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“Dare to believe in the reality of your assumption and watch the world play its part relative to to its fulfillment.”

Neville Goddard

Anons! Your challenge today is to be aware of one of your limiting beliefs. You don't even have to change it for today's challenge, just be aware.

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Been struggling with manifestation, have tried some scripting stuff now hoping to get small results (Free food today, things like that).
Would you recommend trying to meditate on the things I'm manifesting, if i've been struggling with SATs and managing to go to sleep while focusing on them? I think my difficulty is managing to get into a trance-state, I always feel super aware of the things around me and struggle to focus on what I'm manifesting. Anybody else have experience with meditation for manifesting?

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/LoA/ is just another spiritual practice, but it's essentially the only spiritual practice that matters, because is the truth, and the path to freedom. Life is all about faith and choices.

With that said, /LoA/ is the purpose or the goal, but the practice in itself is meditation. If you have read Murphy, Neville and Universal Line documents, you would know that meditation is the sole spiritual practice that would be doing most of the time for manifestation; in order to expand your awareness, dissolve the ego, or essentially, just get any block out of the way, and unite with your spiritual eye. Meditation in this context is paramount because is made with a purpouse, becoming the greatest spiritual exercise you will have in your life, and in this context, meditation and prayer are the same thing.

I reccomend the following books in the following order to master meditation and acquire great foundation for bigger manifestation skills:
>A Guide to Tranquil Wisdom Insight Meditation, by Bhante Vimalaramsi
>Initiation into Hermetics, by Franz Bardon
>A Course In Miracles, by Inner Peace Foundation
>Course on Universal Law, by Walter Russell

After that, Neville and Paolucci would do. I selected those books because you will be doing and making stuff happen most of the time, and as you archieve progress as you go, you would finally understand Neville and the others from experience. The most important thing a rookie should understand, is that this is a practice as any other, just as working out, so get into action. I hope this helps someone along the way.

>>39518626
I can’t do it anon.
Every time I look in the mirror I see my receding hairline and it crushes my belief. I imagine the follicles regrowing but the mirror wins.

>>39518676
Meditation is not worth doing and simply empties the mind. You talk of dissolving the ego?Worthless. I am here to achieve things and I want things from LoA/. Meditation will not help.
I don’t think this is the right way.

>>39518735
Lots of Anons doing occult or quasi-spiritual practices get caught up in the "enlightenment" show off game. As someone who is enlightened, feel free to ignore that and the people harping on it and enjoy your manifests.

All of that other stuff comes by itself as you fulfill your desires. No rush or force is needed. We all get to the same place at the end regardless of how we choose to do it.

>>39518780
Based Lilanon achiever.

>>39518567
i am manifesting a kikeburner.com

>>39518720
>I can't do it
Yes you can!

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>>39518735
>Meditation is not worth doing and simply empties the mind.
Well, it was worth doing for me, for sure. Void meditation is only one way to meditate. But you can do all sort of stuff like deep visualization, mindfullness of the body, relaxation and mental control. Even the "scientific" approach to /LoA/ reccomend meditation such as Jose Silve.
> I am here to achieve things and I want things from LoA/.
That's the point, that's what i tried to say... Anyway, don't worry about it, because
>I don’t think this is the right way.
And that's fine, because you can do this in any way you want, in any way you feel comfortable doing. I read the user triumphantgeorge after seeing it mentioned in a lot of other posts around these threads, and he felt the same, that a direct approach was more of his speed (Throught understanding and any action). In that case, maybe you his post of his really useful:
https://old.reddit.com/r/DimensionalJumping/comments/38c3yk/how_to_jump_between_dimensions/

Remember that there is not a "right way" of doing things when it comes to this, only the way you like the most and works for you. The one i posted is what worked for me, but feel free to explore. In your case, maybe the books by the following author could help in a more proactive approach:

>Aidan Wachter

Anyway, every other system will lead eventually to Neville and UL i think. Faith and choice.
https://www.reddit.com/r/Oneirosophy/comments/2hesk3/just_decide/?utm_source=reddit&utm_medium=usertext&utm_name=DimensionalJumping&utm_content=t3_38c3yk

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>>39518780
>Lots of Anons doing occult or quasi-spiritual practices get caught up in the "enlightenment" show off game.

Not really, at least not in my case. Im only interested in what's practical. But also, if you have read neville (i don't think that's the case as far as i see...) and murphy, you will know that they reccomend it. Here's neville lecture about it:
https://coolwisdombooks.com/neville/neville-goddard-radio-lectures-4-meditation/

And for Murphy, refer to his first book.

>As someone who is enlightened

Well, for someone that doesn't like "show offs" you trully soaked your shoes there. Anyway, about that other point...

>feel free to ignore that and the people harping on it and enjoy your manifests.

Absolutely, feel free to engange in ideas that attract you the most, is not about methods, but understanding of what makes your experience happens, as i said, is all about choice and faith. But i think the "cargo cult" attitude you have there is not constructive, and is okay to provide other tools in order to archieve the goal.

>>39518780
It's also worth noticing that men like Neville and Murphy started having spiritual practices, that lead them to their conclusion. Is worth exploring until you "get it" and understand. Revelation by itself is hard to put into words, but you got to experience it and you will understand your world.

>>39518814
I appreciate the advice anon and based cat poster.

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>>39518780
>>39518790
Im starting to think that this guy is a bot. Nothing it says adds up and there is always a comment following up behind to bump further the thread and derail discussion to explore the topic further. As the other guy pointed out, he doesn't even read neville. It's safe to say, that 99% of the posters here haven't read the material, even less practiced it.

I remember that couple of anons back in the day, those from the pdfs and they came from other systems to offer more pragmatic approach (It all leads to neville, but other complements added up to yield results). This lack of diligence leads to misunderstading and dogmatism. Not so useful for learning i think. Anyway, i suspect also because the name have two trips attached to it, look up previous threads. Maybe is a fed, a chill, idk what's his deal.

>>39518814
>Faith and choice.

This is it. This is what makes everything "works". You decide and outcome, and just keep faithful to the outcome, indifferent of what you see that states the contrary. Universal Line is basically this, you just do whatever you want in any way you like to archieve whatever you decide to have or become. This is what makes any "system" work imo. But i also agree with that you have go ahead and do it.

>>39518567
>Do the Ladder Experiment
>>3rd Process
Letting it go. Forget and do not think about climbing a ladder, do not go out your way to find a ladder or look for it. Let it happen naturally. If it doesn’t happen after a week, repeat the process again.

Why do you need to let go?
Let's say I:
>do the steps thinking about having an affair with a married woman who hated me
>she, who never talked to me when we crossed paths, started greeting me and messing with her hair seductively
>I influenced my subconscious in such a way that everytime I see her or think about her, which happens constantly, my brain says: "That is your affair. You 2 constantly have sex with each other."
So now I should try to push these thoughts away and forget about it?
Explain.

>>39518832
>Not really
We get them all the time in this thread. You may not have meant to come across that way, but you did. Even calling LoA a spiritual practice is a little pushy- all you are learning is how to be yourself.

>you will know that they reccomend it
Feel free to recommend anything you want to help Anons on, but that's not what you did:

>>39518676
>With that said, /LoA/ is the purpose or the goal, but the practice in itself is meditation
>becoming the greatest spiritual exercise you will have in your life

>Well, for someone that doesn't like "show offs" you trully soaked your shoes there
I didn't receive enlightenment willingly, nothing to show off there. I merely mention it because the number of people who talk about enlightenment and related subjects in the manner that you did almost never have firsthand experience.

The Anons that wish to avoid that for the time being are wise to do so.

>is okay to provide other tools
Provide, not push. Great that it worked for you. Say so. You are still walking the path.

>>39518894
I read a bit of Neville and have been trying the SATs stuff but been struggling, would you recommend meditation as a good alternative, similar to how Neville describes prayer?

>>39518676
UL isn't about meditation. The ten minute technique is just a crutch jp offers until your manifests appear instantly, when your faith in the one fact is absolute.

>>39518894
hmmm, everything is possible after all.
maybe he's someone who's just passionate about the law like everyone here and wants to help other anons.
you know you should "always see the best/good in everyone" like Neville teaches, should you not?

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As someone who recently learned about Neville Goddard after "accidently" manifesting a high paying job without never having heard about the Law of Manifestation, yet acting as one who did, have applied it to a hobby of mine: candid videos.
Before, every time I spotted a woman with a sexy body, before I even thought about taking my phone out of my pocket, she instantly disappeared out of my sight, as if feeling what I was about to do.
It was too coincidental so I convinced myself it was the hardest thing ever and that the universe was conspiring against me.
After I convinced my subconscious of the opposite, I started seeing sexy women around me all the time.
Never once in my life I saw so many sexy women around me, which solidify my belief in the law and made me ready to aim for more important and greater things.
That said, I wish to know more about it. Where should I start?
I have listened to some Neville Goddard's lessons on youtube.
Are there any other serious people who also talk about it?
Do we have access to Abdulah through someone else or just through Neville's? Is it another Socrates/Plato situation?
What books, channels and media do you recommend me to further my studies?
Is there any secret society who shares this belief?
I heard the Rosicrucians do, but I'm not entirely certain.

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>>39518894
>It's safe to say, that 99% of the posters here haven't read the material
That's correct, especially the people who say they've read all of it. I used to take Anons at their word back in the day but now I look at it with a bit of skepticism.

I had to read some Neville to refute the people who were claiming to know it and were giving bad advice here. His stuff is good but since the concept is so simple he is having to restate over and over in different ways.

> i suspect also because the name have two trips attached to it
You're new here, aren't you? The reason I use a Trip at all is because the resident trolls pretend to be me. It's hilarious.

>idk what's his deal
Of course not- how are you suppose to recognize someone who knows what they are talking about when you are not proficient at it?

>>39518919
>I read a bit of Neville and have been trying the SATs stuff but been struggling
SATS is a great technique but it's not the only technique, or even the only one Neville taught.

Where are you having trouble in your SATS experience?

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I'm not a specialist in this, but based on what I studied so far and have experienced in my own life, as a tip for those trying to manifest things that seem out of reach to your current reality, start by convincing your rational mind first that they are possible.
It will help to prevent intrusive thoughts.
For example:
>you want to manifest an attractive woman or a specific person
>you think you are not good enough for it
>search for cases where ugly man, with no money, charisma or social status, got together with a hot woman
An example?
There was a case of a beggar in Brazil who fucked a fitness woman who was married to a bodybuilder.
He got beaten by the bodybuilder once he found out, but lately became famous due to the absurdity of the situation.
Apparently, the woman was a bit nuts and was convinced that god wanted her to make the beggar happy.
See? These things are possible!
Therefore, you simply need to manifest that one of these possible scenarios is already happening to you, by feeling as if already did.
It's not like you are manifesting a huge dragon flying over New York during Christmas eve!
How will it happen? Does it really matter?
It's not for you to know.
Will she be crazy? Will she have a fetish for people like you? Will she fall in love because of who you are?
None of this matter. All that it matters is the result.

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>>39518959
>I have listened to some Neville Goddard's lessons
Check the Library- try Neville's first few books and see how it feels. There are some errors there, he was still learning at the time, but for the most part he was speaking well to the concepts you need.

>Are there any other serious people who also talk about it?
We have a few good resources here. I was working on getting specialists in each type of manifestation technique here until there was an active push to get all of us to quit or be banned.

Keep in mind though that you can manifest your teaching resources, or if you get advanced enough you can just look around the world and see it playing out.

You are the secret ingredient.

>Is there any secret society who shares this belief?
Everything works off of LoA. When you see the guy killing chickens in the Caribbean, or the guy drawing runes in Norway, or the witch making a love potion, this is what's doing it. They believe it works, so it does.

It's so simple that those same people may not/frequently don't see that.

>after "accidently" manifesting a high paying job without never having heard about the Law of Manifestation
Congratulations! You know this works even when you don't know the rules. That's why it's the Law. In some ways it's harder now that you know about it because you may second guess yourself, but this is yours now. Believe the life you wish to live.

