There is no demiurge or trap system. There is nowhere to escape to. The world is a divine play of the godhead.https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lila_(Hinduism)You can return to the godhead once the Lila ends. You seeking to escape sabotages your life when you are better off participating in the Lila like God (Vishnu) wants you to. The Gnostics ruined the world with their life negating poison. Also there is no samsara only the Lila. You are not "trapped".
>>39228799yeah man sorry, too focused on trying to stop these apes from destroying the planet. ttyl.
>>39228799>purple>light blue>dark blue>pink>red>green>pea green>yellow>orangethis fucking bothers me it should be PURPLEBLUEGREENYELLOWRED
I won't take anything Hindus say seriously until they learn to use toilets.
this is basically advaita so i like what you have to say here
>There is no demiurge or trap system. There is nowhere to escape toExactly what an agent of demiurge would say…
>>39229179Reminds me of the whole earth-water-wind-fire thing.The zodiacs can't be just one, but they're listed as such.Leo's very grounded as well as firey, and Sagittarius is too fleeting to not be wind even though it's firey too.The categorisation just feels a little incomplete to me, or lacking in detail.
>>39229280Dude just wait until you have an experience with the godhead. You'll see that God was always with us.
>>39228799Sorry, I'm not having fun so I'm just going to continue trying to escape and summon Shiva to destroy the world.>b-but some of us are having fun so you just need to suck it up and take itNah, nope. Sorry. If Vishnu wants me to stop trying to get out then maybe he should stop keeping me in this pain-filled mechanistic torture box of a life.The attempts to escape will continue until morale improves, and morale will only improve when the beatings stop.
>>39229602We're in the Kali Yuga that's why. And the antinomian (((Gnostics))) like the Sabbatean Frankists and tikkun olam jews have ruined the divine play with their evil.
>>39229602>>39229675You can't completely escape the play but you can go to a more positive timeline.
>>39228799Mr Bones Wild Ride: I want off!
>>39228799If I'm not trapped then why can't I leave?>there's nowhere to goThen I'm trapped.>but you can experience oneness with god!Then my distinctness ceases to exist or be relevant and I'm effectively dead.
>>39229675Since when are Sabbatean Frankists and "tikkun olam jews" considered to be Gnostics?
>>39228799Fundamentally its about being forced to live out a sometimes extremely painful existence
>>39229728>Then I'm trapped.Just go to a more positive timeline.Oneness with God doesn't mean complete dissolution of individuality. Your soul is like an arm of the godhead it still has an individual mind and purpose. Oneness with God complements mortal life it doesn't negate it in the slightest.There's so many lies about what reality is because of the jews infiltrating religions and starting new watered down ones like Buddhism to confound the goyim.
>>39229745>Since when are Sabbatean Frankists Picrel.>and "tikkun olam jews" considered to be Gnostics?tikkun olam is about "repairing the world" by destroying all duality by forcing all polarities together through race mixing, gender destruction (through sodomy and trannies) and erasing national identities etc. They do this by pushing wokeism with body type A and B character options and forced diversity in entertainment to get the goyim to stop identifying with gender and race. And they also abuse children I think to get their souls to stop attaching to comfort and goodness/innocence.
>>39229758Neither of those descriptions are especially Gnostic that I can see?>Gnosticism: a prominent heretical movement of the 2nd-century Christian Church, partly of pre-Christian origin. Gnostic doctrine taught that the world was created and ruled by a lesser divinity, the demiurge, and that Christ was an emissary of the remote supreme divine being, esoteric knowledge (gnosis) of whom enabled the redemption of the human spirit.
>>39229777They believe the world is evil though and needs to be fixed.
>>39229781Generic Christianity believes that too.
Buddhism is a corruption of Hinduism and a demoralization op.
>>39229798Not really. Christians believe that the world is good because it was created by God but sin ruined the world. Antinomian gnostics like Sabbateans and tikkun olam jews believe the world sprung into existence inherently flawed.
