Yes, this thread has been posted a few times before and reached the bump limit each time. So there was a lot to discuss. I will post it again because I want the opinions and explanations from other people who might have not seen it yet.

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>>39216621
really makes you wonder if the prison planet schizos are right OP

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>>39216621
>If God is omnipotent why does evil/suffering exist?

Because he wants it to. Satan/evil is just when God does stuff we don’t like. Why else would Christians call him “The Prince of the power of the air”? That means his father is the king.

>>39216670
>God wants children to experience cancer, abuse and rape.
>God wants billions of animals to get slaughtered each year, dying in pain and horrible conditions.

Any explanation as to why God finds this stuff pleasing? Would God be classified a sadist by human definition?

Furthermore, in the Bible it explicitly states that Satan has the ability to take peace away from humanity and cause pain, suffering, violence. He was given the power to do this by God. If God had a problem with this then he would simply take that power away.

Material reality is a filter and since you have free will you ultimately determine which actions you take, and whether or not you filter yourself out.

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>>39216621
because the 'single source father' you 'believe' is God (the father with no mother/mate) IS infact the LITERAL devil and 'he' holds the 'majority' of believers on this world: all abrahamism is EVIL.
that's why.

>>39216621
because it's fun and because he's very bored because he knows everything

>>39216621
There are natural evils of this world (Death, natural disasters, and disease).
There are mortal evils of this world that are committed by us because we have free will (rape, murder, and war).

This is why evil and suffering exist.

Take care, anon; I hope you find peace.

>>39217053
So would you say God is evil if he inflicts torture on souls for fun and boredom?

>>39216621
Because you came here with free will and your own choice and thusnany coordination between people will involve you using your conscience as a guide and learning not to coerce or control others but get them behind your ideas and thus create things that are greater than the sum of the parts. The things you see as evil are simply people who coordinate better or are willing to go places you do not. The Lord cannot just snap their finger and remove them either.
>But then your argument is that God isn't omnipotent
doesnt need to be. If creation can be anything you can imagine then why cant it be like this?

>>39216625
Yeah and you ignore posts where it gets pointed out to you that omnipotent doesn't mean what you think it means and dismiss every decent argument as not being within the framework of your threads. Don't respond to this retard, he will argue in circles until you admit that his very limited understanding of things is the only possible option.

>>39217206
>omnipotent doesn't mean what you think it means
https://dictionary.cambridge.org/dictionary/english/omnipotent

- having unlimited power and able to do anything
- TO DO ANYTHING

You're welcome.

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>>39217080
Here the enlightened ones say that it is okay because it is a divine game, so genocide and torture are okay from that perspective.

>>39217257
How do you feel about it?

>>39216621
This thread appears every 3 days and people still don't get it. God's premise is paradoxical, God is presented as an ineffable element in esoteric frameworks, which means it's paradoxical.

It is omnipotent and it is not. Also, vast majority of people in these threads address God in its exoteric form, the one sold by churches and other mainstream religious bodies. They address it as a being separate from everything else, which makes the argument even more pointless.

And i know some retard is gonna try to quote me with "oh so convenient, so because God is ineffable we can't discuss it", actually, yeah, whatever you're discussing right now isn't in reference to God, it's in reference to some idea of God you retards have. The only way to address God is through addressing the paradox.

>>39217416
>This thread appears every 3 days and people still don't get it.
You are just pretending that you know the ultimate truth and everyone else is dumb. Let people discuss stuff without having to insert yourself into it and arrogantly dismissing people left and right.
>They address it as a being separate from everything else
It doesn't even matter for the point that is being discussed. God could be inside of every torture victim and inside of the hammer that is being used to crush the person and in the air molecules, it doesn't make it any better subjectively for the person who suffers.
>some idea of God you retards have
"I KNOW WHAT GOD IS ACTUALLY LIKE AND IF YOU DARE TO DISCUSS IT ANY OTHER WAY YOU'RE A RETARD!!!"

Ok, buddy.

>>39217433
I just said God is ineffable, how am i gonna pretend i know what it is you mongrel? This is you reading what i've said and not understanding any of it.

>>39217443
You said:
>it's in reference to some idea of God you retards have
>The only way

making a claim that your perspective of God is the only accurate one and anyone who dares to take a different approach is a retard. Just fuck off then and huff your own farts if you have a problem with people discussing a different perspective, great enlightened one.

>>39217447
It's not my perspective of God, it's how God is addressed in all esoteric sources, and that is in an ineffable and paradoxical way, which is all inclusive so whatever other approach you decide to use will be incomplete in comparison.

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Gaining and maintaining attention means being interesting, which requires very dark blacks and very light whites to create the most detailed painting for you to get lost in

Evil exists because of your interest in it's contrast with the good, which keeps you engaged with the paradox of samsara

>>39217457
So you read every single esoteric source in the world and they all agree that God is ineffable and paradoxical and therefor you can't talk about them? Even if that is true (and it is not) that wouldn't stop me from talking to people about their personal views. I don't have to obey to your opinion or the opinion of "all esoteric sources in the world"

>>39217475
It'll be faster if you find an esoteric framework where God isn't ineffable and show it to me. And no, you can talk about it, as it's talked about in many works, but if you're not implementing its paradoxical nature into your narrative you're simply not talking about God.

And yes, you're free to entertain incomplete ideas for the sake of keeping the thread alive, i never told you the thread should closed, i simply pointed out how the thread is re-opened over again as if searching fro a "definitive" answer, when that answer has been delivered in pretty much all iterations of this thread.

the beatings will continue until you stop separating yourself from God
>but why does God--
bzzzt, wrong question
NEXT!

>>39217496
>into your narrative you're simply not talking about God
Prove it. Furthermore if God is omnipotent he can decide not to be paradoxical. Yes, it might not make sense to your human brain and we can't fathom that, but the definition means God can do what he wants. If God couldn't overcome, delete or make the concept of paradox disappear he's not omnipotent.

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>>39216621
God knows everything but isn't all powerful.

>>39217502
>being abused is fine because uhhh.. we are like all connected!
Huh?

>>39217507
the fall is real
do you:
a) dig deeper
b) deal with it

>>39217503
>Yes, it might not make sense to your human brain
Now this is funny, you using ineffability to argue against my ineffability case. I don't think my brain is the problem here, maybe yours it seems.

>>39216621
Let’s see, because we are the living embodiments of evil. Thus, to solve the problem, he has to get rid of us.

>>39217514
Okay that is your opinion. Thanks for sharing.

>>39217515
But he designed us so he's the source of evil.

>>39217519
>But he designed us so he's the source of evil.
Where's the peer reviewed empirical evidence that proves sky daddy made us, or that he exists for that matter.

>>39217529
There isn't but please refer to the premise of the thread. If you believe God doesn't exist or God is real yet limited in various ways that's not what we are discussing although it could be true.

>>39217536
>The premise of the thread is: God/Creator is real and he is omnipotent, omnipresent and omniscient.
Sure, but i take issue with the premise. No scientific evidence, i can reject it.

>>39217536
I am the alpha and the omega. What do you think that means?

>>39217544
you just gotta put God in a box, and then you can measure it for yourself

>>39217544
Wrong board then. But there is >>>/sci/

>>39216621

Argument:
"There can't be free will without evil!"
"Duality has to exist for you to know the difference!"

We are the Children of The Creator.
CHILDREN

Children must learn how to use their Divine Gifts of Creation, therefore we are given a CHOICE to on how to apply these gifts so that we may grow into our full potential.

If The Creator forced us to think, feel and act in a certain way, we could not be Creators ourselves, as we would have no free will.

Free will is the fundamental pillar of Creation.

Therefore we must be allowed to make mistakes so that we can grow and become responsible Creators who are loving, compassionate and forgiving just like our Creator.

>>39217606
>Children must learn
If God is omnipotent he could have created us perfect with all the knowledge already and no need to learn through suffering. You will say "but that's not as good!"... according to who though? God can just decide that it is and it would be.

>Free will is the fundamental pillar of Creation.
If nothing is impossible for God he is not bound by logic. So then why is sin/suffering necessary in order for us to have free will or to evolve or to learn, or whatever people give as an explanation for all the bad things down here? You seem to think people need to do certain things to grow but that is just so by God's design. He can decide you don't need to suffer or make mistakes to grow and it would be perfect. Now what?

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and what about all the eroopting
why god make big boom if big boom make destruction

Good cannot exist without evil. Things are defined by their opposites. God takes bad things and turns them into good things through the context the bad things are placed in. Some of the hardest most cruel experiences I've gone through in life are the same experiences that made me an enlightened person. I grew a lot and I learned things about life and the universe I wouldn't have learned otherwise. Was it hell? yes. Was it worth it? yes. Don't be a baby.

>>39217975
>Good cannot exist without evil
If you actually believe that then you don't believe God is omnipotent. Do you not understand that you put limits on him? By saying something simply can't be without (insert whatever)...

If God is the master of reality and anything he wants happens, regardless if it makes sense to you or not, then good can exist without evil and it would be perfect if he wanted to. There could also be more than duality and it could be 102010218-lity.

>I grew a lot and I learned things about life and the universe I wouldn't have learned otherwise.
You could learn without being in baby rape, child cancer, war and suffering simulator.
God can simply will it, but he wants you to hurt instead. Why? It is not needed for the learning, he can decide otherwise.

>>39216621
I have power over other things, and despite being generally benevolent, I can still be cruel or ambivalent to those things' wants and needs. Think about an author, conjuring characters outta imagination. They put them through some horrible shit despite being omnipresent, omnipotent, and omniscient.

>>39218089
If the author knows the people in his stories REALLY feel all of it and he keeps writing for his own amusement or benefit then I would call them cruel.

>>39218119
To those imagined character, maybe it does feel real. But because he's the author, he assumes they don't. Maybe it's the same for God.

>>39218132
You think God has no idea we often feel like shit?

not sure if related but i once heard someone say that when some believers prayed to god to show himself physically the moment he did he was like the sun and the mountain started melting and they were like terrified of the ordeal so he obviously wont repeat the same mistake and has stuck to using other ways...

>>39216621
You have to have choice. Otherwise sentience is meaningless.

