I always was saying that despite common myths jitsres have great single and double leg takedowns and judo and sambo guys overestimate their abilities to le "strike people with earth". I felt this myself when I did BJJ and sparred with judokas.And finally some russian jitsers went to sambo competitions without any preparation and here is resultshttps://youtu.be/aL8Hnd5n7EQ?feature=sharedJitsers are absolute fucking beasts when it comes to single leg takedowns and samboists rarely can do a decent throw, more often their throws look like some shitty roll overs.
how many fucking judo and bjj threads are we gonna have?
>>198502>posts video in vodka languageESL anon pls go
>>198503/xs/ - grappling sports
>>198502>world cup jiujitsu medalist>competing in some bum ass local sambo tournament (you can tell because they're competing in socks which isn't allowed in major competitions)>world cup bjj guy still doesn't winso this is the power of jiujitsu...
>>198537>>world cup jiujitsu medalistIn what belts?>>competing in some bum ass local sambo tournamentIt was CMS level which is approximately D1 level in USA. Also any samboist will tell you sambo in exUSSR countries is higher rivalry sport than BJJ>>world cup bjj guy still doesn't winCome on, sambo can't suck THAT much. You probably think that it will not make sambo a complete joke if some jitser without preparation could enter tournament and win it, but it will. It is completely impossible in specialized sports. Meanwhile sambo WCMS didn't win even blue belt division
>>198539What does CMS and WCMS stand for?
>>198539>It was CMS level which is approximately D1 level in USAdoubt.jpgWhat college wrestler steps onto the mat without wrestling shoes on? Likewise with sambo guys not having sambofki.
>>198539>It was CMS level which is approximately D1 level in USAAbsolutely retarded comparison. Even in Russia Sambo championships are for he guys who couldn’t become wrestling or judo champions. This doesn’t mean sambo is a bad sport or martial art but it does mean that the level of competition is going to be a lot lower.
>>198553That's what I always say about bjj and mma"Where's all the judo practitioners then?"Winning judo tournamentsBjj and mma are 3rd tier sports for people that couldn't cut it in Olympic sportsYou'll see the Olympic wrestlers for example retire into mma
>>198553There's a bunch of different forms of sambo with varying skill levels as well. Sport sambo has the highest skill level of sambo. It's B-tier next to wrestling/judo, but there's been some elite sport sambo people to have success in high level wrestling/judo. Shori Hamada won 2014 World's in Sambo and won Olympic judo gold in 2020 for example. Combat sambo is a level below sport sambo. Then there's a bunch of weird offshoots that are a level below combat sambo like systema, ARB, H2H, Unifight, etc.
that first sambist gave up his back pretty easily at the start. could've lost it there.
>>198553It's hard to compare level of sportsmen in BJJ and in sambo. One have belts, others have ranks (3/2/1/CMS/MS/WCMS). But even if you have sports where you have same systems of ranks it may be hard to compare sportsmen, because of different rivalry in sports. MS in judo is harder to get than MS in sambo (what you wrote). But anyway, it is very hard to compare sportsmen level
>>198540It is russian system of ranking sportsmen. From 3d (very beginners), 2d, 1st ranks (decent sportsmen), then CMS (candidate to master of sports, winners of local championships), MS (master of sorts, winners of bigger championships), WCMS (world class master of sports, winners of world championships). It is used in every russian sport, but in some sports you just have normatives, for example in olympic weightlifting to achieve MS you need to have sum 280 of snatch and clean and jerk at 81 bodyweight and it is not required to win some competitions
>>198573>>198574Is your knowledge from when the Berlin Wall fell? Sambo has belts. I've also never heard anyone use "world class MoS," only things like Merited MoS or MoS International class.
>>198575>Sambo has beltsIt has not. They tried to push it to make it somewhat comparable to eatern martial arts, but no one cares about them. I live in Belarus, trained in some sambo schools and saw some competitions, no one uses belt system. I never saw this belts in either training or competitions
>>198502
>>198608https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OnFI3T_35n0
If we had every ranked participant in IJF, IBJJF, and FIAS compete under a rule set that allows everything in Judo, BJJ, Sambo, then that's a better case study to examine. I've encountered Jiu-Jitieros with great takedowns and that's because their coaches also did wrestling and/or judo in the past. I've also seen Jiu-Jitieros with very shitty takedowns and throws because their gyms don't pay enough attention to it.
