Because "spiritual communities" are cults and want you to be egoless so the cult leader can more easily brainwash you.

>>39643692
Even single people say that with no affiliation. You'll run into that on /x/ too.

>>39643681
You need high IQ to understand, ego is a splitting of the whole into me/other. For you to merge with God that division cannot exist and in reality ultimately doesn't, so the game is to see through the illusion dispelling it in the process, as if one is waking up from a dream.

>>39643720
So... why do I have to merge with God? Could just be the child of God, having a part of God in me, but mostly being myself.

The ego is not evil. The concept of good and evil itself is created by ego to create further division to justify its existence. Ego is created by child to protect itself. It's true identity is God but its a fragmented part (not the whole picture). Goal of human life is to collect fragmented parts of soul so you can be reunited with God. Jesus is the only way to achieve this. Man is comprised of 3 parts (same as God, hence "made in His image.") Body, Spirit, Soul. Because of ego split occurrence, there is a gap between soul and body, hard to communicate. But spirit is the mediator between. The soul (child, baby) does not understand words not in human language, can only send out signals like emotions. Since humans are basically psychopaths/narcissists-lite we are separate from Soul and can't feel emotions and/or just straight up ignore them. So Soul (God) communicates us through dreams. The Spirit conveys the message to us like an abstract painting which is why dream interpretation should be kept between you and God because other interference could be from demons and bad actors.

>>39643734
Because that's emotional nonsense that doesn't have any reality, you cannot want enlightenment as a thing separate from you and hope to ever achieve it.

>>39643758
Says who though? Why is only your way possible?

>>39643765
Reality.

>>39643681
It's not that the ego doesn't matter, it's that the ego doesn't matter as much as the ego itself usually thinks it matters.

The ego isn't...some separate entity from everything else that can only be considered on its own terms, the ego is a knot in everything that only exists because it continues to hold onto itself. Transcending the ego isn't cutting the knot, it's untying it.

>>39643751
You must pray for discernment in Jesus name to get God's messages correctly. Our world is filled with bad actors trying to trick/lie/deceive. I tell you where Gnosticism originated.

It came from a very real vision/dream someone had but that man didn't pray for the discernment. If you don't pray for discernment, the messages God sends you can be corrupted by a demon. This is what happened with Gnosticism. Yes God sent him the message that he was in a repeated loop, suffering in the cruel hands of the powers that be but alas since he didn't pray for discernment demons were able to get to him and so he left the cave just to enter another one. The truth is the world has many possibilities, infinite. It is possible to break out of the matrix but you can never leave the hole if you focus on how much you hate the dark. That may be necessary for other things but not leaving the hole. You lock in and focus on what makes your heart flutter, what captures your soul. This is the way out of the depths of hell.

>>39643681
Read Michael Asuino's Mindstar for details.

TL:DR jewish programming and poisoning, denying the human soul's individual perspective and Subjective Universe/Viewpoint to exist, they are attacked and assimilated into the niggercattle hivemind Subjective Universe, ie. a collective hallucinatory belief, and not the actual Objective Universe aka reality.

Wake up and make your own subjective Universe a part of or outside of the Objective Universe.

>>39643809
Michael Aquino's Mindstar:
https://annas-archive.org/md5/4f8270ad10efa1ba0d721c559c93f90e

>>39643791
Not necessary to kill ego. Never necessary. The soul doesn't need the ego, but the ego needs the soul to survive. God doesn't need us, but we need Him. The ego must come back to the soul. We need more compassion for ourselves in order to heal. True love. Not worldly love. The ego split from the soul for a reason. Doesn't have to be a good one but there's always a reason. Our personal journeys reflect that.

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>>39643681
Just think about it for a second. It's a mental illness but self induced as a response to some kind of trauma. Why would you "want" to not exist? A lot of men interested in spirituality to the level you would be posting on x or getting to the point of researching such esotericism as relates to literally dismantling your perception are running from something. I'm not so critical as to assume it's avoiding responsibility or anything like that but there's a certain type of personality and circumstances that creates a deep need to not exist. That's why disassociation is such terrible events. You are a created being, and the "confines" of your existence are inescapable. I am one of those people and if you analyze why you would want to go down this path and are honest with yourself you'll find the problem you're running from.
>inb4 "analyzing" a want to dismantle one's ego is missing the point.
it's not, you CAN be sucked in to the headspace where merging back into some kind of bliss is the only answer, but YOU must choose

>>39643824
>>39643809
Thanks

>>39643681
we have one that can see! they want you disconnected from the heart. your soul.

I want to keep my personality, dreams and feelings when I die just "improved"... I don't want to be absorbed into some kind of alien hivemind that keeps reincarnating into different characters.

I just want to be ME.
I don't want any past lives or ego death.

the ego is a boundary and religion has boundary issues.

Notice how most of the "wisdom" in this thread is just conspiracy theories.