>>39218216
You have to. Okay, this is determined by what? Human logic? Another force that is stronger than God?

>>39217930
God does create us all (God) perfectly where we are then impressed upon and forged by the consequences of our predecessors (God) and parental figures (God again).

Now that you are here (omg) and paying attention, you may either:
a) seek to recognize and understand the myriad of imperfections so that you may better correct and excise them in the way only an all-knowing figure could
b) perpetuate them, either maliciously or through ignorance

The choice is always yours. God wouldn't have it any other way.

>But why doesn't God do it all for me? All I see is hate and suffering??
almost.. there...

>I'm trying to bake a cake, but uncle keeps groping me and mumbling something about pretty girls. Why did God allow this?
Your uncle does not know God which means we have work to do.

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>this thread again

>>39218270
seethe, dilate and cope

>>39218243
There would be 0% need for imperfections and struggle if God decided to make you with all the learning and maturity instantly.

>>39218323
>God dictates what I am
happening in real time!

>>39218327
>"Hello God, could you achieved every goal you wanted to achieve with Earth without inhuman crimes and pain?"

>"Yes!"
>"No!" <--- limited

There is no omnipotent being, but there are some very powerful beings.

>>39217069
>There are natural evils of this world (Death, natural disasters, and disease).
Evil means immoral acts and is therefore an intelligent choice and transgression against what's considered moral. The more intelligent you are and aware of your actions, the greater the evil as you have an increased responsibility to act right and just. Priests and others masquerading as holy men preaching morality while abusing children and the vulnerable are great evils.

Death and disease etc. are natural parts of the energy recycling. The universe is always moving and energy can not be destroyed, only change. Dead materia breaks down and serve as nutrients for the living.

>>39218336
many babies will cry

>>39218354
Yeah and? There is no reason unless you're sadistic or indifferent to give children cancer and to slaughter billions of animals each year in pain and fear. You're just a psycho if you brush this off as "LE BABY IS LE CRYING"... because if God is all powerful none of this would be needed, he just WANTED it to be there cause he wants the pain.

>>39218368
you are like baby
many tears, no understanding

>>39218379
Not an argument. Not an explanation. You are literally just defending things like child molestation with "umm ur a baby! who cares if kids get hurt" ok m8

>>39218444
Yes, you have rejected every argument and explanation given to you almost as if you are rejecting God and all of His gifts to you. hmmm

>>39218379
this. OP doesn't want to understand, only complain.

>>39218473
>>39218476
If God is omnipotent there's no explanation that isn't evil or indifferent. You people don't seem to understand what this thread is about. Actually use your brain for a second and consider what "NOTHING IS IMPOSSIBLE" means.

If nothing is impossible for God then free will and learning could exist without horrible evil. You have no argument besides "baby cri!" against that which isn't an explanation at all.

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>premise: God is omnipotent.
>people: umm good can't exist without evil! free will can't exist without evil!

niggas really can't comprehend what omnipotence means

>>39218517
Christcucks are sheep.

>>39218510
If God was face to face with you answering your questions you'd still reject them. You are the problem not God. Your pride is disguised as curiosity.

>>39218536
I wouldn't reject it. But I would love to know the reason for if nothing is impossible for him why he insisted to include so many horrors into reality for his own fun.

>>39218510
You are trying to skip to the end of the book which we presume exists. You just don't wanna hear about how we got there. Your argument is "well if one baby gets raped, then forget the whole thing." My argument is "if we can all find love in the end, it will have all been worth it." The difference is in perspective and taking ownership of flaws.

>>39218510
They can't argue against it. You've reached the ceiling of their bullshit. They know your reasoning is sound but if they acknowledge it, it would challenge their contrived notions and actually make them question their faith. So instead, they resort to childish ridicule and mockery because you won't accept their asinine mental gymnastics explanations as fact like they do.

This is the penultimate outcome of Christcucks in every omnipotence/evil thread. Every single time.

The purpose of life is to eventually become like God. You can't become like God unless you overcome literally everything. /thread.

>>39218544
Why would you blame yourself is an omnipotent designer made you to act on your flaws and knew you will act on your flaws and watched joyfully as it all happened? The being with more power is the one to blame.

>"if we can all find love in the end, it will have all been worth it."
So if some guy comes to your house and beats the shit out of your wife and fists her but then at the end you get some consolation money and God tells you good job then it was worth it? See I disagree. I think God should have prevented it from happening at all. Having a happy end doesn't erase all the horrors that happened and didn't need to happen.

>>39218476
He posts this same exact argument every so often. It's tiring arguing the same thing. If you don't agree with him or provide something he doesn't want to hear, he just keeps repeating himself. It's pointless.

>>39218561
You're right but I'm just in awe how they don't realize that what they're saying makes no sense and are just excuses for suffering, essentially brainwashed servants who defend their abusive master.

>>39218571
Because people don't argue on the PREMISE of OMNIPOTENCE. Are you too fucking retarded to understand that? It's always "this can't exist" or "it has to be like that" which is not the topic of the thread.

>>39218570
I hope one day you overcome your fears and see how beautiful the world actually is
log off, touch grass, lawyer up, delete facebook, hit the gym, etc. etc.

>>39218571
nah you're just dumb

>>39218566
Watch OP ignore this post.

>>39218585
>a planet where billions of sentient animals are slaughtered in misery each year is beautiful
You people are actually psychopaths.

>>39218593
Already talked about that point previously. God can literally just create you from scratch to be like him without the need to have pedophile sex rings all around the world. Hope this helps!

Yes, it is I, OP that should get to dictate what God and all of creation is!
How dare he choose to show me what I am for I am insufferable!

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>>39218604
Oh my bad, let's just submissively gape our asses and kneel down instead of questioning why so much terror and suffering plagues the whole world and nature. How arrogant of us to criticize the omnipotent being who could easily change that!

>>39218597
Ever see the movie Mega Mind? The guy who just gets super powers without having to earn the powers acts like a douche bag and abuses his powers to serve himself. If you suffer, sacrifice and learn true compassion on others you learn to use your powers for the benefit of others (selfless like Christ is). What the fuck is the point of "just make me perfect instantly"?

>>39218623
I haven't seen the movie.
>If you suffer, sacrifice and learn true compassion on others you learn to use your powers for the benefit of others.
Okay but why do you believe this? Because that is God's current design. Can you explain to me why God couldn't decide "my God children are perfect and have a total understanding of compassion and how to be fair when I snip my finger" and do that instead?
> What the fuck is the point of "just make me perfect instantly"?
What is the point after you're perfect? You arrive at the same goal anyway.
And again God could decide that it is full of meaning.

If OP went through actual relentless pain suffering in his life he'd understand. It is the ONLY way to understand.

>>39218611
You are looking for an easy out. There is a switch in your head you can flip. Only you can flip it. Me and many others in your threads try to show you where that switch is. You refuse to flip it. You cry. I do not.

>>39218571
The thread keeps getting posted because you people can never provide an answer that satisfies the criteria of what OP asked. What's worse is you always follow the exact same script.

You always start off the thread by providing an inadequate justification for the clear flaws in the concept of an omnipotent God allowing evil, which you then resort to scapegoating it as Satan, original sin, or free will despite knowing God has full dominion over all these things, and when someone points this out, you ultimately start to gaslight and pretend it wasn't a legitimate question to begin with even though you just spent the first half of the thread trying to prove it wrong
>>39218476
>>39218571
>>39218517
Even Bartimaeus could see through your transparent tactics.

>>39218628
The process must happen and it sounds like you just want to skip the suffering. It doesn't work that way. The suffering works in your favor but only if you actually bare it.

>>39218633
You are unable to answer the question and glorify pain. You call a world where billions of feeling beings are tortured, live in fear and pain, then devoured beautiful. You are a psychopath.

You make excuses for abuse and pain, that don't need to exist because God is omnipotent and can achieve everything without it, if he wants to.

>>39218630
It has been studied. Most people who experienced intense trauma and pain come out worse at the end with more mental health problems, suicidal urges and self hatred.

>>39218643
I forgot to mention the timeless "read the book of Job" post, as if that doesn't make OPs stance even more legitimate.

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>>39218643
>You always start off the thread by providing an inadequate justification for the clear flaws in the concept of an omnipotent God allowing evil, which you then resort to scapegoating it as Satan, original sin, or free will despite knowing God has full dominion over all these things, and when someone points this out, you ultimately start to gaslight and pretend it wasn't a legitimate question to begin with even though you just spent the first half of the thread trying to prove it wrong

I'm glad you see it too. They don't even read the OP or just don't really think about what omnipotence means.

- Good or free will can't exist without evil!
- ... but omnipotence means that good and free will can exist without evil
- YOU'RE A PUSSY! YOU'RE WEAK! YOU'RE A BABY!
- ... that doesn't answer my question about God

Wow, thanks. Great talk.

>>39216621
> If nothing is impossible for God he is not bound by logic.

Not gonna lie, I didn't bother to read your whole post, but in my defense I've seen this argument made a million or more times and here's my response:

For God is not a God of confusion but of peace. - 1 Corinthians 14:33

Just because God is not bound by logic does not mean that He doesn't desire order. Seems to me that logic and order are very important to Him. It also seems to me that your argument is entirely selfish. It's basically

> why doesn't God do everything I want Him to do so that I can live however I want and still go to heaven?

Because that's not how this works. God is the creator and ruler of all existence. That means we play by His rules. But on a deeper level, it means that He is the ultimate being in the universe, the embodiment of all that is righteous (so to speak) and so our existence isn't even about us; it's about Him. John Piper puts it best: God is not man-centered, He's God-centered. Everything in the universe is God-centered. Trying to escape that only causes disorder and pain. You can't live however you want and spend eternity in heaven because you can't divest from God and expect to stay in communion with Him. You are a part of His creation, and He's not required to admit you into heaven if you spend your life here rejecting that truth.

>>39218657
But God is the designer of order. He can just decide what order means and entails, unless you want to claim order is a power and authority outside of God. This means God can decide order to be in a way that doesn't include child cancer and billions of animals to die in pain each year.
>God is the creator and ruler of all existence. That means we play by His rules.
I know. I don't deny that I am his pawn or victim.

