>>243740
What killed bjj?

>>243913
bjj

>>243913
Nothing. People practice BJJ where I live like Karate used to be practiced in the 80s. Joe Rogan isnt trendy anymore but its still plenty popular.

>>243913
I did.

>>243913
it insists upon itself

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>>243913

Bros... it feels like things are finally clicking for me.
My top game is actually coming together. From guard passing to the various mount positions, I feel like having an actual game plan. Even in scramble positions it feels like I have at least a decent response for everything.
I still get dunked on by opponents with better technique but even there it feels like I can actually create threats.
My bottom game lags behind but I am working on it by starting more from disadvantageous positions.

>>243740
faggot op, link the new threads in the previous one if you insist on making them after bump limit on one of the slowest boards on the website

>>244158
>one of the slowest boards on the website
Exactly and the other one is on page 6
We're page 1 material around here

>>243913
Andrew Wiltse's mental health episodes.

>>244158
New good, old bad.

What will aid me better on the streetz

Bjj or MT?

>>244291
Prolly MT
Lower skill floor, BJJ has a bunch of fluff that works well in competitions but not necessarily when your opponent can just stomp on your face, and getting on the ground in a self-defense scenario is kinda sketchy in general

Following situation:
I've got a rear body triangle on my opponent, but he has managed to wrap an arm around my head in a quasi bulldog choke position, with us both lying on that arm's side (meaning his elbow and forearm are on the ground)
It's not choking me, but I can't effectively attack with my head stuck, I can't move his arm because he's leaning on it with all his weight, and I'm reluctant to release the body triangle
He, on the other hand, is quite safe from being attacked so long as he holds my head, but he can't start opening the body triangle to escape without risking releasing my head and having his back fully taken
So, in a stalemate like this, what do?

>>244294
Thanks

There's lots of bjj gyms around me, but I just want to learn something practical

>>244304
Don't get me wrong, BJJ can be very effective, and you definitely should have at least a basic idea of how to grapple, if only to be able to get out of a pin and stand up. But punching and kicking is easier and faster to learn and doesn't put you in as precarious of a position if something goes wrong
Honestly, if you can justify the time and money commitment, you should at least try, and ideally become halfway competent in both. But if you just want to know how to fight off drunk retards at a bar, you can't go wrong with MT

>>243740
What is happening in this move here?

>>244309
Presumably a bow-and-arrow choke

>>244308
Im leaning towards judo instead of BJJ

>>244295
Say to your partner after some time has gone by "this is gay, want to reset?"

But it also don't be so in love with the body triangle, you could switch it to a half back mount and you're half way to a twister

>>244304
BJJ will give you some great skills that compliment striking well.
You learn about takedowns, counters to takedowns, staying on your feet, recovering quickly when on the ground and all of the obvious things as well.
Having these tools really comes in handy even if you don't plan on grappling in a self defense situation.
Another bonus BJJ has is that damage is more controlled so you can choose how hard you want to injure someone. This can help in countries where self defense laws are fucked since a punch or throw can lead to your opponent taking a greater injury than intended, though of course in life and death situations, you probably don't care about that. But you may have to control someone until police arrives without killing the person and here it can help a lot.
Still MT is a great choice if you go for that instead.

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IT'S F*CKING SIMPLE

Why is she taking such joy in the pain Blue Gi is experiencing!? She is in a lot of excruciating pain and she can't Fucking get out of it!

Just discovered octopus guard and it seems pretty cool.
However it looks like a position where I could end up unintentionally reaping someone. Is this an actual danger of the position or am I just being paranoid?
Also how forgiving is the position in general? Do I have to do everything perfectly or does it leave room for error?

>>244447
It's buggy choke tier, mostly used to meme on someone and disrespect them
There's so many other preferable things you could be doing from there

To make it work well you need to either be a lanklet or really fast twitch

Does striking really make 99% of BJJ obsolete?

What about if you add dirty attacks like gouges, ball grabs etc

>>244451
>Does striking really make 99% of BJJ obsolete?
No both work well together.

