>>41225096Okay, what the hell is a Jhana?
Why should anyone believe you of all people would give an accurate or truthful presentation of such a delicate concept when you’re too much of a narcissist to become a monk yourself?Also why should we ask you, a self absorbed asshole for your opinion about anything at all?
>>41225096Why are you here on /x/?
>>41225114It is a very strong form of meditation that leaves the mind calm and with a great awareness of the truth of things than the average person. It's another level of perspective
directly describe the phenomenological experience of the jhanas, one through 4, or even just pick one but be detailed
>>41225156Can you describe the proceedure?I train in a lot of meditations, but I have no formal education in these old systems in this lifetime.
>>41225139Because i am Afraid you guys don't understand Buddhism as it really is in Asia >>41225172For correction i will answer in thai language อย่าเพิ่งพูดถึงญาณ 4 เอาแค่ญาณระดับแรกสุดฉันว่าพวกแกก็ยากจะเข้าใจแล้ว การจะได้ญาณระดับแรกสุด แกต้องฝึกสมาธิผ่านการเพ่งกสิณให้ได้ก่อน ซึ่งเป็นการฝึกที่อันตรายมากหากทำเองโดยชาวตะวันตกโดยไม่มีครู เพรสะมันคือการส่งจิตออกนอก เพ่งกสิณจะใช้อะไรก็ได้เช่นการเพ่งกองไฟ แต่ต้องเป็นกองไฟที่มีขนาดพอดีไม่ใหญ่หรือเล็กไป เมื่อจิตเพ่งไห กิเลสทั้งมวลก็จะไม่สามารถมารบกวนใจได้ ฝึกจนกระทั่งจิตสามารถมองเห็นกองไฟแม้ออกจากสมาธิแล้ว เมื่อทำได้แบบนี้จิตจึงจะเริ่มมีพลัง ต่อจากนั้น ก็ฝึกจนกระทั่งนิมิตกองไฟเปลี่ยนรูปยืดได้หดได้เช่นกลายเป็นผลึกแก้ว นี่ถือเข้าใกล้ระดับญาณขั้นที่1 ต่อจากนี้นั้นก็ต้องฝึกเพ่งกสิณโดยสลับรูปที่เพ่ง เช่นจากกองไฟ ไปเป็นดิน หรือลม หรือแสง ทำจนกว่าจะชำนาญ
>>41225227okay I read what you said via google translate and it makes sense but I don't see why you're the purported pro, are you one of those asian people that thinks you can't share any 'deep secrets' because they don't have a teacher? why can't you share some crazy jhana experience, who cares?
>>41225227Aw shit nigga, I getchu.That's quite like some practices from old PSIPOG.
>>41225172เมื่อแกเพ่งกสิณจนสามาสรถเข้าสมาธิได้โดยเปลี่ยนรูปนิมิตที่เพ่งไปได้ตามใจโดยจิตไม่หลุดจากสมาธิ และสามารถแยกนามออกจากรูปได้นั้นแหละจึงจะถือว่าแกบรรลุญาณขั้นแรกสุด แต่มันเป็นการฝึกที่ยากมาก การจะจงไว้ซึ่งนิมิตจากการเพ่งกสิณนั้นยากเหมือนการดูแลลูกของจักรพรรดิ เพราะนิมิตนั้นพังได้ง่ายมากเพียงแค่แสงแดดเจิดจ้า หรือเดินสวนทางกับดวงอาทิตย์ก็อาจทำให้นิมิตรูปจากการเพ่งกสินเสื่อมได้
>>41225096>Ask me anything about Jhanawhat's the opposite of Jhana?
>>41225248I told you guys because people here think like it's EASY to get. Without awareness of it's dangerous. It can make you going insane and crazy because it's play with your mind. Or brain Also i Buddha teaching are for everyone who see his dharma. It's not secret or anything
>>41225156Can meditation truly be practiced by non-religious people? I have seen people say no, because our goals are worldly and we don't believe in the supernatural reasons to meditate. But I think values like inner peace, being a person who is better for others to live with, and mental cultivation are common and don't require any religion.