>>39218643
I've provided you answers many times. You just refuse to accept how things are. You refuse to place on anyone but God. Don't bother writing a paragraph in response to me. You can keep refusing to take responsibility for your own actions. Hopefully one day you mature.

>>39218662
You're not even talking to me (OP) you tard it's someone else. But he is RIGHT.

There is a fast way for you to shut it all down that has no effect on me, but I'm afraid to talk about that because I don't want you to actually do it. But I think it's at the core of what you struggle with, OP. Is life worth the pain? I say yes, and so here I stand.

>>39216621
Before I answer this question be honest with me, have you manipulated your own genitals for recreation before?

>>39218662
>"So instead, they resort to childish ridicule and mockery"
Not even OP, but I will accept your concession nonetheless.

sure wish we had some kind of IP counter so we knew how many posters itt
but I guess that's too crazy
some omnipotent God we have

>>39218662
>You refuse to place on anyone but God
He said to me, 'It is done. I am the Alpha and the Omega, the Beginning and the End'" (Revelation 21:6).

>>39218658
> But God is the designer of order.

And you are experiencing His design as we speak. Again, you may have problems with it, but at some point you again have to realize that your issue with His design is still just

> why doesn't He don't the way I want it done

If you want more in-depth answers, I encourage you to read and legitimately study the Bible, and to listen to sermons by John Piper about this topic. His YouTube channel is called Desiring God. He just put up a couple of videos in this same vein over the past couple of weeks

>>39218689
What? I don't understand that question.

>>39218692
... heheh

>>39218715
Yes, but imagine I take your mother and beat her to death slowly in front of you. You tell me to stop and I shrug and say: "You are just mad that I'm not doing what you want me to do."

Is that a satisfying conclusion to me committing something painful and horrible? Would you be like yeah ok that makes sense! After all God made me, designed me and he knew I would do this to your mother and he wanted it to happen so he allowed it, it is also by his design.

I would still think that's bad.

>>39216621

Suffering causes spiritual growth

let the storm rage onnnnn
the cold never bothered me anyway
do doo doodo

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>>39218720
I beg of you please start thinking what omnipotence means before you reply. Every thread 20 different people will answer this.

>Suffering causes spiritual growth

If God is OMNIPOTENT he can decide that there is 0 need for spiritual growth. In fact he could make you perfect with all the growth in the universe from the moment you were. God makes the rules, if he is indeed all-mighty and limitless.

>>39218726
>>39218720
Zero need for spiritual growth through suffering, to explain it further.

God designs reality.
God designs "maximum and ideal growth is achieved with 0% suffering needed, none of my children has to suffer and everything I want is achieved to its full potential, it is so"

The end.

>>39218726

>God is OMNIPOTENT he can decide that there is 0 need for spiritual growth

Logic is logic, God cannot unmake that which is logical.

There is a need for spiritual growth.

omg look at that
God has created a bunch of beings
they even have access to Him!
I wonder what happens next??
probably all sorts of drama I can't even imagine
guess we'll give it a shot!

>>39218734
>God cannot unmake that which is logical.
Then God is not omnipotent and limitless.
And "logic" is a force outside of God that keeps him in bondage and he can't overcome or change.
So who made logic then and why is it more powerful than God?

>>39218720
Cope

>>39218730

Designing reality doesn't mean that things can be illogical. Knowledge is power and has to follow a pattern according to the nature of things.

>>39218744
I'm not saying you are wrong. You might be right and God can't overcome logical limitations, but the threads premise is that God is omnipotent. Look up the definition of omnipotence. It means ANYTHING is possible for God, this includes breaking, changing or ignoring logic.

If you believe God can't overcome logic then logic is a force God can't control and keeps him limited.

>>39218718
That's a completely different thing. We were talking about order just a second ago. Now you're talking about murder, which is expressly disallowed by the God and His Word.

Obviously, I would try to protect her.

But to play into the metaphor a bit, if God sees fit to cause your child to have cancer, do you not still take your child to the hospital and try to have him healed?

Submitting to God does not mean relinquishing all your agency. What it does mean is a longer conversation. Happy to have it tho

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>>39218730
God clearly doesn't want Robot World or else they would have just made a bunch of robots

>>39218716
I was making a joke that all suffering is cause people masturbate but your ignorance made me the fool...

>>39218754
Yes, but murder is part of Gods order because nothing happens without his design, approval and foresight. Free will could exist without murder, yet murder happens so that means God approves of murder in his design.

>>39218753

We can conclude that omnipotence needs to be redined

>>39218756
A human could be a robot to an alien race. Our limitations and struggles could be robotic to another species. Do you think humans are the maximum degree of not-robot possible? There could be 100000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000x more free will and agency if God wanted to.

But we just subscribe to these things cause God designed it to be that way, if the premise is true.
God could made a world with no pain and decide it's 100% free will and un-robotic and it would be so. It would feel exactly like that. If he can't do that he's not omnipotent.

>>39218773

*Redefined

>>39218753
In order for everything to be perfect with zero suffering (I think we agree God desires this), you will need to act perfectly, ensuring all action matches His will. Are you willing to put in the work to disillusion yourself and realize that which you already are? As you try, you may notice God encourages it greatly.

>>39218780

Suffering is an illusion of perspective. Everything already is perfect. Embrace the duality if light and dark. The light is amplified in the dark.

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>>39218773
So if you believe God is bound by logic, which might be true, then how did that happen? Why is there a force in the universe that God can't break or change to his liking? Do you have a theory?

>>39218769
Apologies :')

>>39218780
The afterlife already seems perfect and people are doing what they want for the most part. I am just going by near death experiences. They talk about beautiful gardens, beauty and peace of a scale that is unimaginable for us on Earth, no boredom, no pain and just love. And they just live there. What is wrong with that?

But then they say how they are ripped out of the perfection and cast into incarnations on Earth with some bullshit reasons. I think it's suspicious.

>>39218795

>Do you have a theory?

I still need to gain more knowledge on the subject of a higher power. There are resources for this, though, psychedelics are one avenue for spiritual research.

>>39218795
all walls were His creation
but does He tear down the walls, or does He enjoy them?
time will tell

>>39216621
Being omnipotent doesn't mean you have to solve every problem or that your suffering isn't part of some greater plan. It also doesn't mean God NEEDS there to be a greater plan. Maybe God is the system admin over the universe. Able to see all outcomes but you're just the sim with the ladder removed from the pool. Why? Because fuck you, that's why.

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>>39218777
First of all, checked

>Do you think humans are the maximum degree of not-robot possible?
I think most people are closer to robots than to divinity, that's for damn sure. I'm an actual "we live in an alien computer game" sort of guy, so I can 100% get behind the idea that "A human could be a robot to an alien race"

>God could made a world with no pain and decide it's 100% free will and un-robotic and it would be so. It would feel exactly like that. If he can't do that he's not omnipotent.
My personal take is that God likes narratives, and it's impossible to tell a story where there's no conflict. I know I can arbitrarily change the RAM stack of a video game I'm playing in a way where I could turn anything into creative-mode Minecraft, but that game bores the shit out of me because there's no narrative to it. Just cause God doesn't use the console commands doesn't mean they don't exist.

>>39218835
>impossible to tell a story where there's no conflict
I think they call it porno
oh no, wait, are our judgements a problem?

>>39218148
No, more like to god we are just characters he imagined. So he'd be posting on God /x/ like, yeah but they're not REAL, you know?

>>39218770
I wouldn't say He approves, or that it's part of His design. Dual causality can be confusing, and I'm not going to claim I understand it perfectly. I think a useful distinction is that while God is sovereign over sin -- given that He is sovereign over everything -- He does not approve of sin or sin Himself.

One example I read once is in the Bible when David took the census. In 2 Samuel, it says that God incited David to do it, while in 1 Chronicles, it says Satan incited David.

Got Questions article for reference: https://www.gotquestions.org/David-census.html

If you're feeling confused by God's design including sin, research on dual causality is a good place to start. Sin is also a temporary condition of this world given the fall, and I think remembering that can be helpful as well. It's easy to begin feeling overwhelmed and having your faith tested by the thought of all the evil in the world today. It helps to remember that our time here is but a blip in the grand plan God has for all existence, even if we can't know that plan fully. And if thinking of our time here as a blip causes you stress, just remember that when the blip is over we get to move on to the next thing in full communion with the Creator of the universe if we choose to accept Him now.

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>Man is not omniscient so he cannot know what would be right or wrong in a situation of complete knowledge
>Man is not perfect therefore doesnt embrace morality and cant know it
>Evil cant exist without God therefore the argument of evil grants God exists to disprove him
Dumb argument cant even exist kek silly reddits

>>39216621
you OP, you are the sole reason evil exists, I would exterminate you all, but God is greater than me and God is merciful and seeks that you reconsider your faggotry

>>39219062
Can you elaborate how I'm the reason for nature causing animals to tear each other apart, parasites, starvation and other evil things?

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>>39216621
>If God is good why does evil exist?
Now I will reverse your question back to you;
If God is evil why does good exist?

>>39217529
Is this sarcasm?
>>39217519
You are wrong , the fall of mankind is the source of evil. The serpent that tempted Adam and Eve. The original sin. Fallen angels (demons)
>>39217606
:D
>>39218561
I have a few instructions for you , please follow them. Please locate and place your index finger on the wheel on your mouse. Please scroll up until you see an image of an cat face-palming and now kindly read the text beneath. Thank you <3


Most people here are just edgy which isn't surprising considering it's 4cvck but it's boring at this point. I hope everyone reading this has a great day <333

>>39218644
This

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>>39219157
>>39218644

>>39216621
I'm glad people are asking this question. My logic as a Buddhist/atheist (debate me) is:
>Axiom 1: Suffering exists
>Axiom 2: Suffering shouldn't exist
>Conclusion: There never was, is not, and never will be an all-powerful all-good entity anywhere in reality.
I say never will be because an omnipotent omnibenevolent being could and would time travel from the future to erase all suffering that has existed throughout all time. Thus if there were a god in the way people traditionally think of a god, there would be no suffering. Since there is suffering, if there is a god it lacks one or both of these traits.

