>>39626654
You don't believe what he's saying and you're likely just posting this as bait

>>39626671
>You don't believe what he's saying
I don't 100% disbelieve it either. And I think the amount of seethe he causes is telling

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>>39626654
He was literally debunked by Ben ages ago (https://youtu.be/309kmU8aN_M) yet you keep spamming this same thread over and over without responding to Ben's arguments.

>>39626681
No, you 100% disbelieve it and only post it to cause people to disagree. It's been debunked multiple times, and you keep posting this thread because you want to piss people off and attempt to manufacture a consensus.

>>39626733
>ben schizo bs that has nothing to do with the topic at hand

>>39626654
What happened to him on his visit to Egypt?

>>39626740
>It's been debunked multiple times
Then I invite you to post it. The deboonking that is

>>39626654
>this post is of low quality
and posted how many times again?

>>39626733
dubs of truth

>>39626751
>this post is of low quality
*I disagree with this post and seeing it makes me upset

>announcing your report

>>39626749
https://youtu.be/309kmU8aN_M
Here


now Shut the fuck up

>>39626761
I can barely hear what he's saying through the echo filter but it doesn't seem to have anything to do with Ammon Hillman.

>>39626749
It's been getting debunked since last fucking year when you idiots first started spamming this shit.
https://archive.4plebs.org/x/thread/38541539/#38547885
You don't care, because you aren't saying this because you believe it's true. You're saying it because you want other stupid people to think it is, because you hate Christianity.

>>39626775
it's not normal to be wearing nothing but a blanket, not even in antiquity

>>39626733
Checked
Christ is King and Ben proves it

Ammon is a dumbass

>>39626774
>gets given proof
>NOOOO I CANT HEAR IT

>>39626798
Can you provide a transcript and timestamp?

>>39626819
I'm not going to type out the whole video for you. I can watch it and hear it myself and so can anyone else in this thread. We can see through your sanctimonious bullshit.

>>39626733
You just burned your credibility now I know it's true.

>>39626825
Post just one sentence from the video that has anything to do with Ammon Hillman. If you refuse I have no choice but to assume you're a liar.

>>39626837
"This is already a memory, you are living in the memory of God, this is God's memory"

>>39626852
And what does that have to do with Ammon Hillman or Jesus? BENfaggot trying to insert his fan fiction into something totally unrelated again

>>39626786
It isn't a blanket you idiot, it's a sleeping robe. Or a death shroud, depending on how you'd like to interpret it. That's where the actual disagreement between scholars is, whether or not Christ's presence revived someone from the dead or it was just a man (adult) who woke up and decided to join the precession. Not whether or not Jesus fucked a kid. You're just coping. And again, you know that it isn't true. You just don't like Christianity and are psychologically primed to believe this because of it.

>>39626897
>It isn't a blanket you idiot, it's a sleeping robe
Why was he wearing a sleeping robe in a public park with Jesus in the early hours of the morning?

>>39626654
Is this the tweaker who thinks Jesus was a pedo?

>>39626905
You know anon if you'd ever actually read the Bible and the context around what happened instead of getting your information from Satan worshiping drug addicts you would know this. I also already explained it, and you ignored it. He awoke, saw the group heading towards the garden, and decided to join them to see what Christ had to say.

>>39627015
>instead of getting your information from Satan worshiping drug addicts you would know this.

He was reading the original greek text

>>39626654
why is there a fucking lizardman on the index

>>39627066
No he wasn't. You keep repeating this, he is making up a translation that nobody- not even his colleagues who are hostile to Christianity -accepts as being true. He is literally just making shit up. And again, be honest. You don't believe it.

>>39626654
ive never seen him or anyone shilling him support a single claim of his step by step. asking these people for the evidence is all it takes to debunk it.

>>39627066
like everyone else does, only inserting bizarre and totally unsupported definitions, so long as they match with his perverted fantasy.

>>39626972
yes.

>>39626654
Still haven't seen anyone prove him to be correct

>>39630807
exactly, especially not himself

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>>39626654
Larpers megamalding at the realization that corrupt institutions make up stories to sell their shit itt

Hillman—and anyone else translating old Greek —is based.

are you guys aware that hillman wants to BRING BACK the "children used as drugs" Mystery Cults he describes?

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>>39632398
Cults trafficking children? Inconceivable.

>>39632448
yes, that's the point. ammon acknowledges that, and wants to bring back its implementation.

>>39632483
You say “bring back” like Americans don’t pay taxes to pedophiles. You live in a retarded fantasy if you don’t understand that those cults never died.

>>39632568
This. Anon >>39632483 probably thinks it's a hoax by libtards that Christian clergy molests kids

>>39633207
You don't care about that. You don't like Christianity because you hate following it's rules. You don't like the idea of God judging you for jerking off and being a lazy shithead. Everything else is post hoc rationalization.