>What about if you add dirty attacks like gouges, ball grabs etc
With BJJ they work even better. Why does everyone assume BJJ involves signing a treaty that you can never use any dirty tricks in a fight?

>>244451
>>244458
Simple explanation of what I meant:

https://youtu.be/PJz8YQ5rXZw?si=ZWVZ3hwTX90O-9HA&t=60

I'm at a bit of a dilemma

I have a Carlson Gracie bjj school near me. It provides bjj every day, and one session a week "judo for bjj"

Or I have Judo near me for half the price.

I intend to go around 3 times a week.

I keep seeing videos of Judokas getting their backs taken and choked out after failed throws by BJJ guys so it's swaying me away from judo as it seems to be very high risk low reward and has lots of rules compared to bjj (no leg grabs, guillotines, etc)

What would be the better choice. What should I consider when choosing between these options?

>>244295
I had a similar situation many times with a few people in side control.
My opponent was unable to escape (mostly because they go for 1 move escapes instead of chaining them) while I messed up submissions or going to full mount and they were good at defending. So it was minutes of side control. The way I see it, they were unwilling to give me an easy way to mount or a submission, just like I was too stubborn to go for a more risky way to mount or a submission that could lose me side control. So both of us were fine with the stalemate for better or worse.
You have to ask yourself what your goal is for the round. If you want to improve and get more training value out of it then just give up the advantage so the position becomes mobile again. However it is also fine to keep the stalemate going as the other guy can do the same and there is also training value in trying to learn how to break up a stalemate against someone who is stubborn.
It only becomes a problem when one of you begins bitching about it.

>>244461
What are your goals?
If you just want to do a martial art, then it doesn't matter, just pick the one that seems more fun
For MMA, BJJ will be generally more useful, since the rules are more open and the skills transfer better
For self defense, knowing how to throw people and remain standing is extremely valuable, much more so than ground game. And while Judo's newaza is quite basic compared to BJJ, it will be more than enough against 99% of poeple

>>244474
What makes me a bit hesitant is that leg grabs seem to be the most high percentage and least risky moves in grappling and judo negates them

>>244474
Does judo train escapes from full mount, and escapes from rear naked choke etc?

>>244476
As I said, if you want to do MMA (or any other kind of cross-discipline competition), then BJJ is probably better
For self-defense, this doesn't really matter. "On the streets", it's extremely unlikely that someone will shoot a good leg takedown (and for the less-than-good ones, sprawling them out will be quite easy), and you almost certainly won't need them, as you'll most likely be working from a clinch, where Judo's foot sweeps and hip throws are incredibly useful

>>244477
Yes and yes. Less so than BJJ, but both positions are taught and used in Judo

>>244434
This guy makes Reddit seethe and I really like that.

"My latest instructional, how to German Suplex the out of shape hobbiest 40 year old in your tournament bracket"

>>243740
>BJJ general
>every reply is rage bait, asking about other martial arts
Every time. I'd love to never visit r/bjj again but you contrarian fags ruin every thread. No where else to see clips or discuss

>>244500
you need to go back

Heard some girls at work saying something about jiu jitsu today.
Made me angry. WHAT DO YOU KNOW OF IT YOU DUMB BITCH

>>244505
What did they say

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>>244461
>I keep seeing videos of Judokas getting their backs taken and choked out after failed throws by BJJ guys
I doubt those guys were good at judo. This isn't a "hurr judo is ackshually better" post, it's just the risk of back exposure on turn throws is way overblown compared to how much it really happens. You can take somebody's back in judo and choke them, but you rarely see it done on good throw attempts. It usually happens on lazy/sloppy throws after a guy is gassed or trying to stall. In modern no-gi/mma, we see more turn throws now than ever before, yet we don't see guys getting their back taken and choked off of it anywhere near as often.

>>244507
I don't know. Something like one mentioned jiu jitsu and the other struggled to even say the words, probably because they've never heard of it. Also something about karate.

>>244505
They said guard pulling and leg attacks from bottom gives them the ick.

