I am extremely interested in the entire idea, but i have no clue how I could convert. Any advice, /x/?
>>40985809Gnosis is the conversion. Find Christ in your heart.
>>40985809Read: https://archive.org/details/the-forbidden-religionRead the Nag Hammadi texts, but remember that they were written by Jews. Reject religion and seek union with the divine spark, Spirit. Inner truth , whatever you want to call it. Practice lucid dreaming.
>reject reality>embrace living in some astral world 24/7 365 nonstopi met a kid like this sometime. i dont know powerful the entities posessing him were, but they put him inside an elaborate dreamscape he would enter every night, and to him, that was reality.gnosticism is failed christianity. honestly as with any theory, you have to look at the rebuttals. look at Irenaeus, Tertullian and Hippolytus' writings. The catholic church itself is pretty simple. Jesus gave peter the keys to forgive sins or hold them against people, and whatever authority he enacted on earth it was blessed by heaven (supernatural authority over creation); he started the church, and for about mid 2nd century gnosticism began to be a problem for the catholics; leading bishops like Irenaeus of Smyrna (one of the seven churches of Revelation that Jesus was pleased with btw) wrote a book On Heresies listing every single gnostic heresy and fan fiction books (95% of nag hammadi)I know even Tertullian was able to get one the author of the gospel of Nicodemus (or I think it was Peter) to admit it was all fan fiction, and the author was even a priest himself; immediately fired. (the real Peter started the church tradition of laying of hands to make an Aaronic priest, otherwise nobody can make themselves their own priest, and that dogma actually continues today)Gnosticism is a dangerous heresy that disconnects you from others, the 2nd greatest commandment given to men by Jesus (that even the ORIGINAL GNOSTIC MARCION RECOGNIZED) would be "love your neighbor with all your heart soul and mind" of course the 1st being towards God. There is no "converting" to gnosticism, theres only joining a bunch of wandering tramps predisposed to orgies, and degeneracy you'd find in the depths of LGBT discord tranny group chats celebrating the recent shooting of the catholic church. Beware. The orgies are not attended by anyone remotely beautiful. Enjoy having the life sucked out of you following gnostics.
>>40987869Gnosticism is only about truth, not truth as limited by a warped jewish mind virus known as christianity. Only stupid or purposely disingenuous christ kikes with an ideological axe to grind insist on gnosticism being interpreted through the lense of christianity.
>>40988142Where are you getting this idea from? Jewish-Christians literally started Gnosticism and it was all centered around Christ.
>>40985809You cant unless you are.I'm not sure which part of "the serpent had children and these are the gnostics" eludes /x/...
>>40988734Wow, you are retarded.
>>40987869Matthew 22:34-3934 Hearing that Jesus had silenced the Sadducees, the Pharisees got together. 35 One of them, an expert in the law, tested him with this question: 36 “Teacher, which is the greatest commandment in the Law?”37 Jesus replied: “‘Love the Lord your God with all your heart and with all your soul and with all your mind.’[a] 38 This is the first and greatest commandment. 39 And the second is like it: ‘Love your neighbor as yourself'.>love your neighbor with all your heart soul and mindyou're wrong, anon
>>40988800Nope. You are ignorant.
>>40988854Matthew 7:12, which states, "Do to others as you would have them do to you, for this is the Law and the Prophets".Suppose I am lucid dreaming all day too busy to hear my neighbor next door screaming in pain in a housefire. What then?
>>40988905>but what aboutAnon, you've been shown the quote proving you're wrong, that's all.
>>40987869This is JIDF well poisoning
>>40989189>>40988901
>>40987869>ORIGINAL GNOSTIC MARCION1. There were Gnostics before Marcion, since Irenaeus himself saw Marcion as the successor to a Gnostic named Cerdo who was supposedly a Simonian, one of many. And Marcion lived alongside the Gnostic Valentinus who traced his lineage through someone named Theudas to the apostle Paul.2. Marcion arguably wasn't a Gnostic at all, since his teaching was lacking the critical "gnosis" part, among other details.>Marcion himself should not be thought of as a Gnostic; he held that there were only two gods, not many; he did not think of this world as a cosmic disaster, but as the creation of the Old Testament God; and he did not think divine sparks resided in human bodies that could be set free by understanding the true 'gnosis.'(From Marcion's wiki article, quoting Ehrman)
Gnosis chads trying to find gnosis on 4demiurge.org a well known hylic site with constant attacks to anything true
>>40985998They weren’t written by jews.>>40987869Completely wrong. Modern Christianity is just a corrupted and inverted offshoot of Gnosticism.>>40988734Jews had nothing to do with Gnosticism, they inverted it and turned it into modern Christianity (which is a Satanic religion like Judaism and Islam).>>40988800He could just be a shill since Gnosticism is what scares jews more than anything else on Earth.>>40989189Shills are terrified at the thought of more people discovering Gnosticism and the truth, they come into every Gnostic thread and muddy the waters however possible ever since 4chan started finding Gnosticism many years ago.
>>40991650Many such cases :p and literally the beginning of the journeyOnce you get into "Twin flames" the fun really begins imo
>>40991639Right, Marcionism is not Gnostic. I’ve noticed jews have been pushing it as a kosher alternative to Gnosticism, likely as a reaction to more and more people becoming Gnostic.
>>40985809why would you wanna indulge in these ideas just meditate and trust the truth is within or seomthing
>>40987869>look at Irenaeus, Tertullian and Hippolytus' writings.Not a fan of such "heretic hunters". Inherently Pharisaic and Dualistic. I look to the wisest in every tradition, which in Christianity would include Origen, Gregory of Nyssa, Dionysius the Areopagite, Maximus the Confessor, John Scotus Eriugena, and the mystical theologians of all ages. Their work is continuous with gnostic, neoplatonic, and hermetic thought, though clothed in mostly orthodox language.
>>40985809“Convert”? Dude do you genuinely care about the truth or do you just want to ascribe to a certain “religion” to help validate your framework of reality?
Oh, you know
>>40991662Big Scholarism paid me to write this post .Anyways nice fan fiction interpretation of history but thats not how gnosticism derived. Youre confusing proto-gnosticism with gnosticism.
>>40992132Why bother lying when no one believes your lies anymore? Must be frustrating that you can no longer trick people about Gnosticism, Schlomo.
>>40992132>gnosticismNo such thing. There is gnosis, and there are the secret scriptures (Nag Hammadi, etc) that convey the higher wisdom of Christ. The label "Gnosticism" is an invention of the heresiologists.
>>40992174Not anon but I want this emanation to explain to me what Jesus meant in John 8:44 and Revelation 2:9 and why the God of Abraham is called Satan by the Son of Man.
>>40992174Regardless of who first used the term “Gnosticism”, it is used in modern times to both 1) refer to the original teachings that preceded the various Gnostic sects and 2) as an umbrella term to refer to Gnostic sects and/or their shared beliefs as a whole.
>>40992163>>40992174Meant to reply to the anon above, my apologies.
https://www.goldenrosycross.org/books
>>40992223The mortal world of illusion is the world of contention, and Jesus was addressing the agents of contention. Contention is a necessary evil that helps individuate and firm up the soul through negation. These contenders are to be grappled with as part of the soul's journey, but never emulated.
>>40992108don't get me wrong i did indeed word that terribly and i sounded like a retard, but yes i genuinely do care about the truth.
>>40992163>>40992174>>40992235who are you and who are you trying to talk to.
