How to get started with meditation?
>>39587317you arent thoughts youre the awareness, pretend thoughts are clouds, pull back and watch them float by, practice being the Watcher
>>39587317A decent simple beginning approach to tranquility meditation I came across once and personally found effective for quieting my mind and feeling very calm is to first find a nice place with fresh air to sit, then set a timer with a genle alarm sound like maybe a soft bell, and then start off your meditation by closing your eyes and mentally counting your in-breaths up to some number (say 12 or 60). Then count every second in-breath for the same number, then every fourth in-breath for the same number, and then stop counting and just focus on breathing in itself until the alarm goes off. You could also count out-breaths instead of in-breaths. I'm not sure if there's a reason to prefer one or the other. Beyond that, I could recommend this guide: https://www.dhammatalks.org/books/WithEachAndEveryBreath/Contents.htmlBut there are lots of approaches to "meditation" with different purposes (some mainly about using concentration to induce tranquility, some more focused on an open-ended mindfulness to gain insight into how experience operates, and some based on active visualization to produce certain effects), so if you try something and after a while you don't find yourself getting much out of it, feel free to look elsewhere.
Many people say that you can "Be in meditation while doing anything" but in my personal opinion this is extremely hard to pull of because the majority of people think and analyze what they are doing 24/7 and most of them don't even realize it, in other words they don't directly experience what they are doing and only do while being hypnotized by the ego and its thoughts/emotions.People also say that there are many ways to meditate (watch a candle, watch a white wall, listen to binaural beats, open-monitoring in which you notice everything which arises in the field of your awareness e.t.c.), for me that all of these have the same end-goal: Achieving a relaxed state of body and reclaiming the focus of your awareness which has been taken away into following stories and analyzations made up by the mind.Also let us think of the body first:Sit in the dark with no distractions and see if your body and breathing are relaxed, don't think and analyze what you feel, just focus on the feeling of your body sitting there and breathing. Did you find any tension? Just focus on it and let it relax, maybe you will find that you don't need to "do the relaxing" and that the relaxing happens automatically once you spot the tension.For me relaxing my body was a crucial part which I ignored for a long time, but how can there be silence and stillness if the basis of your being (your body) is not attuned to silence and stillness? Muscle is about 40% of your body mass and you have the ability to relax it.Plus this muscle relaxation also trains you to distinguish between when you're actually focusing on something and when you're hypnotized and taken away into daydreaming.After you get really good at relaxing your muscles focus on your breathing. An anon many months ago on here said that the main objective of meditation is to return your breathing into its original state when you were young: Relaxed, deep and without strain.This of course also trains the focusing of your awareness.
Just sit still and breathe.
Retake the focus of your attention from automatic language-thinking and use it to actually see what is happening.
>>39587317Treat your thoughts like leaves floating down a stream you are sat in front of - don't worry about where they came from, don't worry about where they're going, just observe them. If the thought "I have to do X tomorrow" pops into being you just go "k". Don't engage the thought, don't anticipate the next thought, just embrace being between thoughts
>>39587317Vipassana and shamatha meditation guide for retards:Step 1: Sit down comfortably and close your eyes.Step 2: Let your mind wander through the memories in your embarrassing life without consciously fixating on any.Step 3: Do this until you feel a mental yank and start hearing a humming sound similar to tinnitus, then make the sound your object of meditation, focusing completely on it, and don't let it go.Extra Step: Dedicate less than 20 minutes to it and open a thread complaining about shit not working.
Clear your mind and relax your body totally.Don't let any thought take place in your mind, don't let any emotion/tension take place in your body.
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>>39590640Should I let my mind wander until it has nothing more to say and the humming sound comes? Will this sound come to any person 100%?Or should I pick an object and just bring myself back to it each time I catch myself thinking?
>>39595147>Should I let my mind wander until it has nothing more to say and the humming sound comes? Will this sound come to any person 100%?If you want to do it following my "guide" you should let your mind wander at first, flowing naturally through memories (which are sensations), observing them without sticking to them. And yeah, the humming comes to everyone through any meditative practice, for some it will come easy for some it won't, could take you 20 minutes or an hour or two. The more you get the humming the easier it becomes to go back to it willingly, but at first you'll just have to sit down and meditate until it decides to appear.>Or should I pick an object and just bring myself back to it each time I catch myself thinking?That's what you're going to do with the humming once it appears, this type of meditation where you concentrate on a single element is called shamatha. Until you get the humming, do vipassana instead, which consists on observing and examining various sensations, in this case your flow of memories.People who start with shamatha always struggle and are likely to abandon. Vipassana is way more natural for a beginners, you switch to shamatha only when the hum appears, making the hum your only element of concentration, this method is how i would teach anyone with no experience.
