just symbolically If you call someone an ape (even though that's kinda what we are) they get mad bcz its degrading and black ppl chimp out over monkeys our close relatives all the timeAs for centre of the universe we are the only living planet we know of and aliens are a nebulous and seemingly inconsequential factor if you even believe in them (I doubt most people do)Only thing we lost is meaning and yeah losing God leads to thatNietzsche and others can go on and on about finding meaning in the face of nothing but nothing means nothing and society will reflect that
Nietzsche is based. The time will come when incels will be properly introduced to the right ideology. I see many young incels who are christians, who follows "tradition", who wants to "restore Europe", and who are "lookists". They need to awake to the fact that, the christian god dont care for them, tradition see them as numbers, european governments hate white single males, and looks dont matter for women. If they were nietzscheans, they would abandon all of that and focus on the main enemy of humanity: married men. It is married men who make your lives miserable. It is not god (who is dead btw), not tradition, not government, not women, but those who keep these things up and running: married men. They are the ones who signed those laws to protect women. They are the cops, the lawyers, the judges who will put you in prison if you try to reproduce. We need to target the core of the problem, not abstractions such as religion and ideology, but people. Rise up, incels, and overcome.
>>39236195>I see it now>You follow Nietzsche and hate Christianity because no woman has loved you>I dont feel sympathy for you grow up and accept realityYes, how could you tell? I dont need your sympathy. And I already accepted reality: your god is not real, but just a construct of your married men bureaucratic collectivity. It is a excuse you use to oppress people. But your kids are unmarried, so you are hurting them as well in the long term. Your hubris caused them to seek trannydom. Now it is you who will need to grow up and accept the consequences of your policies.
>>39237946>But why can’t it be both?of course, but x ers explicitly insist on it not being the jews. again my vampire example from above.>what are vampires and dont say jews give me a proper answer>what is 2+2 and dont say 4 give me a proper answeri didnt ever say jews dont have a spiritual dimension or arent in legue with dark entities or whatever or that jews are the only ones being le evil, but even mentioning the literal jews could be behind things, and their tight allegiance to one another, no matter what supernatural forces may help them or who ever might compell them to do what they do is frowned upon on this board. anons on here insist on not making the connection, on not mentioning the jews as a collective at all.the kosher narrative:>its just some individuals falling for the devils temptations, everyone could become a victim of it, the jews are just random people just like you and me. there are black sheep ampngst any group, no reason to generalize.
>>39241822>yes how could you yell Incels and the incel community in general are essentially psyedognostics as a I said earlierThey dont live in reality as they take the blackpill (gnos) to be an infallible axiom rather than reality And like other psuedognostic sects (marxism, nazism, CRT, feminism) they all have a specific group that they specifically target as the source of all evil (for gnostics it was the physical for psuedognostics its normally a specific grouo of people) and with your branch of inceldom you exclusively target married men as the source of evil calling them 'simps' and 'weak' despite the fact that you just like them refuse to apportion women any of the blameYou are just as much the problem as they are >I already accepted your realityMy God is real and I reached that conclusion as my worldview is far less axiomatic allowing me free thoughtGod was not a construct of married men Jesus was never married Paul was never married and he was the most influential apostle etc.>its an excuse to oppress peopleIt freed so many people enlightened lefties think they were inspired by it and do steal alot from it to take it too far>your kids I'm 19>fanfiction See what I mean? You're deluded by your "gnos" so yu instantly assume I'm a middle aged married man as you cant conceive of someone ideologically opposed to you being anything but an enemy group (married men)I'm not the demiurge lol chillax
>>39242369Tell not yell btw*
>>39242369>you just like them refuse to apportion women any of the blameI never did. Hylic women are just animals, but they have their blame on the current situation. However, these animals didn't vote, didn't had any rights in the past. So they aren't the core of the problem. The ones enforcing their rights are. Same for government, god, the media, the jews. None of these would have any power if there weren't married men enforcing it. The problem is at the base, just look at the scademic. So the culling will be useful in the way it will remove this base, or at least decrease its numbers. What is the use of chasing ghosts to blame when your fellow citizens are the ones enforcing the absurdities from these ghosts? Then you notice there is a pattern: these fellow citizens are, most of the time, married people.