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why the fuck is the john wayne sweep so effective? once you understand how to use the knee-lever and how to position yourself underneath your partner it's stupid easy and i hit it all the time in training

>>244539
Because your partner's like most people in jiujitsu are being scrubs and letting the floor carry their weight instead of your body and just kinda sitting there waiting to be disrupted

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huh

>>244636
This is how you get hurt

Durrr I'm trapped in a submission and not even attempting to escape, I'll just sit here and eat it as long as I can

>>244635
>80 years old match

>>244635
unc vs unc

>>244636
at this point might as well kill yourself

>>244539
People aren't that good at passing half guard and put their knee on the mat. Even good people might do it in transition from bodylock to half guard. I particularly like this setup too, if I'm in a splitsquat/RDLR situation:
https://youtu.be/LU2beiyQcTQ?si=9UnPHwVeLRIVRPMi&t=255

what steroid stacks could be used effectively to gain a real edge on competitions ? idgaf about moral, i want some gold temu medals

>>244759
can you get test? start with that , it can be crazy effective, even at low doses.
are you trying to get huge with muscle into a higher wieghclass? steroids won't make you better at bjj.
If you start with some test, you'll be able to train longer and harder , which will give you more muscle and actually make you better

>>244760
i want to body recomp, stay at the same weight class but with way more muscles.

Right now, i have trouble finishing people because i feel weak as fuck. Even little guys makes me look like i'm some sort of weak ass woman.
I want to break the arms of people without even realizing it was that much pressure, to be honnest. At least, being capable of doing so.

>>244768
This is the stack

https://www.yoursoma.com/products/cjc-1295-ipamorelin-blend?_pos=1&_sid=c220d1090&_ss=r

https://www.yoursoma.com/products/bpc-157-tb-500-blend?_pos=2&_sid=df6414a0a&_ss=r

40lbs of contractile tissue in 6 months

>>244770
that + 500mg of test/week then ?

>>244770
you niggas are so getting cancer with these GHRH bs

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>>244768
>Even little guys makes me look like i'm some sort of weak ass woman.
have you tried going to the gym?

>>244796
i do, i bench 110kg, squat 130kg, deadlift 160kg. My knees are kinda fucked up so i could do better squats i guess but i'm kinda afraid to blow them.

But when i'm rolling, i don't know i can't apply strength i find myself unable to exploit my muscles efficiently.

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>>244797
doesnt sound like a lack of strength to me then unless you're deathgripping and gassing out every round or something. how long have you been training?

strength really doesn't play as big of a role if your technique sucks ass. take the basic arm bar finish for example: i'm not a strong guy but i can tire out beefy white belts just by holding my elbows tight to my chest and gable gripping my hands together. they pull and pull and pull but nothing happens, even though on paper they can bench or deadlift more than i could.

>>244799
I really start to struggle with cardio after like 3 to 4 rounds depending on the intensity my opponents puts. I try to always match theirs, starting from flow on my side up to wherever they want to go.

May be my techniques are really shitty, i'm little bit less than one year in (~9months). But even 1 months whitebelts can sometimes be tricky to submit (they never win, i gain the positions easily and maintain them as long as i wish but i struggle with the finishing part of the fight. I could win with points I guess, but i want to know that i can be dangerous.)
this is really frustrating to me as I rarely win against people that started at the same time as me or 2-3 months before. I feel like absolute garbage and i know for a fact that if i were to compete today, i'd get obliterated because i have absolutely nothing on me to be confident since i know that no matter what i try and how much tryhard i put i still end up loosing eventually. My fair guess is, if I were 15kg of fat lighter, and 15kg of muscles more dense, i'd end people with ease

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>>244800
>I really start to struggle with cardio after like 3 to 4 rounds
you should work on your cardio off the mats, but on the mats you need to be mindful of your breathing and pacing: don't hold your breath, calm down when you're in a position where you can rest, don't deathgrip etc.
as you get better, you spaz less and expend less energy.
>May be my techniques are really shitty, i'm little bit less than one year in (~9months). But even 1 months whitebelts can sometimes be tricky to submit
>this is really frustrating to me as I rarely win against people that started at the same time as me or 2-3 months before.
9 months is nothing in the grand scheme of things and everybody learns at a different rate. some of them can have an athletic background or previous grappling experience. some people are just smart and pick things up quickly.
>i know that no matter what i try and how much tryhard i put i still end up loosing eventually
dont worry about losing, you get to eat plenty of shit in this sport. try stuff out and dont be afraid to lose, that's how you grow.
competing is a skill in itself. no way you can get worse by competing, so i recommend you try it out.