>>40992235>Ye are of your father the devil, and the lusts of your father ye will doReferring to the demonic hybrid “humans” that call themselves jews, which are the human servants of the Demiurge, Yaldabaoth (Satan). They are “of” Satan in that their genetics are partially archonic, which is very important to them, one of the many reasons being it allows them to be able to act as hosts to demons (much much more effectively than non-bloodline humans) which can take them over and can even appear physically during certain circumstances. Lusts of your father points towards them having a Demiurgic mind, having almost no choice but to serve Satan.>He was a murderer from the beginning, and abode not in the truth, because there is no truth in him.Yaldabaoth was pure entropy from “birth”, and is furthest from Truth than anything else in existence. However I should emphasize that even the Demiurge has its role to play in the awakening of humanity, and that everything that has happened/is happening is what needs to happen.>When he speaketh a lie, he speaketh of his own: for he is a liar, and the father of it.Similar to above, when Yaldabaoth speaks lies he refers to his own existence which is the original “lie”, untruth, and lies derive from his own essence and corruption. The inverted and hijacked material realm (described as the Fall of Eden) is one of the greatest examples of his lies. I’ll touch on the Revelation passage when I come back
>>40992163>>40992174You gorilla retards, the word Gnostic can first be seen used in early 2nd centuryIrenaeus's Against Heresies (Book I, Chapter 11, Section 1):"There is another Gnostic sect (Gk: ἕτερον γνωστικὸν φῦλον - heteron gnostikon phylon) which has grown out of the followers of Saturninus and Marcion. They call themselves disciples of Matthias, and they propose for themselves the traditions they claim to have received in secret through him." and even earlier it was most likely used by Justin Martyrs now lost writings against heresies. Scholars main the phrase proto-Gnosticism as used to refer to that which came before Christ; this is what you subscribe to. You are not Gnostics, you are proto-gnostics, a diverse movement that abscribes to various beliefs such as egyptian mystery schooling, Platonist demiurge concepts, and Zoroastrian dualism. The actual historical Gnostic sects like the Valentinians, Sethians, and Borborites were explicitly CHRISTIAN movements that emerged in the 2nd century. They weren't just repackaging pagan mysticism; they were interpreting the Christian message through a Platonic lens, creating complex systems to explain the problem of evil and the nature of the divine. Your "secret wisdom" is a modern reconstruction, a LARP that ignores the actual theological context of the groups you claim to represent. The fact that you have to deny the very existence of the term "Gnosticism" to make your argument proves you have no historical leg to stand on.
>>40992492Falseflagging jew is scared. Report back to your rabbi for an updated shilling technique, yours isn’t working so well.
>>40992492Imagine being this clueless.
>>40992536He knows he’s lying, jewish shills are nothing new in Gnostic threads.
>>40987869>Your gold and silver is cankered; and the rust of them shall be a witness against you, and shall eat your flesh as it were fire. Ye have heaped treasure together for the last days.Yeah, no..
>>40992531Do you even realize that Satan is a title and not an entity boogeyman? Your entire argument falls flat by ignorance itself. All mentions of Satan in the old testament are referring to adversaries and accusors, not some demonic Lucifer that flattened your tire on the way to work, you retard.>Numbers 22:22, 32: The angel of the Lord stands as an adversary (satan) against Balaam to obstruct his path. Here, a holy angel of God is called a satan because he is performing an adversarial function on God's behalf.>1 Samuel 29:4: The Philistine commanders call David a potential satan (adversary) in their battle.>1 Kings 11:14, 23: God raises up Hadad the Edomite and Rezon son of Eliada as adversaries (satans) against Solomon.>Job 1:6-12, 2:1-7: "The satan" (הַשָּׂטָן - ha-satan) appears among the "sons of God" (heavenly court). The definite article "the" is crucial: he is "the accuser" or "the prosecutor."Even Jesus knows this. Matthew 16:23: Jesus turns to Peter and says, "Get behind me, Satan! You are a stumbling block to me; for you are setting your mind not on divine things but on human things."Is Peter literally the personal being Satan? No. Jesus is identifying the spirit working through Peter at that moment; the spirit of opposition to God's plan (the Cross) as "satanic." Peter is functioning as an adversary (satan), obstructing Christ's mission.writing my next post to the other anon.>>40992554I pity you.>>40992573Imagine now knowing that was Romes fall in coming centuries.
>>40989189Seething LGBT trannyHow is that Mossad desinfo when gnostics openly talk about gender being fluid and how the demiurge separated the natural tranny divine spark into men and women, you are so fucking mad right now lmao
>>40985809The Forbidden Religion is a good place to start.
>>40992492you can smell the kosher in this post lol
>>40992576Didn’t read, jew.
>>40991650Theres no reported cases of any gnostic reaching gnosis, its a state that cant even be properly defined, you are just a seething demon wandering into the ramblings of ancient seething demons and feeling wise about it
>>40992223"ye are of the father your devil" contextually refers to the pharisees and sadducees persistently starting violence based on lies (knowingly) hence they are Adversaries, Ha-Satans, Satans, Accusors . This is how ancient Jews even now understand the concept of Ha-Satan otherwise Satan.Revelation 2:9 is playing on as a continuation from Galatians 3:28-2928 There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither bond nor free, there is neither male nor female: for ye are all one in Christ Jesus.29 And if ye be Christ's, then are ye Abraham's seed, and heirs according to the promise.Paul is saying that the real identity is found in Christ, not in fleshly lineage. The "synagogue of Satan" are those who claim identity through earthly means while rejecting the Messiah, thus functioning as adversaries to God's true people.The irony here is that the other anons chasing a secret gnosis (knowledge) from esoteric texts, but Paul tells us exactly where the true and full gnosis and pleroma (fullness) are found: in Christ alone.Colossians 2:2-3: ...that their hearts may be encouraged, being knit together in love, to reach all the riches of the full assurance of understanding (πληροφορία συνεσέως - plērophoria syneseōs) and the knowledge (γνῶσιν - gnōsin) of God's mystery, which is Christ, in whom are hidden all the treasures of wisdom and knowledge.Colossians 2:9-10: For in him the whole fullness (πλήρωμα - plērōma) of deity dwells bodily, and you have been filled in him...The concept of spiritually connecting lineage to satan or God (by your fruits) can be seen in scripture elsewhere; it's the entire basis for how Jesus and John the Baptist defined membership in God's family. They explicitly rejected genetic lineage and replaced it with spiritual obedience.Continued in my next post;
>>40992585Nah he was right, and everything you just said is a lie.
>>40992599Is it REALLY that hard for you to find the Christ? It's fucking tagged with the word "Christ." Just think Christ without cursing and you'll find Christ. That's gnosis. It shouldn't really be that hard.
>>40992617Woah, such a profound counter-argument, its so full of knowledge, may as well shit on the floor, smear the feces in your face and then feel like you owned the demiurge
>>40992635Calling out jewish shills like yourself and watching them seethe is a 4chan tradition, Sheckleberg.
>>40992626Stop talking about Christ you damn seething demon, the only reason why gnostics use the name of Christ is out of the sick perverted desire to create a fictional war between God and His own sonIts funny how you retards believe in the nag hammadi scrolls that were found not long ago but can deny almost the whole bibleIt doesnt matter how hard you try to sell Christ as this hippy gnostic leftist, when He talks about Hell you retards keep profound and revealing silence knowing how full of shit youre all are
>>40992223Continued; in the verse in John you point out Jesus is referring to the spirit of Violence as just before his accusation, the Jews' intentions are made clear:John 8:37, 40: "...but you seek to kill me because my word finds no place in you... you seek to kill me, a man who has told you the truth that I heard from God."This is the principle: Your spiritual "father" is whose desires you obey and whose nature you reflect. You are identified by your fruit; your actions and character. Matthew 3:7-10 (John the Baptist to the Pharisees/Sadducees): "You brood of vipers! Who warned you to flee from the coming wrath? Produce fruit in keeping with repentance. And do not think you can say to yourselves, ‘We have Abraham as our father.’ For I tell you that out of these stones God can raise up children for Abraham. The axe is already at the root of the trees, and every tree that does not produce good fruit will be cut down and thrown into the fire.">produce fruitJohn 8:39-44 (Jesus to those seeking to kill him): “If you were Abraham’s children,” said Jesus, “then you would do what Abraham did... You are doing the works of your own father.”... “You belong to your father, the devil, and you want to carry out your father’s desires.">Jesus referring to fruits The Fruit of the Spirit (of God) is love, joy, peace, forbearance, kindness, goodness, faithfulness, gentleness, self-control. (Galatians 5:22-23)The Fruit of the Flesh (of the Adversary) is sexual immorality, impurity, hatred, discord, jealousy, fits of rage, selfish ambition, dissensions, factions, envy. (Galatians 5:19-21)If you really think about it, the New Testament is basically about how its not genetics that saves you but fruits, which is why gentiles are invited into the promise, as well as jews; but only based on true faith that produces works by Gods grace. There is a prince of the air which is sort of like a military commander but for the most part, no, Peter was not literally Satan.
>>40992653Yes only Jesus is the Christ, you heard this from a priest, don't forget to pay your tithe
>>40992652Is there anything more jewish than gnosticism?>You are God>The actual God has nothing on you
Gnosticism is basically the trashy trailer park religion. Nobody subscribing to it knows anything about what they're talking about, they'd rather listen to Channeled Lecture from Orion #23884939940 than read early history and read scripture itself.