>>39518919
Im not the anon with the cats but, sure, why not? Anyway, i always saw SATS as a visualization technique, that's all, the only thing is that you drop off dead to sleep so its ingrained in your mind. The truth is that life is a dream, and doing that would be a way to merging the 4D with 3D (or some shit like that). Also, don't say that you can't visualize because you do it all the time, because you won't be able to remember or recall details of the things you see if that wasn't the case, think about the way you navigate your memories. Anyway, the cat posted Initiation into hermetics, maybe it can interest you, shitload of exercises. Anyway, a suggestion would be: Don't become a methodcuck, understand what's going on, and decide how would you do it. Read TriumphantGeorge.

Also, a good way to handle the chills is really simple:
>Don't engange with people with doubts or implanting doubts, only with people actually doing shit

In any general would you see more doubt and sceptics than this one, is like and allergy to improve oneself. If you see in the archives, you see how every people that did the law, posted conclusions and fucked off were proactive people. Become a man of action, engange with others proactive workers, is fastest this way. The only difference between the failures and accomplishments in these threads is determination.

>>39518959
>Is there any secret society who shares this belief?
Don't know any "secret society" but the Oneirosophy subreddit would interest you. What you're looking for is the idealist school of thought. I reccomend you read George Berkley Three Dialogues to get a gist of it. Outside of that, look up non dualism, it may be of interest for you: Is the notion that you and the world around you are one, and this is the worldview in which LoA operates on.

As suggested in the previous thread I'd like to try sigils. I don't get the cumming part, can I watch a p0rn video in order to get horny, and then cum while looking at my sigil, or do I have to masturbate looking at the sigil from start to finish (no p0rn video) ?
thanks (serious question)

Having lots of trouble visualizing while in a drowsy state.

Whether I'm falling asleep, get myself there through meditation or zone out on public transport, as soon as I start to visualize what I desire, I immediately jerk myself awake. I'm not sure how to both visualize, fully immerse myself, while staying in that state.
Any advice?

>>39519005
Mostly I struggle to keep the loop going without my mind wandering away from the visualized desires, and I don't remember falling asleep to know if I was continuing to imagine the desired reality all the way to the moment I slept.

>>39519076
Makes sense, I was going to try some other methods like robotic affirmations or scripting just to see if I get any better results, thanks anons

>>39519087
You're going to need to find a chaos magick resource to consult on that. That's off topic for this thread and yes, it got bad about that yesterday.

I used to practice chaos magick but the short time I did sigils I simply associated what I wanted with the symbol and believed it was working. My peers always wondered at me, since I couldn't seem to follow the formula but still get results. After I was taught the power of belief it all made sense.

>>39519064
>Everything works off of LoA. When you see the guy killing chickens in the Caribbean, or the guy drawing runes in Norway, or the witch making a love potion, this is what's doing it. They believe it works, so it does.
That's interesting because I do see this principle in many religions, such as:
>christianit
"Truly I tell you, if anyone says to this mountain, ‘Go, throw yourself into the sea,’ and does not doubt in their heart but believes that what they say will happen, it will be done for them."
Mark 11:23
>asian philosofy:
"The Tao never interferes, yet everything is accomplished through it. The world is governed by natural laws, and by aligning with these laws, we can achieve great things."
>and even popular sayings
Where I live common folk usually say:
"Be careful with what you declare, for if an angel passes by and says 'Amen', it becomes reality."
"Positive thoughts attract positive things; negative thoughts attract negative things."

>>39518894
You will respect our infinite king and his ultimate wisdom.

>>39518567
I will try the ladder experiment today but can someone explain to me whats the point of the notes saying "I will not climb a ladder?" and to read them during the day?
Would it be better to just not think about it?
Isn't the point to put on your unconscious to case your desire but why deny it during the day?

>>39519144
>Mostly I struggle to keep the loop going without my mind wandering away from the visualized desires
Practice during the day, run your mental scene and allow yourself to enjoy the experience. Don't make this into work/a job. Once you have it firmly in mind you can do it easily as you drift off to sleep.

You also don't need to do it for long- a few minutes should be sufficient. If you need longer than 20 you should do another session or re-evaluate your resistance to the manifest.

>and I don't remember falling asleep to know if I was continuing to imagine the desired reality all the way to the moment I slept
Neville recommends this but it's not required. It could be a bonus if that prompts you to dream about it and reinforce your belief but once the manifest is set there is nothing more needed. You should get that as you visualize so it should not be necessary.

Serious question: why is imagination less vivid than the 3d?

>>39519194
>but can someone explain to me whats the point of the notes saying "I will not climb a ladder?" and to read them during the day?
I don't recommend this as a first exercise. You are doing everything you can to resist climbing a ladder after you manfested it- you will be forced to anyway. This teaches you that once you manifest something, nothing you do afterward can stop it(other than manifesting it away).

This addresses many of the newbie fears you'll see in this thread. "I'm doubting! Bros, it's not coming!" No amount of self talk or doubts will stop it. "What if I'm not in the right place at the right time and it's gone forever?" Nope, the ladder know where you live, so do all of your other manifests.

>>39519327
>No amount of self talk or doubts will stop it
this is not true. I've ruined manifestation in the past by negative self talk. Up until that failure I also thought that if you feel it 'done' then nothing can stop it.

>>39519312
imagination requires training.
my imagination is as vivid as a porno.
actually scrap that last part,and don't watch porn.

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>>39509546
>Having zero success with SATS is odd, and that means you're doing it wrong.
I decided to switch visualization during SATS for listening to the whispered affirmation I myself recorded on loop and boom: first night, I get a dream in which she kisses me after a very realistic progression of events.

Now I'm 100% sure it's done and can drop it for good with no regrets, because my dreams are almost always extremely unrealistic, full of fictional characters, superpowers, etc, and the few realistic ones I have tend to be prophetic. For instance, I recently dreamed a guy tried to mugged me in a specific way and that someone I know lost their job and both of these happened in the 3D shortly thereafter.

Also, I can feel it's done and I'm in the Sabbath now. Thanks a lot, anon, talking to you made me realize something wasn't working indeed.

>>39515554
>sounds to me like you made a tulpa of her, which then got jealous of the real version of her
Well, it's hard to categorically affirm that something is or isn't the case with these types of extremely subjective experiences, but I'm more inclined to interpret it was guidance from the subconscious/God/universe/whatever floats your boat, because at that point I really needed to give the 3D a rest. I could clearly tell that my subconscious mind was full of what was happening in the 3D and now that I haven't seen her in the 3D for quite a while, my dreams have started to reflect my 4D again.

>>39515559
>Again, this also applies to not THINKING about her.
>You do your manifesting technique, then you stop thinking about it. Just let it go, and trust that it will happen.
Yeah, right now it's definitely the time to let go and go occupy myself with other things and manifestations, now I'm 100% sure. Thanks, everyone.

>It would have happened anyway
How do you respond?

>>39519149
Thanks, I read some reddit threads about sigils and it seems there are many ways to use them or charge them. I'll do some experiments and see how it goes.
It's still cool to share methods, even if they are not strictly LOA they still concern manifestation. Since peple here struggle with Neville it's always good to have multiple ressource to get it done. SATS is also a method, scripting too, etc. Sigils is another one.

What is weird with sigils is you only make them once, set an intention, cum, and that's it.
With SATS you have to do countless sessions day after day.
Efficiency ratio seems to be in favor of sigils.

I DEMAND a tutorial on how to operate this Law from whoever put me in this reality.

>>39519750
Yeah that was me. I put you here to increase suffering. Sorry about that.
I don’t think I’m obliged to give you a tutorial but ok, I’ll reveal the secrets to you now.
So it goes like this
>just believe bro.

>>39519842

believe in what, in who?

>>39519648
That's how it's supposed to work.

>>39519925
Just believe in your desired outcome. You have it all already. Just assume.

>>39519680
>It's still cool to share methods, even if they are not strictly LOA they still concern manifestation
Occult doesn't equal manifestation. We are trying to do it cleanly here, and there are good reasons for that. Anons get stuck on things like "Semen makes it work!" when that's not the truth of it.

If there is not an /omg/ thread someone should make one again, there is clearly enough interest, if not people to teach it properly, here to make it work.

>>39519709
>With SATS you have to do countless sessions day after day.
Why do you assume that?

>>39518959
Are you saying you manifested by thinking it could not happen? Basically the universe gives you what you don't want?

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Thank you for showing me that all of my issues have been resolved.

>>39520697
What? When did I say that?

Redpill me on the Hemi-Sync files contained in the Library.
I’ve heard about the Gateway Experience and its use for unlocking abilities like remote viewing and other skills valued by the CIA.
However, how do these files relate to the LoA, and what’s the most effective way to use them?

>>39520784
Oh sorry about that I misread your post

>>39520916
>valued by the CIA
Red flag

Question: If we can manifest things for ourselves, can we manifest things for everyone? Something like "make the aliens finally reveal themselves" type of shit?

>>39518894
>crying about a trip poster
How much of a dumbfuck are you? You know you can just not read their posts or even just filter them completely

Ok, let's say I believe this can be done. How do I get a harem of women that provide for me so I can sit around playing Vidya all day whilst they rotate sucking my dick?

My mind is at ease. I have no worries. I am that I am. I have what I want. I live in the end!

>>39521485
>Ok, let's say I believe this can be done
Try it. Read posts and library materials, ask questions if you get stuck.

I love that guy. Back in 2016-17 I pm-ed him on reddit and he was so kind, compassionate and wise.
I often go to his profile and read random comments, it is a treasure.
Forever grateful for his kindness.


While being grateful, I feel like mentioning that one other australian guy. I don't remember how or where I read about his discord channel and how good he is in explaining LOA. So I went there, pm-ed him and he, also was so kind and compassionate and eager to read my ramblings and help me.


I remember he said he wants to hear me out but prefer to talk instead of type so I typed my questions and he answered with that perfect aussie accent ...


Anyway, australian LOA guy who used to help people for free on discord if you read this - thank you so much, it meant a lot for me in that time of my life to feel that there is somebody willing to help me.

Shortly after my pc stop working that is why I lost his discord name or url.

Eventually things got better.

In that bad time of my life besides Neville's teachings I practiced gratitude lists - literally writing down everything I'm grateful (by everything I mean food on table, drinking water, bed to sleep in - everything seemingly small)
and raising my vibration by listening to ester hicks videos on yt

(one night I dreamed hyper realistic dream about Neville it was like I literally met him)

>>39521819
Triumphant George i was
writing about him in the 1st paragraph.

>>39519064
>I was working on getting specialists in each type of manifestation technique here
what are the types of manifestation techniques? is there a small list, or is it just an infinite variety?

reposting from last thread

>>39516420
>I'm meditating almost daily, mental diet, all that, trying to get to the root of it.
do you feel worthy of happiness? Are you worthy of love?
If so, then say that loudly and proudly. Deep down to your core. This is probably what the problem is (or something related).
The way I test this is to say whatever thing, that might be bothering me, but the opposite. Let's say I dislike my family. Then I will say "My family is great. My family really helps me." If I can say that with a straight face and no weird tone in my voice, then that might mean I actually believe it. If I laugh at that, or say it in a weird way, then that means I don't believe it.
But don't I want it to be true? So I say it again, and again. It will become more obvious that I don't believe it. It will become forced and awkward and it will become clear that on a deep subconscious level I can't accept this positive statement. Then I know what the problem is.
Or I just say it, it comes out normally, nothing feels weird. Or if I keep saying it, if just feels good. And I keep repeating the positive message and it just feels better and more true and good, and I'm like "Yeah, that's true! Isn't that wonderful?" and feel great. That means you believe it and feel good about it.
Keep going at this with intensity. "I deserve love" "I am worthy of happiness" "I deserve nice things" "I get what I want" "My desires are fulfilled" etc
Maybe you'll feel better, maybe something will feel different. Maybe something will bubble up from underneath the surface (which is maybe your complex about not deserving happiness or whatever). At which point, you will feel worse (because duh, you're bring up some negative shit here) and then if you navigate those waters (many things can happen here) you will feel better.
And that false image will become weaker. Over time it will go away more and more.
Then you won't think you don't "deserve" things.