>>198579Just because nobody uses them doesn't mean they don't exist. It's still officially FIAS sanctioned.
>>198634Nta. I'm sure it's not without it's own set of problems, but coaching degrees sound like a great idea. Just at a glance having an idea of what level of competition any given school is working at.
>>198634https://xn--80ac6afaer.xn--p1ai/content/razriady.html#:~:text=%D0%9E%D1%82%D0%B2%D0%B5%D1%87%D0%B0%D0%B5%D0%BC%3A%20%D0%BF%D0%BE%D1%8F%D1%81%D0%BE%D0%B2%20%D0%B2%20%D1%81%D0%B0%D0%BC%D0%B1%D0%BE%20%D0%BD%D0%B5%D1%82,%D1%83%D1%80%D0%BE%D0%B2%D0%BD%D1%8F%2C%20%D0%B0%20%D1%82%D0%B0%D0%BA%D0%B6%D0%B5%20%D0%BC%D0%B0%D1%81%D1%82%D0%B5%D1%80%D1%81%D0%BA%D0%B8%D0%B5%20%D1%82%D1%83%D1%80%D0%BD%D0%B8%D1%80%D1%8B.>Young people planning to take up Sambo often ask the same question: what kind of belts are there in Sambo? We answer: there are no belts in Sambo, there are ranks. To obtain the initial ranks, a wrestler, as a rule, needs to have a certain arsenal of techniques; to receive the titles of candidate master and master of sports, a sambo wrestler must win regional and all-Russian level tournaments, as well as master tournaments. To obtain higher-level titles, an athlete must defeat opponents at international competitions.
>>198634You can also see photoes from official site here and literally no one uses these beltshttps://sambo.sport/
>>198683Photo sectionhttps://sambo.sport/ru/media/photo/
>>198634I googled more. There were some news that FIAS PLANNING to make belt system and they need to invent normatives in the future but covid prevents them from doing this. There was no any official papers on belt system. The Chairman of the Belarusian Sambo Federation said in an interview in 2020, “Due to the unfavorable epidemiological situation, we have not yet met and talked about the procedure for assigning belts,” since then there has been no news. There is no any mentioning of belt system in regulation paperhttps://sambo.sport/upload/old_file/Documents/Sport/FIAS_Sport_and_Organization_Rules_EN.pdfBulgarian judoka and sambist Ivaylo Ivanov on reddit wrote that top 10 ranked Sambo countries refuse even to discuss belt system, and it was a year ago.
>>198690It's on a federation by federation basis. They're starting to roll them out in US Sambo.
>>198624ADCC is what you're describing especially during y2k and even then other than couple catch guys here and there it was all jiu jitsu guys running the show
>>199156>They're starting to roll them out in US SamboUS sambo lives in their own world
>>199480US Sambo regularly competes in Pan-Ams and European comps like the Dutch Open. They had a guy at the World's last year.
>>199561>They had a guy at the World's last year.Did he wear that cringe belt or regular one?
>>198575Anyway, you didn't show any fact that contradicts what I said here >>198573 >>198574Always loved when westerners try to tell us how we really live
>>198690>Bulgarian judoka and sambist Ivaylo Ivanov on reddit wrote that top 10 ranked Sambo countries refuse even to discuss belt system, and it was a year ago.>some random sambist on reddit said it so it must be trueSo this is what passes as facts around here?
>>199701Yeah it's just one random sambist said there is no belt system in sambo, not like there is no any official info on sambo.sport or no any mention on belt system in official regulation paper.>So this is what passes as facts around here?>AND THAT'S WHY SAMBO HAS BELT SYSTEM!!!!
>>199159ADCC gets close, but it's a little unfair to styles which focus heavily on stand-up wrestling because takedowns score very few pointsPersonally I think they should award more points for takedowns and increase penalty points for sitting to guard
>>199159>ADCC allows everything it's the mma of grapplingDead meme. ADCC has takedown points, but it's still ultimately a submission grappling sport that's biased towards the submission over everything else.