>>39213017He was born on the 15th which has him fall on birth number 6 on numerology.
>>39242414>I never did women are just animals No they're those who lack the gnos as opposed to the married men (demiurge) who are strictly evil >the ones who are enforcing their rights are If you wanna talk jews and the media and the government all temporarily benefited from the dissolution of marriage and therefore the nuclear family in order to turn people more into workersIf you want the real reason why everything's so tits up right now it's because these mostly jewish multibillionaire moguls benefit most from sexual and racial androgyny of the masses and therefore marriage is threatened by these institutions and the extra parental rights of women arent revoked in order to force any sons to grow up with as much feminine influence as possible to make them more agreeable while single mother girlboss propoganda is pumped out to make women as driven as possible thus turning us all to antsIt's the consumer mentality that has pushed us back into promiscuity not marries men and as opposed to being the problem married men are actually the solution as the institution of marriage and therefore the nuclear family sends the exact opposite message to the consumerist "buy le porn and le hooker and le alchohol to stop being alone"It promotes connection, unity, individuality (the real kind,) masculine ideals and feminine idealsIt removes androgyny and creates culture The problem isnt even women voting its emotional retards voting because women getting equal pay (which just translates to men getting less pas btw lol) sounds nice on paper And this is why saying God is propoganda is retarded The entire culture HATES Christians and it's kinda obvious And the reason they hate us is because Christianity prohibits consumerism (gluttony,) it prohibits sluts (lust) and thus keeps the populous genuinely unified, it prohibits taking a man/woman of another religion to marry and therefore keeps it mostly within the same race and social circles1/2
>>39242414>the problem is at the base Not at all the problem is with the influences Consider the average boomer for example: grew up in an overabundance of prosperity, had an influx of jews due to ww2 which started to spread degeneracy via pornography, due to the unity of the jews as opposed to the many divisions in america (and probable connections w isreal) they quickly rose to the top, then the jewish religion which allows for jerking off to porn and whatnot in many sects allowed them to be more degenerate and risque, this was right as birth control was invented allowing for a massive boom in general coomer activities, because men could now do whatever with women and not get semen in them both promiscuity and rape went up, this then produced a collective of horny and threatened women who did what women do best: turn their emotions into reality and completely miss the mark, thus roe vs wade became the legal precident for stacy murdering her and chad number 29482s baby because it feels better raw and shes scared of the pill, those who did use the pill added more estrogen to the water which gradually feminizes men more and more all the time naturally making them weaker, it also makes women more neurotic and thus more likely to be promiscuous So now you have a society where women can have sex with who they want without consequences and of they do get consequences the promiscuous nature of men at the time would render them single mothers entirely just due to the times but also due to regular corporate greed I havent even mentioned how jews factor in aside from the fact they produced oorn and made everyone horny yet and I already have enough of a case for this period being the only cause of incels But we go forward a bit nowThe internet is released, now porn is accessible online to all ages (dont kid me w the filters they're awful,) almost everyone in the modern era watches porn rn even ppl who are forbidden by God, this creates greater degeneracy 2/3
>my gnosis is real, yours is pseudo>my god is real, yours is not>married men are the solution>nuclear family, restore Europe, etc>muh consumerism, the jews, the masses, etcDude, I was like you at your age. I thought the solution was the return of the patriarchy, and only my ideas were true, while the others were fake or "pseudo". I remember spending a lot of time discussing about these "solutions" in the internet. It didn't get me out of inceldom, it only make it worse. Today the only solution is to reset civilization. Wipe out all of humanity, and leave only the incels and the machines alive. Because the incel is always someone bright, with good ideas, or autistic, with a good heart. Whereas those who are sucessful with women, are always the worst and shallowest people one can imagine. Elon Musk is 10 years late in relation to me.