>>40992653>>40992669>>40992671Holy jewish samefagging meltdown. Gnosticism isn’t going away just because it makes you creatures tremble in fear.
>>40992659Funny how all of sudden the meaning of words can change, now Christ is just the gnostic word to define some sort of mystic state and has nothing to do with Jesus, your people should be up front about that instead of trying to cat fish believers into this ancient cult that worships some random non sensical texts
>>40992686All of a sudden? The word Christ comes from a hebrew word meaning annointed? Did you think it was his last name or something. Lmao.
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>>40992686Christ is a Greek translation of Krsna. He reincarnates every yuga and the first written instance of it is several millenia before Jesus showed up. Christ is not a translation of Messiah. The Greeks had no word for "Jewish Kang"I'm obviously not gnostic but it's just very funny to me that you all wage war against yourselves over who has the real textual interpretation of Jesus, when you could simply gaze inwardly into heaven and behold the Christ with CERTAINTY.
>>40992713>>40992682>>40992223I feel like gnostics just dont read. They get caught up in the idea of the pharisees/sadducees representing all of jews when biblically this is not even the case in the old testament. God chose Abraham and his descendants not for their own exclusive salvation, but to be a "light to the nations" (Isaiah 42:6, 49:6). This was crucial in a time where polytheism was centrally diluting the intellect of the ancient world, Among all the nations of the ancient world, only Israel had maintained a staunch, often persecuted, monotheism. Greek philosophy had glimpses of a supreme God (e.g., Plato's "Demiurge," Aristotle's "Unmoved Mover"), but it was always polytheistic and mixed with pagan mythology. Israel provided the only pure soil for the seed of the Gospel to grow. (later expounded in the concept of divine pedagogy which means Gods revelation to mankind through Christ was intentional so that mankind would ease into the gospel as a child being tutored, also as Irenaeus put it in his book Against Heresies) The centuries of prophets (Isaiah, Jeremiah, etc.) were essential consistently condemned the very "genetic supremacy" the user mentions, preaching that God cares for the heart, not just lineage (Isaiah 1:11-17, Jeremiah 7:1-11). (also among a time where slavery in Israel was the least oppressive system allowing indentured servants freedoms and rights not reserved anywhere else such as a right to court, any sexually abused slave is instantly freed, etc. etc.) ...the Church Fathers constantly quoted the prophets to show that God's plan was always universal. St. John Chrysostom (Homilies on Romans) argues the Old Testament is filled with examples of Gentiles being justified by faith (Melchizedek, Job, the Ninevites). The "true Jew" was always the one inwardly circumcised in heart (see Jeremiah 4:4 which is OLD TESTAMENT, and Romans 2:28-29 NEW TESTAMENT). Continued in my next post;
>>40992757>divine pedagogyAll I read. Can't wait to hear Jesus's "escatology"Why don't we discuss it over the "Paschal feast." Paschal comes from the word for a shepherd who fucks his sheep
>>40992757continued; the Mosaic Law believe it or not had provisions for "sojourners" or "resident aliens" (such as Exodus 22:21, Leviticus 19:34), instructing Israelites to treat them with justice and love. The ideal was always inclusion based on faith and righteousness, not exclusion based on race.The idea of pedagogic revelation isn't something Irenaeus even came up with we see it as early as in Genesis. >Genesis 3:15): God promises a descendant (seed) of the woman who will crush the serpent's head. The target is vast and undefined.>(Genesis 12:3, 22:18): The promise is narrowed. The seed will come through a specific man and his family line, and through this seed, all nations will be blessed. This explicitly refutes any notion of "genetic supremacy"; the chosen line is for universal blessing.>The Prophecy to Judah (Genesis 49:10): The line is narrowed further. The ruler will come from the tribe of Judah. (Jesus Christ himself)Galatians 3:23-24: "Before faith came, we were held captive under the law, imprisoned until the coming faith would be revealed. So then, the law was our guardian [paidagōgos] until Christ came, so that we might be justified by faith."Colossians 2:16-17: Therefore let no one pass judgment on you in questions of food and drink, or with regard to a festival or a new moon or a Sabbath. These are a shadow of the things to come, but the substance belongs to Christ.>The dietary laws, festivals, and Sabbaths were not arbitrary. They were shadows and teaching tools, object lessons, and prophecies pointing to their ultimate fulfillment. The substance, the reality that casts the shadow, is Christ.Galatians 4:4-5: "But when the fullness of time had come, God sent forth his Son, born of woman, born under the law, to redeem those who were under the law, so that we might receive adoption as sons."continued in next post;
>>40992795So Jesus came from the line of Judah because his adoptive father was from that line? Try to ignore the retarded sprites MCing you when you answer
>>40992774non-sequitir. also your etymology is wrong. The term Pascha is a transliteration of the Greek Πάσχα (Pascha), which itself comes from the Aramaic פַּסְחָא (pascha), a transliteration of the Hebrew פֶּסַח (Pesach) MEANING "Passover." ...it refers to God "passing over" the houses of the israelites during the final plague in egypt (see exodus 12).cute. but wrong.
>>40992696Theres no inner self to be considered annointed, the scripture constantly states differences, vastly differences between humans and the divinity, unlike gnostics who believe that if you read enough esoteric shit you will become annointed, something that doesnt even make sense, see? You were defeated in your own word game
>>40992801Maybe God saved David's semen in some kind of time capsule.
>>40992806Christians fuck sheep
>>40992811Oh wait, Israel is shorn, his seed is notI can't believe you got me back to my old game.It's all so tiresome. The Koran states the Jews are a people who have passed away. Also there is a curse upon anyone who calls Jesus the Son of God. He clearly STOLE, yes, stole that title from Augustus Caesar, the only Begotten Son of God. If Caesar were calling himself Captain Cactus at the time, all the Christians would be praising Captain Cactus, and they'd still be cursed. It's GREAT that you praise the Only Begotten Son of God. See how to win? Hail Caesar!
>>40992713Funny how he reincarnates according to YOU and doesnt seem to be capable of keeping the same identity for the sake of the human kind, he just reincarnates and creates this new religion that is vastly different from whatever hindu branchDo gnostics even bother to make sense or it just this a lazy larp designed to turn off the faith of actual believers
>>40992831Christ=Krishna, seek the Holy Spirit's guidance
>>40992757Something interesting about the jews in their time were how they commanded to conduct themselves.Jews instituted safe havens for everyone of all races; as Cities of Refuge (Numbers 35). These were designated safe havens for someone who committed accidental manslaughter. They provided a trial and protection from the "avenger of blood," preventing endless blood feuds. This institutionalized mercy and due process for what we would call involuntary manslaughter. It's interesting to see the parallel in modern day. Every 50th year, all leased or sold ancestral land was to be returned to its original family, and all Israelite indentured servants were to be set free (Leviticus 25). Before besieging a city, they were required to first offer terms of peace (Deuteronomy 20:10).Etc. Etc. Etc. >>40992817If there was any doubt left to lurkers you've lost your composure; that's all gone. Thanks for the tears.
>>40992847>Thanks for the tears.UR WELCOME MR. HOLY GHOST
>>40992713>I'm obviously not gnostic>>40992831>Do gnostics even bother to make sense>>40992757>I feel like gnostics just dont readNo one reads on this website. Everyone here is illiterate. Any time it might seem based on the writing that one person has understood someone else and is responding to them, it's only a coincidence. This is what I've learned from spending too much time here.
>>40992836Gnostics dont have the Holy spirit to begin with, the Holy Spirit is just your inner chakra or somethingSee? This is what I am talking about m, gnostics steal terms and definitions to appear wise and universal but you dont speak the truth, its just like listening to the ramblings of some hobo down the street
>>40992868Diogenes was a hobo. I guess Christians eat dogs then
>>40992855Isaiah 11:2The Spirit of the Lord will rest on him the Spirit of wisdom and of understanding, the Spirit of counsel and of might, the Spirit of the knowledge and fear of the Lord(centuries before Jesus btw)So how is Krishan reincarnated into Jesus as the pleroma of God in the totality of this sevenfold Spirit; and yet you deny the Holy Ghost by its fruits you can phenomenally observe? Argue with me here philosophically. Drop the meth pipe for one second. PLEASE.
>>40992894>reincarnated into Jesus as the pleroma of God in the totality of this sevenfold SpiritWho are you calling a meth head?Why should I talk to you?
>>40992903durr
>>40992894Jesus himself called all the deities and prophets that came before him thieves lmao
>>40992907Ok I think you blaspheme the Holy Ghost. Let us know how it works out for you?