Also the desire to keep the ego is obviously motivated by the fear of death itself. What did Jesus say?

John 12:25

>>39643991
>>39643751
I'm not gonna follow a religion in which the God called his followers to rape married women. I don't care if it's the old testament, God knows the future and at some point he thought raping the wives of other men is a great thing to do.

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>>39643991
>But which of you having a servant plowing, or feeding cattle, will say unto him by and by when he is come from the field, go and sit down to eat? And will not rather say unto him, Make ready wherewith I will eat, and gird thyself, and serve me, till I have eaten and drunk: and afterwards you will eat and drink.
Ego death Christianity is literally from Satan

>>39643908
No problem bro
>>39643927
>>39644029
AIN'T READING ALL THAT jEWISH POISON, YOU STUPID ASS NIGGA.

>>39643681
Basically every reason that people give as to why the Ego is bad is based upon beliefs that are entirely unprovable. It's all some form of programming to get you to not care about what you're actually experiencing when you're alive, perpetrated by people who can't stand existence as it is now. Or, worse, it'll be peddled by people who think they know the absolute truths about reality despite being incapable of proving it to anyone else.

Reality is going to the store and buying groceries. Reality is going to a baseball game and seeing a dude hit a ball while wearing a cool hat. Reality is not any of this woo-woo bullshit that you or I can't actually prove in any way without our own subjective experience. Seek the supernormal and once you've experienced all the woo-woo bullshit in the world you can come to your own views on whether ego is good or bad. Without that kind of experience, there's no point in even caring about what others have to say about the matter.

>>39643681
cuz they wanted your bitches, nigga, case closed

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>>39644027
>ALL abrahamism PROMOTES ego
you're a dumbass. That's like saying abrahamism "promotes" object permanence. It's the only framework within which comprehension of anything is possible. BY THE WAY, psued literature about "surrendering" (gay btw) your ego requires an ego to comprehend it, really makes you think...

>>39644064
So science is true and so is subjective reality?

>>39644096
meant for >>39644029

It's only part of the versions taught to the chattel

>>39643698
You think they came up with those ideas on their own? Lol, humans don't exist in a vacuum.

>>39643765
You seriously need to read basic metaphysics and perhaps jungian psychology.

>>39643681
Ego is selfish. It's the voice that says "but what about me?" It does not care for others and puts themselves over everything else. Essentially it is the block that stops every individual from working together to create a better world.

Ego is not about your self identity or personality. That idea is from the ego, trying to protect itself. "Being a selfish asshole is my personality." No, it is a reflection of your fear.

>>39644386
what the FUCK is the point of doing anything if "you" aren't there. completely delusional

>>39643681
>Why is the demonization of the Ego so common in spiritual communities or beliefs

Cope. Cope that humans have to endure suffering and being aware of it and their mortality. Cope that somehow this all makes sense in a universe where you just "have to be fixed and then you can go to heaven".
it's all bullshit. Humans evolved in harsh conditions, and now all the gurus come out and tell you no that's actually very flawed and stupid and you just need to let go of ego you flawed sheep you. Benevolent sky daddy surely has a great master plan to "perfect humans in order to gaze upon himself" or something, so of course it's YOUR fault for not being divine YET. It's like socialism. Sorry I can't go deeper into this bullshit it's making my blood boil.

Separation is a thing and a problem but it works differently than all those pseudo-intellectual retard-religions claim. It has different causes, different conclusions and generally said, no you can not get rid of ego as if it were a big problem of yours and then "be enlightened'.

>>39644447
You is you. Ego is not you. It is your fear. It's baggage you carry around. When you realize it's heavy and burdensome it convinces you to keep carrying it because it knows better. Even though time after time it gets proven wrong until it can no longer come up with any excuses and you let it go. You realize that wasn't you at all and a better you shines through.

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>>39643681
>Why is the demonization of the Ego so common in spiritual communities or beliefs?
Because it's a stop-gap to prevent too many evil sorcerers from existing. Magic, enlightenment, and even transcending are completely morally agnostic. By claiming the ego must be discarded, aspiring seekers will either temper selfishness out of themselves or withdraw from any pursuit of power altogether. Absolutely nothing at all prevents the most selfish, vain, greedy person from communing closely with the Highest nor are there any blocks in any energetic circuits or anything from being such a way. Ego memes are spouted by both good and evil people, good people to prevent bad occultists, and evil people to prevent even a good occultist from taking action upon them due to their own detachment. The reality is that everything is you, include the you-you, that you and all you's simply must be brought into alignment together, power flows through the connection circuits, from touching upon Creator and then bringing that downwards, not by dissolving yourself and fleeing upwards.

