>>207251
>How did you like judo at the Olympics? Favorite and least favorite moments?
I enjoyed it, even thou my country didn't perform that great and suffered a lot of avoidable shidos. Having to explain to other Brazilians that we weren't robbed, we just sucked at following the rules got pretty tiresome, thou.

>>207253
>TV 2 reporter Mathias Skarpaas challenged Madelene Rubinstein to battle. She will be Norway's first female judo practitioner in the Olympics. He has seen some Judo on television. Mathias is 187 cm and weighs 80 kilos. Madelene is 161 cm and weigh 52 kilos. Above you see the short version of the hysterical match
longer video:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6Yd_wVRYJD4

>>207318
Did he actually think he could win or was this just a publicity stunt to draw attention towards their new competitor?

>>207329
Almost definitely the latter. He's a sports journalist.

there's this guy who comes from I can guess scandinavian breeding stock, very tall, very white, and he pronounces all the japanese words in an excessively properly japanese way
he's the kind of guy that would say ka-ta gu-lu-ma instead of katagarumuh like a normal person

and he's a dork and I hate him for it

>>207342
Secretly become fluent in Japanese with a good accent and use that to correct his Japanese pronunciation while still pronouncing it like an American yourself during regular conversation.

>>207343
>Secretly become fluent in Japanese
Lol I did this already as a prank, my weeb friend was taking Japanese lessons and I secretly took them for 2 years just so I could steal his thunder bust it out completely out of the blue during vacation

>>207357
Wtf im going to try judo now

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>>207364
do it for the queen

>>207418
That was practice? Tell the guy to have more control, Jesus dude.

>>207418
I’ve had that before, consider getting an X-ray because if you have that there’s a good chance you broke a rib too. Don’t train with people that intentionally try to injure you, especially if you’re new and they’re not. Fucking faggots will try to permanently end your ability to compete before you even start. Not worth it.

>>207418
on my second day a brown belt threw me on my neck and the teacher yelled at him and the guy never came back after that day

>>207423
Good, at that level he ought to know better than trying to break the white belts

>>207427
Then he should have developed enough technique to control himself and his training partners. I'm not saying it was on purpose, but he still caused you unnecessary trouble.

>tfw losing weight
The occasional Zyn instead of snacking has made it easier, but I've learned that while it works, I actually don't enjoy a nicotine buzz.

>>207513
I have this same problem with coffee
I get a brain fog and become really unproductive

Does running into someone with full speed have a judo name?

>>207538
ragubi tai sabaki (ラグビー体捌き)

>>207538
BANZAI!!!!!!!

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why are hapas like this?

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Anyone else ever hit a plateau in Judo where it just feels like you're almost getting worse? I'm a blue belt and have been practicing pretty regularly but I just feel like I can't get anything I usually would constantly get in randori. My once strong grips and combos feel weak and I just lack motivation or energy to fight hard anymore, when I go against bigger opponents it feels like slog and not really like a learning experience.

Anyone else go through this?

>>207615
they aren't fully accepted by either of the ethnic groups they're a part of and always exist as an outsider, all the social awkwardness stems from that

Has it ever been more over?

https://youtu.be/3uf6XpfYzzw?si=pu3Ye6z1xyq9Ablg

Are knee injuries common in Judo? I'm tired of dudes trying to cripple me for life in BJJ for no fucking reason. While I've never had anything catastrophic happen I can feel my knees aren't as good as they're supposed to be at 26. I've seen some videos of people getting fucked up in poorly executed or defendrs ashi waza, but how common is that actually? Would shit like knee sleeves help at all with preventing those injuries?

>>207768
There’s no grappling art that’s not going to have risk to your limbs and digits. In general though, I have found judoka in general are not pissy low self esteem high ego retards who try to fucking injure their fucking club mates like I have often seen cross training bjj. What you really need to look out for in judo are newbies who try to do throws like tai Otoshi or ashi guruma who don’t know how to do it without breaking their partners knees.

>>207768
>Are knee injuries common in Judo?
Yes.

>Would shit like knee sleeves help at all with preventing those injuries?
Yes

>>207615
Whites and Asians are the most autistic races. Hapas get a double dose of autism.

>>207752
It's ogoshiver, ouchigariver, osotogariver. Damn.

>>207752
>two and a half hours
It never even started.

>>207829
Hapas also get a double dose of cum from me.

>>207768
Boxing is basically the only combat sport that doesn't fuck up your knees.

>>207251
>go first time judo gym
>ok anon do some sparring on the ground
>some dude arrives has at least blue or brown belt
>something something land with my rips on his arm
>my rips now hurt
Is it over? Also should someone with that experience not go fucking slow against some first timer?

>>207900
>dude arrives has at least blue or brown belt
Do you not know? Are you color blind?
>>something something land with my rips on his arm
Literally what the fuck are you trying to describe

>>207903
>Literally what the fuck are you trying to describe
>do sparring on the ground
>he does something I don‘t know what it is, I do shit I think is good
>I somehow land on his arm with my
rips, because he did something? I don‘t know
>my rips now hurt, don‘t know if they are bruised or not
What‘s so fucking difficult to understand here?

>>207904
Are you trying to say ribs? That’s completely normal to land on someone’s arm in newaza and your ribs aren’t fucking broken you would know it if they were (trust me on that). Quit being a baby.

>>207905
Yes ribs. But couldn‘t they be at least bruised? Last time I bruised my rips it took 6 weeks to heal.

>>207900
>first judo class
>sparring of any kind
anon something is off. no proper dojo will force you into fighting others without even teaching basic shit like breakfalls and white belt throws. especially not against someone much more experienced who goes all out against you. you might be going to a mcdojo.

>>207908
That‘s what I also think and that is why, I don‘t think I will continue there. I mean at least after that he realized I am a noob and didn‘t do anything and teached me more.

>>207908
>>207909
Sparring *on the ground* as Anon specified is pretty normal for a first class in my experience with good-quality credentialed instructors. The blue belt is either being a spaz or anon has much weaker ribs than the blue belt anticipated. When I first started judo as a young adult I had a strong wrestling background and genuinely didn't realize how fragile some otherwise healthy looking modern normies are until making some mistakes like that.

>>207908
I did light randori day 1 in judo and have been training for 10 years now. It’s not that weird unless they didn’t go over breakfalls first, but even then if they’re practicing with an experienced judoka and not the class retard who’s going to try and bury a white belt there’s little chance of injury

>>208063
He was a brown belt and I now have bruised ribs with 6 weeks of pain ahead

>>208084
How did you bruise your ribs previously?

>>207251
>Post-Olympics edition
After the Olympics, I have the feeling freestyle and judo are very similar. Both are specialized in denying one type of technique to the detriment of many things.

>>208093
Tried to learn snowboarding, was kinda fast on a steep hill, fell, flew some distance and landed with my fist ramming my ribs. That‘s why I kinda am suprised that even something very easy with ground sparring and falling on a guys arm had the same effect.

>>208108
ngl but I am heavily annoyed at the judo training. Just wanted to see how it is , even was really hyped about, and it was fine at first and now I can‘t do anything for 6 weeks and even got an elbow to the jaw from another „white belt“, which also hurts.