>>39519312
>Serious question: why is imagination less vivid than the 3d?
it can be more vivid than 3D, depending on skill level, natural talent, and how deep into a trance you go
More real than real

>>39519476
>Thanks, everyone.
Good luck! you'll figure it out

>>39519648
>>It would have happened anyway
>How do you respond?
if you line up enough improbable events, the odds that they were all "random" but somehow lined up with your intention becomes, what, 1 in a million?
One in a billion?
At a certain point, you have to admit they aren't random events. You are actually making them happen with your mind.

>>39522011
There's more than this, but I was able to get some Anons here willing to teach:
-Affirmations
-SATS
-Scripting
-Subliminals

I help with Affirmations, SATS, self-hypnosis and delving.

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>>39521819
It is me again, i rarely post I'm desperately bad at posting, quoting in here - sorry.

Anyways, wanted to share more, back in the day 2016 - things were bad, europoor rock bottom bad. No smart phone, pc dying and believe it or not, my speakers were working on and off I had to plug and unplug from pc tower to make it work - life was a mess.
And then I got to this discord channel and that nice austalian guy types that he is willing to help but prefers to record answers instead of typing and my speakers work on and off. I'm literally sobbing while typing to him about it - I remember he said something about me creating even that blockage for me...(writing this to illustrate how bad things were)

What I did, 1st acceptance of current station, its bad but it can be changed
2nd gratefulness lists upon lists of stuff (most people write journal I just created list on bunch of pieces of paper)
3rd rising vibration reading Neville. Listening to Ester Hicks

Neville "the end of longing is being" - that resonated with me.
I was longing, yearning, craving, pining for that lifestyle, that person, that money, that everything that wasn't there. I felt like drowning in longing.
But then I realized the end of longing is being - meaning you have to become that person first, at least content person.. You have to feel it.

Small tips and tricks:
-when feeling bad just thing in general (if you cant think happy thoughts)

-know that what you want is already yours just takes time to manifest in physical,
the fact that you have that desire means it is already in your reality

-when visualizing visualize you hold that what you want in your hand (look at your hand at first then visualize)

-use "wouldn't be great to...." with joy, with ease, naturally

-when in fear practice gratitude, cant feel fear and gratitude at the same time

Neville "signs fallow the do not precede" - if you ask for a sign and you got it, its done - your manifestation is already heare

>>39522011
>>39522067

Doesn't it all just come down to
>impress your mind with the belief of your desire coming true

Or at most, if you expand on it:
>get in a hypnagogic state
>impress the idea
>forget about it

Rituals, SATS, sigils, affirmations, are all variants of this

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>>39522011
hope this one is visible pic
there are so many info graphics and visual stuff online
it is fun to explore and try different stuff

>>39519395
Brother how? And how long to train it? Do you need to shut down the mind with meditation/relaxation beforehand always or are you able to see vividly any time? Are you able to feel things physically? I have so many ideas I need to see a HQ porno of kek

>>39522156
>Doesn't it all just come down to
>>impress your mind with the belief of your desire coming true
I can simplify it even more- decide that a thing is true on a deep level and it is.

The mistake most Anons make at this is thinking that if they think they "fully believe it," it's enough. This is actually true if you have very low resistance to the thing you are manifesting, but it's universally false here because you would not be in thread talking about it unless you were resisting it strongly.

>>39522251
I love that one, Anon™ used to post it now and then as a reminder :)

>>39522266
Not that person but

visualize from your point of view
not like playing video games, not like watching a movie

don't visualize seeing yourself doing from the distance, visualize doing it

example, eating an apple

do:visualize apple in your hand, getting close to your mouth, biting it, feeling its skin and sweet flesh, smell of it

dont: visualize yourself from a distance seeing yourself sitting in front of monitor slouching lol, like watching video record of it

>>39518567
people have been promoting joseph murphy here. what are his best books, especially for a beginner?
to sort of get what he's trying to say

>>39522067
>There's more than this, but I was able to get some Anons here willing to teach:
>-Affirmations
>-SATS
>-Scripting
>-Subliminals
What else would you add to that list, if you could find other people to teach stuff?

>>39518567
What are the limits on what you can do? Can I help myself only or can I change the world?

>>39522251
oh cool. I just found the txt version of the in the mega library
that image is more handy for sure

>>39522351
Thank you Anon. Did you get it to look lifelike?

>>39518567
Is it possible to make monster girls real? Asking for a friend

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I attract anyone I want. It is very easy to get sex and attention.

>>39518567
Listening to the Earl Nightingale compilations put together by Gravemind literally changed my life

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I have given up

>>39523189
>Listening to the Earl Nightingale compilations put together by Gravemind literally changed my life
post it

I feel like there was a shift of consciousness before and after 2020, and one of the things that fell away was a loose community of people who did get the law. Lila from Nevillution was one of those people, and so was Edward from Reddit and later his Edward Art YouTube channel.
I encourage you to look them up. They have two very different styles, but they really get Neville (and at least one of them built their whole current life out of that understanding).
If you're not going to read to Neville directly, which is what you should actually do, listen to one of them.

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>>39518780
>As someone who is enlightened

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>>39518780
>As someone who is enlightened

>>39523198
good for you anon, it'll take a while to de-program your mind from this BS but it can be done

If YOU have actually gotten something meaningful from this, how? Really, how? Replicate it. I am sure you manifested somethings, but I am not so sure you know how you did it.

>>39523509
>>39523528
These hideous trolls dare to disrespect our enlightened master. He shows us the way and evil like this rises up to try and prevent the knowledge being used.
Jesus had times like this.

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>>39518894
>>39518991
I see what you mean, dante-anon. He even kinda talks like a robot and just says generic cookie cutter mumbo jumbo + a sometimes relevant quote.

How to stop ridiculous intrusive thoughts? When I imagine walking the world starts to spin. When I hold a tennis ball the lines on it constantly fluctuate.

>>39523632
This sounds like an actual medical condition and not intrusive thoughts.

>>39523586
There is something powerful about saying you refuse this dream.

>>39523646
No, sometimes the imagining goes smoothly. Besides, I don't feel dizzy or anything like that in day to day life.

>>39523586
I'm in the process of reverse engineering my successes with the Law. The weird thing is that I manifested things many would consider big yet it STILL haven't clicked for me. I do not understand why it sometimes just simply doesn't werk.

>>39523686
Could it be.
RANDOM CHANCE.
After all of it’s not reliably reproducible with the same methods it could be.

>>39523686
When it hasn't worked for me it's because I was trying to do it on an artificial level. It should be done on a true level.

>>39523686
remove the sometimes and you'd get closer to the truth

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>>39523567
I never have up

>>39523691
>>39523748
There is no way back for me to common rational approach to life, too many wonderful things happened because of loa. I'm not going to brush it off now.

>>39523707
You might be onto something. What would be the key difference between artificial and true level?

>>39523797
An artificial level would be something like give me money nao. A true level would be something where you feel it in your heart and soul and there is an urgent need for it.

So as you know Neville liked to drink which later in his life seemingly caused health issues and maybe even his death.
Neville used to try all of the fads when he was younger (stop drinking, vegetarian, semen retention and so on) Until he met Abdullah who seemingly was not affected by alcohol he could drink as much as he wanted without ever having any health problems (probably because he assumed that alcohol wasn't lethal to him).
Abdullah told Neville to give up his fads and to start living. So why did Alcohol then affect Neville's health yet not Abdullah's if both of them assumed alcohol to be harmless to them?
Some people say that in his last years Neville saw no point in continuing to live because he had taught all he wanted to teach and was basically bored of this existence and therefore he basically manifested his own death which then played out in alcohol related damage to the body.

I am a big titty magnet. Big booba women swarm to me. Big titties smother me constantly. I can't get enough of big titties.

>>39523810
I think you might be right unfortunately. Whenever I was in dire need of something it never failed me (even when the SATS was half-assed). This suggests that it in fact is not a Law but "you imagine having something and the Source/Inner man/Universe/ MAYBE grants it" kind of thing.

>>39523828
How do you know Abdullah did not die of liver failure?

>>39523828
>and therefore he basically manifested his own death
bro straight up went for one of the more gruesome ways to die then, why didn't he manifest a fatal heart attack while sleeping?

>>39523922
I can't be sure but as far as I'm aware Abdullah when Neville met Abduallh he was already in his 80s and one day he went back to Ethiopia to die but by then he was already over a 100 years old that doesn't seem like a sick man to me.

>>39523939
I really have no idea.
This seems to be his death certificate https://www.instagram.com/mitchhorowitz23/p/Ckdl7n_ODI_/

>>39523954
yeah, Horowitz dug it up
I'd attach a photo of what esophageal rupture looks like, but this isn’t an NSFW board

>>39523946
Completely unverified.
Neville may well have been doing what Neville does a lot of. Exaggerating. The use of old and amazingly powerful teachers from far away lands was common to add mystique and it comes up again and again when trying to establish authority for mystical traditions.

>>39523858
For me it feels like a course correction on a dream. The main difference is that real life is stiffer than a dream and it takes more sustained pressure to change.

>>39522563
Sigils.
They dont require all this work.
Strangely they are dismissed by some people here.
Gate keeping probably.

>>39524211
>Sigils.
>They dont … work.
fixed that for you

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>>39518567
Why didn't they just sit around and imagine a more positive future without invading orc armies?

>>39523858
It has never been a law. People apply the rules and dont get same results as others. Not how a law works. Moreover nobody has been able to replicate their first success, which can just be attributed to randomness of life, or maybe yeah just God/universe deciding they would grant it or not.

>>39524232
Thank you, gate keeper.

>>39524246
they didn't believe hard enough

>>39524246
because they imagined an epic battle against the orc armies and defeating sauron.

>>39524211
>Sigils.
/omg/ material. Off topic.

They only work because of the Law anyway, so you're basically saying "complicate our thread so it's easier for people like me to accept. This has to be complicated for it to take less work."

>>39524248
>Moreover nobody has been able to replicate their first success
...What are you even talking about?

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looks like the shills are working in yuropoor hours, who knows maybe they are one of WEF's information warriors or whatever they were. welp i'm gonna go and be in the state now, see you in an hour or two.

>>39523686
>many would consider big yet it STILL haven't clicked for me
Don't worry, you are just being stubborn. My STEM background and normie behavior still asserts itself at times even after more than 10 years of building successes.

Keep in mind the more comfortable and successful you get manifesting the less relevance the 3d will have for you. Depending on what you consider important in your life, being proficient in LoA tends to take the things that make the 3d exciting away.

>>39523586
>how?
By believing sufficiently

>Really, how?
Your disbelief is irrelevant

>Replicate it
I do that frequently

>but I am not so sure you know how you did it
Why should it matter that you aren't sure? You don't practice it, and if you do, you are arguing in bad faith for malicious purposes

>>39523509
>>39523528
We have several in thread. The only weird thing here is that you think it's hard.

"Man fails to do the works of Jesus Christ because he attempts to accomplish them from his present level of consciousness. You will never transcend your present accomplishments through sacrifice and struggle. Your present level of consciousness will only be transcended as you drop the present state and rise to a higher level. You rise to a higher level of consciousness by taking your attention away from your present limitations and placing it upon that which you desire to be."

Neville Goddard

>>39524316
It did get shilly in here after the unexpected day off the other day.

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>>39524316
>yuropoor
my brother in Christ you're a Finnish NEET who needs to get approval from his handler to buy a RAM stick

I’m new to LoA and the paranormal in general. Reading this thread reminded me of something

When I was young, I used to regularly have this dream where I was in the forest by a lake with a girl. I don’t often remember dreams, but this one was always vivid. I could remember specific details about her skin, eyes, hair, etc. Now, 20 years later I am married to a woman who very well could be the girl I remember from those dreams. We were set up on a blind date by mutual friends and have been together since.

Either that’s one hell of a coincidence or there’s more to reality going on here. I have some questions:

- is this ethical?
- side effects? I assume the universe doesn’t like being manipulated
- if “I Am” God, how do I stay grounded in “reality”
- how do you discuss this with family/friends?

