>>39635743
Well, the average christ or muslimcuck explanation is free will. But that falls quickly apart when we look at various arguments.

1. Why are random, innocent animals affected by this? Trillions of animals are tortured in nature (without humans) so that humans can have free will... huh?

2. If God is omnipotent he isn't bound by logic. This means he can create free will without evil.

>>39635743
You're that faggot who spams pictures of Jesus in a toilet, right

>>39635743
But when you consider if time never ends, and those people go to heaven as martyrs what’s it to you?

>>39635743
yeah there's no easy answer to the problem of evil but gaytheism evidently isn't the right answer either

>>39635752
Affected by what? God? I don’t understand your first point, it’s too vague.

But free will as we know it means having the power to do evil. He chose it to be that way, not us. That’s the gist of his omnipotence. We obey laws we helped establish as to what this life should and would be like and it’s ultimately up to us to make the most out of it.

>>39635891
Why are animals tortured in nature? What do they have to do with the fall?

>>39635752
>This means he can create free will without evil.
I think the point is evil only has meaning in relation to its opposite, good. God "knows" that if good exists, evil must also exist, so he gave us free will to choose the good. that's the point of christcuckery and the Devil.

>>39635912
We were given stewardship over the earth that we relinquished when Adam ate the apple. That includes over all animals. What the world being fallen amounts to is it being in the clutches of Satan. The evils of predation in nature are a result of the fall.

>>39635962
>10000000000000+ animals have to die and live in pain because two humans... long time ago... ate an apple....

That doesn't even make sense even if you're schizophrenic. Why would others get punished for the actions of two people totally and fully unrelated to them?

>>39635961
>I think the point is evil only has meaning in relation to its opposite, good.

But that's not true. That's just what you believe right now because God created that framework for you. God, as an omnipotent being with NO limits, can create a world in which only good exists and it would make perfect sense and it would be free will.

God isn't bound to logic or some invisible rules like EVIL HAS TO EXIST FOR GOOD! Says... who? God could also make a world where there is far more than good and evil. There could be 1000000000 different other moral versions things we can't even comprehend. Just because we can only see a few colors here, do you think God can't make a world with 50 different colors visible to the human eye?

>>39636040
>God could also make a world where there is far more than good and evil
So could we

>>39636116
Oooooo
Accountability or spite towards God.

>>39636116
We are not omnipotent beings. Evil is written into the very fabric of this nature. Even if you remove every human being, beings feed on each other, things consume each other. Predators prey on terrified, violated prey.

God could have made a perfect world with perfect free will that didn't include baby rape. He is omnipotent. He decides what is logical. Yet he REALLY wanted baby rape in this world, meaning that God has to be a freak.

>>39636135
No, retards decided to try and spite god and invented baby rape.
Then got other idiots to do it because they did it and were all like "would a super cool god allow us to rape?"

>>39635743
After this age there will be a lot of souls that will not be returning to this plain of existence. They have successfully applied for soul desolation and dissipation which is what hell is alluded to as being, a place where the souls of the damned are dissolved, once the the time has come for the end of this age.

>>39636125
There is no collective human accountability. Even if one person is wholly intent on making the world a better place, they still have to live with all the pople who have no intention of doing that, which is unjust. And even where there are groups of people who are all intent on making the world a better place, they won't necessarily agree on what "better" is. What some people are extremely confident would be better, I'd think of as a nightmare.

>>39636150
Animals rape and kill each other without any humans around inventing it. So no, you are wrong.

Furthermore we can't do anything that God didn't design and dream into existence first. Can you see new colors if you want to? Can you fly into the sky? Can you see a room in a twenty dimensional way? Can you feel feelings that your brain isn't capable of feeling? You can only do things that God designed into existence. For you to be able to make the choice of "baby rape" God had to allow and design it first.

Even in the bible God admits that he is the creator of evil and darkness anyway. He made EVERYTHING.

