Is that all there is? Bliss and pain?

>>39704177
i think the point was to show that im unbalanced or something

what I believe this could be is you were at the door, to continue you either embrace oneness (happy) or face the door with fear, but you couldn't decide and no revelation was given

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Report from my last trip on ayahuasca, one hell of a night:

My friends and I take ayahuasca semi-regularly in a religious setting. It includes prayers and hymns. We take the first shot at the start, and about 30-45 minutes later, we take a second shot. That night the second shot was super concentrated because we dind't shake the bottle, so the "good stuff" settles at the bottom.

It starts to kick in. I can immediately tell things are about to get crazy. I vomit, sit down, and listen to the music. The music goes deep; it feels like it's coming from my insides. Literally, it's like my guts are an instrument being played. I shiver and recoil at every guitar note.

My sense of time is warped. The hymns come and go out of order, repeat themselves multiple times over with no logical explanation. One of my friends needs to go home, so we close the ceremony and say the closing prayers. But I'm still very, very high.

I'm so high it's hard to speak. My two remaining friends start a conversation about mundane stuff. I close my eyes and can see them talking to each other, but the scene transforms and distorts based on the topics of the conversation.

For example, one of my friends complains about back pains, says he's hunched, and immediately he transforms into a hunched figure, like a representation of his sickness. I'm completely overwhelmed by this experience.

They talk about many things, like old memories and tobacco addiction (one of my friends is trying to quit). Their words resonate deep in my head, and their "spiritual representation" warp and transform, taking many forms. The night appears to have no end.

Eventually, I go home. I'm still blasted out of my mind. It's 1:00 AM, and their previous conversation goes on and on in my mind. I can't think of anything else but sickness and cigarette addiction (unfortunately, they were the main topics of their conversation).

Finally, I calm down and go to sleep.

pic rel was mfw my friends asked if I was ok.

>>39704343
Raise your vibration anon
That’s the interpretation I got

>>39704150
>be me
>focus on my third eye chakra
>see all sorts of bullshit
>return to thinking about nothing
I could visualize foxes fucking for entertainment I guess.

bump

>>39704150
>the dosage is listed as 10-20 mg.
Looool

>>39704150
Breakthrough dose psychedelics is literally achieving temporary godhood, or reverting to primordial godhood state. Nobody realizes how fucking powerful our minds are, we are literally the matrix itself

>>39707571
im a metocin connoisseur

10-20mg is a really really mild trip, idk why thats the recommended dose

>>39704150
>I consider myself (experienced)
>jimi_hendrix_experience.jpg
>decide to check out some salvia extract
>I've been through worse, right? How bad could it possibly be?
>they sell this shit to dipshits at gas stations all the time, I'm sure I'll be fine
>sit down in an armchair and imbibe in a righteous rip of that sweet 60x
>Suddenly
>without warning
>the chair I'm in and I are being drawn slowly backwards
>we reach a point of peak potential energy and then I experience the sensation of rocketing forward as though the chair and I have been thrust out of a slingshot.
>I experience the most G forces I have ever felt in my entire life
>a fraction of a second later I make contact with the wall in front of me
>the entire nature of my consciousness changes, and there is only darkness.
>a deck of cards is being shuffled.
>a card is chosen from the deck at random.
>the card is flipped. instead of the face of a standard playing card, it appears to be a portal into an unfamiliar scene.
>I'm hurtled into this scene immediately and with great force.
>my insides are totally reconstituted. I feel the pain of every atom being torn apart.
>I spend an incomprehensible period of time as a ferris wheel of burning energy
>eventually I experience the darkness again
>am I a hand?
>all I can feel and move is my hand.
>I use my hand to grasp at myself. I slowly remember that I have arms and legs. I use my hand to remember my other hand. I realize I have a face and eyes, at which point my vision is restored to me.
>I am drenched in sweat and feel like I haven't been a human being for a thousand years.

>>39709411
damn anon. have you gone back since?
Has anyone ever had a positive experience with salvia? I've heard nothing but horror stories.

>be me
>somewhat experienced with psychedelics
>more interested in dream manipulation with the goal to achieve oneiromancy
>have some 4-AcO-DMT/Psilocin drops to try
>pretty experienced with mushrooms so not that worried
>take 40mg(ish) dose
>eat 2g of PE
>have a 12 minutes brew strong mugwort tea because I heard 4-AcO can be a little stimmy and my intention was to sleep
>jump in the shower
>start getting perception change quite quickly
>water rolling on my skin was so beautiful I was deeply emotional by it, euphoria starts to hit
>out, dry, small drink of water
>lay in bed to calm
>lights out, no music, no phone, nothing
>4-AcO is hitting pretty hard
>fractals and patterns emerging through the dark
>the stim is overpowering the mugwort
>leg twitches, getting quite restless
>try to calm, think about nature
>anonneedsnaturenow.jpg
>get up, get dressed, check my phone
>I'm fully functional, totally fine but visual distortion and a background sorting of choral hum
>kiss my gf, she's asleep, leave the house
>there's a big park near me with an ancient standing stone about 10min walk away
>head there, feeling pretty ok
>lots of animation, especially trees and plants
>moon is intense light I could feel on my skin. Cooling. Like the anti sun
>reach the park
>felt desire to touch trees and feel plants
>wanted to take my shoes off but resisted as it was cold and I still felt functional enough to make that decision consciously
>touch a few trees, nothing much
>big London Plane in the park in the way to the stone
>felt drawn to it
>place one hand on
>full on wave of golden light encapsulated me, like it was midday in the middle of summer
>heavy euphoria
>instantly understand not only what that tree is thinking and feeling but everything it had ever experienced all at once
>total symbiosis and memory recall, it's thoughts, it's experiences, it's opinions
>expressing joy at summers and melancholy for a nearby tree that has been heavily pruned
..cont

>>39709722
cont...
>couldn't see any more but could feel so intensely
>felt the wind in my leaves
>I knew where the bugs were on me and which were friendly and which weren't
>strange sense that was sort of like seeing and gearing at the same time
>full synaesthesia of those though
>time was different, I was aware of the whole life of the tree (from sapling not seed) as if it was the present while at the same time knowing what the present was and what was going on
>fucking intense all encompassing euphoria
>take hand off of the tree
>collapse crying next to it
>only thing I can like it to in a word was an epiphany but there's not a word to describe the experience imagine that mixed with a sustained non sexual climax
>calm myself
>afterglow of joy
>walk home
>didn't even go to the stone
>back in bed
>stay up til morning