>>207804
Nice northern lights suplex

>>208119
Have you tried not being a fucking pussy? If you can’t handle a little ouchie during newaza combat sports are not for you.

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>>208108
Judo breakfalls kept me from getting hurt when I tried to learn snowboarding. You should stick with it to learn how to not get hurt and also to toughen yourself up.

>>208142
You are somewhat right. I am more annoyed with the people there, but I also think stuff like this happens. I was just starting to be more active and this now keeps me on hold which annoys me.
Especially the reason why I got the elbow, but stuff like this happens and how you act after that is what defines you as a man.

>>208242
I actually started doing bjj a week prior to that and wanted to do crosstrain with this. Well I think after I healed I will do another trial training there and if I stick there I will make it clear that I don‘t care about ne-waza and will only do sparring after some months. I am not there to fight with people to submission, but to learn throw techniques and the only sparring I wanna do is standing and easy.

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>>207251
What kind of dance is best for training judo?

Are there any good judo-centric movies, shows, etc. out there?

>>208340
Breakfall dancing

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Is "Ninja Choke" a Judo move?

>>208581
I suppose you could argue it's tai otoshi from a guillotine, but standing chokes are verbotten in judo anyway.

>>208581
I wish I had a professional fighter gf that practices really hard every day and still wouldn't be able to beat me and I barely do anything at all

>>208592
I do this every time I go into class, fighting girls is hilariously fun

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>>208696
Yes

>>208608
fighting girls is boring. it's like when you play pretend fight with a kid.

>>208901
Damn, I'm fucking good at Judo.

>>208914
Keked

>>207908
Fuck off, retard. Randori with a safe partner is one of the best ways to get someone hooked on the fun of judo. An hour of breakfalls and uchikomi is how you kill a prospective judoka's enthusiasm for the sport.

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>>208993
>IT'S LE FUN

>>209027
Are you under the impression that people who do martial arts don’t do it because they enjoy it? Are you retarded?

>>209087
Stop entering the throw with zero kuzushi. Remember, pull them to you, don’t turn into them. Make sure you are on the balls of your feet pulling forward not back on your heels.

>>207251
does open mat at judo gym mean i can walk in off the street or does it just mean unstructured time for members?

>>209095
The second. Sometimes guests or visitors show up, but random dude unknown to the entire room isn't on the list of anywhere I've been.

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>>209387
I want to say that there's something physical I could do but there's not. I think in all honesty I would tell on him and cry about it later

>>209387
any throw that manlets always spam against lanklets ie. ippon seoi nage, ogoshi

>>209387
If another man did this to me I’d either have to kill him, die trying, or kill myself. There would be no other option.

>>209387
tani otoshi

>he's still seething
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Op7M5Q2U0P0

This is why nobody takes American judo seriously

>>209736
Who won?

>>209756
guy that initiated the uchi-mata

>>209733
I literally have no idea who this is or why I should care. If you want to promote your shitty YouTube channel buy an ad.

>>209818
One of the highest up Americans in the IJF who's still salty because his kid lost on shidos at the olympics.

Also, he has a youtube channel.

>>209733
where is the lie? IJF's shido spam is a joke and the olympics were dismal.

>>209819
You could have read a book instead of paying attention to judo politics youtube drama. Do better

>>209387
Spam foot sweeps? Idfk, dude just casually picked up another man and took his spot, I don't think many people are winning a fair fight against that

>>209830
>sub 2k views
Buy an ad fag

>>209836
I don’t know who that is either nerd

>>209837
you have to be 18 to post here

>>209857
You have to buy an ad to advertise here

>>208340
>judo-centric movies, shows,
Mou Ippon and Yawara!

>>209834
">sub 2k views," he posted in a niche general thread on a board that averages 103 posts per day

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>>209834
GET OUT!!! GET THE FUCK OUT! YOU SUCK. YOU'RE NO JUDOKA. A JUDOKA RESPECTS THE KUZUSHI THAT SERVES AS THE FOUNDATION OF THROWING. YOU OBVIOUSLY DON'T HAVE THE TALENT. AND I'M A KODOKAN GRADUATE, SUCKA! I'VE EARNED MY RIGHT TO SAY IT. IN 1981 I WALKED YAMASHITA UP ON THE MAT. WHO THE FUCK ARE YOU? I KNEW MIFUNE FROM 1965! WHO THE FUCK ARE YOU?

>>209829
You can't deadlift 90kg?

>>209736
And now hes given his back to him

>>209737
Great way to destroy your knee

>>209923
uh i think you stumbled into the wrong thread, /weenie/ isn't on /xs/

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>>209923
>And now hes given his b-ACK

>>210030
Maybe it's my wrestling background but it bothers me when people don't follow the fight to the ground and go for the submission or pin when their throw scores short of ippon.

>>210029
Terrible ref

>>210032
Noice

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>>210033
sasae my beloved

>>210035
That itself doesn't annoy me, but it really grinds my gears that he didn't even attempt to control his opponent from standing, and instead just looked at the judge like a dumb puppy.

How can I differentiate a true judo curriculum that teaches EVERYTHING vs only teaches basics, Olympic judo, and basically fluff? Are there any recommended places in japan you can recommend? And is there any in the USA that’s reputable?

>>210163
>japan
Kodokan
>USA
Which part?

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Does the move at the end in the webm have a name in judo? It's called yobimodoshi in sumo. I like using it to setup a sasae.
https://www.youtube.com/shorts/asmkakz-aio

I hate Week 1 whitebelts with something to prove.
>Slaps and elbows drilling fucking turnovers
>Goes 110% during randori and tries the weirdest, knee-breaking shit just to win
>general lack of self-awareness

>>210707
Week 2 whitebelt here:
Who lets a week 1 do randori? We're still learning falls and rolls.

>>210711
>Who lets a week 1 do randori
I've seen some places where they let white belts attempt throws during versus competent colored belts with the idea that the colored belts can protect themselves and won't be throwing brand new white belts who don't know how to fall. The places I've seen that do this seem to take the time to get a feel for whether or not the new guy is going to be a spaz or not before setting that up.

>>210711
>two weeks of training only falls and rolls
What retard is running your dojo? Did they have you do an entire two hour class rolling back and forth doing side break falls your first time there?
>>210728
This is the way it should be. My first class I learned my break falls, a throw, grips and did light randori. They threw me into the regular class after that. You learn how to adapt.

Are there any good Judo places in Columbus, Ohio? How do I look for the signs of a good dojo, aside from avoiding the usual mcdojo stuff?

>>210771
this nigga don’t know the forbidden ohio jutsu
L rizz, L take, you finna get ipponed nibba fr fr

>>210777
Retard

>>210798
nigger what do you want? a tour guide?

>>210802
If he'd asked about a couple of different cities I would have opinions for him on which schools are more worthwhile or how their cultures differ. Someone with experience in Columbus could give him some insights.

>>210825
If he'd ask that question I would've still pointed him to Google.

