im 6'1 weight about 109 kilos and plan to start may Thai next month what do you bros think?

>>195798
He’s fighting and beating Izzy in August at 305. Izzy doesn’t have that dawg in him anymore ever since he beat his final boss in Periera and got humiliated by Strickland. Gonna be in Australia too so I hope he gets booed again. Du Plessis is defending against Chimaev afterwards because Reddit Rob doesn’t stand a chance

>>195800
have fun and buy a jump rope

izzy mad cus hes actually african

>>195894
>305
Is UFC finally bringing in the Titanweight Weightclass?

>>195798
>>195894
I hate Izzy and and think that he's overrated, I also love DDP, but he absolutely drops DDP because DDP is sloppy. Izzy is a master at counterstriking.

>>196025
He was, but after getting KO'd he's gunshy now

>>196027
No he really isn't, unless Dricus bombs him pretty fast, he's going to win and be champ again

>>196025
>Izzy is a master at counterstriking.
And got pieced up by a guy with a 1-2 and a teep.

He'll fight again soon and beat that stupid fucking monkey nigger Adesanya with a metal baseball bat

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You guys turned your back on /heem/ for this? Shame

>>196271
this guy is going to eat a bullet any day now

>>196271
Why is he sad?

>>196280
cluster b disorder +CTE

>>196283
I hope they figure out how to treat CTE in the future, it's practically guaranteed that any fighter will get it so the sooner they figure it out the better

>>196284
I'm not sure there's anything to figure out. Aside from scifi tier stem cell regeneration pods it's just the result of accumulated damage
physical trauma kind of just is what it is

>>196286
If damage can occur then there must be a way to fix it. It will take a lot of money for research and time but some method must eventually surface to fix it.

>>196289
Just look at the way your body heals from things though, if something gets injured it just throes inflammation at the problem to recruit as much material as it can to patch it up like an old tire
If you ever break a bone it will reconnect but the signs of the injury will always be there
All the scars on your skin you get throughout your life

And the brain is an even more complex organ than any of that

>>196280
Thinken of knockouts...

>>196271
I can see this guy banned by every major fighting organization but having a successful (yet obscure) podcast

>>196280
He was talking about his childhood
Grew up dirt poor, with a shithead drunk father who beat him and his mother

>>196523
The fact he's in his 30s and that makes him break down and ugly cry in public about it means he never dealt with it
But he's the same kind of fag that would call you a pussy bitch for seeking out help from a therapist to talk about it

So glad we know he fights because of his daddy issues and beats up and bullies weaker people to make himself feel strong
He became his father
Congratulations, you played yourself

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Lmfao cry baby Sean just pieced that nigger Adesanya and thought he was the main character.
Can we all agree DDP won that fight against that bald faggot?

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https://youtu.be/F3nnqcuMefQ?si=t4QSOFpITpbiF1xp

Anyone see 301? Best part of that whole card was Aldo turning back the clock and getting a win. Dude looked great.
Also Michel Periera backflipping into guard and then guillotining the dude out cold standing was based

>>195798
Had my first MMA class in a gorrillian today
I did a round or two of muay thai sparring then I did a round of rolling with a guy much better than me
I totally gassed out after an hour and went home, but I feel good

My question is, what's the best way to increase my gas tank?

>>196579
Run

>>196579
Hold your breath under water, the longer the better. Keep doing this and increase the time you can remain under water without surfacing. This basically tells the cells to hold more oxygen and energy so they hold onto more than you normally would. Allowing you to have more gas in the tank.

I fucking hate doing HIIT in this heat I want to DIE

>>196579
best way to increase your gas tank is to go back to class and do it again. its a different kind of endurance. just keep showing to class and don't give up

>>195798
You actually like his style?