>be me
>several dmt trips under my belt ready for the breakthrough
>hike up for a big rock formation at midnight
>tell my buddies after to dose me 3 extra times after I can't pull from the pen anymore.
>start hauling from the dmt pen
>after 6 or 7 pulls, I hand the pen to my friends to help me take the last few cruicial doses
>everything goes black
>sit up and a massive shadow is engulfing everything I see. I asked if this was the end
>then its like a laser light show is happening green laser geometric shapes. it was neat and calmed me down
> then I was shown then shiny metallic machine with pink and light green liquids mixing around. Kind of like a slushie machine but with a metal rod coming out the top
>be brought up to a grey cloudy scape
>sitting in meditation now, theres an entity to my left that from its silhouette I believe was the buddha. on my right side an unknown entity
>freak out and break the meditation and stand up
>this pisses off the entities who force me to sit back down by the shoulders sayin "no"
>dmt trip starts from the beginning
>shadows, laser lights, weird machine, cloud scape
>I break the meditation again
>very pissed off entities push me down again
>"Oh theres my friends, thank god the trip is over
>FUCKIN NOOOOPE
>Both my friends are looking at me dead eyed and just say "no" as they put the pen back in my mouth
>shadows,lasers,machine,clouds
>once again I freak out and break the meditation
>trip continues to loop like this for what seems like an eternity
>finally see my friends
>To this day I still think I may be up on the rocks on a DMT trip.

>>39704150
I've been able to see the same hallucination, the only true hallucination I've ever seen, on both psilocybin and lsd. When I say only true hallucination, I mean in the sense that its something that was created by my mind, rather than being a modification of what I'm already seeing, like early AI image generation type vision).

The interesting thing is the hallucination is repeatable, all I need to do is stare at a patterned/textured surface and just focus on the pattern itself, itll start jumping out at you if you relax and stare. If I keep my mental and visual focus on the patter, ill start to see a three dimensional hologram (depth is apparent, moves throughout my vision slowly) which resembles a cerebellum but with transparent fibers. If I continue my focus on it, It'll come closer until I enter it. Once I'm in it, my mental state completely shifts, time loses linearity, the tone of my tinnitus shifts drastically, and it essentially felt like I was operating on a completely different operating system.

What really stuck with me though, is the realization I had, along with thinking over and over "how could i forget?". I'm not gonna mention the specific realization because I don't wanna spoil it for anyone.

feels like im rambling, but maybe someone had a similar experience

>>39709646
It's an inherently foul and unpleasant substance. Anyone who had a good time did so by accident. Do you know that gag reflex you will sometimes get when you think of tequila after a heavy night of drinking tequila? that's how your soul will feel like when you think of salvia after trying it a few times. Your spirit will literally recoil in horror at the thought of it

>>39709857
A friend tried it and said they were brought to a cloud like city and it was her job to direct cloud traffic. I'm all for research into altered states but I won't fuck with salvia.

salvia is based and the anti reddit psychedelic

>>39709912
Got an experience to share?

>>39709919
man. are you okay?

>>39709924
haven't taken it but I like how you can slip into a different dream life
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qc7xAq29J7Y

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>>39709722
If you're interested in oneirogenic substances, there's a different mushroom you need to try

>>39704150
Not paranormal

>>39710146
fuck off. get out.
>>39710130
Now there's a trip report I wanna listen to.

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>in a bad place mentally
>uprooted my life and moved for an opportunity that fell apart
>decide to take 8g of shrooms to try and work through some of it
>no longer had a nice room to trip in, just a cold, unfinished basement with a bed
>planned to lay in the bed and listen to music
>dab some THC rosin as a warmup
>shrooms start kicking in
>unprepared due to weed time dilation
>stumble over to bed
>no longer able to comprehend how headphones work
>lay in bed, lights on, in silence, as reality falls apart
>get lost in a series of neon catwalks and fire escapes
>CEVs are chaotic but not negative
>visual part of the trip ends, mental part starts up
>suicide sounds pretty great at this point
>start having religious delusions and fragments of memories of when I was extremely young
>begin writing on the wall in permanent marker
>scrawl phrases such as "Why am I allowed to exist like this?", "Either I am the Messiah or I have to die", and "Niggers"
>just layed on the concrete floor until the trip was over, crying
Luckily, I had primer and matching paint, so I could paint over the things I wrote before my wife saw. Weeks later I took 2g and had a very similar experience (but I hid the markers from myself that time). I have sworn off psychedelics until I can get a finished room in my basement to be comfy in.

>>39710162
Drug trips aren't paranormal
Looking at funny shapes on the wall isn't paranormal
Your mind going crazy and getting stuck in a timeloop is not paranormal

>>39710162
>Now there's a trip report I wanna listen to.

I have one of those.
>learned to ID the Amanita muscaria variant that grows in my region
>August, sandy soil, pine tree cluster, gathered five medium-sized mushrooms, which is a huge dose
>prepared the mushrooms by acidic decarboxylation, reduced the resulting liquid
>added sugar, tasted like meaty lemonade
>effects began thirty minutes later
>short term memory became effectively zero, couldn't remember getting up to go upstairs to the bathroom, more like I teleported
>stairs were a bad idea to begin with - my limbs would not go where I wanted them to and felt very heavy
>vision dropped to 10 FPS, all movement stuttered
>very little nausea, passed within an hour due to taking the time to decarb fully (highly recommend that step)
>started having OEVs, very different from normal psychedelic visuals
>best way to describe it was a floral kaleidoscope that only appeared in the center of my vision, still at 10 FPS.
>overall, effects are like a less sloppy version of being drunk
But wait, the real shit goes down once you go to sleep
>very sleepy now, drag myself to bed
>dreams begin almost immediately
>exact contents of the dreams are hard to remember but they are longer, more numerous, more vivid and intense, and could easily become lucid
>bits that I can remember include a dream sequence where I lived out an entire lifetime as a bird with an office job, another where I was on a road trip in the desert
>felt quite rested the next day
I have more dehydrated Amanita muscaria in a jar in the basement but again, I really need to get a finished room down there before exploring any more of my shitty psyche

>>39710344
Wow. Thanks for taking the time anon. I've been drying out some of these bad boys and my friend is making honey with his.
Have you had more trips with these since then? I find the dream part fascinating.