>>39229781Stop calling them gnostics. There aren't enough similarities to justify that and I haven't been able to find anyone else who does say that."Tikkun Olam" is usually translated as "repairing the world" which sort of implies that the world started out okay and then got broken, doesn't it?Meanwhile for Sabbatean Frankism it's hard to find much about them with a cursory search other than that they advocate breaking all laws, but for Sabbateans (without the Frankism part) apparently they considered faith to be key salvation which is decidedly not Gnostic, since Gnostics consider knowledge to be the key to salvation.>Two distinctive developments of the Sabbatean doctrine could have expedited the movement’s egalitarian tendency that enabled the women within its ranks to emerge as full-fledged protagonists. One was the substitution of the framework of halakhic obligations, meticulous compliance with which had always been the key to personal salvation, by the newly promoted value of absolute faith, which alone could now secure the individual’s entitlement to salvation. Faith in the person of Shabbetai Zevi was said to be capable of eradicating the sins of even the most persistent of halakhic offenders, while conversely, the slightest doubt in his messianic stature was enough to render the most pious individual a condemned sinner
>>39228799WAIT WHAT?The Demi Urge is part of Bhudduism now too???
>>39229858>"Tikkun Olam" is usually translated as "repairing the world" Which again is translated into "forcing sociopathic jewish fantasies upon the earth and it's inhabitants"Me, I prefer Chicken Tikka. Chicken Tikka isn't a demonic subversive force.
>>39229858Read this link. It's well worth a full read.https://www.gnosisforall.com/about-13
>>39229893>gnosisforall.comNo thanks.
>>39229865No. Learn reading comprehension. The Buddhist idea of anatta, no god and samsara are wrong. As is the idea of committing spiritual suicide. And the Gnostic concepts of a demiurge that created the world for malicious reasons and that there is somewhere "better" to escape to are false.
>>39229906Yeah, so two counts of bullshit.
>>39229800Buddhism refuses to take a stand on the question of whether there exists a self in the ultimate sense or not because, as I understand it, the Buddha was pragmatic and viewed metaphysical speculations as potential objects of clinging which could prevent further progress on the path. What Buddhism does say is that for any conditioned phenomenon or cognizable concept, there is no self to be found in it.
>>39229893Okay, so your link says that Gnostics and Kabbalists have a lot in common but also a few differences, such as Kabbalists having a more positive view of materiality and its redeemability as well as a more positive view of God in that they seem to lack the Demiurge concept.So it sounds like "Tikkun Olam Jews" are most accurately described as Kabbalists, not Gnostics. And that doesn't disagree with what I said.But for Sabbatean Frankists.... I'm still not seeing any connection anywhere.
This is one planet of zillions with life. Your concept of things is bullshit and incomplete. Please go fuck yourself because you certainly don't have the answers or the truth.
>>39229708Chichen itzaWhat ifThe real God sends an emanation of himself as an avatari to guide people into mokshaTo free people into liberation from samsara, eternal suffering in hellReject this teaching and be one with the lord anyway in existenceThe lord gives purpose in samsaraSamsara isnt paradise loka is itSirius de dogstar
>>39228799>You can return to the godhead once the Lila ends.Cool, but when does that happen? I don't want to wait 294629 billion years
>>39231744Once you wake up and/or die it ends for you personally until the next life. You'll get some nice rest.
>>39229781>>39229798In reality they (christians and buddhists) believe world is suffering. Christians put their hopes in the afterlife and buddhists want to extinguish life here and now. Both are anti-life cucks.
>>39228799>once the Lila endsGod's play and enjoyment is eternal.
>>39229958>What Buddhism does say is that for any conditioned phenomenon or cognizable concept, there is no self to be found in it.And that's stupid. It's like trying to find yourself and saying>Well I went all around town but everyone I met wasnt me. Guess I'm not here.