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anyone else feel a strange sense of melancholy on the way home after a good training session? my judo and bjj clubs are basically my only social outlet and its the only time i get to laugh and have fun with people

>>210837
I usually jack off on the car ride back.

>>207900
So until my injury is over I thought I could do some lifting and prepare myself for judo AND bjj + endurance.

Any tips what exercises I should focus on? And maybe some stretching tutorial?

>>210840
>this anon jacks it and drives
How the fuck haven’t you died in a fiery accident

>>210733
Proper fundamentals take you further. Learning how to fall and roll properly will reduce your risk of injury. All the senseis at my club are 60+, and can still throw and fall all day. I care more about mimicking that longevity than doing randori a week or two earlier.

>>210828
I'd rather hear what randos on 4chan have to say about the level of 'tism within a city's dojos than scour low-effort normie reviews on Google Maps, but really the best thing is to seek both.

>>210896
Yeah nigger, I agree you should learn fundamentals, but doing nothing but falls and rolls for a month straight is hindering your progress not enhancing it.

>>210733
I didn't say we were ONLY learning falls and rolls, but we clearly haven't mastered them, so randori is obviously a bad idea this early.
We've also learned a handful of throws and holds.
Kinda wild conclusion to jump to. Who teaches just one thing the entire class?

god these threads are so fucking mean, it's like nobody has anything good to say

>>210926
Is this your first time on 4chan? Have you never been in a masculine work space? If you read between the harsh verbiage there's an actual conversation happening.

>>210927
>Have you never been in a masculine work space
Men don't talk this way, you've grown up around children and ethnics.

>>210928
Harsh bants have been a staple of any white male space I've seen in sports or the trades but are less common in workplaces with large HR departments (women) or among mixed-gender students/workers/athletes. Even harsher bants have always been part of 4chan culture.

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coach complimented the sumi-gaeshi i stole off travis stevens and i'm probably gonna get to teach it next class
another black belt also told me my mat techniques have really improved

>>210924
How exactly do you plan on learning to fall without getting thrown in randori? You’re retarded and your dojos pedagogy sucks ass. You need to get thrown for real (by which I mean unexpectedly) or you’re never going to actually thrown.

>>210933
Don’t throw all women under the bus, HR is its own breed. I dealt with plenty of nonshitty women when I worked in the trades.

Most of them were lesbians but that’s beside the point

>>210938
I’m proud of you anon. I hope your learning nage no kata that may be coming up for you soon

>>210961
This anon was born with glass bones and paper skin

>>210837
I get depressed after I work out. I think it's those endorphins crashing more than anything else.

>>210945
I like women, I just meant to observe that their presence tends to soften the banter in a group. If Anon didn't have experience with masculine spaces and is new to 4chan it's reasonable that he wouldn't have the context to understand good-natured insults and banter.
>>210961
>Not confronting someone about it
That's what bants are you autistic retard. You make a light-hearted insulting joke at your friend and he makes one back to balance it out. The utility of banter is that once you've established the dynamic it makes it easier to approach actual criticisms, concerns, and complaints without having to walk on eggshells or overly sugarcoat issues. If you get your feelings hurt and throw a fit instead of laughing it off and reciprocating you're not going to make very many friends because people are going to have a harder time engaging with you on genuine topics. Furthermore, if you get insulted or trolled easily online you are not yet acclimated to 4chan and should probably take internet shitposts less seriously.
>>210995
My Dad taught me to have thick skin and a sense of humor and I'm sure that Anon's Dad did the same.

>>210837
>>211004
When using the gym and dojo as a form of meditative escapism the inevitable return to whatever one is escaping is comparatively unpleasant. I still feel better than I would without training.

>>211036
If someone has a critique, they tell you. At least in my experience. All I know is that nobody had 'bantz' with my grandfather, nor did he. He just worked and told them what to do. Anyone who tried to test him or say something he would've just probably grabbed them by the throat and threw them across the room.

People earn respect by confronting problems and not allowing people to cause them problems, if you don't do these things than people won't respect you. And you may say "well I don't need anybody's opinion or respect, I only care about what I think and I don't have an ego" but respect is much than just ego or an opinion. It can be life or death, the way people perceive you and the security (or at least the sense of security) you put out matters.

So if you think about it, it's actually more thin-skinned to be stepped on and pass it off as a 'joke' or 'banter' all the time. This isn't to say you have to walk around with a chip on your shoulder, if someone says something you found actually funny then laugh and go on. But if someone is constantly trying to rile you up or says something you don't find very respectful, do something about it.

Read this or don't, I'm not going to discuss it anymore.

>>211058
Counterpoint, you are joyless and autistic. I think r*ddit would be more your speed.

>>211058
>All I know is that nobody had 'bantz' with my grandfather, nor did he. He just worked and told them what to do.
Guys like this are perceived as having a stick up their ass and kill the mood whenever they show up.
>Anyone who tried to test him or say something he would've just probably grabbed them by the throat and threw them across the room.
As someone whose father taught him both grappling and bants sperging out with physical violence because you're incapable of verbally and intellectually defending yourself hardly strikes me as the epitome of white male behavior.
>if someone is constantly trying to rile you up or says something you don't find very respectful, do something about it.
I absolutely agree with this but also very genuinely this: >>211067

>>210926
they're tryharding yellow belts

>>211102
Modern liberals tend to be more pro-censorship than pro-bants.
>>211105
Anon being Blaxican-American would explain why he can't handle bants.

>>211117
not really, modern liberals love being punching bags

>>210502
Sumi otoshi
>>210837
I think about improving and what I should do next time
>>210840
lul
>>210933
>>210961
This is mostly an American thing, in Europe this almost never happens unless someone's drunk

>>211121
At no point did I advocate being a punching bag. If you can't use words to defend yourself from words you probably have a double-digit IQ.

>>211124
>This is mostly an American thing, in Europe this almost never happens unless someone's drunk
Fair enough. I've lived and worked all across America but I can't really speak to foreign norms. I've heard that it's normal among the Scots and Irish but they're also known for drinking heavily.

>>211124
>bants are an American thing
Have you ever met an Aussie?

>>211096
I'm a green belt thank you very much

>>210933
>>211126
I've always found Americans to be pretty sensitive about bantz overall, and it's coded as a more lower class thing; Americans and Canadians are pretty uptight about "busting each other's balls" compared to the rest of the Anglo world. Bantz seem like much more of a British or Australian thing.

>>211129
British people are pedophiles.

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>>211126
No thank god

>>211143
Blessed Aussie shitposting ensuring breakdancing will never be accepted as an Olympic sport.

>>211129
Brits don't have the cross-social awareness to partake in American bantz. You have to go tit for tat, only escalate slightly.