>>41225288okay, fair enough, it's not something you just 'do' on a whim yes it can be dangerous. but I still think it's better to have the knowledge of how to do it rather than not. Although I agree, and even coming from personal experience, one can go too far too fast thinking it's all fun and games and have to deal with way more than they expected. That being said, medical texts describe diseases and cures and things like that, even if some idiot will go and contract it because they read it, better to have the info than notJust a personal rant, thanks for sharing what you share all the same.
>>41225288Man, I think you're operating under the assumption that westerners don't have anything like these practices.We do, we just don't use the same jargon, oe the same mythological underpinning.
>>41225276All worldy emotions >>41225290Everyone can do meditation but only monks or anyone who focused on this purpose only can gain jhana or higher than that. It's like put a stone on the glass. Desired is not die but it was push down by mediation. It can growth again when you leave mediation I can train you about jhana level 4 which seeing birth and deaths of all form and names. If you interesting Reminder i don't think i archive even jhana level 1. But knowing these techniques help me alot in developing my mind
>>41225297Buddha warn his monks to not show all miracles power they have because it's not the way to end suffering and others sect can do the same . The power abilities to fly or warp or reading minds etc. these abilities are not unique of Buddhism. การทำสมาธิด้วยการเพ่งกสิณนั้นมีอยู่มากมายหลายถึง40วิธี แต่วิธีที่จะให้ได้อำนาจจริงเช่นการระลึกชาติได้มีอยู่แค่น้อยนิด Also i think Buddhism told these techniques directly unlike the West text. As i assumed before that all west religious is merely incomplete or some pieces from east religions only. Buddhism explained methods to gain all 16 jhana by details
>>41225096What is it? Where is it? How will it affect me?
>>41225452nice beans
>>41225452Well, I'll agree that western style obfuscation methods might not be immediately obvious, as to how they're decoded, and it's admittedly a security measure from way back, BUT, the means of decryption are dead simple when you get the hang of them.
>>41225476You like cats?
>>41225452Our religions used to hold it at the highest offices then we made the mistake of incorporating the levantine into our sacred empire, and we have been mindless golems ever since.
>>41225489 yesyou like dags?
>>41225489The Kami return for more respect?What insight may you offer me today?
>>41225181Easy and safe way to meditation is to sit down close your eyes. Focus on your breathing. Let your mind stay with your body. Aware all senses. Don't resist your thinking. Just know that you are thinking. It's not yours. Here is another method that Buddha use. Is walking slowly. But your mind must aware every moment of it. Aware that you are knowing seeing hearing etc. see your thinking but not become it. To archive jhana you must do different methods as i said above. Jhana are more dangerous. Hard . But gain more miracles power. It's not only by Archives jhana 16 to enter nirvana. Vipassana mediation can enter nirvana too. And it's easier.
>>41225679Things you think you own it. Actually it's own you. Desires are lies it's illusions.
>>41225227>>41225259I think a fucked up spirit teached me to do this once after it was taking my spirit liver , well it more so did this in my mind by force and it teached me something by accident. but still cool , it lead me to at least put a very big risk in focusing on my mind better , whatever I had surely could be improved by searching more into what jhana is. this goes into my actual question for OP. what's your opinion on westerners , kind of getting or making , incomplete forms of medication or stuff similar to medication , just for an example , I just an hour ago tried to meditate on a very particular emotion, trying to make this emotion boiling hot in passion , so as to have a specific idea in very high temperature , because I need it to mix with something naturally cold , and it needs to be of neutral temperature. this is all just a complicated mental space to make something that gives better sleep and most importantly to have a calm head tomorrow , I would not say its particularly impressive , I am not trying to brag , but even if it does not do anything that big on my advantage , but that doesn't mean it could not fuck me up if I do it wrong later.I am not entirely sure if first grade Jhana is something I have done in my life , but the fact that I can't tell if I have done this thousands of times or 0 times , is very concerning. I don't particularly like touching shoulders with a lot of this more advanced eastern use of spirituality and specially not with stuff more directly linked to Buddhism or similar religions. mostly because their is a somewhat macabre but innocent way western or otherwise things can use to communicate with you , that I at least can intuitively read on , but eastern stuff isn't a mountain of corpses were their ghost of those said corpses tell me what not to do , its more professional and mature. sometimes it feels like I have the talent to make a train and to run it but I have no idea how to slow it down.