“Today a young man on acid realized that all matter is merely energy condensed to a slow vibration, that we are all one consciousness experiencing itself subjectively, there is no such thing as death, life is only a dream, and we are the imagination of ourselves. Here's Tom with the Weather.”

>>39709857
It's foul and unpleasant because you smoked fucking 60× extract, dude, which you're probably aware by now that you had every opportunity in the world to find out in advance was a genuinely insane thing of you to do. Nobody was even smoking the "1×" leaf until Westerners noticed its existence in the late 20th century and started fucking around with it. I would say you're assigning blame to the substance for a problem which was actually caused by our diseased culture's instinct to scientifically maximize the harm-potential of anything we notice we can get high on.

>>39707572
True! I need to meet with my golden teacher again soon desu, it's been too long.
>>39709722
Holy shit what a stack lol. TY for sharing anon, I'm glad you had a happy time
>>39709821
> I'm not gonna mention the specific realization because I don't wanna spoil it for anyone.
I'm not sure you could spoil it, I get the impression it's either a pretty universal one or something really specific. The closest thing I've seen to the cerebellum hallucination you had was when I thought I was seeing the specific part of my brain that made me conscious and self-aware. It was my first time in an altered state and it looked like a bundle of neurons that slowly morphed into a symbol.
>>39710341
the belief that DMT entities etc. are real external beings is pretty common and would make them paranormal Mushrooms are inherently paranormal because they're from the fair folk, etc. Maybe we could steer the thread towards discussing entities? I have a jester story

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>>39710374
I have not. I promised myself I would only use self-foraged mushrooms for Fly Agaric tripping but all the years since I found the first bunch have been extremely dry in the fall when they normally grow.

I have since learned that there are other muscimol-containing mushrooms that grow in my region earlier in the summer, you just have to be extremely careful in IDing them as they look very similar to the single deadliest mushroom around. There are some definitive features and even a chemical test you can do to rule out eating a Destroying Angel but it still makes me a little nervous.

>>39710432
bump'n for jester story

>>39709722
Nice. I've been meditating and dream journaling more often to enhance my oneiromancy. Will buy seeking out some shroom pills next paycheck, my goal for this summer is probably doing DMT for the first time

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>>39710444
checked, this is something I saw on about 2g of some variety of cubes I grew

I'll start with its appearance because it stuck out so vividly. Think like a more emaciated Dagoth Ur but with a head more like a Hindu god, big tongue lolling out of its mouth and its face reminded me of a harlequin mask. It was just staring at me in some black void and couldn't stand still, it would kind of stagger back and forth but without really moving towards me. It usually kept one hand over its head and would sort of bite or suck on its own fingers, and with its other hand it would either gesture, point at me, or hold its side as it laughed at me. It probably sounds malicious from that description but the dynamic it had with me was like a human watching a pet try to do something it can't quite figure out. Affectionate, but what it was seeing was too damn funny to refrain from laughing.
It was laughing beyond what human lungs are capable of (while I was seeing all of this I was mimicking it and was fully conscious of both things happening at the same time) but I apparently caught it in a charitable mood or something because it explained the joke to me, which was basically all of my interpersonal shortcomings. Most of what it told me boiled down to stuff along the lines of "How do you not have any idea how hilarious you are? You don't have to be afraid of so-and-so but you are anyway!" Cue uproarious laughter. In-between saying things like that it'd say things in a sort of singsong like "...and-you-are-good-and-you-are-not..."
After a few hours of this it had me laughing along with it, we seemed to be buddies but I still wasn't at its level but it had imparted what it felt like imparting and the trip receded.

I have no idea if that was my brain or something external to me or what, but it didn't feel the same as an imaginary conversation where you're the one generating both halves of it.

>>39709722
>moon is intense light I could feel on my skin. Cooling. Like the anti sun
Always wondered what that's about. I once lived in what was essentially an abnormally spacious, glorified toolshed. The window faced south, and had no curtains/blinds or anything even attempting to be a proper seal — basically just some old dirty glass set into a wood frame that you would lift by hand and prop up with something if you wanted to get fresh air, which had no problem getting in anyway through the wide gaps between the frame and the walls and a broken-out pane in the glass. I ended up noticing what you're talking about with the moonlight early into my stay there, and eventually started spending an enormous percentage of my free time just lying around with everything turned off "moonbathing". It's definitely its own unique qualia that can't quite be compared to anything else. Sort of gets you high without even needing to take drugs, especially in the days close to the full moon. I've never been able to get the feeling again from within the walls of a "proper home". I'm guessing this was a totally normal experience for most of our ancestors, and after it became normal for me, I now find it weird and kind of sad that most people alive today (at least in the United States) would probably smugly deny that getting "high on moonlight" is a thing you can do.

Bump. This has been a suspiciously good thread, not really in the mood to see it archive overnight.

>>39710400
I was exploring advanced states of consciousness while you were still a sketch in your mama's dream book, my boy. You're speaking with a total lack of perspective. People who seek breakthrough experiences are not typically enjoying something in the responsible way. When people talk about buying the ticket and taking the ride, we aren't speaking of a casual half gram mushroom trip while you take a walk in the woods, dude. No one is going to give a flying fuck about a story in which you chew some salvia leaf while you go about your day's regular business.

I'm speaking in terms of breakthroughs. Have you ever sought one out? they're almost always uncomfortable, especially when it's your first time taking a lot of a substance you aren't familiar with.My point is that, even when compared to taking a heroic dose of mushrooms or acid, salvia is UNCOMFORTABLE because it is SUDDEN and INTENSE while lacking the EUPHORIA that is typical of the state when on comparable substances.

>>39711789
I am in my late thirties and have smoked high-end salvia extract on nineteen occasions. I did it over and over until I was 100% positive that I had no chance of coming back again, did it once more, then tried downgrading to smoking the normal leaf and found that the reverse-tolerance had gotten so extreme that it was close to the level of intensity of 20×–25× was when I first started. Quidding actually turns out to be the obviously superior way of going about it once your sensitivity is on that level, probably the best drug for more "practical shamanry" I have ever personally experienced.