>>39523830
( Y )

Sigils are as much on topic as SATS, as a method to manifest.
Gatekeepers gonna gatekeep.

>>39524421
Lmao.
39524316 (not replying directly to this asshole)
Or the obvious answer. You just get more responses criticising an outrageous idea on a site which encourages losers like you. Manifest yourself out of here.
>>39524364
I think you just got less posters because it was over Christmas.
Believing that anyone would waste actual time and resources targeting this general? That’s nuts. Most of the content is in the OP anyway. It’s already posted every time.

>>39524663
you're clearly dedicating a lot of time and resources trying to derail our discussion.

>>39524575
Is it? How so? Sigils are completely magic and the techniques for LoA try to avoid second hand things like this.
This sort of thing comes around every few months. Astrology got pushed hard here for a few threads a while back by an anon who reckoned planets were importantly to LOA. Occasionallysome anons will try to force their religion of the month. Buddhism occasionally comes back as the primary technique and our dumbest trip tried to push Taoism before he took his ADHD meds and moved on to something else.
SManon went for techniques where your hand ends up raising by itself.
It’s not worth it anon, the sigils will just die off once you and whichever other anon (if there is one) gets bored of pushing off-topic techniques.
Only the classic actual techniques will last. Diluting it with magic won’t work.

39524671
No one discusses anything with you. You don’t add any relevant content.
>derail
By continuing to mention it? That continues it and doesn’t derail. You are the least impressive poster on the entire site, logic escapes you.

>>39524663
>I think you just got less posters because it was over Christmas.
There were a few less, but the notable ones were the usual suspects. I've only seen a handful of days that they don't show up and the thread is amazing when it happens.

>Believing that anyone would waste actual time
We have regular disrupters here, did you forget that weirdo that kept getting banned and claimed they would have to ban all the IPs in his country to get him to stop?

I don't feel like they are accomplishing anything other than making noise but they think they are getting something out of it.

>Most of the content is in the OP anyway
It is, but I've seen it on other message boards. Obama had teams of disrupters back in the day to show up and shit on discussions where people were organizing to try to force him into policies he supposedly supported. The operatives were paid by post so they didn't even bother to engage in the discussion, they just did drive by disruption and talking point bombs.

The point of this is that people frequently need to do more than read- they need people to collaborate with and reinforce their commitment to the goals and be part of a community. Disrupting that is a good way to keep things to only the most dedicated.

>>39524479
You bring back the perfections in your past lives continually. You have always known her.

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>>39524765
WEF is also using "information warriors" to disrupt what they view as misinformation, kind of bummed i missed out on the christmas eve comfiness. information warfare is the reality of today, you control what people know and how they think and you control them and if it isn't you doing it then someone else will. the perfect law is especially dangerous against common information war tactics since it makes you immune to propaganda and can even reverse MKUltra programming.

>>39524689
I hear you mate, but honnestly I don't see sigils or any other method as magic. It's just a way to imprint an intention in your sub, it's a medium, that's all. SATS is another medium, using sleep/relaxation.
Well, if you believe it's magic, then it is :)
But personally I think sigils are just like affirmations, or the telephone method from Neville Goddard, these are just second causes and they all work the same, everyone can use the one that suits them the best.
Sigils seem to be a straight forward way to build an intent, People who can't visualize, or are not patient anough to go through the other methods, should try sigils at least once before giving up.

>>39518567
Things are wonderful. My family easily helps everyone in need now and receives endless abundance in return. Things are better than ever and they continue to improve daily. Everyone who has ever helped me or my family is incredibly blessed and happy to see the immense wealth and endless happiness and success my family now enjoys

>>39524339
Hey Lil,
I seem to remember you taking about how you build the bridge of incidences with your assumptions. Can you talk about that some more?

>>39522335
How deep are we talking?

39524808
>wont talk about LoA
>off topic unrelated post
Now this is derailing. As expected of the least effective manifestation poster of all time. This thing was fake right and from 2020 or thereabouts? That’s the correct answer.
But could it really be you are the sole Finnish agent tasked with messing up these manifestation threads? Based on your posts it is a reasonable theory. You are very, very bad at your job though.
>>39524765
>We have regular disrupters here
They aren’t government agents though are they?it’s just some angry anons.

>>39518959
>Rosicrucians
Max Heindeil may be of interest for you
https://www.globalgreyebooks.com/max-heindel-books.html

>>39521856
There is a .txt collecting his post, here, if you are interested in reading all of his stuff
https://files.catbox.moe/35nnkn.txt

>>39524809
If you read UL and TriumphantGeorge and did the excercises, you will realize that these techniques and methods are all arbitrary.
>everyone can use the one that suits them the best.
Yeah, i do agree. It's personal, just bee yourself

>>39524974
>They aren’t government agents though are they?
They are never goverment agents, angry anons do come to the /LoA/ threads to inflict their insecurities on others (to no avail). It makes no sense that the paranormal board is capable of believing in UFO, divinitation, succubus, chaos magick and all that stuff, but its incapable of just simply practicing self betterment knowing it all comes from the mind. They will eventually get around it, so be patient and pay no mind. Enjoy discussing the law and manifestation with others, share what you want, enjoy your stay.

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>>39500003

Esto me hizo pensar, ¿cuantos hispanohablantes sabran sobre la Ley? De todos modos aprovecho, saludos a todos mis hermanos de la comarca

I am trying to find myself a long term gf after a few brief and broken relationships and all of a sudden this cute chilean girl starts talking to me. I met her a while ago but didn't do anything besides introduce myself. But now she's acting all friendly and asking me questions. And all I can feel is a lot of resistance because I don't think I can handle a transatlantic relationship. Fuckin hell. At least it's fun to chat with a human who is nice to you.

I'm ugly, but I don't believe it's a problem to be ugly to attract women.
So why I don't attract them?
According to LOA I should attract them since I believe ugliness is not a problem to get laid.

>>39525143
>I'm ugly
Saying this to yourself is not helping, you should be a little kinder to yourself.
I don't know you or what you do or don't do, but this kind of harsh judgement is so unnecessary.

So yes, you should be able to attract a girl. Just change of mindset and go on with life, you will have a lass in no time.

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>>39523828
>>39523922
why not go all-in and do meth\crack\Fent, Tranq, and flakka and spice 24\7, then?

>>39525367
Why not drink gasoline everyday? Why not swim in lava? For some reason this type of question is much more prevalent now then it was back in Neville times. It's like Satan tempting Jesus: "if you are the Son of God then jump off this building, angels will save you". Tbh I don't know what's a good answer to this, I've been tortured by this kind of questions myself.

>>39525367
For me it's what Neville said about cigs and LSD I simply don't have a taste for it but If you do and you're confident that you can assume your survival then I guess go for it.

Neville gaines so much authority whereas he didn't achieve anything special. Receiving money from family to be able to travel, divorcing his wife to mary another one, get discharged from the army because of his old age... Well... all of this is not exceptional at all, not impressed.

>>39525367
its like someone gives you a ferrari and you say; "lets take this baby off road then do donuts in the walmart parking lot until we run into a lamp post!"

>>39520916
what amazes me is that the world government really thinks people will somehow feel at ease after knowing that the gateway experience is sponsored and embraced by the CIA.
here's the thing,you BELIEVE that the tapes will help, they'll help.
you FEEL indifferent about them? they won't work.
it's THAT simple.

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>>39525480
good point, fair point. I DO feel a sort of strong, very strong, desire to do. hard drugs tho. maybe Im coping\healing from being labelled a wimp in school, but I feel a strong Wish to do the drugs "even the hardas*es are afraid of"
Im serious..Dunno, maybe universal line (UL) is the solution in this specific, case.

>>39525506
when was the last time you had a bad trip on lsd? that set me straight for a while

>>39522266
here's how, according to the man,the myth, the legend himself.
you need to have a disciplined mind.
which in turn will lead you to acquire a disciplined imagination.
a disciplined mind means total control over your thoughts and emotions.
losing your emotional balance and derailing your thought process is normal since we're human after all,but what matters is the general line of thinking.
"Be still,and know that I AM god"
you need to have a firm,fixed, unshaken, mental attitude toward your true nature.

>>39520916
It’s basically a placebo and doesn’t really do anything. Two tones at different frequencies allegedly create a third one in the brain while some old times voice speaks at you. This isn’t really a thing that is backed up by anything.
However as >>39525502 says if you get into the mindset that you think they will work then they nah have an effect. So it’s kind of the whole mind of matter belief thing. Like most people who use them you probably won’t get a lot of out it.

>>39525566
Damn autocorrect.
>old timey voice
>then they may have an effect

>>39525566
>>39520916
it's worth noting, also, that Monroe himself DIDN'T USE the tapes! he created them- after decades of doing AP without them!
I now wonder; why not follow Monroe's own non-tape method? Also it seems wave VI or VII was done post-portem by his wife. and museumoftarot claims he has the correct FLAC files, but he always tries to sell his shitty trinklets.
So, I have had profited from the tapes, but am growing out of them.

>>39524316
this image talks to me on a personal level.
believing that some government is paying people to derail and misguide people online is a crazy thought in and of itself.
but hey, I'm ready to believe anything these days.

>>39525615
the expense isn't that significant for the reward you can get with it, most of the information warfare is being done by private (or semi-private) actors like meta, x and openAI anyways so the government doesn't really have to do much except grease a few palms here and there.

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>>39525566
>It's all placebo
Guess what man, pic related

Anyway, i think you are right about the mindset. Is more about "allowing" the medium to work and use it as a crutch.

>>39525647
we're getting off- topic and I'm sorry for that but yeah,i wholeheartedly believe that there's a world government and that they'd go as far as pay people money to disrupt some online discussion like LoA or something else like SR for example.
i always feel bad for anons who can't differentiate between a genuine post and a shill post.

Instead of the countless /LoA/ /chaos magick/ /occult/ threads we need a single /manifestation/ or /reality creation/ or whatever general.

At the end of the day, doesn't matter what methods or philosophy you use, just the results. And it will save us at least 50% of the trolling and arguing about "LoA is bullshit (but sigils work tho)" vs "Just believe harder" etc. Just one place where everyone can share what worked for them.

How can I achieve true magic?

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Talking about placebo, LoA reminds me to the character "Tokio Morishima" from The Silver Case series. In the first game, Tokio seem himself as this hardboiled big man lone wolf and have his own "perspective" of the world, meanwhile, the other characters percieve him differently. But in the third game, Tokio looks exactly as he percieved himself from the first game for everyone. He did become his inner self.

This is one of these things that onece you are aware of, you trully see this stuff in a different light.

>>39525647
>knows the expense required to spread disinformation
>admits he knows who does it
>claims it is private or semi private actors (like him)
Finlands worst espionage contractor at work again. He tries to ruin manifestation threads but he is not good at it.

>>39525677
I agree with you. It's all fingers pointing at the same moon. Even authors like Alan Chapman have figured out that trully methods are entirelly arbitrary.

>You pick up a carrot, decree that the carrot is divine, eat it and have a result

It doesn't matter. I think is better to just rebrand this stuff to just simply manifestation general as you just said. Or make a Oneirosophy general even, here on /x/. I think this all boils down to idealism either way.

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Can you tell when someone is thinking about you? Sometimes I start to think about particular people out of nowhere, and it'll be really persistent thoughts. Not even about anything in particular. It's like their presence is there.

Had anyone here ever been the object of someone else's manifestations? What does that feel like?

>>39523686
I honestly don't think it can be described in language, at least not in English. It is beyond simple words, but I'll try. Its connected to thoughts somehow, my most common manifestations are ones that I have a tiny 1-3 seconds long, irrelevant thought, completely forgetting it since it is so meaningless. Then later in the day or week, it manifests in a similar form, and it reminds me that I did in fact have that initial thought. Maybe thats the key, treating everything as irrelevant and meaningless, letting go of it instantly and moving on with your life. It is extremely difficult with glaring issues though, at least for me. If I have an injury for example, how could I not think of it again before the manifestation? I am forced to interact with it, thus reminding me of my initial thought, thus not allowing it to manifest freely.
>>39524339
You say a lot of words to say nothing, almost like a bot. If you are sick of these trolls why not just manifest them away <: ? I don't care to troll, I care to actually fix the problems in my life. I appreciate you try to help people here, but why should anyone trust you? Are you happy? What have you successfully manifested? What is your process?