>>39587317Reminder to the crypto-Buddhist thread:THER3E ARE MANY DIFFERENT WAYS TO MEDITATE, WITH MANY DIFFERENT GOALS.DO NOT LET BUDDHISTS PREACHERS TELL YOU THERE IS ONLY ONE WAY, FOR ONLY ONE REASON.
>>39587317You read the bible
Every type of meditation has different fruits. Samatha: Focusing on your breath. Teaches concentration.Vipassana: Body sensory scanning. Teaches you how to feel, which leads to pleasure. Teaches your ego to let things go. Pranayama: Breathing exercises that build up the air element, gives control over thoughts, and teaches concentration. Pranayama gives a pleasant mental energy boost.Gayatri Mantra Meditation: A prayer that asks the deity to illuminate the mind with wisdom. Continued meditation will blessings of the deity, wisdom of the deity, feeling the energy of the deity, removing sins and ignorance, create an astral body in the form of the deity, initiation into the heaven of the deity.Taoist: Mainly focused on cultivating energy, and letting energy flow. Not really focused on purifying the mind. So only taoist energy work can lead to a huge ego, but lots of pleasure from the energy.Scripture Study: A great way to purify the mind, as the insights that might take many hours of introspective meditation, can be plainly stated in a few words. >>39595316This
>>39595316>DO NOT LET BUDDHISTS PREACHERS TELL YOU THERE IS ONLY ONE WAY, FOR ONLY ONE REASON.The funny thing is, many buddhist dont even realize there are different goals and fruits for the mainstream buddhist meditations. Shamatha and vipassana lead to quite different fruits.
>>39596070Shamatha is simply concentrating in one point or element, undivided attention. And vipassana is simply the "soft examination" and observation of many points or elements. Breathing is the most common and traditional element/s used in both but i find it's not the best choice for beginners. Using thoughts instead is easier and better for vipassana, and using the humming sound that this produces (the "nada sound") which is a nimitta, it's better for shamatha because its vibration is felt throughout the whole body and it's a flat, constant sound.Breathing is seen as the "old reliable" because you never stop breathing so it's always there, but so are trains of thought, which you are more engaged with regularly and offer more variety for vipassana.
>>39596070>Pranayama: Breathing exercises that build up the air element, gives control over thoughts, and teaches concentration. Pranayama gives a pleasant mental energy boost.>Gayatri Mantra Meditation: A prayer that asks the deity to illuminate the mind with wisdom. Continued meditation will blessings of the deity, wisdom of the deity, feeling the energy of the deity, removing sins and ignorance, create an astral body in the form of the deity, initiation into the heaven of the deity.>Taoist: Mainly focused on cultivating energy, and letting energy flow. Not really focused on purifying the mind. So only taoist energy work can lead to a huge ego, but lots of pleasure from the energy.>Scripture Study: A great way to purify the mind, as the insights that might take many hours of introspective meditation, can be plainly stated in a few words.none of those are meditations
>>39595273I see, thank you very much, indeed I have struggled with single-point concentration for many years because all these thoughts always came and took my focus away, vipassana sounds more natural and better for me, thank you again.
>>39598064In Vipassana retreats they spend the first 3 days just focusing on the space around your nose and lip for 10-12h/day. It's used as a crash course to train awareness. After that they move on to scanning areas on the body up and down, back and forth.
how is meditation different from gooning? they both feel like take on hedonism, just from opposite sides of the bell curve this is a genuine question, I need a take on this so I can formalize intuitively in my head
>>39587317These free guided meditations are very goodhttps://www.penguinrandomhouse.com/mindfulness-meditation-downloads/
>>39598378Meditation is not fun and is hard to do, it's like exercise
>>39587317Simple. If you have any questions ask.
>>39598390so is gooning, you are doing both with the goal of feeling something positive
>>39598404Gooning is actively pleasurable and easy to do, meditation is not and your mind resists it.