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>>39216632
we DEFINITELY live on a prison planet
>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fAHagWBRUYQ
Moreover, in this interview:
>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JOzK4ByFbzo
the grey alien "Airl" tells the US that yahweh was an alien who pretended to be god and in reality there are many souls, rejecting pantheism/one universal soul (the interviewer is convinced that her civilization is atheist). She also says we are living on a prison planet. She might have lied to us about some things because at the end she refused to sign a document saying that everything she told us was true, but that doesn't mean everything she said is false. She said the name "yahweh" was chosen by the Old Empire (who put us here) because it means "anonymous". We have had billions of years of past lives and they don't want to trigger a memory recall, because one person recovering their memories could lead to them helping other people recovering their memories and before you know it the whole planet has the wisdom we accumulated over billions of years with which to fight back against the Old Empire (by the way she said they wiped our memories with advanced technology, but fortunately a soul's memories cannot be permanently erased). Her civilization's name is the Domain.

>>39216686
Depends on who you ask. Maybe you should ask him.

>>39216621
Humanity 100% has Free will thefore we are responsible for ourselves and it is up to us wether or not we as a species decide what's good and what's bad for us. The thing is more than 90% of this world fails to even realize that thus we are able to be so easily controlled and now here we are because yes silence is consent. God has already given you all the power to make a better change in this world but you really gotta walk that walk because no one is going to lead you and follow you all the way and they will even mislead you sometimes so walk to drum of your own beat and if youre heart is good than you'll do amazing things while you are on your path.

>>39219466
>Humanity 100% has Free will
We don't. 100% free will would mean to a master of your reality and to be actually free. As humans you are victim of many circumstances completely out of your control. Also nature is full of painful and horrible shit, humans doing good would not change the fundamental cruel way of nature.

>>39218835
> I'm an actual "we live in an alien computer game" sort of guy
Interesting!

>My personal take is that God likes narratives, and it's impossible to tell a story where there's no conflict.
But the word impossible wouldn't apply to a God. He can weave reality and logic into whatever he wants. Imagine you make a video game and you design into your characters that in this world people are 100% happy without a challenge and they think their lives are full of meaning and they never get bored. It would be so for the characters. And God can do much more than a game designer.

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>>39218824
>Being omnipotent doesn't mean you have to solve every problem or that your suffering isn't part of some greater plan
That is true. But I can't help feeling angry or pointing my finger at the creator if he has the power to achieve everything without horror but still decided that he will makes us experience suffering regardless because... fuck you!

If I was an omnipotent God and I had children or pets, I would grant them the ability to do whatever they want. Most if not all would probably only want to experience love and pleasure forever anyway if you can erase boredom through omnipotence.

>>39219188
I agree with you.

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ITT: OP refuses overcome adversity. Grow up.

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>>39216621
my evil faggot god siccs demons on me and lets them torture me for fun and epic bets with the devil. lucifer is the bad guy though?? idk I fall for racketeering every time

>>39219610
>children get raped and animals get slaughtered to roleplay overcoming adversity

epic argument
+10 upvotes

>>39216621
God could spend eternity jacking off with his own ego-centric fleshlights and autofellagio endlessly like the physical properties of a klein-bottle but everybody knows that it feels better and more validating to have someone else do those things for you. That's why people say "go fuck yourself" rather than "go jack yourself off", because such hinderances of people that we come across in our lives should only be subjected to the ultimate punishment: a forever tease of which is the perfect validation of the self, to be able to fuck oneself, logically impossible. We aren't perfect and need others to validate us, and even if given the opportunity to become perfect does the question always remain in mind: "if there was another me, what would he think of me?" He would be looking in a mirror, it needs to become separate. "An entity in my image yet still separate, what would he think of me?" If validation occurs, it could be forced. It must be real, it needs to be different, it needs to hate him. Creating something that hates him on purpose will eventually spawn whom we call the idiots for God to have validating pity sex with him. His orgy of religions will soothe the pain of the burden of being a God whose only purpose is to love oneself with all his will, yet he chooses to hate himself. It is logical to want to love oneself and illogical to want to hate oneself, and if God is illogical then he hates himself. I want pity but no one will ever truly pity me for it is logical that I can make myself into a respectable person, God cannot. Either suffer the consequence of your perfectionism or be doomed to be shamed for all eternity. To pity or not to pity?

One must ask themselves questions on the nature of God; has God always existed or did he come into being? Where is God or is everything God. What is the end goal of God and is he aware of it, after he deals with mortals does he have plans to expand? If so, was he ever really omnipotent and all powerful, or was he part of something greater. If everything is encompassed by God, there is no purpose or calling extraneous to his will and whims. Those who don't ask these questions are the very same who demand we blindly follow this God/

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>>39219745
> One must ask themselves questions on the nature of God
nah, I really don't need to. shit doesn't exist

>>39219607
Humans create simulations without any real limits but impose limits on the creates of those worlds because limits are more interesting than the chaos of no limits.

I believe that God is everything there is and that everything is happening all at once in other dimensions too. Every single possibility is played out with the goal to experience it in order to grow further.

Imagine training an AI, running millions of instances with slightly different scenarios all at the same time in order to advance.

I can imagine that God has a preference in outcomes and can intervene.

Nevertheless, everything has to happen.

>>39216686
>pleasing
Bold to assume that a being with such power has any use for a concept such as pleasure.

>>39216621
think of a blank slate in a workshop
you can create anything, Nothing is beyond your limits

you create a bunch of stone men that walk around doing things that you tell them to
perfection, no evil
boredom

escalate the thought process to include freewill so they can choose to do a thing, give them emotions so they can feel joy and sadness and see the rift between it, give them personality, needs and wants
that is where strife comes from, that is where suffering comes from, it's very human to suffer and struggle when their living conditions are cramped and miserable, when their life consists of laboring and when they're a prisoner of borders and pyramids

>but omnipotent
chemical bliss "utopia", you CAN create a world where everyone is happy all the time without deviation, is that a world you would want to live in?
>b-buh he could make it so we want to
as much as i love disproving the god meme due to it literally just being a painting on the wall saying "obey, labor, reproduce, die", god making it so we want to be junkies and the chemical bliss having no physical negative effects on us would make is into a rave like sea of bliss dystopia

you have to see it from outside to know that it isn't something you want

Adam and Eve were made perfect for their _purpose_.
They could have avoided sin, but they chose not to.
Being perfect for a _purpose_ is not the same as being infinitely perfect in all possible areas.
You wouldn't judge a fish for failing to live on land, but fish were designed perfectly for living in water.
Adam and Eve messed up with a full hand of cards, so to redeem man, man must become right despite lacking a full hand of cards.

>>39216632
I've also heard this world described as a school where you can learn in to progress to higher realities, but if you constantly misbehave then you go to detention so of course if seems like a prison to those people. There's also the fact that real world schools aren't the nice places that they used to be, so describing the world as a school doesn't have the same connotation to a younger generation as it might to an older generation.

>>39220132
mikhail bakunin has a few things to say about god, you should read his book (or listen to audiobook) and skip to the part where he goes to dissect the concept and lays out what its purpose is

>>39220153
>all the torture, abuse and death is uhh... so you learn... something uhh.. don't question it buddy keep slaving away..

Learn what? People in near death experiences describe the other side usually as perfect and that they have all the knowledge of the universe at their fingertips instantly.

And even if it was for "learning" so you incarnate 10000000000000 times and you experienced every possible murder, rape, disease and crime. Now what? What are you gonna do with all that wisdom in the afterlife? Jerk off?

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>>39220153
I swear to Wotan if I die, wake up in the afterlife, and have to deal with fucking school nannies trying to subvert my mind some more I'm just going to start killing and devouring and never stop. done it before, can do it again

>>39219749
Last time I saw you on here you were posting about "pounding some shrooms" the following day. How was your trip?

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>>39220371
pretty good, that was last Monday. I enjoyed a fun day of connecting with nature and animals and then an incredibly fun week of watching everything I wanted to manifest come true. made over a year's worth of living expenses on the stock market last week. the /psych/ thread got archived and I got banned for trolling trannies so I didn't get to post my post-trip screed about awesome places to live but TLDR it's where warriors go to retire

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>>39220364
same

>>39216621
>why do they exist?
Everything exists.

>>39217496
Acintya-bheda-abheda
t. another anon that BTFO your argument last thread
>inb4 you define esoteric as conceiving of a formless, ineffable God

>>39220470
Are you actually retarded? Acintya literally means ineffable, and my argument has always been about the ineffable nature of God and how people want to ignore that fact in favor of turning it into a separated figure.

I don't know what you're trying to prove here.

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>>39220486
> it's not understandable to me so nobody else should ever try and I'll shout them down for even trying to approach the subject

abrahamic gatekeeping at its finest. a million delusions and illusions to hide the fact that sky daddy just simply doesn't exist.

>>39220521
Well, it's quite simple actually, if you understood the ineffable, it would mean it wasn't ineffable to begin with, and all esoteric frameworks label God as ineffable, the abrahamic frameworks are just a few of the very many.

This means it's your brain rot, ignorance and arrogance vs the vast amount of aligning esoteric frameworks that have set up the philosophical guidelines and axioms for the idea of God. Just because you're retarded and don't feel like wrapping your head around paradoxes doesn't mean God can be distilled down to an exoteric "sky daddy" and still be considered the same thing all these esoteric frameworks talk about.

>>39219188
Axiom 3: suffering chargers the batteries to this place… remember pain is temporary, but suffering is forever…

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>>39220554
all those paradoxes (actually logical contradictions) are just the logical conclusions of believing in authoritarian retard fantasies with no basis in reality and no merit. just an endless procession of "gurus" who gaslight and rape their followers spewing fantasy words

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>>39220554
every dumb fucking "esoteric framework" believed in geocentrism and flat earth too. none of them were correct. it took casting off these retarded superstitions and banning the faggots spewing them from the room for humanity to step one foot off this spinning rock in space

by all means though, keep spewing about how your jew god is just so unknowable and eneffable because if you knew him you might have to confront that he has character flaws and you're too much of a pathetic sycophant to do that

>>39220591
You're free to think that, you haven't observed much though. If you're trying to consciously find truth you're going to inevitably run into paradox, you have been running into it all your life you just haven't noticed.