>>39242919Also, reminder those who pay for hookers are still considered "incel" by the current internet nomenklatura. It is not about you having sex, but about you taking a stand against dating culture.
In comes hip hop and nigger subculture slightly beforehand but mostly pushed by soundcloud and youtube and spotify, songs go from discretely sexual and a hardcore underground hyper sexual scene (from the boomer times) to most of the hardcore underground sailing in comparison to the sheer doom emitted by folks such as even justin Timberlake let alone cardi b, atp it's fine to consider the entirety of society and entertainment coomerized, Disney especially pushes subliminally hypersexual content, every movie above 12A has the well known unnecessary sex scene, even some movies about transcending the materialism of modern times have a 5 minute long sex scene and was mostly a metaphor for being a tranny (matrix trilogy,) due to the hypersexualization and increase in sexual interaction of a younger age (pornographic or regular,) artificially creates a false abundance of stacies and Chad's but moreso Chad's as female psychology is far more vulnerable, general public disavow marriage as a kill joy, everyone votes for women to have more privileges and rights than men as they think that women who feel safer and more secure will be more likely to have sex with them, opposite effect is had, the legalisation of sex work (not real work) through the loophole of pornography being film acting and therefore not prostitution and onlyfans which arise out of it influence women into believing men should pay them to be in a relationship with them, riseofthegolddigger.mp4, And I could go on and on But what disallows porn for as its lust/adultery Christianity and marriage What promotes true equality but different roles for people with different strengths Christianity and marriage What stops you from focusing on short term gratification, instead turning you to long term commitments Christianity and marriage Etc. Etc. You saw the solution and called it the problem because it's not solutioning hard enough and you're envious of those who won while you lost 3/3
>>39242919>no uing I dont consider everyone that disagrees with me a gnostic lol I just showed you why inceldom specifically meets all he criterion Heck I can even give you a psuedognostic who I agree with more than disagree (uncle ted) it's not even the fact you're psuedognostic that makes me particularly averse to your sect of incel ideology, it's not even the fact you say a purge is needed because I 100% feel it coming too Its just the fact that you saw your home forest being destroyed and concluded the problem was the trees because they werent fireproof or capable of resisting a chainsaw>It didnt get me out of inceldom This is also the main problem I have with you You want a quick fix the a quadragenerational issue that doesnt even seem to have hit its lowest point yet and that's all you ever wantedYou never really cared about reform or whatever you just wanted your own gf and because you werent willing to play the game to beat level 100 you quit at level 1 and left with nothing >the solution is to wipe out all humanity and leave only machines and incels alive This is a pipe dreamWhen society collapses you either enter the Chad mentality and gain dominance that you lacked before hand in order to survive and commandeer your group which will net you the titular "hoes" or you will hide in a corner or die There will be no nazicel revolution or commiecel revolt as everyone who got a leg up in those times was charismatic which is a thing incels lacked >inb4 different time period Weimar was probably worse than right now >inb4 but they were chadStallin was 5'2 and hitler looked like hitlerIt wasnt how attractive they were it was the fact that they took the reigns in the revolution against what they preached was a certain death to societyThe one time Chad doesnt matter is when hes useless in a life or death situation That is how the purge will be1/2