>>39598378Meditation means different thing at different levels. At the most basic level, meditation means to experience the reality without any bias/prejudice, most of your reality is tainted by what you have done in the past and what might happen in future. Meditation allows you to remove the concept of time, and experience the preset. Once that happens, you start seeing things that previously weren't visible. Then meditation changes it's meaning.
>>39598378>>39598420 ContinuedAnd yes you are onto something. It's not gooning though. The exact moment of orgasm is meditation, at that moment both your unconscious and conscious mind forgets about the notion of time.
>>39587317>how to get started with meditationeat neem leafmeditation mode : activated
>>39598420>>39598416do people start to meditate with the promise of achieving a pleasurable state of being?even if you fail and give up before getting there, you still get the kick from trying and overcoming something unpleasurablegooning might be pleasurable for the body in the moment, but its very much not so in other contexts
>>39598457as the old saying goes : you don't try and meditate; you simply find yourself in meditation
>>39598462> the promise of achieving a pleasurable state of beingThe original reason was always curiosity. There is an old tale about the origin of Tantra. In India a group of people were climbing the Himalayan mountain's, and they saw a guy who was sitting completely still on a rock with barely anything covering his skin. They tried to talk to him, but he didn't respond so they waited for him to wake up. But he didn't. Months passed by, and he was still sitting without any source of food. That group of people later became his disciples.TLDR; Curiosity. You have an intrinsic need to see what happens if you meditate. There is no other motive. Just experience.
>>39598557curiosity runs on dopamine loop, just like infinite scrolling
>>39598557>>39598462no, meditation is a tool to achieve something, either samatha or higher knowledge
>>39598890Nope, the original motive was always curiosity. That's how we learn to walk, to move our feet, to think, etc. Meditation is just inner exploration. It's an adventure you don't know what you may find.> Samatha or Higher Knowledge- remember word is not the thing- the word "tree" is not the same thing as the actual thingThese words are useless.
>>39598890gooning is a tool to achieve something
>>39598957yes gooning is a tool utilized by your enemies for your destruction
>>39598990Why would I have enemies?
>>39587317if you are struggling with back pain and posture problems while sitting, try working out your back. i the realization meditation was telling me to lift; my body was unfit to meditatemaybe obvious to some but i noticed by accident after doing seated rows for a couple of weeks its easier to maintain my position while meditating
>>39588668>355 KB> Many people say that you can "Be in meditation while doing anything" but in my personal opinion this is extremely hard to pull of because the majority of people think and analyze what they are doing 24/7 and most of them don't even realize it, in other words they don't directly experience what they are doing and only do while being hypnotized by the ego and its thoughts/emotions.this is why to tackle the breath firstby the time you master it and make it highly efficient, you have a way to harness the energy that creates random thoughts before they manifest as such
>>39590597>Treat your thoughts like leaves floating down a stream you are sat in front of - don't worry about where they came from, don't worry about where they're going, just observe themthis is the worst meditation advice everit just furthers thinking with no effort to stop itits 100% a recipe to spin your wheels and make 0 progress in meditation
>>39599101hes right. you arent thoughts you the observer of them, practice being the observer and they eventually stop, when theyre gone youre left with the pure awareness, practice being the awareness, and youre free
The jhanas are well mapped by now. The gurus of the buddha managed to get up to 7 and 8th but nobody know how they did it. Once the jhanas are mapped, and the siddhis are developed, there's really no surprise and no curiosity left. It's not like samadhi is super mysterious and since it only tells you about samasra, it's intellecually and emotionally just intrinsically uninteresting.
>>39590640>Extra Step: Dedicate less than 20 minutes to it and open a thread complaining about shit not working.kek
>>39598262Is the final form of vipassana like open monitoring meditation in which you just take notice of anything which pops up in your awareness (be it thoughts, sensations, emotions e.t.c.) without clinging on to it?
>>39587317Buddhist meditation requires attaining Right View first. The Buddha didn't praise all kinds of meditation, just Right Meditation and Right View is the sole basis on which one discerns what is Right Meditation and what isn't
>>39598398Really good and simple guide.Meditation is a package: It's stillness, it's being aware of thoughts without being hypnotized by them, it's calming the breath, it's conquering the mind.