>>39636135
All atheistic arguments really seem to boil down to just being a lazy faggot that wants God to do everything for us, don't they?
>God could have made a perfect world with perfect free will
A perfect world with perfect free will doesn't even make any sense. You have free will so as to choose the good as opposed to the bad. This is just basic fucking logic. Just admit it, you're a lazy faggot, like every atheist.

>>39636174
I'm not an atheist.
>wants God to do everything for us, don't they?
Why would the ultimate power being that can do absolutely anything with complete ease not be the one to be blamed? Why would I blame the beings around him that are all not even 0,000000001% of his power level? Like what is the logic here?

>A perfect world with perfect free will doesn't even make any sense.

Yes, it doesn't make sense to your little human brain. God is above logic. God is omnipotent, at least if you subscribe to the bible. Nothing is impossible for him. God can decide it makes sense and it would make sense.

Why are you people so DUMB?

"Umm God is super duper powerful literally omnipotent but um... he can't break or bend human logic! The creator of the universe is a victim to human logic, ok????"

Do you ever think about the fact that there could be a BILLION other alignments than good and evil? Do you feel like you don't have free will because God doesn't add every possible alignment to this reality? No, you don't.

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"God can't do xzy because it doesn't make sense from my human logic perspective! >:("

But I thought God is omnipotent and everything is possible for him and absolutely nothing is impossible?
Christfags can literally not debunk this.

>>39635743
Well, I don't know about all that. My life is pretty OK. I don't have to care what happens to other people.

>>39636174
Why is free will only valuable if it includes the free will to do great harm to others? There are lots of ways God limits our free will via the laws of physics, but for some reason the freedom to do harm (as well as the 'freedom' to experience having great harm done to oneself) is just absolutely critical to have around in God's view.

...Until you get to heaven, I guess, where all the good people will be separated from the bad people and the good people will never have to experience anything bad again. But for some reason we can't just skip straight to that, we have to go through the suffering gauntlet first. Or at least some people do, since some people also get to live remarkably decent lives almost all the way through.

>>39636233
>where all the good people will be separated from the bad people
Rapist and murderers will go to heaven too as long as they sorry :3

all right guys. real talk
we need a "if god real why suffering?" general where we can dump all OPs like this

>>39636244
fr fr >>39635410

>>39636244
The beatings will continue until the realization that there is no point to the beatings is universally achieved.

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>>39635743
Whether or not God materially exists or is indifferent to suffering isn't even the point in my mind. Call it God or moral intuition or whatever you want, there's some innate sense that some things are good and some are evil. If you embody good qualities and effect positive change in the world and reduce suffering, then God basically exists, because he doesn't need to exist materially if humans embody his qualities. That's how I see it. The idea of God is impoortant because it gives human existence a sense of meaning and sense of moral gravitas that rationalism simply can't provide. That's why the best of humanity has always believedi in God, Bach, Newton, Da Vinci etc, no not just because of dogma, but because it tends to make a person happy and healthy when they genuinely believe in some transcendental form of the good that is greater than themselves. If the idea of God can get a person off alcohol, I mean literally change their material body, then you can't really say God doesn't exist. Atheists get tripped up on logic but who fucking cares about logic. You have to feel it.

>>39636303
Is raping and killing evil? God tells his people in the bible to rape married women. lol

>>39636303
Buddhism doesn't need God to have morality, and it's better for it because it doesn't have to be split-minded about wrongness the way theistic religions generally do. Because as soon as you posit a being who is both all-powerful and all-good, you have to explain how the continued existence of wrongness can actually be in line with a higher goodness, and so not really wrong at all.

>>39635743
>The idea of an all-loving God becomes laughably obscene when you really look at reality
Only when you have no idea about nature of God
>his supposedly omnipotent being sits there watching every horrific act of torture, every child dying in agony from cancer, every mass rape, every genocide - with the power to stop it all instantly - and chooses to do absolutely nothing
Yes, because God is doing that to itself, willingly. It seems like a great suffering to us because that's the point, because otherwise God wouldn't study itself and experience suffering. In the end all experiences will come to God and suffering of hundred lives will seem like nothing to us. Sure, we're not there right now and it sucks but overall, as part of God, we were up for all this shit because in the end we're all the same being, just fragmenting itself and obscuring its own nature to itself to create numerous fresh perspectives.