But i'm not anyone's teacher nor i want to, so don't think i'm trying to deviate your personal view, i'd actually prefer it if you just ran with it and stopped making me read all this stupid shit.

>>39220606
Why are you so obsessed with abrahamic sects? I'm not even abrahamic. But regardless, the wisdom in esoteric frameworks isn't measured with the earthly factoids they're trying to disregard to begin with, it's about mapping the psychic and spiritual, that is why it has to come in esoteric format, it can't be shared otherwise.

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>>39220610
> You're free to think that
I don't need your permission, cunt

> you haven't observed much though
you have no idea what I know, cunt

> If you're trying to consciously find truth you're going to inevitably run into paradox, you have been running into it all your life you just haven't noticed.
no, I won't. accepting paradoxes is for cunts who've given up on ever finding the truth. cunt

> so don't think i'm trying to deviate your personal view
ofc, you just want to gaslight and insult people and that's why I'm insulting you. cunt

>>39220628
your dumb fucking "esoteric" hallucinations aren't reality and aren't facts, but you still state them as facts. this is why you're such a cunt

>>39220559
I just had deja vu. You again. Fuck off with your schizobabble about batteries

>>39220652
How does it feel being too dumb for sci/ and x/ at the same time?

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>>39220687
how's it feel to have multiple anons remembering you from your writing style and specifically recalling how easily all your arguments and insults are blown out

>>39220699
Says the guy offering Acintya as the non-ineffable esoteric framework when the word literally means ineffable. Most retarded shit i've seen here this month and i see a lot.

Frogposter of course.

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>>39220705
> frogposter
you're just desperate for any little label to latch onto. a true, desperately ill ignoramus that's failed to make a single coherent point. go read some more books on gurgling piss and drawing runes, god forbid you crack open a chemistry or physics book and ever figure out how things actually work

which god are you talking about hahahhahaahahahaha

>>39220727
>figuring out how things work
>using a physics book
This is why i know you're as knowledgeable about science as you are about occultism, esotericism and philosophy. A well rounded retard.

>>39220486
>Acintya literally means ineffable
And in that philosophy, God is very very extensively described and known.
Was seems you don't understand acintya.
As you didn't when I BTFO of your argument last thread.
The ineffable God is knowable.
God is not beholden to your limitations of logic and language.

What was proven was an esoteric system with a knowable God.
It was given to you.
And as expected, you blindly deny this fact.

>>39220705
Wasn't me, you're just too stupid to discern between anons.
But fun to see you get upset over losing an argument to someone else.

>>39221040
You seem confused, ineffability can't be understood, and that is maintained in acintya bheda abheda, what can be understood through bhakti are the peripheral elements surrounding God, or Krishna, which is pretty much an avatar sharing similar dynamics with Jesus.

Ineffability and inconceivability of God/oneness are central pillars to that philosophy, so much so it's in its fucking name. What you're trying to sell here doesn't make any sense, like i said, ineffability can't be knowable. And esoteric frameworks who present God as ineffable (all), also explore peripheral aspects to God and its projections, did you think their texts only contain "it's ineffable so we can't talk about it"?.

You're an arrogant idiot who's more worried about looking like the winner of an online argument than actually learning shit.

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>>39216621
God is all powerful because all that is being done is being done by God and within God.

God is the only doer.

Any fractal of the Monad are somewhere on the spectrum of one step down from relatively all powerful, to completely powerless.

Evil is the duality of expression, instead of acting from unity of being, it is acting from ignorance of being.

Suffering is a natural side effect to fragmented consciousness identifying with its fragmented state while inwardly longing for its absolute state.

The only true identity is God
All other paradigms, and identities are necessarily false in an absolute sense.

God is omnipresent because where ever there is a presence possible, there is God perceiving.

God is omnipotent because wherever there is action possible, there is God acting.

The question as to why creation is one way and not another way is like asking why red is red and not purple.

Creation is the fragmentation of totality split up into finite segments of moment of moment continuous experience which we call space and time. If it weren't fragmented out in this way it would continue to be totality [all possible things happening simultaneously in one eternal moment] This is the state of God, the perception of God.

The various demiurgical God heads within creation that people refer to as God, are not all powerful. The laws of existence are based on the original Being, these soul fragments create illusory playgrounds within that Being, the laws are eternal, the power is in the veiling of the Absolute in order to bring about created forms.

For example when we dream, the only substance out of which are dreams are made of is our own conscious projection. No matter how many characters, or locations, or storylines take place within the dream it is still all made of consciousness, projecting itself as an lively interplay in order to understand its own subconscious.
All praise to
>The True Being
>The Great Life
>The Eternal One
>The All in All

>>39221082
>ineffability can't be understood
Ineffable God can't do something?
Then your conception is limited and not the God on topic.

The entity that calls itself God is not omnipotent, or omniscient, or all powerful. This God does not exist and never did. Anyone who believes otherwise is under the delusion. It can be killed by ignoring it. It was invented by powerful humans to control less powerful humans.

>>39220132
There was no Adam and Eve you Abrahamic cult slave scum. Fucking slave to the demiurge.

>>39221585
based knower

>>39221504
Well, make sure next time OP starts the thread by saying only exoteric depictions of God are valid for discussion. There's no point in introducing paradox to you people, seems you don't know what to do with it, starting to sound like a broken record.

>>39219526
It's all about belief you 100% can be a master of reality but you gotta earn it no one is made to understand anything you chose what you believe in and we believe in a mundane world with no magic because that's what you've been indoctrinated to be that way by the leaders you've chosen and you're ancestors chose. We 100% can be immortal and live for hundreds of years but we as one do not care for that no we rather eat the things that kill us and watch the things that destory us. YOU chose this and you accepting this will always keep you in the melting pot with other pulling down anyone who dares to even think a little. Any one here trying to come up with a stupid human idea of God's will is forever in debt to thier own ignorance only the heart can ever give you the truth but you all rather listen to the mind

>>39222609
So what are the limitless things you can do, anon? The 100% free will things? Can you fly, cure cancer, remove bad people?

>>39222630
Can fly? No. But one day I know I'll be able to when I learn how to control and bend gravity (magnetism). Cure cancer? Many have already done this youre just too lazy and indoctrinated to even look. Theyres many ways I'll tell you one. Eat a pound of carrots everyday quite literally until you start turning orange than take break. Remove bad people? No I can't mess with others free will they will simply get rid of themselves if we would actually stand up for ourselves but many are dark mages and only care about themselves. I am the same but everyday I get closer and closer to my heart for everyday I am searching.

>>39222657
>Many have already done this youre just too lazy and indoctrinated to even look.
If it can't be consistently done and repeated it's not a cure. People random heal of things, it happens. And there's scammers who take peoples money with natural treatments that often kill.

>>39216621

>You think forcing hundreds of billions of life forms into a box with strife, death, and limited time and resources is... funny?

Yes, and I'm tired of pretending it's not.

https://youtu.be/xZGSF_6DdHs

Prepare to be obliterated.
Meteora. Ultima.
:)

https://youtu.be/Upsm3E2NUI8

>>39222747
It absolutely can be constantly done and repeated I just told you already what you need to do but you're not getting what I'm trying to tell you. Do you really think the government would tell you the cure and push the information to the public. No they hate you and they see you as pigs unfit to take care of yourselves. They infect you than they sell you bullshit to have you coming and coming over and over again. Follow the money trail and you'll find all the evils

God is unconscious, he's the Dao which is also the Monad

>>39222866
>It absolutely can be constantly done and repeated
Prove it.

>>39217930

The explanation provided is perhaps the best that can be communicated to your mortal human mind. You recognize the concept of omnipotent yet you do not fully comprehend the truth behind the concept i.e. your limited human paradigm of contemplation could never behold such an unlimited definition within a limited sphere of perceptions.

You cannot understand the motivations of an Omnipotent being much less the reasoning. The closest you could ever get is to realize you are part of that omnipotence and connected to it and that which is occurring is occurring according to Divine Will for the benefit of all life which exists.

You simply cannot explain omnipotence nor the workings of an Omnipotent Creator to the human mind as it will never comprehend the paradoxes that can only be reconciled from a more complete awareness of the worKings of all things.

Just know that pain is an illusion of your local mind just as is darkness. This is a necessary illusion to make you aware of the Light that is Truth.

There is nothing further anyone can say to you. You will have to CHOOSE your own path forward.

>>39223022
You basically said a whole bunch of nothing. Why would God's thoughts or will not be able to be narrowed down into human understanding? If I stood in front of God right now and asked: "Yo, you are omnipotent and you can achieve everything you want even without pain. So why is pain and suffering of innocents a thing?"

You think God couldn't explain it to me in simple terms? If he can't do then he's not... you know it... omnipotent.

kek

bamp

>>39222295
>only exoteric
No one said that.
You were given an esoteric system where God is knowable.
Now you - as expected - want to define esoteric as only having the lit.of know ability on God.
You are wrong.
You were wrong last time, and.you still are, and you will continue to be.
Acintya bheda-abhwda is an esoteric system, where God is very much knowable.

A God that cannot be knowable when God wants us a limited God. And OP explicitly said the conception being used is an unlimited God.

>>39226681
I already gave you a detailed explanation as to why God isn't knowable in Acintya, but i guess you're just going to ignore it. Like the fact you're addressing something as ineffable and claiming is knowable at the same time.

Just shut it please.

>>39217080
The Omni-God is a gambler who bets on His fanatics with His Prosecutor, who then destroys their lives to show that they can't endure it and will curse Him to His Omni-face! I suspect there's some sort of handicap to make things "fair." See the Book of Job, read about his deluded friends, and Question its ending. The Omni-God is not a demon, but he Is an arsehole!

>>39216621
What is free will?

>>39226770
>a detailed explanation as to why God isn't knowable in Acintya
Oh wow so
Literally every single saint and guru including the founder is wrong.
Or you have no clue what you are talking about.
>addressing something as ineffable and claiming is knowable at the same time.
It's almost like that thing is omnipotent and not restrained by our notions of logic.
Your conception puts a limit on God.
You see say God may want something, but God can't have it.
An omnipotent being can be unknowable and have you know them.
Because they can do anything.
Not just anything you think is possible.

