Personally, since I can't kill my self, I decided that the most reasonable use of my time is to help everyone in the world.of course, not just about everyone, there are versions of "me" that are very corrupt, these must be squashed and oppressed, but otherwise I'm looking to build a new civilization.care to join, other me?
>>39253528pretentious faggot, unless asked when you offer to help another you innately assume your position superior and said other in need of you, youve done this to the entire fucking world, gratz. kys 10,000 debased eternal
I'm just trying to help, retard. if everyone is the same, then we must build a very efficient civilization. that is the only rational imperative.
>>39253549your axiom is fucked> if everyone is the same,they arnt, no one is equal in any one thing let along every comparable thing.>that is the only rational imperative.if you feed yourself poor lore>I'm just trying to helpI KNOW THATS MY FUCKING POINT>unless asked when you offer to help another you innately assume your position superior and said other in need of youlead by example negro, show dont tell, merit >>>>>> authorization 100% of the time
>>39253549>hen we must build a very efficient civilization.i left this bit hanging, efficent at what? qualify your statement
>>39253559Of course we are different, I meant that if everyone is a the same at their essence. we have different needs and wants. so did bacteria before they unified into organs and then into complicated organisms like humans.if we are all of the same essence, then we all want the same thing, we just have different ways of getting that same thing. therefore unification is rational, that way we can all get what we want without any conflict.
>>39253565at this >>39253568
>>39253568>rolls eyesnice moving goal post>i wanna kill my self>i just wanna help people>were all the same in our essence !>therefore we must build an efficient civilization>that unifies us as if people were bacteria building and evolving into one body and mindEVIL is the imposition of will, you wish to impose your will on all. pretentious faggotious retarded glownegro,
>>39253600retard. we all have the same will.I'm not imposing anything, not anymore than your left brain hemisphere is on your right.don't you get it?
>>39253602presumptive lies, i dont wish to help everyone by mergeing with them for the sake of unspecfied efficency>I'm not imposing anything,thankfully, but you wish too, and you wont even say why. what is the will you think we all share, beyond becoming one to help.... everyone? with efficiency....in the civic of oneness......>retard. fuck holding your wish is evil, and wroth wholly stopping.
>>39253602what mechanism would you ideally employ to achieve the maximization of unification?
>>39253602>>39253615Unstoppable force meets immovable object
>>39253624right we should get a room
>>39253528>>39253549I like your idea, OP, which is why I'll give you a bit of wisdom to help you rebuild civilization.Authenticity is an admirable trait, but it cannot be mimicked like other admirable traits. This is why people generally react to authenticity with frustration. It's also why innovators either build off of old ideas or go unappreciated in their time. That is all.
>>39253615Because Schopenhauer explained to us what the essence of the world is, will.so we all have it. the only reason why we conflict we each other is because we're dumb darwinian beings. that's just history and biology. we needed to evolve intelligence to come to understand all this.the issue with this metaphysical will, is that it's blind, it can't recognize it self, it needs to be guided by intelligence. it is our duty to guide our will. literally, our imperative.rejoice, brother mine. why are you so negative towards this? this would solve all of our problems, or at least, mitigate them greatly.we could sale reality with knowledge and care as our values. what's not to like?
>>39253634>the issue with this metaphysical will, is that it's blind, it can't recognize it self, it needs to be guided by intelligenceIntelligence is the ability to hold two opposing ideas and continue to function. The self is opposed by the other. I see no way to reconcile these facts, but I have faith it can be done. Maybe you can make it happen, maybe not. Either way we can hope and despair together.
>>39253634>why are you so negative towards thiscan you not read or have you forgotten all but this most recent post chat bot? I THINK WHAT YOU WANT IS EVIL. will is individualized, metaphysical will is not blind, its fractured as many times over as is the individual.>Because Schopenhauer explained to us what the essence of the world is, will.youve been waffling about will for awile now but i bet you wont define it in your own wordswill - an individuals intent actualized.> it is our duty to guide our will. literally, our imperative.........>EVIL is the imposition of will,> this would solve all of our problemsyou ignored this question entierly>what mechanism would you ideally employ to achieve the maximization of unification?heres another for you to ignore, what mechanism would you ideally employ to achieve the maximization of unified will on earth for US ALL?
>>39253650You just have terrible metaphysics, will can't be fractured. otherwise we wouldn't be able to interact with each other.
>>39253650>heres another for you to ignore, what mechanism would you ideally employ to achieve the maximization of unified will on earth for US ALL?it doesn't have a name yet, but I would call it "super-communism".
>>39253657illiteracy confirmed. i did not ask its namebye
>>39253653define will tell but dont show senpai
>>39253675You should be able to deduce the mechanism from the title, obviously I don't have all the details.>>39253678will is whatever the essence of the world is, Schopenhauer described it as an unrelenting force. but whatever it is, it's the base of reality from which everything sprouts.honestly, maybe it's a miscommunication thing, but I'm getting the feeling that you're unreasonably hostile to this. you're not even presenting your criticisms properly, I'm replying to my best ability however.