>>197115
Ya he just hulk smashes I hate technical fags like Sean desu I also really like Francis

>>195997
Kek

>>197108
Pretty nice breakdown, it might be worth posting this to /gtg/

Guys, I had some semi hard sparring the other day at the mma gym (I subscribed a few weeks ago after years without any practice of martial arts), and got some lasting headaches the following days.
I looked it up online and read that:
- some people have headaches from sheer stress
- some people have thin craniums
- some people have very tense shoulders and neck (my case) and that be a cause of such headaches
Any insight and advice about that appreciated, I'd love to keep training and maybe compete

fights like a gorilla on roller skates

>>196271
If he loses to Costa he's washed up with Yan

>>197181
Stop running into punches and it happens
>>197187
It's entertaining AF
>>197267
I doubt Costa beats Sean. He has no redeeming fight qualities.

>>197130
Hahaha fair point actually

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>>197267
>yan
>washed

Retards like you are the reason this sport's discourse has gone to shit.

Also costa is an interesting match up for sean. Costa's bodywork will be an issue for sean defensively and he won't be deterred by sean's jabs.

A loss to a someone who just went to war with whittaker isn't an indictment on sean.

>>197679
>>197682
Love the old ruleset and feel. Wish they did this again with more English dub

>>197679
Wow, they let the hammerfists go for a while

>>198204
>robbed
He lost the 3 last rounds, got desperate and swung wildly instead of his jab merchant style

>>198204
He shits on gays but still fantasies about raping Adesanya

>>196579
take EPO

>>198204
>says based things
such as?

>>199278
Jesus. That twitching on the ground, I don't think I've seen that before

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>done stuff like kickboxing/muay thai and boxing in the past
>loved all that shit
>loved that most things aren't that complicated and you can spend a lot of time mastering fundamental skills
>love that everything is taught to you in the context of someone else trying to hurt you
>loved that while they don't force you to spar, if you've trained for a little bit, show you're not a maniac and you just ask them, they'll usually let you start sparring fairly early on
>great for practicing how to actually deal with a person trying to hurt you
>have seen a hell of a lot of hate for karate over the years
>rather than just taking people's word on it, i decide to go to see and experience for myself
>find a local dojo that teaches a fairly strict, traditional, non-tournament form of karate
>love that there's a myriad of techniques and tactics to use to defend yourself
>a lot of techniques and strategies also seem needlessly complex, too
>too reliant on, "you do this, then this, then this," without really acknowledging that the person you'd actually be doing this stuff to would be struggling against you in some way and would probably stop it, or at least make it much more difficult to do to them
>they do spar, but only among more senior students who've been doing it for quite a while
>all this while telling you it's supposed to teach you to defend yourself
I thought comparing combat sports and traditional martial arts would help me out. In some ways it has, but in others it's kind of muddied the waters for me more, as well. I don't know which way to go on this. Can both sides be reconciled? Can I do both and learn a way that I can make one compliment the other? Or am I crazy for even thinking that?
I don't care how ignorant or abusive your answers are, just give them to me. I'm trying to get input from all kinds of people on this. So I've already made the same post in Karate General.
Include all your relevant training and experience. Right down to how you've used it, please.

>>195894
While I agree with most of your points, I will say that I'm still very interested in the fight since it's a power striker (DDP) versus the counter striker Izzy and stylistically that favors Izzy. I think Izzy has been facing so much scrutiny and hate online that he may have that dog forced back into him and knows this is likely his last chance for a title shot.
So he might plan on retiring if he loses. That puts a lot on the line for the fight, a lot of reason to try and find that eye of the tiger again

>>201254
>reconciled
To reconcile something they need to be at war or conflicting first

>>201918
Point taken. But there's certainly something there. Mention to a combat athlete that you do traditional karate and they look at you like you're retarded or something. Tell tma guys you want to do MMA and they think you're wasting your time. It shits me how a lot of people on both sides seem to view it like this.

>>201917
>Izzy (...) may have that dog forced back into him
I think you got the positions backwards

>>201254
what are you trying to get out of karate that you couldnt just get out of kickboxing or muay thai?

imo no hard sparring means you arent really going to get anywhere in terms of "self defense". some karate schools dont even spar and if they do its bullshit like no head strikes. this is worse than being untrained

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>>202246
>>what are you trying to get out of karate that you couldnt just get out of kickboxing or muay thai?
Henry Cejudo is an Olympic wrestling gold medalist. He started out as your standard wrestle-kickboxer early in his MMA career and plateaued. He started cross-training in karate and ended up having more success.

