Thread to discuss Gnostic concepts and ideas. Is it possible for those who reject abrahamic bullshit to be Gnostic? The idea of the demiurge and the "heretical" concepts many early gnostic Jews had of Jesus, Satan etc. are the first things many people think of when the subject of Gnosticism is breached. To me however all that stuff is secondary. The primary focus of Gnostic worldcoew is the Spirit/Soul dichotomy and how it relates to the Universe and the afterlife.
Why believe any of this stuff?
>>39251482>Is it possible for those who reject abrahamic bullshit to be Gnostic?Why not? Gnostic Jesus said in multiple texts that his disciples didn't understand what he was teaching.And in one text he literally calls Abraham a laughingstock:>And Abraham and Isaac and Jacob were a laughingstock, since they, the counterfeit fathers, were given a name by the Hebdomad, as if he had become stronger than I and my brothers. We are innocent with respect to him, since we have not sinned.>>39251523Gnosticism is not about belief. "Gnosis" is the greek word for knowledge, and the entire endeavor of Gnosticism is to acquire true knowledge, of the Self and where we come from.In Gnostic texts Jesus doesn't teach you to believe anything, he simply says to examine yourself.>examine yourself, and learn who you are, in what way you exist, and how you will come to be.>For he who has not known himself has known nothing, but he who has known himself has at the same time already achieved knowledge about the depth of the all.
>>39251565But there's like hundreds of thousands of different religions. I would need extraordinary evidence to believe that any one of them were actually true. 99.9% of humans who have lived never even heard of this "Jesus" person.
>>39251591Religion is bullshit anon. Its an institution that exists to make money. Some of them are good but most are not your fucking friends.
>>39251591But again, it's not something to be believed. They were very adamant about this:>The foolish - thinking in their heart that if they confess, "We are Christians," in word only (but) not with power, while giving themselves over to ignorance, to a human death, not knowing where they are going nor who Christ is, thinking that they will live, when they are (really) in error - hasten towards the principalities and authorities. They fall into their clutches because of the ignorance that is in them.You should approach it more like a philosophy. If nothing about it rings true then you should ignore it.Does the idea of examining yourself put you off?
>>39251605Gnosticism was never an institution that made money, it was shut down and had its books burned and was suppressed for thousands of years by the institution you're talking about.
>>39251622A thing is true when I can perform it consistently under various conditions.
>>39251650You are consistently you, under all conditions.Yet you still don't know yourself.
>>39251637Yeah bc gnostics didnt have kids. Gnosticism is maladaptive. It never lasts long as a religion.
>>39251678Legit question for gnostics. Want to escape, just fucking kill your meat body, then go to war against any archon force that tries to force you into a new body or memory wipe you.
>>39251686Not sure why this question is so frequently asked when it has such a simple answer.It's because death is a part of this world. The entire concept of being liberated at death is a lie, because death is unreal. It's simply an illusion of this world.If you think you must "die" inside a video game before you're allowed to stop playing it, then you've become a slave to the video game.
>>39251686Not strictly a gnostic but my body is inevitably going to die at some point, so I'm not in a rush. My goal has become to learn a little bit more about whatever I can every day.
They say that when a wise man points to the moon, the fool examines the finger. So of course when the Logos takes the form of a Jewish carpenter, the hylic says we ought to worship the carpenter. So we laugh at the fools, until the fools outnumber us and start ripping people's fingernails out for refusing to worship the carpenter and his whore mom. Gnostic brothers, my question is ... How do I not hate these people? They fill me with anger, though I know in my soul that I ought to pity their ignorance, their blindness to the light that shines through us.
>>39251763>How do I not hate these people?There's nothing wrong with hating ignorance. And those people are mostly ignorance.The only thing to not hate is any soul that's there, but it's so deeply asleep that nothing you see of those people reflects the soul. They, and their ignorance, should be hated.They aren't going to wake up if you pretend to love them and their ignorance. That will just keep their soul asleep longer.
https://thegnosticdread.com/the-difference-between-spirit-soul/
https://archive.org/details/the-forbidden-religion
>>39251678There is no specific mandate for gnostics to not have children. My son was the result of an unplanned pregnancy and we kept him even though her dad was pushing abortion. You are trying to push the view of gnosticism as cucked and anti-life, but it's not.