You're going to look like a massive retard if an american says
>"haha chewsday bo'o'woh'uh innit"
and you respond with
>"WELL AT LEAST OUR CHILDREN DON'T GET SHOT UP IN MAFS CLASS BRUV"

>>210944
>How exactly do you plan on learning to fall without getting thrown in randori?
You learn the movement until it's something you can do without thinking about it, and only then introduce variables.
I've studied a few different martial arts and literally every school I've ever been to doesn't let noobs spar until they've got a few classes under their belts.
>You’re retarded and your dojos pedagogy sucks ass.
I don't recall insulting you, but I guess it's a good thing I didn't disrespect the Only Guy With The Right Opinion (TM), or else you might not have blessed me with the pearls of your ineffable wisdom.
>You need to get thrown for real (by which I mean unexpectedly) or you’re never going to actually thrown.
Sure, once you have some idea what you're doing so that you have a basis to correct from.
By that reasoning, there's no reason to do anything but sparring. It's apparently a stupid idea to practice something and develop a baseline of skill before you pressure-test it, so we should just beat people up and hope the figure out the right moves under stress.
Learn the move, practice the move, test the move, refine the move. You don't just skip the first two steps.
Why are you this mad?You need to get thrown for real (by which I mean unexpectedly) or you’re never going to actually thrown.

Can someone tell me what judo throws were used in the first 5 seconds of this clip?

The cop attempts some sort of throw and gets countered by another throw. Is this genuine judo in action?

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>>211325
Officer attempts a bad uchi-mata, other guy counters with a sloppy (what I would argue is) tani Otoshi since he basically just sat down and pulled the officer over his leg even though he didn’t stick it out like in a proper tani Otoshi. I suppose you could argue he was actually going for an ura nage but that’s not really how it worked out since there was no lift.

>>211327
What made it a bad uchi Mata attempt

>>211356
Positioning. He was way too far behind his opponent. He pulled forward on his upper body but didn’t have enough leverage to take him where he needed to go. You need to be in a position where you can load the opponent up onto his toes then immediately lift his leg to take him over. In this case, the officer lifted the opponent, who is probably a well balanced and either young or semi-athletic man, managed to move his foot around the officers leg and then immediately counter because he was not actually pulled fully off balance and the officer didn’t take control of his full body.

I'm literally doing randori with only ONE (1) nigga and the volume of successful throws from either one of us has dwindled to almost nothing.

>>211361
That's because judo is shit

Punch into double/single leg, or body lock negates all of judo

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>>211363

>>211363
>i can't shoot a 3 pointer anymore against this guy i constantly hoop with
>just hug the ball and rugby tackle the guy bro, it negates all of basketball

>new beginner comes in
>average build
>get assigned to show him the ropes
>ask him if he has done martial arts before
>"no"
>sports?
>"no"
>do you go out
>"not really, sometimes"
Longest class of my life.

>>211299
>nice this guy lost his gri... oh shit!

>>211361
So train with other people? That or change your game since he clearly already is familiar with it.
>>211363
You don’t train anyways so why bother posting?

>>211367
He's not there to socialize, he's there to learn judo
Go to a bar if you want to talk

>>211371
>You don't do aikido or wing chin so how can you say it's shit?????

>>211361
The traditional solution to this is standing kata guruma.

>>211367
Teach him ashi waza then send him to train with orher people lol.

>>211373
I asked him the questions to gauge his general athleticism. Teaching an ex-gymnast how to seoi nage is a lot less suicide inducing than teaching a sedentary person how to move his body in basic ways.

>>211385
Looks like he gave you the answers to the questions you were asking?

>>211408
The questions were not the point. The point was loathing teaching someone how to move their body in basic ways rather getting straight to the Judo. Perhaps I should teach you too to use your brain.

>>211363
>hello i hate x
>today i will go to the x general and tell them how much i hate x

>>208592
Just get a normal girlfriend and teach her how to fight

>>208901
M-Me?

>>211413
>too use your brain

Sit

>>211416
Babbys first week on 4chan?

>>211582
I want you to read my reply again, this time carefully.

A good way to grow Judo in the US is to gett Judokas teaching Judo classes in BJJ gyms.

>>209387
no judo just rear naked choke.

but if you had to do judo i only know of yoko guruma or kind of ura nage as far as throws where you're behind uke. i'm new so if someone else knows

>>211931
>no judo just judo

>>210837
i honestly feel the opposite. im a white belt and will be starting my 6th month of judo soon and i love how all the bullshit melts away during practice and randori. on the car ride home i'm usually just thinking about how i can do better next time.
although yesterday some fucking retard waved me on into oncoming traffic and that got my blood pressure up and kinda ruined the vibe lol

>>211931
Retard

>>211905
Hello slowpoke-san.

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Can I make nice normie friends if I do any judo training? I'm lost and inexperienced in life and would like to be inspired by people better than me while learning how to throw people. Yes I have problems but I keep to myself about it.

>>212795
yes

i swear to god this question comes up like 5 times a thread

>>212795
>>212837
Why are judoka so emotionally damaged?

>>212853
>Why are the judo-curious on a fringe 4chan board so emotionally damaged?
The people asking these question are /xs/ posters who aren't yet judoka. Everyone who posts here is probably at least autism-adjacent and the ones looking for something to do are likely to be less healthy and adjusted than the ones already doing judo.

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Is there any judo throw where you intentionally land on the uke? If so, is there any advantage in doing so?

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>>212859
Yes, it can be done with a number of throws. The advantage is that tori can transition straight from the throw to a pin and still be in a position to win the match should the referee score the throw less than ippon.

>>212859
many sacrifice throws like soto makikomi often end up with the guy dropping on top of you. it's especially painful if it's a heavyweight doing it

>>212853
have you lived a life?
or do you just play video games?
Like honestly you can tell so much about a person by which martial art they choose to train

>>212858
you're thinking of BJJ

>>212916
Well what does judo say? Desperate for affection but unable to form real connections with people due to being sheltered and isolated? Is it that you can only accept a hug if it's while you're on the way to hitting the ground?

>>212923
yet again you're thinking of jiu jitsu

>>207251
>muh judo

>>213114
tomoe nage
uchi mata
snapdowns to mess with their balance and force them to square up so you can attack something else

Aaand we're back
https://youtu.be/Rnzfc6RHBwA?si=sSP1W4BIXDL5BlUW

>>213143
great now wrestlefags can ruin judo again by shooting double non stop

>>213143
Supposedly open weight only, and only that tournament. Almost certainly a depth gauge, but don't go lighting the beacons quite yet.

>>213145
Literally never happened. Stop believing memes.

>>213145
how are you that bad?
not even white belts are that bad

>>213143
Right now I bet many masters are so frustrated now that they'll have to teach their current batch of students this from the ground-up, and their own assistants too, if they're too young to have learned it back in the day.

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>>212853
WE LIVE IN A TATAMI

>>213153
tawara gaeshi

my instructor told us about that a few days ago
he's from the very old guard in his 70s i think

>>213151
>>213152
???????

>>213153
Thats their own fault for cucking to sport and not teaching the complete judo
They get what they deserve

>>213160
>attempts double leg
>rice bag throw
>???????

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>>213163
Got 'em
>I was only pretending to be retarded

>>213163
oh no that was my point
people who usually shoot double leg are wrestlers who are new to judo and will just get stopped, but they dont understand this and so we're just gonna probably see a lot of sloppy ass double legs

at least we get te guruma back

Should my Ashi Waza be as hard as a kick? This black belt did it to me when he wanted to do De Ashi or Sasae and it felt like not only was he able to pull me with his hands but even if I wasn't off-balanced he'd still sweep me just from the sheer force of his kicks.