>>39242919>the incel is always There are 1000 more ways to fail than succeed saying there is any consistency with incels is stupid Yes despite how mean I am on here I can hang w them and get along fine but although they have similar characters in similar spheres I've seen more variety in incels than football fans and football is an international sport>whereas those who successful with women are always the worst and shallower people one can imagineMy dad spent his whole short life a schizophrenic deep in drugs who would regularly end up in prison or a psych ward and despite him only being legally allowed around me till I was 8 (later dying after only 5 more visits when I was 11) my mind is chalk full of memories of how genuinely amazing a person he was despite being the violent kind of schizo and I've only ever had good memories of himNotwithstanding in my town alone theres 1000 eccentric retards with a heart of gold who have got eternally loyal gfs and my town isnt even that religious The thing is yet again you notice a symptom and only attribute it to people you dislike out of envy making it basically all you are This is the fundamental problem with your worldviewIt claims that the evil comes from [people] doing [thing] while doing [thing] yourself and still get upset because it works for them and not you I've talked to 1000s of people with your exact pattern of thinking before you're nothing special and heres a list of how all psuedognostic groups tend to contradict themselves:Incels: alr doneCommies: hate the bourgeois while wanting to be bourgeois Nazis: hate how jews control everything while wanting a government that controls everythingTrannies: view gender as oppressive while oppresively forcing you call them the 'correct' one Blm: views white as evil racists while doing crime and being racist to spread the messageAnd on and on I'm not just going waffling here I categorized you and told you your fault in a specific way, that was for a reason
>>39242936Yeah I know about escortcels They do it out of desperation but because they cant score a woman by what they consider their own means it doesnt really count and I think alot of inceldom is trying to morph into mgtow currently but in a slightly different way
>>39235661>once i dated a trannyU wot now mate? Are you really trying to be taken seriously after typing that out? :)
>>39243010>This is a pipe dream>When society collapses you either enter the Chad mentality and gain dominance that you lacked before hand in order to survive and commandeer your group which will net you the titular "hoes" or you will hide in a corner or die>There will be no nazicel revolution or commiecel revolt as everyone who got a leg up in those times was charismatic which is a thing incels lackedBut that's the idea. If chads and married men are gone, and the machines side with the incels, there will be no one to protect the harlots. Then you will have mass rape and barbarism, which will quickly lead to the flourishing of a new civilization, and a new standard of beliefs. We all know the current god is just a reflex of married men, even if this god have no goddess to have sex with. A god of authority of the status quo. We just get rid of it and bring a new form of gnosis where man will have the upper hand, and god will be its helper, represented by the machine. So you will replace god-in-the-stone by god-in-the-machine, finally getting rid of the bronze age structure we call the State. And as the incels are the best minds and hearts among men, civilization will once again flourish, without natural selection, which will be liquidated in the new paradigm. No longer women will profile the next generations, in fact, we will not need them any more to breed, the machine will do that. People will be farmed in massive installations, like in the Matrix movies.
>>39242936>>39243070What about:Men who never payed for hookers are still "incel" even if gf. Because a gf will make their mind more feminine and beta, more likely to be a future bisexual femboy, while hookers takes a big leap of courage, which produces alpha courageous men We could play this dumb word game forever, but there is this desperation of sticking the word "incel" in everything out of some retarded agendaThe only coherent thing is that even on internet there is a huge need for liberal minded people to police each other's sex lives despite this being an age of sexual liberalism.Guess nothing substancial changed.
>>39243127I dont care for the word. I like the effect it produces though, it makes a lot of /pol/tards seethe, both left and right. Personally I fucked more than 50 hookers in my youth, but I'm still considered a incel by the npcs. So let them label it. By the way it looks now, incel became a term to be associated with real men, who likes manly things, things like shooter games and heavy metal, and philosophies of power like Nietzsche's. If you like any of that, you are an incel. If you like girly things like the current pop singers then you are not incel. The AI needs a definition in order to proceed. We can't wake Ahriman and tell him there are 500+ conflicting definitions of incel. We just want to topple the pseudo-matriarchy of married cucks. So we need definitions.
