If you believe in the principles of freedom and liberty over authoritarianism and tyranny, you are automatically a Luciferian. It doesn't matter what you "say" you are.
>>39248927Illicit conversion fallacy
bro, that's Mithras.
>>39248927Nope your wrong
>>39248927not a bit of it. first of all, Lucifer, whom you are implying to be a certain character of Milton's invention based on mistranslations of a jewish political tract / account of some visions, is in fact a Roman deity who shares none of your antihero's traits. He has a brother, a mother, a father (could be one of any of a number of guys, Aurora got around...) and two sons. He is the god of the light reflecting off the planet Venus in the early morning. Yes, the Romans got very specific with these things. It's very important. Lucifer takes the morning shift, Vesper takes the evening shift. He has no myth, only biographical details. He never fell, he never rebelled, he never tempted anybody, and he never worked for Jehovah. He's just a dude you can look up at shortly before sunrise every morning. That's it, that's all.P.S. he is ///not/// Venus, a female major goddess with lots of myths who rules the entire planet of the same name no matter what time of day or night it happens to be. Lucifer (a minor god, suck it "luciferians") is predawn visibility period ////only////
>>39248927Huh? Why?
>>39248927That doesn't help the case of why we should worship Christ or Yahweh especially since the fated apocalypse hasn't come in 2000 years.
>>39248927fuck off
>>39248927According to definition but I would also say that you're not much of a Luciferian if you're trying to force arbitrary terminology on people.
>>39248927>if you are [something], than you are [abrakike label]No. I refuse abracuckery. Existence doesn't revolve around jews and their pantheon.
Innit just a metaphor for "rebellion" in general? Did Christians just make up a windmill to tilt at?
>>39248982This. Imagine getting angry at a sock puppet, or developing an identity around one.
>>39248927I don't know or care who you are (and you're wrong)But OP is ALWAYS a faggot, no exceptions.Stop drinking cum.
>>39248927nice opinion anon
>>39248927bad take, but what else would satan say anyway? the truth is that outside of Christ we are slave to sin death and the devil. God sets us from all that, gifting us a new nature which loves goodness. Thats the most free we can be and the Law is no burden. There is no supposed neutral position where you are free from either of these two states.
>>39250417>There is no supposed neutral position where you are free from either of these two states.Because you don't believe there is, because your dogmatic religion says there isn't.
>>39248927>If you believe in the principles of freedom and libertyWell, I don't.I'm not an impulse-driven animal, with the intellect to match, to fall for such a blatant subversive kike deception.
>>39248927>If you believe in the principles of freedom and libertyThe problem being, all of you assume you understand what it means to be free and have liberty. With your mentality, anyone can be Luciferian - just another cool edgy club for kids. What disciplines do you undertake? What self sacrifices do you make in order to strengthen the ties between you and your belief system? Luciferianism is just the default club because it's easy to join - it's a giant cult of serpents and that's not inherently bad, and it is rife with both hubris and general intellectualism. Its collective is as broad as the American demographic.. so there's no central idea behind what it really means besides NOT being mainstream. Get over yourself man.
>>39248927>the principles of tyrannyconfirmed midwit
Claims Ive heard about Lucifer:Lucifer is SatanLucifer is ChristLucifer is who jews worshipLucifereans are disembodied spirits who disagree with humans reincarnating on earthI have read so many conflicting opinions about these gods that I no longer care.
>>39250417>the truth is that outside of Christ we are slave to sin death and the devilChristians die like anyone else.
>>39251186It's literally an astrological event mythologized. Imagine an event in history where all of a sudden, the masses started to wake up and question their reality - that's the arrival of Lucifer. Forget the dogma.
>>39251186I.e. that's why they say the energy of Lucifer is such a big deal and why a huge spectacle occurs everytime the energy comes around. All nations and cultures have their own name for it and all their general descriptions are correct one way or another.It affects everyone regardless of faith or belief system, and that's why it's a big deal in the esoteric world. Its not a person. Its not people. Its an ancient force.