anyway my professional psychoanalysis is that you dont need TRT or steroids, you just need to git gud

>>244794
That's an extremely excessive amount of test, people usually start at 50 and work up from there
I've never even seen a prescription for more than 200

>>244768
>Right now, i have trouble finishing people because i feel weak as fuck. Even little guys makes me look like i'm some sort of weak ass woman.
>I want to break the arms of people without even realizing it was that much pressure, to be honnest. At least, being capable of doing so.
Yeah just give this guy tren. Nothing could go wrong here.

>>244812
i can be trusted with super strength coach, trust me coach. Give me the gun coach i am trustworthy. Coach.

>>244797
Either your technique is shit or you try to muscle through situations where it is pointless which is also shit technique.

>>244800
>i'm little bit less than one year in (~9months). But even 1 months whitebelts can sometimes be tricky to submit
NIGGER YOU HAVEN'T EVEN BEEN TRAINING FOR A YEAR XD
When in a position like top mount or side control, you have to isolate the elbows and weaken their mobility before you can go for serious attacks. Someone with a strong frame will not give up his arms voluntarily if you just try to pull them off. You always want to create uneven fights like 2 arms against 1 arm or having your big muscles push against his small muscles.
Mate it looks like you need a psyche evaluation more than technique tips.

>>244813
You will be shock infantry!

>>244814
well i started in september 2024, but where i live there is not training during summer and i had to take a month off in december and in june due to job.

But the whole "2 arms vs 1" i know, but when i put the two i get set off balance and the person escape, or sometimes, they don't do shit i just can't manage to get their arms to move even 2v1.

>>244836
If someone is very stubborn with locking his arms then just attack his neck. Crossface or papercutter are great at forcing someone to react. An elbow will go up, your opponent will try to pivot to the side or there will be an escape attempt.
Whitebelts are usually bad enough that they won't set up a proper defense or counter play when they get passed. Most of the times I pass a whitebelt, I can just get an isolated arm together with the pass and attack from there.
The #1 Kesa Gatame defense for example is just NOT flaring your inside elbow out when your opponent has you in side control, yet I see this happen all the time.

>>244841
>Crossface or papercutter
Totally forgot about North South Choke but this one can be tricky to finish. Still great if someone is overly defending his arms.

>>244658
>>244635
Lachlan will probably win just on health factors alone, I know Marcello beat cancer but yeah he probably isn't 100%

>>244800
Skill issue. If you get big, you'll still lose because there will be other big people who actually have technique. Git gud retard

>>244924
ofc i don't expect to win against everyone easily. I just want to win against some people, as of right now i haven't won more than 10 rolls in my whole year-ish of practice. Even against smaller opponents, sometimes white belts smaller opponents (which had 6-12months more experience than me, but whatever)

I feel like if I get assaulted on the street right now i'm defenseless and i don't like it.

>>244800
Matching is a meme
Performing at your comfort level in your comfort zone is what you should be doing
Unless you compete then idk what to tell you
I do both judo and BJJ but I have nerdy hobbies and a typey-articilate job so I'm not willing to match others and compromise my other aspects of my life
But I think I'm better for it

>>244928
I feel like if I get assaulted on the street right now i'm defenseless and i don't like it.
What fucking shit hole do you live in where this is a practical and grounded fear
My advice is avoid such places
I don't care if you're a girl or a boy
This is a really fucked up fear to have but if you must learn self defense
>Volunteer to grapple with someone using a rubber knife, to see how much of a shit show knifes are
>Learn the breakfall aspect of judo, because not dying from a fall on hard surfaces is a useful life skill
>Learn how to create space to stand up, which is from BJJ, and is useful for running away
Otherwise in terms of grappling to win have a goal in mind and ask yourself when you show up to class how the lesson of the day can conceivably lead to that goal
It won't always, but it does get you thinking
My goal was the Boston crab
I've only crabbed like 4 people in 2 years but what it ended up leading to was a tendency to get to north south and north south choke
Find something you want to do that's concrete and technical
"I should be winning more" is not concrete
And "I'm worse than people who started around my time" is unhealthy
Never compare yourself to others when you could be getting good at your own thing, in your own way. A blue or purple belt is always going to be technical, but browns and blacks are ideally stylish

>>244934
I poop a lot.