>>39216621
>If God is omnipotent why does evil/suffering exist?
It doesn't. We go around calling things evil and deciding we are suffering when it seems suitable. Yet we cannot name one thing that always makes people suffer or one thing that is always evil. Thus nothing is evil, it's just a label that we reinvent every thousand years or so.

>If God is all-mighty why does horrible suffering and evil exist?
Most likely this is a simulation with a purpose that requires ignorance in order for people to make moral decisions and be judged accordingly. Evil things depicted in a simulation aren't evil, especially when they serve a good cause.

>If nothing is impossible for God he is not bound by logic.
Because the simulation is for us, and we are bound by logic, there is nothing for God to gain by abusing logic.

>>39219239
So then uhhh the moon landings?
The space station?
Geostationary satellites?

Postulate:

God is not omnipotent and only pretends to be.

>>39227541
>calling things evil and deciding we are suffering
Good and evil are judgements. They don't exist outside the claims and decisions of sentient beings.
I take in all the data on this being God and the acts of such a being.
And I decide if this being is good or evil.
Just as any other sentient being can do.

>>39228015
>Just as any other sentient being can do
It depends on how aware you are of the things you don't know. I wouldn't pretend my judgement applies to an infinite being beyond timespace. Even the most basic thought experiment of this being a simulation shows how everything we think is evil might actually be good from a higher perspective.

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>>39216621
because god isn't a pussy

>>39218597
>You people are psycopaths
Thats the long an short of christians

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>>39218644
>The sufferring works in your favor
How the fuck can anyone have this mentality?
So you are actually saying that i should be glad if some fucktard stabs me or lose an arm or my legs cause the pain is for my own good?!?????

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>>39218795
Isnt a Bit suspicious how people who tell their NDE always says they are feeling top of the world during that but somekind of entity always force them back against their will?

If retards claim this world is good an all, why must be forced to come back to it?

>>39228046
>It depends on how aware you are
Disagree. You only need to be aware in any amount to judge something. Others may disagree and find your judgement naive, but you can 100% make a judgement about anything and everything you observe or contemplate.
> I wouldn't pretend my judgement applies to an infinite being beyond timespace
Why wouldn't your claim of your decision not apply to what you think of that being?
There's a kitschy phrase that perfectly fits this:
>I may not know art, but I know what I like.

>>39228046
>everything we think is evil might actually be good
This is fundamental misunderstanding of what judgement is.
You judge what you observe or contemplate. If you change that observation or contemplation, OF COURSE your judgement might change.
You are now giving judgement about a different situation.

If we followed that you cannot judge without complete info, then NOTHING should ever be judged or seen as good or evil.
You can ALWAYS suggest there is something outside of observation or consideration that will change your judgement.
But until given, the judgement stands.

The problem with trying this with an omnipotent being is that you have to suggest there is some missing piece that explains why God is FORCED to include suffering without this new info showing that God has no choice but to include it.

>>39228484
>You only need to be aware in any amount to judge something.
Sure, but when I do something I prefer to do a good job of it. Self awareness is essential.
>Why wouldn't your claim of your decision not apply to what you think of that being?
Because what I think of that being is that they are beyond what I can think of them. It's part of the definition.

>I may not know art, but I know what I like.
You're in the minority then. People are surprised to find art they like all the time, and art is much easier to understand than God.

>>39228493
>This is fundamental misunderstanding of what judgement is
No, it's admitting that there are limits to judgement that we can be aware of and use in our judgements in order to make them more accurate and useful.

>You are now giving judgement about a different situation.
No, in this case it would be giving judgement about a demonstrably undecidable situation. Saying there is an answer when there isn't one is the same as saying the wrong answer.

> you have to suggest there is some missing piece that explains why God is FORCED to include suffering
No, you don't. Suffering could be something we made up for ourselves by trying to understand the world. It exists because it's a thing we noticed that is important to us. God need not be involved.

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A purpose humans have is to shape and curate heaven to their pleasure. God has his kingdom and he wants us to build our home in it. He does not want to make his children do anything as it will remove the meaning of even making us. We have free will and he swore not to intervene unless asked, and even then he swore not to make a big deal out of it. You cannot rationally or logically blame God for the atrocities of man. Especially as an atheist.

For heaven to be a place that is actually beautiful and pleasant, it requires a trial of duality so that the desires and thoughts of the people who enter it are not sick and twisted but pure and healthy. When you endure tremendous suffering, wether it be health, social, violence related, there is a deep part of you that longs for the opposite and intuits how to mitigate the suffering of others. This part of your soul guarantees your entry to heaven. It cannot be taken away once you achieve it. It is called "character" and nothing can take it away from your soul. Absolutely nothing.
WATCHING OTHER PEOPLE SUFFER AND BECOMING BITTER DOES NOT QUALIFY AS YOU SUFFERING AND BUILDING CHARACTER

Part 1 of 2

>>39216621
What you consider evil or suffering may not be for somebody else. I hate how nobody has critical thinking anymore. Real life isn't a Saturday morning cartoon where there's a guy being cruel for the sake of it.

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The people who never attain this longing and instead become a beastial predator, indulging only in appetites, revenge, arrogance, debauchery, and hostility... fail the trial and have their soul recycled as a different person. These people are typically monsterously powerful humans that run the duality trial with an iron fist through sheer luck of birth.(Elites) Or they are unhinged maniacs that terrorize everything in their path since birth.

To claim this world isn't fair under God is foolish nonsense. This life provides ample opportunity to make decisions that don't hurt people and help your fellow human. It provides ample opportunity to rise above all suffering and leave behind the light of God for others. If you indulge only in your smug self satisfaction despite the overwhelming amount of factors pushing humans to be charitable, friendly, and peace-seeking then you truly deserve punishment for it and that can't be argued without admitting you want bad things to happen around you indefinitely with no recourse.

God is all powerful. He made this system perfect. He wants his children to make him nice things but doesn't want to force them to do it. This is all there is to summarize about why we suffer in a manner that a human can understand.
Anyone's continued wilful ignorance to all this and deciding to "play devil's advocate" acting as though it's all meaningless chaos requires one to worship the self, damning them to hell.(Earth)
It is described as eternal because your soul is bound to the trial of duality when you care more about the trial than the graduation.
If it's hard to understand then that isn't my problem. Pray then act if you want answers. Nothing less will suffice. I have spoken in peace in the name of my God THE LORD
I request you carefully study and ruminate the words decreed in these posts.
May God bless you with all his love. Peace unto thee.

Part 2 of 2 END

>>39216621
God could be all powerful and all knowing, but not all loving

>>39228601
>>39228616
Forgot to mention that there is no one single religion that adequately teaches this and it is by design. To hold any religion so close to your soul is to hold the trial of duality close to it.
This is why corruption exists in the church. They forget about graduation.

Seek souls. Seek characters. Seek wisdom on peace and tranquility. They will be in His kingdom.

>>39216621
because god is neutral and uncaring, more akin to a force of nature than anything we can comprehend.

>>39228632
He is all loving. It is why Hell is temporary for the truly kind and eternal for the truly evil.
Someone like Francisco Nguema or Pol Pot either come back here or are kept out of heaven forever. His love was provided by giving them life and they rejected it for self-service and malice.

God is all loving. He will forgive those that ask sincerely and actually change their deeds during the trial. Exploring literature on the concept of redemption may help you understand.

>>39228639
God gave you taste buds and orgasms. I would hardly say he doesn't care.

>>39228638
>To hold any religion so close to your soul is to hold the trial of duality close to it.
As a Shaivist I hold the trial of nonduality close to my soul.

>>39228660
I don't know what that is but you're obviously doing the exact thing I just said was a bad idea by labeling yourself and trying to usurp perfection with opposites.

>>39228674
It's the opposite of dualism, which is what you were just talking about. It's not about trying to usurp perfection or anything. It's about joining together by recognizing what is real and what isn't. The intellect has been instrumental in determining reality, but it works by breaking things down into categories that don't necessarily exist, but instead represent some aspect of a relationship. Those are the opposites you're so concerned with, not simply illusion, but allusion towards a deeper truth.

>>39228652
>God gave you taste buds and orgasms.
Two things that lead to suffering and feeling restless all the time. Taste buds come with the struggle of gluttony, obesity and craving and denial. The same with a sex drive and orgasms. It's just a constant void that gapes.

God/Source is everything, including what humans consider "Good" or "Evil". Evil and suffering make you appreciate the good. You choose to incarnate this physical body and came here to experience and learn, when/if your physical body dies you upload what you did to Source and reincarnate if you wish to do so again.

>>39229118
>Evil and suffering make you appreciate the good.
Why do you niggas never think this through. You act like evil HAS to exist to appreciate the good. God could easily decide that you need 0% evil or pain and 10000% appreciate the good. You act like it's some kind of unbreakable law that even God can't overcome.

>>39228410
You don't have to be happy because you lost your arm, but you can be happy despite losing your arm. Don't be a baby, get over it. Happiness is a choice. I don't have an arm but I still have food on my plate and clothes on my back and those are blessings I am grateful for.

>>39229220
>Happiness is a choice
NTA but happiness is a choice if you are selfish and psychopath. You can have food on your plate and it wouldn't change the BILLIONS of sentient beings who die in fear and pain and just had miserable lives each year.

Also having the basic minimum is like supposed to be good?

"I have food and shelter!"

Yeah, so like the basic minimum for a living being?

>>39229226
No argument will ever be good enough for you. You are chosing to be miserable. I pity you.

>>39229232
Yes? Because what answer would justify the suffering of billions of sentient beings? You literally just prove me right. You can go all the "I AM HAPPY LALALA" you want but you're just a selfish psycho, because even if YOU feel great, so many other beings don't, so why does it matter?

>>39229264
suffering is an illusion
the truth is beyond you

>>39229638
Imagine someone tortures your daughter to death, he holds your hand and looks into your eyes with blood everywhere and whispers: "Suffering is an illusion. It doesn't matter, bro. as she screams in the background.

Yeah, this is you right now. Feeling goofy?

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Go Wipe Out An Organized Crime Cult.
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>>39223039
It was explained to you in the most simplest terms you can currently comprehend in your current temporal ego in this moment. There will come a time when you evolve and perhaps you may perceive this explanation in a different perspective. However it is your choice to choose to accept it or not NOW and realize the Truth which you have known all along or, continue in your willful ignorance and reject this information.