>>39250417Dear Christcuck! "We already know all about your gullibility and your hunched-brained religious sect. Your preachers are firmly for Trump, and when your secular Messiah screws up royally and he has already and hasn't even started his 2nd term yet, then just maybe you Evangelicals will dry up and be blown away by the resulting hurricane! You've rejected the Law, so you have no clue about what morality and ethics are, so you have none! You just obey orders. Because you've fallen head-over-heels for a conman, shyster, and felon, your Anti-Christ, if he ever does appear, will totally PWN you!
>>39249181McAfee preferred meth and Synthetic Cathinones
>>39251238Lucifer seems to be a representation of a rebel god who brings about a new order.Similar to prometheus. Its funny to me bc...Christians speak of Apotheosis, but then they claim self deification is of the devil...so...I suspect they are innately confused.>Rudolf Steiner's writings, which formed the basis for Anthroposophy, characterised Lucifer as a spiritual opposite to Ahriman, with Christ between the two forces, mediating a balanced path for humanity. Lucifer represents an intellectual, imaginative, delusional, otherworldly force which might be associated with visions, subjectivity, psychosis and fantasy. He associated Lucifer with the religious/philosophical cultures of Egypt, Rome and GreeceI do like this take on it, although desu I have rejected Abrahamism entirely in an antipascals wager sense bc the whole thing seems like a samsara trap. Ive shifted towards Buddhism.
>>39248927I do believe in authoritarianism with nuance. The leader must be good and perfect. He must be flawless. He always does the most effective thing. He is right even in Job scenarios.The principalities? Well that is more nuanced. They have God given authority from Jesus, the prime and most authoritative principality. When he disagrees with the other principalities. When the principalities are in line I do not resist them. It is not place. When they are out of line I ask Jesus to to do his will not mine. Give to ceaser what is ceasers. Egalitarianism is humanism and cannot save, but it is more forgiving and has different attributes than the older system. It solves some problems and causes others. Entitlement(pride and a false sense of security(delusion) for one.Not such a bad idea op. It is true in a legal sense just like Satan says, just not in a practical or heart one. Unrighteousness is still what it is. Rightousness is still what it is. But it is simply the age we are in. If you don't have the authority or access to the one with authority, it doesn't matter how rightous your ideals appear. You lack information.Ps. Most if not all principalities are corrupt. They however are older and more advanced than humans. To criticize or slander them without proper understanding is a grave error. Jesus allows them in power in the first place. Even Michael did not rail against Satan.
>>39251209>>39251238>>39251506this is more dogma thonobody but steiner ever experienced this
>>39251529This is why I absolutely reject Christianity as it is obviously designed to program slaves to serve psychopathic world leaders.>be christian retard slave faggot >think your stupid god is omnipotent>also your god put satan in charge of the earth>durrr durr must respect government and laws!You got tricked, you worship Satan.
>>39251552Ive read so much about religions, god, angels, demons, the occult, magic, that I consider it all to be obviously fake and gay and subject to human opinions. Anyone who believes otherwise hasnt read enough. Like, the Bible itself was written by Greco-Jews who ripped off and redacted Canaanite myths from earlier civilizations. The OT is obviously a fucking myth.
>>39251506You are the fingernail. God is the hand. You are not the hand but a part of the hand. It can be cut off and it would hurt, but ultimately the fingernail is replaceable. It is also innately not attached, but it is aware it was attached at one point. It has to be grafted in. John 17 clarified
>>39251555Like i said. They are in charge but evil. We are to conquer their territory(people). But don't disrespect an enemy king. If the laws are against morals don't follow them.
>>39248927In essence, I agree.And this realm of samsara is where souls that want to be "free" (separate) from God and "liberated" (in control of everything else).And when this impulse is exhausted, there are many ways to return to Godhead.But the realm of God - to anyone who still is rebellious and Luciferian - will sound terrible.So God gave us this material realm to play around in.How do you like it so far?
If you've ever loved animation with talking animals in it, that automatically makes you a furry
>>39251555Btw I think trump and Elon are working for the antichrist.Red vs blue hegelian dialectic resulting in synthesis. Bad globalism(satanic) is traded out for good globalism(luciferian/antichrist). The old system is demonized in order to bring about a "utopia" just another type of dystopia civilization. This is all in the name of identity for humans.(to the humans) when they could have just found identity in God. Politics is a win lose situation. They always win and you always lose. The alternative is a lose lose situation in which the people rebel. The people lose more however. Things will change and the stage is already set. In terms of the direction of the world, there is no change. The only change possible is yourself and those in your circle of influence. Seek Christ and relinquish your own desires for his, then he will fulfill all of your desires.(which must be in line with his)
>>39251640Oh and sorry if it wasn't obvious. Biden is puppet and also bad. Just a different type of bad. It is the macabre theatre!