Karate can be useful as a supplement even if it's not something ideal to do as your primary art.

Strickland is still ducking goggins, it's been a few days now and no response from that crybully bitch

>>204177
Sean made an apology video somewhat like that. Kinda weird how he calls people out like he’s actually pissed.

>>204042
>WKF karate strikes again
kek

>>204298
What a loser, backs right down when someone presses him to step into a different arena

>>204320
Yeah it sucks that’s he’s annoying now. When he talked shit to Izzy at the press conference when he was fighting poatan was so funny. Then he actually fought Izzy and destroyed him. It was such a great time because Izzy was no more and some random loud mouth asshole was the one to do it. Then he started talking about his childhood and threatening to kill people over it and it was so lame and corny. I honestly like Dricus more than Sean now.

what would you say the average person is like in the standard mma gym, and would you say there is enough discussion and camaraderie in the gym to make potential friends there, or is it more just like an individualistic competitive environment and you dont end up getting to know the others very well. im talking completely average entry level place you would expect in any city

guys that train together rarely fight on a card.

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What do you guys think about this fag? I think hes probably one of the more tougher BW's, hes as slow as a heavyweight though. Still wanna see him win...

Our guy or just zoomer aura

>>204417
The places I've been remind me of any dojo, pretty friendly, in a jocular way. There's a bit of edge of course since you're all punching hobbyists and particularly among MMA guys since they're the most combat-effective, least-frills version of unarmed martial arts (compared to for example Aikido dojos I've been in which were noticeably less intense). But mostly if you're respectful they will be too, and if you're eager to learn they'll like you a lot.

Most people are hobbyists and not even amateur competitors, much less professional, so if you're worried about competitiveness don't be, for the most part people are just there to learn and never intend to fight. I certainly don't, I don't want CTE, plenty of guys like me.

Depends on who specifically shows up to your gym of course, but it's a good place to make friends.

In my experience
>Karate
Has some good striking application but otherwise waste of time unless you're doing kyokushin with headshot spars

>Taekwondo
Best kicks in combat sports overall due to precision and speed if applied properly with other martial arts, good for your back.
Otherwise its horrible on its own because anyone that can get through your leg strikes is gonna kick your ass.

>Boxing
Best striking sport overall due to its skill ceiling while also making you precise with your hands.
Only weakness is your legs being very open to kicks and grappling if you aren't a 200kg fast twitch ball of muscle like mike tyson.

>Kickboxing
Kyokushin on steroids, boxing and karate in one, high volume and fast kicks, teaches you to account someone legs in a fight as well as conditioning your legs, solid choice.

>Muay thai
Excellent toolset, great striking and conditioning but its overrated, peasant sport that doesn't value its practitioners long term health, just adapt its conditioning and striking to kickboxing.

>Wrestling
Excellent grappling with brute force mentality as well as hard conditioning, animal kingdom equivalent is a crocodile death roll
>Note for all grappling, outside of 1v1 situations in street fights you're gonna get kicked on the ground by his friends.

>Brazillian jiu jitsu
Very useful toolset but gay as hell, you're better off going with the other grappling choices if you want to not get your ass kicked irl (or implement mma)

>Judo
(My favorite)
Combination of BJJ and Wrestling, got gayer as Olympic rules took over pussyfying the whole thing, the pins and throws are what you want in a self defense scenario

>Wallmart combat sports shitlist:
>Krav maga
>Aikido
>Anything sharing philosophy with the two above

If you can only do one and want ease of access you do boxing
If you want to be well rounded do kickbox or muay thai
BJJ is adaptable to anything but anything that relies on you getting on your back is dumb
Judo and wrestling are what you want

>Be Justin Gaethje
>be a former college all American wrestler
>Never uses wrestling skill and gets pwned in the end
>why?