The author of this book has a youtube channel where he explains all this lore, Herrou Aragon, he is the leader of an argentinian gnosis sect known as the Arquicefalo, a very wise guy but this hiperborean gnosis ideology can be extreme, do you know about this? do you know about moyano?, this book changed my life, it serves as an introduction to "el misterio de belicena bilca" and bot volumes of "fundamentos de la sabiduria hiperborea" by Moyano. This rabbit hole goes deep, this gnosis is different from that of samael aun weor, hiperoborean gnosis is left hand path gnosis tread with care. https://www.youtube.com/c/Jos%C3%A9MHerrouArag%C3%B3nI resonate with this obscure knowledge because I experiment with different mind altering substances and have reached gnosis, so this literature explains a lot...
>>39252230I'm aware of his YouTube channel, however I find it difficult to watch long videos with YouTubers subtitles and this have only read his translated works which are available online, specifically the book in the Op and this onehttps://archive.org/details/the-forbidden-parapsychology both of which are available on archive.org.
>>39252266yeah its quite fascinating I talk with him through whats app, I have a lot of literature on this movement, do you know about the political side of this gnosis?... its crazy that this is the religious wing of a strong political movement growing quickly in argentina and bolivia. the rabbit hole goes deep. investigate about Nimrod de Rosario, Luis Felipe Moyano the ritual of spiritual release is on the second volume of Fundamentos de la sabiduria Hiperborea, it has to do with Kalas and Kaula Yoga, the information Herrou Aragon has is amazing, but yeah its all in spanish this is his website:https://www.ordenarquicefalo.com/
>>39252293Interesting. I had seen that J. Aragon had been attacked by the media in his country, some of which was posted on YouTube, all of the comments were from his supporters. I will look more into the names you mentioned and check out the website, thanks. It would be nice to see some more englis teanslations of his work in the future..
Crybaby general with a hint of India phone scammers
>is it possible...?Nothing is possible unless you're born a gnostic. Which includes being born with at least partial gnosis.
>>39251686No it's not a legit question.Since you Need gnosis suicide doesn't help or matter.Also ask me that question to the face, try not being an obese manchild when you do
>>39252553Foreskin vampire worshipper detected. Dead Jew on a stick death cult members btfo.
>>39252617I see you are clearly triggered. Stop being a little bitch.
>>39252623If I'm in the business of making your god dead, you'll understand my amusement at seeing one of you shitlings try to sound all powered up
>>39252613Hard work and a warriors mindset is foreign to followers of "demiurge" religion or pseudoscience. All they know is slavish obedience, fear based mindset and not upsetting their masters. Thinking there is a simple easy trick to overcome the spiritual inertia of the prison realm is the same as thinking you can just be "saved" and go to heaven.>>39252623I'm laughing at you. Please seethe the some more.
>>39252634>>39252646>ITS JUST NOT FAIR>WHY DID I HAVE TO BE BORN!?>I NEVER ASKED FOR THIS AAAAAAAAAAAAAAA
>>39251482I have a physical copy of that book. Powerful stuff.
>>39252677I don't resent being born. I will just kill your god like we gnostics already killed Jesus 2 years ago.For a turd, you sure love talking tough
>>39252684Lol
>>39252677Gnosticism always makes the Jew worshippers seethe.
>>39252677>WAAAaaaaahhKnowledge is scary*Insert straw man meme**Pat self on back for being a good demiurge shill*
>>39252682Powerful stuff indeed. One of those books that can change your life imo.