>>213174
Every technique should be done with as much power as you can without making yourself tired

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>>213172

>>213143
Really looking forward to a good standing kata guruma WebM.

>>213162
I hope people harp on this point so it's less likely to happen again.

>>213174
If you're doing light randori don't be a dick, but in shiai or drills where your partner is expecting it then yes.

WE'RE BACK

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grabbing the legs is a right not a privilege

>>213160
Grabbing the legs was banned to prevent stalling, not “muh wrestlers” dominating the sport.

There was a point in time when both yuko and wazari were partial points you could score in judo. It became meta to score a partial point then just dive for the legs and turtle to stall out time and win. Leg grabs were banned to prevent this because the ijf is too retarded to just say “stop turtling and stop stalling”.


And before any of you retards say that it was to “distinguish” judo from wrestling in the Olympics, I’ll remind you that Greco-Roman wrestling doesn’t allow leg grabs either.

>>213176
White belt opinion. Every technique should be done with the minimum amount of effort needed to complete it. Minimum effort, maximum efficiency. That is the maxim of Judo.

>>213235
>not “muh wrestlers” dominating the sport
that's not what i said
wrestlefags/bjjfags will shoot double and stall rounds because everyone will get used to it

>>213236
what if your minimum is the other guy's maximum and vice versa?

>>213242
What are you even trying to communicate, retard? If it takes more effort for you to complete a technique, you should use as much as you need to complete it. If it takes less, you should do less.

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>>213242
you should focus on form before even using strength.
take your time mentally but physically move fast
like the other anon said
minimum effort, maximum effecieny.
.

>>213251
idk i was just posting to keep the thread moving

>>213236
that's just some chingchongnipnongwoowoogobbledygook
if you want to throw someone then horsepower is the answer. Anyone trying to limit your strength is coping because they aren't strong enough to beat you when you go all out, so they'll have to gaslight and shame you into not using your power

>>213174
Yes, anyone telling you it's all just timing and the swift breeze of your foot touching theirs is going to make them fall is lying to you. If you look at any high level Judoka they're kicking the shit out of each other constantly to get a foot sweep, it's a bell curve effect. White belts do it because they don't know any better, blue and brown belts work on that magical sweeping technique, and black belts just kick you with timing. That's all ashi waza really is, kicks with timing and hand movement.

>>213269
>erm, ackshually, judo is all about brute forcing everything
Enjoy plateauing
>>213270
You realize all the high level guys know how to do the techniques soft too right? You have to go hard when you’re competing against equally skilled opponents. You will fuck up your technical development if you don’t learn how to be soft when you are starting off. Do you think all the old greats are just lying when they talk about this stuff?
>sweeps are just kicks with timing
The fact that you don’t know how important your upper body movement is to ashi waza tells me all I need to know about your skill level

>>213279
Ken Ken uchi mata is my go to for big fat retards
>>213280
Lmao, ok buddy. I’ll remember that next time im doing o-uchi gari. Does your head sensei tell you to brute force everything like a spaz too?

>>207805
I actually just started training judo in his gym. Decent dude. always gives people shit but in a funny way. Hopefully I'll see some of y'all at his tournament sunday

>>213277
Hehe, weird how the top athletes spend the lions share of their training doing physical conditioning and explosivity training to increase their cardio and action capacity
Heh, weird...must not be experts tho

>>213300
I already know you’re stupid so it’s not surprising you’re wrong
>>213301
The experts aren’t still learning the throws of the sport, fucking retard
>>213303
Ashi waza is more than just sweeps, but the way a sweep is very different the way you would want to kick someone as a strike.

>>213174
Yes. As hard as you can without incurring a penalty.
>t. Ashiwazafag

>>213313
What does it take to incur that sort of penalty?

>>213314
In my experience it's how high you place your kick. You can go hard in competition since adrenaline will mask a lot of the pain from your hard kick, but try to keep it at ~80% power during training/randori.

Also, obviously you will want the sole of your foot to be the point of contact, but I've swept a lot with just the side of my foot.

>>213316
>I've swept a lot with just the side of my foot.
That's basically how you do it in boots.

>>213211
The uchimata spammer will once more learn to fear te-guruma. Holy based.

>>213604
what a bizarre osoto

>>207251
>muh judo

>>213663
Is this not a common variant? One of the heavyweight blackbelts at my dojo does this literally all the time. The girl in the bud didn’t have enough pull to complete the throw, but being gigantic my man is able to smash people with this.

>>213755
Grego-Grip osoto isn't something I usually see

>>213604
This is why i never osoto without controlling the head or arm (sode).

All those cringe videos shintaro has been putting out exposing all the politics and gossip in judo makes me realize I want nothing to do with it

From here forward I declare the kodokan the only legitimate voice in judo and every other organization is just a larp

>>214060
>All those cringe videos shintaro has been putting out exposing all the politics and gossip in judo
Since you watched them do you mind giving a tl;dr? I'm curious but I don't think I'm curious enough to sit through several videos about boomer drama.

>>207423
He had a vision into the future and was terrified by your sheer potential. This is further confirmed by him trying to apply a lethal technique to you, and you just shrugging it off. Especially because he was an advanced student and you were a total novice. But even with that gap in skill, and his dishonourable murder attempt born of sheer desperation, he still couldn’t slow you down at all, let alone stop you. Whether he or the teacher was the villain, only time will tell, but it’s safe to say that he wasn’t the only one scared of you during that class. Neither of you would be welcome at my dojo.

>>214063
Not him, just jumping in to say I cannot wait to see how different the world will be after the boomers finally shuffle off this mortal coil. Maybe we will have functional societies and institutions again.

>>214063
Basically with USA judo having its elections the candidates that were running for positions all went and podcasted individually on his channel for up to about an hour
Which meant giving their pitch while also talking shit about their adversaries and spilling the tea on what happens behind closed doors

It comes down to there being a lot of nepotism, conflicts of interest, and 6 figure embezzlement with money that has just gone missing
Board members paying themselves but not declaring it which risks the organization losing non-profit status

An example of drama would be Jimmy Pedro running for a board position to give him control over the financials, which he says he's going to invest in paying the top up and coming athletes, and he's working to get judo into the American schools like wrestling
And his adversary running for the same position saying that's a massive conflict of interest because Jimmy still owns and operates a gym in Massachusetts and trains athletes, so it's just giving him a direct line of access to invest USA judo funds into his own private business at his discretion

In the whole organization is polluted with random finance guys that have never even done judo before, this is just a job they applied for including the current CEO that apparently the first time he ever put a gi on in his life was when he was hired by being friends with someone there and received an honorary blackbelt

So if you want to know why judo is in such a sad State it's because the people in charge of the organization don't even play judo and are just looking to get paid from membership fees

>>214088
Don't forget that Jimmy Pedro also has a contract where he gets paid 6 figures annually by USA Judo for his American Judo System subscription, so he is already funnelling the money from USA Judo into his own pockets. He has also gotten Judo into a few schools, but they are private schools, and the same methodology won't work for public schools at all.