>>39643955

Your concept of ME is false. When you do the work, the actual work, deep heart wrenching soul crushing horrific plunging into the depths of self to find out who YOU truly ARE you do not find the personality. You find your authentic self. You find Oneness. You do not know who you are. Your personality is a mask, your individuality is an illusion, you have never got within an iota of what your self is, what really constitutes I and your very BEING if you think your personality is what makes you ME. And as long as you keep up this charade and fight the Truth about what you are you will find nothing but death and destruction. The thing you think of as ME will be ripped from you while you suffer in abject terror the second you cross that great threshold. That thing you think is ME is fast approaching the abyss and you can not stop it. So start probing, start diving inward, and find out what you really are because that ridiculous mask you wear to hide you from eternity isn't coming with you once you cross.

>Demonization of "Ego"
https://voca.ro/1okL100kPxmq
if you didn't want to listen to that, basically saturn is related to ego.

>>39643681
Because damaging your ego causes mental illness which is what they want from you

Your ego can either be your best friend or your worst enemy, depending on how you play your "cards".

>>39645205
I'll explain further; essentially ego teachings are false, they presuppose nondualist ideas, but if nondualist thought were yrue, ego would still be the only being, and thus not deluded. This proves dualism, btw.

Ego is your persona aswell, so don't hsrm it. Finally, there was never a teaching in hindu religion about ego denial in the Western sense of ego, the word ego in hindu parlay means that you identify with the physical body and not the soul.

All in all === they just wanna cause mental illness.

Why does everyone in this thread saying ego death causes mental illness sound mentally ill themselves?

>>39645323
Because we're not bots with an agenda

>>39645330
Obviously you do, that's why you are all taking out of your ass.

The greatest cosmic mindfuck of Christianity's "guilty until proven innocent" doctrine isn't just that it's a rigged system of psychological terrorism - it's that it's built on the most fundamental lie ever told about human nature. You're born condemned, stained with "original sin," told you're broken and deserving of eternal torture unless you submit to an invisible cosmic dictator. But here's the explosive truth that shatters this whole corrupt system: your true essence is already perfect, boundless, and untainted. No original sin, no cosmic debt, no need for salvation - because there was never anything wrong with you to begin with.

The pathetic game of trying to prove your innocence in Christianity's rigged cosmic courtroom isn't just impossible - it's based on a complete misunderstanding of what you really are. The real awakening comes from seeing that we don't need external validation from some celestial judge because we were never separate from the divine in the first place. All this guilt, shame, and spiritual striving is just an elaborate illusion obscuring the radiant perfection that's been our birthright all along. The only real "sin" was believing we were ever sinful. Once you break free from this mind control and see through the veil of religious conditioning, you realize that what you've been desperately seeking - wholeness, peace, divine connection - was what you already were, are, and always will be. The ultimate liberation comes from recognizing their masterful manipulation: making us feel so fundamentally flawed that we'd spend eternity trying to earn what was already ours.

>>39643681
The Ego was never real. There is no "higher self" as that implies the reality of the "lower self" which isn't real. There is only The Self, which you can call God if you want, its not that the ego is shed on death, its that upon death you wake up to the fact it was never real to begin with.
Enlightenment is simply gaining the knowledge conferred upon death without actually needing to fully die. Meditation and transcendental psychadelics facilitate this, NDEs can also.

>>39643681
Ego is a parasite, it is a false construct.
ego thinks it's separate from the rest of reality, it can only ever be a parasite and must be killed because it will always only end in suffering.
it's a cancer. a house of cards waiting to collapse.
the demiurge is the final manifestation of ego. pure parasitism and delusion.

>>39643692
this

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>>39643692
True egolessness is not submission—it is the ultimate assertion of power. To be without ego is to transcend the petty, self-serving illusions that bind weaker men. It is not servitude, but liberation. The egoless man is unshackled, immune to insult or praise, untouchable by the manipulations of others. He acts not out of fear or approval but from pure, unyielding strength of will. To discard the ego is not to become a slave; it is to become a master of oneself, invincible and unstoppable, a force of nature that bends to no one.

Humility, on the other hand, is nothing more than a mask for the weak. It is a false facade worn by cowards too afraid to claim their rightful power. They hide behind it, pretending virtue, when in truth it is a shield for their inadequacy. The humble man grovels, seeking approval through his submission, while the truly egoless man stands tall, indifferent to the opinions of others. Humility is not strength—it is the denial of it. It is a lie, a trap for those too weak to embrace the raw, unrelenting power of true selflessness.

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>>39643681
>Why is the demonization of the Ego so common in spiritual communities or beliefs?
Gnostic infiltration.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ictdm5HDGLw

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>>39643681
Many see the ego as being the primitive, animal side of mankind. I can't blame people who think like this; after all, most human problems are connected to the ego.
Why do you think people spend hours insulting each-other here instead of debating about important matters? The ego compels you to defend "yourself", to show "you" are right and stronger.
When the ego dies it only remains the Spirit, the "Spark of God", The Kingdom of God within, or Nibbana.