>>39525677
>At the end of the day, doesn't matter what methods or philosophy you use, just the results. And it will save us at least 50% of the trolling and arguing about "LoA is bullshit (but sigils work tho)" vs "Just believe harder" etc. Just one place where everyone can share what worked for them.

You can do that alright here, just post what worked for you. You see, only this general (the people that did his homework at least) knows that methods and techniques are bullshit, but that at the core of it, its the uniting point of psychology, occult, quantum stuff, whatever. You just need to engange with constructive discussion if you plan to stay here, engange with people that explore the topic of the experience and have a trully open mind and do have experience in the matter, is easy to differentiate them from the chills. Anyone saying that is bullshit is a shill, but also remember that they are doing this to themselves. Is easy to ignore, and this is the fastest way to archieve progress. You will find chills even on reddit, so is nothing new, but keep discussing, only in this way you can start seeing results and move on from the general.

Anyway, just to contribute to the convo, i followed the advice from one of the guys in the past threads and started ACIM. It was mind opening, and a lot of the stuff add ups to Neville. Not only that, but it have an entire book of excersices to work trought, but only with the text, it have worked so far for me.

Something else, i have had dreams where i acquire stuff and later i manifest them in real life, like free food for example. I did this using the prayer i learned from Murphy books. It gets better with time.

>>39525821
Also remember that all of this adds up to each other until you just got the handle of it. At the end of the day, is personal, this is why some information conflict in "method" and tricks of each other but the fundamentals are the exact same thing. Its because, when you have archieved it, you end up with something that only works for you. It CAN work with others, but what matters is that works for you, because it operates on your worldview, beliefs, opinions, personality, objectives, etc etc etc. Is all about (You). Check this UL general https://archive.4plebs.org/x/thread/38706958/#38706958 a lot of clarity in this one, it was a miracle that it even happened.

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>>39525871
>I'm not qualified to be GOD, you've gotta be kidding me! It's no wonder everything is so fucked! Why didn't I tell me I'm GOD sooner?!

Why we don't have more threads like this? What a gem

>>39525449
>Tbh I don't know what's a good answer to this

I got one
"No"
I think the story of Jesus allegorically speaking is about a man that BTFO the people from his time archiving everything in is own terms, even surpassing death. Temptation is about doing something in someone else terms instead of yours, to betray your faith on the ideal, or something along those lines.

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>>39524479
I could share insights. Remember, is all personal

>is this ethical?
Ethics and morality are just man made concept. Whats right or wrong is arbitrary. Pre christianity for example would see cutting the balls off from your enemies and raping their women as virtuous, and the mere idea of mercy as wrong, when nowadays would be otherwise. What im triying to say is that ultimately it doesn't matter because truth is impersonal. Methaphysically speaking is all your private dream. Have you heard of Object oriented programming? When you create an outcome like this, you could think like creating an instance of an object and having your own variation of said object, but the OG one remains intact. This is where "reality shifting" comes from, its one metaphor to understand the subject in a way. What's "right" is up to you to decide.

>side effects? I assume the universe doesn’t like being manipulated
That's part of your present beliefs, an assumption, ideas that you "decide to accept". This is easily malleable. For example, if i assume that the fact that we can "manipulate the universe" means that this is how the game is actually played, then the "universe" follow suit, because there is no "universe" outside of you. This is the conclusion of Christianity (as taught by christ), Buddhism, Hermeticism and other traditions. The world started when you got conscious and started having memories, and it will start all over again where you choose from if you decide to die. You can't stop percieving stuff. You are a proactive agent in the process of creation while experiencing things, and what you experience is all up to your choosing. There are no side effects... unless you accept to.

>if “I Am” God, how do I stay grounded in “reality”
Define "reality". If you mean how you stay "sane" with this knowledge, remember that you operate on this truth 24/7 wanting or not.

>how do you discuss this with family/friends?
This is a tricky one. Personally, i don't.

Who was the first known person to discover the law?
Also are there any authors who wrote about the law that were around even earlier than Florence Scovel Shinn?

>>39523586
>but I am not so sure you know how you did it.
because it happened according to what I intended
and I have done this over and over. Every step along the way, I didn't believe it would work. Eventually I realized it was real
if they are "coincidences" then I am the once making coincidences happen.
Manifesting is just making a synchronicity happen according to your intention

>>39523632
>How to stop ridiculous intrusive thoughts? When I imagine walking the world starts to spin. When I hold a tennis ball the lines on it constantly fluctuate.
that's not intrusive thoughts.
you are experiencing a lot of energy, so if you want that to go away, you'll need to tone done the amount of energy you are channeling in general, or remove the unwanted effects
you can use manifesting for this by the way
"I am able to walk easily"
"When I look at a tennis ball, I see it in super clear detail, better than any average person, and can track its motion accurately with incredible reflexes"
Make sense?

>>39525477
>you can do anything you can imagine!
>dies of esophageal rupture caused by alcohol abuse
curious

>>39524211
>Sigils.
>They dont require all this work.
I'm not sure why you'd say they don't require as much work
Sigils are more complicated, and essentially perform the same function.
I don't really have a problem with people using sigils. I have used them myself many times. they are effective. But I think there is a more "pure" way of doing it, without all the rituals, hand gestures, magic art, or incantations
As you learn more magic, your magic becomes simpler yet more powerful. The song and dance is training wheels for beginners.
You really can just manifest things with your thoughts
Though doing something physical, like using a material, a tool, or doing something physical does seem to make magic more powerful.
I'm not sure why. Perhaps it is a sign that you actually believe and are committed to what you are doing, while you could just be doing something in your mind and don't want to do anything in the physical world because deep down you think "this is stupid" or "what's the point? it won't work anyway" or "I don't even want to try"
So you're trying, but not really trying.

>>39526193
>Who was the first known person to discover the law?
Jesus Christ of course.

In all seriousness, this started in the New Thought spiritual movement and what they used to call "Christian Science". The earliest of them using the fundamentals would be Phineas Quimby, look up "The Quimby manuscripts", it says a lot of stuff regarding the relation between mind and matter and is really old stuff. There is a case described in the papers where two subjects conducted an experiment, one sit downs and the other willed the subject in the chair to stand up, and one of them succeded to influence the other actions. Thomas Troward is another early author that saw the perspective of this using the bible as an allegory of the mind, see "The Law and the Word".

>>39526249
>Eventually I realized it was real. If they are "coincidences" then I am the one making coincidences happen.

This

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>>39526304
you can't prove he didn't WANT that to happen, tho.
Ramakrishna gave himself cancer to work out some karmas, or something very deep and not fully known but...he could have cured it but ,he gave himself cancer to die in perfect state.

>>39524248
>People apply the rules and dont get same results as others.
different people are different
And they don't necessarily apply the rules in the same way.
Of course you would get different results in that case
If you have two people who are very similar, and apply the rules in the same way, they will get similar results. If not exactly the same.
This is the same as with any other human endeavor. People are not equally good at sports, or art, or different hobbies, or careers
Why would you expect everyone to get the same results here?

>>39526325
if he died like that on purpose then he's a bigger tool than I thought, also where the fuck does he mention karma and "needing to work it out" in his works?

>>39524248
>or maybe yeah just God/universe deciding they would grant it or not.

Who is this "God/Universe" that you are talking about? Can you introduce us to this troublesome guy? So we can have a word with him?

>>39526338
>where the fuck does he mention karma and "needing to work it out" in his works?
Nowhere, he's not talking about neville there. Murphy and Neville didn't believe in that bullshit, Murphy went as far as to say that reincarnation is also bullshit and all that occult crap, you just simply choose prosperity instead of these odd things that come from conditioning.

>>39525677
>Instead of the countless /LoA/ /chaos magick/ /occult/ threads we need a single /manifestation/ or /reality creation/ or whatever general.
>At the end of the day, doesn't matter what methods or philosophy you use, just the results.
if you already know this, then every thread on magic, miracles, or manifesting will read the same to you
It all ultimately works on the same principles
If there is someone out there who thinks "my magic works, but your magic is fake", they simply don't know and don't have experience
They haven't talked to enough people outside their bubble, to learn that there are many many different techniques that work.

>>39526304
>dies of esophageal rupture caused by alcohol abuse
>curious
didnt he die in a car accident?
imma need sauce of his death

>>39524956
Sure. You do it all day long.

"I am going to make myself a sandwich." As you think that, you've probably already thought through what kind and everything you want on it, what you need to do to make that happen, even to the point of what you would do if you are out of pickles.

We rarely pay attention to those processes though- we're on autopilot. We've already "learned" to do most if not all of the things we need to do for that, from walking to using our hands and fingers to use a knife. When you do pay attention to that moment you decided you were going to do something or learn it, you already had expectations on what that looked like and those were used for your unconscious manifest.

Neville says not to bother with all of that, and he is right- it's a waste of time if all you care about is getting what you wanted. For people like me though, I want to know how it all works and do it better because of that. Because I know my "background processes" took care of all of it, I know it will happen in the time I expect in a way I can accept and will seem coincidental. I can also tinker with those assumptions and decide that it's ok for it to happen faster or in a different way.

>>39524959
To the point where you feel it. If resistance is low this is easy. "I believe in gravity" vs "I am immune to gravity"

>>39526452
he did not, Mitch Horowitz dug up his death certificate issued in California
https://www.instagram.com/mitchhorowitz23/p/Ckdl7n_ODI_/

>>39526484
>To the point where you feel it. If resistance is low this is easy. "I believe in gravity" vs "I am immune to gravity"
what do you mean by "feel it"?
What would that feel like if you actually believed "I am immune to gravity" and actually started floating around because gravity no longer affected you?

>>39524974
>They aren’t government agents though are they?
None of them have admitted to it yet, but we have had some very strange trolls here. Secret society bullshit mid grades that think they are better than they are. They wouldn't be here if someone had not ordered them to, hence the common comment about "Anyone who was successful would not be on 4chan." I find it amusing that they have to know they pointing 3 fingers at themselves when they do this. I wonder if they find it humiliating to be assigned to this, like toilet cleaning duty at their executive lodge.

As I stated, I don't feel like they are accomplishing anything other than possibly slowing Anons down. Once you learn this to a certain point you should not be blindly accepting anyone's opinions on anything, including Neville. You are the Operant power, full stop.

>>39526504
looks like those martinis caught up to him
guess ab was right he still had quibbles

>>39526520
>hence the common comment about "Anyone who was successful would not be on 4chan." I find it amusing that they have to know they pointing 3 fingers at themselves when they do this.
It's as you say. Most of them are just losers who can't handle that other people are happy, or maybe happier than them
In other words, they are expressing their resistance to the idea of manifesting.
And probably also people are accidentally manifesting people who exclaim the resistance that is in their hearts
In other words, people feel resistance, and then that "randomly" shows up in other people's statements.
Someone thinks "It can't be true. It can't be this easy" and then someone else says it

>>39525677
>we need a single /manifestation/ or /reality creation/ or whatever general
Then make one and use it. We'll keep this one.

>And it will save us at least 50% of the trolling and arguing about "LoA is bullshit (but sigils work tho)" vs "Just believe harder" etc
No, it won't. We've had people come in here passionately arguing that SR, Astrology and other items are REQUIRED and NATURAL LAW to manifest. We had enough of that in the last thread with the amateur hour occultists sacrificing their semen and talking about elite blood sacrifices to make this work.

None of that crap is necessary, nor does it help the Anons that are trying to learn here.

Things worked fine here when there was an /omg/ general and people from there didn't try to come in here and try to poach talent.

That's the real problem here- there is genuine interest and positive results from the Anons that come here and are serious about learning it. We don't need to dilute that with information that's not necessary and people who don't believe this works.