>>39252689>I don't believe thingDon't care
https://www2.hawaii.edu/~jjudd/energy/partI/universe/universe.htm#universe
http://www.thenewgnosis.org/blacksun.pdf
https://archive.org/details/kupdf.net_return-of-the-serpents-of-wisdom-by-mark-amaru-pinkham_202012
https://archive.org/details/155949779TheozoologyByJorgLanzVonLiebenfels
>>39251605You're confusing ideals with humans. Midwits suffer with this concept
>>39251686If Gnosticism wasn't true, it wouldn't get this reaction out of people.Something I've noticed is that Demiurge worshipers LOVE engaging in long fruitless debates and "deboonking" other (false) religions. They love it, it's what they live for, in fact it seems to be the only time their cruel lion-faced master allows them to feel even a tingle of pleasure. Judaism? Islam? Fuckin' Jehovah's Witnesses? They'll sit there and deboonk that shit all day, that shit is catnip for them.As soon as they find out you're Gnostic though? "REEEEEE KYS *crackling npc static*" You can practically pinpoint the precise moment the hylic stops pretending to be human and just gives in to being a shrieking crackling megaphone for the Demiurge.
>>39252682>>39252735It's a decent book. But I don't know if I buy that the New Testament and Old Testament gods are two different gods.>old god bad evil materialism, new god good spiritualI mean that's just Gnosticism 101, right? But it feels a little too convenient. Like... No shit, of COURSE as soon as Gnostics hit the scene the Demiurge is going to try to put on a nice guy act to try and win back some followers. That's just the abuser claiming that he's "changed" and I don't buy it. I say the NT god is not the Monad. But that's just my take and I'm open to good-faith counterarguments.
>>39251686Honestly, think of it like lucid dreaming. Oh, you know that lucid dreaming exists? Go do it. Go to sleep, and have a lucid dream, on command. Nine times out of ten, even with the knowledge of the existence of lucid dreaming, you still won't dream lucidly. Now imagine if, instead of the consequence not being the ability to dream lucidly, the consequence was being forced to reincarnate as an illiterate Cambodian rice farmer with no legs.That's the problem.
>>39251482Yes. Christianity is only 300 years old, so gnosticism already existed before it.
>>39252121>>39252130According to Moyano, if one soul escapes from this world, the world is obliterated. But if we apply this concept to quantum immortality, we will notice this happens all the time in the omniverse. If I die, the world around me dies as well, as I cease to be. But this is my version, your version would keep existing, as long as you are alive. The problem with Sabiduria Hiperborea is that they try to collectivize this experience, creating some kind of cosmic drama, where humanity is forever imprisoned by the demiurgue.
>>39255716I look at it as a primer on the basic concepts. At this point I'm my life I have absolutely o interest in anything to do with Christ, Yaweh, the bible or any other Jewish filth. Look at the process of circumcision. That's something you do to animals. Jews and their gods look at goyim as mere cattle. Spiritual NPCs to be herded and harvested. I'm more interested in the chapters on the Soul vs the Spirit, Death and Reincarnation, Liberation of the Spirit, etc.
>>39251482Videos on Gnosis, its various types (SPG, UPG & VPG) and Gnosticism:https://youtu.be/0F7knBtLsNs https://youtu.be/260L-DEZVQ0https://youtu.be/diHf_Tup6tE
>>39251482>Is it possible for those who reject abrahamic bullshit to be Gnostic?nobeing gnostic means that you pursue knowledge and there is no greater knowledge than knowing/understanding fulfillment of Abrahamic covenant in the New Testamentso rejecting "abrahamic bullshit" means you reject gnosis, therefore, you'll never be a gnostic
>>39257506Whatever you say. Not interested in your dead Jew on a stick death cult. Have fun being soul-recycled by that faggot Yaweh.
https://archive.org/details/central-sun-the-esoteric-philosophy-of-peryt-shou/mode/1up
>>39257506No lol
https://archive.org/details/miguel-serrano-the-golden-cord/page/151/mode/1up
https://archive.org/details/miguelserranoandtheblacksunhttps://archive.org/details/rudolphjmundblacksunhttps://archive.org/details/blacksundivinelightofunderstandinghttps://archive.org/details/wilhelmlandigandtheblacksunhttps://archive.org/details/thesymboloftheblacksunhttps://archive.org/details/urru-thulean-polar-mythos-jason-thompkins_202308https://archive.org/details/all-sections-jo-s-encyclopediahttps://archive.org/details/miguel-serrano_202309https://archive.org/details/the-tradition-of-hyperborean-ondargainhttps://archive.org/details/hyperborean-light-berserker-bookshttps://archive.org/details/the-adrenochrome-conspiracy-the-nazi-heritage-of-the-global-elite-zak-joneshttps://archive.org/details/archons.-otherworldly-rulers-through-the-ages
>>39251686Quantum immortality. I can't escape the meat prison. Death avoids us and we must move forward to experience this hell.