>>39216488>im sure nothing odd is happening in germany anytime soonhe was aware that the German Emperor would want a war to show Germany as a world power (a catalyst for WWI) and was aware of something NSDAP would appear later and another world war, this in the 1890s.Maybe he had a big case of Cassandra Syndrome and his mind couldn't handle it?Kinda chilling that in madness he predicted more than in sanity
>>39243123>incels side with the machines and vice versaMost people are retarded but not enough for only incels to do this Tech if it becomes that advanced will be utilized by many smaller coalitions with contradicting goals >tech becoming a god This is alr happening but it's not anywhere near as prolific as it would be if it were sustainable (I dont mean roboJesus I mean transhumanism and the hive mind theory) Rokos basalisk is another one but these are already competing tech religions and tech will only get increasingly more volatile as it goes on Sake reason empires shrank or became functionally non existent after the collapse of the British (the last great empire)No I dint count the nazis they lasted as long as a tranny reading kiddie books This means that there probably more likely to be further balkanizations and possibly even a return to tribalism with rustic coalitions equally comprised of geniuses and strong men (incels and Chad's if you will) and because of the higher social rank of incel if you actually step to the job sure ull get hoes >>39243127>ragefueled copeListen faggot I dont like the word either and I only use it when its unavoidable or when the other person uses it so much but doesnt matterI've binge watched almost all of the thinking apes long form content to contextualize the movement and I've talked to numerous incels myself I have the right to use that word If you dont like the term incel get a new word Or you could just revert back to mgtow>liberal liberal I'm not a liberal
>>39243156>We just want to topple the pseudo-matriarchy of married cucks.Getting into a relationship in current zeitgeist can be cucked as you said.>If you like girly things like the current pop singers then you are not incel.Exactly, the word "incel" despite not having a real definition it is always used in a way that emasculates men in intentions, even if in outcome it produces the opposite effect.Most of the stakeholders in making incel "grassroots viral" want the emasculation of men and didn't really bother with the definition.Many of those are ideologues jealous of normal women who just followed what pleases the other gender and catched themselves a nice partner. Or lesbians jealous of the men who capture her female love interest.tl;dr - a true definition of the word "incel" would be "a term that seeks to emasculate men out of ideology indoctrination or frustration with their love life"
>>39221714Niezsche actually had a response for believing in god that wasnt any religion. When your testosterone rises up a little more you may understand it
>>39243211>If you dont like the term incel get a new wordIt's more the fact it can mean so many different things (changes according to person) it's ridiculously easy to play wordgames with the term "incel".Even worse on the internet, which is worldwide, and as minimally cultured anons know, according to geography/country dating standards/customs change, don't expect the same in Qatar to be the same in Sweden.But "incel" will reach those 2 countries and mean many different things. It doesn't work as a "universal truth" type of word.
>>39243254Are you referring to his relationship with Wotan?
>>39243242You must be a newgen Incel did actually used to just be used to describe someone involuntarily celibate but after it became even slightly big the media oy veyed it all the way into the "far right wing" as a buzzword along with other types of right wing ideology such as socialism (but racist)>>39243260If you've seen the amount of effort and autism I put into genuinely conversing with you guys and also the fact that I wasnt even the first to use it and the fact that I qualified the terms and you instantly assume I'm buzzwording you're either nit paying attention or a fed attempting obfuscation by making me flood the thread which probably will stop bumping with my replies in order to stop the conversation by getting the thread archived faster
>>39243281>>39243281>to stop the conversation by getting the thread archived fasterNo need to jump to subtle threats, just did out of boredom a low effort wordplay and look at how much it stirs the pot, not here to scare you or something.Calm down with the soap opera.>Incel did actually used to just be used to describe someone involuntarily celibateExactly, used to, but not anymore. As I said, the word Incel is not a universal truth type of word, but more of a rethorical sophism type.Mating customs/rituals/laws/hierarchies change way too much via geography, and internet is world-wide, so it won't work per definition.