>>40992907The Pleorma is where the AEons reside and of the seven spirits before the Throne of God, none of them are the Holy Spirit (the Pure Spirit)
>>40992919Blaspheming the Holy Spirit is rejecting Gods grace, believing that your sin is too great for you to be saved, in the day of Judgement. >>40992917This is your opinion. But it's not true and you have to be an olympic mental gymnast to make the stretch to get there based on a literal reading of his actual sayings (of which take less than 20 minutes to read entirely, so idk who you're trying to fool)>>40992925Gnostic gibberish. So how does a gnostic supose that knowledge can save you, and not good works? How can you act like a satan, and be saved just because of secret knowledge? James 2:19>You believe that there is one God. Good! Even the demons believe that—and shudder.Its not too late to denounce insanity anon.
>>40992940Well I'm not a gnostic. Now I see you are with the Holy Ghost so I will be more gentle. Yes secret knowledge could be morally vacuous. If you're with the Holy Ghost that's great. I just think it's a lot easier or something if you just went directly to the Christ without all this red rape. I don't believe in the gnostic mythology but I can be in Christ-consciousness at any time, it's not made upOne of my points which the Holy Spirit personally trusted me with is this. Christ existed in Greek before Jesus, right?Did Christ exist as a Word entirely independently (in Greek) of the Hebrew 'Messiah'?Then there's a floating notion of Christ entirely distinguished from any banter about a Jewish Messiah. That is my point. Are you able to follow it, or are you a sheep fucker?
Go Rasta and smoke ganja instead
>>40992810I was defeated in your own mind. Keep coping Jew on a stick worshipper.
>>40993010Yeah like Rastas thought Halle Sesaerie (sic) was the Christ. That doesn't mean they thought he was the Messiah
>>40992847Found this cool video on the jewish-roman war, actually kind of impressive some of the jews strategies, digging tunnels to collapse romans' artillery by burning pillars holding up the tunnels, dug directly underneath them outside the fortress. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y741QbT1YEo>>40992961>Did Christ exist as a Word entirely independently (in Greek) of the Hebrew 'Messiah'?I dont see how the etymology here is relevant. Jesus is God manifestly incarnate. The sacraments are not red tape, they are ordinary means of salvation. It's going back debunking Sola Fide. The catholic catechesis outlines extraordinary exceptions (such as theif on the cross) when you're backed into a corner; but for the majority of the people, you're bound by the keys of David by which doors no man can shut. Do you wear a kippah? Do you celebrate hannukah? "All things are lawful [that is, morally legitimate, permissible], but not all things are beneficial or advantageous. All things are lawful, but not all things are constructive [to character] and edifying [to spiritual life]. " 1 Corinthians 10:23. Who besides the anointed can exorcise demons like priests can? >Acts 19:13–16 Then some of the itinerant Jewish exorcists undertook to invoke the name of the Lord Jesus over those who had evil spirits, saying, “I adjure you by the Jesus whom Paul proclaims.”>Seven sons of a Jewish high priest named Sceva were doing this. But the evil spirit answered them, “Jesus I know, and Paul I recognize, but who are you?” And the man in whom was the evil spirit leaped on them, mastered all of them and overpowered them, so that they fled out of that house naked and wounded.Continued; (text limit)
>>40993026Well you used anointed to indicate priests so the concept of the anointed obviously has a wide use
>>40992961Who dares to make themselves priest bypassing the ordination of Aaronic laying of hands, bypassing the Catholic Churches, Orthodox Catholic Church, Oriental Catholic Orthodox, Assyrian Catholic Church of the East, Ancient Catholic Church of the East; the chain of custody passed down by Jesus to Peter to the Church today? Hebrews 5:4-64 No one takes this honor upon himself but only when called by God, just as Aaron was. 5 In the same way, it was not Christ who glorified himself in becoming high priest, but rather the one who said to him:“You are my son; this day I have begotten you”;6 just as he says in another place:[a]“You are a priest forever according to the order of Melchizedek.”>>40993010Catholics dont condemn ganja brother, we just don't want to smoke the highest THC and fry our serotonin. Use it with discernment for therapy, not for recreational use. Anything higher than 50-100mg per week of THC will bring detrimental side effects to your health and cognition.
>>40993040It's kind of foolish for you to argue with me because if you entertain my idea with seriousness and genuineness you would be in heresy or apostasy. I don't think you can have a good faith discussion, such is your bad faith
>>40993040Unfathomably based Cathbro
>>40993052The first people to be called Christians worshiped Serapis, a form of Christ
>>40993010BUMBACLOT, hey mun me smoka de ganja weed de sweet herb uh de urt mun. Hey Salasieeee
>>40992757Again didn’t read, jew.
>>40993049We posit God can always make exceptions but I am talking about the ordinary means. Why take a risk by going outside the flock? That is the argument here. At least one of anyway.
>>40993049Pic-related is you to a tee. Using terms like sheep fucker and claiming good faith is Christopher Brian Bridges aka Ludacris.
>>40993075Because Allah (God) said he cursed the Christians for changing the Scripture around and set enmity between the sheep? Witch flock?
>>40992810Colossians 3:9-11"Do not lie to one another, seeing that you have stripped off the old self with its practices and have clothed yourselves with the new self, which is being renewed in knowledge according to the image of its creator. In that renewal there is no longer Greek and Jew, circumcised and uncircumcised, barbarian, Scythian, enslaved and free, but Christ is all and in all!">but Christ *is all* and *in all*!
>>40993082I was a sheep and Jesus fucked me. I will literally stand next to you on the Day of Judgment and say this if you want. I really mean it. Christian fucking sheep
>>40993085Are we bringing up Mohammad the Christian now?Sahih al-Bukhari (Book of Revelation, Hadith 3) :When Muhammad returned trembling from his initial encounter with an entity revealing prophecy to him by which was the maner the Quran was wirtten [sic.], Khadijah reassured him and took him to Waraqa, who said: “This is the same Namus (Gabriel) that came to Moses.”
>>40993115Gabriel is the worst. His favorite job is changing Mary's diapers
>>40993068Gnosticism na true true talk, no be dat Jew man wey dem nail for wood. Everytime truth dey, all these christians, dem go dey argue like mumu over church matter. All Abraham people na from their papa wey be devil, dem no sabi anything about Gnosis, finish.
>>40993121So now we're saying Gabriel's Quran is trouble making and therefore errant, fallible. >>40993073I don't expect you to know how to read honestly.
>>40992940>>40992868>don’t have the holy spirit You’re thinking of your own kind, Rosenstein. Once again the lies in each of your posts serve for nothing but exposing yourself.
>>40993161Its funny how retarded you are lol.
Horizontal religion is archontic and satanic = you treat the Kingdom of God as being on this world, you worship an external Jesus which you start to depend on, you die and just reincarnate again, nothing changes. One continues being trapped in matter. When one dies the false astral heavens and its deities like the false Jesus come and trap you there. When you reincarnate again these astral forces try to control you once more. Vertical religion, True religion = One gradually discovers the mysteries of the heart within and connects which the fundamental Godly force of the universe, the Christ principle inside each one of us. Gradually by understanding what we really are we win over death and matter and become One with the supreme principle.
>>40993236Word salad.
>>40993146Nor would I want to read jewish coping.>>40993181>goyim don’t know about IP switching!I know you jews are very low IQ but seriously?
>>40993240What did you not understand? I will explain it very clearly if you really wish to understand, although it may be impossible for you to grasp it if you are a person of the horizontal type, and the hierarchies and powers control you. Only you yourself can get free from them after you realize that these religions, Catholicism included, will never solve the tragedy of man. Worshipping an imagined deity may bring some results for the worldly life but it will never truly bring the ultimate truths that make men free himself of all ignorance.
True satanism is organized religion, which is much more terrifying than making some edgy rituals with chicken's blood. That's for teenagers. Real satanism is deeply controlling men and his soul through ignorance, through organized ritual, through making his energies captive and using them to vivify false gods. The image of Jesus Christ and his idolization is the Antichrist itself, completely opposed to God and his true plan for man. I am the Truth, The Path and The Life, and no one comes to the Father except through me. The Jesus so-called christians worship is not Truth, is not Life and is not the path. It's just a mental image which preys on them and have been enslaving a parcel of humanity for a long time. Abandon all egregores and meet the real Christ in the heart. That's the true religion.
imagine arguing about doctrine instead of just doing the basicsi can't even
you guysyou know being Christian is about acting on that belief in him, right?arguing all day about who's right about the details isn't going to get us anywheredo what he says to the best of your abilitythats it
>>40993040>>40993049you twoman>I see you with the Holy Ghost so I will be more gentleWhat difference does it make? You should be more gentle to the one that is lost and sick than to the one who can seethe secret knowledge is this: you are children of the most highact like it
>>40992653Except god in the gnostic scrolls actually acts like god. Not some whiny faggot throwing tantrums all the time like some pagan. Hes not your fucking buddy he's pure being.