>>41225709oh cut the shit, everyone knows to 'focuson breathing'.Specifically describe the meditative procedure for going from that shit to the shit we're actually on about here.
>>41225735>teachedThe proper conjugation is "taught".I'm not trying to give you a hard time, I'm trying to make the point that it's possible that you really don't understand western contemplative practices because you don't really understand how we think of verbs and acts and motions.
>avatarfagging on /x/ Shameful display
>>41225727And here I thought all mortal things were merely borrowed. It is for the body to want, and for all my desire to stay idle. My hypocrisy is very real, or perhaps irony would be the right word.All things considered, how are you fairing?
>>41225757You are literally the last person in this entire galaxy I'd listen to about anythong like this.Your childish perception is startlingly embarrassing.Like damn nigga, have some shred of self-respect.
>>41225735all of this to say , one could call me the best example of a dumb hot headed westerner only good enough to know how to hurt himself and nothing more , to dumb headed to really improve fundamentals, hell to even know what is really a fundamental , as he seems something cool and follows it until he gets distracted by something else or horribly dies.the closets thing that I have to a master* , told me some time ago that I really do just need to look into medication as a balancing part , but I think I ignored the main point of the advice by mixture of wierd principle and 21 century westerner pride.she is to some degree extremely untrustwordy , I won't even tell you the context since its pretty bad , but I do still trust a lot of her sincere wisdom. what would you do if a westerner went to the very same waters that you do , but not only do they not know how to swim , they might know how to unswim.do I just kind of hope I can fix my problems of wisdom eventually and just carry on my weird situation , or is their something more reliable that I could try to manage my risk. everything that I do and I have done , I think has an element of something before be calling me a dumbass and a fool , and while I understand why and its a fine call , I know better so I have to be stubborn and keep going , this repeats for most walks on life but a very puzzling exception is from the people who could achieve 4 stage Jhana , well achieved Buddhists but also people similar from them. , every time I try to simulate their criticism from my perspective , they seem to have some kind of point.a point that I need to understand , or at least it feels it so.but I don't have any idea what that point is , and I can't just give it all up , so I keep going with a big hole , a big vulnerability.what is your opinion on this OP.
>>41225743part as to why I want to ask OP for thier opinion desu. its less than I understand it and more that I seem to have a six sense to not hurt myself during it.its less that I am a super talented occultist that gets everything right and more that I can read the mountain of corpses to help me guide my way , to some degree I am also using my own corpses , because I am not really ok it has all been a long journey of time and intentional mutilation to achieve transformation , stubbornness and knowing how to use my weaknesses , I did use to speak way better , but I had to exacerbate a natural degradation for something that I needed which was useful.it would be not be wrong to say , I saw a that my tongue had a limp in one place , and I used that place to break it whole , because I needed it at the moment , unfortunately it is what it is. was fun in the moment at least. I should probably try to restore my language when I get the chance though, good use of spelling is very usefull and I might not get the time in the future otherwise , my adventures with normal occultism aren't bees and rainbows , but to some degree , despite not having many people to talk to , and maybe people to ask for help , I don't really feel alone and that makes me know I am safe to some extent.but I don't really feel safe when talking about eastern stuff , but I know that if I trully fuck around and find out in this part , I might just get immediately get nocked down to never recover.Buddhist stuff or just well made eastern stuff as a whole , doesn't really have the crutch that I used to keep myself warm and safe.the kind of culture that is mainly a hinderance for normal people , basically a trap in western stuff ,for me a housebut I don't have this crutch for eastern stuff and as such it surely most be respected way more.of course it most be respected way more. that's why I wanted to ask OP for some guidance , I most of the time really can't talk to someone like him
>>41225833wrong pic , sorry , although if you knew the tread it was in , you would understand me a little bit more and a whole lot less.it was a very lowcow treath for me.