>>39525689
What do you believe that entails?

>>39525820
>but why should anyone trust you?
This is 4chan. Everyone should make their own decisions on what they trust. I am only offering information, nothing more.

>Are you happy?
I am :)

>What have you successfully manifested?
It might be easier to list what I haven't. Everything from free food to SPs to spiritual ascension.

>What is your process?
The things I teach- being aware that you are the Creator, not a mere "anything." Knowing your desires and your mind. Using techniques to overcome or lower your resistance. Letting go when the threshold has been reached.

>If you are sick of these trolls why not just manifest them away
I'm not sick of them, I am using their posts as a teaching tool for newer Anons- never accept what a person tries to force you to believe, regardless of the implied authority behind it. Also, I am curious why they are here and what they are trying to accomplish- it was facinating when one of that admitted the reason they were here is because they hated that it was this easy to learn this and get free resources for it. They wanted this to only be available to "special" people like him. Tak and I pointed out that if this was exclusive information, he would not be invited in on it, he was not "elite" material.

>>39526454
Okay. This ties in with my understanding that I'm manifesting at every moment. I'm guessing that tinkering with those assumptions is no different than changing any other assumption.

>>39526317
>like using a material, a tool
reagents and a wand

>>39526689
>>like using a material, a tool
>reagents and a wand
yeah that's an example of that

>>39526758
What about a horse
or a half-human half-horse?

>>39523489
I agree about Lila/Nevillution. No one read the works of Nevillution better. Her work should be archived here.

>2025
>Lil Anon is still trying to become a world famous rapper in his mid 30s despite having never released a record
>Mother anon is still trying to become a vampire despite having never been to Romania

To the lurkers here, it doesn't work. Just pray and read the bible, don't become a schizo /LoA/er.

>>39526884
>Just pray and read the bible
to the lurkers here, this doesn't work either

>>39525725
>You pick up a carrot, decree that the carrot is divine, eat it and have a result
I like the idea, but take children for example, they do this all the time, playing with their wood stick thinking it is a sword for example and they are the king of the world. Well they still have to clean their room or they'll get spanked by their mom. Talk about a king...

>>39520714
Would you mind awfully to tell me about the picture ? I have tried for a time to decipher it without success

>>39526884
>Lil Anon is still trying to become a world famous rapper
lmao. Really? Did you miss the guy that was smart enough to say "that's probably not him" when you guys googled me?

>>39526994
>I like the idea, but take children for example...
You don't understand the concept enough to analyze that. When you are fantasizing, you know you are just playing. Kids DO regularly do manifests for toys and things they want that their parents won't or can't provide and it comes to them. Anton LaVey even points out that children do it better than most adults because they can believe easily and not get in their own way.

>they are the king of the world
This is an interesting hangup of yours, you've mentioned it multiple times.

Why aren't you king of the world?

>>39526172
>Ethics and morality are just man made concept
>>39526172
Nope they are based on emotions, feelings. In your example of cutting balls, it is considered bad because it inflicts pain. Pain is a negative feeling for humans because it hurts. Therefore, cutting balls is considered as bad. Same for rape. Nothing related to ethic or moral.
There are things that are considered good because they make humans feel great, and things considered bad because they make humans feel pain.

>>39526317
Yes I understand what you mean.
I do think rituals are necessary though, be it drawing a sigil, or lighting a candle or dancing etc. Ancient tribes do this since ages, they also give something to gods in exchange of something, shamans use rituals too, sorcerers cast spells using herbs, Crystals, etc. It doesn't mean it won't work if you don't use a medium, but looking at it from a historic point of view mediums have always been used for incantations/manifesting.
It doeant have to be complicated though.

Someone heard about Robert Bruce? He developed a method for those who can't visualize, based on imagining tactile sensations instead.
He developed it for astral projections initially but it is also used for healing.
His PDFs are free like the famous one "the new energy way" (shared on reddit), people seem to like it a lot.
I'm talking about him because his work could help people suffering from aphantasia during sats.
Also those who need to heal something

>>39527223
>There are things that are considered good because they make humans feel great, and things considered bad because they make humans feel pain.
Ya, no- that's not a universal school of thought.

Morality is indeed a human invention and subjective.

>Same for rape.
There are highly respected cultures where rape is either considered justified in certain circumstances or even encouraged to the point where it's expected behavior.

You're seeing things from a comfortable bubble. Step out of that bubble and see how it is if you're feeling brave but don't assert things as facts when you don't have the experience and/or data to back it up.

>>39526326
A law is a law mate, it shouldn't depend on people.
Take maths, physics, apply laws from these fields and you'll always get the same results, no matter who use them.
Loa is more a concept than a law. A method to improve yourself, strengthen your mental, which can lead to different results depending on the people who use it. Which is not the definition of a law.
But I get what you mean pal. Cheers.

>>39527263
>I do think rituals are necessary though
No, they aren't at all.
I don't mean to be rude, but you have a skill issue. Eventually, you will be able to perform magic using purely mental actions.
It will be simple, easy, convenient, and cost nothing. No material components, no hand gestures, no incantation.
>Ancient tribes do this since ages, they also give something to gods in exchange of something, shamans use rituals too, sorcerers cast spells using herbs,
Yes, these are training wheels, and help newbies to do magic. Most people with more experience don't need them.

>>39527286
wait he freed Scotland and did all of that too?

>>39526340
>Who is this "God/Universe" that you are talking about?
Sorry I don't know. But what I know for sure is God is not me, neither are you :)
I meant there is an energy that Grant's wishes or on the contrary makes your life miserable. Doesn't seem to be something you can control, as preached by Neville Goddard, who died himself in a horrible way.

>>39527314
>A law is a law mate, it shouldn't depend on people.
>Take maths, physics, apply laws from these fields and you'll always get the same results, no matter who use them.
Is weight lifting real? Do gyms exist?
Is the law of gravity real?
If that is true, then why do different people get different results when weight lifting?
That is based on the laws of physics, and yet different people get different results.
And so it is with every other thing that exists in life. Different people get different results.

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>>39526884
>Just pray and read the bible
>reads the Bible
"Truly I tell you, if anyone says to this mountain, ‘Go, throw yourself into the sea,’ and does not doubt in their heart but believes that what they say will happen, it will be done for them."
Mark 11:23

>>39527314
this, if it's not consistent how can it be a law? I don't even mean it in a sōyentific le controlled experiment kind of way
in b4
>you just didn't believe hard enough bro

>>39527364
how many mountains have you thrown into the sea, anon?

>>39527187
Yeah kids also get serious diseases, that obviously they didn't manifest. Same for babies who are born without arms or legs.
Stop this BS please, neither child or anyone manifest *all* that happen in their life. Why don't you just accept there are things we can't do nothing about, good ones or bad ones.
There are plenty of people who live in the end of a beautiful life and still get tanked by their destiny. The opposite is true as well.

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>>39527381
Why would I want to throw a mountain into the sea?

>>39527126
4chan rotated it 90* to counterclockwise. It's a sigil. I thought with all the conversation about them some of you might be interested.

I like to draw. It's very calming and my mind often wanders in alpha-wave state as i do, so sometimes as part of my manifestations I will draw a picture of what I want and meditate on it as I do. I draw sigils in the same way. It's just a way for me to focus on what I want as i make it rather than using it as a magical talisman.

>>39527389
Either they (a part of you) did, or you did. EIYPO.

>>39527332
"Training wheels"... lol you are not disturbed by humility it seems. These training wheels as you call them are used since thousand years by ancient tribes all over the world to manifest, and you, superanon on 4chan behind his keyboard, comes here to tell us they were doing it and still do it all wrong. Lol

>>39527373
>this, if it's not consistent how can it be a law? I don't even mean it in a sōyentific le controlled experiment kind of way
>in b4
>>you just didn't believe hard enough bro
as I said in the other post
Lifting weights is based on the laws of physics
And yet different people get different results
Does that mean lifting weights isn't real? Or that the laws of physics aren't real?
No. Just that different people get different results. That's how it works in every other area of life. Why would it be surprising if that happens here too?

>>39527395
proof of concept? otherwise, how do you know the verse you're parroting is even true?

>>39527389
>Yeah kids also get serious diseases, that obviously they didn't manifest.
why not?

>>39527401
Ahh yes very good
thanks

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>>39527389
>nigger comes into a thread about things he doesn't believe
>start sperging desperately trying to convince people it isn't true so that they stop doing it
Hum.... Glowing much?

>>39527442
they do tend to get some results though, the same cannot be said for 99% of anons who regularly post here

>>39527451
I need to literally throw a mountain into the sea in order to prove the concept is true when I can do it by applying to things I actually need?
How dumb can you be?

>>39527361
>Is weight lifting real? Do gyms exist?
>Is the law of gravity real?

Your 2 examples are not laws. Gravity is only a theory and can't explain everything on earth. And weight lifting, not a law either.
Laws have precise rules and induce precise result.
Loa is not a law, friend.

>>39527470
>by applying to things I actually need?
and how has that worked out so far?

>>39527433
>"Training wheels"... lol you are not disturbed by humility it seems.
No, I just listen to other practitioners.
As you get more experience, you need less rituals. Less energy. Less effort.
I have taught many people, and watched many other people learn starting out as beginners.
Magic gets easier over time. That shouldn't be a surprise.
>These training wheels as you call them are used since thousand years by ancient tribes all over the world to manifest
Yes, and I agree, and I have used them, and I say they are effective.
And yet they are not necessary. Most people are bad at magic. They need the training wheels.
This is true for all time periods and all countries that have existed throughout history. The vast majority of people just aren't that good at magic. So they need the training wheels.
When you talk to people with more experience, or more natural talent, they don't need them. Or, when they use them, they get even bigger effects compared to a newbie trying everything with maximum effort.
At the end of the day, a whisper is more powerful than a shout. And if you have to push so much effort to accomplish magic, then you're doing it wrong.

>>39527471
>gravity is not a law
Nigga what

>>39527494
Yeah gravity is a theory, not a law. Look it up.
And nobody has been able to prove it until now.
But it's off topic.

>>39527469
>they do tend to get some results though, the same cannot be said for 99% of anons who regularly post here
In my experience, only about 10-20% of people can't do magic.
And they all have the same personality type. Unwilling to listen, not open minded, think they "know" how it works even if they have zero results.
In other words, they are blocking themselves.
I think about 90% of the time, when you aren't getting the results you want in magic, it's you holding yourself back. And it might even be 100% of time, I just don't know that for sure yet. But as I get more experience, I tend to think "yeah it's always you holding yourself back"

>>39527471
>Your 2 examples are not laws. Gravity is only a theory and can't explain everything on earth. And weight lifting, not a law either.
Do the laws of physics exist? Is weight lifting based on the laws of physics?
And yet different people get different results. This shouldn't be hard to understand.
>Laws have precise rules and induce precise result.
And yet different people are applying them in different ways, and get different results.
This is not surprising. That subjective factor is always going to mean you get a variety of results when a variety of people try something out.

>>39527484
Pretty great.

>>39527389
>Yeah kids also get serious diseases, that obviously they didn't manifest
They did though- how do you think you got to Earth? Just because mom and dad did some funky things with their unmentionable parts?

You manifested it. "I want a life with X, Y and Z, and I want to finish with Ö." Once you come here, most forget that. Some Anons remember parts of that.

You don't know why those Anons wanted that experience, but they did. You're currently having a shallow experience in comparison and you are struggling to find meaning in response to that. Interesting, right?

>Stop this BS please
Whether you like it or not, this is real and how we do things. Nothing would exist without it.

>anyone manifest *all* that happen in their life
When you dream, you are creating ALL of it. You are the dreamer, the dreamed, and everyone in your dream. Yes, it's a lot. Yes, if you believe you are a "mere human" it seems impossible...but there is nothing "mere" about you or anyone else.

> Why don't you just accept there are things we can't do nothing about
Refusing to take responsibility is the behavior of a child.