>>40993314I sometimes wonder if part of the secret to Christianity's success is the way it provides endless fuel for arguing. It keeps it firmly in the public consciousness and exercises the reasoning abilities of both its followers and its opponents in whatever society it can be found.
>>40993414Our Lord certainly had a way with the truthful words he spoke during his life in Judea.
>>40993259So what you posit is true, that there is salvation outside the ordinary means such as the thief on the cross; but it's not recommended to go out and be a lost sheep when there already shepherds among us with the divine authority to cast out demons or forgive sins, through chain of custody.
>>40993287>Idolizationhmm>mental imageOk i see>mental image is enslavinghuh>meet the real Christ in the heartHow did you end up here from the beginning of your paragraph?
>>40993314Docetism which is Gnosticism downplays the Passion of Christ which is integral to many, most Christians are moved by Christs sufferings. Positing like Muslims that He only pretended to suffer downplays the Passion and its why it's worth rebuking.
>>40993377This sounds like a Deists take which is heresy.
>>40993287This Anon is right. The Son of Man truly does rise within your heart, and you are blessed Anon. I see that you will continue down this path and deny the desires of the flesh. You will bear your own cross and after follow him faithfully.
>>40993414It has to do with inevitability. Even if you do not wish to accept the truth of this version of Jesus, a messianic figure sacrificing itself in an effort to perfect all of your sliver of reality is an eventually required geometry in order for any aspect of your existence to stabilize. Just as the plus represents a crosshair remaining on target.And there is no true conversion to true gnosticism. You can become supplicant, sure, but you either know, or you do not.+
>>40985809You don't convert to knowing you dumb dumb. You try to learn to know better.
>>40992585You defaulted to meme phrases because they were right.Hi, Mossad.
>>40985809read the book of clouds by alawiteanon
>>40994559No mohammed. Go fuck a goat.
>>40993829Gnosticism having anything to do with transgenderism is just a desperate cope by jews and christ cucks who hate the truth, and grasp at straws to discredit it.
>>40992531Many jews are spiritual materialists most are 100% demiurgic, maybe a few kabbalists are less demiurgic but most jews are 100% into body matter cowkilling flesheater pedo shitWe could sace these jews if they willingly denounce the demiurge and go back to the root of kaballah and realize its all astral nonse they believed in for years.
>>40994755We could save these jews if*
>>40992585The divine feminine can be in a male and the divine masculine can be in a female.That doesnt mean anyone has to xhop their natural dick or their natural tits off
There's no need to bash jews, they have added wisdom and knowledge to gnosticismIts just that like in all groups some cling to old ways
>>40994559Jew lover here, should i read it?
If you dont love both jew and muslim then you did not get true gnosis
>>40985809you must jerk off into the Nile river and the gnostic magi will find you and initiate you.
>>40995094unironically yes, immediately
>>40993725>quibbling about "-ism"sPull your head out and follow Christ.
>>40992492
>>40992492gnosticism is older than christianity you fucking retard, the greeks already had similar concepts.
>>40992492>noo you are supposed to only focus on the positive aspects of nature, nice sunsets, rainbows & butterflies, just ignore the rest bro.
Can someone explain the Gnosticism and Christianity connection?Is the Demiurge the God of the old abrahamic religions and is Lucifer the story of Sophia, trying to bring light and wisdom to unshackle ourselves from the false God (Demiurge)? Is the One, the Monad, the highest authority that's not accessible to us in this prison planet due to the Demiurge actually NOT the God of abrahamic religions? Is it purposefully twisted in these religions? I have a lot of confusion with this, because Christianity for example immediately went on a war path with Gnosticism and declared it heresy. Why? Why not absorb it and build on it?Bonus question: Is the advent of AI, the ultimate pinnacle of scientific achievement, the final Warden of this prison and the ultimate goal to sever our divine spark to the Monad?
>>40985809Trust me you don't want to, once you truly begin to believe in something it's difficult to escape from it. Belief creates reality and you do not want to live in a reality in which the demiurge exists to eternally torment you.
>>40996069I can only speak from my intuition and experience within, coupled with external information I know to be 100% true. Gnosticism IS Christianity, the original aim of Christianity, that is. Know the Truth and the Truth shall set you free. The Christ principle which is found in the heart is the real Christ, also called Atman in other cultures, and so forth. One goes on the path of the Pistis Sophia, the seeker is the Pistis Sophia herself on the journey, and then eventually he ascends and realizes matter as illusory and all his identifications with perceived objects as wrong.The Demiurge is an aspect that governs the universe. He is ultimately a helper, a necessary employee if you may. The God of Abrahamic religions is twofold: YHVH is God, GOD, The Father, that which flows in everything and yet it is not contained by it. But there is also the God of Jews, which is the racial egregore the Jews have been created by their systematic worship since a long time ago. One should understand the difference between organized, systematized religion and the True Religion of the Spirit. One is horizontal and keeps man in ignorance. Worshipping Jesus as a discrete mental entity and then relying on it — which at the end of the day is just a mental image – to save you, which will never happen.
>>40996069>>40996109Cont. By worshipping Jesus, an image, you create a false deity which starts existing and manipulating people. This is the great error of religion – waiting for salvation to come from outside. Why do you think Mohammed completely forbid any images of himself? Let's look at the second commandment found in the Bible:4 “You shall not make for yourself a carved image, or any likeness of anything that is in heaven above, or that is in the earth beneath, or that is in the water under the earth. 5 You shall not bow down to them or serve them, for I the Lord your God am a jealous God, visiting the iniquity of the fathers on the children to the third and fourth generation of those who hate me, 6 but showing steadfast love to thousands[b] of those who love me and keep my commandments.One created false gods by casting images, mental images, and worshipping them. Common Christianity expects an external paradise in a point of space, but that is misled and illusory. The real paradise is found in achieving Truth and being free from the time-space matrix.
>>40996069>because Christianity for example immediately went on a war path with Gnosticism and declared it heresy. Why? Why not absorb it and build on it?Can't you see? Because one is completely opposed to the other, both can't coexist. Common Christianity dominated by institutions is worldly, exoteric - external saints, external gods, salvation from without, maintaining the ego and perpetuating the illusion of being "a good person", when in fact there are no persons, all of this is an illusory play brought about by ignorance. Gnosticism is about realizing this, that this world isn't real, that we can never be good persons because there are no persons, no civilization, no society. Only God. So the Christianity of common men is worldly, materialistic, and Gnosticism is the complete apocalypse and destruction of materialism and the world illusion. That's why the powers that be tried and largely had success in destroying Gnosticism over the last millennia... But God always has a trick upon its sleeve, and what is Truth will always prevail over what is false.
>>40996159No yeah I get that, but I mean historically speaking the Christians created their ethos in genesis and it strikes me as odd that, while in Gnosticism the force that stands against Monad is simply the negation of it (Evil, darkness, what have you), in Christianity it's a serpent providing wisdom. In its very inception Christianity paints Sophia as evil. Do not pursue the path of wisdom and knowledge, simply bow down and accept the abrahamic God to be true. I'm asking my question because I sense trickery and truth to be twisted, and as you point out the century long worship on this planet has brought about religions that worship idols, even uplifting Jesus to be a God figure.In my mind, the Truth and Light that exist outside of this, the true One has no relation to any major religion practiced today. There is no phenomena that describes it, but it exists as the source and end of all. Plato thought you could reach it or understand it through the pursuit of knowledge, but I think it's simpler than that, simply through love. I think its greatest gift is free will and while it can't intervene, it gives us ideas through the noumenal plane. People like Jesus, Plato, etc. then filter those ideas to the rest, but they're more akin to flawed messengers. I think Evil has twisted a lot of stories and I was curious about how Christianity plays into this with their practice.