>>39646644
Same poster here.
To kill something is to let it starve, so, to kill the ego you just don't feed it.
Someone insulted you? Ignore them, don't allow the ego to drive you into a "nigga momment"; someone hit you? Just walk away, "give the other cheek", like a Great Master once said.
Small gestures, or lack of them, like these, make all the difference. Soon you'll cease to "yourself" and you'll become the All.

>>39643681
For me on my personal path, I want to strip the ego and see what's left. I've done it once before and was greeted by the chaos of my subconcious, a hellish demension where beasts would run amok and inexplicably turn civil at random points.

There are things to learn by stripping yourself of your ego, a greater comprehension of the self is first and foremost. Just don't become lost in your own abyss.

>>39643692
You don't have to be in a cult to be brainwashed. Billions of people worship anything from their favourite sports team to celebrity to musician to corporate brand and every other object or concept that people generally subscribe to. The west is one big cult made up of smaller cults.

>>39643681
Your body will die it knows it and its cool with it it love you so much and likes to be your body.
Your ego/mind /brain its a toolto help you navigate reality thought your consciousness it afraid to die its self conscious of this fact, but you wont forget it and will live in your memories . Just as your body is not you but your body is you, your mind isnt you but you are you mind.
Consciousness might be the same case with something above it, maybe higher self?

I really don't understand either side of this thread. Maybe I just am in the wrong place seeking answers but I don't understand the good or bad side of not having an ego or having one. I guess for context I'm in a pretty horrible dark moment of my life. Literally the moment I turned 30 I pretty much lost everything. Now almost 34 it's been a fucking hell struggle. I've been doing a lot to try and self improve from working out and dieting to weening off vices but it's been hard trying to get over my insecurities. I have been told that such self loathing is part of the ego, and to find acceptance and content in being alone and to appreciate the things you do have. But I'm having a hard time with it. I don't want to be a millionare, and I am much so a homebody who never understood the constant need to go out, but this doesn't mean I didn't want to from time to time. Is it really egotistical to want, or even need a deeper connection with someone? To need more than just your friend giving you a pat on the back and telling you everything is all right? To want more of a purpose in your life? To want to fight for someone other than you? I don't know if I can keep up with this constant struggle with not a single moment to rest, but the problem seems to circular.

>>39643692
Fpbp. Also psychedelic users obsessed with ego death and their pseudo-spiritual-psychosis-lite need something to cling to as well.

>>39646922
Psychoanalysis is Jewish.

>>39646931
Jew chads can't stop winning. They control absolutely everything about your life and society more broadly. The true ubermensch

>>39646865
Yeah spirituality in general is like 90% gaslighting bullshit and the whole "ego is evil" is a part of that.

Yeah there can be benefits from "losing your ego" (temporarily at least) and I'm not trying to tell you that you shouldnt consider stuff like that, but everyone is totally unique on a spiritual level and not everyone is an egomaniac who's life will be magically fixed if they get "humbled"

>>39646974
What experience do you have?

>>39644386
>Ego is selfish. It's the voice that says "but what about me?" It does not care for others and puts themselves over everything else.
You can have a strong sense of ego and care about others though. Ego does not mean no empathy.

>>39644681
Who decides what concept is of ME is right or wrong? Why can what you call an illusion that part of Me not have its consent respected to remain? To exist? To prevail?

Honestly I don't even know if "anti-ego" people understand how dull and sad that view is. If all of us humans, our dreams, desires, personalities are just... fleeting illusions that don't matter, that are fake... then nothing here matters. Why should I get out of bed? Why should we not kill ourselves?

Oh, your mom/pet/children died. Whatever. It's just my ego who is upset and that ego is just an illusion. Doesn't matter, nothing here does.

>>39646985
Are you a bot?

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Isn't God himself pure Ego though?
Whatever God wants happens exactly how God wants it to happen, if you like it or not.
God keeps his nature and personality at all times, moves where he wants, desires what he wants, fulfills what he wants.

So why is it wrong to want to be like God?

>>39647115
Suddenly quiet all of a sudden, guess you were full of shit all along.

>>39647113
>You can have a strong sense of ego and care about others though. Ego does not mean no empathy.
The places where you have empathy are the places you do not have ego (fear). Confidence is not ego.

>>39647351
I care a lot for people that I fear deeply about, so no.

I think they want a hivemind and to get rid of spirituality alltogether, one of the eleven who do not want magic widespread or enlightenment is the unity, aka the hivemind, and it seeks to erase free thought and make itself the only thinking thing in the universe. its the need to fit in, the us vs them mentality.

I can see it manipulating people to think all is one. or something like that and inviting people sublty to be under its control. true enlightenment means you see more than others.

battles happen all the way to the highest of realms, people just dont see them from here all the time. getting rid of your willpower and surrending to foreign demonic entities or other manipulative forces is the dumbest thing you can do.

