If Yahweh is the Demiurge, who is the alien God who is the father of the gnostic Jesus?
Jesus is Saboath. One of Yaldaboath’s sons.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sabaoth_(Gnosticism)
>>39652727Vishnu for the hindus. Sophia for the greeks. Chokma for the jews. Jesus is an avatar the same as Krishna and Buddha
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>>39652778>>39652789You are wrong. Sabaoth is Zeus, Jupiter, Odin, Lakshmi.
>>39652814Yes genius, those are the same archon.
>>39652825Yes. It is Sabaoth. Jesus father is not that one retard.
Jesus’s Dad is the demiurge. All you’re doing is aggressively agreeing with me.
>>39652833No. If we go to Kabalah... Demiurge is Kether, Jesus is Tipheret, Jesus father is Chokmah. You are saying Jesus is Chesed.
>>39652793https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=5ut37zda30Ihttps://m.youtube.com/watch?v=ddo7BO6CaOUshe takes pity on fools that are stupid when it really countsancient collective genetic train back to source, your standing on the tracks until your on boardhttps://m.youtube.com/watch?v=Q7UPDtA0ceY
>>39652855This is a gnostic thread, I don’t care about your Jew magic.
>>39652727you fucking retards will believe in anything as long as its not in the bible
>>39652862Sabaoth is in the Bible. He’s Jesus.
>>39652727There is only one God, our Father whom made everything, us included. Jesus is God who came on Earth to save us and suffer and give his life for us, that we might be saved from under the judgement of God. God took his own wrath and judgement on himself to save us from it. We only need to accept it. Because in morally just universe that we live in, everything must be judged accordingly. Sin must be paid for. But our Father, God, is still is willing to suffer himself and be humiliated by the hands of men in order to save humanity abd take this sin on himself. Christ died on the cross of a broken heart, when as his last pain, he felt how it means when God turns his back on someone. That is why he cried: "My God, my God, why have you forsaken me?" He experienced despair of the people who forsake God for sin, and are forsaken in turn, and this evil of mankind killed him. This is the Truth of God's love that every other religion lacks. The lengths he would go to save us. Remember, only God, our Father carries on him wounds of the cross dealt to him by man. Amongst angels and divine hierarchies, spiritual entities and principalities, only our Father the God, Creator of all, carries willingly the wounds of men.
>>39652866It doesnt say anything about a demiurge or sophia in the bible. God was manifest in the flesh and gnostics are still BTFO'd about it after 2000 years. All you'd have to do to disprove gnosticism is read the first page of the bible.And God called the dry land Earth; and the gathering together of the waters called he Seas: and God saw that it was good....And God saw every thing that he had made, and, behold, it was very good. And the evening and the morning were the sixth day.
>>39652895YHWH/God is the demiurge
>>39652893This guy knows. One thing to note, "My God, my God, why have you forsaken me" is also a reference to Psalm 22 which predicted Jesus.
I’m surrounded by reluctant gnostics.
until you peak behind the curtain, youve got blinders onever hear of thing called chain of custody?how many men does it take to break that?get smarter fast everybody
>>39652898Doesnt say that anywhere in the bible. You have to go read egyptian neoplatonist fags to find that out. You think I havent read the Nag Hammadi multiple times? Its bad fanfiction.
>>39652915It does, you just don’t know how to read Greek or Hebrew.
>>39652922Show me where.
>>39652893>God took his own wrath and judgement on himself to save us from it."Wrath" is the significant word there. That's not a sense of justice being satisfied, that's just rage finding an alternative target. Real justice doesn't work that way. No sane God should need to beat his innocent son black and blue as a prerequisite for forgiving some other guy.
>>39652925I’m going to go make omelet instead.
>>39652727>who is the father of the gnostic JesusThe Father mentioned by Jesus in all texts about his teachings, not just in the Gnostic texts, is The One, The All. This is no entity, no god, or anything at all, it's something beyond "things", beyond divinity, and beyond explanation and human knowledge; even the term "god" is insufficient, the best term would be "Primordial Conscious". Unlike YHWH or Allah, The One feels no rage, no fury, no sadness, no regrets and no happiness. They have no chosen people, and everyone can connect with Them, through religious or non religious methods. The One is everything and everyone, and yet They are none. The One is the Ain Sof of the Kabbalah, or Brahaman from the Upanishads, for example.>If Yahweh is the DemiurgeYHWH, Allah and many others are but a corrupted view of the One. When a man receives the true view of what god "is", he can go through two paths: one is to accept he will never understand god and therefore he won't give god any human attributes; the second is to try to understand god through human lenses and, in the process, give god human attributes. When one chooses the second, one is actually reflecting their human ego on the One; this is called "god-man", a "god of the heart", it is a god created in the image of man. This is how the Abrahamic god was born.>who is the alien GodAlien gods are extraterrestrial civilizations that landed on earth before Homo sapiens. These entities engineered us and "created" modern human.