>>206479
There seems to be a disease amongst all grappling base fighters that randomly convinces a select subset that they can just bang, bro. Demian Maia came down with a severe case of it at the end of his career after years of using his jiu jitsu to much greater effect. Ronda Rousey is another famous case to even worse results.

For whatever reason, there doesn't seem to be much of the reverse with striking base fighters.

>>204599
why do you think anyone wanted to hear your opinion? are you a successful mma coach? are you a storied competitior? you are none of these. so be quiet and stay in your lane nigger

Khamzat Strickland fight please give it to me I need it please please

>>204550
talmbout walked through bums pretty easily, i mean saiman isn't a bum but at best a top 15 Bantaweight. really need to see him fight a ranked opponent but he does have the "IT' factor

AND.....STILL!
Dricus subbed Izzy. Fuckin awesome

we the real africans now

>>206479
he usually wins. has only really lost against championship level fighters. Khabib, Eddie, Charles and Max have all been champs. Dustin was an interim champ.
and he said it before, he thinks a primarily wrestling style is dull and he likes to entertain and make $$

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>>208464
Damn, fuckin street fighter kicks. Great ko

>>196025
Anon, I….

Remember this idea of "proper technique" is a myth and the only treason you say a fighter is sloppy or has ugly technique or bad form is you've been conditioned to think it's supposed to /look/ a certain way
But martial arts is always function over form, if the technique is doing what you need it to do when you need it to do it then its good technique

You look at someone grit their teeth close their eyes drop their head forward and do a big looping overhead punch
And if it connects and knocks out his opponent it doesn't matter how it looked, In that moment it was the perfect technique

A mediocre fighter is someone that tries to follow a flow chart, a great fighter is one that just flows

>>208878
Is he kneeing him in the sternum repeatedly?

>>209043
>Just see red bro
Is actually the pinnacle of martial arts. If you can't tap into your inner rage and primitive violence you will never make it

>>209105
It's the end realization. Almost everyone has to put it to the side for long periods, but the final hurdle is not to toss it completely. It's there for a reason, but even a true natural has to learn to direct those urges.

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I miss him. So many fun matchups to be had in the time he's been out

>>196854
are you fucking retarded, which loid gave you this piece of information

holy shit I didn't realize we had this thread. is this the schizo free /heem/? I don't even care if it's slow

>>209313
i think he's coming back this year or very early next year

>>212242
>>212243
>>212245
>>212248
>>212249
>>212253
>>212256
>>212258
how the hell does RIZIN even makes money? all their fights are livestreamed for free, you can even watch replays of their old fights for free.
not complaining just curious

>>212260
Men with business suits over their business suits take care of that.

>>212260
Ticket sales. The Rizin card this past July had 48,000 people in the crowd. Only the top 3 highest UFC cards ever had a larger attendance. They also have sponsors and yakuza money.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GYG6s4xc8Kg

>>212260
yakuza money, duh.

Yeah I'm a jacked Taiwanese boy whatup

>>195798
I live in northern Virginia, anyone know where to train mma there? I used to train at FFA Miami, which was nice because you could go 24/7 to use an empty room for mat or bag work

anyone watching the Dana White Contender Series tn? they have good prospects on most cards

>>212410
if theres a bjj class nearby then go for it, usually they'd train all the other mma essentials as well

Just started watching UFC with the big sphere one, are women's fights always boring filler on the card for no reason or was that an outlier?

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>>212552
90% of the wmma fights are for piss break. There are some that are pretty entertaining. On paper, the latest Grasso-Shevchenko should be a decent matchup due to their previous fights, but it ended up being a one-sided crotchsniffingfest.

>>212552
No, every single fight is always the same and nothing different ever happens
Fuckin idiot

>>212585
hey man calm your tits, dude was just asking a question

>>212558
If the women were naked the majority would watch the fights more. Also, imagine s-mounting the other woman.