>>39643681
I'm way too tired for an effort post, but it basically boils down to this:
Siddhis are only accessible by the subconscious. Psi/ESP in general is only accessible to the subconscious, including access to the collective unconscious. The conscious mind acts as a literal censor/filter to this, presumably so that you don't become an instant schizophrenic the moment you are born, and can have a normal animal life.
The ego and its dominant impulses are a complete show-stopper for any spiritual power to manifest, thus spiritual currents naturally made a big deal of subduing it and keeping it in check.
Over time, like everything in religion, the reasons why things are done got lost, and we started doing things just because it was the dogma. But now you know.

Originally religions were meant to 1. become the masters and stewards of this world, 2. teach humans how to transcend this world.

>>39647420
all religions were all corrupted by the eleven over the past few thousand years.

>>39647420
>The ego and its dominant impulses are a complete show-stopper for any spiritual power to manifest

And why is that? Do you think God isn't pure ego? He just decides he wants something and it happens. Why is this impossible for a human, made in his image, to happen?

>>39644528
>Thank you wise anon for this transcendental wisdom, you who have figured out all things that no other could

>>39647429
I'd argue much longer. Most myths such as Christ's are rehashed from older traditions. We've been in a prison of our own making for a very long time.
>>39647441
>why is that
I explained it in that same post. It's incompatible with being an animal.
>isn't god pure ego? he just decides
I don't personally believe such a "God" exists with capital G (individual powerful spirits, yes). But they are not incarnated. That is key. Discarnate spirits are free to be spiteful, egotistic, lustful, etc. But while incarnated, if you focus on those things, it's harder for you to access your spiritual side. It's just how incarnation works.

>>39647473
>It's incompatible with being an animal.
Says who though... like who made up that rule and why can it not be broken? People astral travel and just will whatever they want into existence on the spiritual realm with their ego. You don't need to be an egoless monk to do this. You can be a lazy, egomaniac wizard.
>It's just how incarnation works.
And why do you think it works this way if God isn't real? Who put that system into place?

>>39645226
Ego IS dualism—there’s a you and a me, separate. Although in truth, all life and all processes in the universe are so perfectly intertwined one can’t exist without the other, that is to say they are One. You wouldn’t be here without the Sun, moon, soil, worms, trees, dinosaurs, and so on. So, like cells in a body, everything is part of the universal body. But the ego doesn’t see that. It sees you vs me, you vs nature, you vs the universe - fight for survival. In this game of survival you have to be on edge 24/7, so much so you don’t see that the universe is actually helping you to live in ways you aren’t even aware of, it gave you life in the first place. You’re a leaf on the universal tree, you’re an extension of the universe, you are the universe expressing itself through you

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>>39647420
Samefag here. I want to point out that this doesn't mean you need to be an egoless saint in order to awaken and use siddhis. It means you have to leave aside superficial conditioned thinking and align with your true self, which is normally subconscious and eternal (probably). In this life we all start from a stance of absolute falsity, with opinions and desires that are completely removed from how we really are.
Once you connect with your true self, you're free to be whatever that true self really is, even if that means being "evil".
We have a distorted view of what being "egoless" really means. It doesn't mean being a goody two-shoes. The "ego" is just the false self, the mask. If your true self is a heartless bastard, so be it. You just need to first kill the false self to find out.
>>39647542
>says who
Dunno. But read what I said above, don't misunderstand what "being egoless" means.
>who put the system into place
I don't know. But I believe we did. I personally believe we stem from outside this universe, like digglets poking our heads in, and that our primary nature is what created this place before plunging into it. Bruce Moen talks about this structure of being in his first couple or three of books.

>>39645982
It’s not a cancer or a parasite either. It’s a mirage. You think it’s there but it’s not really there. How can you kill something that doesn’t exist? It’s an endless game

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>>39647542
>just will whatever they want into existence on the spiritual realm with their ego
I can actually provide my personal experience to answer this better. I astral travel a lot. At the beginning, I used to fuck everything that moved in the astral.
Still, this wasn't my ego. It's very evident to me, judging by the times when I have witnessed the separation, and not just woken up directly in the astral, that the ego remains with the body.
What we are in the astral is someone else. The ghost, as John Kreiter puts it. And that ghost does have a personality. Again, "egoless" does not mean free of a personality, flaws, or desires. It just means we're not identifying with the animal, body-bound self, but a more transcendent self.

You made me realize one of the chief problems with the ego is we have forgotten what the concept is supposed to represent. No wonder we can't tackle it, if we can't even look at the issue properly.
Here I am effortposting again. Damn you.

>>39647549
You can be connected like a family tree, Father and Son, sharing the same blood and morals without LITERALLY being the same hivemind-egoless-alien-mush.

