Post all things related to baton and knife fighting.https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Arnis
>>187193Only baton and knife? No espada or bolo or tabak-toyok or sarong? No mano mano? What a shit thread.
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>>187198>>>187193>No empty hands>No swordsI practice Kali but have Karate and Muay Thai as my empty hand fighting set. What I am curious about is Yaw-Yan. A style, kinda like Muay Thai, but born out of interpreting Arnis strikes into kicks, punches, elbows, knees, backfist and forearm strikes. I suggest watching youtuber Monkey Steals Peach's series on Filipino martial arts from different arnis styles, one even focusing purely on sword fighting, to one episode about Yaw Yan. Here's a couple:>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v6xbma2naws&list=PLATiJy-JBH8FxzlmkGJ2dUy9XORuu1W8Y&index=11 (Blades)>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p32jJGoXpvc (Yaw Yan)You niggas should try swapping the baton for a metal or wood bolo trainer.
Semi-related cause I consider them batons, but what are you guys' thoughts on tonfa? They make expandable ones and I was thinking of picking up a pair. Seems hard to master but they appear to have and interesting mix of offense and defense.
>>187222I actually use a single tonfa instead of a baton for practice. Well not really a tonfa, it's those tonfa batons used by cops that I cut down to tonfa size. I use an aluminum sword trainer for practicing kali strikes but use the tonfa when practicing disarming techniques. Although I don't know how to use the tonfa in kobudo style, but since I have a karate background I just do karate blocks and punches while holding the tonfa the way it should be held for fun. Imagine the things you can do with the tonfa though with arnis strikes.>Hold tonfa in the far end with the side handle being at the striking end>#1 trike to the hand to disarm>Recover and #12 strike to the head with either the handle knob or the "edge" part>Then #2 rising diagonal strike to the leg but with the tonfa handle hooking the leg to pull the faggot out of balance>Stomp balls to tranify enemyIt might not play out that way but you can use that side handle to hook legs. also what if:>Dual wield tonfa and baton or machete>Tonfa serves as an impromptu shield>Can also serve as weapon when fighting becomes too close (punching, blocks like the age uke aimed to smack jaws like an uppercut with the forearm)I wonder why nobody bothered to think of pairing different weapons in kobudo like doing what I said but with a sai paired with a tonfa.
>>187224I love the concepts, makes me want to practice with some of that, in particular I've thought about the hooking/hammering being useful in addition to normal uses. Getting punched by a guy with a tonfa seems painful, especially if it's to the solar plexus, and being able to swipe leads to lots of options. Though for the reverse grip it would probably not work well with the retractable kind.
>>187259That side handle can be a handguard though. Specially with those metal retractable types. One of the tricks taught to me in kali is, since bolos usually don't have handguards more so with sticks, you slide your stick down theirs after parrying to smack their fingers to hurt and even disarm them. That side handle might give you some protection. Might even be used in disarming techniques.
Any FMA anons here have any ideas on how to use the nunchucks/tabak toyok? I'm considering buying one for fun. It's made out of rattan, joined together by paracord.
>>187193ultimately Filipino Martial arts are blades, the stick comes from the times Spain tried to ban the practice of sword fighting in the Philippines.
>>187457just watch clips of Bruce Lee vs. Dan Inosanto. You tube has fipinos doing Tabak toyok also.
>>189271Some Filipino Martial Arts had Spanish patronage like Cebuano Eskrima since it was taught by Jesuit Priests.https://youtu.be/4gJMoVKm82E?si=66Bn82YChyfAB9fk
>>189277iFMA is mixed with all sorts of knowledge, from India, China, Malaysia, France, and Spain, Don't forget Filipino warriors defeated the Spnish/Portuguese forces of Magellan, killing Magellan himself.
I know the question is dumb but how do I learn to use a weapon. A little sword or stick preferably. I already know how to fight with my body, striking and wrestling and even shooting guns but there is nothing to learn weapons here. Any tips?
>>189632Learn Kali or whatever sword fighting martial art maybe HEMA. >I already know how to fight with my body, striking and wrestling That sounds fucking awesome. I'm just starting to learn hand-to-hand. That can easily translate with distancing and timing, fucked up strikes with the handle, grappling with knives is fucking terrifying.
>>189676Sorry I forgot to precise there is no school of any kind in weapon training in my area. I want a few tech, may be youtube videos.
