Redpill me on Sanda. Is it modern Kung Fu or are the Chinese just stealing techniques and training methods from other martial arts and pretending it was theirs?
>>204614Sort of both. A lot of it has its origins in choy le fut for striking and shaui jiao for the takedowns, but you’d have to be retarded to think modern kickboxing styles like Muay Thai aren’t a factor in its development. Hell, the big haymaker style punches that are staple of choy le fut aren’t even used despite it supposedly being a foundational art for modern sanda striking.
>>204615Hmm I guess that makes sense. Basically every modern martial art takes its punches from Western boxing.
>>204615My nigga muay thai is many centuries old and Siam always got along with China, being to the south you know them niggas cross pollinated with Kung fuThat's why it's so weird, people talk about muay thai like it's not just karate from a different countryThey all came from the same place
>>204618das rite muay thai come from china
>>204614https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NDOkPNzKGBg>In this interview translation and analysis, we have one of the first Sanda fighters and the first Sanda National Team head coach talk about the founding of Sanda and some of its intricacies and initial challenges. This interview is mindblowing because it sheds some light on the influences of Sanda and how much kungfu influence there actually is in Sanda. We have one of the first Sanda fighters talking so candidly. The guy's name according to the video is Qian Ren Biao.This video is interesting.
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>>204618>we wuz thais n sheet
>>204635>>204636TLDR: Boxings for hands, Asian martial arts for kicks, takedowns from Shuai jiaoI really wish Sanda allowed elbows so we can more Bajiquan influence.
>>204615>choy li futyou post this horseshit every time Sanda gets mentioned. It will never be true.>>204636It's funny how he says "even muay thai" like Sanda wasn't created directly as a response to MT and uses it as a base.>>204708Bajiquan is a fucking meme. I wish all you kungfu shitters would rope yourself already
>>204618Muay Thai was created from boxing and the few useful parts of Muay Boran.
>>204746Bajiquan is not a meme
>>204614Kickboxing for C-listers who aren't good enough for K-1 or MT rules.
>>206972Lol. Lmao even
>>204746Baji is currently a meme but it's the only kung fu-looking CMA with any legit potentialIirc there's some efforts to make it work in MMA atm but with mixed success so farIt has nice-looking takedowns so I do hope someone evolves it into something useful though
>>212168Anon I know all about Baji, there is nothing special or even useful there it's just the lastest TCM to become an internet meme for people that dont know better. Like a lot of the tcm you see where they are actually trying to spar they are doing Sanda and claiming that as the "true application" of their style, maybe with a meme move or two thrown to give it some idiosyncracy (and doesn't ever work that well, if at all). In China it's universally considered common knowledge that Sanda is for fighting and the "xyz style" is for display. Only foreigners keep falling for this grift.
>>204615Probably this. Both in the early 1900's china martial arts to a big degree was getting dominated by fighters from Europe, Russia and Japan. The old styles had to adapt a lot more than what we generally think. Any Chinese fighter/ teacher that was worth their name had to improve their system if they seriously wanted a style that could hold up to the outside influences