>>39234013>humans arent meant to live like thisthe ubermench will live like that. we should live our live shedding the chains of old values to pave its way. Humanity is not an end but a road
>>39243295>soap opera I assumed you didnt read and I'm overly harsh in my tone I dont actually care because this gives me an opportunity to practice oratory upon people who are actually smart enough to know what I'm talking about >exactly, used toTheres 3 blanket categories for incel: incel slur, incel ideology and incel proper I pointed thus out because a retrospective read of my messages will show that I never used incel slur and only incel ideology and incel proper both of which I made distinguished with context clues >rituals change too much so it wont workEh, kinda If you're incel in Qatar but not in japan I wouldnt call that an incoherent definition I'd just say again youd need context clues For example this thread has a german background and the general conversation style is that of westerners so it's probably an anglospherecelIf you wanted to get more specific my use of english slang scattered about indicates I'm from england so although I mean colloquially my experience would mostly be with the anglocel populus and therefore you can figure out what I meanIt still works by definition you just need more autism or knowledge of social intricacies to figure out
>>39243338Even inside Western world things change. The way Macron got his wife wouldn't be allowed in the US (or other countries I might not be aware of), but in France it's 100% ok, no cares if the President did it that way.Even in same country it can change depending if it's a more urbanite or more rural mindset. Or big countries in the American continent customs/rules also change depending on the region, and so on.There are some male rites of passage of "becoming a man" best left unsaid, but in its geography it's 100% ok, or rather, lack of it may lead to ostracization.tl;dr - "incel" is not a universal truth type of word but a sophism rethorical one.
>>39243361>things change depending on regionThat's true for most terms I'm 5'5 so in england where I live I'm short but if I were to go to the Philippines where the average male is shorter than me I'm normal That doesnt mean that short isnt real and has no proper criterion it just means it changes That's the whole point of geomaxxing "I'm an incel here but I wont be there"
>>39243379For male muslims it's 100% normal to stay virgins until marriage, which can happen until late 20s only. Or rather, controlling oneself to stay virgin for marriage is considered "alpha" there.Their fertility rates are much higher too.Problem is you believe the "objective criteria" comes from the place of living, even without changing country one can go to a place where their personality perks fits better, nothing wrong with that.The alternative is to demand and indoctrinate that they should sacrifice their personality to conform to what was decided by some arbitrary thing.If there are many different sex positions rather than a single only one, why wouldn't there be many different dating/courting dynamics too?
>>39243416>For male muslims its 100% normal>controlling oneself is considered alphaTemporary voluntary celibacy (therefore not incel)>you believe the objective criteria comes from the place of living No it comes from the fact that one has extreme difficulty or impossibility finding a mate in their current circumstances (yes I'm aware this includes people who've had sex but truecel as a term alr resolved this)>even without changing country This is still a tamer form of geomaxxing But if you mean that because there are place names people dont know it doesnt really matter For example let's say I'm in London (I'm not) if I were to provide my credentials under the incel criteria (I'm also not an incel just using this as an example) I'd say I was a psoriasiscel, shortcel, spergcel, surraycel (a county within London) and zoomercel brand of incel You can add an infinite amount of specifiers to make it more easy to tell but most of the time [general continental region enough to indicate culture]cel is really all you need We can even apply this to the many sex positions thing you said How do you say "I had sex" you just simply say "I had sex" If you get further questions you could answer with "we did doggy" and maybe even further questions with "she was on top" but mostly it's just "I had sex" But theres 1000 specifiers depending on how much information you want to convey For example:We had traditional style, semiclothed, lingerie, alcohol fueled, fiery but mostly romantic, speechless, missionary position, light choking, male dominant, female submissive, soft styled sex The lack of information doesnt indicates not an exact term it just indicates the limitations of a singular word of a broad category to be specific Think of cat, dog, region, city or even abortion they're all words with a specific meaning but a diverse subject area Incel is the same
>>39243605>Temporary voluntary celibacy (therefore not incel)´In some case (like Imams or Priests) there's voluntary celebacy, is that Incel?>This is still a tamer form of geomaxxingIt's what mankind did since before recorded history, move to places where their customs are welcome and avoid places where their customs are not welcome.An alcohol enjoyer wouldn't go live in United Arab Emirates. Someone born in UAE who enjoys booze would live a happier life in a country where booze is accepted.Should he go for unhapiness to avoid comitting "geomaxxing"?