I think he has a good vision, with wanting pretty much all Judo schools to be run as a business similar to BJJ, with the coaches being full-time coaches that have to take rules seminars (run by Jimmy Pedro of course, who needs to be paid) so they're up to date with current rules and can train for competition. But the issue with this is that there are nowhere near enough good Judoka to do this, as well as there is no money since America doesn't give Judo any money because nobody can medal compared to other sports.

I remember Jimmy's interview he specifically said the only people on the board should be people who can fundraise at least $100,000 annually themselves, which is why random finance guys are getting pulled in. But it's all boomers with no idea how to raise money.

I remember the last interview had a dude running for the board complaining that funds are being wasted because there's no USA Judo magazine that gets published and has articles on USA Judoka, to promote Judo. As if anyone even buys magazines any more.

>>214089
I don't think I believe him that he wants judo to grow
He wants judo to grow* because his business is judo

Making a play for public money just proves there isn't a private market for it
Karate, TKD, BJJ, MMA, These are all valid widespread successful businesses people run
And with MMA excluded barely anybody is making a living competing at those
So this isn't a we don't pay our athletes enough issue since we don't pay our athletes for bjj either and yet produce the best ones

This is a problem with judo itself, Nobody wants to do it, figure out why that is
Because anybody that has a BJJ school and offers judo will see nobody goes to the judo classes, people just don't want to do it

>>207423
sounds like he has a backround in bjj

>>214094
>This is a problem with judo itself, Nobody wants to do it, figure out why that is
What's your hypothesis? How would you grow judo without diluting the discipline?

>>214096
have a ufc division for judo.

literally yhe reason bjj is so popular is because ufc

>>214099
That's baked into the origin of the UFC, seems difficult to fit judo into it in the same way. What would this look like in practice and who would be willing to make it happen?

>>214096
I've actually thought a lot about this and my solution is there needs to be a radical decoupling of judo from the sport
The sport focus is what is killing it

We can compare apples to apples take a take a look at the BJJ class where people are very relaxed joking around practicing their moves rolling after class, and it's just guys enjoying a hobby on their own terms
Look at the judo class they're spending a bunch of time doing calisthenics and neck bridges and uchikomi like they're on a sports team training for something

There is a sport aspect in BJJ for people who want to be sweaty tryhards, And it can also be completely ignored by anybody that doesn't want to do it
Judo ties your promotions based on competition performance in itself, you have to do it. There is no space on the mat for anything less than full commitment

Let's say your average guy has 2 to 3 hours a week that they can get into the club, playing in the club IS the activity for them. It's not preparation for the "real deal" which you have to give up your Saturdays and drive an hour to go do

You're going to find way more people playing pick up basketball games in the park than you will people signed up for basketball leagues
The people that love it that much will take it to the next step, judo demands that you love it that much from the moment you walk in the door. Whether it's intentional or accidental they are gatekeeping it, Not realizing that the more mass appeal you have towards beginners and casuals the more you're going to find people in that group that wants to take it to the next level.

So genuinely the last person I would ever vote to be in charge of expanding judo would be former athletes, because they can't understand anyone else enjoying it for different reasons than they do

>>214103
>BJJ class where people are very relaxed joking around practicing their moves rolling after class, and it's just guys enjoying a hobby on their own terms

im starting to believe i went to a really bad bjj school because my experience was the polar opposite of this


>Judo ties your promotions based on competition performance in itself, you have to do it. There is no space on the mat for anything less than full commitment

promotion is entirely dependent on the school much like bjj.
You can make it all the way to shodan not having competed once at some school.
Meanwhile in bjj some schools have a cirriculum and test just for your first stripe on white
it's very dependent on the school you go to.

>So genuinely the last person I would ever vote to be in charge of expanding judo would be former athletes, because they can't understand anyone else enjoying it for different reasons than they do

you could literally say the same things about competition schools when it comes to bjj

>>214107
>it's very dependent on the school you go to.
some judo schools even test you on a belt to belt basis
white belt testing into yellow etc
much like in bjj each school has different standards for each rank
some schools have green belts that still go into extreme defense when in randori slanted back, hips away etc.
im a yellow belt and my sensei has gotten after me for doing that.
Each school much like bjj has different standards
the problem is there are way more bjj schools than judo. So you have more variety. A competition judo school may be the only option someone has in a 1-2 hour radius

>>214107
>im starting to believe i went to a really bad bjj school because my experience was the polar opposite of this
I'm sure the owner was 1 struggling financially, 2 surviving by jewing the fuck out of everybody who was there, or 3 was the only place in the area and people had no choice

>You can make it all the way to shodan not having competed once at some school
And you'll have your little club belt nobody takes seriously, if you're going by USA judo standards you need to fight your way through brown belt
BTW the fact that judo requires all these auxiliary memberships too is retarded

>>214103
and here's another thing
judo unlike bjj actually requires you to become proficient in the throws
whereas in bjj you can make it to a high rank just doing one or two moves in sparring.
hence all the guard puller memes.
pull guard -> triangle rinse repeat all the way to purple

>>214109
>And you'll have your little club belt nobody takes seriously
BJJ in a nut shell.
There is no registration and they literally have to learn who is an isnt a black belt from either sparring or word of mouth.
If you want judo to just be as loose as bjj why not just train bjj?

>>214112
Because making your metric for a good practitioner based on competition results is the worst way to do it, That makes them a good player it doesn't mean they are wholistically good at the art
We all know The best players are just the guy that has a killer uchimata harai wombo combo and can't do anything else, but they win so they're great at judo and should be the example of achievement
He gets a black belt right away because he throws people super goodly
The guy that can demonstrate the entire list on both sides and knows the English and Japanese names for everything but isnt athletic gets dog shit and has to wait years to be acknowledged with a sympathy belt

In fact you could be a French style judoka and win all of your competitions because you're really good at getting other people to incur penalties against you, don't need to be good at throwing at all.

I'll give you my real world example,
I have in my estimation under 20 to 25 hours of formal judo instruction
I'm a student of the art in so far as I like martial arts in general and study all of them, And the main thing I practice every day is jiu jitsu, And I incorporate a lot of judo techniques into my jiujitsu practice
In the 8 years I've been interested in judo I have not lost a judo match in competition yet, because I can't throw well by comparison but I can force wazaris and then newaza the shit out of people
I'll be the first one to tell you that my judo is mediocre to bad, but in the eyes of USA judo I can batsugun my way through a tournament so I'm awesome
And if you add in the fact that now light gribs seem to be coming back for the first time in 15 years, All of these guys that have been strictly practicing Olympic style judo up until now have to learn something that I have been practicing all this time, So you can argue that I may actually be even better at throwing than a lot of them now

So that's my example on why sport results is not the right way to determine these things

>>214112
>>214116
The correct method is likely in-between, and is what I encountered at my first judo dojo: both competition experience and competency in the broader curriculum were expected. It was explained to us that competition was a tool used to study and test judo and not the end goal of judo as a whole. The school organized and hosted an annual tournament so students didn't have to travel far to get some competition experience.