Why is it either "either or" like you just have to be egoless, hivemind or you are delusional and mislead. A father isn't the exact same thing as his son, yet they are closely connected and emphasize.

>>39646503
You had me in the first part.
There are two kinds of humility. The ego’s facade of humility is exactly as you described it, then there’s true humility. True humility is to look out into the stars and realise how small you are in the grand scheme of things, all those huge problems you’re pulling your hair out over will mean nothing in a year, and meant nothing a year ago, and this universe has been around for way more than billions of years. Why spend your blip of a lifetime stressing over made up problems when you’re here in the most marvellous and most curious place? You can die tomorrow and become nothing more than mulch for some fungus, your loved ones will eventually wipe their tears for the last time, and then die themselves. And life goes on. True humility is looking into the eyes of everyone you meet and knowing that they are no better or worse than you, brothers and sisters, they too from ashes to ashes and dust to dust. Some misguided, sure, some may have more figured out than you, some lucky, some not having a good life at all, but everyone and everything is here with you, and that’s all there is too it.

>>39647591
manipulating the micro to effect the macro, basically you manipulate the smallest thing to effect the biggest, the molecule, the atomic, the subatomic, to effect multiverses.

as above so below.

>>39647634
seems like an ideology to be honest. people can be people and choose how they want to be, they are accountable as we all are.

>>39646865
I feel you anon. What really worked for me was keeping a gratitude journal. Just writing down what I appreciated from the past day or whenever. Five things every evening before I went to sleep. It helps you to appreciate what you have. It may sound small and meaningless, and you might think there’s very little to give thanks for, but give it a try, it compounds over time believe me.
Psychologically, the first and last thoughts you have before and after sleep set the tone for the rest of the day

>>39647124
Whatever happens also happens exactly how you want it. Ego is wanting what’s best for you, God is wanting what’s best for all. Which do you want?

>>39647591
Will and Ego are separate things. You can have an individual will without having an ego. No one wants you to be part of a hive mind. No one wants to impose on you what you don’t want. Just because we have two wills doesn’t mean they have to oppose, they can run tandem, they can support each other. The ego says they cannot and it’s me vs you

>>39647688
Yes and no. You’re free to choose to be the big man on the block, but there’s always a bigger man two blocks down. And in the end your knees will grow weak, you’ll need support to walk, and you’ll learn you were never so big after all. That’s life. Humble yourself or be humbled

>>39647713
Who decides what is best though? Why is someone else's definition of that more important than mine or yours?

>>39647747
I don't want to be absorbed in some "WE ARE ALL ONEEE OMMM" hivemind and lose my desires and perspectives that I have as the human me when I die. Apparently I have to though or I will remain in hell or some bullshit, at least that's what I see spiritual people say.

>>39647782
Hold your horses. I never said nothing about deciding what’s best, I said wanting what’s best. Do you not want what’s best for you and yours? Of course you do, we all do. Having no ego just means you see everything as you and yours.

And again, what you’re saying I said is the opposite of what I said. You lose nothing except for the antagonistic stance of me vs you, that’s all. Really, you lose nothing and gain everything.

>>39643681
the ego doesn't really exist, it's all just words to understand abstact things.
it goes more or less like this, to enter this matrx construct you have ot pass the veil of forgetfulness. this matrix is a soup of astral energies, negatives and positives. with no memories, and a body with limited senses, your soul picks up all sorts of bagage, positive and negative, and ideas, and beliefs, such as the notion of being mortal, weak, suceptible to hunger and so on. upon these notions and beliefs, your soul embarks on it's journey, building a personality along the way. As you can see in this example, a lot of our personalities are built upon beliefs that are false, fears, and so on. This is what new agers call the ego, the collection of attributes that we added to our personality born from matrix falsehoods, this, naturally, will have to go away when we leave the matrix, when we die. It doesn't mean that all of your personality goes away, because, obviously, there were things you came with from before entering this matrix, those thing will survive. what those things are is up to you to discover, you will find out in death, or you can do the spiritual work here, meditate, achieve so called ego death or whatever and find out for yourself

i think the ego is your materialistic needs that go beyond basic needs. it always strives its your motivation. some have a need for it others are weighted down by it. personally i have bad experi3nces having it so i try to abolish it.