the gatekeepers of the Truth had control of both hands in order to maintain control, the catholic church has known, the visions of the Blessed Mother kept in secrecy as to their implicationwhen the union in the mind is reconnected with Her, you become a vessel for the unionthis is what they desperately try to prevent, by any meanskubrick left a timebomb before they killed himhttps://m.youtube.com/watch?v=Eb-yG11aTFshttps://m.youtube.com/watch?v=uki4lrLzRaU
>>39652904It is also a reference to a System of a Down song called Chop Suey
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=12SEAVHnpGQhttps://m.youtube.com/watch?v=AIm6F3-A5xgalot of crazy gays and old drunks couldnt handle the truth, didnt grasp the full picture, and we get fear that keeps stacking generation after generation until its all corrupted
>>39652947How convenient. I'll assume your evidence is limited to "the bible says the word wisdom"
its possible that he was born of 2 eggs fusing, or one that was anomalous, perfection and creation comes from Her, men seek to destroy until the fire is controlled...he might not have had a father and his confusion could not be resolved while keeping a pure heart, the paradox
man could not comprehend past the confusion until an understanding of genetics came about, nor the concept of an ancient being taking primitive beings by the hand and lifting them up, and inviting them on the journey back to Sourceyou dont know what you dont know
>>39652925I think you're both wrong and the demiurge isn't evil just because he created an imperfect material universe in the image of the true perfect GodNothing material can be perfect, the idea of God is perfect, creating a material God(the universe) cannot be perfect.That doesn't make anyone involved in all of this overtly evil
>>39653117And let me add, why would anyone believe it's even possible to make a perfectly good universe? If that was possible it wouldn't be the universe, it would be God himself. The demiurge probably tried their best and was at the whims of pure creative energy, the demiurge creates the same way we breath, it just happens
imagine a world shaped by one ancient being that didnt travel very far, then another probably older being comes along and says hey this train is rolling through, we know where the party is, its us and were all going the same way....now imagine this world as a map in a game that everybody liked so much they keep reusing it to get more people to the party...so you think its the first time its being played, because you dont know what you dont know, turns out its an attari game in the corner of an arcade, a prison for the unworthy, and the proving ground for new recruits...
>>39653117Jesus created the world, not a demiurge.
>>39653338Suppose that is the case, I'm not arguing for or against it. Why would anyone suppose the world could be perfect? The only perfect thing is God
>>39653338Jesus was a man, what Jesus found within is what emanated reality.Don't be an idolater.
>>39653356Heaven is perfect and the new heaven will merge with the new earth, so this is disproven. We are not perfect or good in the flesh but we will be made good and perfect otherwise we couldnt exist in heaven with God.
>>39652893>God died to save us from God's wrathUnOrthdox. https://www.patheos.com/blogs/emergingorthodox/2012/06/refusing-the-gangster-god-why-im-orthodox/https://www.orthodoxroad.com/downloads/river-of-fire-kalomiros-cropped.pdf
>>39652727Jesus' Father is Satan
>>39653363Jesus was the almighty God in the flesh.Colossians 2:9 For in him dwelleth all the fulness of the Godhead bodily.1 John 5:7 For there are three that bear record in heaven, the Father, the Word, and the Holy Ghost: and these three are one.John 1:1-3,14 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.The same was in the beginning with God.All things were made by him; and without him was not any thing made that was made....And the Word was made flesh, and dwelt among us, (and we beheld his glory, the glory as of the only begotten of the Father,) full of grace and truth.
>>39653407I can give you passages from other "holly books" that say the same thing about, let's say, Krishna.What's your point?
>>39653388Sounds like a fun way to go to hell.
>>39653382>We are not perfect or good in the fleshExactly what I'm saying, the material cannot be perfect, we will only be perfect when we are united with God because only God is perfect.
>>39653431The difference is one is true and one isnt true.
>>39653450God can be perfect in the flesh, thats how we know he's God. WE cant be perfect in the flesh, we have to be reborn and be given perfect bodies.
>>39653452>The difference is one is true and one isnt true.Care to prove why? Krishna was God's presence on earth way before Yeshua.Why shouldn't they both be right, since none of their teachings are in conflict?Why are the Abrahamic religions the right ones? What makes a right religion? The Bible? Please...
>>39653439May God be with you anon.