I say that just to give context to my perspective, not to play along with your silly chest-puffing contest about who's proved they're more of a badass by taking the most too-much-drugs, and therefore self-evidently must have the more legitimate point of view by default. My point was that you YOLO'd a redundantly excessive dose of a drug known for making DMT look manageable by comparison. The "problem" you had wasn't salvia, it was choices you made knowing full well they would lead to just the sort of unpleasant outcome for you that they did. Doesn't make much sense to pin that on the nature of the drug, wouldn't you say?

That's how I read your post, at any rate. If your point was more to give a "these ain't your grandma's hallucinogens" warning to people unfamiliar with it, then that's fair enough, just didn't come off that way to me.

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Took two tabs of 1PLSD few years back and reality just shattered, went to my buddies college( I was a HS senior at the time) something about it being a completely unfamiliar area where nothing really mattered or affected me made it ten times better. Bad Snow storm outside, walking through it with my buddy and his roommate who popped some like an hour after we did. All of the sudden GTA V style load out of my ‘character’ and load into his roommate. Trippiest part about all of it was that my buddy looked at me and goes “Oh what so you’re just (roomies name) now?” Still can’t explain it and my brain breaks trying to think about it lmao

Pic related, buddies nickname was shroomdog lol.

>>39711881
I came into the thread when it didn't have many responses and shared a silly story about the first time I took too much of a substance and the resultant experience. You're the one who came in here, speaking contemptuously to me about how irresponsible it was, which is something I am (and was) already aware of. I suspect that you had good intentions and were trying to educate me but I'm petty and the way you decided to approach me as though I was ignorant pissed me off.

>If your point was more to give a "these ain't your grandma's hallucinogens" warning to people unfamiliar with it

thank you for having a little humility, I don't give a fuck about if you are a more or less experienced psychonaut than I am as long as you are using that wisdom to share your wisdom or contribute interesting stories to the discussion instead of getting into a dick measuring contest

>>39710640
I've got lots of questions about the moon and I don't think the explanations we have currently are good enough or thorough enough.
The light is very strange and definitely has a unique effect of it's own.
>>39710130
Amanitas are really useful for oneiromanipulation and I love the relative ease of finding them. The prep is a little bit involved but it's a nice process.
My only trouble with them is how much they make me need to piss, might be me but I find that disturbs my sleep cycle. Hard to recall after amanita too I always think. A strong mugwort tea is the best natural option for dream intensity and lucidity imo, so cheap as well if you're not great at foraging. You can also control your dosing with brew time.
>>39710488
I don't know if DMT is the one if you're really focusing on that. If you wanted something that'll really blow your socks off and make your dreams VERY intense then try to get hold of some galantamine. It's a medication for Alzheimer's. I'm pretty experienced with altering my dreamscape but 8mg of that an hour before bed was wild. Very very intense lucid dreaming.

>>39711906
Sorry it came off as contemptuous, it wasn't my intention. It's 2020s /x/, though, so a baseline presumption of negative intent in a (You)-giver is somewhat understandable. It's a mindset that's probably near the root of why the board is in the sorry shape it's in, yet unfortunately simultaneous accurate in a majority of cases.

>I suspect that you had good intentions and were trying to educate me
Actually, educating you and/or admonishing you for the YOLO wasn't my goal either. Knowing nothing about you aside from what you'd posted in this thread, when I first replied, I took your post as being dismissive toward the value of a drug that has a cherished place in my own personal history based on one avoidable negative experience of your own. I basically just felt triggered enough by that to white-knight it with a statement to the effect of, "Whoa, back off, man, salvia had nothing to do with that!"

>>39711935
I never meant to imply that it was useless, but when it's abused (like it was in the story I initially told) it's the only substance I've encountered that felt like the spirit of the drug "punished" or "cursed" me. I didn't even have a concept of such a thing until it had happened to me several times. It's almost as if Salvia takes a personal affront to being used as a cheap chemical thrill. It's a very strange and personal feeling, which is all that I meant when I said that it was inherently foul and unpleasant.

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>>39711948
>I never meant to imply that it was useless
Yeah, I get that now, sorry for the misunderstanding, although we managed to clear it up pretty quickly and amicably by the standards of this place. I probably just met too many people in my younger days who preached psychonautics, then did a one-and-done on salvia at some point and told everyone it's no good. Which, given that headshops were insidiously marketing it as "legal weed" when I was a teen, is probably a sentiment I could have been more empathetic toward, but I fell into the camp that said anyone can go on Erowid for thirty minutes and get an idea of what they're in for if they gave 1/10 of a shit, and generally saw it as mostly their own fault if they bit off more than they could chew. The echoes of that attitude probably resurfaced more than a bit in my earlier posts.

>but when it's abused (like it was in the story I initially told) it's the only substance I've encountered that felt like the spirit of the drug "punished" or "cursed" me. I didn't even have a concept of such a thing until it had happened to me several times. It's almost as if Salvia takes a personal affront to being used as a cheap chemical thrill. It's a very strange and personal feeling, which is all that I meant when I said that it was inherently foul and unpleasant.
ONE HUNDRED PERCENT agree with this, and find it interesting to see this idea independently validated by someone else after all time this. It definitely has a "fuck around and find out" attitude to people who it feels misuse it. At a certain point, I ended up concluding that smoking = misuse in virtually all cases. I tripsat a total of two "positive" extract-smoking experiences, and can't say I ever experienced one myself. And one of those two legit might have just been too low IQ to be afraid.

Quidding is a whole different experience once you become sensitive enough that it actually does something more extreme than a cup of coffee would. I could never really get others to try it that way to compare experiences, so based solely on my own, you interact pretty explicity with the female entity I assume they call "Ska Maria Pastora" every single time you do it for the entire duration of the experience. Even if you're not paying much attention to her, that sense that she's there in the room with you engaged with whatever you're doing never leaves you. It's basically ninety minutes to three hours of chilling with her while she patiently gives you some tips and tricks on whatever you're focused on. Actually, the non-stupid guy I tripsat who had a "positive" smoking experience described her as hanging out with him the entire time, too. I never once encountered her while smoking.

>>39711948 >>39712009
Anyway, I'm long overdue to head to sleep at this point. Would be happy to keep talking salvia (and whatever other hallucinogens) tomorrow if the thread survives and we both make it back in.

