any recs on positions I should take during the tapes?

What's the difference between side A and B of the first wave?

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I finally achieved focus 10. the key is to really use the built up relaxation inside your head/brain and spread it to that body part when he tells you to relax and to also let go of it, and when you're worrying, don't overthink, just let go

TIME TO RUUUUUUUUUUUUN

>>41756206
indeed

>>41755374
good you finally get it anon

>>41755316
afaict, they're the same
I usually prefer the other version as well, a lot less artifacts in the track

>>41754754
because I use bulky headphones, its always lying chest up, but it really doesn't matter

hello?

what are the focuses past 10 like?

For the life of me I just can't get things to work. I hardly can tell if I'm doing Focus 10 correctly or not and in all the other exercises such as the question ones i just don't get anything back. I'm trying really hard but I just don't get anything meaningful back. I don't eve know what its supposed to feel like to compare it all to.

Slightly off topic but Monroe had the astrological configuration for this (Moon-Neptune conjunction - is the one that stuck in my head, might be others as well). So if you have ths config anons, you might be the chosen ones to enter and roam the astral

>>41756206
why? where?

>>41756206
There isn't a more better AP themed song

>>41760489
see bottom link at OP

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>>41759446
I feel like labeling "states" like that was probably detrimental to most people.
But either way, F10 is just letting your body sleep while retaining conscious, beyond that you can reach several states alike, hypnogogia, sleep paralysis, or just all out OBE.

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>>41759541
Do you do astrological readings? If so I would be interested in some.
I'm Aquarius and usually people just say that I'm out of this world, so I can always relate.

Coincidentally, on one of those tapes where we get answers, I got the feeling that I am from Pleidan origin, for whatever that means.
(pic related, just amusing picture found in that big torrent archive)

>>41761004
I don't cause I'm no expert but I've been researching stuff. Also, I'm gonna get shit on but AI is good at symbolism and patterning and can give you a good read and help you understand why.

Just go to astro seek and copy the birth chart configurations table specifically for AI - don't just feed it your chart or whatever it's too dumb to read it correctly. You can also do question based or targetted reading. It will give you a good start and even though it becomes repetitive and old at a point, it will help you get a grasp on basic energy/symbolism.

Thanks. This is one the few good threads on this board.

>>41761004
I haven't reached that tape with answers, what tape is that? I voluntarily stuck myself at the Sleep tape, because I feel like I need to master Focus 10 first and that tape is one of the silent ones where I can focus internally, buzzing, etc.

Should I just continue? It gets me so frustrated if he starts talking about stuff that I can't replicate (like the one where you supposedly OBE and float like a log and I cannot do it in the moment it feels like the frustration sets me back so I don't advance)

What is happening?

It seems that after 15-20 minutes or so, I am able to relax my body and mentally detach. My closed eye "vision" becomes scattered and I feel a buzzying inside, a bit of electrical in nature and like my body starts vibrating and feels lighter.

The thing is, my eyes start to flutter and roll back - in doing so, they start opening even with eye bands and stuff on them to keep them closed. I don't know what is going on, is it a good sign? Am I on the right track and how do I keep my dumb eyes closed. I think it would ruin it if I let them open even by half, like a crazy dude in a trance with the white of their eyes visible

>>41762568
don't think, just remain in the state. let go

>>41762328
Which AI to use? I might do just that, as I haven't much luck in getting readings on here.

>>41762371
There are two tapes, "five questions" and "five messages", I think I got that answer on the former, second time I was trying it too.

>because I feel like I need to master Focus 10 first
First thing peopl need to always do is read the texts, the readme and and associated booklets with each disk.
>like the one where you supposedly OBE and float like a log and I cannot
yes that's the exploration sleep tape, it was a favorite of mine because you can just use it to sleep.
But anyway, I never got to "turn like a log" either, even though I used to get a really floating feeling with it, but regardless, most of the time I just slept through it.
Still I feel like I don't get far with it, but I've had OBE and other experiences, and even some weird stuff in following tapes...
so to sum it up, no, you shouldn't get stuck in any tape
people expectations are a bit excessive, one might think you should already be having a OBE experience at that point, but maybe the tape's goal is to just prepare as one might feel become just slightly detached. just let whatever experience may come to you happen, don't expect it.

>>41762568
>and I feel a buzzying inside, a bit of electrical in nature and like my body starts vibrating and feels lighter
Yes, that's very good. Get used to the vibrations, enjoy them.