>>212552
Women just don't have the fast twitch muscle fibers to fight in an entertaining way. The way they strike is always like moving in slow motion even if they are skilled (which most of them also are not). Their grappling can be fine because it doesn't take the same level of explosivness but most casual fans do not enjoy that as much anyway.

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unironically who can stop him?

>>212242
Rizin 48 was such a fucking banger

Compare that to whatever the fuck UFC 307 was today

>>212260
It's only free for foreign viewers, they're presumably trying to grow the foreign market. The PPV is usually like $20 so I reckon a lot of people just pay for that in Japan as it's cheap enough to be less hassle than pirated streams

Went to Rizin a while back and it's also packed out in the venue so I bet ticket sales are their major thing

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>>212801
Ankalaev maybe but Rountree came real close, too bad he gassed out early.

>>212747
Dumb question gets a snarky response

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>>212801

>>212810
holy fuck, dude just ate that headkick like it was nothing.

>>212926
Poatan shouldn't go to HW. It's best he stays where he is.
Tom has unfinished business with either Jones (probably won't fight him) or Stipe (says he will fight him but who knows)
Or he gets promoted to undisputed champ after Jones retires.

>>212266
Holy fuck how do they pull such huge crowds? I had no idea MMA was this big in Japan

>>213041
Asians in general seem to absolutely love local-ish promotions of any given fight sport in person, but give zero fucks about international events. I wanna say South Korea is the only real exception but that might be wrong.

>>213041
Modern MMA originally came from Japan via Pancrase in the early 90s. MMA and kickboxing, through organizations like Pride and K1, were HUGELY popular in the late 90s/early 2000s. It cannot be understated how popular it was.

54 MILLION people watched Akebono vs Bob Sapp on TV for K-1 PREMIUM 2003 Dynamite. 42% of the entire nation of Japan watched that fight. For comparison, the highest watched boxing PPV ever is Floyd Mayweather and Manny Pacquiao which drew 4.6 million PPV buys in 2015. The highest watched MMA PPV is Khabib Nurmagomedov vs. Conor McGregor which had 2.4 million PPV buys in 2018. The record for highest ticket attendance is held by a mixed PRIDE / K-1 card from 20 years ago. Pride Shockwave in 2002 had 91,000 in the crowd (2nd and 3rd highest place are also held by Pride and K1 cards respectively). The biggest crowd for a UFC event was 57,000 (UFC 243: Whittaker vs. Adesanya 2019).

Rizin is doing alright and K1 is still around, but they don't hold a candle to how big they were in their heyday.

>>213110
>via pancrase

akshully through Shooto which preceded UFC

>>213041
That's nothing, Pride used to fill out the Tokyo Dome

And their cards were actually good, unlike the slop we saw in the Sphere

>>212967
>Jones heems Stipe
>Aspinall heems Bones
>as punishment for heeming Bones, Dana makes him fight Poatan shortly after
>Poatan heems Aspinall

Unlikely but would be a good troll by Dana

>>204599
Not all krotty is equal

e.g.

>Kenshinkan
>Full contact, head shots, bare knuckle
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nGMoAffscz4&list=PLhXbbq3ua1RzVGqj80XHGOlC_HAtnzblR

>Shidokan
>Format is: 1st round Kyokushin rules, 2nd round Muay Thai rules, 3rd round MMA rules
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=acVnEctIRXI

>Kudo (formerly Daido-Juku Kakuto Karate)
>Basically kyokushin + boxing + judo, allows headbutts, groin strikes. Probably the most violent karate out there (nominally doesn't consider itself karate anymore but w/e)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_GcJzV6bXqE

>Enshin karate
>Kyokushin with throws, sometimes they train with gloves and do head punches I think
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5_Qi4KKxdbQ


Karate seems to always be useful at the fringes. The bulk of it is people doing styles that are now antiquated (shotokan etc) where they've devolved (and combat has evolved) enough to not be useful anymore

But if you look to the bleeding edge you'll still find real violent styles, they're just like 1% of total karate practitioners

>>213750
Actually now that I rewatch the first clip it's a shidokan guy against someone else but the ruleset is Kenshinkan (and they organised that event)

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Who can stop them, realistically?

