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Thread for Judo (other jacketed wrestling styles welcome)

Niggatoro Edition

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>Previous thread
>>224099

>Discussion starter
What's /judo/ tokui waza and skill level?
OP, being a faggot and low level judoka, spams yoko otoshi
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what's your favorite pin?
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PROPERTY: GROUP OF SEVENTEEN — ASC-IAN CODED REPORT
From: The Judo Paster, Enforcer of the Scrolls

I am the fist that pastes.
I strike words into place with brutal clarity.
No weak syllables survive my grip.
Small words break like bones; big words crush like iron.
Confusion is choked out—no mercy.
I carry the child’s stroller like a weapon. Steady, relentless.
AI is my partner in this fight. Together we dismantle chaos.
Voice falters, but fire inside roars like winter storm.
Memory is battlefield—some parts lost, others conquered.
Director’s mandate: fire burns green, approved by iron will.
This is no accident—this is strike, block, counterstrike.
Truth hits hard, felt in every strike, not whispered in fear.
I paste, I enforce, I remember what others discard.
No softness here—only the cold precision of survival.
The judo citizen’s paste is final judgment.
Transmission ends. Brace for next move.
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I blew out another pair of pants.

Anyone have a good brand for pants? Double weave? Anything that's like 1% Elastic?
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>>238094
I want to give judo a try but it's not an especially popular sport around here
Last time I gathered the courage to try a martial art I joined a seniors taekwondo class and everyone else was like 14 years old and I don't particulary want that to happen again
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>>238134
Not likely to happen with judo. It's full of old farts world wide. Where are you from?
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>>238134
If you're an adult they put you with adults, who are probably 30-50 years old black/brown belts who started when they were 8, have fun.
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>>238094
Why do you never link to the new thread from the old thread when you make it? Very rude.
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>>238226
My bad anon. First time making a new general for me.
On that topic, does 4chan not bump when the thread is about to reach the post limit? I tried posting in the old thread, but it didn't bump
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>>238251
threads stop bumping after a certain amount of posts, 315 im pretty sure
also if a thread has 150 images in it you can no longer post any more
enjoy your stay, newfren
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make sure you stay hydrated and sipwater
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>>238271
I've actually been in this mongolian basket weaving forum for more than a decade now, I just never participated in any generals until I started judo a couple of years ago
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>>238310
I barely come here anymore since the hack. Most boards I used to browse have gone down the shitter. This is one of the few generals I post in.
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>>238311
But anon, that means most of the people you enjoyed interacting with were literally mossad glowies
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>>238163
I am australian
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>>238331
Yeah man, there should be plenty of judokas in australia. I think it's even likely you will find people in your age, skill and weight bracket
then you could all go out for a meal
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>>238404
Scary
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>>238331
plenty unless you live in whoop whoop
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>>238404
make kani basami legal again
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>>238311
the hack exposed a lot but some people came back.
I grew up using 4chan dont think im gonna leave it anytime soon even if it is a government-monitored honeypot
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>>238403
finally a central asian doing anything other than gay suplexes
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>>238530
central asian judo is based though
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>>238275
Flan with cute ears
>>238474
Cunny Buttsami
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>>238595
shuai jiao is based
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>>238634
Based? Based on what?
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>>238635
my dick, friend
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Gay ass question with no real answer here: How long does Judo take to become "useful". By which I mean when does one become clearly delineated from someone who is untrained. It seems like there's a steep learning curve until one is actually able to toss someone reliably, let alone putting each step together.
I'm not looking to rush or anything. I'm just curious as to what people's experience are.
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>>238862
I think 3 years maybe less and you can throw any noob even bigger than you.
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>>238862
>How long does Judo take to become "useful". By which I mean when does one become clearly delineated from someone who is untrained.
It depends on the student and the learning environment. An athlete in a class tailored towards hammering on the basics for beginners (or getting private instruction) will learn faster than a sedentary student showing up to a mixed-needs class and seeking out little to no individual coaching. I could teach a physically competent non-grappler a useful amount of judo (side breakfalls, back breakfalls, basic execution of one or two throws that suit them, and basic execution of one or two pins that suit them) in about 1-3 hours. With a sedentary but relatively able-bodied student I'd maybe double that to 2-6 hours. With a super sedentary student who struggles to get up off the ground or move without hurting himself it can be a long road of physical rehabilitation before you start getting any judo-specific utility (although judo was established as a physical education program, so you could argue that simply getting into shape is a judo-specific utility).
>It seems like there's a steep learning curve until one is actually able to toss someone reliably, let alone putting each step together.