>>243740
How do I counter wrestlers with BJJ? They keep going for double leg takedowns and I can’t stop them. I go for guillotine chokes, but i get taken down. I can never seem to get the choke tight enough when they are charging at me. The fact that they are not wearing a gi really really limits me as well.

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>>244945
pull guard
what now, wrestlefags?

I'm still trying to work out why BJJ is so much more "respected" in the eyes of general people than judo. If someone says they have a judo black belt especially if they aren't physically imposing you almost think "haha bullshido"

If someone has a bjj blue belt even if they are dyel you sort of think damn this guy can snap my limbs or choke me out from 100 angles

Is it because judo gripping game and clean ippon throws is pointless when people are fighting and it'll just end with both of you falling to the floor clumsily and that's when BJJ shines?

>>244965
BJJ is arguably the most common grappling base for MMA, and there is no better advertisement for a martial art than its effectiveness in MMA

>>244968
Yes but why did it become the most common grappling base

Surely wrestling was there way before it

>>244934
>And "I'm worse than people who started around my time" is unhealthy
yeah bro it's like it's hardcoded in our DNA that we want to compete and survive. Everyone wants to be good, those who say otherwise are copingmaxx

>>244965
>BJJ is so much more "respected" in the eyes of general people than judo
This perspective only applies in North America and parts of Europe. Judo mogs internationally.

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>>244965
Can you really call it respected when the normie opinion is that it's the gayshit martial art?

>>244971
No I mean everyone learns differently so you can't expect yourself to pick up on the same skills in the same time
Yes you should want to get better, but you simply shouldnt compare yourself to anyone else in that way because it's pointless

>>244966
At least in modern times judo where I'm at doesn't emphasize submissions
So I think in general knowing a little about odd interactions is where BJJ shines
>Law enforcement
Namely knowing that it's a bitch for one person to hold another down
>What you said
Some judo throws are an ippon but throw your opponent right into you, which leads into my next point
>If you are on the ground with or without your opponent
Its better to have some experience there than none at all
and to know how to stand up in a way that protects your head
>Joint manipulation
Even if you aren't trying to sub someone being able to foresee your arm or leg bending in a fucked up way is excellent for safety

>>244934
>My goal was the Boston crab
>I've only crabbed like 4 people in 2 years
THIS NIGGA IS A SERIAL KILLER, SOMEONE CALL AUTHORITIES!

>>244971
Comparing yourself to others like this one guy does can make you more insecure, even if you actually do improve at a better rate than your peers. There is room for that mindset to develop into an unhealthy obsession.
Nothing wrong with trying to improve in general but measuring your skill compared to other people at your gym can be pretty pointless, especially for those who have been training for longer than you, since everyone else improves as well.
Some people train more often than others, people will attempt to specialize in one area over another, injury may cockblock someone for a while and of course there are occasional plateaus and setbacks.
You should approach classes with getting great learning value out of them not with merely winning. I have a high winrate game plan that is just spamming guard pass -> Side Control - Americana but I have done it so often that I get more learning value out of intentionally getting passed or trying different dominant positions, even if they are less secure.

>>244928
Again, git gud. Figure out a submission you are decent at or might like to focus on. Learn proper finishing mechanics, some setups, and common reactions (ask your coach, find an instructional). You're not going to get good just trying to "win" in training without any direction. You need to be able to evaluate your rounds and ask your coach good questions. Example:
>hmm I keep putting this guy in a triangle but it never works because he does X, what should I do?
>I'm trying this sweep you taught but X is happening, how do I fix it?
>this person keeps putting me in side control and I'm stuck, how do I escape?