>>39251482Yes, there's Cainite Gnosticism.Here's a simple text guide.Step 1: Reject Jesus Christ and YHVH.Step 2: Embrace your Darkness.Step 3: Take up meditation.If you cheeve, drop us a line, though, because gnosis is for genetic spawn of Serpent/Caine.
>>39257506lmao WHAT? Abraham worshiped the Demiurge. Abrahamic prophets are all prophets of the Demiurge and their covenants are covenants of the Demiurge. The real God doesn't make covenants with people you dimwit.
>>39260812They're THAT desperate.
>>39251686>why not kysthats stupid we are here to wake the others up. god sneaked us in just like jesus to perform magic tricks and conquer material death.
>>39260861No, you're supposed to do your own homework and let the others slip by, it's not a preachy religion. In fact, there's gnosis and there's written stuff, only those who know the religion from birth will be saved.
>>39260877>only those who know the religion from birth will be saved.what is my purpose on this plane then if i am indeed knowing from birth? life has been only confusion throughout. nothing makes much sense if you already are with the true timeless paceless god beyond the veil. only dark spirits want to use my power for their own ends, i just find it funny & a little concerning.
>>39260913>what is my purpose on this plane then if i am indeed knowing from birth?Outed yourself as not knowing
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>>39260919ou could say something useful anyway.
>>39260913heres your answer from the book referenced in:>>39252121>>39252130'Vira is the warrior who is striving to wake up. He is somewhatconfused but fights to free himself from this material worldand fulfil his Spirit.'
>>39260877Gnostic myths relate that Lucifer is the Messenger of the Unknowable God. We had said that this God, the greatest one, unreachable and unknowable, is unable to penetrate this limited universe of impure and satanic matter. But according to these myths, he can send someone, Lucifer. Only with a supreme sacrifice can an incredibly Spiritual and pure being of antimatter fire break through into the infernal world of this universe. According to Gnostic legends and myths, the great Unknowable God sent Lucifer, angel of indescribable fire and light, to show man the light and to help him wake up and see his true origin, the origin of his Spirit, which has been perversely imprisoned in this impure matter called body-soul. He is an uncreated being, who came to the created world to bring Light: Liberating Gnosis. The saving knowledge which can wake man up and help him free his imprisoned Spirit. The knowledge which allows him to know who he truly is, why he is here in this world and what he has to do to liberate himself and fulfil his Spirit, which belongs to another uncreated and unknowable plane. We have said that Lucifer came to the world to wake man up, to help him remember his divine origin, the divine origin of his Spirit, and to help him free himself from the body-soul in which he is trapped, and from created time and matter.from the book referenced in>>39252121>>39252130-we are here to wake people up.
>>39260966Protip, anyone who's trying to gatekeep Gnosticism is probably just a Christian (read: circumcised psychopaths who love the demiurge) who doesn't want Gnostics to grow in number.They do the same thing with every religion they don't like. If this were a thread about Buddhism, I bet the same retard would be in here claiming "that's not real buddhism, you aren't buddhist, you're larping" because that's literally all they know how to say.
>>39254891>>39254891Thats exactly what the catholiv church did with the Cathars. No debate, no refuting, nothing. Just instant annihilation by all means necessary ASAP. And then not even condemn or talk about them afterwards, just avoid the subject like it was never real.
I want to get into a Gnosticism that is BOTH anti-s*xual and anti-natalist. I despise and abhor pro-s*x yet anti-natalist groups. and if you're anti-s*x but still looking for ways to have natalism that's just Kafkian.