>>39248927Oh, the Christcuck loves his Führer! He begs to be dominated, and he wants to be owned. He hates the freedom of others to choose their own Path. He promises "Free Will, but damns the people who use it. Christcucks have used governments to gain a monopoly on religious thought through their violence. The OT highlights that violence, and so does History. To them, the concept of Freedom of Religion only applies to themselves and to no one else.
>>39251656All fun banter. You are free to choose, but every choice has consequence. Look at the fruit of your own efforts and you will see the truth. I empathize with American ideals, but I see past them. They are childish and a form of godliness that denies the power therof.
>>39251656Yes. It will be the Christian nationalists and postmelianial fanatics who serve the antichrist. But only some Christians will fall for it. They will persecute those who are truly in the kingdom in the name of manifesting the kingdom.
>>39251640>Btw I think trump and Elon are working for the antichristGood. Its said the Antichrist will destroy Israel. That makes him a good guy.
>>39251640>Seek Christ and relinquish your own desires for his.I am Jesus Christ. Do everything I tell you. Relinquish all of your desires to me. Give me all your money.
>>39251704No thanks bro.
>>39251698OK but is Israel to even be recognized as Israel if God is not with them? That's just tye world without God. He does have a promise to them, but the humans doing it on their own authority is another Ishmael. Satan loooves to pervert what God deemed good. The jews chose and God divorced them. Until they come to Christ they are not Jews.
>>39248927Is the OP pic Mithra? Mithraism is one of those curiosities of history you want to research but never get around to doing it.>If you believe in the principles of freedom and liberty over authoritarianism and tyranny, you are automatically a Luciferian. It doesn't matter what you "say" you are.That's what you will be called by people for ease of dismissal so I wouldn't embrace the label. It's also the reason I can't imagine being a satanist, why not just move on from the restrictive expectations of others. Why embrace it?
>>39251713My nigga, if Jesus was alive today he'd take one looks at the Christian religion today, shake his head in shame, then say the shema and continue practicing the same religion he died with thousands of years ago.>Until they come to Christ they are not JewsThe covenant God made with the Jews on Mt Sinai is permanent - if you think God divorced the Jews that means everyone who came from the Jews is divorced as well. You know nothing of your own religion and even Jesus would be ashamed of your nonsense.
>>39251704I'd rather give you a hug. I know it hurts. I am grieved you don't see. Seriously I love you and pray you are blessed
>>39251735The seed of Abraham is of faith not Genetics. Rehab and others(gentiles) are listed in the hall of faith in Hebrews. It was Abraham's faith(trust) in God. His friendship. I am a friend of God. The Jews aren't. The remnant of them will be. That is the promise. God always keeps a remnant. Hosea makes that clear.
>>39251735The two group thing is an American invention. Jews and gentiles. Jews were the launching point. The tree is the same tree. Gentiles were grafted in to that tree.(The tree of life). Many of the Jews were cut off as the covenant promised. It truly grieves me.
>>39251764>>39251775Do you enjoy the madness you cast upon yourself or what? I don't get it?
>>39251742>I am grieved you don't see. Seriously I love you and pray you are blessedNo you don't. You had a smug look on your face as you wrote that.
>39251735>The covenant God made with the Jews on Mt Sinai is permanent Except for the thousands of years that kikes were expelled. The entity you think of as God is just some canaanite pagan deity.
>>39251780The ravings of a madman are only mad if they don't make sense. They are logical.
>>39251801>The entity you think of as God is just some canaanite pagan deity.No, that's what YOU think.
>>39251742Im not in much pain rn. I absolutely refuse to repent of any sin including blasphemy. I attained self realization, I am as much God as you are and will not enslave myself to any other God. You are a slave to 2000 year old myths like every other NPC.
>>39251788I enjoy the banter. I do not enjoy the result. In fact I don't even think the theological points I made are important for salvation. I just genuinely don't want you to be hurt. You are not my enemy. The concepts are.