>>39636362
>hey buddy.. that guy who raped your mom and daughter and then slit their throat.. that was god.. dont be mad.. we're all together in this namastee...
lolol

>>39636362
From one shattered fragment of God to another, if God has an addiction to self-harming, then he needs to get over it. It isn't healthy.

didn't the book of Job directly address this point?

God and Satan feel like making a bet so God fucks over Job, a righteous man who has done nothing wrong. Job then files a complaint to an angel, asking to see the manager and directly asking God what the deal was. And then God's response was basically "yeah, I know." "where the hell were you when I made the heavens and the earth"?

I'm not even a christcuck or Jew but this makes enough sense. By even asserting the existence of an omniscient, omnipotent God, you accept the consequence that this God by default is beyond human intelligence and morality.

>>39636257
This one too
>>39620414

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>>39636244
Christianity never seeks to resolve the suffering and just creates elaborate copes, at least something like Buddhism identified the problem and offers real practical solutions.

>>39636445
It's a bit odd how obsessed this board is with it, but I feel like it's partly the whole culture at the moment. In the near future humanity or an AI that has absorbed all of humanity's ideas might have a lot of power, so the way we think about things like the problem of evil and suffering matters. If we become or create a godlike being, do we really want ourselves or it to go on justifying all the bad things in life the way we've always justified all the bad things on God's behalf, or do we want to say "No! That was all cope this whole time, and in fact the world can and should be better!"

>>39636531
Politics and religion have been nothing but a plague on humanity, dragging us down with their endless bullshit. Wars, genocides, witch hunts, and oppressive systems? All courtesy of these archaic power grabs. They’ve done jack for actual progress, spending centuries shoving dogma down everyone’s throat and fighting over imaginary sky wizards or which corrupt group gets to steal more from the people. Meanwhile, science and technology are the only things that have ever dragged humanity out of the mud. Medicine, electricity, the internet—literally everything that makes life tolerable today exists despite the meddling of priests and politicians. Without their parasitic nonsense, we’d probably already be colonizing other planets instead of debating whether basic human rights are up for discussion.

>>39636555
uh bruh... how has your pessimistic ass not concluded that we'd just bring our self-destruction to other planets when we colonize them? lol

>>39635743
The Epicurean Paradox by itself destroys all relligious arguments completely.

>>39635743
>But free will as we know it means having the power to do evil.
>>39635961
>evil must also exist, so he gave us free will to choose the good.
>>39636174
>You have free will so as to choose the good as opposed to the bad. This is just basic fucking logic.
No, why don't we have the ability to fly via levitation, or move objects with your mind via telekinesis?

This question seems really random at face value but I'll explain.

"Free will" is limited to not just the actions you are able to think of doing, but also the actions that you are capable of doing.

My point is, arguing that God had to make us able to do evil in order for "free will to exist" is false, because that's you viewing "free will" from the narrow perspective of only including concepts like "good" and "evil".

So long as there is something we cannot do because God designed us to be incapable of it, our free will doesn't exist, based on the argument that not being able to do evil means we don't have free will.

You guys are making a disingenuous argument and maybe you are just too stupid to realize it. But you can't conveniently and selectively decide that evil is the only thing that God can't limit us from in order for us to "truly" have free will. If simply limiting our ability to do and think evil means we don't "truly" have free will, then simply limiting our ability to do and think anything period means we don't "truly" have free will. You don't get to arbitrarily decide where the line starts and ends, and that evil and good are the only things that constitute free will.

In my mind, me not being able to think an apple tree into existence is my free will being limited, because my ability to manipulate reality with thought has been limited. So if God is going to purposefully design us with any limitation of free will, he might as well give us some perks by limiting all of the evil in the world too.

>>39635891
Made a mistake quoting you here: >>39636627
>But free will as we know it means having the power to do evil.

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>>39635743
The polar opposite of a creator would be a deleter… and so the show goes on.