>>39253692>Because Schopenhauer explained to us what the essence of the world is, will.>will is whatever the essence of the world isyou should actually stop speaking now>You should be able to deduce the mechanism from the titleyour point at this point is that you want to help everyone in the world unify what schopenhauer would describe as an unrelenting force that is the essence of the world at an efficent civizilation level and i should deduce the mechnisim for how you would unify an unrelenting force essence of the world that you call wil for ALL ITS PEOPLE by the question "What are the implications for open individualism"your insane, stop sharing your thoughts.
>>39253702I really am sorry. I'm just sharing what I think is best. I'll find other anons and people that can help me establish and think this through.
>>39253632I don't expect 99.9999% of people to like this. which is why I'm looking to find ways to do this regardless of what they think. unless they present rational counter arguments.
>>39253708i wish i hadnt said bye now ima ll contradiction.. theres no way to make everyone on earth share you vision with out imposing it on them. we have individualized for a reason. what you seek to do IS EVIL, may you find no one, and may you be utterly impotent in any attempts you make.now then, since you insist on continuing, let me help you (/condescending German smile) if you want to offer a sincerer apology you dont not say some variation of the words im sorry, this is what cartoon cut outs of people on television do, you do 3 things, 1 you you articulate what you did wrong concisly, 2 you say why it is wrong and how it wronged the one you wish to apologize too, 3 you correct your wrong, i do not accept your apology, for you have yet to offer one. cartoon thing.ps you have no defined willpps, you have no stated the mechanism by which (YOU) would ideally unify the will/unrelenting force of the world [lol] the implications of open {?} [unimposed] individualism are the exact opposite outcome youd get from unifying the will of all via the will of one or ........ unifying an undefined unrelenting force some dead faggot inspired you with.
>>39253730>unless they present rational counter arguments.oh easy bro>theres no way to make everyone on earth share you vision with out imposing it on themimposition is not unification, your illiterate, remember when i asked you how youd do something and you told me the name of said something?
If anyone is interested in this, has had and have similar thoughts. I just hang on 4chan and on r/OpenIndividualism, r/antinatalism, r/antinatalism2. I lurk there.I also am familiar with youtubers such as inmendham and MetaSage.mainly where I got this inspiration from.
I'm also occasionally on leftypol
>>39253708pp(teehee)ps to open individuals to your will unhindered you've gotta groom them from birth to respect your will more then their own. you lack the charisma or articulation to inspire a single individual who disagrees with you, the whole of the world... lol, lewl even
>>39253731you arrogant irrational asshole. fuck you.my apology was genuine FYI.
>>39253746I'm looking for rational open minded individuals.not normie scum.
>>39253749but it was not an apology, you said the words im sorry, you didnt say what you did why and and whom it wronged and what you will (theres that word again huh.... i dont care what you think it means anymore dat shit was stupid, i mean an individuals intent actualized when im using here here, can you follow?)do to correct it, your im sorry fits your impotent will though. you dont even know how to impose your will on otheres so your looking for narrow minded followers who fallate your ego uncontested to do your ignorant will for you.>>39253751of course your not normal, your not one of the scum, your special, your a supercommunist... as soon as someone tells you how to be one ><
>>39253759whatever, I'm kind, but I'm impatient with my kindness. you only have once chance to present yourself. after which, well, the cleansing will begin.
>>39253764lol>im kind>present yourself before me or be cleansed
>>39253764when words mean what ever you feel like saying them is the easiest thing in the world, but moving others to respect your words just by saying what you feel dose not work. may as well just post a picture of your tits, easier then any other attempts at persuasion youve demonstrated your capable of.
>>39253528look into Buddhism, in particular the bodhisattva vow
>>39253791Buddhism, as it stands today, is useless for the majority of conscious life. If the system that I'm making is successful, it means you could bring enlightenment to the whole world and not just a few select individuals.Buddhism is an ancient religion that is not utilitarian and thus not effective enough.
bump
>>39253528Open Individualism is bullshit. I can directly observe being this person and not someone else, so how could I be everyone at the same time? OI completely goes against observable reality.https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vertiginous_question
>>39253528It implies that abortion is good
>>39255217Can you also directly observe being your past self? by that standard, your past self is not you. but then what is? time doesn't exist, you can't pinpoint a "you".you're not a "thing", nothing is. there is no floor and there is no chair, that is an abstraction that we make in our heads to navigate the world. but the universe doesn't acknowledge both as separate things. there is no point at which anything is separate from anything, not in space and not in time.
>>39255227I'm pro infanticide also. people shouldn't have to live crippled lives.
Naive. You can only help who you can help.
>>39255313says the meeksorry anon, we have no choice but to keep trying.
>>39255282>Can you also directly observe being your past self? by that standard, your past self is not you. My past self isn't me at the current moment. Closed Individualism is only possible if time exists.>but then what is? time doesn't existIf time doesn't exist, Empty Individualism makes more sense than Open Individualism.>you can't pinpoint a "you". you're not a "thing", nothing is.I can pinpoint a "you" through direct observation. If directly observing being me doesn't count as pinpointing a "you" that objectively exists, this seems little different than Daniel Dennett's philosophy where consciousness in its entirety is just an illusion.>there is no floor and there is no chair, that is an abstraction that we make in our heads to navigate the world. but the universe doesn't acknowledge both as separate things. there is no point at which anything is separate from anything, not in space and not in time.The fact that you can deconstruct things to some arbitrary degree doesn't mean a thing doesn't exist in reality.