>There are plenty of people who...
>I have no idea how this works and am looking at limited evidence

>>39527533
so essentially
you try it and it works for some trivial stuff like a free parking spot - wowzers, this really is a law!
you try it again for something more substantial and it doesn't work - must be the practitioner's fault, surely it can't be that muh law isn't really a consistent law!

>>39527514
>But as I get more experience, I tend to think "yeah it's always you holding yourself back"
I agree, I used to believe in systemics and natural forces, but it really is all you. If it works, it was you. If it doesn't, it's also you.

It's incredibly freeing but it also puts it all back on you. If you can't make it work it's not because Saturn is not in alignment, it's because you didn't let it.

>>39527600
>so essentially
>you try it and it works for some trivial stuff like a free parking spot - wowzers, this really is a law!
>you try it again for something more substantial and it doesn't work - must be the practitioner's fault, surely it can't be that muh law isn't really a consistent law!
You try to lift 10 pounds and it works
You try to lift 400 pounds, and it doesn't work
I guess weightlifting is fake. It's all a scam. I can't lift 400 pounds, so that must mean it's impossible for everyone. Anyone who claims they can lift 400 is lying.
And it's all random, and there's no consistent or predictable results
And it's not based on the laws of physics. Weight lifting is not based on any laws.

No. The reason you cannot lift 400 pounds is because of YOU. That's it. The reason the other guy over there can deadlift 400 is because of him. His attributes, his time and effort, diet, nutrition, and the natural talent he started with.
The same is true with manifesting.
Why can the other guy lift 400 but you cannot? Because of YOU. If you want to lift 400 pounds, then you need to change yourself.
Why can the other guy manifest all these big things, but you can only manifest a parking spot? Because of YOU. If you want to manifest those big things, you need to change yourself.

>>39527600
People will post getting money and laid from this and you will still coping like this, its no use man

>>39527647
True, the only reason why people get instant returns in first try and others stick around longer is because they have the necessary faculties before hand, that's all, but its all the same. You just take the time you need to, to get things straight.

Anyway, i think trying to "convince" people is a waste of time and only derail discussion further. No other general needs to go trought this: Nobody /omg/, /div/, or /ng/ go trought this, WHY this general is the ONLY ONE that attracts so many chills like flies to shit? In the PARANORMAL BOARD of all places?. Its no use anons, don't waste your energy, discuss with others that are on the same page as you who want to get better at this and broad their undestanding of manifestation, you will get better results and progress like this and ditch this general for good.

Also, i like your analogy with weight lifting, i noticed that this is pretty much like working out, at least in my experience. And the same diligence will get you there.

>>39527732
>WHY this general is the ONLY ONE that attracts so many chills like flies to shit?
I think because it's potentially so powerful, and also that troll page that got posted where they think if they get us upset that we will not be able to do our manifests and doom spiral for their amusement.

I've done this successfully half-dead. Belief/conviction really is all that's needed.

>>39527647
again with the weightlifting analogy lmao, it doesn't work for this
you can train up to a certain level and lift heavier weights progressively, you can't train loa and go from a free parking spot to winning the lotterly (else we'd be seeing anons doing so in this very thread, hell m*theranon's been here for over a year yet he has fuckall to show for it)

>>39527286
I have heard of him, but to be honest, i don't get how people can "suffer from aphantasia", like, how do you navigate your memories? How do you recall appareances from things when you have to describe them from what you see? How do you rememeber your dreams when you do? This is all thought forms, you are already visualizing when you do. I think this is a misunderstanding.

>>39527765
>I think because it's potentially so powerful
no, it's because you all keep yapping and yapping, regurgitating the same tired shit thread after thread, yet no one has anything to show for it, least of all you tripfags that have been hanging here for literal years

>>39527773
You can't use the lottery example forever. What if i don't want that? What is this idea that any manifestator master need to be in a mantion driving lamborginis or winning lotteries? What if i only want to get sluts and beer when i want without effort? What matter is to live the life you want. You are missing the point resisting to LoA, all of this is a trap of your own making, and you are not fooling anyone.

>>39527789
>no, it's because you all keep yapping and yapping, regurgitating the same tired shit thread after thread
A) Is because is a simple concept, its has to be REPEATED until you get it from experience
B) Why are you still here? Just to suffer? What do you gain from this?

>>39527765
Not even the chaos magick general get these chills and is basically almost the same shit, i don't get it, and at this point, i dont fucking care. We should have the golden rule around to just ignore them, understand that you have nothing to prove, go on with your life, manifest what you want, deep down you know the truth.

>>39527732
>No other general needs to go trought this: Nobody /omg/, /div/, or /ng/ go trought this, WHY this general is the ONLY ONE that attracts so many chills like flies to shit?
What you've said is false
They all get skeptics. There is another general I check that is constantly getting trolled

>>39527773
>you can train up to a certain level and lift heavier weights progressively, you can't train loa and go from a free parking spot to winning the lotterly
Why wouldn't you be able to progressively change your self, so that you are more capable of magic?
That's how it works. The more you do something, the easier it gets.

>>39527796
that is most definitely not all you want, anon, you're only lying to yourself by persisting in the cope
the truth is, you couldn't win the lottery, have a mansion or drive lambos with loa whether you wanted to or not, though I do invite you to prove me wrong
>>39527804
>Why are you still here?
I like combating misinformation

>>39527970
WOW guys! He's here to save us!

>>39527970
do you really think you'll be able to convince people this doesn't work?
It's like telling soccer players that soccer isn't real
Or that painting isn't real.
No, it's real, you're just bad at it. You have a skill issue.

>>39527992
This.
You see, when people say that LoA is not "real" but you have already experienced the thing, is like, you are out and using your phone, and then some guy comes in and say "BUT PHONES AREN'T REAL". It wouldn't be silly to just trow your phone in the woods because of this? That's how silly it sounds.

>>39527970
Anon, at the psychological standpoint, LoA is all there is to it. Any alternative would be fools play. Who you are besides yourself? Being someone that you are not is no good. LoA is about creating self betterment and healing the mind, and then "coincidences" are bound to happen when you allow them to happen. The fat guy who get girls, the stoner who lives with plenty, the people who survive the odds and in happiness, everything you have to do is to choose prosperity. There is an inmense beauty on LoA because it the ultimate exaltation of the supreme human faculty: The capacity to change, and to unite dreams and reality. And this is possible, because i allow it in my life.

I hope you understand now. And is alright if you dont, you are always welcome to try.

>>39527773
>you can train up to a certain level and lift heavier weights progressively, you can't train loa and go from a free parking spot to winning the lotterly (else we'd be seeing anons doing so in this very thread
there are people who have been lifting weights for 10 years, and yet still they cannot lift 500 pounds
Does that mean the laws of physics not real? Does that mean weight lifting not based on laws?
There can be underlying laws at play, and yet still different people get different results.

>>39527970
>I like combating misinformation
As opposed to what?

>GUUUYS LIKE, STOP TRIYING TO HAVE A BETTER LIFE, THE JEW CONSPIRACY GENERAL IS THE OTHER WAY

>>39527970
>lying to yourself by persisting in the cope

I would give it to (You) if this were a christcuck general on /lit/ or the semen retention one, but this is like saying that /sig/ is a "cope". This is a solution, you gain nothing thinking in doomerism, you gaing nothing poisoning your mind. When people get what they want, they don't have to prove nothing, they just move on. Check the archives for yourself, do some detective work for once. We don't have to prove nothing, we only share what works for us, and move on with our lifes. Because countless of proofs have been posted and keep getting posted. The true cope here is (You) saying is all false, and conclusion is command.

anon-Mother-kun and
LilAnon-san

“Everything depends upon our attitude towards ourselves. That which we will not affirm as true of ourselves cannot develop in our life.”

Neville Goddard

Why does the law seem to attract so many scummy people?
On youtube there are literal clickbait videos with titles like "THIS CHANGES EVERYTHING YOU WON'T BELIEVE HOW THIS PERSON TURNED THEIR LIFE AROUND WITH THE NEW SECRET NEVILLE METHOD"
Shouldn't people who follow the law be a bit more "Enlightened"?
Genuinely curious.

>>39528110
again with the weightlifting, piss poor analogy but you do you

Imagine being so fucking ass at making pancakes that you force yourself to believe that everyone who claims to know how to make pancakes is a liar lmao

>>39524575
I read a lot both on the LOA side and on the magick side and the only real difference is that on the LOA side, the "everything is possible and thinking otherwise is a limiting belief" mindset is predominant whereas on the magick side people tend to be not so much into Neville-esque "brazen impudence" like that. They talk more about things like enhancing probabilities,etc.

>>39528155
absolutely do try to have a better life, but sitting on your ass and fantasizing about it won't make it happen
case in point - m*theranon
>>39528190
>When people get what they want, they don't have to prove nothing, they just move on.
I see this shit repeated here all the time, oh so many anons were akschually successful but they just don't bother posting here and letting others know it worked for them
>Check the archives for yourself, do some detective work for once.
I did, there's yet to be a single lottery winner here since this general started lmao, m*theranon's been announcing his big jackpot for over a year

tell you fuckers what - if you can manifest m*theranon out of this general, I'll believe, I'll become a loapostle so help me I AM, Neville PBUH be my witness

>>39528311
>Shouldn't people who follow the law be a bit more "Enlightened"?
No, this works with or without being "enlightened."

Also, I've said this a couple of times in thread, but being enlightened doesn't mean what's been popularized. In your example, keep in mind people you are seeing on Youtube are trying to monetize their operation. An Anon here suggested I do youtube and that's actually the reason why I don't. I hang out here because it's fun and I learn things, I don't need money or recognition and if I decide I want a break I can just take one.

Don't ever pay to learn this- feel free to tip jar someone if you appreciate their efforts but that's about it.

>>39528354
*laughs* What are you going to do when he makes it and leaves?

>I'll become a loapostle
Why? We don't need missionaries. Why don't you just chill and manifest your lambo?

>>39528318
>again with the weightlifting, piss poor analogy but you do you
And yet the analogy works perfectly. And you have no response to the points I'm making, and you just keep dodging and then shifting your talking points because you don't want to listen. You're not interested in actually figuring something out or having a productive conversation, you just want to keep having a semantic argument.
I don't give a fuck if manifesting works on a "law" or not. I only care how it works, not what you want to call it. Call it a "law" or a "theory" or "magic" or "miracles" or "coincidences" or whatever the fuck you want to call it. That doesn't change anything.
It works the same as weight lifting, or any other sport, art form, skill, hobby, job, whatever.

You can accept that one man can lift 800 pounds but you cannot. This doesn't mean weight lifting isn't real. Or that the laws of physics aren't real. The reason you cannot lift 800 pounds is because of YOU.
The reason the other guy can manifest all these big things and all you can do is a parking spot is because of YOU. For some reason you can't accept this. And that's fine. But it doesn't change anything.
The reason you're shit at manifesting is because of YOU. The reason why you're bad at magic is because you have a skill issue. Change yourself, and your results will improve.

>>39528402
Thank you LilAnon for enduring this shitshow of a thread for so long.
I can't believe how many trolls are in this thread.
It's okay if they don't believe or want to ask question but so many of them are just posting bait.

>>39528333
>I read a lot both on the LOA side and on the magick side and the only real difference is
There's a lot of differences. LoA has been referred to as "fingerpainting with reality" while occult practices are more like paint by number.

Magick is based on rules, structures, traditions, various forces and symbology, hierarchy of study and often entities and spirit lineages.

LoA is based on the idea that you are the One God and you are in control of all of this. This is your playground.

While you can come into LoA through occultism, it's not a prerequisite or even a compatible set of practices. You can get the same skills that are useful in LoA through playing vidya.

>>39528402
>when he makes it
you've been here long enough to know that it ain't ever happening, chief
>and leaves?
I'd cry tears of joy, but that ain't happening either

>>39528424
It's simple really, if it doesn't work a 100% of the time consistently, it's not a law. You can blame yourself for "the law" failing, but that's not very healthy. It's not your fault you can't grow wings and fly, or conjure gold bullions out of thin air, despite what LilAnon would have you believe.
You can draw analogies to the "law of weightlifting" all you like, that still won't make them comparable.