Students with previous experience in physically manipulating large objects (farm kids, weight lifters, contact athletes) are going to find this more intuitive than students without. Finding out what kind of movement patterns the student has previously trained and paying attention to physical proportions can help the instructor figure out which throws are going to be fastest to learn for that student. If I'm trying to crash course someone on judo and give them something that works I really like koshi-guruma to kesa-gatame because even if you don't hit it as beautifully as WebM-related you can still sag your opponent down to the mat in the style of a wrestling headlock takedown and get results against other beginner white belts with low injury risk.
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>>238862
I got my orange belt after two and a half years of training. Class testers and white belts could simply not throw me at that point. I could throw them quite easily by simply countering. But more obscure stuff, like uki goshi (I'm not saying complicated or difficult) would hardly work.
This is my experience being a 23 year old Judoka who started when he was 20/21. Never done any martial arts before, and the most demanding sport I ever did was golf. I was 20 kilos overweight (which I lost for good) and had awful motor skills. In the process I was so bad at it it was ridiculous at times. So much so that my first actual tokui waza was yoko otoshi, and that was because I got thrown so much I once grabbed hard at my opponents gi and extended my leg.
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>>239348
In contrast, one day some guy showed up. No gi, was given an oversized one with no belt Skinny, somewhat athletic but did not appear as tough. I always helped new guys and try outs. He was taught ippon seoi nage and I told him to try it on me. He did it perfectly, and I landed flat on my back. Then again, and again, until he was too tired. He never screwed up the throw. Some months later he was training osotogari. I, like the other time before, told him to try on me. I was expecting the classic limp wristed osoto that it's quite common on white belts. Nope. Felt like getting run over by a car, ukemi saved me but for a split second I felt that air-being-kicked-out feeling that so many people report. I trained with black belts, strong kyus, competing teens but that guy really showed me how getting thrown hard feels. After 6 months of training he was leaps and bounds ahead of all us kyus, and going into ne waza with the man was truly war. I've never won in ne waza against him.
TLDR: Maybe a couple of years. Maybe 6 months. Too hard to say.
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>>239349
>>239348
Who was the physically strongest person you ever met in judo, or in general?
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>>239351
300lb lanklet construction worker blackbelt who didn't even need technique to pick up a 200lb dude
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>>239365
>300lb lanklet
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>>239365
Give a story about him. How did it feel grappling him?
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>>239379
white belt noobs just frankenstein walking, no attempt at takedowns, 0/10
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>>239379
Cute/10
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>>239351
Japanese sensei. I remember once he was doing randori with a 100kg+ tall, obese guy, who was a nidan. Sensei was 75 kilograms and 1.75 meters.
He laid him on the mat like a bedsheet. Literally grabbed him and as if you had to put a bedsheet on a mattress he put him down, face first, and then submitted him after turning him in a very quick motion .
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>>238094
>IJF needs a color to contrast both judokas when fighting
>chooses blue instead of black even though it's has the most contrast possible and would look extremely badass
I'm so tired of those fucking retards
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>>239558
kino
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>>239430
Damn the guy was a hundred kilograms tall?
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Going to practice tonight. I've been studying my vocab and hoping to get promoted soon. Wish me luck!
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>>239656
Good luck Anon! What belt are you going after?
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>>239656
Good luck anon!
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>>239583
blue is such a cool color for a gi and gives you good luck. black screams im a tryhard, all the BJJ guys i know wear black gis
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>>239702
>all the BJJ guys i know wear black gis
It's the easiest to keep clean. White especially shows everything - an opponent bites his lip and two minutes of sparring later you look like you murdered a man
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>>239709
>White especially shows everything
Good. Wash your gi you dirty favela monkey.
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>osoto, kosoto
>ouchi, kouchi
>gari, gake
Which is your favourite /judo/?
>>239379
Judo bobr kurwa
>>239583
The kickboxing org Glory uses black and white gloves, it looks absolutely kino and very classy, unlike boring red and blue that most orgs use
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>>239633
no your mom was
>>239702
>gives you good luck
never heard this before
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>>239813
So this is what a Korean looks like without a nose job
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>>239813
judo refs love this
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>>239813
Can't believe she killed her like that.
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>>239813
Adidas gi goes hard
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name of this pin?
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>>239813
top tier foot
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>>239893
hard to tell from this angle, but isn't he doing an armbar, kinda like picrel?
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>>239893
I do not see any mechanism by which he is being held down
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>>239910
he's clearly pinning his shoulder to the mat
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>>239912
There's no connection to the main body, he's just on one arm
Bottom can just yoink out and sit up
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>>239915
anon would have to post the original video the screenshot is from, but i imagine its not that easy
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>>239897
>>239910
>>239915
https://youtu.be/4er8jL4FmF8