>>40996194>No yeah I get that, but I mean historically speaking the Christians created their ethos in genesis and it strikes me as odd that, while in Gnosticism the force that stands against Monad is simply the negation of it (Evil, darkness, what have you), in Christianity it's a serpent providing wisdom. In its very inception Christianity paints Sophia as evil.There is no contradiction, you just don't understand correctly. The myth of the Garden of Eden refers to the fall of humanity into duality. "Knowledge of good and evil" isn't Wisdom, it's ignorance, because good and evil doesn't really exist, they are mind created, mind supported, and mind maintained creations. Knowledge of good and evil is the mental operation of conceptualization which created the dual world, the ego with his "I" and the World with its "Other". Both are one, and then when one realizes one goes back the Garden, now free from Knowledge but full of Wisdom, Sophia.
>>40996194You see, Adam and Eve weren't real people, they're allegories to principles. Eve is the World, Creation, The Womb. It's manifestation, anything that can be experienced. Adam is the creative principle, the Light that creates the Eve and sustains it. At some mysterious point , Eve - Manifestation - which is fundamentally whole and universal in all its aspects without any separation, separated into two, or many, if you may. The illusion of many things and being their own things without connection to other things was established. And then The Light, Adam, which creates Eve, was coopted into the illusion of being the "I", the ego. And so we lost our divine right of total freedom to be conditioned in this dynamic of being a discrete individual living in a discrete world.
>>40996256This is also the myth of Lucifer, the great angel which fell from the sky. Lucifer may be compared to Adam, it's the creative Light that got imprisoned into thinking itself an individual with characteristics.
>>40996256I see. Thank you. It would appear language is ultimately what prevents us from achieving wisdom. Language is a product of knowledge and thus a flawed instrument to enlightenment.
>>40996269Yes, that's very insightful, language is the root all error and all suffering. Not language exactly, but its internal counterpart, Thought, Concept. Thus Rumi, the Sufi master, has said once:The language of God is Silence. All else is an inferior translation.
>>40996277Agreed.
>>40985849fpbp
>>40988142>warped jewish mind virus known as christianityJews didnt exist during the time of Christ
>>40992492Holy kek you are an absolute moron. You want to talk about history how about how Yahweh your foreskin god is just a copy of the cannanite gods from an older religion. How about the fact that real jesus not your yahweh foreskin version has his oldest evidence in the gospel of thomas a Gnostic gospel? Real history? do you believe in that? the fact you fell for the jewish lie and praise yahweh means you know nothing. then you christians turn on the jews despite believing in the fucking torah is beyond hilarious. In world where we must kill animals, babies are born disfigured, and starving african children die while your rich pastor friends live the world peacefully is truly beautiful isn't it moron? Just like the catholics cant make up there mind whether mary the Babylonian copycat is god or jesus or yahweh after they murdered and tortured gnostics. Mate are you really this stupid? Just like >>40992671 and >>40996682 clearly you need a history lesson and take yahweh's tiny circumcised cock out of your mouths.Christians for ya.
>>40997440>another antichristian obsessed with sucking cockstypical
>>40997732>another stupid christian obsessed with foreskinsKek its in you own bible that yahweh loves baby cocks. How about you actually READ it brainlet.
>>40997798Christianity is based on the new testament which says circumcision is irrelevant.
>>40997895No christian church rejects the old testament and they always justify yahweh's evil in said jewish literature. Just because a jew died on a stick does not make justify yahweh's pred behavior. If truly only followed christ you'd very close to gnostic.
>>40997921Even Jesus said most people that claim to be Christians wont make it. Yahwehism and zionism are not Christianity, retard.
>>40987869It sounds like you have Gnostics confused with Sabbatean/Frankists
>>40997929Dude are you brain dead? Like seriously brain dead? What you just said is gnostic. What christian group hates the old testament aka yahweh in today's world? Please do tell.
You don't, it is not a religion, every religion has gnostic versions of it, in some like christianity they are considered heresy
>>40997957Nta, but you need to worry less about what "christian groups" think and more about what Jesus says.
>>40998051Once again my point is that is a very gnostic belief which was my original point. It seems that your are both lacking brain cells or you didn't pay attention to any previous posts.
>>40997957Not once did I speak against gnosticism, retard. Jesus said we are in this world and not of this world, after all.Gnosticism is not one single thing. There were many groups that believed different things.
>>40998132You responded to my post which was criticizing anti gnostics. I am legit confused now at why you responded. If your the dude that said that jews didnt exist at the time of jesus again that would be so wrong.
>>40998152You called Christianity a warped jewish mind virus. Jews didnt exist during the time of Christ. Every mention of Jew in the bible is actually Judean. When ancient Israel split, the southern part became Judea which was a heavily mixed population. The edomites through king herod worked their way into power and it was they that killed Jesus.The group of people we know as Jews stole everything, including hebrew, through the movement of zionism and actions of people like ben yehuda who revived spoken hebrew and made up thousands of words.Mark 3 6 And the Pharisees went forth, and straightway took counsel with the Herodians against him, how they might destroy him.7 But Jesus withdrew himself with his disciples to the sea: and a great multitude from Galilee followed him, and from Judaea,
>>40998119>a very gnostic beliefNo such thing. Gnosis is direct knowledge.
>>40998212That wasn't me I simply responded thinking you were defending typical yahweh loving christians. My apologies on that mate.
>>40998237No worries anon
>>40994577They think me calling them 'they' in this comment is transgenderism lolYeah people who hate truth are retards.
>>40997895So by that logic Christians hold no ill will toward gays or transgenders because the only parts that were written against it were from the OT, right?Oh wait...No as it turns out you just twist the books to whatever agenda is occurring in the moment.Like a jew.
>>40998449>implying jews dont promote homosexuality and transgenderism
>>40998463I didn't know the jews were that based, damnGeneral reminder many of the astral entities that exist are both genders but are in spirit form
>>40998634Anything thats not penis in vagina to continue the cycle of life is degenerate and evil
>>40998650And yet, people have those desires, and those people were created by God. Hmmm
>>40998655Talk about the hormone disruption from the food supply and pharmaceuticals by satanists before you ascribe those desires to God
>>40998681Tell me more. If it all really is hormones explain why homosexuals existed in ancient times? I also don't see the issue of homosexuality if someone at least reproduces once with a woman to produce an offspring. There must be some advantage of homosexuality otherwise it wouldn't exist at all.
>>40998694There is nothing new under the sun, genetic experimentation and hormone disruption existed in the past too.Sodomy is a disease spreading behavior. Its based entirely on lust which destroys people. Short term gratification for long term consequences, like a blown out anus.Life is full of tests.
>>40998707Interesting take then.What advice would you give to people who live long-fulfilling relationships with those of the same sex? Those that have been married for, lets say decades without cheating on their partner?
>>40998713My advice would be to do a parasite detox and dont touch any children inappropriately
>>40998735I've heard about the parasite theory, I still don't know if I trust it, but if it's true it would explain a whole lot of things.I think people's first instinct growing up and reading about acceptance is to accept but sometimes that can be naive and can go too far into predatory territory. It still doesn't feel right discriminating against homosexuals, but I can understand if it's a legitimate illness caused by a parasite, same thing with those whom are transgender.
>>40997440Stopped reading after your first point about christianity being a direvitive of some sort of other pagan religion. Everytime somebody tries to make this bs claim, and I decide to go check it out, its always some loosely concocted nothing burger where there are some similarities, but are actually completely different than biblical Jesus. Like "oowow Jesus rose from the dead, and so did this person! What a copy"Its so lame. Realized anti christian posters are just trying to get others to believe and have the same twisted dogma they subscribe to. Its also funny when they try to point out all the other religions that tell a similar story to Christ's ressurection; because they dont realize they are actually making an argument for the case of Jesus! After the tower of babel, the same one true message was spread with various translation errors or deliberate errors, all trying to tell the same story, but eventually the truth gets blurred and the end product is a completely different message all together. If you claim something came before that, its ALWAYS nonsense if you break it down. The same athiest bs talking point has been used since the dawn of christianity. But it fails
>>40999016And you have shown you have no intelligence beyond what your fairy tale book about a foreskin loving god spoon feeds you. What I have stated is real history with actual historians not your creepy jewish masters. You christians always defend your foreskin loving god because le jewish book told me. Arguing with a brainlet is indeed pointless.
>>40991662>He could just be a shill since Gnosticism is what scares jews more than anything else on Earth.It's virtue vs hedonism vs law, which is all based on your concept of self and motivation. - If you want to optimize chemical happiness at all times, largely by listening to whatever your body tells you to do, then you trend towards hedonism. - If you believe in doing things that have zero intrinsic value simply because the idea sounds good to you, then you believe in virtue and are gnostic (because it is about YOU). - If you believe in doing things that have zero intrinsic value simply because someone ELSE told you that the ideas are good, then you are religious (aka follow law).There are three forms, not two.