>>39597469They are. The newb buddhists flooding /x/ are retarded if they think vipassana and samatha are the only two types of meditation. >>39597274>Shamatha is simply concentrating in one point or element, undivided attention. It is focusing on the breath. Which causes the mind to get bored and turn introspective which leads to processing deep personal insights. Among other things. > And vipassana is simply the "soft examination" and observation of many points or elements.Vipassana is scanning the body, which is essentially teaching a person how to relax, and how to feel, and how to let go. When a problem comes in real life, their ego has learned to just relax, let go, and start feeling again, and ignore the psychological pain. >Using thoughts instead is easier and better for vipassanaBut then it would not be vipassana. It would be something else.>>39598378Meditation is just learning to focus your attention on a set of exercises or things to concentrate on. As many things and exercises there are to concentrate on, so are there numbers of meditations to practice. Each has different fruits. >>39598390A newb learning it is very, very boring. Once you break through it becomes amazing, and can lead to great pleasure and peace. Sort of like playing an instrument, when you compare a person cluelessly picking up an instrument for the first time, and compare to a master of that instrument. >At the most basic level, meditation means to experience the reality without any bias/prejudiceThis is just buddhist newbie dogma. There are many different schools teaching different philosophies behind their system of meditation. They dont all have the same goal.
>>39600608>But then it would not be vipassana. It would be something else.Vipassana and shamatha are just meditative practice that are defined by the examination of various objects of meditation, or the concentration upon a single object of meditation, respectively. It has nothing to do with the breathing. The breathing is just the "popularized" object of meditation for both methodologies. You can practice vipassana with the rain droplets falling on you, the air hitting your body, thoughts...etc. Utilizing body scanning for vipassana es just a method, with that method you're examining the different sensations in the body, that's all. For shamatha the same, if you're concentrating on a candle flame, a specific feeling, a mental image, a sigil, an apple, as long as you're concentrating on a single, isolated element with undivided attention, that's shamatha.
>>39600662what about deeznatha
>>39600700Dunno, ask your sister.
>>39600662Can you explain how one would do vipassana on their thoughts, and vipassana on rain drops?
>>39600858Vipassana is the examination of various sensations and their impermanence, meaning how they're constantly changing. Everything is considered sensations, the raindrops hitting your body, the thoughts, breathing, a chair....etc.The point of practicing vipassana is to sharpen and expand the range of awareness when perceiving sensations. If you practice vipassana with the breathing, at first you might be able to identify a handful of different sensations conforming your breathing, but as the practice goes on you'll end up identifying and perceiving more and more sensations conforming the breathing, dozens, hundreds... Practicing vipassana increases the amount of information you're able to examine in the sensations you interact with and in those you're conformed of.Shamatha on the other hand focuses on cultivating stability, like holding a ball on the tip of your finger, it's hard, but the more you do it the more easily you will stabilize the ball, and you'll be able to stabilize it for longer. Shamatha and vipassana are both meant to be practiced, not just one of them.
>>39600915>expand the range of awareness when perceiving sensations.I dunno. I got the goenka vipassana training, and to me, vipassana of the goenka style, is about learning how to feel through doing body scans. An over-active studious mind learns that they can focus just as much awareness on their feelings, as they are used to spending on their thoughts. And focusing on feelings produces relaxation and pleasure. So they develop a safe haven of pleasure they can always access. And many positive effects on training the ego to let things go.
>>39601041>i dunnoI'm telling you. It's cool that you used body scanning as a method for practicing vipassana, you could've practice it while wiping your ass and it would've been as valid within the vipassana framework. Maybe the extreme example makes it easier to understand, i've already explained what it is though.
>>39601055I still do not understand how to practice "vipassana with thoughts" or "vipassana with raindrops". Focusing on totally different things, leads to totally different fruits.
>>39601055>you could've practice it while wiping your ass and it would've been as valid within the vipassana frameworkThis would be a body scan, which is valid within the goenka framework, although he generally skips over the genital scans kinda because its ackward. But your teaching seems like something totally different, that would lead to totally different fruits.
>>39601076I've told you what vipassana is, and what is used for primarily. What is it that you don't understand exactly? It seems like you just have a different understanding of what vipassana is, and that's why it doesn't make sense to you.Why do you think body scanning is used sometimes for vipassana? Because it easily gives access to a wide variety of sensations, and that's the point of vipassana, to break down sensations into smaller ones through a soft examination of them. This increases the range of one's awareness, where you once were able to identify, let's say, 10 different sensations, through the practice of vipassana that number increases.