>>189632weapons and empty hand striking have the same principals. either strike first, or block and coiunter, or parry and counter. In the Filipino mindset, once you understand the weapons, empty hand becomes easier.
>>187193my journey in learning FMA comes from learning basic foil fencing first, then studying the Serrada style, then knife, and now I'm learning Largo Mano.
>>189680the best stuff I found on Youtube is from Paul Vunak and GM Darren Tibon. There are so many schools and styles like Bahala Na, Cabales Serrada, Pekiti Tirsia, Inosanto Blend, Kali Illustrisimo, Ilokano Kabaroan, Presas/Modern Arnis, Balintawak, and Garimot Arnis. Indosiam/Malaysian Silat can be considered part of the family of FMA also.
>>189680HHhhmmm......you should take anon's >>189706 advice. I'd first learn the: >12 basic strikes>Basic Blocks>2 sticks/swords (to make both your hands used to wielding weapons)>1 stick/sword (personal opinion: for practical use)Only then you go to specialty skills like disarming (better if you have a partner). Useful techniques and skills particular to the style. Sword and dagger. Specialty weapons (nunchucks or the palm stick/dulo-dulo), empty hands. Add Rapido Realismo Kali to the list of possible styles to learn from. If you don't have a partner consider building your own arnis dummy for practice. I'll put up some videos from the simplest to the most complicated homemade practice dummies to choose from. Consider buying both rattan sticks and a training bolo/sword. The rattan sticks might be better for practice with dummy but the sword will get you used to the weight and balance of actual swords and for better edge alignment practice.>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ladti1_H5Iw&t=1s>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0Yh5KAxTTbU>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M7bSk9Txi7cGood luck, anon.
>>189706>Paul Vunak>first video is called RAT fighting system
>>189757RAT means Rapid Assault Tactics. Vunake is a 2nd genration JKD students who came directly under Dan Inosanto, Dan and Bruce Lee were close friends, and Inosanto's expression of JKD is largely composed of various Filipino Martial Arts
>>187193FMA as a whole encompasses a complete warrior skillset from spears, staffs, swords ,, sticks knives to empty hand striking and ground fighting.
>>189846Kung Fu can make the same argument. I love FMA because it's dirt cheap, practical, devoid of fanciness (most of it anyway), and a local art. The fact that even locals think it's a crude barbaric and brutal art adds to the appeal for me.
>>189969Yes, Kung Fu/Wushu the rest of the Chinese Martial Arts, so with the Japanese and Okinawan Arts as a whole. They're all much stronger than the average person perceives them to be. FMA especially floats under the radar because Filipinos are not viewed as tough warriors. Most Filipinos who live in the US have no clue of the FMA except for the region surrounding Stockton ,Ca or Filipino communities in Hawaii .
>>189814*Vunak
>>189969What I don't understand is why people avoid learning weapons and concentrate on empty hand stuff so much. The logic of " what if I lose my weapon" is foolish. The reality is weapons training makes your empty hands better. FMA also prepares you more for when "What if the enemy has the weapon and you don't.
>>189731I took FMA from teachers under Inosanto blend and Jeet Kune Do. we focused on 5 angles, empty hand , knife, single stick, and double stick. The double stick training was mostly coordination drills. Single stick is where everyone should start. Responsible teachers will not show you knife until they can trust you
I'm gonna make a pair of tabak toyok out of a thick rattan baton sometime this week. I'm gonna fuck around with it and hit a tire. I hope I can translate my basic arnis skills from stick or sword to nunchaku.
Any of you practice any FMA empty hands, specifically grappling? I've seen Yaw-Yan and other FMA striking styles but never the bunohan/grappling.
>>191074I studied some Filipino dirty boxing which consists of elbows, wrist locks, and take down holds. I also want to find a Silat teacher, Silat is culturally the best compliment to Filipino weapons . I really don't like the vibe of Yaw-Yan, it feels too much like American Kickboxing mixed with Filipino commercialization.
>>187193>/AEKG/Why didn't you just go with /fma/ - Filipino Martial Arts like a normal person?
>>191905It's annoying how difficult it is to just refer to FMA by one name. The way I make sense of it all is most Northern FMA practioners call it Arnis. Practittioners from Visayas, Cebu, and Mindano will mostly call it Escrima, Then there is another group who will insist on calling it Kali because Escrima and Arnis are derived from spanish terms for fencing Escgrima and Arnis de Mano.