Why dont these lazy asses fight 90 times per year?

>>213750
>The bulk of it is people doing styles that are now antiquated (shotokan etc) where they've devolved (and combat has evolved) enough to not be useful anymore
Ironically it's guys from old points style karate styles that have had the most success in MMA.

>>214129
This is the irony in it I think, even if they have to learn how to fight properly when going to mma, they seem to have some qualities the others lack. I don't know if only putting sparring and mitts training in karate would be enogh to make it functional though.

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>>214129
>Wonderboy, Lyoto

Yes yes, well done Shotokan.

HOWEVER

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>>214081
Honestly at this point it's up to eastern Eurasians, the Shavkat and Shaidulloev kind of guys

Eventually Western fighters will get their wrasslin up to eurasian standards and start heeming them in striking but that's some way off. McGregor getting mauled by Khabib set off a new era that has yet to play out fully

>>214081
Are there more maps like this?

>>214081
you forgot the versace model, dulatov or something, he's chechen
>>214144
>Honestly at this point it's up to eastern Eurasians, the Shavkat and Shaidulloev kind of guys
agreed tho i doubt they wanna fight each other
>>214145
there arent any other region except maybe brazil that have fighters this dominant

>>214081
The guy with the reddish beard from Kabardino-Balkaria is the most polarising man i've ever seen. He's a circassian muslim but migrated to Israel of all place. Like dude, pick a side or something.

At this point I feel like UFC has better stars but Rizin is putting on a more entertaining show/card overall

Like 307 had the great Pereira fight but the rest was trash

>>214143
GSP throughout his carrer was more of a wrestler than a striker

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>>214211
He had high-level grappling that was essential against people like Matt Hughes and Matt Serra (who he initially lost to, bear in mind)

But GSP vs Koscheck 2 is a striking clinic, it was always GSP's main wheelhouse

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gcvwjElzyAg

He was a good enough striker to
>drag a fight out for 5 rounds just to torture Koscheck
>use 1 punch the entire bout
>land it 55 times
>break his orbital bone to the point that they can't put ice on it

>>214143
GSP is the goat but he's the only full contact karate champ in mma vs

>Lyoto Machida
Shotokan

>Rich Franklin
Okinawan karate/kobodu

>Robert Whittaker
Goju ryu (inb4 goju ryu poster)

>Kyoji Horiguchi
Shotokan


If you include TKD as a points-karate derivative, then it's stacked even more in their favor.

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>>214250
>GSP is the goat but he's the only full contact karate champ in mma

Ahem

Why are there no MMA fighters with kudo as their base?

>>214293
Bas is a TKD black belt on top of Kyokushin, so you could argue he's both.

>>214295
Kudo is a very small pond.

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who would lose their first zero in ufc 308?

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>>214299
Honestly a TKD + KK base took him pretty far in terms of striking

He trained the two worst styles for hands and ended up KOing people with palm strikes. Goatee-era Bas was a fuggin monsta

>>214305
Nta. Bas is really under appreciated for his live read in ring, his tape study, and his memory of what guys like to use. He can still rattle off during interviews on what he was thinking during a bunch of fights, all the vhs instructional shit he used to watch, things he saw in different disciplines that he would try under broader rules. In retrospect it's no surprise his commentary is always great.

>>214313
Rizin got Michael Schiavello (Good Night Irene guy from K-1) to do commentary. If they somehow also stole Bas from Karate Combat I think we would enter a new golden age of MMA

>>214303
Def cerq or murhpy

>>204417
people are pretty friendly at mma gyms. you could certainly make friends at one. people are nice even to unlikable negative freaks like me.

>>214474
rip cerq

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Ilia knocks out Islam.

>>214081
funny how Chechens are the largest group but only have 1 successful fighter.

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>>195798
strickland beat him and hes gonna do it again and u r queer