>You don't care about that. You don't like Christianity because you hate following it's rules. You don't like the idea of God judging you for jerking off and being a lazy shithead. Everything else is post hoc rationalization.
>doesn't even deny that the church touches kids and is part of the cult

>>39633404
>doesn't deny what I said
>continues to pretend as though his main issue is with abuse in the church
>not that he hates the idea of going there every sunday and listening to someone tell him he's a bad person
>which he knows is true

>>39633433
I don't like Christianity because I don't believe I need to ask God for forgiveness for anything. The real God is omnipotent, and knew everything I would ever do before he decided to give me my physical incarnation.

>>39633446
Yeah you don't like Christianity because you live like shit and don't like the idea of an omnipotent God disapproving of that, I know.

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>>39633466
An omnipotent God wouldn't "disapprove" of anything. Everything is exactly how he wants it. Retards endlessly repeat that "without God, all things are permitted", but the truth is, God does permit everything. He defines the parameters of the universe and it just so happens that his creation is full of as much evil as it is goodness. Once again proving that Christians are mental midgets who have no idea what God is and think he's some human king that lives in the sky.

>>39633482
have fun telling Him that when your time comes

>>39633538
Every dualistic ideology reveals itself as an intellectual crutch for minds too fragile to face reality without training wheels. These childish divisions of existence into opposing forces - whether moral, political, or metaphysical - are nothing but comfort blankets for those who can't handle complexity. What arrogance, to think the vast cosmos conforms to your simplistic categories, your playground notions of teams and sides. Those who peddle these binary worldviews are either deluded or manipulative, selling easy answers to difficult questions. The universe simply IS - raw, undivided, utterly indifferent to human attempts to sort it into convenient boxes. Every prophet and ideologue who pushes these dualistic fantasies exposes themselves as a philosophical infant, still needing the safety rails of false dichotomies rather than confronting existence in its overwhelming totality.

>>39633482
Sure he would. But the idea of that convicts you, and you don't like that. The idea that you're doing something wrong that you could be judged for makes you uncomfortable, so you reject the idea of God entirely.

>>39633555
im sure God will enjoy being told how He should be. He will certainly admire and appreciate your insights.

>>39633555
So that means you're allowed to be a lazy shithead who lives like an animal. Isn't that convenient.

>>39633567
>so you reject the idea of God entirely.
I'm doing the opposite of that, I 100% believe in God. My vision is just not limited or biased like yours
>>39633571
>im sure God will enjoy being told how He should be
I'm not doing that, that's you. You're the one shoving God into moral boxes. I'm looking at God how it is, you're speaking of God as you imagine him to be

>>39626654

It just doesn't work in context with the rest of Mark. If you take just that verse, and translate it in the way he does (which isn't the only way), then you can build a credible case, undeniably. But it makes no sense at all considering the rest of the gospel, or even Paul's epistles which came earlier than Mark. It doesn't fit at all.

>>39633580
No, you know exactly who I'm talking about when I say God. Don't be like that anon, you're more intelligent than that. You're speaking of God how you'd like him to be, the way that you can continue to live how you please beyond reproach. If it was all already going to happen, you have no responsibility to behave otherwise. This is cope. You know it is. You're better than this, come on. Be honest.

>>39633578
Are you only not a lazy shithead because you think God doesn't want you to be? What if I'm not a lazy shithead because I personally don't want to be one? Do you even have any agency or concept of self?

>>39633595
>No, you know exactly who I'm talking about when I say God
I don't think the Jewish tribal god YHWH is the most high God and neither is his "son" Jesus

>>39633580
>I'm looking at God how it is, you're speaking of God as you imagine him to be
opposite land. you just thunked up how you think God should be, when God has already revealed Himself. Its fine, obviously nothing will change your mind. But you've created an idol god in your mind according to your own ideas. thats all.

>>39633616
>when God has already revealed Himself
"God revealed himself" to civilizations all over the world for thousands of years. Israel and YHWH are not special, he is a rough approximation of God from the near east not dissimilar to Ba'al or Marduk

>>39633597
But you are a lazy shithead lol. I've talked to probably around a hundred of (You)'s, you're a Type Of Guy. You're indolent and generally apathetic, but above average intelligence and a somewhat deep thinker. That creates a lot of hubris within yourself, and entitlement to behaving how you see fit. A God who judges throws a spanner in this idea of reality, because it makes you inferior to and at the mercy of something greater than you. And that greater force, ostensibly, finds your behavior disagreeable. This is deeply offensive to you, and also a bit frightening. So you plug your ears and close your eyes, either pretend he isn't there or use that big brain of yours to create a new one for yourself who won't send you to time out for being a little shit.

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>>39633626
>But you are a lazy shithead lol. I've talked to probably around a hundred of (You)'s, you're a Type Of Guy. You're indolent and generally apathetic, but above average intelligence and a somewhat deep thinker. That creates a lot of hubris within yourself

>>39633636
You're seething

>>39633642
Is that it? That's your cope?