>>41225743>>41225787>>41225787>>41225833>>41225842That being said , I apologise if I seemed kind of retardedly narcicistic when I talked about western stuff , I was just focused on getting OP to really understand my thoughts. Anon.
>>41225888The problem isn't wandering. It's leaning to be contented with it. You seem however to be concerned with devising a method to get to a place that you yourself cannot fully envision. In many stories however, they simply chose a direction and started walking.
>>41225096gatekeepers are the worst and will always do more harm than good. fuck off.
>>41226127Okay, you want something more remedial. What kind of change in yourself are you trying to find that you think I am keeping from you? You think I know you better, than you know yourself? I'm not gatekeeping anything. I gave you an easy answer. You want something made just for you? A tailor needs to measure.
>>41225096I'll pass, but thanks for the offer.
>>41225096what siddhis have you attained?
>>41225156>its a form of meditationwell it didnt take you too long to fail itt
>>41225288>Without awareness of it's dangerousfailure againwithout awareness it wont even take placeyou should just stop larping as if you have achieved these things
>>41225363>Reminder i don't think i archive even jhana level 1. ok at least you admit this>But knowing these techniques help me alot in developing my mindbut then again this is not an intellectual pursuit
>>41225736olfactoryanon has explained this many a time here for you allbut I've got to leave the house for now
>>41225735การฝึกสมาธิที่ถูกไม่ใช่การพยายามบังคับให้จิตเป็นไปแบบใดแบบหนึ่ง แต่คือการตระหนักรู้ถึงสภาวะที่จิตเราเผชิญอยู่ แรกเลยแกต้องฝึกการตระหนักรู้ภึงผัสสะต่างๆของร่างกาย ฝึกจิตให้อยู่กับเนื้อกับตัว สังเกตุการเปลี่ยนแปลงความรู้สึกต่างๆของเรา เมื่อทำบ่อยๆจิตแกถึงจะเริ่มมีพลัง หลังจากนั้นแกถึงจะเริ่มเข้าสู่ญาณขั้นแรกนั้นคือการแยกรูปออกจากนาม ซึ่งจะทำได้แกต้องฝึกแยกรูปออกจากรูป แยกนามออกจากนามเสียก่อน อย่างเช่น แกต้องสังเกตดูว่าการเดินหนึ่งก้าว มีกิริยาบทอะไรบ้างเกิดขึ้น มองให้ละเอียดให้ถึงขั้นเหมือนภาพslow motion. มองความรู้สึกว่าความรู้สึกแต่ละอย่างต่างจากอีกอย่าง ก่อนหน้านี้อย่างไร ลองแบมือให้สุด แกจะรู้สึกถึงความตึงของกล้ามเนื้อมือ เมื่อกำมือ จงดูว่าความรู้สึกตึงมือหายไป
นี่คือความต่อเนื่องของเหตุและผลของรูปต่อรูป นามต่อนาม รูปหนึ่งเป็นสาเหตุของอีกรูปหนึ่ง นามหนึ่งเป็นสาเหตุของอีกนามหนึ่ง แกต้องเข้าใจสิ่งพวกนี้ด้วยตัวเองจริงๆ ไม่ใช่อ่านเอาจากสิ่งที่ฉันพิมแล้วคิดเอาเองว่าจิตแกเข้าสู่สภาวะนี้แล้ว แกไม่สามารถบรรลุผญาณได้ด้วยการอ่านการฟังว่าญาณคืออะไรและทำยังไง แกต้องลงมือฝึกด้วยตัวเอง เมื่อทำแบบนี้จนขำนาญแล้วแกจะเข้าสู่ญาณระดับที่สอง นั้นคือการเข้าใจที่มาของรูปและนาม เหมือนแกเพิ่งจะเจอเด็กถูกทิ้งไว้กลางป่าแล้วแกก็เริ่มสงสัยว่าเด็กคนนี้มาจากไหน ตอนนี้แกต้องฝึกพิจารณาว่ารูปก่อกำเนิดมาจากรูปก่อนหน้าอย่างไร นามนี้มาจากนามก่อนหน้าอย่างไร จากนั้นก็ฝึกพิจารณาว่ารูปสัมพันธ์กับนามอย่างไร และนามสามารถมีปฎิสัมพันธ์กับรูปอย่างไร