>>39232231Well, what I was trying to emphasize was that they *don't* conclude "Guess I'm not here" based on that. It's just that they don't seem to conclude "I am here" either, and I gave what I suspect is the reason for that.However it's possible that my understanding of this topic isn't perfect. While researching it to get a better understanding just now, I came across this document: https://www.accesstoinsight.org/lib/authors/thanissaro/selvesnotself.pdfWhich I haven't read much of yet but which seems very promising, so I thought I'd share it before the thread died in lieu of trying to further elaborate on my own potentially imperfect understanding.
>>39230460isn't moksha the looping trap?
>>39228799Checked anon but Gnosticism, Buddhism, and Stoicism seem to be the only systems that are not based in some sort of just world delusion and acknowledge how shitty this place is. I am honestly not very tied to any of them but as this anon said>>39229602 until things get better my attempts to escape will continue. And why do you care if I waste my time trying to escape? It doesn't effect you, or does it?
>>39228799>>39229602get fucked yallworld is real , all plane's are meshed together , yall's lifes are bad cuz you are retarded cuck which were ordained to be punished by the divine law of karma as laid down by lord shiva>t.bhattji(bhardwaj gotra)
>>39234515When the divine law of karma starts working on the Hollywood pedos I will believe you (and not just one or two b-listers that were allowed to get caught to appease the masses).
>>39234557>Goes back to earth to absolve bad karma. Gets bad karma when he's there.
>>39234179No, moksha is pretty much synonymous with enlightenment/gnosis/kundalini awakening/silent knowledge/etc.
>>39234803>Agree to help a rapist absolve bad karma by raping him in his next life. Gets bad karma and needs to be raped.
I find the play argument to be absurd because if it's just Lila or divine play then why are Advaitans sick of his play and games and want to escape? This sounds like Gnosticism with the Demiurge.If Brahman is just playing then liberation has no meaning and It all becomes pointless.
Advaita fails when it comes to the question of creation or Maya.This is a 7 minute cope by Sarvapriyananda which says nothing at all.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aeio2MFThZg>The question doesn't matter after enlightenmentLMAO. They have no answer. They are just too proud to say it.>inb4 it's Brahman's nature to project Maya without a need for a causeThen what the guarantee that you will remain in eternal bliss after liberation and not get projected again into Samsara by the effortless Maya?Some say that it's Lila (divine play) but that's absurd because it would imply boredom or need for a stimulus.If God is whole then what's the need for the universe?ABSOLUTELY NO ONE IN HINDUISM HAS AN ANSWER!Which is why I honestly think that they don't have the complete truth.Heidegger considered the question "Why does the universe exist?” to be the “fundamental problem of metaphysics”".He's absolutely right and Advaita doesn't provide answers whatsoever.
Advaitins just say ''yeah there's samsara but there is also Brahman which is totally real, and since I delude myself Brahman cant be deluded, I guess Brahman isnt fooled by samsara, that makes sens right guys???''Incorrect, that’s not what they say. Advaitins dont say the Atman-Brahman deludes itself, they say the human mind and brain, which are not the Atman-Brahman, are what is generated and effected by by its power.>in other words, 0% explanation, 100% seething cope.You didn’t describe their position correctly, their actual position *is* an explanation that posits Brahman as the final basis of samsara but without any additional psychological motive and says its just Brahman’s nature to do so effortlessly and without any will or thought involved, and without being affected by it.>The bliss thru lila thing is an even bigger cringy coping mechanism lol: '' huh there's samsara, but huh there's also Brahman , so I guess samsara is just prank, right, that makes sens right????"As opposed to Buddhism where the random unintelligent void pranks you for no reason??!! Brahman doing so as part of a manifestation of his joy is not the same thing as setting out to prank someone.>And the last one with muh freedom is jsut saying ''yeah i accept there's samsara, but huh there is also Brahman, so I guess he willed samsara too, right??"Im not sure, its a perspective which is not something Ive studied well and only know a little about
>>39234557>When the divine law of karma starts working on the Hollywood pedos I will believe youIt's the law of karma that allows them to live a life of exploitation without consequence. you are seeing the top of the wheel, not understanding how the bottom got there, or where it will go after.