The tough pill to swallow is that good and bad are just individual subjective judgements. A child being eaten alive by worms is a matter of survival from the perspective of the worms. A child being raped is pleasurable from the perspective of the rapist.

I think God created the material world to have limited experiences through the limited beings that exist here. I do agree that it would be more pleasurable without such extreme levels of pain of agony, though.

But yeah, God is not "good". It's kinda obvious but people are unwilling to accept it.

>>39635743
>God is the most sadistic
Well yes. God is the Supreme in all categories.
God is also the most benevolent and merciful.

>>39636627
>God didn't create a world where I can pretend I'm in Gary's mod, therefore he isn't real
Grow up

>>39636337

Hasids and Kabbalists solved the problem of evil within theism but most people will never approach it because their political ideologies filter them from being able to approach certain truths.

Inb4 get called a rabbi

>>39636701
You might be able to say that a child being raped is good from the perspective of the rapist, but you can't say that the child's experience of being raped is good. So, as I see it, good and bad *are* fairly objective, if difficult to measure. It's just that the labels are properly applied to subjective experiences rather than to abstracted happenings in the physical world. To experience something as good is for your experience of it to actually be good. To experience something as bad is for your experience of it to actually be bad. And I think everyone would agree that they would like to have more subjectively good experiences and fewer subjectively bad experiences.

>>39636913
I'm not going to call you a rabbi, but I'm wondering why you would just say that something has been solved without actually mentioning the supposed solution.

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God isn't omnipotent. Quite the opposite. God is an imperfect being.

To make a long story short The Perfect God wanted a companion but upon creating a perfect companion realized that if God = perfection and the companion = perfection then the companion must be = to God. Understanding this, God had to create the possibility of choice (free will) and an area to express this free will (our base reality) with stakes that give us a reason to preserve oneself (physical bodies, doubt in God). That way, conscious beings can be separated by filth and reconcilables. When given free will, one being will be kind, and another will rape. God wants to cull the rapist and keep the dogooder, as most religions often claim.

In a sense, the life of any sentient being is one large filtration process. Although no being eligible to enter Heaven is truly perfect, that's the whole point of the project: create a companion to share near-perfection with, and the only way to reach near perfection is to create impurities and make dilutions until the mixture is for the most part, clean.

What you believe does not matter. You can be an atheist. You can hate the very concept of God, and yet if you conduct yourself as a mostly upstanding citizen you will be granted access to Heaven.

Quit coping anon, you sound like a pretentious little faggot.

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>>39636915
Evil is basically just egotism and treating people like objects and nothing more. All the other problems stem from there. That's why the Hippocratic oath exists, because even if a surgeon has to treat someone impersonally and like an object, what's to stop them from getting a god complex, thinking they're infallible and then fucking someone's life forever because they got so wrapped up in their ego that they forgot about other peoples personhood? I mean imagine if this happened to you or someone you love, if some faggot turned your own child into a vegetable because he thought he was hot shit and that that gave him permission to snort coke before an operation. Evil is being an egotistical faggot and treating other people like they don't exist and have a soul. That's all it is in my opinion. Humans have the ability to become conscious of themselves and to stop doing this. That's all Christ our saviour was trying to t each.

>>39636929

Hasids and Kabbalists cosmology views God in a panentheistic role where he is present in the universe and constantly creating. And we are constantly participating in the act of creation. They teach about a fractal emanation process that is happening all around us and in us and through this process the seeds/atoms/sparks of Divinity get encased. The process is likened to the sparks flying from an anvil as the iron is pounded out. When pull that into its fractal panentheistic understanding of God and what it teaches about the shells or casings then we find why God is responsible for evil too, that the act of creation and participating in creation necessitates the existence of evil to hold the sparks of Divinity, and why God usually becomes revealed when we probe our own trials, suffering, and darkness. Because within that lies a spark of him.

>>39636976
Then why did God create psychopaths and sociopaths who are basically incapable of feeling empathy or caring about people? And on top of it, why people like this are typically the ones who get the most power? People like Caligula, Mao, Stalin, and so forth.