>>39633650
What's there to cope about you just posted a gigachad image with a copy and paste of what I typed

>>39633621
keep telling yourself that oh wise one.

>>39633656
I was calling you a projecting clown, which you are. You're engaging in trad Christian larping because of your above average intelligence and being a somewhat deep thinker, because religion is unpopular today so your contrarian instincts tell you to be religious. But you don't actually grasp the concept of God outside of being taught from a book

>>39633663
How is what I said wrong? Oh right because your book tells you YHWH is the only true God. Just like they believed in Sumer and Carthage about their gods.

>>39633664
>NO U!!!!!
come on man really

>>39633671
>NO U!!!!!
No, I explained to you the thought process. I spelled it out for you, really

>>39633668
Quick question, which god amongst those is still worshipped globally by billions?

who is danny jones and why does he always host these anti-christian trogs?

>>39633679
>BILLIONS OF PEOPLE BELIEVE SOMETHING IT MUST BE TRUE
Yeah bro the common consensus of the masses is always right

>>39633674
Yeah, I know. No u. Moving on, you are the exact person I described. You don't like the Christian God because the idea of adhering to a structured system of morality that requires something from you personally upsets you. If God is abstract and practically incomprehensible, you can't get in trouble for being a degenerate retard.

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>>39633555

>555

Praise kek!

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>>39633692
Unironically, the orthodox Christian concept of God is primitive and I am above it. Believing in it now would be like me going back to drinking baby formula and wearing diapers

>>39633686
If we're talking in spiritual terms, it's a pretty strong indication that YHWH is at the very least much more powerful and intelligent than any other regional "god." Otherwise, they would still be around.

>>39633713
The elite of the world worship Ba'al, and much of the mythology of YHWH is lifted directly from Ba'al worship.

>>39633710
You're a pretentious narcissist

>>39633721
I knew you would say that. I'm just being honest with you.

>>39633719
No it isn't. This is 70's boomer
>"I HATE MY DAD!"
academia slop. Like saying the Greeks lifted Jupiter from Ba'al because they're both storm deities. Genuinely, if you are an intellectually curious person you cannot read anything written about this shit later than 1959. It's all filled with a bunch of lies and extreme stretches, personal opinions presented as fact. It's so awful what leftist baby boomers did to the base of anthropological knowledge. Fucking retards.

>>39633726
If you were already certain it would be said, then it's something you are aware is true of yourself. Why wouldn't I call you what you know you are?

>>39633713
The Christian God's laughably simplistic role as a "good guy" in a cosmic morality play immediately disqualifies any claim of being the source of existence. What kind of supreme creator restricts itself to one half of a binary moral system? A true source would transcend such childish notions of good versus evil, encompassing all aspects of reality rather than playing favorites in an eternal wrestling match with darkness. The very fact that this deity needs to struggle against evil forces proves its limitations - a genuine prime mover would simply BE, without requiring opposition to define itself. The Christian God is clearly just another player in a larger game, a powerful but ultimately derivative entity desperately trying to control a reality it never created in the first place.

>>39633751
>The Christian God's laughably simplistic role as a "good guy" in a cosmic morality play immediately disqualifies any claim of being the source of existence.
Why? Besides your personal opinion, what mechanically disallows this from being the case? Do not tell me how you personally see the world, specifically state how anything objectively disallows God from being entirely good.

>>39633783
But I thought you studied all the other Gods in "spiritual terms"? Are you stupid?

>>39633806
No, I was throwing you a bone. I consider all other 'gods' to either not exist or be demons larping as gods. You are nowhere near as intelligent as you assume lol

>>39633811
Nice projection. I've already stumped you. Explain why the dualistic worldview is the correct one.

>>39633710
hey look, if you're above it you're above it. move on and leave all us backwards plebs behind, you know? Be the spiritual elite you were always meant to be.

>>39633833
The cowardly backtracking begins.

ITT: Master morality vs Slave morality

>>39633822
You're pretty fucking presumptuous lol. I don't have a dualistic worldview, no Christian does. Satan is inferior to God, he isn't an equal opposite. Interested in elaboration?

>>39633851
>t. autistic manchild who shrivels up in casual conversation

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>>39633880
So he is limited and thus not infinite. Checkmate. Do another Google search retard.

>>39633894
I can hurl insults too, faggot christcuck /pol/tard

>>39633944
No, Satan is limited. Evil is limitation. Evil is bound by good. It's inferior. What you are calling "evil" and consider liberation is actually entrapment and decay. Satan is contra-creation. God is creation, he's the origin of all life and order within the universe. It's not that he can't do certain things, it's that certain things are not things that he does. They're disordered behavior that degrade creation. He is constant and unchanging, the height of perfection. You are very simple. These concepts are actually likely beyond you, so I'm going to skip the theological discussion. You just want to live like shit and be confident God won't care. That's at the center of why you believe what you do.