>>40999106>- If you want to optimize chemical happiness at all times, largely by listening to whatever your body tells you to do, then you trend towards hedonism. Satanists>- If you believe in doing things that have zero intrinsic value simply because the idea sounds good to you, then you believe in virtue and are gnostic (because it is about YOU). Masons>- If you believe in doing things that have zero intrinsic value simply because someone ELSE told you that the ideas are good, then you are religious (aka follow law).JewsArchetypally, I think this is true:- The Satanists are largely in the branch of nobility. Think British Empire, CIA, military-industrial complex.- The Masons are the intellectuals who seem to branch off in absolutely every direction, both in terms of good and bad. "Masonry" as an institution today is dead, but I presume the ancient version of it would be able math and geometry, which some of are the fundamental skills of any intellectual tradition. Probably involved drugs which expand consciousness, but the other two groups use drugs too (usually different kinds of drugs).- "The Jews" are just the archetype of the Pharisees, so in a Christian society, every Pharisee-like group is called a Jew. Pharisees and their kin were legalists, middle managers, scribes, loan officers, and so on. There's an interested paradox here that I want to point out: the legalists can come off as simultaneously the most religious (adhering strictly to the most ridiculous of rules) and the least religious (the most willing to abuse the letter of the law). Both forms are still "Jew" because there is a conservative and liberal side to this overall world view and governing system, of doing good ideas which others tell you to.
>>40999134I think what I'm really saying about the conservative and liberal side of the Jew is that the liberal side of Jew is really just the Satanist, the hedonist. This is probably because in Christian canon, the gnostic god is "god", and the other two guys are dethroned from their position as high god. One of the other guys would be just Satan, the war chief hedonist (think: heavy ego death drugs that make you fearless in battle). The other guy would be the woman, which represents the legalists. This means female culture thrives the most in places where there is simultaneously a lack of male martial force (Satan) and a lack of male moderation and leadership (the solar prophet).
>>40994755tsmt
>>40995590>No, dont call out Muslims for their rejection of the Christs divinity which is central to John 3:16
>>40995815I'll just mention that God created adrenaline and cortisol dumps for a reason, you'll hear all about it from people having limbs mutilated or cut off entirely and they'll mention they felt nothing.
>>40997440Gospel of thomas is late second century mate. Also El and Yahweh are not the same, El means King, so whatever canaanite gods worshipped as their King, was called El, and later Jews adopted the language towards Yahweh as El Shaddai but they are completely different gods. >>40999045Literally no peer reviewed publications from credentialed scholars prove what you're trying to say. >>40997949Its the same Spirit of Confusion behind it all but thanks for bringing them up to my attention.
>>40998463>implying jews don't promote and dismiss everything at once because they are crooks playing a different game
>>40998735You should try clearing those mentally parasitic called jewcum /pol/memes >drinking mint/sage tea mmmm
>>40999657Antifa tranny spotted
>>40999657/pol/x/ master race
>>40999565Are seriously you defending Yahweh the foreskin god? the one who murdered children? That's the main point and you dodge it. No human with a normal logical mind can justify that sick fuck's actions but you need to? Don't just ignore the obvious. See the gnostics had an actual brain and knew yahweh was evil and again that is the point not whether the gnostics are the absolute truth religion as they obviously based their stories on previous religions just like jews stole sumerian texts. This isn't debated by anyone with a brain and no scholar with credentials is going to state that the jew religion of the old testament is the oldest that is just outright the most stupidest dogmatic brainwashed view a moron can have.
Since almost no one is actually posting anything helpful and are mostly just autistically screeching about Christianity, I'll post something helpful instead.
>>40985809faggot
>>41000926oh great, now comes the retards on 4chan who add nothing to the discussion and just go "faggot" because their mom gave them 1 minute on the pc. fuck off.
>>40999555so you are saying there is not immense suffering in the natural world aside from the human world where free will is the cause of evil?
>>40985998>but remember that they were written by Jewsso its a trap & one should not read them.
>>40987869>gnosticism is failed christianity.spoken like a man of this world, gnosticism is not great for aquiring worldly power therefore it does not impress you since you are interested in this material realm. and of course you are a catholic. whatever belief does not follow up with great riches that hypnotise the simple mind cannot be true.you are a worshipper of the world.
>>40988745>>40985809
>>40987869>Gnosticism is a dangerous heresy that disconnects you from othersI take it you "were in it together" during covid and got 6X vaxxmaxx'd to be one with the great unwashed masses.
>>40987869>just elevate your heart to god in childlike innocence, the kingdom is within! its so simple!>nonono you cant do that, you need wordly authority to guide you through every step of the way, the professional staff members of god down here on earth, the popes & bishops, they have all the phds in theology, trust the experts goy, because you are lesser than them & therefore wholly inept in all divine things, consult your local certified god-wizard asap. all men might be equal before god but some are more equal than others. look the vatican is wealthy, arent you impressed? they have been building the tower of babel for centuries, every day now they will be reaching heaven.
>>40988854>‘Love your neighbor as yourself'.my neighbor, yes, but not the millions of niggers from far far away & especially not the jews.
>>40991650Gnosis chads trying to make the blind see on the spiritual-greyzone-website between slumber & awakened state. those who come here are already starting to question.
>>41001618i have nothing else to all about a thread dedicated to gnosticism, since gnosticism doesn't have any profoundity at all
>>41002688Gnostic religion, isn't available to you
>>40995089No, jews have nothing to do with Gnosticism and have added nothing to it - they are terrified of it and have tried to suppress it for thousands of years, up to the current day. Damnatio memorae>>40995112You can love all existence and still call out falseflagging shills and jews, as I do.>>40999565Wrong, Gospel of Thomas is much older than that. Wrong, El and Yahweh are the same entity. Wrong, the only spirit of confusion comes from jewry and jews like you, Gnosticism is the very opposite.>>41002688The jew fears the Gnostic.
>>41002688you're a kike. if you're this retarded to where you just say>da gnoostiks had no profundity at all goyinstead of an actual excuse for just going "faggot" then you're doing a really bad job covering up the israeli flag behind you while you type. You aren't adding anything to this thread, you're just saying "faggot" to attempt to derail it exactly like the JIDF trained you to. And this reply wasn't any better unless you explain, mind telling me exactly why you think gnosticism has no profundity?
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>>41004937The jew is back. Gnosticism won’t go away, Shlomo.
>>41004937>Retard who loves his foreskin loving god.Keep licking his ass mate.
>>41005071>>41005078Do tell how gnosticism is going to save you from the dragon, and tell me how pleroma finds it fit that it would save you because you're born genetic predisposition to learn intuitively than those doomed out of pscyhological and IQ barrier; does this Monad sound fair to you? Does it not sound Satanic to you in the slightest?
>>41005502born with*
>>40999555Yeah nah I have a partial scapulothoracic separation from a heavy lifting accident and it was agony, for some reason I didn't black out (I have a minor brain injury + autism and I'm wondering if it interfered with whatever circuits are meant to make you black out like I was always told you do beyond a certain limit), the pain just got more and more cosmic, I've impaled my hand on an open-ended saw before and that was nothing compared to this, actual hell-like shit, I felt my mental substance being ripped asunder into a sludge of insect forces, nothing human underneath, dreadful, just dreadful, my semantic orders of meaning have been slightly frayed and schizo-delirious ever since, the pain fried me so bad for several months
>>41005502>Do tell how gnosticism is going to save you from the dragonYou are your own savior.>and tell me how pleroma finds it fit that it would save you because you're born genetic predisposition to learn intuitively than those doomed out of pscyhological and IQ barrierFrom what I can tell of your butchered English, you're misunderstanding what the Pleroma is and how you "get there" - it seems you're lacking serious knowledge about Gnosticism.
>>40999663no antifa is gay and stupid you're antifa
>>41006371>you dont understandThen explain. >You are your own saviorThis is retarded. You are retarded. You are actually posessed.
>>41006467>This is retarded. You are retarded. You are actually posessed.Look at how it recoils. Yes, jew, the goyim are saving themselves and there's nothing you can do about it.
>>41006483So you can go out rape, pillage, and kill, and still be saved. Because you're specially smart.
>>41006514What does "be saved" mean to you?