>>39251812Wow you knew what I was gonna type. Your spirit is smart. Anyways this is how I feel. I love you.>>39251823
>>39251806Its what I know from thousands of hours of research into the origins of the OT.Deut 32 makes it clear the so called Israelites were originally Canaanite polytheists until Ezra redacted it into a Monotheistic religion. Its why Elohim is plural, ofc Christgolem NPCs will try to claim thats the Trinity but no, the trinity was a later invention. The further you.go back in the Bible the clearer it is that they were Polytheists, who evolved into Henotheists, who eventually evolved into Monotheists. The Israelites never even existed as a unified culture group, then they stole Pagan Greek ideas like Logos and applied it to Jesus Christ.Is your alleged god almighty over the Hindus, is he almighty over the Japanese, is he almighty over the Chinese?
>>39251718I recently read a book on Mithras and its pretty interesting some of the areas where little hints of him popping up. Comparisons to Christ and some Pagan gods like Lugh. Also seems to have heavily influenced masonic orders, Mithras' red cap was a fixture of the American and French revolutions, and probably more than I'm currently aware of.I wasn't as interested so much in the rituals but at the time I was reading this book I remembered seeing a thread on /x/ with a picture of some masonic ceremony that had a kid in a bridal veil and the book mentions the second stage of initiation 'Nymphus' or the male bride where the initiate is prepared to become a bride to Mithras. The whole thing seems fucking weird to me but I found it interesting that I saw that picture at the same time I was reading about the cult. Synchonicity is a hell of a thing.
>>39251842The answer to these questions is a resounding no. Thus your god is not omnipotent, omniscient, or all powerful, and never will be. Christianity is spiritual megalomania. The book of revelations was written by a jew who was mad at the Roman empire and idiot Christgolem NPCs will continue to invent another antichrist, another mark of the beast, another false prophet, and claim the world is ending, until finally the entire church falls apart bc people get wise to the whole narrative being rotten.
>>39251842>Is your alleged god almighty over the Hindus, is he almighty over the Japanese, is he almighty over the Chinese?The concept of an omniscient, omnipresent and totally powerful singular God, who's been described as being indescribable and without attribute. Known as the Brahman in Hinduism, or the Dao in Daosim. Its referred to as HaShem in Judaism.Its the same concept.
>>39251806The way I am presenting things seems contrarian. Jesus was a Jew. The law is still in effect, but Jesus fulfilled the law. Pragmatically that is that the spirit of the law is what is now enacted. The spirit of the law is more intense but easy with the Holy Spirit. It is more about understanding and implementing the heart of God. The desire to sin with the will to do it is Sim, not just the act. It is harder. The heart must be pure too. That is not bad because it is us acting. God and man. He empowers and gives grace, freedom and discernment to do it.Still hard though because of the flesh and spirits around.
>>39251859What Christgolem NPCs simultaneously believe:>our god is almighty>our god put satan in charge of the earth>we must be obedient to our gods arbitrary laws >everyone but us goes to hellVery convenient delusion. Its no different than paganism. You just sacrifice $$$ instead of animals.
>>39251863Perhaps true. I am inclined to agree. But then we can just cut JC out of the picture and not have to be obedient to impossible laws.
2 Peter 2:19“While they promise them liberty, they themselves are the servants of corruption: for of whom a man is overcome, of the same is he brought in bondage.”
>>39251890Lets not discount also the plain reading of scriptures is that the Apostles did not agree with each other. Peter did not agree with Paul, whoever wrote Revelations did not agree with Paul either. Even the Gospels do not agree on what the law even is.
>>39251878Matthew 23>Then Jesus spoke to the crowds and to his disciples, saying: “The scribes and the Pharisees have seated themselves in the seat of Moses.When you're done being a Pharisee, we can continue
>>39251900I agree, I will not be in bondage to 2000 year old semitic cults that plagiarized earlier pagan texts and then went on wars to destroy those same pagans.
>>39251911See, Christgolems do not even agree with each other. This is why theres a million different Christgolem denominations.
>>39251919That brings me to the next question:Why in the ever loving fuck should I care what dead men from 2000 years ago believe? Do dead men have any right to judge the living? No.