>>39704150
>5-MeO-DMT

>Smoke some in living room
>Starts to become overpowering
>Run to bed and lay down
>Start having OBE
>Leaving my body looking down on myself
>See spiral of faces of people from my life
>Grandmother who passed away comforts me
>I believe I am now dead and am in some kind of afterlife
>Everything turns white
>Total ego loss
>Just bright whiteness and hearing a tone, but there is no more "me"
>This fades after what seems like a long time
>Laying in bed

I guess I had a OBE and NDE on the same trip. No entities, nothing fun or colorful, not what I would call recreational. Very overwhelming.

>be me at 15
>take high strength 2c-b (supposedly) which was given to me by a friend of a friend as a blank capsule with white powder inside it
>take it in a small tent with other homies
>they let me be in charge of the music because i have weird taste, set off a playlist of some avant garde shit
>starts kicking in seriously, wasnt like any other 2cb trip i had, felt laced
>kept feeling like there was a black and white strobe effect over everything
>tried asking people if theres a torch or a fucking lamp doing that
>their responses sounded completely alien and demonic to me
>start feeling like i'm stuck in an infinite tent with these demon hybrid humans trying to analyse my brain
>its peaking

>Now Playing: Terry RIley - Poppy Nogood and the Phantom Band
https://youtu.be/TsvzYH_PtKU

>every time i look at my phone i see his face on the album cover with that shit eating grin staring at me
>i look around and the tent is covered in various disgusting shit like twigs, leaves, dirt, clothes, food, these people have turned into pigs
>close my eyes and begin to hallucinate that I'm sat in a graveyard
>move outside of my own body and shoot myself in the head, loud pop reverberating
>only saw strange bizarre light patterns moving around after that
>was completely dissociating from reality, forgot i had to be real IRL for a moment

>return to reality but still feel trippy after that
>these retarded blonde bitches were invited by someone
>they have pizza
>took a slice of pizza, took a bite without looking at it, tastes like human flesh
>look at the pizza and i swear i saw bugs crawling across it
>nope.webp

>tried sleeping it off
>walked back home, took a shower, felt like the shower was cleansing my soul
>had a dream where Jesus brought me down to hell and showed me the screaming souls burning in agony down there
>became a christian after that, and have been for the past 7 years

>>39704177
At least kne of the mushrooms is alive and the human language you speak matters.

>>39709801
>"ready for the breakthrough"
>resists the breakthrough at all costs

>>39712030
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gZNX87vd-fc

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>>39707572
This singularity is fucking wild
I still have to make up stories about how other people actually exist it’s just um complicated :p

>>39712398
The most important part to achieving ascension is giving up desire. A lot of people will ask, 'what's the point of being all-powerful if you have no desire'? not realizing that desire is literally what chains us to the mortal world. Godhood isn't an all-you-want fantasy, it's becoming the most powerful and pure state imaginable, or merging with the 'all', the net of being. Weak human concepts like desire are absolute incinerated by this

>>39712030
>5-MeO-DMT
Visuals are very lacking or non-existent, don't expect to see much of anything or have entity contact, it just causes extreme ego detachment with not much else.

>>39704150
4-ho-met is scary hard to dose. A few mg's too much and you're in space. It's cool how visual it is though.

>>39704150
Lol why does the "middle"/almost infinite part of that painting turn green then yellow? Is it signifying leaving a cave and going into a forest?

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>>39712475
I think it’s less about desire more about attachment yes reality is birthed from desire but reality is consciousness experiencing itself without it there would be nothing and what did ain soph aur the triangle say to ain the circle
You’re pointless
The secret I’ve learned is when you lose attachment to your words aka thoughts reality becomes them
This is the hidden name of god that can’t be spoken as speaking it takes from it
Pure silence the nothing that is everything reality being the everything that is nothing you being made of both and in between
https://youtu.be/oetc0DiJwHI
Bonus
https://youtu.be/QZ5XaWQ0cE8
https://youtu.be/iiDqtDUxahc

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>>39712564
>reality is birthed from desire
Personally I disagree, reality is a homogenous mixture of all things both possible and impossible, reality isn't 'birthed' from anything. Desire exists contextually in certain areas. Remember we are limited to our understanding of reality from our own knowledge that is referential to our senses, we can't even comprehend 0.000...1 % of what's actually going on, trying to project our own beliefs to describe reality around is is a fairly pointless effort outside of a very limited scope.

However, the ability to 'experience' or feel qualia is the most true thing that exists, or the only thing you can personally prove to be real. We cannot be sure anything we know is true, only what we feel can be considered an 'ultimate truth' or 'ultimate reality'. To us, nothing would exist without it. I think of it as a ying and a yang, a material world that is just spinning cogs that doesn't really 'exist', and the higher qualia or spirit dimension that reflects this into itself like a mirror, experiencing creation. The material world is also reliant on the spirit world to be observed, allowing it to change or the waveform to collapse. It's a dualistic state between God and his own creation that perpetuates to infinity. Our eyes and ears are just the microphone and camera for God to peek through.

>The secret I’ve learned is when you lose attachment to your words aka thoughts reality becomes them
I often describe it as looking at your own mind and its contents from a second perspective, or 'becoming the observer to ourselves', this made me realize that the self was not 'I', it was simply information coded in my brain being observed or experienced. Our brains trick us into thinking we are flesh when reality we are just a higher form thats only purpose is to feel. Memories, thoughts, beliefs all inherently dumb down our ability to feel by trapping it within the limited space of a brain that also tricks us with the illusion of separation.

>>39710399
today a young man on reddit became a faggot

>>39712768
midwit

>>39712768
>Memories, thoughts, beliefs all inherently dumb down our ability to feel

it's more like looking at reality through various lenses, only some are more opaque than others

solipsism is true basically

>>39712768
I didn’t actually mean birthed by birth
Sure we can only know ourselfs but by knowing ourselfs we can know our reality and better control it as it is us
>we are just a higher form thats only purpose is to feel. Memories, thoughts, beliefs all inherently dumb down our ability to feel by trapping it within the limited space of a brain that also tricks us with the illusion of separation.
Yah this is how Shin Becomes Mem look into the works of Chabad
They call the illusion of seperation the sin of seperation
https://www.chabad.org/kabbalah/article_cdo/aid/380400/jewish/4-Who-Entered-the-Orchard.htm

>>39710341
Are dreams paranormal? Is psychosis paranormal? Is meditating until you feel connected with the universe paranormal?