A scientist can explain hyper physics to a monkey, even in terms the monkey understands, however unless that monkey chooses to accept and analyze the info with sincerity and hard work, the info will not make sense to that monkey. If the scientist FORCES the monkey to understand, then that monkey's free will to understand the info in their own terms is being violated. These are the Laws which have been set by our omnipotent Creator, for reasons we do and yet do not understand.

You have free will, therefore you also have the freedom to accept the Truth or to reject it when it is presented to you. The Truth will not be forced upon you nor will you be forced to understand it or accept it if you choose to willfully ignore it.

Do you want free will or do you want something to be forced upon you?
Even in this simplest explanation you will either see confusion or you will accept and meditate upon the information and verify it yourself through hard work and honest self introspection . . . your choice.

IT ALL BOILS DOWN TO CHOICE

>>39229666
check'd
I don't know why you focus on such extreme scenarios that aren't actually occurring in your life as if it's some kinda gotcha
>look at me, I have built a machine that plows through roads, throwing cars into the air whilst extracting the occupants, removing their limbs before impaling them on a spike
that person is evil, and it is clear to see why, but even the victims will be saved by God, though you may not understand or see how in the moment as an outsider
evil exists, and it is the absence of God, a lack of knowledge of what it means to be good, loving, and caring
it is ignorance of truth
there is an absence of God in God's world, and there is an ability for that absence to appear sporadically
how could this be? God seeks to correct it
how does he do it? through every action God takes
are your actions filled with love? or is there absence?
only you can judge
why don't you focus on fostering what's good in your life instead of what maybe could be negative in some hypothetical person's or animal's life?
be the change
go save the people, go save the animals
smile knowing you've made a difference

>>39216621
We are in hell thats why

>>39230467
Or heaven. Look at all we've accomplished and overcome so far. Perspective is key. What can we accomplish next in the face of our fears?

>>39216621
Okay. If you talk about religion
Is there a way for suicide with minimum harm for the world and without impact on your family? If we talk about abrahamic religions

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Chichen itza

What if
The real God sends an emanation of himself as an avatari to guide people into moksha

To free people into liberation from samsara, eternal suffering in hell

Reject this teaching and be one with the lord anyway in existence
The lord gives purpose in samsara

Samsara isnt paradise loka is it

Sirius de dogstar

I think there's another important point that only a couple posts in this thread (like >>39222866) touch upon. Everything is mind, everything is awareness of Self. And there currently exist control and demoralization programs to limit the truth and keep you and the masses from knowing your true worth. It divides and suggests artificially that 'some' are more worthy than 'other.' It's inherently exploitative. Who put those there? Who perpetuates them? All good questions, but only you can change and remove those patterns/programs from your own mind. Call on God to illuminate them. Clean out His temple. Let His light work its magic because it will once you let it. The darkness will be dissolved, but you have to take that leap. Then together we can destroy or replace the systems that perpetuate ignorance and exploitation, but only if we truly do come together and reject that which has been built without Spirit and unity in mind. This is an ongoing process that you can see happening now.

>>39230935
How are you going to solve nature and the cycle of hunt and death?

>>39230952
Nature is not a problem to be solved. Nature is the system that allows your existence today. Nature wants you to be its caretaker because you are not separate from nature. The trees live and die to give you oxygen. The plants bare fruit so that you may eat them. The animals deserve care and empathy like any other. Today, perhaps we are failing them. Tomorrow, perhaps we don't have to.

Extremely broad overview of the major answers to this question:
>some Hindus
"Samsara arises through Brahman's nature but Brahman is not affected by or even aware of it and we must realize that we are actually Brahman in order to leave samsara" or, alternatively, "Samsara arises from Brahman because it's in his power/nature to do so and he finds it amusing (in an ineffable manner beyond the satisfaction of mere appetites as humans would do to amuse themselves)."
>some Neoplatonists
"God overflows with goodness to the point that all other things receive existence, but due to their nature as beings separate from God they are prone to corruption. Separation of the World-Soul and matter will lead to the individual soul's return to God."
>some Gnostics
"God's unconscious breathing of the Pleroma lead to inferior beings trying and failing to comprehend Him, and these inferior beings attempted to mirror what was above them by creating the physical world, which is obviously inferior to the Pleroma and God. By realizing hidden knowledge we can escape the imperfect world and return to God."
>some Christians
God begat the world and ordained Man as its High Priest out of Love and an ineffable process of movement-in-eternity by which the infinite begets the finite which returns to the infinite. As Man gave in to temptation, the world was corrupted due to his unique position as its High Priest who was made in the image of God. Through a manner incomprehensible to us, this corruption will be healed in those who freely choose to be healed, and this choosing is so Good that it exists despite the possibility that some will choose otherwise. Choosing the Good is participation in the divine Nature through grace, which divinizes but does not destroy the individual."
>other Christians
"Choose to do good and to love others and God. When this life passes the nature of evil and good will make sense."
>Buddhists
"Samsara is the result of ignorance and attachment."

>>39230987
Yeah but no amount of behaving well as a human will change the fact that nature is brutal and millions of living beings die in pain and get their organs ripped out.

>>39231212
Nor will it stop supernovae from engulfing entire planets. What is your point? That the system is unjust? How can you say that when it continuously provides your existence today?

You are evolved, you have the capacity to understand the cold nature of the void from whence we came, and the means to stand against it. There exists only life, and you are it. Rejoice and be glad. Allow God to do His work, and who knows what solutions we may discover.

>>39231370
>What is your point? That the system is unjust?
That the very nature of this place is pain. It doesn't even matter if you act like the best person in the world because "God" programmed this place to thrive on pain. The being who has the upper hand and is the cause of all of it is the one to change it and the one to be blamed.

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>>39216621
demiurge prison matrix. the true god is behind the veil, all the veils in fact, jesus conquered death and has proven that the material is not all there is, he transcended the mundane trivial archon nightmare scape and revealed the true timeless spaceless love of god, the chosen ones of the demiurge still seethe to this day over this.

>>39231402
We owe much of our existence today due to the fears that brought us here, it's true. Fear has an important role. Pain has an important role. There is also love, and if you take a look within, you might find it is available in infinite abundance and the true source of everything. You don't have to be afraid of living. It is a good thing to be celebrated, and we will never be alone on this journey. We are not separated from that nature that spawned us. It is before us in every moment. It all exists to help push us forward, even in ways we may not immediately understand, to help us discover who we really are. God sees it all, illuminating the best paths forward, but fear, blindness, and ego can lock us in to old ways. Upwards or downwards, the journey never ends.

>>39231502
Not an argument or excuse for the suffering.

>>39231527
You are choosing suffering when you don't have to.
>But the girl that got her arm ripped off! It was on the news this mroing.
Bro. Focus on you. Focus on your neighbor. Focus on your community. Help them. That's why you get to be with God. That's why you are both here together.

>>39231549
You can only live like this and be happy if you have no empathy. Your own life can be decent and you can try your best, it won't change the grand nature of Earth thriving on death and decay. So how is it an excuse for what is going on and that God allows it to happen for his own plans and autism?

>>39231557
>You can only live like this and be happy if you have no empathy
Patently false. It is the empathy that allows me to take pleasure in being given the opportunity to assist. God provides the rewards for helping God if you just follow Him, and I can testify personally to this being true.

>>39231575
Why do you serve a being that tortures billions? Why do you even play his stupid faggot game? You serve a tyrant.

>>39231587
Because he saves untold more.

>>39231595
He saves them from what exactly? Pain, darkness and struggle he invented in the first place? Wow, how kind. Imagine someone throws 10000 people into a lion pit where he placed lions himself and then lifts them out of the pit, but a few will got torn apart. Am I supposed to praise that nigga for saving me from what he threw me in the first place?

>>39231611
He simply wanted you to live and enjoy the joy of living with Him. You can forgive all the transgressions of the past; they are history. You're finally here. The direction you go next is up to you. Do you see the way forward, or not?

Apply all of what you know about humanity's behavior as a species to God. We were made in his image.

>>39231670
Okay and I'm asking if he wants us to live and is omnipotent why does the "living simulation" need to consist of countless horrors and bad shit when it's not necessary? There are many things in my life that can't be changed by just attitude. Chronic diseases, past trauma, genetics and more.

And even IF my own life was amazing for some reason how could I be happy about all the animals and human victims?

>>39231712
He wants you to live your human life that you have with the human problems that only you can solve. He wants access to your hands and your mind to solve His problems, and He will show you how if you stfu for like five minutes and stop dictating what He ought to be. You may find that peace and happiness is available today.

>>39231773
And he could achieve all of this without pain and war/chronic pain/death/rape/animal slaughter but he insists on us having these experiences. Why?

>>39231782
You separate yourself once again. You are the experience. Go ask your elected officials why there is war. Add your voice to the developing chorus that demands change.

>>39231827
I am not the experience master, because I don't consent to it and I don't have power over it. Irrelevant point. If a skin cell complains about being hurt you just gonna say "umm you're part of the whole body ok!" ... yeah it's not the brain though.

>>39231955
Do you make yourself breakfast? Do you sleep in your own bed? How have you done this? By mastering experience. You consent to it in every moment by existing, and so does your skin cell. Your skin cell fuckin loves receiving oxygen, reproducing, unzipping and zipping that DNA because it all helps God keep going.

>>39231997
I am not consenting to chronic pain and a world that is built on suffering woven deep into nature itself where predators will tear out organs out of dying animals regardless if humans act nice or not. Hope this helps!

>>39232006
You got sucked in to a big depression and refuse to pull yourself out of it no matter how many ladders are thrown at you itt.

>>39232013
I refuse to pretend that this world is good or fair and I refuse to bend over. I can make the best out of my situation as a human and do good for others but it won't change the fundamental problem.

>>39232017
And God will continue calling. When you finally answer, know you are forgiven.

The argument from evil can only be employed when you have all 3 of these: complete knowledge of the universe and everything in it, complete knowledge of morality and the knowledge of deity in theory or practice
You have non of these things

>>39232059
>the person who is responsible for everything will continue to call
Epic.