Non burger here, why is it that US now can't produce a Travis Stevens/Kayla Harrison? Also aren't they both under Pedro?

>>214122
Judo isn't that well regarded compared to collegiate wrestling as well as Greco-Roman & Freestyle. With the exception of a few universities here and there, judo isn't encouraged and funded by the government like it is in judo powerhouses like the Netherlands and France.

>>214122
Here's the crux of the problem
They're rabidly trying to focus so hard on the Olympics and shit that it's a turn off to regular people
If they'd just appeal to normalfags they'll find their Olympians

Pedro's outlook would rather have 5 people on an Olympic team than 10,000 people doing judo as a hobby

>>214122
They were both under Pedro in that Pedro was running the Olympic team when they were on it.

Judo is very badly run and funded in the US, especially considering the US funds their Olympic sports based on medals, and since there haven't been any recently (and usually only 1 or 2 when there is), the funding has gone down. This means that there's less money for US Judoka to travel internationally and compete/train, and have to rely on the current US Judoka as training partners, who are not very good.

It's a bit of doom and gloom but a lot of people think that if there's no medals for the US in Judo in 2028, it's probably over for Judo for a while. It'll be 3 years with no medals, and they get to enter someone in every category as the host country, so if the US Olympic Committee sees that even with all these advantages they still can't medal, they'll probably just cut the money and throw more to Athletics or Gymnastics or something they are good at.

>>214125
With the above being said, this is far more an issue. They need to get people training first, and then eventually someone passionate enough will come through who will train hard, but with the way they run it now, people just don't want to do Judo.

>>207615
Female Jozef Chen

>>214125
>Pedro's outlook would rather have 5 people on an Olympic team than 10,000 people doing judo as a hobby
I disagree. I think Pedro and Travis have the most concrete plan from anyone to improve recreational judo and do something like lacrosse or cycling.

>>214124
Also, the US sucks at greco roman. We're only good at freestyle.

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>>214137
>>214124
>we need more money for dem programs
doesn't matter how it's funded as long as you've got the bare basics set up, funneling more money into jimbo pedro's personal bank account isn't going to magically produce a new judo phenom

>>214158
Okay, but Jimmy and Travis were in favor of a non-competitive black belt track.

>>214116
If you can throw a resisting opponent, and a fellow Judoka in a high pressure situation, then you are good at Judo, much better than someone who can only demonstrate a list of throws with a cooperative partner. That list of throws btw is just a reference/baseline to explain the mechanism of the throw, it's up to you to adapt it to your style and body - this was told to me by my ex-Olympian sensei who has trained with Okano in Japan.

That's not to say that knowing how to demonstrate the throws is not important. We after all need continuity for the art. Here in my country, you need to demonstrate Nage no Kata (on top of competition points) to get a Shodan.

What Judo move would've helped the guy in white?

https://youtu.be/_V1Bjw2RUNY?si=-GTZQdmdjADyvICA

>>214335
The doctrines of maximum-efficient use of energy and mutual welfare would have kept him out of the women's bathroom and out of conflict with the bouncer.

>>214341
according to emg data, it's more efficient to spy on women in a bathroom than to actually communicate with one

>>214335
shitpants-mata into pissoi nage

https://old.reddit.com/r/judo/comments/1gb5yxs/anyone_else_bummed_usa_judo_is_dead/

>Reddit upset because Jimmy Pedo doesn't get to funnel USA Judo money into his pockets.

>>214370
>cared about expanding judo

we can easily expand judo
the problem is we'd end up going down the same route as bjj where mcdojos can pop up all over the place due to the lack if regulation
which just causes more problems because even mcdojo bjj works in actual bjj. But the problem starts when people that are good at bjj running mcdojo bjjs havent got a single clue how to teach.

>ok class today we're doing spider guard
and then you have a bunch if white belts that dont even inow how to cross collar choke or even do basic takedowns and get screamed at for asking questions.

We could easily go down that route. Then you'd have a bunch of black belts running around with half ass judo that dont even know all 40 of the original throws teaching and spreading bad habits. Similar to black belts in bjj that immediately pull guard in tournaments

>>214335
Naked dogeza.

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>most well put together judoka

>>214441
kek

>be me
>don't take judo classes
>practice on my own
>want a brown belt
I deserve it, I see the green belts in judo class and I know way more than them so I should automatically have a brown
If I could just have a brown I'd be motivated to try and get a black, but I don't want to be a white

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>>214451
A Russian with a strong sambo background started taking classes at our school a while back. He promoted straight from white belt to brown belt. If you're as good as you think you are you might have the same experience, otherwise you might find out you haven't learned as much as you think.

Also, white belt best belt.

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>>214452
Gotta buy the super deluxe white belt

I can do everything up though Dai sanyko, and 80% of the others
And all the newaza

I'm embarrassed to ask for an assessment, seems presumptuous

>>214455
>I'm embarrassed to ask for an assessment, seems presumptuous
I assume you're a BJJ guy in a school that also runs judo classes? Tell the judo instructor you've been trying to learn some judo on your own and ask him what he thinks of your progress and if he has any pointers on things you could do better. Don't tell him about the being afraid of wearing a white belt thing or he'll think you're a retard with ego issues.

>>214451
kek you probably wouldn't even last against a yellow belt

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We recently got a new instructor and a lot of his focus is on learning and drilling throws through kata.
Most of the classes are now nothing but warm-ups, kata and uchi-komi with minimal randori.
It's actively making me not want to go train. Fucking sucks, bros.

>>214489
f your old instructors are still around talk to them and get their perspective; maybe this guy's known for coaching kata and they're letting him show off for a bit before returning to something closer to normal.

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>>214544
He has been working on a lot of kata for his black belt exam, yes. We still have days where our old instructor will teach, but if he's unavailable then it's going to be kata time.
>>214550
They're older, but I wouldn't say geriatric. I'm a yellow belt.
It has probably been a month since he started teaching. I wanted to keep an open mind, but I just find drilling kata to be extremely boring, and I don't find that any of the minute details translate into randori. I'm getting better at kata, sure, but not live throwing, which is what I care about.

>>214556
>yellow belt
Opinion disca- actually this is why we're losing to Blowjobjitsu. The low rank niggas need to be engaged.

>>214578
Correct, and the westerners take it way too seriously
They have This idea of grorious nippon honorabu dishaprin
But japanese classes are actually really chill and to the point, show a move, practice the shape a few times, play some judo

We're taking the fun out of it

>>214556
you're probably going over the 40 throws
wont learn proper technique just doing randori but i get you
sparing in judo is fun as fuck

>>214897
>constantly mentioning bjj out of nowhere whenever someone questions a shittily run class

rent-free, try to be less insecure

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>>214898
>what do you mean i have to learn more than 5 techniques and actually be able to demonstrate them to get my black belt11111!

>>214898
I don't agree with every nuance of his argument but he has a point and BJJ helps illustrate it.

>>214897
Why did you delete this?

>>214923
because im retarded.