Sure, these things may all just have materialist explanations, but it doesn't stop them from being relevant to the experience of the paranormal and to spirituality.


Also, I know this can't be answered, but I wish I knew how to access psychedelics.

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>>39713365
Interesting read, thanks anon. Gonna be smoking some changa and salvia tonight, will post report back here later

>>39713382
Exactly, 'feeling' connected to the universe is identical to actually being connected to the universe, hallucinations are real, psychotic beliefs are real, the only thing the word 'real' applies to is the person experiencing it. These were all things created by reality for you to experience, no?

>>39709411
I had that weird g force thing, too. I am hyper-sensitive to anything psychedelic, l i t e r a l l y only took the tiniest amount of leaves possible on my tongue and immediately felt kind of an energy going through me, making me twitch even.

>>39711789
This is the most normie gay post I have ever red on this site.

>>39712564
This.

>dude bro woah i saw weird shapes trippy bro
>join my cult
psychedelics are reddit

>>39709857
I've had 2 "good" experiences on salvia and several just very strange experiences, but nothing inherently terrifying (I can't say the same for lsd or mushrooms). Incidentally one of the good trips I had on salvia I was on 2 hits of acid. Lots of laughter was had, and i had a somehwat OBE. Both "good" experiences were in the forest/mountains with close friends. Anyways, I haven't touched the shit for years and have no intention on doing it again, but I don't think it's inherently bad like other anons do.

>>39714359
Your parents will never be together

>>39714359
i dont understand this take

psychedelics are something within our reality that completely distorts our reality and turns it into something incomprehensible temporarily

if you dont think thats interesting idk what to say to you, do you even have a brain

>>39713519
To be pedantic, salvia is not a psychedelic, it acts on completely different receptors. It is more or less in a class by itself.

>just starting out with psychedelics
>want to try them out in nature
>drive to midpoint of a trail about an hour from my house (in central Wisconsin) at 6 a.m., taking one tab of acid 15 minutes before getting there
>pack up and head out just as effects begin, good timing
>the trees are shimmering, the sun's warmth is enveloping, and feel really good
>except for the annoying-ass bugs
>start to run low on water, head back to the car to refill
>back at car around 11 a.m.
>still very much in the middle of the trip, not going to be able to drive, decide to refill water and head the opposite way on the trail
>put backpack in trunk, close lid, try open back door of car
>car door won't open, must have forgotten to completely unlock the car
>go to grab backpack with key in it from the trunk
>trunk is locked?
>slowly realize I have locked myself out of my car while on LSD, without water, and far from any cell reception (I had my phone)
>walk around for 30 minutes to try and get bars, wasn't happening
>nearest town is three miles away
>welp, better get going

>walking along the county highway, starting to feel the dehydration
>the warm sun is now starting to seem more like an oven
>a local old guy sitting on his porch spots me
>starts walking towards me
>oh shit oh fuck
>greets me and starts talking about arrowheads
>Gramps is completely shitfaced drunk at 1 p.m. on a Thursday
>I nod and attempt conversation about the Indian ridge trail behind his house
>anyone else would have immediately clocked that I was on something, I was extremely lucky to have encountered a friendly geriatric alcoholic
>eventually continue walking
continued

>>39715847
>starting to get to the outskirts of town around 3 p.m.
>notice a house that has a Senran Kagura blanket, tits barely censored, hanging in their window, what the hell
>trip is starting to wear off but delirium from dehydration is beginning to take hold, prolonging my abnormal mental state
>get to a local burger shop, order two glasses of water and a burger
>slam the waters, scarf the burger
>best goddamn burger I've ever had
>but still no cell reception
>not a big deal now, one final walk to the local library to use their wi-fi
>finally able to call AAA and get an unlock
>explain the situation (minus the LSD usage), tell them my current location and that I will need a ride to my car which I can only give coordinates for
>surprisingly they are okay with this request, dispatch a tow truck to me
>But it will be two hours before someone can get to me
>no other option than to sit and wait in the library
continued

>>39715979
>read a book about Frank Lloyd Wright
>absolute dickhead but made some great buildings
>tow truck arrives
>the driver and my savior is a twenty-something skinny blonde girl
>immediately feel far worse that this is who I have to explain that she has to take me in her truck to the middle of the woods at dusk
>if the alarm bells in her head are going off, she doesn't show it, I get in her truck and head to my car
>the three-hour walk I just took takes 15 minutes by car, briefly reflect on that but no knowledge was gained
>get to my car
>I am either still feeling mild effects from the LSD or the dehydration, not sure which, but I make sure to stand far away from this girl while she unlocks my car in 5 minutes
>tip her all the cash I had on me, she drives away, I get in my car
>the time is now 7:30 p.m.
>had planned to attend an event in Milwaukee, another 45 minutes in the opposite direction from my house, but the event started at 5 p.m.
>fuck it, drive there anyway
>get there at 8:30
>demonstrations and talks are long over but there is tons of free food still
>gorge myself as a consolation prize
>not yet tired of walking for the day, decide to check out the city a little bit
>ride the brand-new street cars around the local college campus for a bit
>10 p.m., call it a night, get in car to drive home
continued

>>39716023
>begin self-reflection on all the dogshit, pants-on-head retarded decisions I made that day
>realize how close I came to either ending up in the hospital from dehydration and/or in jail for public intoxication on LSD
>the trail was remote but fairly well-traveled, I could have just gotten help from someone
>I had a spare key, but it was in my backpack, along with my regular set of keys
>I could see cell to towers in the distance while on the trail, I absolutely could have just turned on roaming to get a cell signal
>the tow truck lady got my car unlocked in 5 minutes, I could have done that if I had the tool in my backpack
>the worst decision ended up being the amount of food I ate at the event, feeling over-full on top of the LSD afterglow and lingering dehydration while trying to fall asleep that night sucked
>get up the next day
>go to work like nothing happened
Thanks for reading

Moral of the story is you should experience nature on psychedelics, but plan ahead for every contingency you might bring upon yourself while loopy on Lucy. I have only taken LSD within the safety of my home from then on.

why is everything a lesson with you faggots? i dont remember paying for a sermon. shut the fuck up

>>39712129
But a Christian that takes drugs I suppose?
>>39715847
>>39715979
>>39716094
Nice story. Thats why gardens are the best

>>39716345
Idk what you're talking about

I said in the story that I became christian after that experience

Reading other people's trip stories is even more boring than reading other people's dreams.