>>39601130Explain the process of doing vipassana on the thoughts. Which school of meditation teaches to do vipassana on the thoughts?>that's the point of vipassana, to break down sensations into smaller ones ...This is what I already said. It teaches you to feel.
>>39601130>Why do you think body scanning is used sometimes for vipassana?Goenka vipassana IS body scanning. Which school is teaching to do vipassana on the thoughts?There is a very specific of the brain that deals with body sensations that is activated and developed from goenka style vipassana. A person learns to root out fear, aversion and craving towards bodily sensations by meditating on them. If one were to seek sensations outside of their body, it would not activate this same area of the brain, which is why I keep saying its a different meditation.
copy & pasted reply from a diff meditation thread;Months it took me, At my peak I was meditating between 1 - 2 hours. But its also how you grasp it, like some anon said your not supposed to go into it with some weird focus on something while meditating, go into it completely blank and "observe" what comes up...It is a muscle you have to train, a dicipline no matter which "type" of meditation you go through. At a certain point your body will adapt to the different trance and different brain waves you go through. At the same time visualization is very important mind = all = mind that is a big realization youll need to produce further results. Once you get the visualization down (think artist) everything will follow...Also a big pro tip I can give yall is meditate before going to sleep, youll either meditate and go to sleep or youll meditate and slowly shift into a lucid dream. Both these result in lucid dreams one just faster than the other.Good luck.
>>39601147Vipassana is about developing understanding/insight into impermanence, suffering and non self, through the observation of reality. Reality is conformed of sensations, that includes thoughts.The specific methodology of practicing vipassana on thoughts is in various schools, like thai forest buddhism, Sayadaw's or zen. That's besides the point, it doesn't matter if a school utilizes a certain methodology or not, if they don't use it it doesn't mean it's "wrong". Vipassana can be practices with anything, anywhere at any time, sensations can be engaged with through every sensory channel and they can be observed and examined, and if you do it without being attached to them, only being aware of their impermanence, then you're practicing vipassana.To practice vipassana on thoughts you simply need to observe them as they arise, like i've said around 10 times in this thread, without sticking to them and letting them flow, observing how they change.
>>39601202>Vipassana can be practices with anythingI dunno. This whole "vipassana on your thoughts" thing just sounds like a totally different meditation, with different fruits. >To practice vipassana on thoughts you simply need to observe them as they arise without sticking to them and letting them flow, observing how they change.>or zenWell I wouldn't call this vipassana, but you do you. Observing the thoughts leads to different fruits than observing the body sensations. One leads to insight into mind. The other leads to insight into feelings.
>>39601235Look, vipassana isn’t defined by where you direct your attention, it’s about how you observe reality to gain insight into impermanence, suffering, and non self. Reality includes all sensations, whether they arise in the body, the mind, or external phenomena. I don't think it can be explained clearer than this.If goenka’s body scanning works for you, great, but calling anything outside of that "not vipassana" is like saying a hammer is the only tool that can build a house. Don’t mistake your method for the entirety of the practice.
>>39601269Thanks for sharing> it’s about how you observe realityYes. Watching your thoughts after regular readings of buddhist philosophy will yield different insights than if one had primed their mind with alternative philosophies. A nice yogic saying is "the yogi makes union with the object of his meditation". So by priming the mind with concepts like suffering, impermanence, craving and aversion, it naturally leads to insights into them. But they are far from being the only things to meditate on, or the only desirable fruits of meditation.>Don’t mistake your method for the entirety of the practice.On most /x/ threads asking meditation, we get a bunch of comments from buddhists who seem to think only buddhist meditation is valid.
>>39601287Vipassana isn’t about priming with philosophy, it’s about direct observation of reality, revealing universal truths like impermanence and non self. These insights arise naturally, regardless of object. Observing thoughts, body, or anything else points to the same truths when done with awareness and detachment vipassana’s goal is insight, not attachment to a specific method or fruit.>On most /x/ threads asking meditation, we get a bunch of comments from buddhists who seem to think only buddhist meditation is valid.This is because buddhism has a monopoly on "pop meditation", at least in the west. It's more ignorance than arrogance.