>>39648484
There’s no need to abolish it. See, that’s another thing you’re striving for. The ego has decided it needs to get rid of the ego, its a sneaky way for the ego to preserve itself. Just let it be. Whenever a desire pops up just look at it and ask yourself if it will bring lasting fulfilment when you’ve achieved it. Usually the answer is no. You can still strive for it and get it, but its grip on you weakens. It’s no longer life or death if you get it or not, you’re no longer voraciously driven by sporadic and transient goals. Many people are so gripped by their wants they are willing to kill or be killed to achieve them, because they are so sure it will bring them that peace that we all long for. That’s an extreme example, but we do it in small ways every day, throughout the day, with so many things.
I remember food was being served once and I used a friend to help me get to the front of the line. Another person who had reached the front noticed there weren’t enough people serving and so gave up his place to serve others and speed up the queue. Man that was humbling. Of course everyone else was hungry, but I made my hunger more important than theirs. I learned the hard way how desire callouses you to the needs of the people around you. An effective leader has to be able to put his desires aside when the need is there. There might not have been food left at the end but he made sure everyone got served first. Shortly after, someone who had just finished eating took his place and he returned to the back of the line. I still continued to put myself first after that, but that happening worked on me and urged me to look at my ego each time I put my desires first.
So yeah, just let it be and notice when it pops up. The ego is like a shadow, shine the light of awareness on it and it will fade away

Ego is malleable. It can't be destroyed as long as you are in your flesh prison, but it can be reformed to better suit the needs of your Self. By Self I mean our true Self, the idealistic and pure side of you, but material world hardly meets our idealism. We are separate in physical terms and ego serves us to handle this stuff. A mirage, perhaps, but it has utility.

Ego can become malformed as a result of unmet needs (not necessarily by needs or values of our own), perhaps as part of our upbringing (parents pouring their ignorance unto us), or perhaps we haven't been equipped to handle battles of egos well and the consequent suffering as a result, resulting in maladaption. Separate any external values imposed on you and find your true Self, then you may be able to mold your ego accordingly, to better suit Your needs and hopefully of the world at the same time.

Whether big or small, an ego is with you as an aspect of the material you to handle this material realm. Use and treat it well.

>>39643681
Ego != Self
Although that seems to be a popular idea in modern times for some reason. The Ego would be more like your avatar when playing a video game.

>>39650179
Ok so why does the "avatar" not deserve consent and to remain? Why can our human avatars only be used like puppets or characters and then thrown away?

>>39650509
Not who you were talking to, but my view on this is because ego cannot understand there are meta rules to the game. If you are playing a survival game where the there is plenty of food, and the your avatar will choose to eat automatically when hungry you will never get the achievement for starving to death unless you can figure out how to overcome the game AI.

>>39650509
First of all, I didn't say anything about it having to disappear.
The problem with the Ego is not that it exists, but that you identify as "being" it. If someone identifies as "being" their character in a game, then that's a problem for them. But as long as someone has awareness that they aren't their character then there's nothing wrong with them still playing that character, for fun.
Just as there's nothing wrong with having an Ego and "playing it" as long as you know the truth of what you are.

And secondly, the question is still a bit silly because it's like asking why your avatar inside a video game doesn't "deserve" to be kept "alive" even after you're done playing with it.
It's not alive in the first place.
>Why can our human avatars only be used like puppets or characters and then thrown away?
Because if you knew what you truly were then you'd see your human Ego is nothing but a puppet. The great ignorance of this world is the idea that the unreal should control the real (through ignorance of not knowing what's real).

>>39643857
>A lot of men interested in spirituality to the level you would be posting on x or getting to the point of researching such esotericism as relates to literally dismantling your perception are running from something.
I feel like that's exactly the problem.

One of the most common problems in esoterism is not wanting to confront ones own traumas and limiting beliefs, which ironically is the only path towards true spirituality.

Everyone wants to achieve enlightenment or gnosis, yet almost nobody wants to do the hard (shadow) work.

You cannot escape yourself by denying yourself.

Know thyself, Accept thyself, Become the (extension of the) Creator.

One more thing I'll say about the ego. The ego, at least as most people see it, is simply the masculine aspect of ones existence. It's not meant to be discarded, but instead brought into balance with the ID, or the feminine aspect of ones self. Left rain and right brain.

The issue is that most people confuse their traumatized limiting beliefs with the true expression of the masculine self.

Again, shadow work is critical. It's how you remove the subconscious energetic blockages that prevent you from experiencing your true self.

>>39647773
whoever trains the hardest wins. having ego doesn't mean being stupid or wreckless, I think battles are important, and so are lessons I assume, but if you havn't mastered a level 1 healing spell or alchemy to a degree your regen potions are actually not shit then don't bother with battle. when you fight, you win, or you die its all on the line all the time. to be great you have to do what the weak refuse to do.

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>>39647713
Neither. I want what's best for my in-group, which includes me and a specific set of people who meet a specific set of criteria. You're committing the false dichotomy fallacy by assuming that total selfishness and total selflessness are the only available options.

>>39643681
The ego is important part of yourself and its 'difficulties' come into being due to reality, but once resolved properly strength your soul. Its essentially the connection to the physical world, but as surviving physically isn't easy, especially mentally, it has to do stuff to keep you alive, which is essentially to cope with reality.