>my eyes start to flutter and roll back - in doing so, they start opening
Now that I don't know, never happened to me, but again everyone is different, just go with whatever happens.
I never had to make an effort to keep my eyes close either way, you shouldn't be doing that.

the tapes don't work
you ahve a better chance to AP if you huff glue like Monroe unironically did

the technology to induce altered states is still stuck at the drug stage
other than them, no amount of sensory modulation will disturb the coherence of billions of neurons

tl;dr: huff anesthetics

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>>41754068
Tyrosine helps but it can make your dreams rather dark.

I've tried so long to get into F10 but I am hyper-sensitive to my body. There is no way my body could sleep while my mind is awake because I can feel even the slightest pressure/impulse of my nerves. For instance I have very strong haptic memory. For me to enter a state where I do not feel my physical body is very difficult. I had come close once but my mind also was drifting to sleep when I snapped out of it and realized how close I was to that state.

So what I've been doing instead since then is simply using these tapes in order to just concentrate on my Phosphenes and Closed-Eye Visualizations (CEVs) while listening to the tapes. In doing so I can sometimes conjure up certain answers to questions that I ask internally.

For instance I have started holding a random playing card in my hand, while running the tapes and using my CEVs to paint me the suit and value of the card I'm holding. So far the closest I've gotten is seeing a 3 of diamonds in my CEV while holding a 2 of diamonds in my hand. I've been able to correctly get the right suit 5/7 times. So far no bull's eye. But these CEVs are hard to interpret. If you've ever tripped on acid or lots of good hash/mushrooms, then you know how quickly visuals can morph in and out of states, now imagine with minimal light.

>>41766369
same advice as above:
>>41763294
>First thing people need to do is always read the texts, the readme and and associated booklets with each disk.
hoping you're actually not the same anon

So haven't been have much time to do any, however I've been reading on Monroe's book and got a lot to talk about it

>>41754068
https://youtu.be/0m8-FO2eGS8

>>41767671
>hoping you're actually not the same anon
What do you mean?

>>41770501
like what? I haven't read it but I'm curious what interesting points he raises

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>>41771998
>What do you mean?
That you're not the same anon, literally asking the same question again. But I digress.

>like what?
So for starters, from what I can gather there must around 12 years of reports before this first book. And its very interesting to see how he develops through them.
Even if its just slightly advancing from one trip to the other, it could have taken weeks if not months from one report to another, so it really gives you a time frame that you really can't just dive into this new world.
He also happens to be very analytical and objective with the reports which I can really appreciate being a rarity in /x/ related themes.

Its also very interesting to see that he describes pretty much the ethereal and astral dimensions word for word (named locale I and locale II).
I would love to know whoever made the infographs if the sources correlate, but besides that its been known from different sources what is what, somewhat of a common knowledge between astral travelers without them having actual relationship in the physical.

One such description was quite revealing:
>In Locale II, reality is composed of deepest desires and most frantic fears. Thought is action, and no hiding layers of conditioning or inhibition shield the inner you from others, where honesty is the best policy because there can be nothing less.

>This implies that the areas of Locale II “nearest” the physical world (in vibratory frequency?) are peopled for the most part with insane or near-insane, emotionally driven beings. For the most part, this seems to be true. They include those alive but asleep or drugged and out in their Second Bodies, and quite probably those who are “dead” but still emotionally driven.

>This near area, quite understandably, is not a pleasant place to be. It is a level or plane where you “belong” until you learn better. I don’t know what happens to those who don’t learn. Perhaps they stay there forever.

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>>41772340
This description sounded awfully familiar to the concept of purgatory, or the "cruzar o Umbral", as I learned some decades ago.

>Aside from the tormentors and the several outright conflicts noted in the following reports, the principal motivation of these near inhabitants is sexual release in all forms. If considered as the product of recent civilizations–including those both “alive but sleeping” and “dead”–it is quite simple to understand the need for release from repression of this basic need. The key is that all those in this near section attempt sexuality in terms of the physical body. There is no recognition or knowledge of the sex drive as it is manifested in more distant parts of Locale II. With the lingering conditioning of our own society, it was difficult to avoid participation at times, as response was automatic. Hopefully, one learns to control this factor. Like attracts like.

This part is particularly interesting, as not only feels like a confession from Monroe, it shows some of the pitfalls we may get in ourselves.
I for one am split, if would not wish to participate myself, or let it go to be able to reach higher dimensions.

>To date, I have not observed the death process in any experiments. However, the conclusion that some form of existence in Locale II follows life activity in the known physical world goes beyond conjecture.

He also goes into a lot more on later reports, but what he describes is pretty much what we see in the movie pic related. Which also happens to just a post mortum biography, received by one of the most famous mediums in the world, from Brazil.
Its not exactly a religion, but sort of a following called "espiritismo", and within it its kinda common knowledge that the spirits are taken by others in a sort of simulated realm to heal, and grow younger again. And you know, then following the reincarnation cycle.