Can someone tell me where I went wrong with my salvia tea?
>Measured a little over 3 grams of dry leaf
>Rehydrated for 5 minutes
>Crushed them just slightly with a mortar and pestle
>Threw them into about 12 ounces of simmering water for 12 minutes
>Poured into a 10 oz mug
>Stuck it in the fridge because I wasn't ready to drink it yet
>Have already taken 3 gulps, letting each one swish around my mouth for 10 minutes before swallowing
It tastes pretty strong but I don't feel shit. I still have about half my cup so I'm going to keep drinking and swishing but I read that even just one swish would be enough to feel it and that I probably wouldn't even finish the cup. The only thing I can think is that maybe my water wasn't hot enough or I beat it too much with the mortar and pestle

>>39717069
Because they are personalized for each person
It's why you aren't supposed to share your spiritual experiences with people, because other people will suck all the meaning out of it

>>39717695
Salvinorin A is not water-soluble. Not sure who would possibly have given you the idea that there's much point to making tea out of it, but there's not. The molecules are still in there, so it will get you mildly high sometimes (obviously this depends heavily on the reverse tolerance of the drinker as well), but I doubt there's a reliable way to prepare that guarantees that outcome.

>>39717723
https://m.psychonautwiki.org/wiki/Salvinorin_A
>A tea can be made by crushing 3–4 g of dried leaves and boiling them for 5 minutes. Afterwards, let it simmer for around 15 minutes. Salvinorin A is not orally active, so the tea has to be kept in the mouth for around 15–20 seconds for each sip. This tea, if properly brewed and ingested, can produce a trance-like state when closing the eyes and up to an entire night of vivid and intense dreams along with occasional closed eye visuals.
Upon second read maybe I wasnt supposed to rehydrate them

>>39717767
Also I'm reading quite a lot of contradictory information about how to brew it
Some guides say to NOT let the water boil or it will be ruined, and some guides say it needs to be held in the mouth from 20 seconds to 15 minutes

>>39717779
Again, the psychoactive component of salvia is not water-soluble. I'm not saying you CAN'T get high from salvia tea (I have done so myself), I'm just saying it's kind of a ridiculous thing to attempt and it's unlikely to go well most of the time. If you're finding this many contradictory "correct" ways of making it, that's probably you are reading the results of random people uploading whatever method happened by dumb luck to work once or twice for them. Because salvinorin A is *not water-soluble*, it's not even technically correct to call the concoctions which would result from of any of these methods a "tea". I don't see how there would be a way to do this that guarantees results, as any approach you take can be easuky undermined by the fact that there just might not be any psychoactive chemicals in a given mouthful of plant-y water you imbibe.

>>39717815
Ok well I'll just ask you this
Does the juice NEED to be under my tongue or is it ok to keep it in my gums? Because I have a comically tiny mouth and keeping it under my tongue hurts

>>39717831
That I can't claim to know from experience, but I don't see any possible reason why it wouldn't, just with a bit of diminished efficacy compared to doing it sublingually. If you want to see how that goes, you'd be better serbed holding the leaves themselves up there for a couple of hours rather than trying to get blood from a stone with these tea recipes.

For whatever it's worth to you, the one time I got high off of salvia tea, all I did was boil some leaves in an open pot on the stove until the water kind of looked like it had the same degree of color-saturation as camellia tea, then drank the resulting liquid just like it was any regular-ass tea. But my friend who shared it with me that night (who if anything should have had much greater reverse-tolerance than me at the time) didn't feel a thing. The reason being that I just lucked out and happened to get some stray salvinorin A molecules in the cup I poured for myself, while he did not. Point being, it doesn't matter what you do, salvia tea isn't going to work the vast majority of the time, and when it does, it has more do to with luck than anything else.

Also, not sure what your background with salvia is up to this point, but if you haven't already used it quite a bit and upped your sensitivity, even a lucky batch of tea that would get me high almost certainly won't do anything for you. There is a level of salvia-noobishness at which it's probably literally impossible to get high off of tea no matter what.

>>39717831
NTA but again, salvinorin A is not water soluble. Making a tea with the leaves or extract is does not cause the chemical to move from the leaf to the water, so if you are using that water to try to get high, it won't work. "Quidding" the leaves works. Smoking the extract works. Holding extract in your gums like chaw might work.

>>39717910
>>39717924
Thanks for the advice. I'm rehydrating some leaves now. How long do I hold them in my mouth?

>>39717951
Ninety minutes ought to be a sure thing. If you're sensitive enough to get high off of quidding, you'll definitely have noticed by then. Although I don't enough to say if any of the weird stuff you've been doing to them trying to follow these online tea-brewing instructions might have ruined the leaves you have, so if nothing happens, keep that possibility in mind I guess.

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>>39704177
Jeremy Bentham was right about everything and solved morality

>>39717966
I threw those away, I have like 40 grams left
I'm not a psycho why would I reuse that shit
An hour seems excessive

>>39711789
While you were still learning to spell your name, I was being trained to conquer galaxies.

>>39717979
>An hour seems excessive
Do as you like with what you've got, but an hour is probably the absolute minimum that's even worth the bother in my experience. Not sure what you find excessive about it. If it's just that you need a smartphone-attention span-friendly high, then consider smoking the stuff like most in our culture do.

>>39718000
Highly based. Only line and scene from that movie I've remembered after all these years.

>>39718003
Most guides I read say 20 minutes

>>39718021
Again, do as you like. The nice thing about it is you'll just know when you're high, so it's not like trying to make a tea or DIY extract where you actually *can* fuck up and not know it until it's too late. I'm saying that if you haven't noticed anything by the ninety minute mark, it's definitely time to give up.

Less than an hour still strikes me as an odd recommendation. Is it saying that you can notice *the onset of effects* at twenty minutes? That would make a bit more sense, but that doesn't necessarily mean it's time to spit them out at that point.

>>39718036
I read that it should be chewed in small batches for 20 minute intervals until the desired effects are achieved

>>39718041
Nothing wrong with trying it that way if you want to, it's entirely possible that whoever wrote what you read has experimented more than I have with different approaches to quidding and devised an optimal method. All I'd say about my own recommendation as opposed to that one is that, IF you are pretty new to salvia, trying it for ninety minutes and having absolutely nothing happen at all would be useful information, as it would tell you that your reverse tolerance is so low that it's probably going to be very wasteful of your supply trying to get high off of quidding at this point.