>>39635743
evolution happens backwards. it's samsara, it's real. most of these doomed kids are just apes. nearly all atrocities are done by apes on other apes. true souls are under 1M in population density. maybe 5K tops.
when you realize, you understand and chill.

>>39636999
I don't know, no one does, and it doesn't matter. God incarnated to teach us how to stop evil,and what he taught works. Don't be a self-indulgent hedonistic faggot, don't be greedy and hoard wealth resources, don't kill and steal, take care of your fellow man, don't spread falsehood, don't commit adultery, i.e., don't be a childish piece of shit. There, problem of evil solved. You want a world without evil? that's impossible, so instead of crying about it, try to make it a better place before you check out.

>>39636989
>the act of creation and participating in creation necessitates the existence of evil to hold the sparks of Divinity
Ah, so this isn't actually a solution. It's just an assertion that evil is necessary because *questionable fuzzy metaphysics* and also an assertion that God despite being God isn't powerful to get around that questionable fuzzy metaphysics.
>why God usually becomes revealed when we probe our own trials, suffering, and darkness
Lots of people lose their belief in God by reflecting on their own trials, suffering, and darkness though.

>>39636999
To thin the herd and avoid overpopulation. Same reason plagues and wars exist.

>>39637070

>lots of people lose their belief in God

I would question their spiritual abilities. Honestly. It IS a common thing but it is a common thing amongst people only capable of shallow thought. We're talking about teenagers, atheists, autistics, those unequipped for anything beyond black and white thinking and how it directly relates to themselves. You can't trust a person like that to think macrocosmically, outside of themselves, or to deal with heavy metaphysical abstractions like the reality of God and the concept of evil.

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>>39637278
I mean, I lost my belief in God (or at least my belief that there's any being worthy of being called God in the fullest sense) that way, and I don't think I'm a retard. I guess you could just say that the proof that I'm retarded is that I lost my belief in God that way, but I don't think anyone who has known me has gotten that impression of me independently.

Being able to think outside yourself just makes the problem of suffering worse, because you understand that, whatever grievances you may have personally, they ought to be multiplied by at least a billion, if not several orders of magnitude more than that, to account for all the grievances of all sentient beings in the world in proportion to their sentience.

>>39635743
Yada yada yada

Sorry OP, you can't anthropomorphize God, and you're no genius.

>>39637319
>Being able to think outside yourself just makes the problem of suffering worse, because you understand that, whatever grievances you may have personally, they ought to be multiplied by at least a billion, if not several orders of magnitude more than that, to account for all the grievances of all sentient beings in the world in proportion to their sentience.
Isn't that basically what Christ did?

>>39637347
Jesus didn't solve the problem of suffering though, or else there wouldn't still be people complaining about it. Maybe Jesus solved the problem of hell, for some portion of the population depending on your exact beliefs around that, if you do believe it was a problem to begin with. But if Jesus is God, and God is the one who insisted that hell was necessary to begin with, then I don't think he should get much credit for solving a problem that he is responsible for to begin with.

>>39635752
You cannot understand good if there is no evil to compare it to.

>>39637498
Sometimes I would like to meet the first person to have asserted this meme and beat them with a stick (but only so they can better appreciate what it feels like to not be beaten with a stick when they recover).

>>39637498
Nirvana is beyond the duality of good and evil, it's peace and bliss.

>>39637498
You cannot eat food if you don't eat dog diarrhea first

>>39637577
do you think he will blame the stick for your actions?