เมื่อจิตแกเข้าใจทะลุปรุโปร่งแกก็สามารถแยกรูปออกจากนามได้ เมื่อถึงขั้นนี้แกก็จะทุกข์น้อยลงมาก กายแกอาจป่วยแต่จิตแกไม่ได้ป่วยไปด้วย เพราะแกฝึกแยกมันออกจากกันได้ แต่ทั้งหมดในเป็นแค่ญาณระดับที่สองเท่านั้น อกขะเข้าใจความสัมพันธ์ทั้งหมดของการกระทำและความรู้สึก แกสามารถจำได้ว่าตัวเองทำอะไรบ้างในแต่ละวันโดยไม่หลงลืม จากนั้นแดก็พร้อมสำหรับญาณระดับที่สาม ยั้นคือการเห็นการเกิดและดับของทั้งรูปและนาม แกจะเห็นว่าพวกมันเป็นสิ่งที่ไม่จีรัง และเปลี่ยนแปลงอยู่เสมอ จากนั้นจึงเข้าสู่ญาณระดับที่4 คราวนี้แกจะเห็นแต่การดับของรูปและนาม จิตแกจะเร็วมากจนข้ามขั้นตอนการมองเห็นการเกิดไปและเห็นแต่การดับของทุกสิ่งแทน แกจะเห็นว่าสรรพสิ่งล้วนดับสิ้น ไม่มีสิ่งใดมีตัวตนอยู่จริง
>>41226866หากพระพุทธเจ้าทรงตัดสินตนเองด้วยความผิดของตนเอง พระองค์ย่อมเป็นต้นเหตุแห่งบาปมิใช่หรือ? กฎแห่งธรรมชาติเกิดจากพยานผู้ฝ่าฝืนกฎเหล่านั้นการฝ่าฝืนครั้งแรกเรียกว่าอะไร?พระพุทธเจ้าทรงเรียกพระองค์เองว่าอะไร?
>>41227126ต้นเหตุแห่งกรรมดีและชั่วคือเจตนาของผู้กระทำต่อผู้อื่นและตนเอง แม้เจ้าของกรรมนั้นจะตัดสินตัวเองอย่างไรก็ไม้มีผลต่อกรรมที่จะทำงานไปของมันในอนาคต กฎแห่งกรรม และการเวียนว่ายในวัฎสังสารมีอยู่ก่อนนานแล้ว ไม่ว่าจะมีพระพุทธเจ้าหรือไม่มี
>>41227149Hey remember me? Then you know I'm credible. ASMR synesthesia is chi energy. People are under a psychological mind fuck spell to not realize it. Break the spell. Get ASMR chi energy
>>41225096explain the enlightenment process
>>41227888Checked. Chi energy makes light. I've heard scientists call it bioluminescence. Meditate ASMR and the spirit will teach you everything you need to know and speaking of knowing how do you people not know or realize this? Like what you do think it's the same feeling you get when you hear a scary ghost story? It's spirit energy moron and yes you can start to glow and even exude light if you get enough of it.
>>41225096Why do my skettios keep making lightning?
Which Tea is prefered to Meditation?
>>41228769>I learned to create visual hallucinations>it's perfect for self-delusionno, just, noman, there's just no words to correctly describe how cringe this isfrom a spiritual perspective>hey shimmy, gimme a cheese with nothinwhich is way more about seeing things as they really are instead of wallowing in delusionsinb4 >but I can do things the way I wannayou cant make real progress in this way
>>41229620Ever does the Buddhist palm lay upon it's face.That much has never changed.
>>41227149What is the canon with regard to time?Can time be undone, rewritten? Not merely forgotten.
>>41225096how did you experience it the first time? were you alone?
>>41225096oohh, someone read the Visuddhimagga.