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>>39633944
Thus not God.

>>39633975
You don't think it's a bit ironic to consider yourself above slave morality? What do you even do anon? Browse the internet and eat junk food? Seethe about how evil leftoids or whatever group you hate are, and how you're at their mercy?

>>39633839
you want me to carry a debate of some kind with a self confessed superior spiritual being? i know better than such folly

>>39634035
>What do you even do anon? Browse the internet and eat junk food?
Even more projection, I do lots of things out in the real world. Do you?

>>39634023
You would consider a God who is willing to, for example, rape and murder you superior to one who won't? What, just because he can? Does the capacity to do something so despicable actually make him more powerful? Or is that something which degrades the quality of an entity, and makes it lesser? Your ideal God is just a normal fallen human who's all powerful. That's a reflection of your personal desires, not a coherent spiritual belief worthy of becoming dogma.

>>39634054
I can always tell when I've got you dead to rights when you
>NUH UH NO U!!!!

>he was resurrecting this boy in the middle of the night
>N n nothing to see here

This isn't in the bible though

Gospel acknowledges there was a half naked male youth in the garden during Jesus arrest

Lestes is better translated as pirate/human trafficker

>The name Lestes comes from the Greek word λῃστής (lēistēs) meaning predator.

All the other stuff about penis drugs and adrenochrome seems far fetched

>>39634089
>Trying to shortsell the idea to make it slightly more palatable
Anon, you don't believe anything you just said. What's so despicable about you people is how effortlessly you lie. Not even a second of introspection, just immediately trying a new tactic to lie when the others don't work. Disgusting people.

>>39634073
You asked a question, and I gave you an answer.

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>>39634017
So God lets Satan run free unchecked?

>>39634115
You claim lying and debunking but you never demonstrate it

Mark 14 51-52
51 A young man, wearing nothing but a linen garment, was following Jesus. When they seized him, 52 he fled naked, leaving his garment behind.

Where is the lie here

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>>39634089
>there was a half naked male youth in the garden during Jesus arrest
was completely covered until the mob tried to grab him and snagged the cloth instead
>Lestes is better translated as pirate/human trafficker
in this context its better understood as 'rebel' or 'fermentor or rebellion'. thats a legitimate use in the literature and the jews had been trying to frame him as such all the time.

Let’s be real—Christianity drips with homoerotic undertones, and the whole thing starts looking like the biggest closet in history when you peel back the sanctimonious layers. You worship a shirtless, ripped dude nailed to a cross, talking about eating his flesh and drinking his blood like it’s some weird fetish dinner party, all while calling him your “eternal bridegroom.” Then there’s the all-male priesthood, centuries of monks shacked up together, and the creepy obsession with purity that sounds like the internalized shame of someone trying way too hard to suppress something. The sheer irony of condemning homosexuality while building a religion so soaked in male bonding and bodily obsession is almost too on-the-nose. If this isn’t one giant projection, then it’s the most unintentionally gay religion ever conceived.

>>39633377
This thread devolved into name-calling, pearl clutching, and massive levels of projecting.
I’ll say this again, because megamalding larpers need to hear it: they lied to us from the moment we could string words together, so that we would play the game for as long as we were naive enough to believe them. You have to grow up and you should want to move on. Otherwise, a lifetime of stagnation and a disappointing conclusion.

And Jesus canonically diddled kids

>>39634197
>was completely covered until the mob tried to grab him and snagged the cloth instead

Was was Jesus doing with a young male teen wearing such clothes in the middle of the night?

>in this context its better understood as 'rebel' or 'fermentor or rebellion'. thats a legitimate use in the literature and the jews had been trying to frame him as such all the time.
You just made this up and has no basis on reality

Stop creating headcanons lol

>>39634208
Christian aesthetics make more sense when you understand it as one big diddy party

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>>39634219
>clothes
It was a medicated cock sock.
That’s what a sindon is . Images like picrel are part of the widely established western tradition of lying to cover the extent of your sexual perversion.

>>39634066
>normal people want to rape
You’re of brown skin aren’t you.

>>39626654
not even anti Christians from ancient times, who spoke ancient Greek, came up with the things he does. Modern anti-Christian Greek Scholars don't believe him. Why would anyone take him seriously?

>>39634219
He was there with a group, and that guy tagged along. it doesn't say that Jesus was alone with him.
>You just made this up and has no basis on reality
very wrong. read the Gospels. the jews were constantly trying to get Jesus set up as stirring up rebellion against Rome, about the most serious thing from the Roman point of view. Leistes has a usage to describe someone like that. Its you who needs to take a look at things instead of slurping up lies from drugged up satanists on youtube.