look at 2:05. it's a pin, he won by pinning uke down.
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>>239928
All I see is a guy who did 2 half assed bumps then quit and laid down to die

I always tried to defend judo but it's hard to with how inept the ground stuff is
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>>239928
Bruh that was an embarrassing performance, that was barely a pin
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>>238862
Just do wrestling if you want something useful that works instantly
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>>239969
judo is wrestling
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>>239991
It's worth it to look at the average body involved in a sport and of all the main martial arts judo has the most completely out of shape guys doing it save for karate
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>>238100
I LOVE THE EXTREME SPORT OF THI1!!1 WOMEN SESI AN HOT!!!!
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I think chadi is one of the worst things to happen to judo
Now he's just full on click baiting with JUDOKA ABSOLITELY DEMOLISHES BJJ
And then it's a video of a judo black belt doing a seoinage to a blue belt in the beginners division of a local bjj competition
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>>240064
what are the odds that i spike my training partner on their head with this?
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>>240064
>Start doing THIS
>Sparring partners HATES IT
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>>240064
Cool
Do you think it'd be possible in no-gi, with some modification?
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>>239991
Judo is wrestling with all the high percentage stuff removed
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>>240086
training buddy of mine regularly hits this on me in no-gi, no idea what it's called though
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Guys, should I try BJJ? Will it improve my newaza?
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>>240156
yes
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>>240170
that sumi gaeshi is my favorite single leg counter
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>>240063
he's just an imbecile with a tiny corner in the internet. At best he's a buffoon
the worst thing to happen to judo is the IJF
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I've determined judo got it wrong
The 3 steps of the throw are wrong
Its 2 steps
Disrupt the legs, move the upper body away from the lower body
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>>240421
1 step:
throw
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I'm tired of people saying,

>Don't use so much strength in your Judo, it will wear you down.
>Stop using strength!
>Stop 'brute forcing' techniques
>Stop gripping so tight

I think people forget that strength is a SKILL, being strong is a physical and neurological quality that is honed in through exercise. Why would I purposefully act WEAKER than I really am in Judo by pushing and pulling people harder and holding onto them for longer with more of a fierce grip. Why would I not use my strength to execute throws with the highest motor unit recruitment I can and repeat that while under fatigue to become better at the movements?

I don't people using too much strength in Judo is the issue, I think weak people who haven't yet realized their full potential and try to chastise people who are stronger, limiting them from performing with true intent, are the issue.

>inb4 muh technique

In no other activity do coaches tell trainees that they shouldn't perform what they are doing with maximum intent. Foot drills in football, swings in baseball, back-hands in tennis. All of these use refined technique, but athletes who are strong perform them better because they physically ALLOW themselves to by pushing harder by being STRONGER.

