Demons, ghosts, and spirits aren't paranormal, they're perfectly normal and logical. We just haven't gotten to the point where we understand how they work yet. There's no "magic" involved.
>>39254555Nothing is really paranormal if you're aware of it. Neither occult if you understand it.
>>39254555we understand perfectly well how demons work. god sends them to earth from the kingdom of heaven to torment you if you don't masturbate
>>39254555There's a consensus to determine what's normal, in the case of the paranormal that consensus is scientific, if mainstream science can't offer answers yet then it's paranormal.
>>39254591Science is so far behind and it makes me sad knowing most people cling to it as if it's all there is.
>>39254555We understand how all of those things work very well actually, it's called Christianity.
>>39254597I said mainstream science, which is the only one you and i have access to in any reliable way.
>>39254624Jewish nonsense
>>39254625I'm saying science in general.
>>39254655Then, like i said, you don't know that. Can't really judge what you don't know, and you don't know the full extent of what human science really looks like.
>>39254639>Every other traditional is potentially true >BESIDES THAT ONE I DON'T LIKE THAT ONE FUCK YOU FUCK YOUOk rock worshipper. Remember, the most pagan thing you can do is convert.
>>39254674you worship a kike
>>39254555>There's no "magic" involved.There is, it's just part of the universe we may understand with time as well. It's kinda annoying how magic has to be something always nebulous. Nah, one day those normal things you mention may be understood and also the principles of their interaction with the world - magic. Then it will become science, but I don't think it means that somehow it wasn't involved.
>>39254555Does it make a difference?
>>39254681Magic will never stop existing, it will just be replaced by new terms displaying slightly different metrics. No matter how far science advances the core of existence keeps being ineffable and paradoxical, that's a barrier that can't be crossed by our idea of science. In order to grasp it we would need to reach a point in which we're not even a species anymore by our current standards.Until then the ineffable and paradoxical will always be relegated to philosophy/esotericism, science always draws from these in order to advance, but they'll never become one.
>>39254676You worship rocks. You dead matter. My God lives. Your's passes, like all things in this fallen world. When you pass as well,>You're JewishWill not be the combination of words your creator will be interested in hearing from you, nor will they likely be the first words that you will feel compelled to say.
>>39254712what a weird projection you amerigolem nigger. I don't worship anything. In fact, you don't have to worship anything, you don't have to be labeled like cattle. LmaoYahweh and his kike son aren't creators of anything.
>>39254720Larpagan now pretending to be a gaytheist
>>39254740what did I say about labelization you dumb Amerigolem? Your primitive basedfed goyslopfed brain can't process that someone may simply not give a shit about any of that Jewish crap. hilarious
>>39254712you worship a Jewish storm diety and a 30 year old jewish virgin killed by other jews for blaspheming against said storm diety. you grovel and beg and suffer for the jews retard christianity is watered down Judaism for goyims simple mind
>>39254700>that's a barrier that can't be crossed by our idea of scienceAnd with developments that idea will change as well. It was so before when even what they've considered science was full of bullshit - no doubt that barring some global cataclysm it will be similarly with how we see it in the future. Things refine themselves.
>>39254790New answers (science) will create new questions (magic), this is the dynamic that i'm saying will never disappear no matter how far science advances or how much it changes.
>>39254808With underlying principles understood better, the less needs to be explained by magic. You see a proof of it together, where new questions in regards to pursued fields aren't being framed in terms of magic anymore and only old yet still not answered ones remain as such. Even things associated with spiritual, like a concept of different dimensions, is nowadays looked at more from the standpoint of science or sci-fi than occultism and fantasy by an average person.
>>39254850>You see a proof of it togetheralready*, dunno why it turned into "tugether" - must have been magic!
>>39254555“But can I have sex with them?” Just had to add that pithy bullshit comment because half the board probably is thinking it. I’m unsure if humans will understand them perfectly. In many ways they can’t understand us. Both us and them cannot really fill each other’s shoes so to speak. >>39254565This. It’s all science from a certain point of view. >>39254591Sadly this.>hmmm where’s ur prooooof noob??>a ritual? It always works?? But it doesn’t when I doooo it!>>39254597It is a limited aspect of knowledge. It’s important to know as it helps us solve problems within this illusion. As the age of Ahriman heats up we will see “science” get so stringent that all progress will eventually stop. >>39254624From a certain point of view. I recommend you astral project and talk to entities for the next five years and bring your conclusions back for the rest of us and see how those findings will stack up against your Christianity comment. >>39254639Some of them are slaves to the enslavers of humanity but their magical technologies have kept western occultism going for a long time, much of “their” magic is actually Mesopotamian and Egyptian. >>39254700>Magic will never stop existing it will just be replaced by new terms True. Just within the last 100 years the vocabulary and meaning of occultism has changed significantly like any facet of language. If theoretical physics is ever allowed to be unbogged then we will see new terms and “technologies” come about that will be very understandable for occultists.
>>39254850There is certainly an ineffable element in consciousness/existence and that will always remain magic, and by extension its peripheral elements that work closely/directly under this ineffable dynamic. The elements to be explored and measured by science are already spotted and labeled as metaphysics, but what's ineffable and paradoxical today won't stop being ineffable and paradoxical tomorrow. Logic doesn't work there, only insight, this is why philosophy and esotericism cover those elements and science doesn't.
I am a materialist magician. I think its best not to worry about semantics. You could call what I do "applied psychology" or "weaponized beliefs" or whatever but magic seems to be the easiest way to say it.
>>39254879Your definition of science may be kinda iffy. Already similar stuff considered "ineffable and paradoxical" starts to fall under various fields of science and as understanding of underlying principles of reality improves, so does understanding of what stems from it. Even insight is based on certain logical connections. The mechanism of some things may or may not be obtuse, but certinty of its existence and understanding of its role grows. Even philosophy, stripped of subjective perceptions and opinions is based upon principles and logical connections and there are fields of so-called "soft" science exploring such. I see no problem with more fields, including magic, someday becoming such (likely under some really pretentious name and with shitloads of unnecessary terms coined by self-important professors). I mean, we already see it since quite a while and by standards of merely a few hundred years ago, we are already a civilization of miracle-working wizards.The proof is in how even those subjective perceptions change. You see it in every day, not many explain phenomena they don't understand as magic anymore. So even if some of those phenomena remain, for average person magic won't be there anymore or will have to change form as well.
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>>39254555Damn, is that high res XRA?
>>39254597CIA already has scientific papers on remote viewing, astral projection, other dimensional beings etc.
We live in a tube of electric energy
maybe . gg / zzxb4vUk26
>>39254555Checked. I like this take. I never liked the word "supernatural". I believe everything is natural (by definition), and if anything seems "super"natural, it just means our understanding of nature is lacking.
>>39263323...and I believe nature needs to include nonphysical reality which is something modern (strictly materialistic) science refuses to do.