>>187221Yaw Yan is not a traditional Filipino Martial Art.. It's a modern hybrid creation like how Jeet Kune Do and American Kempo were created . In many ways it's much more of a brand, just by examining the name of it Yaw Yan means "The Dance of Death" It looks fun, and I see many of techniques do look effective, but it's a commercialized school practiced in westernized gyms. it's not traditional like the FMA which uses sticks, spears, wooden shields, swords, and knives
>>187193>is dancing an extreme sport?>>191722How much of FMA was preserved through dance? Does anyone still train it as a dance?
>>187193How do y’all feel about the indisputable fact that LARP groups produce the most technical stick fighters in America>>196796
>>196882The competitive FMA scene in CONUS isn't that big so some of the more athletic LARP groups end up being solid places to pressure test certain techniques against a larger pool of fighters on a more regular basis. Some of the more serious stickdorks do study FMA (and other disciplines) and apply that to their sport so it's definitely not a one-way exchange. Each format makes different compromises but short of actually killing your opponent with your baston you're going to have to sacrifice some realism for some partner safety.
Anyone tried doing Arnis using rice sickles or an axe?
>>198688I've applied baston and machete techniques and principles to hand axes in SCA heavy weapons fighting and to screwing around with hatchets innawoods by myself.
>>198753I need to practice with random weapons that aren't sticks, machetes, or knives. Who knows if I'll end up staying for a while in Japan. I heard sickles are readily available there for cheaps. I find they're "machete" a tad too smol. Probably useable still.
>>196876>FMA was preserved through danceI really want to know if anyone can interpret the actual hand to hand combat techniques from the "Maglalatik" dance. Supposedly it has trapping and grappling techniques in it.
>>198781>the "Maglalatik" danceHave any clean demo videos or photo sequences?
>>198781from what I've seen, Maglatik is a dance to familiarize target areas on the weak points of the enemies body armor, while other movements were just flourishes to hide it's martial arts application.
>>196882There are some Filipino masters that will straight up tell you study HEMA and it will improve your FMA. I was also told personally to study the movements of Mike Tyson.
>>198780>I need to practice with random weaponsI was talking with a guy years ago who said that when hanging out in his FMA friend circle they'd toss everyday objects to each other to pass around and brainstorm ways to weaponize them; e.g., with a roll of toilet paper you could toss it as a distraction, damage an eye by crushing the edge of the cardboard tube straight into it, stuff it in an open mouth to impede breathing, et cetera.
>>201449>Roll of Toilet PaperThat sounds fucking awesome.
>>187193What about european stick fighting styles like irish or that portuguese one?
There is a Modern Arnis place near me it's part of the Deutsche Arnis Verband. I'm interested in stickfighting and this is the only place near me but they don't do any sparring. What do you think guys?
>>203803Go for it! At least learn the basics of it.>No SparringI don't get this. Even the most obscure traditional style here still do sparring. Hell, they even make it into a game for festivals where you can win cash prizes (or livestock or whatever they have for prizes there). The catch is you have to fight on a long ass bench so that will limit your footwork. Points for limb shots, falling off the bench or losing your weapon is an automatic lose. Possibly as an exercise of their distinctive long range attacks of the style ("Larga Mano") that kind of looks like saber fencing in my opinion. I might be wrong though.>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SXvt3rutLdU
>>205523Nta. Looks like someone just applied an olympic fencing framework to it.
>>205523That looks really fun. I wish i could try that.
>>203107Current HEMA thread has a stick theme >>>/xs//hema/
>>203107You didn't even mention France's cane fencing which apparently is a part of Savate.
>>189989>The reality is weapons training makes your empty hands better.The opposite is also true, anyone learning empty hand striking or grappling is improving their knife skills greatly.
>>212550I guess, except sticks are faster than fists and have many more angles of attack than fists.
>>189989I come from a dojo that both teaches karate and arnis (and judo). I think I learned more how to actually use the katas from the arnis practice we have than karate training, specially the disarming methods. Our instructor would even use foot sweeps during disarming lessons to completely overwhelm someone. Tekki and Heian katas make so much more sense after practicing arnis.
>>203803I recognize this post from 3 weeks ago wtf