>>39637867
eating is just making y our body stronge and healthier. strength has no meanign except in relation to weakness

>>39635752
Not a Christcuck. Just a dude who is very well read.
1) animals are animated by spirits of fallen angels.
2) no he cannot; see the fallen ones have free will as well, and they resent humanity for being an inferior product who is favored.
Realistically, this all seems to be a sort of cocoon for a new life beyond this one; there is a great filter whereby many of us never make it out of the cocoon. This filter can be thought of from our perspective as "evil" and it takes the form of our black sheep "big brother" bullying us. God's job is not to drive us. God made us to be like him: to learn to drive ourselves responsibly. That means being responsible like God, and God told us plainly how to do this.
Now, all of the men who created cars and all of the men who taught us how to drive and all of the men who wrote the law book for driving collectively can not do a damn thing to stop accidents from occurring. Such is the nature of God. This world wasn't designed to be evil. It has been corrupted by beings with malice for us in their hearts and a disagreement with our maker. Our maker also loves these beings like a parent loves the older sibling that is a dick to its little brother. Whatever is happening out there, judging evil isn't my responsibility beyond keeping myself sorted out straight. So what good does it do looking for the absence of evidence of good like it's evidence for the absence of good? Really, that we have the fight in us at all to face this cold world is evidence of good. It exists: we're it, and we have to choose it. And THAT is the point.

>>39636962
the creator is a lazy sadistic clown, you are a fucking moralistic retard

>>39636465
The solution to suffering is very simple: embrace it and be one with it instead of rejecting it.

>>39639037
Why would you embrace illusions? All suffering is born of desire and illusion.

Taking the Mara Pill and loving suffering is a better solution than Bouddhism

>>39637498
>You cannot understand good if there is no evil to compare it to.

Why do you believe this? Because this is the framework God has created for you right now? So what makes you think God can't just change that framework into something else?

You people essentially claim that there is some invisible law that even God can't change or overcome which makes no sense at all.

>>39637933
Your dog or cat is a fallen angel spirit? Lmao.

>2) no he cannot;

If God is omnipotent there is nothing he can't do.

>>39639057
You cannot suffer if you are one with suffering.

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The fact that kekcucks and their god never attacked dharmic religions shows who is the master of the frog.You are not all-consuming chaos but chaos that consumes Picrel's enemies, stop pretending to be boundless

>>39635743
AI slop pic

Didn't read because you used an AI pic.

>>39635743
you are responsible for your own suffering. in the end it doesnt even matter and you will love regardless, unless you go the other direction and hit the point of no return (hell) and make your own life miserable. you are God, retard. try psychedelics and learn how the mind shapes heaven or hell.

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>>39635743
What the fuck did you just fucking say about me, you little bitch? I’ll have you know I spawned from the light of the pleroma, and I’ve been involved in numerous reality warping miss creations for my perverse amusement , and I have over 6,000,000 high level archons at my beck and call . I am forged in Sophia's perversion and I’m the top demiurge in the entire physical reality. You are nothing to me but just another target. I will wipe you the fuck out with precision the likes of which has never been seen before on this Earth, mark my fucking words. You think you can get away with saying that shit to me over the Internet? Think again, fucker. As we speak, I am contacting my secret network of archons across the multiverse and your soul essence is being traced right now so you better prepare for the storm, maggot. The storm that wipes out the pathetic little thing you call your life. You’re fucking dead, kid. I can be anywhere, anytime, and I can kill you in over seven hundred million ways then resurrect you and do it again, and that’s just with my bare claws. Not only am I extensively skilled in psychic mind rape, but I have access to the entire arsenal of my archon legion and I will use it to its full extent to wipe your miserable ass off the face of the continent, you little shit. If only you could have known what unholy retribution your little “clever” comment was about to bring down upon you, maybe you would have held your fucking tongue. But you couldn’t, you didn’t, and now you’re paying the price, you goddamn idiot. I will shit fury all over you and you will drown in it. You’re fucking dead , kiddo.

>>39635743
Don't you get tired of doing this? The same thread over and over again. I started reading you text, but then I got a dejavu and decided to go right to the end, but before doing that I did think I bet he's gonna say that God is x and lo and behold your last sentence was you saying God just wants to have his ego boosted or whatever. At this point there's nothing new to be discussed here for I could already predict your final conclusion. What I get from this is that you guys need or have this urge to keep putting the same argumento out there because this is your therapy or whatever. That's how you guys cope with reality, by attacking God and saying lies about Him. You guys need to blame someone and so you blame God. I never realized this before. This gives me a new way to perceive you guys. Now I understand why. Good luck, nothing you say here will change your reality. It will only get worst as time go by because the more you live the more you will lash out at God. I wish you good coping sessions.