>>39255227>>39255303source on the blue background stuff?is it from Lesswrong or the reduce-suffering forums? Effective altruism\ hedonistic imperative crowd? >Isn't the corollary that we should actively exterminate any and every human who isn't the peak-est possible human, thus ensuring a whole Species of supermen and superwomen after a couple decades of worldwide genocide?
>>39253528>Personally, since I can't kill my self, I decided that the most reasonable use of my time is to help everyone in the world.That's, actually, a really good idea. And, if we're all part of the same universal consciousness (like nodes poking through a mesh grid) then I'd say we're in agreement here. But I don't agree to starting a new civilization.The new civilization is already there. It's in heaven. It's the New Jerusalem, a real place. He made it for us, because heaven doesn't have three-dimensional form otherwise. He did it to preserve us, to preserve our bodies, our souls, our personalities as children of his, so he can enjoy our company for lifetimes upon lifetimes. And this is good for us too. We get to enjoy paradise in humanoid spirit form. He really loves us; He likes his creations. He is impressed. When your life is finished, come to New Jerusalem. You will have helped many people get there before your time is finished. And then, he will welcome you, us both.Namaste.
>>39253546>pretentious faggot, unless asked when you offer to help another you innately assume your position superior and said other in need of you, youve done this to the entire fucking world, gratz. kys 10,000 debased eternalThis is the worst kind of opiate-addicted, alcohol-addicted, Mommy drama, Daddy drama, Mommy problems, Daddy problems, disgustingly annoying fucking person I've encountered a thousand fucking times in my 20s.This is an epidemic. An epidemic of weakness. I'm not even talking to this person; I'm talking to you, thread. Would you take advice from someone as suicidal as this? This person is minutes away from suicidal thoughts and imagining taking others down with them.What a sick, sad, disgusting, little noxious, acidic, degradative, non-blossoming fucking disintegrating, weak level of consciousness this person has. Don't -ever- listen to this person.
>>39256545https://www.iacopovettori.it/laterzaipotesi/eng/RTOI-8-Ethical_and_practical_conclusion_considerations.aspx
>>39255303>I'm pro infanticide also.Based and Yudpilled
>>39256545>and superwomenWill you really need superwomen once pic related exists?
Bump. I want all the Satanist nerds to die.
>>39256165I am not deconstructing, there was never any one thing the first place, my mind was falsely constructing to help me navigate. it's the construction (abstraction) that is false.
>>39256622gee look at that another philosophy that another INDIVIDUAL holds that innatly places the philosopher above others. do you even know how to rationalize the world with out telling yourself you better then the people you dont know?im not suicidial or an opiate addict, i dont drink, get on well with my parent thats still alive. im glad i annoy you. it really upsets you that i think its impossible to offer help to one who dose no ask with out looking down on the one you help. BUT YOU ARE DOING THIS>What a sick, sad, disgusting, little noxious, acidic, degradative, non-blossoming fucking disintegrating, weak level of consciousness this person has. Don't -ever- listen to this person.all this fake bullshit because i dont endorse looking down on everone on earth? project harder>>39253528your still a faggot and your not me. quote some more old books poorly kay?>Because Schopenhauer explained to us what the essence of the world is, will.>will is whatever the essence of the world is
>>39258824I'm sorry good sir. but you are wrong and stupid.irrational and weak.you will be assimilated.
>>39257234(((eliezer yudkowsky)))
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>>39261114Imagine the smell
>>39259856may Your will be done :P
>>39266005?oh you like op and faggatious ideations?perhaps you can answer the most pertinent question op failed to touch on>what mechanism would you ideally employ to achieve the maximization of unification?
>>39266109First we establish the philosophy, then we come up with the strategy.
>>39266123whos we?>>39253653and why do you disagree with op?
>>39266161we nigga. didn't you get a thing from the OP?
>>39253528Personally, I've wanted to live in the woods, i'm not talking about a plot of land 45 min from a small town, i'm talking the boreal forest in tree wells, lean toos and hunting, fishing, trapping and gathering. Everyone in my life has steered me away from my goal, drugs, digital opium, sex, telling me to be altruistic, help other people, contribute to the community. They never actually helped me though, there was a never a job prepared for me, no station in the community, no one taught me that pine tree bark was edible and always made me fear the woods. I too have been led down by the rope of falsely fashioned 'society'. Now I am their terror, I destroy their money, holding my hand on the commandments, I destroy their false community by leaving my mask unfilled, I destroy their fronts, their grifts and their false idols. I take their weapons and give them away. I take their masks and sear it into their faces
>>39253528this trend of ironic narcissism by claiming to have no individuality where you're everyone and everyone is you and God is fucking annoying
>>39267156That's like the complete opposite of narcissism. dimwit.