>>39251911I have absolutely not arrived. I am a sinner. It is a process. It is not hinged upon your own strength or faithfulness. It is his. But that will manifest as you strengthen your relationship with him. You have to be like a child. The spirit of the law looks different in me or the person next to me, but it is the same spirit and law. God judges and we can discern the motives of someone's heart, but it is not until God speaks and says it is so we can fully know. We are to judge rightous judgement and the spiritual man is to judge all things. He is just not suppose to judge unrightously as that will be reflected back at him
>>39251956Then if we are wrong willing to be corrected.
>>39251911What is it you want in this conversation? And what do you want from me?
>>39251853>I recently read a book on MithrasMay I ask, what was the name book?>I remembered seeing a thread on /x/ with a picture of some masonic ceremony that had a kid in a bridal veil and the book mentions the second stage of initiation 'Nymphus' or the male brideReminds me of the "Bride of Christ" symbolism in Christianity. > I saw that picture at the same time I was reading about the cult. Synchonicity is a hell of a thing.You don't say.
>>39251977Nothing. The fact of the matter is, it shook you enough to warrant concern. If your religion is perfect in faith, why are you in doubt in the face of it? If what you worship is true to the nature you give it, why do you feel under attack by your own scriptures? You see anon, there is nothing wrong with holy words but do you see how in this moment, I resorted to what THEY do.. guilt tripping you with the same quotes you try to better yourself by. This is to say that the wisdom found within the bible isn't incorrect.. it's just whoever holds power of the wisdom these days, aren't good people - and in saying that, they pervert the wisdom for their own ends. How often do you see bible scriptures quoted for the sake of bringing about peace and safety? Most of those evil preachers try to use fear to bring you down.. its just religious bullying.
>>39251988I should have mentioned the name 'The Mysteries of Mithras'. I saw someone else mention it in some /x/ thread a while back. Occasionally I pick up books that seem interesting to me that I see mentioned here. I've been trying to read more lately.
>>39252040Many thanks anon have a good one.
>>39251571God uses me to pick his nose!
>>39250465and it also happens to be true>>39251194Christians have eternal life and this will be clear at the resurrection>>39251401another sad case of TDS. not surprising for a satanist
>>39248982Imagine thinking that the one portion of history is all there is to the story of the character.Why is /x/ so full of egotistical faggot retards who are so far up their own asshole that they cannot differentiate between their own narcissism and legitimate reality? The other half of this board seems to be lonely incels who think they have sex with 'spiritual women.'
>>39248927I'm the Sun God I do what I want if I free ol Lucy it's cuz it was time for everyone to be redeemed - and this time I really do mean everyone will be redeemed.
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True, all order is of the heavens no matte the cringe. The world and ours souls are a slight against The Gods, as Jung say.
>>39248927God is so a tyrant that he allows me to do anything I want. I can even say bad things about Him and nothing will happen. Maybe because God knows I don't know what I'm talking about or the gravity of the situation so he just ignores? Now, try saying shit about King I don't know something, the China's leader. If you are chinese and you mock him he will execute you. Now, that is a tyrant. God is not controling your every move and your every action, but people like that chinese leader are. They are the true tyrants here. God is not a tyrant. God gave us freedom to live as we wish. You can even worship Satan if you want. God will not stop will. Now, try not giving praise to the chinese leader, he is gonna kill you. Luciferians are not for freedom. Luciferians fight for something impossible. You can't exist outside God.
>>39258034>Luciferians fight for something impossible. You can't exist outside God.Then why does God create people who are naturally predisposed to not live the way he wants them to live? Is it possible that God likes sin? If not, why would his creation do it all the time?
>>39248927loads of butthurt fagboy energy in the comments
>>39248927thats because your conception of luciferianism is based on satanism, which is literally a word for word rip of might is right, which it credits at the beginning of the book. the purpose of this was to psyop europeans into associating their natural predisposition towards le satan. this, too, is problematic. because youre still stuck on the jewish reservation, operating on its paradigms.
>>39248927We are beings of love and freedom. Our goal as 3D beings is to learn to balance those two aspects of ourselves. Freedom is not evil but too much freedom leads to a lack of love. Too much love leads to a lack of love and freedom ironically. Balance is the key.
you can have both concepts in balance.