>>39653465God wasn't perfect in the flesh, that's why he died. Perfect things don't die.Perfection is only reached through unity with God. You cannot be YOU and be perfect. You will have to give up yourself, both ego and body, and become a drop in the ocean that is God
>>39653491He chose to die so he could prove his love for you.John 15:13 Greater love hath no man than this, that a man lay down his life for his friends.I was into esoteric stuff for most of my life but the real thing hits so much harder. Its the key to eternal life.
>>39653518I thought the reason we die is sin, so how does someone without sin die?Isn't choosing to die, suicide? Isn't suicide a mortal sin?
>>39653518Bhagawad Gita, Chapter 4, verse 8: "Whenever Dharma declines, I will self manifest at the end of the Yuga to reestablish Dharma"
>>39652825https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QltP2jF2bP4
>>39653535I INCARNATE MYSELF BY MY OWN POTENCY MILLENNIUM AFTER MILLENNIUM
>>39653527He took our sin upon himself and received the punishment we deserve and if you believe in him you are accepting that payment and are immediately imputed with his perfect righteousness. The instant this happens, you will have eternal life and can never be lost. You should try it just for shits and giggles for a second. What harm could it do? Eternal life in an instant. Boddhisatvas btfo
Jesus went to hell so you dont have to. You are not a good person. You are not smart. Just accept his payment for your sins and live forever already.
>>39652895>God was manifest in the flesh and gnostics are still BTFO'd about it after 2000 yearsthis is just a pharasitical meme intended to keep followers of the fledgling religion away from spiritual endeavors by saying God must fuck your mom in order for you to have spiritual powers.anyone claiming to have spiritual powers is le debil, because we cant have breakaways that question feeding the blood egregore
>>39652955>This is no entity, no god, or anything at all, it's something beyond "things", beyond divinity, and beyond explanation and human knowledge; even the term "god" is insufficientthus the Tao
>>39653407>circular reasoning is good
>>39653549I already believe Jesus died and came back to life after 3 days for my sins.Can you please answer my questions? Was I wrong in my understanding that sin is why we die?How could he die without sin unless it was suicide?
>>39653591Yes. What is your point? Tao, One, All, Brahman, Father, Mother, these are names. Even Lao Tzu says the Tao is but a human term, it means nothing at the end of the day.We humans need names so we can designate things, however, this causes a problem to fools and profane minds, because for them, different names mean different entities, when this is not the case.
>>39653630but the tao and brahman are impersonal, when you say father you are positing some kind of sky-daddy, which is an anthropomorphism. good luck convincing an alien to worship the father. they worship the Source
>>39653660>good luck convincing an alien to worship the father. they worship the Sourcenot that anon but: That is exactly the profane type of thing the other user was getting atIsn't your father basically the source of you? It's a metaphor
>>39653660I was giving examples. Besides, in The Corpus Hermeticum, Hermes Trismegistos refers to the One as both Mother and Father, referring to the Male and Female essences, and the fact that Ain Sof (for example) is both the one who inseminates and the one who gives birth (NOT LITERALLY).Why must you be so literal? You know that allegories and symbology exists to explain or point out things that can't be explained, right?>alien to worship the father. they worship the SourceI agree, but I never said anything about convincing them, I am not a Christian, I hate the concept of conversion.Did you read my post, or did you just cherry-pick things to take out of context and sound inteligent?
>>39652955This guy gets it.
>>39652955>Alien gods are extraterrestrial civilizations that landed on earth before Homo sapiens. These entities engineered us and "created" modern human.Is it true we're just "containers"?If so, what is it we contain that is valuable?
>>39655063>If so, what is it we contain that is valuable?The soul. Which is what *you* actually are, the body is a vehicle
>>39652727>who is the alien God who is the father of the gnostic Jesus?You know who.
>>39655082Keyed
>>39655075Why is the soul valuable to other entities?
>>39652727Yakub.
>>39652727you figured it out.... Jesus was Brahman all alongchrist almighty.
>>39655063is this your body talking?>>39655075this is what the catholic church taught you to believe in the medieval eras, on pain of death. but it is a lie. the soul is a construct of this realm. you precede it, and will exist beyond it. the container is a vector for (You), the individual and indivisible immortal spirit, without extension or location, the thetan. you will tell the toll-house masters "I am a child of the preexisting One, and though I have been going to and fro in this place to see and to be seen, yet now I will return to that place whence I came, the Imperishable Realm."
>>39655944>is this your body talking?I'm still wondering what other entities do with souls and why they're valuable.
Me. i'm his father.I'm satan. hi anon.this is why the demiurge and my son will never tell anyone who their father is.
the demiurge is satan and the source is yahweh. gnostics are literally retarded. its the same exact story as christianity except satan is missing and you now think god is the problem. how convenient