>>41229649Time is endless. That's why all animals are stuck in samsara endless. Even the universe was end it will begin a new. We vall it's 1 gulpa. Buddha accumulate good karma for many gulpa to archive buddhahood
>>41225096/bant/ cat, is this type of meditation associated with Pure Land Buddhism and is there a simple chant to go with it? a kind lady at a southeast asian food store gave me some prayer beads along with instructions for a chant that began with Amitahba O but I forgot the rest.
>>41231991Yes we did that hereเราสวดภาวนาทุกวันด้วยบทสวนภาษาบาลีที่มีที่มาจากพระไตรปิฏก อย่างไรก็ตาม บทสวดเป็นแค่วิธีในการโน้มน้าวจิต จงฝึกสมาธิวิปัสสานา เพื่อนพิจารณาให้เห็นความไม่ดีเมี่ยงของสรรพสิ่งด้วยตนเอง
>>41225096OP is a Chinese nationalist and an unrepentant racist who uses Buddhism as a smokescreen for hating everything non-Asian, he attacks Christians for persecuting non-Christians but defends 969 for doing the exact same thing. He has a surface level understanding of Buddhism in general but because he's racist he automatically thinks he knows everything about it by virtue of being Asian and that westerners can't possibly know anything about it without being taught by a superior Asian like himself (while lecturing westerners on Christianity at the same time). He is the last person anyone should be treating as an authority on anything and should stop posting until he turns 18.Also he's a furry and that's reason enough to ignore everything he says.
>>41232029969 did not do the same dame thing like crusaders of christian . Jihad of islam and genocide of jews for middle east.Buddhist in burma defence themselves from Muslims invaders. Not go out to take lands of others. That's huge difference 180 degrees . Buddhism was destroyed by mongol Muslims before. And now they try to destroy us again in burma and south of Thailand
>>41232023I see, thank you. I believe any kind of meditation is good for the mind. Also, is it inappropriate to have and use a laughing buddha salt shaker? It seems a bit culturally appropriating but it holds like 75ml of salt and looks better on my table than my regular salt shaker. I also have my small cat salt shaker but Salty is kind of small so I usually only use her for holidays and stuff.
>>41232068969 is only one example, a quick Google search tells us that there are many historical examples of Buddhist violence and oppression (usually whitewashed by Buddhists like you're doing now). Why do you lie and say it's only Christians who do this? Aum Shinrikyo is fundamentally Buddhist, are you going to start defending killing random people with nerve gas now?
>>41232120I don't know much about those things. I think it's kinda too much. It's Buddhism commercial. >>41232145Nope i don't find any war made by Buddhist. Except in Sri Lanka. Which actually it's was made by nationalism extremely not by Buddhism because in the core text of Buddhism. They are not allowed this things unlike Christian and Muslims also jews. They have exception. They can kill if their god want. Results in endless wars and genocide.
>>41225096You're the guy I want to have extremely aggressively dominant sex with because of your fursuit.
>>41232509>>>/bant/23416877
>>41232023just put the translation in you lazy shit>here I'm going to make this amazing argument>SYDRFKJWE<MNRWYDFKSDF<WEHQWE(FKSDNFWKEHR>yeah figure it out
>>41225709You haven't entered nirvana. I hope you know claiming you are enlightened when you're not has such significant karma you probably never will
Hi OP Buddhist practicioner here, I don't think you know very much about meditation or kasinas. I have been on Kasina retreats>>41226866He's telling people to do vipassana meditation here during kasina meditations which are a form of Samatha meditation, this tells me he doesn't actually I enter jhanas. No jhanas no wisdom as the suttas say.
>>41233812>He's telling people to do vipassana meditation here during kasina meditationsnow that's funnyI cba to go translate the shit, OP should be doing that himself
I don't know much about Jhanas, I guess I will study that next. But I've been studying the 10 Stages Sutra of the Avatamsaka Sutra. It's awesome. Really good study material. So you practice going thru the stages rather than the Jhanas. I don't know much about Jhanas. The only thing weird about it is it says you can walk thru walls at the third out of 10 Stages. I guess that used to be beginner shit?