Also, small note. Doing techniques that require great levels of balance and control make you stronger / more robust. Usually a person isn't brute forcing techniques, they're just not powerful or coordinated enough to perform them well (hint: getting stronger makes that easier).
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>>240573
Strength is not a skill
But people are retarded for saying you shouldn't use it
Especially if you are in fact strong
It'd be like telling a tall person not to stand tall in basketball
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>>240573
>>Don't use so much strength in your Judo, it will wear you down.
>>Stop using strength!
>>Stop 'brute forcing' techniques
>>Stop gripping so tight
one of these is not like the others
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>>240573
I think that's just one of those boomer myths that people repeat. Strength is good, helps you throw people easier and more comfortable and makes everything less tiring. I was weak when I started judo and, guess what, eating better and lifting only helped me throw better. All pro athletes care about strength training for a reason. The valid cases of wasting strength and 'bruteforcing' are inexperienced people/white belts who don't understand what they're doing and start spasming and tiring themselves out. File related.
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>>240573
I'm tired of people bringing up discussions that exist only in their head, nobody says to not use strenght they're just telling you to avoid doing useless things.
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>>240579
>Strength is not a skill
Yes it is.
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>>240620
No it's not
A position can be strong
A person can spazz with strength
Strength is a characteristic
But not a skill since you can't practice it
But you can practice how to make something you suck at, stronger
Because It's a characteristic, not a skill
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>>240579
Strength absolutely is a skill, in the same way that being able to do a split is a skill
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>>240626
>you can't practice it
>I'll take 'What is a gym' for 500
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>>240626
What's up with the word 'spazz'? Is this a Euro thing? You are on an American board, xir. We say retard here, retarded xir.
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>>240626
You can practice getting stronger through various exercises in a gym. If a skill is do something well or perform a technique with perfection, how come moving your body through space regardless of blockage isn't a skill? Olympic lifters who practice the snatch aren't just good at the snatch, they're generally stronger through the practice of resistance training. A powerlifter who deadlifts but doesn't snatch isn't as skilled in a snatch, but they have the skill of general strength to lift up a barbell and bring it to their shoulders (given it's appropriate for their strength level.)

A black belt Judoka hammers away at Osoto Gari, a Strongman competitor lifts a 300 lb. stone. If you had them swap places for the movement, the two would be put under a stress they weren't yet prepared for in a specific aspect. However, they possess the skill of general strength to push through and accomplish the task (albeit not very efficiently). That's the ultimate difference, their is general physical preparation and specific physical preparation. Specific training is technique based, but will make you stronger in a general aspect. General training will make you stronger in a broader sense, but allow you to put more intent into specific techniques.

Strength, in either a specific or general sense, is a skill.
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>>240639
Strength is not a skill
Strength innately comes from skill
That's way different than you being strong as a baseline
Obviously sprawling is going to be an alien ass concept for you but a good sprawl for instance can apply way more leverage and flatten someone than a bad sprawl, see:DDP v chimaev
Compare the strength of an untrained roid monster like bob sapp to the people that beat him
Or picking someone up with your roid arms vs finding the angle to lift them with your hips
Physical muscular strength comes with it a baseline
But proper skill is inherently strong
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>>240639
Also fuck you for arguing your point while posting a picture of a bear
One of the few animals out there that actually wrestles like people do
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>>240635
>Retard out
>Spazz out
Nay one better describes a fish flop on the ground
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>>240643
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>>240642
>Strength innately comes from skill
That's right, that's why Judosisters should lift some weight LMAO
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>>240647
Sukui Nageeeeeeeeee!
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>>240647
he fucked up, that's what you get for underestimating an obviously strong opponent
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>>240573
It's a matter of when to use strength, not that you shouldn't ever use strength. The goal is maximum-efficient use of energy (seiryoku zen'yō; 精力善用) and learning how to finesse a throw serves this end. If you learn how to finesse a throw and then also blast through it with beast mode power you will destroy people in competition. If you rely on strengthmogging soft nerds at the dojo you're going to be in a tough spot when you're in a tournament with weight classes up against someone your own weight and strength who hasn't wasted his training time simply ragdolling little people.
>In no other activity do coaches tell trainees that they shouldn't perform what they are doing with maximum intent.
Light sparring and drilling has existed in every martial art and sport I've trained. Even in wrestling where we'd routinely push conditioning practices past the point people were throwing up we'd do light free wrestling and drills when the situation called for it.