>>41772394
Furthermore, when we dive into the tapes there are almost no explanation for anything, you don't know what to expect, even reading the booklets, we mostly have instructions and techniques. And reading through the reports actually shines a light over that matter.
Monroe had no tapes, nothing to start it from, and you can see how the "techniques" evolved and came from that, from experimentation over a fairly long time, to see what works and what is completely unrelated.
It becomes quite clear how it went from a strange hobby curiosity, to a life project, his contribution to the world.
And also, its somewhat clear that he had help, there is a chapter specifically devoted to these "helpers" that propped him up. For what reason and why him specifically, no one can tell. But I can take a guess.

Besides that it just is really interesting and inspiring, to read about all the amazing experiences he went through, and that we may experience as well by opening this door. Not all not fluff and hearts, some actually butt clenching.

>>41759540
>>41759540
Stop trying really hard, just follow the instructions. Focus 10 is simple, your mind is aware and awake while your body is fully relaxed. I don't like the "body asleep" description that Bob uses on the early waves. In later tapes made by other people, they use "body relaxed." Once you start trying hard with these tapes, it's hard to get relaxed enough for them to do their thing.

>>41772729
>I don't like the "body asleep" description that Bob uses on the early waves
You might not like it but it's pretty close to the sleep state including feelings of "waking up" when you get up.
>In later tapes the material is diluted by other people.
And it shows.

>>41772935
Different users have different experiences, it's great that body asleep works for you, body relaxed is what worked for me. I wasn't trying to steer anybody down an incorrect path, just sharing what worked for me. Also, I 100% agree that the later tapes are nowhere near as good as the original Bob tapes...

>>41770501
imo I've read the series 3 times at various points and you understand more the older you get

>>41772729
focus 10 is not trivial to get to

>>41773046
>focus 10 is not trivial to get to

I didn't mean to make it sound trivial, I was just trying to get anon to stop overthinking, it sounded like they just needed a nudge to stop overthinking things. Personally, I was all hung up on body asleep, I kept trying to feel my body's sleeping sensation and it took my mind off the bigger picture, and I saw a lot of my overthinking in anon's post. Once I achieved focus 10, it became simple to get to the state, because I got my mind to stop worrying about how the body felt and now I am now able to do the one breath and think of the number ten technique. I put my concerns in the energy conversion box, but they were popping out at the worst possible time. I am truly sorry if I upset anybody or sent anybody down an incorrect path, that was not my intention...

>>41773160
Nobody is upset anon, I'm sorry if I sounded harsh, the thing is, your body does get a sleep like sensation, you can notice it when on closure the voice asks you to stretch your limbs, and yeah, you are also right saying relaxed instead of asleep might make it easier to grasp for some, so it's valid as well, since I am >>41772935 I might as well clarify that my annoyance is not at you but to the gateway corporation, last update I noticed on the retarded shit about the android application, they now decided they don't mind all kinds of headsets, headphones, earphones etc... Monroe Sound Science 3D version(!!)....there was even some shit about atmos which they were later forced to retract.
So, yeah, it annoys me asf to see the direction it took after monroe departed.

Think I got the hang of F12 somewhat, want to try looking into F15 - is there anything from wave 3 and 4 that is close to mandatory for that? Looking at the pamphlets and it seems like it's early OBE stuff, remote viewing and miscellaneous helpful stuff

>>41773046
>focus 10 is not trivial to get to
It actually is, we need to remember that in many ways thought is action, but by thinking its something hard to get into, we make it so.

That being said, I often still find there isn't enough time to get into state, because I'm to distracted with whatever, in such cases I just rewind and do the countdown again.

I too feel that "body asleep" is a bit of a misnomer, if you take it literally, I've never felt like sleep paralysis just from the tape, and it really isn't what its meant to be.
F10 in a sense is just a regular state everyone passes through going to sleep, the only real difference is that you're keeping awake and aware beyond it.

>>41774034
No, F15 isn't even mentioned in Monroe's own tapes.

>>41754754
I actually lie down on my bed, earphones on comnected to desktop pc, and pillow under legs. I dont think you need to be upright

>>41772729
What helped me last night was using my own edits of the tapes to make them longer. I think the stress of needing to be in the correct state before the next part of the tapes makes me struggle to relax.
So I added a much longer opening and extended the time to get into focus 10 and i had much better results.

>>41775443
Hey I've actually thought about this and think it's brilliant. Any chance you could upload your extended version for us?