>>39243628When youu voluntarily take up celibacy it is not involuntarily celibacy When you mov you are not stationary when you are stationary you are not moving>its what mankind did since before recorded history Yes>should he go for unhappiness to avoid committing geomaxxingIf he wants to I guess? Do you think I'm adding positive or negative connotations to this or smthn
>>39243653>If he wants to I guess? Do you think I'm adding positive or negative connotations to this or smthnYou kinda write things that way "it's still geomaxxing" as if it's some sort of "sin"Point was that there is no objective universal standard here, which explains the word losing its meaning as time goes on.Ironically London has a large muslim population, so without moving cities one can get very different standards in courtship, so it's not even geography in this case, but just choosing communities, idk if it's still "tame geomaxxing".
>>39243688>you kinda write things that say [thing] is sin That's my bad but unless I specify I tend to write things absent of moral judgement because it's just easier that way >point was there is no objective universal standard here The objective universal standard is being unable to get laid in your current situation against your will for a prolonged period of time Incel isnt even the most volatile term I'd say one of the competitors for that is drowning You can drown everywhere anywhere and anytime (being really bad at using water, dry drowning, pneumonia or blood leaking into your lungs) >does that still count as geomaxxing I just described that in the comment before lastSurrey is contained within London and is an upper class community (the one that kier starma came from as well it's a nigger place) any form of situation change to provide a perceived benefit can be specified with the maxxing suffix (and yes I mean anything even goonmaxxing technically counts if they believe it will benefit them in some way) and anything to do with changing your location (or your geography) can be geo[graphy]Thus any form of changing your geography for your personal gain can be called geomaxxing even if you autistically apply it to everything Standing up because of back pain?Could technically be geomaxxing This is a problem with all words though Eventually you realise that words have a spirit that people tend to collectively follow which is the same reason a dead pig between 2 grains of wheat with grains of flower spilled ontop of them isnt considered a sandwich even though technically it is It's the same reason everyone eye rolls at the when does a chair stop becoming a chair question You just take the word as it is and apply it in the way that best conveys meaning
>>39243856>The objective universal standard is being unable to get laid in your current situation against your will for a prolonged period of timeWhat if one can get laid but the person one really wants to get laid with one gets rejected? That one person whose rejection really hurts? Is that incel in a way?>This is a problem with all words thoughSo I wasn't wrong, it's rethorical sophism all right.
>>39243997>scenario That falls under the mentalcel umbrella which falls under the incel umbrella and I guess the mire specific term would be yanderecel but I dont like it>its rhetorical sophismNo it's just the fog of linguistics it happens all the time For example I use the term "yell at" as a way to say telling off No one else uses it this way and they struggle to understand what I mean and why It's not intentional deceit with rhetoric it's just slight variations in personal nomenclature It's kinda like the my red isnt your red thing but actually consequential and happens with every word My the isnt your the Because of the unique psychological variations in humanity even though the word has a fixed meaning we all perceive it slightly differently and have a higher or lower amount of contexts we think it fits in
>>39244145>No it's just the fog of linguistics it happens all the timeYes, rethoric and sophism are about that which you mention>It's kinda like the my red isnt your red thing but actually consequential and happens with every wordIt's called subjective experience of the Qualia
>>39244293>rhetoric and sophism I googled it and it says rhetoric is persuading people by using words and sophism is basically using words and changing the meaning u dont see how I did thatWill google the qualia thing
>>39243254I'm not reading ten books to discover what this is when you could just drop a citation immediately