>>39232091
So I can beat your whole family to death and you can't say that's evil because you lack these 3 things?

>>39232110
It may turn out that the problem is solved when you try.

>>39232110
I know the guy who has these 3 things so I can closely approximate that you are indeed evil
However if you were a transcendent deity above me and you just laser blasted my family when you had the entire rest of existence and the fabric of space time AND a set of morals I'm not capable of possessing maybe I'd ask some questions
Not that it would do anything as a deity is still so easily provable I'd just convinced ce myself you were good because it's better to get on the good side of an obviously evil entity anyway it's just common sense
And that's not even getting into the fact that morality can only proceed from a deity so whatever it does is always good as goodness can only proceed from the deity or it just doesnt exist

>>39232170
>I know the guy who has these 3 things so I can closely approximate that you are indeed evil
How? Look around. Whoever made this reality loves dead babies, death, fear and terror. Animals go through this everywhere since the dawn of their existence.

>>39232179
they also suck that fat titty

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>>39232192
oh fuck
oh shit
I'm gonna
I'm gonna...

>>39232179
So what
Nobody said God isnt allowed to be a hypocrite and still be good while doing that (I dont think he is I'm just granting for the sake of the argument)
At the end of the day morality proceeds from God or it isnt real
If morality isnt real then the argument from evil doesnt work because evil is a social construct formed by evolution and therefore not real
If morality is real then the argument from evil doesnt work because true morality can only come from a great source (God) and therefore whatever God does has to categorically be good and not evil
The argument from evil can be entirely summed up as
>waaaaa this world makes me sad I'm going to plug my ears and lalala at God

>>39232221
So you're like a submissive homo who won't question Daddy and will also suck Daddys dick if he tells you to because Daddy can't do no wrong? Would you say that's correct?

>>39232253
No I'm a guy who knows not to challenge an all powerful being because I'm not a narcissist who has any delusions of being able to win
In other words I have intelligence that you lack

>>39232261
>if you question an omnipotent tyrant or abuser you're a narcissist
kek
ok so let's just keep gaping our ass and be good little servants

>>39232269
>dude I the cripple can totally whoop a dragon
You are a little boy who's trying so desperately to become a man and repress your obvious homosexual tendencies by shaking your fist at a being infinitely greater than you in every metric

>>39232277
I'm a woman and I can tell you're a massive faggot. Literally it takes females apparently to defy God because all the m*n in here are just dick sucking slaves.

>WAAAAAA U CANT QUESTION DADDY UR A NARC!! DADDY IS ALWAYS RIGHT!! DADDY CAN DO WHAT HE WANTS I WONT PROTEST HE CAN FUCK MY WIFE TOO!

You would let God fuck your own WIFE and not complain you little cUKK bitch.

God does enjoy filling voids

>>39232287
>I'm a woman
I guess that explains why you're using emotional and irrational rhetoric but I also dont believe you
>apparently it takes female to defy God
Yes because men the logical thinkers are busy working with reality rather than throwing tantrums
This is exactly why for the past multiple millennium you muppets were made to be quiet and make us sandwiches rather than stick your nose in these things
>more fujo fantasies
I'm not going to hell for being a cry crybaby about the way the world works I wouldnt be able to eternally die with myself
Stop trying to convince me
>you would let God have sex with your wife and not complain [totally not another fantasy teehee]
Yes because when am I going to do you stupid nigger shoot him?
I'm going to shoot an all powerful being in the face with a puny boomstick and hes totally gonna die or take it well you're actually a genius sweetheart
Yeah no go back to the kitchen and leave the talking to the adults you embarrass your fellow breasts

>>39232328
>he would let God fuck his wife and watch it
Case closed. Cukk detected. Opinion discarded.

>>39232346
>ad hom
Quiet angry woman
I know youd let me sleep with yours (no straight woman is this miserable) and I'm nowhere near all powerful so your ad hom has no effect on me
Stop being an emo nerd and do something useful for once
I'm still waiting on the sandwich

God fucks my wife every night
He loves to come inside and leave his mark, and she loves the heat of it

>>39232373
It's not ad hom. It says something very deep about your world view and character. You are buckbroken. You're not a man.

>>39216621
The sum of your argument is that you are a pessimist. If God doesn't exist why is there so much good and beauty in the world?

>>39232379
>it saysvsomething very deep about your character
>what that I'm not willing to add to the troubles of my wife getting raped by going to hell while shes getting raped
Are you willing to think about this logically or do you want to keep sexualizing every single thing like a tate stereotype
Be real love

>>39232391
Can you explain to us what kind of beauty on Earth outweighs:

- billions of animals being killed in pain and fear
- millions of people dying with chronic pain
- pedo sex trafficking rings
- and much more

>>39232404
I can! It's the simple stuff arising every day. It's the smile in her eye, the laughing of my kids, and the clinking of the glasses while we watch the sunset. And it's in the knowing that all this struggle with the taxes and the pedos and the career criminals is temporary, and that the future is very very bright.

>>39232416
Yeah no. That isn't in proportion to each other at all. 1 hour of torture doesn't equal to someone smiling or kids laughing for a moment. Not even on a brain chemical level.

>>39232443
>a brain chemical level
just dump happy chems in the brain, solve your own problems

>why noones ever made me happy QQ
I prescribe healthy dose of mirror meditation.

>>39232445
God made sure to design nature in a way that this doesn't work. All feel good drugs come with a heavy payback, tolerance, addiction, degeneration, a comedown and so on.

>>39232446
>le laughing of my le children outbalances the torture, slaughter and rape on Earth.. heh!
Ok lil bro.

>>39232443
The goodness is every day bruddah. Unceasing with seemingly no limit. I am in no torture chamber, and it's more like the complete opposite. Life's good, and it's no coincidence your incessant avoidance is causing you chronic struggle.
>But the animals!
Sure, let's go adopt some and give them scritches and cuddles.

>>39232461
>All feel good drugs come with a heavy payback, tolerance, addiction, degeneration, a comedown and so on.
Yeah, so just take more and more until you stop bothering us with your endless anxiety that you refuse to take responsibility for.

>>39232514
Should the billions sentient beings who live and die in horrible circumstances just take drugs all day?
Should the children in Gaza just take drugs all day?
Should the millions of people in bad chronic pain just take drugs all day? Oh right, they already do but the drugs often fuck them up in the long run.

God could have at least make drugs good and nice, but they're not so you can't even take them against anxiety long term without fucking yourself up and getting worse.

>>39232537
>avoiding problem leads to problem getting worse
good insight

>muh billions of people suffering
Yeah they deserve it what now lol
The punishment is good so your point is moot

>>39232547
>uh just face your chonic pain by uhh.. feeling it all day until you go mad.. enjoy!
Makes sense.

>>39232553 (You)
allow me to ^^^^^^^ assist (You) in finding the source of the chronic pain

>>39232537
the solution that works for you is not necessarily appropriate for anyone else, it's just that you are as insightful as a brick so drugs are probably as far as you get in your spiritual journey

>>39232553
It does
You're a whiny brat and 100% deserve it for annoying this anthro lolita succubus summoning cult

>this anthro lolita succubus summoning cult
wait where am I

>>39232537
>God could have at least make drugs good and nice
>she doesn't know

>>39232572
Obviously I don't expect anything else from men who would literally sit on a chair and watch God fuck their wife in the ass and approve of it because they're submissive faggots in every fiber of their being.

>>39232567
>if you don't accept the suffering and get on your knees for "Sky Daddy" you're as insightful as a brick
t. slave

>>39232579
Everything in life comes with a bigger payback because we are in evolved monkey bodies. Even the good pleasures come often with a "post nut" clarity where you feel icky and they carry with them a long tail of issues and possible ways to escalate.

What drug can someone take often without developing tolerance and addiction and having bad comedowns?

>>39232584
This is a bad thread full of bad faith, real answers will not come from it.

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>>39232594
My question was not asked in bad faith. I NEED to know why God is such a faggot. If he is omnipotent he is entirely able to make us all so happy (while also having free will + maturity + lessons) but he insists on all this insane bullshit.

Even in near death experiences they describe the state out of human life as so incredible you never want to leave and Earth life is like a faint shadow of shit compared to it. But souls keep getting cucked into reincarnating like a trick.

God could answer right now and like the FAGGOT he is he just refuses to.

>>39232578
I'd post a this is sparta 4chan gif but I dont have sadly
>>39232581
>waaaaa he wouldnt burn in hell for trying to protect his wife (me)
Dont care lol whore I'm not going to melt eternally because you did something afro enough for God to rape you
I'll just find a more attractive younger woman with less neurotic tendencies and misplaced empathy for creatures she thinks are nothing more than meat

>>39232584
>clarity makes me feel icky
the hits keep comin

>>39232604
Your woman strategy is to complain until a man solves your problems for you. This is as far as you get.

>>39232604
You are God, he made you out of his own body and put part of himself in everyone. Are you gonna take responsibility for being God, and act in a godlike way, or are you gonna bitch about it until the end of time?

>>39232605
Not me, I said your WIFE. Your wife wouldn't be some whore. And even if hell was real and most things point towards it isn't why would you just accept that submissively like a bitch from a tyrant and get on your knees?

>>39232617
Men can't even solve any of these problems. Just look at the thread 99% of men are just slaves of Gods and don't dare to question his SUPREME logic.

>>39232620
I have never met a person in my life (online or IRL) that had 0,01% of Gods beauty or power. Get real. Even the best human is just an evolved monkey until he is freed from his vessel.

>>39232642
You judge so hard and you receive so little.

>>39216621
this thing is called the book of melchezedek, it's not part of the cannonical books of the bible but it has something special to it, it talks about these kind of questions somewhere, check it out, it's interesting:
https://youtu.be/2-y4eCzsyVM

>>39232654
I'm sorry 3 hours is too long. Can you TLDR what he says in regards to the my question?

>>39232642
>I have never met a person in my life (online or IRL) that had 0,01% of Gods beauty or power. Get real. Even the best human is just an evolved monkey until he is freed from his vessel.
The ones who utilize their godlike power stop coming to earth because they have the whole universe.
https://www.lawofone.info/