>>39634291
If Christianity isn’t suspiciously gay, then how do you explain the long history of priests abusing boys and the Church’s repeated efforts to cover it up? For a faith so obsessed with morality and sin, its leadership has been riddled with scandals that raise serious questions about what’s really going on behind closed doors. A system built on celibacy, all-male hierarchies, and suppression of natural desires creates the perfect storm for dysfunction. The fact that this pattern has persisted for centuries isn’t just a tragic oversight—it points to a deeper problem within the structure itself. If anything should make people question the underlying dynamics, it’s this glaring contradiction between preaching virtue and enabling abuse.

>>39634244
>That’s what a sindon is .
no it isn't. any bandage can be a sindon, as can a bed sheet, a burial shroud, a hand cloth and so on. its used in this way in the NT. pinning all your deranged hopes on this one word is retarded. but then, thats what all this Hillman stuff is

>>39634310
>how do you explain the long history of priests abusing boys
because people are sinners. the kind of thing you're talking about has always been condemned both in the NT and in anything said on the subject afterwards by church fathers etc.
> creates the perfect storm for dysfunction.
indeed. thats why the Romanist teachings on this are so wrong. The NT says that leadership in the church should be married and have kids.
>points to a deeper problem
yes, the sinful heart of man

>>39634332
Why do Abrahamic religions have such a problem with child abuse?

ammon
ammon this is satan speaking
the time is come, the hour is nigh
you owe gookmoot money for advertising, you owe your dealer, but first you owe me and i have come to collect
kill yourself or my agents (the federal police) will raid you and find all those things on your computer

>>39634157
No?
>>39634158>>39634208
No, let's be real. You don't like Christianity because you're a piece of shit and hate the idea of going to hell for how you act.
>>39634217
What the fuck is wrong with you people genuinely

>>39634411
you really want to say that other groups dont? what about secular government institutions like schools and child care facilities? Dont be so willfully blind to the fact that its a common feature of fallen humanity all around the world, religious or secular or whatever you want to look at.

>>39634253
You don't believe that's what I was implying. Is it possible for someone like you to be intellectually honest?

>>39634569
Anon these guys are not engaging you in good faith. They're evil. They love their evil, and are only pretending to care about this to make you angry. Do you think someone worth talking to, who has something insightful to say, would spam gay porn of Jesus?

>>39634584
no, its not really for them. if one person has doubts because of the crap these guys post but then they see a reasonable and Biblical reply which helps, its enough for me.

>>39634567
The western world is dominated by a cult of pedophiles who make their intentions, methods, and acts of depravity not only glaringly obvious, but a celebrated facet of our Earthly life and human culture. I cannot escape the constant reminder that uncaring, unrepentant predation of naïveté is how our society functions.

What’s your damage?

>>39633555
Based and checked.

Let me know if you have a name for this because I'd like to just refer others to that instead of getting wordy and above their heads every time they want a serious answer.

>>39634860
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Splitting_(psychology)

>>39634927
Good link. This is more than I expected, as it connects back to the developmental aspects leading to the dualist philosophy.

I think some people push themselves into dualism by trying to have a more correct or concrete answer, because the grey answer is less satisfying and not what they expected.

I also wonder if this is related to the trauma-based mind control.

>>39633555
explain a magnetic dipole, the photoelectric effect, a phase transition of matter (any, your choice), electrostatics.
>the universe is
this is an identity clause, it presupposes your worldview is correct, how do you know what is or is not outside of your own frame of reference. eg. outside of emotional persuasion or sophistry, how do you convince someone standing outside your frame that you are actually correct, because it seems you are implying universals and transcendence without having any real discernment.

see when you say X is wrong, you are creating a dualistic fallacy, since the X you are invoking right now is dualism itself, you have created a metaphysical paradox for yourself, which requires epistemological justification

X (things are their names)
is (things can be or not be)
wrong (things can be right or wrong)

western philosophy and science escaped this problem in the early 20th century nearly 100 years ago in several ways
>moral relativism
>postmodern critical analysis
>heidegger's ideas around the nature of being and time
>wittgenstein's approach to language
>information theoretic approaches to knowledge
>homotopy type theoretic approaches to address discontinuities in fundamental frameworks of mathematics
>string theory, brane theory, m-theory,

you seem to be in some neophyte popular eastern mysticism approach which was considered seriously from the 1700s to the late 1800s then abandoned as specious and self-refuting by any serious thinker, soon to be peddled fraudulently to a popular audience through self-help books and pyramind scheme cults.

the real issue here is your abrasive attitude coupled with your aggressive ignorance is unlikely to help you read any of this with sufficient clarity so you can bypass your base motor response of NUH-UHHHH. peace out loser, stay sub 100 iq.

>>39635027
It's narcissism, probably from trauma, it keeps them stuck in a very undeveloped state.