>>41233961half these samahdis described, I wouldnt call samahdi at all
>>41233776When did i say i already enter nirvana? This is why i hate the West. They full of their own ego. Their ego smell really terrible even they claim they interesting in religious You are a lotus under water that Envy me . You hate that i have superior religion. Unlike your useless and barbarian religion. Until now you still can't stopped your evil ego. You are like พระเทวทัต train meditation to do bad karma. All his power are gone since he committed bad verbal karma.>>41233812I told person A about kasina meditation. How to archive jhan And told B person about vipassana mediation to archive jhana. Do you confuse between jhana and jhan ? And when did i said i have jhana ? >>41233961อย่าสับสนระหว่าง ญาน กับ ฌาณ
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>>41225114OP answered wrong so here's the correct answer. Jhana is when your mind calms down enough to produce a physical sensation of the body calming in certain ways as well, with a pretty clear 'gear shift' between each jhana.1st jhana is when your mind becomes non-scatterbrained enough for your attention to congeal onto the body, producing a pleasant energetic feeling.2nd jhana is when that energy calms down, producing a more chill feeling.3rd jhana is when the mind becomes content enough for that chill to become more diffuse, kinda like "couch-lock" to use stoner terminology.4th jhana is when the mind is chill enough to stop clinging to positive as well as negative feeling. The body becomes flushed with sort of a cool sensation. You can chill far more than this, but this is the point where it feels sufficiently chill to stay there for a while.
>>41234275just put the translation in you lazy faggot
>>41234310Also worth noting that although this is correct, jhana can sound different sometimes because it doesn't always happen at the same power level, kinda like a car crawling along in 1st gear vs flooring it in 1st gear. 1st jhana can range from having your body flushed with a pleasant sensation at the low end, to being absorbed into a brilliant light and having all perception of the outside world blasted away at the high end.
>>41234310Take your murderer meme chud out from my Buddhism images it's disgusting And no my answer already corrected Jhana ( not jhan) can be archived by vipassana mediation. And it's strong form of meditation that focus on realising the truths of everything. And to gain 1st jhana you must start by focus on form and names. To divine both of them. And to do that you must training your mind about self awareness first. Senses of your body. And slowly start to divide form from forms . Name fom names.
>>41232509I am not your sex toy
>>41233812>>41234371Ok I read the translations and although I still think OP's definition of jhana is somewhat questionable or just too narrow, I am interested in the technique because I started doing kasina meditation recently using this orb (though usually different colors). Does this look like a good object of kasina meditation or would you recommend something else? How long do you have to do it to get the stronger effects? I've been doing 2 hours a day but am doing a week long retreat soon
>>41234501You should not train it by yourself without monks as your teacher because it's very dangerous. I suggest you train vipassana mediation to archive jhana. It's safe and easier. You willl understand everything clearly even you will not get much miracles power like kasina meditation. If you ask me i don't think people in ancient era have orb like that. They use something very natural like fire or earth. Or Air. Find a monk and ask him.
>>41234573My vipassana practice is advanced enough to create a persistent sense of liberation and restfulness all day and I and have enough experience with concentration to know when to back off and take it easy so not worried about safety. Got a headache with kasina the first try but solved it and haven't had an issue since. How would an air kasina work? Don't you need something visible to look at?
>>41234573I thought you were of Amaterasu?Or so the shinto had suggested. Han huh?Still I tire of dogma. I want original thoughts, and contentment... Despite what the Buddhist say. They are certainly the hipsters of spirituality, coming all this way and working so hard only to profess carelessness.Lastly I had asked if time could be undone, not if it was endless. There are many types(categories) of endless. When it comes to the subject of immutability, if you hold that there is no free will, that it is an illusion, so be it. But I would ask that you state it clearly.