>>39641492
Psychology is a Jewish scam.

>>39636257
Thats cause that thred is true (im the op of it if that wasn't clear).

I keep seeing all this fm symbology in all anime, there's:

- them disclosing or idealizing what they'd want the world to turn out to be, be it blob of one cosciousness they can easily manipulate (NGE and darling), similar to earlier but putting everyone on hivemind so they can harvest their energy (naruto, matrix too but I'll come back to that later) other disclose

- them idealizing "wow, masonry is cool guys" (FMA and probably some other anime I haven't seen), "romanticizing" that masonry is actually needed and is a "power system" for keeping world in check (Hunter x Hunter hunter association)

- them outright inverting stuff so to betray your expectations (darling portrays "the underground ayys" aka Vril are actually good guys, they totaly haven't been manipulating humanity all this time and eating/loosh farming, they're here to save you ... they don't want normie to realize that it's actualy "kosher sandwich", meaning you'll get squashed by the ayys coming both underground AND space, since they underground reptos have allies who'll they contact when the time is right)
All this and other I didn't think of yet, got me thinking, while they do give us some disclosures (and mindrot since they also invert ton of stuff and want you to become tranny or join them), you ever notice how few media depicts accurately how bleak our reality actually is? Like how >>39641532 anon said they can spy on your convo and bring it up out of nowhere, but did it occur to you that some form of this could also have occurred even back when there was no electronics? Think about that, even without tech. Then I remember ok, only thing close to that got to be Matrix, and I don’t think it’s necissarily a simulation, but the power and control schemes it depicts are all accurate, they have total control of the reality. Not enough anime depict it, not even One Piece can Imu spy you everywhere and decide to EMF u

>>39635743

Al llegar a la época de la banda de asaltantes había elaborado ya las siguientes posibilidades:
1.- Dios no existe.
2.- Dios existe y es un canalla.
3.- Dios existe pero a veces duerme, sus pesadillas son nuestra existencia.
4.- Dios existe pero tiene acceso de locura, esos accesos son nuestra existencia.
5.- Dios no es omnipresente, no puede estar en todas partes. A veces está ausente, en otros mundos, en otras cosas.
6.- Dios es un pobre diablo con problemas demasiado complicado para sus fuerzas. Lucha con la materia como un artista con su obra. Algunas veces, en algún momento llega a ser Goya, pero generalmente es un desastre.
7.- Dios fue derrotado antes de la historia por el príncipe de las tinieblas, y derrotado, cometido como presunto diablo es doblemente desprestigiado puesto que se le atribuye este universo calamitoso.

>>39641887
this is english website

>>39641907
Don't ignore ideas

>>39641907
Also
>he said with poor english

>>39641914
>>39641924
Spanish is the first language of eglin glowies so I guess it doesn't surprise me too much you decided to post that all in Spanish.

>>39635743
real god, the first source, is an observer. the demiurge -- was was created without a yang side and was blind who was hidden away in the lowest barbelo until he reached a kind of gnosis in his blindness and isoloation that allowed him to physically manifest things and then created our world and called himself god -- is who you're talking about

>>39641938
Or it's a quick copy paste of song lyrics I felt were topical to the thread that I didn't feel like running through Yandex first, but if you'd rather believe I'm some glownigger go ahead I guess I really don't care

>>39641853
interesting. so only external intervention can save us?

>>39643105
Pretty much, unless you can convince world leaders to invade inner earth with their armies, and to nuke/destroy the moon. Seeing how every world leader is corrupt, it's probably not going to happen.

Just wanted to say I hope for the best for those here and elsewhere.

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>>39640226
Yaldabaoth more like homogayfaggotnerd

>>39635743
Physical suffering means nothing to God, that's why he doesn't care to intervene. I would even say that suffering physically is not an inherently bad thing from a spiritual perspective.