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>>39635031
>wittgenstein's approach to language
>information theoretic approaches to knowledge
>homotopy type theoretic approaches to address discontinuities in fundamental frameworks of mathematics
Pseuds always bring up analytic philosophy and formal systems in math. Chads bring up the paradigms that actually produced value, like automata theory.

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>>39633555

Based, redpilled, enlightened, actualized, integrated, initiated

Absolute fucking wizard

>>39635358
>intellectual crutch
>minds too fragile
>without training wheels
>childish
> comfort blankets
>can't handle complexity.
>arrogance,
>your simplistic categories
>your playground notions
>deluded
>a philosophical infant,
> safety rails
Arrogance the post. If this is where your personal brand superiority leads then you are very welcome to tread that path alone. yuck.

>>39626654
can i get qrd on what's being argued here?

>>39636271
An American classicist has translated a passage from the Greek Septuagint from the original Greek. Its contents are concerning, and conflict with much of Christianity’s accepted translations.

Insults were exchanged, behavioral analysis was conducted, there was a lot of projection; the original topic has been buried in ad hominem.

Ammon Hillman’s translation alludes to original Christianity as a Greek mystery cult.

>>39636271
hes got lots of silly points but here its like this;
jesus was in gesemene with a naked young boy with a drug soaked cloth around his penis being arrested for child sex trafficking

>>39636341
>Its contents are concerning,
yeah they are, because said trained classicist thinks he can randomly redefine words in koine (not his specialty) to mean strange things that no one, ever, has defined them as before. Said classicist will not publish his paper not any sources, and prefers to languish in youtube purgatory, for which his disciples are forever grateful.

>>39634310
>then how do you explain the long history of priests abusing boys
Its normal for pedophiles to seek positions where they have power and control over children. See school teachers, who have much more instances of sexual abuse than priests and clergymen.
Also see foster parents.
People who work in orphanages etc etc.

>>39626654
Why are you so obsessed with this fucking idiot, OP? You keep spamming this shit every day over and over again.

>>39636932
>It's normal...
Anon, if this is the only response you guys have one can only draw the conclusion that christians defend and even try to normalize pedophilia and child abuse. One can logically assume you'll ignore the same acts carried out by Jesus until you are forced to justify his behaviour in the same way.

>>39626654
>Steel Man
>Essene Jesus with legit Egyptian bona fides (non-Sinaitic/Hyksos/Edom)
>buys trafficked temple prostitute recruits out of slavery (disciples)
>first convert black eunuch freed slave (lower Egypt)
>Israel (Upper Egypt)
>Gethsemane Boy had STD from aforementioned temple whore trafficking
>'third gender' = cross dressed temple sex slaves

Romans were on the cusp of steam and coal engines; even late antiquity Greeks had performed successful cesarean births without killing either the mother or child-- the pharmacology he references with the Galen material suggests they were on to some very wild shit, and that's before The Purple's in the picture. Gnostic Informant's follow up documentaries have the additional material you're looking for; as such Hillman could be more creative in possible charitable interpretations that aren't full in on Jesus being a zesty grooming mofugga, but the text is what it is.

Can you all shut the fuck up about what he has to say about the bible? it's literally a fraction of what he discusses in the interview and also the least interesting thing he talks about. Now for anons who are above the derailing on Amon, what do y'all think about his findings on drug use in antiquity? absolutely fascinating stuff that makes complete sense, and it's apparent to me that university's that claim to value knowledge are silencing the kinds they don't like. how much knowledge is in these old texts that could change the course of history? the cure for cancer could be in their texts that contain medicinal knowledge tracing back to human origins, all we need is for people to get over the baseless demonization of certain forms of chemistry

>>39637790
The big conclusion that I came to is that drugs essentially created western culture. Without drugs, we don't have ancient greece. Without ancient greece, we don't have ancient rome. Without ancient rome, we don't have the middle ages and the modern anglosphere. All of that philosophy and art started during a time when everyone was high as fuck all of the time. It would make hippies look straight edge.

>>39637605
I didn't say the act is "normal" I said it's normal, as in typical, for predators to seek positions where they can easily target their victims. Just like its normal for psychopaths to seek employment as a police officer etc.
I didn't attempt to justify or normalise the act itself.
Learn to read you troglodyte. You shouldn't attempt to logically assume anything as your little peanut brain is entirely devoid of any logical faculties.

>>39638678
see you in the next hillman shill thread anon. keep up the good fight

>>39638678
Is genital mutilation normal?

>>39641190
Yeah, it’s Abrahamic at its core—circumcision is straight-up some ancient desert blood ritual pushed by Jews and Muslims, with Christians in America jumping on the bandwagon out of fear and conformity. Strip away the religious BS, and it’s still the same barbaric practice: mutilating kids to appease some invisible sky daddy or fit into society’s sick, outdated norms. Now, the same mindset paves the way for transgender surgeries on minors—another cult-like obsession with controlling bodies, just rebranded under woke ideology. Whether it’s religion or progressivism, it’s all the same twisted garbage: chopping up kids in the name of dogma.