>>39528427
>I can't believe how many trolls are in this thread.
It's a little busy :)

This is not the most malicious troll we've had here, and funny enough I appreciate that he brought this topic up so we can have some discussion around it.

There is occasional(frequent?) Anons that complain that this requires them to believe in themselves and what they want. They believe it's unfair somehow that they have to do such a "hard" thing. This isn't anything new though- the people that succeed in "normal life" have always believed they could, should or deserved it.

It's ironic that the power of the cosmos belongs to everyone and is unlock by something as simple as belief, but somehow that's too "hard" for us. Keep in mind, I was guilty of that as well for more than a decade and a half :)

>>39528453
>you've been here long enough to know that it ain't ever happening, chief
It will, he's been slowly improving. He's just working at his own pace.

>I'd cry tears of joy, but that ain't happening either
Then that will happen too. I suspect once he sheds his old skin he'll be happy as fuck to play in the real world along with his tulpa. If he's polite he may even tell us all the cool shit he gets into.

>>39527647
>Why can the other guy lift 400 but you cannot? Because of YOU. If you want to lift 400 pounds, then you need to change yourself.
>Why can the other guy manifest all these big things, but you can only manifest a parking spot? Because of YOU. If you want to manifest those big things, you need to change yourself.
Well said, good explanation. Do keep in mind though that you're talking to a really pathetic retard. So he won't get it but others will

>>39528526
if you had a shred of honesty, you wouldn't be egging him on, you'd advise him to get the (professional) help he so obviously needs
if you really believe what you've said here, you may just be as schizophrenic as him

Threadly reminder:
>"loa is just a mental outlook technique" retard
>"loa doesn't work" retard
>"lil anon is a vampire" retard
>"loa is just magical thinking yet I'm still here" retard
>"loa is just pseudoscience" retard
This is likely just one retard or it could be several retards, it doesn't really matter. Just hide their posts whenever you see them, don't waste your attention engaging them. Spend your time practicing the law, or if it doesn't work for you, then try something else. Don't waste your time

Discuss the law, ask questions about the law, don't engage with retards

>>39528477
>if it doesn't work a 100% of the time consistently, it's not a law.
If you want to have a semantic argument, that's fine. but it's pointless.

I'm going to just repost this.
>You can accept that one man can lift 800 pounds but you cannot. This doesn't mean weight lifting isn't real. Or that the laws of physics aren't real. The reason you cannot lift 800 pounds is because of YOU.
>The reason the other guy can manifest all these big things and all you can do is a parking spot is because of YOU. For some reason you can't accept this. And that's fine. But it doesn't change anything.

>>39528424
>the other guy can manifest all these big things
but he can't, anon, and neither can you
no one in these generals has done anything that defies reason, unless you take lilanon for his word and believe he actually ages at half speed, that he was a vampire, and then one day just decided to stop being one
I get it, you want to keep coping and believing in this, you probably see loa as a lifeline that will get you out of the tough spot where you are now, if only you believe harder and try this or that technique
you'll get that parking spot, good grade, shitty 9-5 that at least pays somewhat decently, maybe even that girl you wanted to hook up with (provided you're not m*theranon), but you will fail at the big things, and then come back here only for lilanon to tell you it's actually your fault, you need to try harder
you'll understand in a year or two

>>39528532
>>Why can the other guy lift 400 but you cannot? Because of YOU. If you want to lift 400 pounds, then you need to change yourself.
>>Why can the other guy manifest all these big things, but you can only manifest a parking spot? Because of YOU. If you want to manifest those big things, you need to change yourself.
>Well said, good explanation. Do keep in mind though that you're talking to a really pathetic retard. So he won't get it but others will
Yeah I figured, since he had no response to what I said and started quibbling about not "liking" an analogy I made.
Once someone hyper fixates on one thing you said in order to ignore the rest that means what you said is true, they just can't admit.
He knows I'm right. That's why he's mad. It is what it is.
I will never understand why someone would want magic to be fake. I mean why? Wouldn't you want manifesting to be real?
And if someone explains how to go from lifting 50 pounds to lifting 800 pounds, wouldn't you be grateful? And then try out the advice, so you could get stronger and lift more?
I guess some people just want to say weight lifting is a scam, and there's no point to try, and so on and so on.
I guess some people really do just want to remain weak and powerless. And maybe that's true! It can be hard to accept that you really can improve your life.

>>39528594
>no one in these generals has done anything that defies reason,
Why would it defy reason?
>I get it, you want to keep coping and believing in this, you probably see loa as a lifeline that will get you out of the tough spot where you are now
What do you mean? My life is amazing, and I can manifest things I want. I started out small, and then went bigger and bigger.
It actually works for me. Why would I believe otherwise? Why would I spend time and energy trying to learn something that gives no results?
>you'll get that parking spot, good grade, shitty 9-5 that at least pays somewhat decently, maybe even that girl you wanted to hook up with
Ah, so the small things are possible but not the big things. Interesting. So you're not just a total atheist skeptic idiot.
Why do you think that is? What explanation do you have that "small" things can happen, but "big" things would be impossible?

>>39528547
>if you had a shred of honesty, you wouldn't be egging him on
The word would be "encouraging him" but I'm not even doing that. He's figuring out his issues at his own rate.

>you'd advise him to get the (professional) help he so obviously needs
What help do you think he needs and why? Most psych practitioners are like doctors, the more honest of them say "we'll try this and see if it helps." They have no idea until they see the results if it will. I believe a smart /pol/tard put it best- you only go for psych help if you can't talk honestly with yourself.

...Speaking of which, have you reserved an appointment?

>you may just be as schizophrenic as him
I never claimed to be "sane." "Sane" people burn other people at the stake because someone else tells them "God" wants them to.

I've said this before, but you really love the 3d don't you? She's not that into you. She'll give you cancer if you're not careful.

>>39528612
>I will never understand why someone would want magic to be fake. I mean why? Wouldn't you want manifesting to be real?
you would if it was, I've been where you are, I also spent time "BTFOing the skeptics" here and saying it "worked on my machine", but the fact of the matter is that this just isn't a "law" that works consistently
I get random synchronicities, sure, but did I win the lottery? no. still have to work a shitty ass 9-5 IT helpdesk job (which I "manifested" in the first place) which does pay decently, despite "manifesting" financial freedom for over a year
>>39528633
>Why would it defy reason?
because
>Can I manifest ____?
>Yes!
how many degen anons have come through these threads wanting to become women, futas, giants, 2D anime characters, shift into other realities?
and how many have succeeded? 0
>It actually works for me.
sure it does, it "worked on my machine" too until I realized it just never did, I was just living a regular ass life and everything I "manifested" could've just been a regular Tuesday
>Why do you think that is? What explanation do you have that "small" things can happen, but "big" things would be impossible?
the chances of finding a parking spot, getting a free cup of coffee, landing a job, renting an apartment, getting a girlfriend etc. are infinitely larger than winning the lottery, conjuring fireballs, floating mid-air, waking up in a McMansion with a lambo in your garage when yesterday you were barely scraping by
one's the type of shit that just happens in a regular life, the other is stuff that lilanon will tell you is possible, but no anon in the history of these generals has done, though I'm sure you'll say they just never bothered coming back to post about their success

>>39528655
>I never claimed to be "sane."
fair enough, at least you admit it

>>39528612
>I guess some people really do just want to remain weak and powerless
Incel mentality

>>39528633
>Why do you think that is? What explanation do you have that "small" things can happen, but "big" things would be impossible?
His intelligence stat is too low to notice much of anything

Basically it's a low intelligence incel trying to convert others to his level. It's hilarious in a way. It's equivalent to some disabled retard rolling his wheelchair onto the soccer pitch during a soccer game and screaming to the soccer players that soccer isn't real

>>39528715
>did I win the lottery? no. still have to work a shitty ass 9-5 IT helpdesk job (which I "manifested" in the first place) which does pay decently, despite "manifesting" financial freedom for over a year
So you've had some successes and you are impatient for more...but you are quitting?

I had to manifest for almost a decade and do self-improvement work before I started getting big money returns. I'm easily as stubborn as you, are you going to give up now and just let your dreams go and be bitter about it?

>and how many have succeeded? 0
> the other is stuff that lilanon will tell you is possible, but no anon in the history of these generals has done
You're doing something awfully convenient- you claim something that is not true, and then you admit that you are ignoring the things you refuse to believe.

Dishonest dude. Not that I care that you are doing it to us, but you are being dishonest to yourself.

You had actual successes. Not as big as you'd like, it must have hurt your ego, but you had them. Now you are lying to yourself trying to pretend this isn't real because you didn't commit to it to the degree that you needed to.

How does it feel?

>>39528715
>but the fact of the matter is that this just isn't a "law" that works consistently
different people get different results. Why is this so hard to understand?
>I get random synchronicities
they aren't random
>still have to work a shitty ass 9-5 IT helpdesk job (which I "manifested" in the first place) which does pay decently, despite "manifesting" financial freedom for over a year

>I worked out for over a year, but I still can't lift 800 pounds. I guess it's impossible. It's a scam, it's fake.
>Sure you can lift 10 pounds. Or even 100
>But 800? total fairy tale
This is what you sound like.
>sure it does, it "worked on my machine" too until I realized it just never did, I was just living a regular ass life and everything I "manifested"
Ah, so you think it doesn't work at all. So you are a just a total atheist
Everything is just random collisions between particles, the universe is meaningless, and when you die there's nothing.
>>Why do you think that is? What explanation do you have that "small" things can happen, but "big" things would be impossible?
>one's the type of shit that just happens in a regular life
Then you're bad at magic. If you can't tell that your intentions are manifesting in reality, and it's not "random chance", then you simply didn't do enough testing to make sure it's true beyond a shadow of a doubt.
That there's no way so many "random" coincidences could line up, all according to what you were intending.

>>39528788
>His intelligence stat is too low to notice much of anything
>Basically it's a low intelligence incel trying to convert others to his level. It's hilarious in a way. It's equivalent to some disabled retard rolling his wheelchair onto the soccer pitch during a soccer game and screaming to the soccer players that soccer isn't real
He already admitted he thinks it's all a "random" coincidence.
I guess he just never had the curiosity to test things out, and see just how far this goes. How many weird things could he manifest? And how many "random" coincidences could he manifest in a month?
And why is it that you can manifest really odd specific things, like a woman with a red scarf next to a barking dog as a car passes by, but other things which are also "unlikely" and very "Specific" don't happen.
Like all the "big" things you want? Sounds strange, right?
But he didn't want to figure out why that is. So now it's all fake and just random coincidences. What an idiot

>>39527847
>>39527732
I think this general gets the most shills because it's the most accessible to the general public. In /OMG/ or even /CM/ the naysayers would get told to practice for years before they can see tangible results, and said results are usually most esoteric. Whereas here the concept is more simple, the results usually mostly material, and the idea of law of attraction is known to the public to the point where most have some opinion of it already.

>>39527804
>Why are you still here?
Look at all the (You)s they're getting. That's why.

>>39528311
I saw a list somewhere of popular topics that content farms use for YouTube automation, and something along the lines of 'manifestation' was one of the top topics. Make of that what you will.
Also, those who can't do; teach.

>>39528809
I honestly don't know why you're still engaging with him. He's either dishonest, emotionally retarded, or a blatant troll. Either way, you'll never convince him of anything, and arguing with these people just attracts more of them.

>>39528800
>I had to manifest for almost a decade and do self-improvement work
What kind of self improvement work?

>>39528869
I had to completely shift how I viewed myself and how others did as well. I did sales training where the focus was to get you past the crab in a bucket mentality and let go of limitations you are taught about what humans can and cannot do. I also did a lot of esoteric study and learned things chaos magicians dabble in such as social engineering and mind hacking.

At one point I was improving so fast that people around me told me I was a different person every time I talked with them. Some were impressed, others were fearful.

At a certain point it clicked though. Money started flowing to me in much larger quantities and has ever since. It doesn't have to take decades, but it does that that "one thing." If you are stubborn, that can be awhile.