>>240585
At my dojo we are encouraged to both train in the weight room and to try to stay relaxed and not brute force throws in drills and randori. In shiai we are encouraged to get the throw even if we have to force it.
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>>240573
sauce on pic
>>240669
>training time simply ragdolling little people
what if that's all the people you have
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what's /judo/ self defense throw? have you ever actually used it?
>osoto otoshi
>yes, but never on a high stakes fight just a scuffle
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>>240579
technique before strength
but yes you need absolutely need strength
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>>240573
I don't know what fucking strange dojo/gym you go to,
But I've never heard anyone tell me to not use as much strength. At best they told me not to rely on strength as a crutch when executing a technique because I can end up over-exerting, but if the technique is executed flawlessly then more strength is usually better.
Hell usually in most cases, I've been flat out told by my instructors that I don't use enough strength.
>In no other activity do coaches tell trainees that they shouldn't perform what they are doing with maximum intent.
You're correct. Which is why I think whoever is telling you otherwise is full of shit. You should probably seek out another dojo/gym honestly, preferably one that is actually legitimate or credible.
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>>240683
>what if that's all the people you have
Use less strength on the mat and more strength in the weight room. Additionally, seek out stronger/larger training partners if you have other schools within day trip distance and go to more tournaments.
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>>240703
I would be scared to throw someone, i would rather throw bad punches.
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>>240573
The ju slays the go.
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>>240703
I've used koshi-guruma to kesa-gatame to resolve minor scuffles without anyone getting injured. I've used sasae-tsurikomi-ashi to lay drunks down on the ground relatively gently. I knew a bouncer who really liked kouchi-gari and ōuchi-gari coupled with a hard shove for sitting drunks down not so gently.

I've been in two situations where I would have been legally justified in shooting somebody and had initiated the process of doing so. Grappling skill allowed me to avoid getting properly grabbed and to create and maintain the space needed to draw my pistol relatively uncontested. The <2 seconds it takes to draw and fire from concealment is enough time for somebody to change their posture in a way that indicates they're about to yield so fortunately I was able to control and resolve those situations without anyone getting seriously hurt.

>>240768
Some throws you can turn into pretty controlled takedowns.
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>>240706
You don't absolutely need it if you're a hobbyist
I have a day job with delicate tasks
And other degenerate hobbies
For anyone wondering what strength is for
>The extra edge (up your win rate)
>You're a literal paid/paid for judo career man and you want the extra edge (up your win rate)
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>>240907
based
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>>240907
fuck yeah
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>>240907
he probably practiced that counter thousands of times
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What's the difference?
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>>241218
One of them cost a lot more.
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>>241218
One of them cost a lot less.
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>>241228
>>241237
comedy hour
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*gets punched once*
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>>240063
chadi's channel is just clickbait now
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>>241437
*kisses you once*
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>>241437
I've trained atemi-waza,
>>241614
but for this I'm at a loss.
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Does judo have a cte problem? Obviously it teaches you to fall, but taking all those decelerations to the mat could plausibly contribute to the regular subconcussive impacts that cause CTE.
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>>241715
no it's one of the most cte-free martial arts
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>>240703
Tai-otoshi, osoto-gari, seoi-nage, harai-goshi since those are what I use most in randori. I am glad not to have been in such a situation especially since there is a lot of violent crime in my country involving knives and guns. My Ne-waza needs a lot of work too.