>>39634273
Delete that shit, motherfucker. NOW

>>39634273
Fuck off faggot

>>39641279
The psychological impact of practices like circumcision and other forms of genital mutilation can vary, but research and anecdotal evidence point to significant potential for harm:

1. Trauma and Pain: The procedure, often done without adequate pain relief (especially in infants), can cause immediate trauma. For some, this may result in long-term effects like heightened sensitivity to pain or PTSD-like symptoms.


2. Loss of Autonomy: Many people express feelings of violation or resentment over a decision made without their consent, particularly if they later question or reject the cultural, religious, or medical rationale behind it.


3. Body Image Issues: Some individuals report feelings of inadequacy, shame, or alienation tied to their altered bodies, especially if they perceive their experience as mutilation or unnatural.


4. Sexual Function and Identity: Reduced sensitivity or complications from circumcision can affect sexual experiences, leading to frustration or a diminished sense of sexual identity.


5. Cultural and Emotional Conflict: Those from communities where such practices are normalized may struggle with conflicting feelings if they come to view the procedure as harmful. This can create tension with family, faith, or cultural identity.
While not everyone experiences significant psychological distress, for those who do, the impact can be profound, shaping their sense of self, relationships, and trust in institutions or cultural traditions.

>>39641295
Someone photoshop him with a dildo.

>>39641352
BBC

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>>39641374
I said BBC could come 4chan, then, to my surprise, Rabbi Yeshua shows up

>>39633783
>specifically state how anything objectively disallows God from being entirely good.
How about his own words in his own holy text? Read evilbible.com and check the verses cited. It's sick that people today still bow down to this monster, and sicker yet that they pretend it gives them moral superiority.
>>39634017
>He is constant and unchanging, the height of perfection.
I dare you to take a good look at this thread from last summer the jannies deleted after 209 replies:
>https://archive.4plebs.org/x/thread/38201607/#q38201607
Here's the OP:
>/x/ Bible Contradictions Anonymous Fri 21 Jun 2024 12:06:36 No.38201607 Replies: 209
>472 of them. That's the minimum number. This site compiled three different lists that may have some overlap, but the full count is 668 contradictions. They took down the site that exposed the religion of lies that keeps trying to take over this board, but archive.org saved it. You can scroll down the page, click on any item in the list and see the verses. Any Christian on this board who refuses to do this is willfully ignorant.
>>https://web.archive.org/web/20180731022220/http://bibviz.com/
>Zazzle still sells both the posters, btw
>>https://www.zazzle.com/store/bibviz

>>39634263
>not even anti Christians from ancient times, who spoke ancient Greek, came up with the things he does.
not so fast...
>On a solemn day they assemble at the feast, with all their children, sisters, mothers, people of every sex and of every age. There, after much feasting, when the fellowship has grown warm, and the fervour of incestuous lust has grown hot with drunkenness, a dog that has been tied to the chandelier is provoked, by throwing a small piece of offal beyond the length of a line by which he is bound, to rush and spring; and thus the conscious light being overturned and extinguished in the shameless darkness, the connections of abominable lust involve them in the uncertainty of fate...
—Minucius Felix, "Octavius"

>>39641835
this was such common knowledge that Tertullian made jokes about it

>A judge should wring out of each one of us how many murdered babies we had tasted, how many incestuous orgies we had joined in the dark — who were the cooks and how many dogs were present? My, how great would be the glory of the judge who uncovered a Christian who had eaten one hundred babies!
—Tertullian, "Apology" 2.5

>What am I saying? Since your researches for rooting out our society must needs be made on a wide scale, you ought to extend your inquiry against our friends and companions. Let our infanticides and the dressers (of our horrible repasts) be brought out,—ay, and the very dogs which minister to our (incestuous) nuptials; then the business (of our trial) would be without a fault.
>For no doubt, when any desire initiation in the mysteries, their custom is first to go to the master or father of the sacred rites. Then he will say (to the applicant), You must bring an infant, as a guarantee for our rites, to be sacrificed, as well as some bread to be broken and dipped in his blood; you also want candles, and dogs tied together to upset them, and bits of meat to rouse the dogs. Moreover, a mother too, or a sister, is necessary for you. What, however, is to be said if you have neither? I suppose in that case you could not be a genuine Christian...
>I am now come to the hour for extinguishing the lamps, and for using the dogs, and practising the deeds of darkness...
—Tertullian, "Ad nationes"

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>>39635027
>I also wonder if this is related to the trauma-based mind control.
It is. If you look at ritual abuse accounts you'll see these children are often programmed to have both devoutly christian and devoutly satanic personalities. Many big-name protestant pastors are on the Epstein flight logs. Fritz Springmeier names Billy Graham as a slave handler. Brice Taylor was abused in a baptist-turned-presbyterian church before being handed over to the government to control/blackmail the presidents. Almost all the "deprogrammed" slave whistleblowers who came forward became evangelical christians. It's possible they're programmed to do so, in fact, to keep them turning the other cheek instead of going full Luigi. At the end of her book, Brice Taylor *forgives* George Bush Sr. for routinely raping her young daughter!
>picrel
Pretty sure this goes all the way back to Abraham.

