>>203309
Jon no question

Love how this board believes that fighting against a trained person or a bodybuilder it's something common to happen

>>203313
It's about jon v thor
And its jon 100%

>>203309
The *real* answer is that it would be a banger of a fight and it's strange we haven't seen this sort of fight yet, as far as I know at least
MMA GOAT vs The Strongest Man in the World just markets itself ffs

Which one is gonna pop for more substances?

It's not really a great case because jon is huge too, he's just less huge

>>203309
leg mogged to oblivion

>>203316
>it's strange we haven't seen this sort of fight yet
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eDH-Q1MMebo

>>203316
>it's strange we haven't seen this sort of fight yet
It would be a boring wet fart. You could sell this fight only once, maybe, to a crowd of know-nothing yokels. Jon would beat the breaks off Hafthor in any/every way that he wished, and Hafthor would do nothing.

And for what it's worth, Hafthor can play with weights that would snap Jon in half. Jon wrecked himself and tore his pec moving weight that Hafthor would use for a mild warmup.

Top tier athletes are specialists. The guy who's equally good at fight sports and strength sports is probably not very good at either.

>>203329
>Hafthor would do nothing
He might SQUISH

>>203316
Freakshow fights like that happened all the time back in Japan and it wasn't all that good.

Haffor mogs him in the street where he can't do fancy wrestling moves

>>203464
you can't do wrestling moves in the street?

>>203465
You can't realistically do the nimble knees scraping across the ground positional shit he would need to do to take down a guy that big. Whereas haffor would just have to lean on him and he'd be out-sumod

>>203471
you can scrape knee you just have to be fully committed to the shoot, and I imagine if you're shooting on halfthor you're shooting with all you got

>>203565
Good luck with that

>>203566
I aint shooting on halfthor fuck outta here
>good luck

>>203317
Thor being forced off his tranny roids and deflating would be hilarious

>>203464
There is tons of street fight footage that shows this is cope but go off. Jon could out strike him in his sleep either way.

>>203608
Yet haffor crushes any bjj master purely through size and weight. I don't care if you're a black belt master, if you weigh as much as a small child, you aren't winning the grappling exchange

>>203471
But you can do eyepokes

>>203611
>Yet haffor crushes any bjj master purely through size and weight
Proofs? There is a 6'7 competition black belt at my gym that could probably rape him to death if he wanted. These strongmen are roidtranny carnies. Their actual athleticism blows chunks. You don't see them actually compete at high levels for this reason. They just do carnie money fights as actual athletes would starch them.

>>203625
Google bryan Shaw and haffor try bjj

They just crush the guy

>>203611
>>203664
see >>203328

>>203685
Big guy is playing nicely. He could just grab little twinkies arm and break it with no techniques. Hsffor is chilling and Ryan is trying his hardest to climb like a monkey around the big guy.

If haffor wants to he just grabs him by the arm and smashes him into the floor like a gorilla. Game over.

>>203688
Why doesn't he go smash ADCC for fun then?

>>203738
Because he doesn't want to lie down on sweaty men?

>>203688
You don't actually believe this, do you?

>>203802
There is literally video of him doing just that posted in this thread kek

He could easily become the greatest combat sports athlete of all time but doesn't because.....he doesn't feel like it?

>>203840
He doesn't want the injuries. He's busy lifting grizzly bear weight

You saw him rolling with kid gloves against the world's best grappler

>>203840
If roiding up to 300+ lbs was a way to become world's greatest combat athlete, every heavyweight would do this (in ufc they would roid to 290 and cut to 265). Some, like Bob Sapp, tried this and failed.

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It is a holisitic approach to martial prowess, but normies are too dumb to get it and. Experience, technical virtuosity, strength, speed, stamina, grit, etcetera, are all stats that determine how good you can fight. If anything, "one trick ponies" have it the hardest, not just in the technical aspect (pure strikers and pure grapplers), but also in these aspects. If you are super strong but clumsy, slow, and run out of juice easily you will only win if your opponent is daft and doesn't exploit your weakness, for example.

>>203685
This is just because BJJ is a stupid system.

>>203309
Every strongman vs fighter fight goes down the same way
>strongman can't do shit
>gasses out after a minute of ineffectual flailing
>gets beaten up

>>203880
One in russia went like so: Spinning head kick to the drunk powerlifter, ground and pound, dead in 4 hits.

After drunk trash talk.

>>203882
https://youtube.com/watch?v=VDyr6hsQEns

>>203870
lesnar did this and did become the hw champ

>>203954
Lesnar was a two time all American wrestling champ. He was always an athlete, not a powershitter.

His MMA record was also pretty mediocre in retrospect but he was fun to watch and drew dimes.