>>41225709>Jhana are more dangerous.stop speculating
>>41225787for the reader, this is another one of those "dont be this guy" postsfor the writer, the baseline is stillnessfor stillness to happen, mind and body need to be quietrefining breath quiets the body and nerve potentialsfrom there it is the cultivation of awarenessawareness is paramountfrom awareness springs forth the depths of stillness progressing to the spark of samahdionly by properly conditioning oneself does this happen at all, much less many times, much less returning like absolute clockwork every day
>>41227888its pretty much thisenlightenment requires making samahdi manifest, and eventually to the point where it is constantly manifestthere are several paths to the topthe mind-only approach just requires superlative cultivation of awareness>>41237725>for stillness to happen, mind and body need to be quiet>refining breath quiets the body and nerve potentials>from there it is the cultivation of awareness>awareness is paramount>from awareness springs forth the depths of stillness progressing to the spark of samahdi>only by properly conditioning oneself does this happen at all, much less many times, much less returning like absolute clockwork every day
>>41229649the perception of time is personal to each observerwhen samahdi is manifest, no progression of time is perceivedno matter how long, its like you're there for some moment of indeterminate length
>>41234501you should not be doing kasina unless you are following it up with stillnessand then shuigong rubbing the meridians on the head, eyes, face and such
>>41227888Orbanon here - it's pretty simple. You exercise your ability to perceive the impermanence, unsatisfactoriness, and non-self nature of all perceptions at the bare sensate level. Once you're good enough at that then probably during a meditation session, all sense perceptions will cease momentarily, and your entire experience along with them. It will seem instantaneous because there is nobody there to experience the gap. When you come back, a substantial portal of dukkha will not, ever. Your mind will be relatively unclenched and you can perceive non-self at will rather than requiring hacky vipassana techniques like Noting. That's stream entry. I can't explain much beyond that because that's as far as I've gotten.>>41237772Will look into rubbing meridians. I always try to end it at a still equanimous stage of meditation so all good there.
>>41237888zazen and shamatha are basically similar thingskasina is a concentration tech, it shouldnt be done by beginners, learn the foundational stuff firstjhana are meditative outcomes from proper practice
>>41237888I cant see how anyone meditates for anything resembling an extended period of time in that posturepart of the reason for full lotus is that it is highly stable
>>41237983yeah it kinda seemed like a position you could get up quickly from if need bezen monks sit traditionallyif you want a real shortcut, just draw a warm bath and lay back in it so that the water is against the eardrumslearn to breathe completely silentlyyou cannot sniff the air, you must move the gutstransition in between inhale and exhale seamlessly with no interruptionscarry what you learn to seated meditationif you can feel air then your olfactory nerve is wiggling and creating neurological potentials and contributing towards the noise level of your mind
>>41234371can reincarnation cycle be escaped while still alive?
>>41225096What type of trance do I need to be in to apply an infinite amount of rubber bands to the watermelon without it bursting?
>>41240713>>41239395Better ask me in this thread. I would like to cancel this thread
>>41240819>I would like to cancel this threadI mean really, you open with wanting to talk about things you never achievedhow can you a furry say you are not delusional?
>>41241616How many people have ever walked on the moon? So everyone on Earth has no right to speak or talk about walking on the moon. according to your logic Humans have no right to talk about space travel because no one has actually gone there. Is that so?Once again, the putrid stench of your ego continues with one more day of bad verbal karma.That is your karma, not mine.
>>41241663youre an low IQ idiot
>>41241682Another bad verbal karmaAnguli Mara is also a smart person. But he is also a thief. Devadatta was wise and attained the highest level of Dhamma. But ended up falling into Naraka.IQ will not free you from samsara. Good Karma and Meditation And the Eightfold Path does that
>>41241663lol you think redirecting the discussion away from yourself effectively wiggles you out of the position you have put yourself in ittthen like a true hypocrite you make another thread with more disparaging remarks, while talking out the other side of your mouth shit talking people making disparaging remarksclean thy mirror, furfaggot
>>41241880> while talking out the other side of your mouth shit talking people making disparaging remarksI think the only person who does that here is you.I started a new thread because I switched to using a translation program which helps me communicate better. Do I have to ask permission from a Nazi like you first?
>>41225096This guy doesn't know what he's talking about. I've worked with high level Buddhist practicioners and actually verifiably achieved jhanas. I think this guy learns from chatgpt
>>41242234Really amazing. You probably used jhana to find out about this debate on the internet, right? You know that this thread exists.
>>41242221>no utypical plebbitor