>>39626654
>what the Greek *actually* translates to
what greek?

>>39641897
I started this in /pol/ about the topic:
>>>/pol/494387343

I might repost later on /x/ if it gets no responses.

>If you look at ritual abuse accounts you'll see these children are often programmed to have both devoutly christian and devoutly satanic personalities.
This makes so much sense. The people most willing to commit atrocities are those who think they are holier than thou. This is what criticism of the "satanic" rarely seems to understand. Unfortunately, it seems like hegelian dialectics in action, where the anti-satanic crew spin themselves into a toxic, satanic dizzy themselves. But there is still an evolutionary advantage (strength) to absolute thinking, so sometimes drastic times call for drastic measures.

>Abraham
Who was that?

I think you could look at Zoroastrianism as an early good vs bad dialectic, but I'm not well-versed enough to say whether it was delusional thinking or it recognized that it was only a metaphor being made.

>>39641957
Too high IQ for /pol/.

>>39642014
I hate the 15 minute timer for mobile posters. I couldn’t even reply in time before it archived.

This is what I was going to say to the last comment:

Hegel is not continuing Plato. He’s continuing Aristotle (syllogistic logic). The word you use is the same (dialectic), but they were two different types of dialectics.

Aristotelian logic creates false certainty out of a union of two uncertainties. The system of logic does allow for a middle value that represents all indeterminable values between 0 and 1, ie “some”), but this path of logic can be avoided by rewording ideas to use identities that are absolute and entered as assumptions before the argument even begins. This is partly how Hegelian dialectics such as the Overton window are steered. So rather than preserving incompleteness (some A is X, some B is X), you get false completeness (all A is Y, all B is Y, where “all A is Y” is merely a restatement of “some A is X”, based on identity statements).

>>39642271
A couple other comments related to this thread:

Does sobriety lead to absolutist thinking (sometimes?), which leads to the beginning of a fall from grace? Were we always falling, before developing an idea of sobriety? Maybe?

I’ve heard that an Aryan schism led to Zoroastrianism’s opposition to (pro-daeva) Vedic thought, but I also have read Zoroastrianism only developed orthodoxy later on, so I’m not sure why that developed. Maybe simply trauma/tragedy?

>>39642271
Why is Jesus and Christianity so important?

This is the foundation of our current state of dialectics. Primarily through the real historical analysis of this movement, we can come to understand this dialectic and break out of it, which is why this history is so well buried, partly through obscurity (burned books and burned “heretics”) and partly by hiding the truth in plain sight (by proposing the opposite of the truth and forcing everyone to accept it).

Jesus is the ruler of our age, so we must defeat Jesus to break the dialectic and break out of the matrix. Esoteric thinkers have been wondering for centuries what will come next, and many groups have been trying to get ahead of that.

Maybe Jesus sacrificed himself so that people would not follow him. That was the selfless act. And like Jesus, we must sacrifice our own egos so that we too can be like him. (And just to be clear, I’m not assuming the history is like the Bible says it was, but I think there was a historical person it was based on, and I think that historical person was learned and attempted to live his life in perfect harmony with this idea so that he may set an example for others.)

>>39642271
Way forward is obviously the opposite of dualism as it leads to a split psyche and internal conflict which manifests itself outwardly. Probably looks like some form of non-duality which ends in total silence as all divisions and opposites have been resolved, a merging of the male and female and dissolving of every other artificially created boundary revealing the ultimate wholeness, that which is beyond words and concepts, including subject/object distinctions.

>>39633538
I will! Your god is never coming back to rule the earth you deluded megalomaniac.

>>39643688
The Bible is pure schizophrenia. Its why Christians get possessed by demons.

I remember watching videos of monkeys abusing each others children to create heirarchies. Humans are not dissimilar.

>>39643732
Yep, unfortunately that's all it boils down to. It's probably why they are so quick to dismiss psychology as a jewish lie.

>>39643744
You will note a certain ethnic group wrote the Bible

This ethnic group is 25% schizophrenic.

Isnt it ironic that a priest can claim his god talks to him, and not be labeled schizo?

>>39643688
Integration doesn't imply dissolution. It implies the incongruities are ironed out so they fit like puzzle pieces. Gender roles ought to be sustained but clarified. The mental "masculine" and "feminine" (I'm not a huge fan of this verbiage because it confuses, but that may be what you're referring to) ought to remain separate but understand each other.