Too much engagement can lead to people quitting as well.
Like i said in my deleted post 90% of people quit at white in bjj.
the rest get filtered as time goes on.
If you make it to blue some people quit at blue due to time it takes to get blue.
It all depends on the school and their standards some kid on reddit got black in 6 months from competeing some schools wont allow that and will still make you get time on mat.
some people get past blue and quit at purple. From what i can tell lurking once you get to brown you dont care anymore and will likely get black.
But the problem is you can one trick pony your way to black, depending on the school.
Not saying that it's impossible to be a shitty black belt in judo
it's entirely possible.
Like i said in my deleted post black in judo just requires you to be profcient enough to demonstrate and teach.
There are brown belts that still need to warm up to do certain throws and still have trouble with certain throws.
There is a lot of variety and you need to be familiar with it and great at some of it.
it's not like bjj where you can pull guard all the time to black but not be able
to do x or y escapes

>>214926
>Like i said in my deleted post 90% of people quit at white in bjj.
the rest get filtered as time goes on.

here's a good situational example. A brown belt has trouble with uchi mata but can still execute it and show it to lower ranking belts once he's warmed up.

it's hard to describe. But yeah i get why he's mad about kata. I love randori too but i would get tired of trying to figure out why you cant do x or y throw right when the best time to ask why is during uchi komis or kata.
Drilling for profeciency is good but a lot of bjj schools will just show a white belt how to omoplata or kimura and never teach any basic takedowns or any basics at all.
It's why you have so many people not engaging guard pullers
if they did more drills there would be less of this

>>214927
specializations can also be seen in competition videos
i believe it was either in the bjj culture thread or one if the other judo threads someoen complained about how so many judoka OTP.
he said something like
>uchi mata harai wombo combo

it goes to show that just because you get black it doesnt make you a master but you still have to be good enough to teach all the throws when you're warmed up to what you arent good at the standard is completely different in bjj. you'll be either getting your own style or learning the way your instructor does it, in judo the only major differences are gonna be grips and combos

>>214927
>here's a good situational example. A brown belt has trouble with uchi mata
>but can still execute it and show it to lower ranking belts once he's warmed up.

that brown belt will also likely be able to tell you why you're uchi mata sucks or what's wrong with it after they're warmed up.
Where as a lower ranking belt depending on fast they learn is a mixed bag. They likely wont be able to tell you why your uchi mata sucks unless they drilled it with you and got a feel for how you move.
You cant feel that in randori. A majority of the time in randori people are focused on getting ippons not if they over shot their seoi nage arm hook

>>214931
hell, i remember when i first started there was a brown belt who every throw he executed resulted in wazari.
didnt matter what it was the dude had bad self control and would always fall after it. but the thing is he could execute the throw.
The point of judo katas isnt perfection
it's to get you familiar enough to adapt it to the way you play. With that said when you go somewhere else the most
you'd have to change is grip depending on how strict and meticulous your sensei is

>>214933
and uchi komis arent about perfection either.
Everyone does theirs different and some people like black belts do what they're good at and they do it the way they're comfortable while keeping and maintaing form to a point where if you saw it you'd say "that's x throw"

it's like kosoto you can do it the trad way or the skip way.
uchi komis are the perfect way to adapt your style so you're more fluid in randori with it

>>214934
the cirriculum should be realtively the same from all schools with the only differences being what you learn and when and how they grade you.
Some schools test for each belt.
Some only test for black.
Some only grade on a competitive point basis.
meanwhile in bjj you'll come in and you'll start with fucking omoplata from a mount pin and go to a different school and the professor will wonder why you cant double leg

>>214935
and the reason bjj is beating judo in terms of popularity is because the entry to open a school is smaller

you can either do
>get your black
>get approved to open a small business in your area

>get approved to open a small business in your area
>hire a black belt to run it

in judo, in order to have an official school you have to be approved by the one of the governing bodies

>>214936
>in judo, in order to have an official school you have to be approved by the one of the governing bodies

and you have to have rank

>>214936
BJJ is beating judo in the US because judo massively fucked itself from growing.

>get your black
>get approved to open a small business in your area
You didn't even need a black belt historically. For a long time, it was common to see schools in the US run by purple belts or brown belts (sometimes blues belts if you were out in the sticks) because there weren't that many black belts around.

The gokyo is written down, you can buy posters of it
Like nigga what kind of certification do you need? You can watch the whole thing on the kodokan YouTube channel
That's all there is too it, enough with the gate keeping

Certifications are a racket
I'm not getting my ibjjf certification
$40 a year + $400 for the fucking paper with them acknowledging me? Fuck that
Same goes for the ijf

>>214965
>The gokyo is written down, you can buy posters of it
>You can watch the whole thing on the kodokan YouTube channel
You're right, why train at all when you can just watch everything on Youtube? Instructors are a scam.

>>214966
Basically yeah
Grab a friend and go through the material, then sign up for a local competition to try it out
Unless they require you to he a member of their bullshit federation to participate

Martial arts are a literally free hobby

>>214964
exactly there is nothing stopping you from getting your bjj black belt and having stand up days or weeks at your school where you focus on judo

>>214992
Well the barrier for entry for the bjj black belt is non-trivial
It's twice the length of time of a typical judo one and that's being generous
10 years is the low end of average

>>214996
bjj takes so long because every class is a fucking slog of boring shit
>here's a butterfly pass
>here's a butterfly escape
>here's an X pass
>here's an X pass into a sweep
>here's a collar choke
i've tried it for like a week and it bored me to tears

>>215004
bjj reddit:
>why do i feel like im bad at bjj


>cant pass guard
>can do some obscure shit
>cant double leg but can kimura

that's why the retention rate is higher in judo
i literally learned cross collar choke in judo when i did bjj they taught me incorrectly probably on purpose

>>215005
every person ive fought on the ground who cross trains with bjj immediately goes for a cross collar, it's the average bjj players signature move

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>>215009
The signature mat randori move of judo-only players always seems to be trying to submit me from within my closed guard with that papercutter-esque choke that just leaves them open for a pendulum sweep or an armbar.

I've seen Judo brown- and black belts teach really goofy mat technique but that's forgivable because it's not their forte.

>>215009
Collar chokes are pretty fake, just rotate your head slightly and it puts arteries out of position and at that point it's pure pain compliance
Compounded by the sport saying you can't grab fingers even though if someone really tried that shit in a fight you'd peel those bitches right off
People tap because their neck is getting raped, it's mostly false positives

>>215004
Well that's mostly true which is why I don't pay much attention to what the instructor says most of the time
Sometimes they have good insight but for the most part they're just guys with GEDs that don't know anything about coaching effectively
If you want to get anywhere in this sport you need to be 100% responsible for your own education and development
And even when you are progressing at a faster rate than everybody else at the gym and obviously deserve to rank up in most cases they will still hold you back and make it take a decade because it took them a long time so it should take you a long time also, because that means something… or something

>>214089
>are private schools, and the same methodology won't work for public schools at all.
Yeah, but this is how lacrosse and rugby guys grew those sports.

this thread was at 354 posts yesterday
someone got banned kek

>>215360
not just banned, completely erased.