>>39601310>Vipassana isn’t about priming with philosophyI think some of it is. I don't think I would have significant insights on impermanence, or similar concepts, without being primed for it.>it’s about direct observation of realityYes>These insights arise naturally, regardless of objectI believe this is true for some concepts, like non-self. I'm more skeptical of some of the others, that they would be revealed like a blazing sun of glory as the result of prolonged meditation, without being primed for them in scriptural readings. Example of Priming: Buddhists like to focus on suffering. However if they focused on finding the joy in all things, they would also find it. They might even declare it as a universal truth, that there is also a tiny sliver of joy in everything, and you just have to learn how to see it.>vipassana’s goal is insight, not attachment to a specific method or fruit.What you focus on is what you gain insight on. Permanence or impermanence.Self or non-self.Suffering or joy.
>>39601343Priming can guide attention, but vipassana is about seeing reality as it is, beyond concepts. Impermanence isn’t a "focus", it’s an observable fact in every sensation, thought, or feeling, its realization is inevitable through vipassana. Joy, suffering, permanence...etc, are subjective filters. Vipassana doesn't use those, it just cuts to the nature of all phenomena, which is basically arising, passing, and beyond control.Insights aren’t imposed by scripture, they’re discovered through direct experience, whether you're "primed" or not.
>>39601390The big metta guys, who spread loving kindness, destroy suffering faster than some of the other methods. Where you focus is where you go.
>>39601390>Insights aren’t imposed by scriptureBut are you so sure that "impermanence" is one of the biggest insights yielded from these meditations, rather than being a result of priming from buddhist philosophy?Because I hear non-religious westerners (including my parents) saying things like that all the time that "it won't last". Most people realize the impermanence of this life just by living it, without having to meditate.
>>39599101You're the olfactory anon right?I agree with you that taming the breath is important but that anon gave good advice, surely not "worst meditation advice ever".I mean, thoughts WILL come when you sit to practice and this is a good way to treat them: Indifferently and without caring where they came from, then you return to meditation.
>>39601500People intellectually grasp impermanence, sure, but through vipassana it's revealed on a visceral, experiential level. It’s not just "life won’t last", it’s directly observing every sensation, thought, and emotion arising and passing away in real time. That depth of insight transforms how you relate to suffering and attachment, that's the point of it. Without meditation most people know impermanence but still cling, resist, and suffer.
>>39601500I feel a bit bad about continually shilling Thanissaro, but I really like what he has to say on the topic of the "Three Perceptions"/"Three Marks of Existence" which include impermanence, or, as he believes it's better translated as, inconstancy, which "implies not only that things end, but that they change even as they’re continuing, even as they last. They’re unreliable and unpredictable."In Thanissaro's interpretation, the three perceptions aren't mystical insights that can only be obtained by meditation, but rather they're just especially useful things to keep in mind about phenomena in order to reduce clinging to them."So when we’re exercising our discernment and applying the three perceptions to whatever’s coming up in our awareness, we’re passing a value judgment as to which actions are worth doing and which actions are not worth doing, which ones are worth the effort and which ones are not, seen in the light of the quest for genuine happiness. The perceptions are designed to raise your standards so you won’t keep craving things that will make you suffer. When you come across something in your practice, you judge it. If any of the three perceptions apply, then it’s not what you’re looking for.""Now, there are some things that are stressful and inconstant, but they lead to your long-term welfare and happiness. Virtue and concentration, for instance, require effort to maintain them, but because they’re essential to the path to the end of suffering and stress, you hold on to them for the time being. You wait until they’re fully developed and have performed their functions before you let them go. This means that, as you progress in the practice, you have apply the three perceptions selectively primarily to things that would pull you off the path, until you get to the very end. That’s when you apply the three perceptions across the board."https://www.dhammatalks.org/books/uncollected/ThreePerceptions.html
All these anons doing named meditations techniques meanwhile I just sit there and enter a trance that lets me visualize life force and manipulate it.Yall going too hard for something thats very individualist, one meditation might not work for someone but it works for you.
>>39587317Sit. Breathe.Keep sitting. Keep breathing.Keep breathing while doing other things.Then die. And maybe continue breathing after.Or not.
>>39601196meditation is the exact oppositeyou filter out the bad state of mind and bad sensory inputs and you cultivate the good onesand lucid dreams are not meditation, they are meaningless entertainment.
>>39602929Looks like someone hasnt scratched the surface yet
>>39602929There's such a thing as dream yoga. Also, meditation on stimuli that induce "bad states of mind" and working to understand that you don't have to be in that state of mind is a useful practice.