I'm part of a Gnostic school of mysteries, the Golden Rosycross. Not trying to do any proselytizing, but there's no occultism or any meaningless activity, they're just laser focused on liberation of themselves and the whole of humanity. Just wanted to let you guys know in case some of you want to join something that is clearly truly gnostic, as for the others, just ignore me, you're cool too. https://www.goldenrosycross.org/
>>39261075yeah grumpy ((/x/ anon)), rejecting everythinng causing doubt and confusion. many such cases.
>>39261146>Gnostic school of mysteriesi too went to school once, long ago though.
>>39261107the flak gets heavy when you are over the target.-some ww2 pilot
>>39261146>just ignore mei will now focus on you in particular
>>39261075>circumcised psychopaths who love the demiurgehuh, is this a book? search engine returned nothing.
>>39252121>>39252130my god anon, this is spiritual dynamite.
>>39251482national socialists were somewhat of gnostics as well, houston stewart chamberlain the spiritual father of national socialism writes about gnosticism in his work 'man and god', alfred rosenberg too mentions the monad and other such stuff in his book 'mythos of the 20th century'.they however considered jesus the liberated one sent by the true god beyond the veil to liberate humanity, conquering death showing everyone that the material is not everything.ss had skull and bones insignia showing their lack of fear of death.
>>39252266>>39252486he says on his youtube channel that he tried homosexuality in the past but now he practices sex magic with womena lot of the videos talk about homosexuality as being necessary to obtain gnosis
>>39262037it's just the gnostic practices as samael aun weor taught. It's occultism at its basis. Most, if not all, institutions based on these principles failed miserably eventually, or are still standing but without really fruitful results. People mixing sex with magic always end up in some sort of degeneracy, it's so obvious. But there's a form of "Gnosis" without sex, without degeneracy, which is effective all the same: self-awareness. >verification not required
>>39251686Another important theme is suicide. Suicide wouldappear to be a rebellion against the creator, but it is not.Those who think that suicide is a means of escaping fromthe clutches of the demiurge are wrong.When a man begins to wake up and starts to see thingsas they really are, he fears he has gone mad. He realizesthat everything he has been taught is lies, that he issurrounded by madmen and sleepwalkers and that he isstuck in a giant concentration camp inhabited by the insane.If this man does not quickly find other men who are awakelike him, it is likely he will think about committing suicidein an effort to escape from this prison. That is why mostmen prefer to remain asleep. quote from bok referenced in:>>39252121>>39252130
>>39262063That is why mostmen prefer to remain asleep. Most of them do not want toknow the truth: that they are living in a huge mentalinstitution invented and controlled by the SupremeMadman. Only a minority of very brave men will seek outthis Special Knowledge capable of waking them up.We have seen that attempting to destroy the work of thedemiurge is useless, since he will only create it again. In thesame way then, suicide is also a mistake, a uselessrebellion, and in this case the complete opposite ofliberation.When the common man commits suicide, his soul isseparated from his body and delivered to the demiurge,taking the Spirit with it, as the Spirit is tied to the soul. Nextcomes judgment, punishment and karma. This is whathappens every time a man dies, and suicide is no exception.In the case of suicide, the punishment inflicted by thedemiurge will be greater: a prisoner has tried to escape andhas been trapped again. Double punishment. The prisonerwho has committed suicide, has not escaped from anythingand has liberated himself from nothing. Here he is, in thehands of the demiurge once again. For the common man,suicide is neither a way out nor liberation. On the contrary,it is a worsening of his situation.
>>39261122https://archive.org/details/quotes-on-semen-retention-from-hindu-scripture>>39262037That's disappointing he is promoting homosexuality, but I knew about the sex magick stuff. To me all the sex magick stuff seems pretty predatory. When I hear the term the OTO and the like is the first thing that comes to mind, which I would consider degenerAte. I am not an antinatalist personally but I don't seek to proselytize others on what to do, however I don't think sex is really a good way to achieve gnosis because you are just going further and further into the realm of the demiurge.
>>39261075No, I mean it, see >>39260039But you need to be born with gnosis because who in HELL is going to give you diksha.