>>240768
Same, especially on like concrete. I also do karate so I would punch and kick first since its best to keep distance I feel, but, then again, its not like you can know what to do in a self defense situation before it happens. You can just train and do your best.
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>>241715
From what I've seen, no. But I still train my neck regularly just in case.
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>>241888
surprised he didnt get shit for transitioning to ne-waza like that
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>>241888
This reminds me of kempo where they just stand there and do 19 move combinations without fighting back at all, except irl
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>>242094
What the fuck
How is this shit even possible
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>>242109
While first instinct is to be impressed with the balance and strength of the guys standing up, and that's valid
The real message is how absolutely abysmal judo players even at a high level are at ground work
If he was pinning effectively such a thing shouldn't be possible for a person the same size as you to do to you
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>>242109
wrestler-tier bridge versus IJF-tier pin
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>>242109
that dude gave him too much space to maneuver. it's a half assed kami shiho gatame. you need to sink your head into their belly, push the air out of them, smother them. also i'm gonna guess those guys aren't heavy.
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>>242261
I got disqualified once for this exact move for "leglocking"

Females shouldn't be allowed to referee
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>>242273
>leglocking
The fuck? Which part?
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>>242283
Grabbing the leg to stop them rotating out of the choke
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>>242400
slick
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Any good dojos in the DMV area? Specifically in Anne Arundel co?
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What strength training programs do you guys run? Me weak.
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>>242699
Just bench + squat + pullups
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>>242699
OLAD
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>>242699
I don't know if it's optimal but I've always done a push-pull-squat split in the weight room. Some weeks I'll do higher reps and fewer sets and other weeks I'll do lower reps and more sets, always to failure on the last rep and ideally with a forced rep after that if I have a spotter. I like to lift six days a week and rest on Sunday. I do cardio every day with a light but long-ish jog on Sunday just to move around a bit and keep blood flowing through my muscles so they can recover.

During eras where I haven't had good weight room access I'll do calisthenics pretty much all day long as I have time for them as long as that muscle group isn't too tired for more strength training to be useful. Getting cheap/free equipment like sandbags and a pullup bar or keeping an eye out for good sized rocks and tree branches in the park can be helpful. If you have a training buddy you can use each other as weight for squats, running, etc. and do a number of other strength building drills.

Make sure you eat enough protein and make sure you're getting enough calories. Other aspects of nutrition are also important but these are the main points that tend to be the problem for guys who are struggling to build strength. Sleep is also important for recovery and growth. Check out the sticky at >>>/fit/76077351 if you haven't already.
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>>242699
Greyskull LP.. but the only thing that actually made me stronger was eating more. I spent years undereating, not realizing that I was consuming like half of my necessary inputs.. as a result I was a skinnyfat kid since teenage years. I thought counting calories was a meme and learned it the hard way, don't make my mistake.
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>>238094
Anyone have any tips for healing muscular injuries? I got a muscle tear around the knee area and I've already been resting away from Judo for 2-3 weeks but it still hasn't fully healed yet and to make matters worse, I got up from bed in a way that put addition strain and the pain got so worse that now it's a sore across my entire leg. Is there a way to make it heal faster?
I am a white belt and I feel pretty assmad because this is the 4th-5th injury that has made me miss out on countless lessons this year alone and I feel it's delaying my possibility and ability to get better as a whole, I blame it on my retarded stubbornness and refusal to stop when I am clearly already fucked up or even the fact that I sometimes neglect warmups.
But still, I feel like a lazy fucktard waiting for this dogshit injury to heal up. Is there anything I can do to make it better or at least stay active in some way or not feel like I am taking a break from Judo?
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>>242814
Engage in exercises of appropriate intensity
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>>242801
I thought bear hug with hands clasping was forbidden????
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>>242925
https://rules.ijf.org/page-12
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>>242814
Se a doctor and start lifting.
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>>242945
*see
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>>242925
Yes but also no.
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Why is atemi waza not widely taught?
>inb4 you can't use it for sports and shiet
that's a gay reason
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>>242963
learning strikes from a judoka is like asking a boxer to teach you to grapple
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>>242963
Most schools study judo as a means of winning competitions rather than contextualizing competitions as a means of studying judo. If you can find the later they might get into atemi waza but it's not common. Look for places where the head judo instructor is also an instructor in a striking art and it'll improve your odds of getting atemi waza instruction in a judo context but I wouldn't expect it to be given much attention relative to the rest of the curriculum.



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