>>41775742
Sure, here's what I did. I did this for Free Flow 12 so you need to know focus 10 and 12.
>About 8 minutes of heavy wave ambience at the beginning before Hemi Sync
>Hemi Sync opening overlayed with the instrumental openings of original Wave 5, because they sound nice and also so you know hemi sync is starting
>Duration of noise after resonate tuning increased so its about 8 minutes instead of 3
>A gradual noise plays right before he says "Now in focus 10" so his voice isn't so startling

https://files.catbox.moe/2szxpe.mp3

>>41775774
I feel like I would sleep throughout this. Might I ask what do you even do on the free flow tapes?
I'll say I'm somewhat impressed, if you managed to seamlessly extend them, that's good effort.
Tho I'm not entirely sure the hemisync binaurals can work like that, but eh, if its working for you then good.

btw if you guys are just looking for a plain binaural to meditate to you could try OPs:
>>41754068
>Crafted harmonic binaural track

>>41775774
Thanks

>>41776520
Good idea as well!

>>41774946
I my last tries I have gotten into this state of not asleep but not awake but not conscious but it's not a click-out but it's not a nap

don't know what do do with it since again I lose my will during it

>>41754068
Thanks so much for getting me these tapes again guys. These tapes are legit.

>>41775774
I'm sorry to ask, could you do something like this for Advanced F15?

All this talk about tape this and tape that, now I'm trying instead is to into state by myself.
Today I did just that, after waking up but still feeling like sleeping more.
Did somewhat the same procedure while lying on my back, it took more time but I sort of got there. Felt like I got really distracted and zoned out a couple of moments.
But the big thing is, the vibrations, I felt them coming but only briefly, strangely when they start it kind feels like my breathing gets heavier and it takes me out of it.
I just kept counting and focusing on different things, the sensations kept coming and going, at some point I just lay on my side and let sleep come, however I just remained conscious in some way.
Its interesting as well though, I felt sure my body was somewhat asleep, I thought I was about to detach, it almost feels like your limbs are fumigating, which makes me question whether it was really asleep or just in a bad position, maybe both.
Then I just decided to get up, effortlessly no semblance of sleep paralysis at all either.

>>41755374
i cannot build up relaxation on my head/brain :'c. I can relax every limb and muscle tho.

I just happened to come across this (thanks hive mind), it might give you people some pointers.
https://www.reddit.com/r/gatewaytapes/comments/1q55y3i/a_generic_nonspiritual_persons_obe_and_how_i_got/

I still have to carefully read through, but from a quick glance, I notice he mentions the loud noise, this reminded me of a time where I heard a deafining high pitch sound, I think this was when I experienced actual OBE as well. I need to check later if its in my notes.

The last time I tried the tapes I felt like really sick, will try again in a bit

when you focus10 so hard you're snoring and clicking out
only reason I knew I didn't just fall asleep was because was repeating a mantra.

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>>41754068
anyone have the lucid dreaming collection? or know where to get it

>>41755374
I can only reach focus 10 and that's about it. I never had visions or anything

>>41780229
Same, but I have kept trying to do it on my own and I'm hopeful that in time I will get it. I get the fuzzy vibrations every time 20 minutes in, it seems to come in waves so once I lose it once, I have to wait another 20 minutes or so

>>41780828
If you mean the one from Monroe Inst.
Yeah its in the big collection torrent (OP), and btw I've using it for a while, I'd love to hear someone else's experience with it.

>>41781157
How strong are the vibrations when you experience it? Haven't you managed to do anything with them yet?
The ones I got who were the real deal, were pretty much unintentional but really strong. Compared to those I only got brief ones.

>>41754068
I listened to the gateway taoes a few times and we able to achieve focus 10 and a (I think) on a few occasions. I deeply desire to leave my body for a short time, to replicate the feeling and confirm or deny if I was able to do it as a child like I think.
The trouble is every time I would get close to leaving my body (that feeling of shaking or toggling between two states at a low frequency like 2-4 hz) it would freak the fuck out and throw off my headphones or do something else. After some reading I came to the conclusion that my body is deeply afraid of being parted with my spirit for whatever reason and will fight to keep it. According to the literature psychological trauma seems to have that effect. So eventually I gave up. That, and, I am deeply afraid of and against being hypnotized, and there appeared to be a couple times where I had gaps in my memory of listening to the tapes, as though I had slipped into a hupnotic state temporarily. Not sure if that is intended or not, but I decided better not risk it.
The Monroe Institute does still offer those gateway retreats. If I could find someone a trusted to go with me I would do one. They're about $2500 and last like 4 days or something.

>>41781397
Has anybody been to those retreats? It would be so rad if they also offered some...psychedelic trips

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>>41754068
does any anon have an extended "free flow" style mp3 that they could post? thank you fellow explorers.