>>41006555Using jew magic (brownnosing) to infiltrate and take over governments and major institutions so they can control the means of living and then sell it back to you at a profit to themselves.
>>40987869This is a great post and something you could learn from OP. This is either the goodest shabbos goy, "please fuck me harder daddy israel. You raped me financially and destroyed my people, let me turn the other cheek because a book you wrote told me to do so" or a straight up kike. Gnosticism is ultimately antisemitic. When you read between the lines you come to the very real conclusion that the jewish people are indeed god's chosen people. They are protected by him and will continue to keep his favor as long as they continue to antagonize all the other people of this realm. That is the pact. However that god that protects them is a false god and the god of this material realm. Fuck yaldabaoth and fuck his demons here on this plane called jews.
>>41006744Catholics dont teach jews are predestined for heaven, on the contrary, it is the deeds of man that sends their own selves to hell. You can stop lying to the board filled with minors now, touring because of 4chan greentext spooky stories on Youtube. Kids are smarter than you think.
>>41006744Fucking KEK mate. Based as fuck.>>41006781Gemini is not a source moron. The vatican says jews can be saved why don't you google it so you can defend daddy yahweh as he wants your foreskin.
>>41007024>The vatican says jews can be savedThats what I said.
>>41006781The kids are smart enough to not fall for your jewish lies or join your Satanic cults. Many of them will end up discovering Gnosticism. You cant stop the truth, Schlomo.
>>41006781nuh uh, the pope said it so it must be true. remember individual autonomous thought is not desired in catholicism. trust the experts. the infallible authority negates all that is written effectively, trust the plan. you dont want to be seen as a rebellious protestant dont you?
>>41006744EVERYONE NEEDS TO READ THIS
>>41007053Any "heaven" with Jews in it ceases to be heaven.
>>40987869This is what a church glowie looks like.
>>41006744To further this post. Look at their role in society, flooding you with degeneracy, consumerism, false religions that make their followers subservient. They are some of yaldabaoth's greatest agents in our realm, rivaled only by the archons.The snake is a different version of prometheus, punished for trying to liberate and show us the truth and our power. Let them rule over this realm as saklas' chosen, we are not meant for this realm and must return to the light. Do not let their distractions and lies lead you astray.
>>41006744now THIS is a smart anon, the shabbos goys and kikes could never refute this point kek
>>41006781No the bible clearly states its Yahweh throwing you into there like Luke 12:5 or revelation 20:15. Stop putting the blame on humans to defend foreskin loving child murdering yahweh.
>>41010402You're not being genuine at all. First you say Jews are a chosen race and now you're saying they're all being thrown in there. Please be consistent, even retards can see your error here.
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>>41012245The bot breaks.
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>>41012167Anon are you braindead? When the hell did any gnostic say say that?
>>41012301>>41006744>wish people are indeed god's chosen people. They are protected by him and will continue to keep his favor as long as they continue to antagonize all the other people of this realm. That is the pact.>Fuck YaldaboathAre you braindead?
>>41012353What exactly about what you posted makes no sense? Jews serve Yaldaboath aka Yahweh who throws people into hell as the verses in the bible say. I literally had to spell it out for you mate. Get some common sense.
>>41012367Just so we're both on the same pageyou said> They are protected by him and then said>im being thrown in thereyou justified the claim by using Luke 12:5 which in context refers to Jesus talking about Pharisees distorting truth. So theres no other reasonable conclusion i can draw on other than you're calling me a jew; but you're also going to go and agree that jews are protected by Yahweh. So which is it? If im a jew, i am protected; and obviously i am not distorting truth here like a pharisee jew unlike the gnostics in chat claiming that knowledge saves them from the very dragon protecting jews; because some how this aeonic manifestation favors people who can save themselves than the meek and opressed who by the consequences of the enlightenment era; are fallen prey to an atheism and immoral framework by which invincible ignorance has taken ahold of them; and the poor in the foreign countries where there is no possibility to research gnosticism; and therefore lose salvation.Where exactly is a list of "do"s and "dont"s gnosticism has? If it doesnt have any, is your answer going to be "common sense"? If so, then how do you reconcile that common sense is going to save the psychic or knowledge; the pneumatic. Abortion; this we can agree is evil yes? Orgies? Alcoholism? Cognitive and empathetic failure in chronic cannabis consumption (dopamine dysregulation creates anhedonia/emotional numbness); sloth, thereby not making use of ones intellect for greater good?; There are a lot of people ignorant to yaldaboath or gnostic "knowledge" and yet they avoid many if not all of the sins I just listed (which are a few out of many more); and yet; observing the above is enough to virtually distinguish a man that is noble from an innoble man. How in gnostic cosmology would whatever source you abscribe to, find it fit to damn them to hell? It doesnt make any sense that the Catholic God itself is more merciful judging man by his works than his knowledge.
>>40999555ok, lets just say god will not burden you with a weight you can not carry, but a weight carry you must & there is suffering.this world sucks but there ist still hopegod perfect love & boundless light is simply incompatible with whatever is going on in this nightmare realm. your heart cant hold both love & hate at the same time, you cant have a concept of god with split personality disorder, comforting you one moment, punching you in the face the other, your mind wants always to compromise both thingas but your heart says no. we see how such life would look, many christians who want to combine the jealous bloodthirsty desert yhwh of the ot & jesuses pure message of the nt & end up being anxious wrecks.>b-but doesnt it tell in the bible that the heart is deceptivebut not the pure love for god that does not desire anything from any men but proximity to god only. there is not a shadow of darkness in gods character, i dont know how or even if god is in any way connected tonthe evil in the world, his thoughts are not our thoughts, for mortals this secret remains to be unsolvable, just deal with it. know that god is perfect goodness & doesnt want you to suffer even a brief moment, this demiurgic world is ruled by other beeings.thats gnosticism explained fomr an individual perspective, everyone can verify if what i am saying is true, just elevate your heart in childlike innocense & genuine longing to god, thats all that is to it. stick to god as close as possible & the chances of darkness from this world will passing you by are the best. but know that the darkness is very miuch real & the danger is great. no, god cannot be found in every place in this world, thats why we say gods forsaken place, we can bring our light to wherever we are but know that there are such places & such nihilistic hearts.>duude, all is one, unity peace bro, everyone needs just a smile & a hug to feel better.no.
>>41013541>b-but arent we all equal before godyeah but you & i dont have that perspective dont we. from our point of view we shall maintain healthy boundaries & discriminate between 'us' & 'them', we have individual autonomy for a reason, no need to blend all together like the sexes or races. we are seperated for a reason."In the eyes of God all men, indeed all creatures, may be equal: but the divine law of the individual is to maintain and to defend his individuality."Houston Stewart Chamberlain, The Foundations of the Nineteenth Century, 1899_"Vor Gott mögen alle Menschen, ja alle Wesen gleich sein: doch das göttliche Gesetz des Einzelnen ist, seine Eigenart zu wahren und zu wehren."Houston Stewart Chamberlain, Die Grundlagen des XIX. Jahrhunderts, 1899
>>41013560>we are seperated for a reasonSeparation is a temporary means, integration is the eternal end.
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>>41012681>>41012681NTA but to clarify for both of you Hell is not a place you're sent to after death, in reality Hell is a state of consciousness. Post-death "school" will partially take the shape of whatever experience the deceased truly believed they'll have, but will be incomplete and temporary until the deceased learns what they must, then they return to the Pleroma. The jews are only protected by Yaldabaoth in a physical sense, i.e. protecting their ability to continue their "works" in the material realm, spiritually they are not "protected" outside of certain "loopholes" around natural law, which in itself doesn't necessarily constitute protection.>Where exactly is a list of "do"s and "dont"s gnosticism has? If it doesnt have any, is your answer going to be "common sense"? If so, then how do you reconcile that common sense is going to save the psychic or knowledge; the pneumatic.Read the Gospel of Thomas, it's essentially a list of not only ways to live correctly (your do's and don'ts) but also a guide to help you become your own guide so to speak. No middleman is necessary, individual perception and understanding of Truth at any time is more than possible. Also you don't need to "research Gnosticism" to be able to "find salvation", the spirit of Gnosticism itself is inherent in humanity and people realize the true nature of the world every day without ever even hearing about Gnosticism. Gnosis is 0% dependent on the material.
>>41013623I am fully aware as I fully embrace Gnostic belief. I think other christian anon is confused as I never was aware of his previous argument with someone else. Also great advice.
literally just do what you wantthat's all gnosticism isit's just satanism 1.0