>>39717695
>>39717723
You are supposed to add sugar then after letting sit for 15ish minutes give or take let it sit in your mouth in sips. Oral consumption won't work.

>>39718470
Interesting. What does the sugar do to make up for salvinorin A's insolubility?

>>39704150
Each one of those faces is a synapse in your brain. They each have their own personality, and have entire universes inside of them.
You were meeting your inner self.

>>39718470
What do you mean add sugar? Like to the simmering water? Or just let it soak?
>>39718522
I've heard of lime juice but it was another one of those random hearsay things. It said lowering the pH level of the water would draw more of the stuff out idk

>>39718522
Absolutely nothing. Since you cannot consume it orally and have to do it sublingually you have to leave it in your mouth and it is fucking gross. The leaves, leaves behind a water soluble gunk when you boil them and silvarin A is left behind in this stuff when you do it right even if you just stumbled on the right technique by chance. Anyone who wants to take that stuff without some honey or something is an idiot for not evaporating the water and smoking it after removing the leaves. Still mild and practically does nothing but compared to the sheer mind rape that makes people scared of salvia, it is not bad to have time just fly.

Apparently salvia is alcohol soluble so you can have a bit of 80 proof liquor in your mouth to help extract it. It actually sounds like it would help hide the taste too. Some bourbon with the bitter salvia might go together ok

>>39718830
I'm the guy who earlier had said he managed to get high off the tea by dumb luck just once, and will definitely cosign your description of what it's like. The intensity is about on the level of what you'd get by drinking a single beer if you don't drink regularly.

The sugar's just to mask the taste then, huh? That's what I was really hoping you *weren't* going to say, but oh well. I agree it's disgusting (and assume there's no one who wouldn't), but I think calea tea shifted the threshold of my gag reflex so dramatically that I really didn't have a problem just drinking salvia tea straight. Not that I'd bother with it again when quidding is easier and actually effective; we basically just tried it that time because we were both really into salvia and thought it would be amusing to suffer through the ordeal of what we'd heard was its nightmarish flavor, without any expectations of actually becoming intoxicated.

>>39718853
You will drink ze tea and you will be happy

>>39718853
>>39718830
Just concentrate it and smoke it like normal people or go full native and quid the leaves, goddamn

>>39713422
Changa is jokes.
Maddest experience in 10 mins then an afterglow body high like you've had opium.

>>39720346
Smoking salvia is the reason people have bad experiences
It's too intense

>>39704670
how would one go about doing third eye chakra shit as you mentioned?

>>39721740
NTA
The basic bitch answer is meditation.
The good answer is that you need to familiarize yourself with your cultures religious and philosophical traditions so that you can make sense of the symbols you come across on your journey. That's putting it simply. If it sounds like "work" it's supposed to. Only few go down this path. If it sounds "crazy", again, it's supposed to.
Carl Jung resisted psychedelics because he said the same results could be achieved with instinct, dreams and active imagination. He was probably right but he was also probably being a bit too much of a boomer about it. Psychedelics give the user "unearned wisdom" and the more wisdom you're given, the more you will be expected to live it out. Very very very hard for people who don't know themselves.

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I ate 10, 7, 5 etc.. g of shrooms and visuals have always been meh and pretty similar each time
but this one time i took only 3 grams, smoked some hash with a bong and did a little line of ketamine.
the visuals were nothing like ive ever experienced, very intense almost dmt like, saw what appeared to be two entities: first a sort of green orb living in a forest with waterfalls, second a sphere with jester faces.
this trip although much more intense was also much shorter than usual for some reason.
8/10 would love to experience something similar again.

>>39721839
Is using a car to get to places unearned traveling? Shut up fag.

>>39721975
If you're trying to exercise, yes

>>39722001
Go outside and protest cars. I hope someone runs you over. Dumb yappy bitch.

>>39722022
If what I said doesn't apply to you and your goals then feel free to ignore it
No need to see it as a personal attack

>>39722046
Women shouldn't be allowed to post here. You don't meet the IQ threshold for normal discussion. Bitching is not discussing.

>>39722079
>Bitching is not discussing.
You just told me to shut up and get hit by a car

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>>39708496
I second this. Last time I did 50mg which was marked as a "beyond Heavy" dose on the label and I would describe it as medium. Gonna go higher next time. Also, Metocin is soo good...

>>39722235
i know you're a metocin enjoyer cuz you posted that gif

every single time ive taken that shit its like i can drink rainbows through my eyes, its fucking insanely delicious

>>39722235
>>39722423
Are you people mental 5 year olds who ingest these substances to look through the equivalent of a kaleidoscope toy

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>>39722423
Actually, I barely get any visuals on psychedelics for some reason. I like Metocin mostly because of these wierd occasional "brain zaps", that feel like I'm getting synchronized with some higher power. And for the smooth feeling of smoothness...

>>39722518
See above. Not sure if that's better. But even if I did take it for the visuals:
> the aesthetic experience confuses the hylic

>>39709857
I've tried salvia a few times and basically every experience felt like falling backwards in an endless somersault while my "vision" was completely subsumed by kaleidoscopic fractal patterns. It wasn't exactly fun but I wouldn't say I hated it either. It was scary to me back then because I tried it when I was in my teens.

>>39710399
I don't even care if you're being sarcastic, because that is literally the experience I had the last time I took acid. Any time I wasn't directly engaged in some sort of activity, I felt time it self stop, and if I sat there long enough I felt the boundaries of my on physicality start to waver. It was really quite something.

>>39722518
uh yeah

and whats the problem with that

>>39722079
>>39722087
rekt

>>39720977
That's because they go too hard too fast.
I started with 20x extract, and after a few years I started using 40x.
It's good if you just do a small dose at a time.

>>39704150
I took a large dose of 4-aco-dmt + MAOI in hope to help with my smoking addiction.
Instead my inner self told me during the trip that smoking is fine and I should not take life too seriously.

>>39725822
Try vaping, I quit smoking completely after it, its far more convenient since you can do it indoors and most people dont care, also the flavours are much nicer and most have higher nic content than ciggs

>>39717069
Reading other people's dreams is more interesting to be honest.