The demonization comes in a various forms of looking at the above and the hassles of it. Some demonize as they believe that the hardships of physical existence aren't worth it and think you should destroy your ego entirely so that you can return to the supposedly blissful nothingness in which you came. Others know that the ego is important so manipulate you to try and control it. Others see the effects of the manipulation and view the ego itself as the issue not the manipulation. Fuel your ego to much and you neglect your spiritual self and only enjoy one tiny reality.

We all want the perfect ego that feels perfect yet still special to us. If we had one already we wouldn't be posting here probably. To me its like a puzzle that needs to be solved, it can take a lot of work to figure out but slowly unwinding it and discovering it only improves you. The ego is not to be shattered, but its not be made the be all and end all that controls you. Crush its negative traits, praise its positives. Bend it into the thing that makes you feel truly whole and then you'll reach transcendence.

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>>39643681
Ego is the tool which we use to navigate the mundane world. Because the mundane world of many spiritual beginners suck they blame their ego with it and run away to spiritual solitude instead of cultivating a healthy balance with it.

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Seeing you all so attached to your ego is hilarious. it's what keeps you afraid of death and in the eternal cycle of suffering. You're only doing this to yourself

>>39654698
Trollface will be reborn as a retard who hates the world though, nobody is spared, none of your accomplishments or sins here matter

>>39647124
This is exactly why God is retarded and it's a projection of mankind's own ego into literal nothingness. A real 'god' has no ego and exists in all forms eternally, that's real Monism. Your god is a limited form you created within your own imagination that only exists contextually within your own imagination

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>>39647587
The ego, in psychological terms, is the part of the mind that deals with reality and mediates between the demands of the primitive instincts, superego, and the external world. In spiritual contexts, the ego is often viewed as a barrier to higher consciousness or spiritual realization. This is because the ego's constant need for control, identity, and separation can obstruct the experience of unity or oneness that many spiritual traditions aim for.
By subduing the ego, individuals may be able to access deeper states of consciousness where spiritual powers manifest. Practices like meditation, mindfulness, and certain rituals are designed to reduce ego-centric thoughts and promote a more open, receptive state of mind. This idea aligns with various psychological theories, particularly those explored by Sigmund Freud and Carl Jung. Freud's model of the mind divides it into the conscious, preconscious, and unconscious (subconscious) realms. The unconscious is thought to house a wealth of information, including repressed memories, desires, and even latent abilities.

>>39654794
Ego is desire, want, understanding, knowledge, and a distraction from our own senses. Only when we have no preconceptions or ideas of what we are experiencing, are we experiencing the ultimate reality. Pain also seems to exist with in the ego only, at least understanding of what pain is is necessary to feel it in a negative sense, ego is the cause of all suffering and only a temporary bringer of joy

>>39646629
Gnostics are the biggest egoists I have ever given the chance to talk to.

>>39654811
Spoken as someone who never experienced suffering in an egoless state, probably because you have never experienced such a state. ie. armchair psychologist/mystic.
Also, you answered to AI.

>>39643681
New agers and buddhists think ego death is good but the ego is the shield against demonic possession. Blank slates will can only be imprinted upon.

big ego
small ego
no ego
it does not matter
it's all about the HEART
why no one talks about the HEART

>>39643681
Ego is the conditioned state of life. Erode it and rely on the ground, the rigpa, the Buddha-nature, "being".

>>39643681
meditate more. Once you get past the initial hurdles of boredom and sleepyness you start to reach this weird headspace where you start to feel separated from your thoughts and emotions and they begin to feel like a TV in the background instead of you.

IDK I still wouldn't go far enough to demonize the ego its a part of me just like every other part but it isn't all of me any more than I should define myself by a single finger. And sometimes it's deluded and shouldn't be blindly listened to

>>39643681
ego is commonly conflated with arrogance which is why it is demonized.

also just because your ego tells you something will make you feel better, it doesnt mean you will actually feel better or fulfilled.

>I want to keep my ego and personality, why won't that be respected?
thing is, most people especially on 4chan will respect this. its only successful people who dont. there are two trains of thought: the world is molded around you or you mold the world around yourself. you seek comfort within yourself so you are the former. the latter requires you to step outside of your comfort zone and do things your ego or personality has never conceived of before.

funnily enough finite mathematics will tell you that its more "rational" to be the high risk high reward type and through your personality/ego away because the expected value is significantly much higher.

also people like you are very nostalgia driven. you have to grow up

>>39643681
Because the ego is the part of you that provides self agency, therefore potentially drifts you away from God's intent, which is for you to procreate without hesitation so that animals evolve and become evermore perfect in God's image, eventually reaching the entire syretch of the Universe. Of course, God alknows this intent is an overidealized course of reality. God knows nothing ia thatblinear. Thus, God allows demons and egos to exist in order to provide some alternate courses for reality. This is especially useful in a multiverse. One of God's universes will make it. Protip: it's the one without jews in it. Jews arr uberdemons.