>>203955
yeah but he was extremely unrounded and still dropped heath herring and ko'd couture. im not sure what the premise of the argument is exactly but strength matters a lot in mma. now days everyone is well rounded enough that the sport is almost entirely about min maxing PED abuse and weight cutting

>>203957
Obviously strength matters but strongmen aren't pro fighters for a reason. Lesnar was athletic as fuck and trained wrestling most of his life. He didn't just pick up heavy thing and put it down or squeeze apples. Halfthor etc are too old to ever bridge skill gaps and would have to drop a lot of bulk and the strength that makes them special.

>>203957
Randy could make LHW and was 45 when he fought Brock.

>>203309
Hafthor was never too fast. Big Z was much more explosive as a strongman, and could potentially do damage in fights.

>>203309
Games of Tyrone is not the same as real life, autist. A good grappler (or striker) will fuck you up no matter your 2 decades of lifting heavy.

If martial artists are midgets and you are super tall and huge, MAYBE you will have a chance if they are not too skilled.

>>203309
Its about degrees
People both forget that degrees dont mean absolutes, and also that one thing can proportionally out way the other.

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>>203309
Technique is the efficient use of strength.

The better your technique, the less strength you need to apply your technique.
So a weeker person can beat a stronger person with superior technique.

But th equation work both sides.
The stronger you are, the less technique you need to use your technique.

So work on both, technique and strenght.

>>203309
Anything could happen

>>203849
>He doesn't want the injuries. He's busy lifting grizzly bear weight
Everything you say is one big contradiction. Dude is apparently afraid of injuries despite suffering them and moving grizzly bear weight.

This discussion got retarded with all the "Thor can do this" hypotheticals. The thing about grappling, MMA in general but especially the grappling and wrestling aspect, is you absolutely deeply have to WANT to do it. Anything less than 100% complete spiritual dedication and the next guy is going to beat you. That's just how it is. Grappling is so fucking difficult, physically taxing, emotionally frustrating and mentally difficult that the moment it becomes a chore it's over for you. Sure, if you're a brown belt you can still beat a white belt, but if that white belt keeps the love in his heart he'll be giving you serious problems by blue belt and you'll be leaving the mats every night with nothing but compounded doubt.

The answer isn't height, strength, age, skill, or even size. It's desire.

>>205311
Checking back in to reply to myself and say see I told you so.

Who's the smallest guy that can beat the strongest man in the world? What if the strongman gets 1-2 years to train mma?

>>203313
this is how the average martial artist thinks
they think in terms of john wick and die hard
not in terms of fighting a stick man on the streets and poking him really hard in the arm and that alone hurting him because he has an iron deficiency.

>>203313
It's not that unlikely if you think about it. Gym culture has never been more prevalent and everyone knows what works in a fight now thanks to the popularity of the ufc. You could say arguing over the absolute edge cases is pointless but often the same problems and challenges are scalable. For example when I was a teenager I was very lanky and did kickboxing. Before the Jon Jones Gustaffson fight my dad said how can Gustaffson stand a chance Jones will starch him. Even with my own incomparably low skill level I said Jones will have trouble because he is unused to fighting someone with similar reach and then that's exactly what happened. I knew it would because I had the same experience even though it was at a lower level.

>>206115
Most people willing to fight you are violent ex criminals with not much too lose, no fear of law and quick to anger

Most have at least boxed and many lift

>>203313
Bodybuilders do tend too have the occasional roid rage and I've seen it enough times. But if they share gyms with fighters, even old ones who just go there to lift now, they know full well not to even get mouthy with the old guy who wears ratty old MMA shorts or shirts from his BJJ clubs. Bodybuilders have about enough cardio to run across the room once and they're done.

>>203316
Have you seen Hafthor box? He's like a giant wet noodle. Jon sucks at boxing too, but he's good at everything else

This reminds me when people thought a Navy Seals would BTFO a professional fighter.
Cue to Strickland bullying some poor dude

>>206326
both are trained for completely different things lmao.
You make any one of these career fighters fight in a war they're more likely to kill all their allies so they can attempt to take down an entire platoon of soldiers themselves

>hurr but i do jiu jitsu d00d my closed guard and rnc can stop them

>>206186
>Gym culture has never been more prevalent and everyone knows what works in a fight now thanks to the popularity of the ufc
That's not how fighting works. Just because you watch a lot of basketball doesn't mean you can shoot a 3 pointer or dunk.

>>206470
War is not unarmed combat. People who do war are good at war and people who do unarmed combat are good at unarmed combat.

There's a big difference between a bodybuilder with 1 yr solid fighting experience and a bodybuilder with 0.
Anybody with 0 experience sucks. But the massive fit guy that has one year good practice tends to beat the really experienced welterweight from what i see.

>>209769
say that in a bjj gym

>>203309
My money would be on Jones but anything could happen when the bigger guy is twice as big and can deadlift the smaller guy 4 times over