>>39235067>If God is whole then what's the need for the universe?God is whole WITH the universe.Not all Vedanta is Advaita.
I agree that thinking you're trapped or that there is somewhere to escape to is ultimately false, the idea even keeps you trapped. Trying to rationalize what was experienced is another trick which happens if you've been it and returned to the game. Yeah, we are free right now but unless we are Brahman as Brahman in Brahman, there's the illusion that the seer, seeing and seen are not Brahman and so the game goes. The Gnostic and Buddhist paths come to the same underlying truth. The truth is whatever it is regardless of semantics.t. my ass
>>39229296gnostics literally believe this retarddivine beings in a flawed corrupt world
>>39235431Oh yes because next life there will be consequences for sure. Trust me bro the wheel is there.
>>39229708I want to worship and obey her feet, toes and soles.
>>39237285This cycle of manifestation and unmanifestation began from zero, vibrated into all these events, and will return to zero.That it doesnt have perfect symmetry in one life is irrelevant.You are trying to disprove entropy by pointing out that the Earth warmed up this morning.
>>39228799Interesting perspective, but since you’re bringing up Hinduism with its concept of Lila, the Divine Play of God (whether conceived of or named as Krishna, Vishnu, Shiva, Brahman, Parabrahman, and so on…), it’s also worth noting that Hinduism also has a similar concept as the Buddhist “Samsara” and the Gnostics’ contention that this material earthbound reality is like a trap or prison for the spirit. It’s analogous to their concept of Maya (Illusion); namely, that ordinary reality, or ordinary reality as we ordinarily perceive and conceive of it, is illusory and to be transcended. Of course, they also have their cosmology of a chain of nigh-endless transmigrations for the average soul, to be transcended through Moksha which in Vedanta is also expressed as reunion with Brahman, or realization of the union with Brahman that was already eternally true, but your distraction from which caused your soul to be enamored of earthly pleasures and want to keep on reincarnating on this Earth after every life. Where I think the beautiful concept of the Lila or Divine Play of Brahman is relevant, is that it gives at least a bit of a “Why” for the creation, existence, and maintenance of the universe and all the souls in it, along with the periodical seeming destruction of various parts and entities of it. All for divine joy and as God’s loving game of creation. Potentially very unsatisfying answer if you yourself are dissatisfied with your life, I know.Despite how controversial Aleister Crowley is, he was a sharp mind and a huge student of the world’s numerous spiritual, occult, and mystical systems, and I think he struck on something like genius at times, like with this quote:>I am divided for love's sake, for the chance of union.I think something like eros (the generative loving force, even expressed as sex) is behind the universe. Orgasmic potency. Dante also said it:>L'amor che move il sole e l'altre stelle
>>39238251Very flowery but I have as much reason to believe in after death judgement as I do that my next life's circumstances will be effect by good/bad deeds in this one. If you can't demonstrate Karma on a small scale (within one lifetime) then I have no reason to believe in it on a larger scale (unless you can definitely prove poor people were bad people in a past life or something). It seems far far more likely that Earth is a prison ruled by psychopaths. If there is any justice to it, it is that the psychos will never escape like I will.
>>39238902>after death judgementNo one said anything about death or judgement.You are making a whole lot of assumptions.
>>39229865actually kinda yes>https://www.accesstoinsight.org/tipitaka/mn/mn.049.than.html
>>39229206Doesn't this more closely fit Vishishtadvaita?
>>39228799Yes anon 4 people ruined the world for billions, it wasnt the world being fucked
>>39238411initiated post. eros is fire of the pillar. the burning sea.
>>39234515>parshuramyou need to read your Chatterji
>>39235070If samsara is a prank then every atman is both the pranker becomes the victim of another atman's prank. Then who the fuck benefits? It's just an endless cycle of torturing others and being tortured yourself. Nobody profits so why would it be like this.