>>244945
There is no way around just learning some wrestling fundamentals, especially defensive skills. Just ask your coach (or youtube) for some basic double leg defense and handfighting tips. Keep in mind that just because you get put on a hip, it doesn't mean the exchange is over. You can often get up, potentially counter wrestle, or at the very least get a good guard rather than end up in a pin.
>t. I train in a very ADCC-centric gym where we focus on preventing scoring from takedowns

Please... I'm Brazilian and claim for you now: taking off this for my country.

Leave us with just the Noble Art.

>>245001
On the corollary my last 20 subs in the past 2 months was north south choke
Again the point is the path isn't clear cut unless anon has a coach, talent, competes, and wants to go pro
All us hobbiests can do is what we're comfortable with on our own pace
Anon's current mindset imo will have them bring a classic "blue belt and quit" kind of guy

>>245010
Yeah idk about you but anon unironically needs an upper belt to take him under their wing
Its good to talk a lot, make friends, and find people to put ample mat time into/with

>>244459
I love him, but he has to lose the mustache, man… He looks so much better here

>>245026
i don't have anything better to do with my life than training, with little perspective of improvement on that matter. So no, i'll keep showing up.
I don't have much friends either, so i'd say that it is the best way for me to socialize.

But i just want to feel like i'm improving and not just the worst guy in the gym. My coaches don't give a single fuck about me, because there are many people around and some of them are competitors with some hope to get somewhere someday.

Last time i asked one positive one negative feedback to my coach, the guy was embarassed and just said "yeah uh, idk just keep coming it's going to work out" i was there for 6 months already. He just straight up doesn't have a clue about what i'm doing usually and how/if i have improved since the beginning.

I tend to hang out with blue/purple, but even there when i ask questions they answer not precisely, which is fair and fine since they are not coaches. But i feel like i'm on my own to figure things out. Which i did every single time i realized something, was due to youtube / instructionnals and me visualizing things in my mind before and mid roll. But it takes time, too much in my opinion.

Oh, and ofc, i considered switching gyms : there are not another one in the area. Sadface.

>>245081
>don't have anything better to do with my life than training
I think unless you intend to compete and go pro is this unhealthy
Endeavor to partake in other simultaneous hobbies
>Yoga
Helps me big time with shoulder flexibility and just keeping my heart rate low, the more tense you are the worsenyiur breathing=you gas quicker
That and breathing with your diaphragm (thanks rickson ala the hulk) is huge
>I don't have much friends either, so i'd say that it is the best way for me to socialize.
Yeah BJJ is good for this, engage in people who stay to workshop stuff after class is over
Ask questions. Always volunteer to Uke when people are asking each other to try a sub, feeling a sub or developing a feeling for good subs is half the fun of learning to defend them
>But i just want to feel like i'm improving and not just the worst guy in the gym
Win rate isn't everything, especially if you're just a white/blue belt
no one technique will improve your game, but once you consistently show up to class and learn a little bit of everything you can start piecing together fundamental movements to make interesting sequences
>i was there for 6 months already
I've got 3-4 years in the sport
I dont consider myself very good
But there are people I absolutely clown on, and people who absolutely clown on me, no such thing as a fair fight since all of us have different talents and backgrounds, it's up to you to keep showing up regularly and engaging in as many different styles of exposure and training until you find something that clicks
>But it takes time, too much in my opinion
The fastest black belt is something retarded like less than a year
But I don't know about you, I would rather be the best white belt rather than the greenest black belt

>>245081
>every single time i realized something, was due to youtube / instructionnals
This is more common than you think. A lot of coaches might be good at rolling, but suck at teaching. Just stick to good instructionals (submeta, Danaher, Gordon, etc.) and you'll quickly surpass people at your gym.

Also, start lifting if you haven't already

>>245150
>Also, start lifting if you haven't already
i do, that's the whole starter of the convo i wonder if i should just blast steroids to get better on the mat faster. But yes i do

>A lot of coaches might be good at rolling, but suck at teaching
Bro he doesn't even acknowledge me as i don't have the money to compete i'm a second class citizen to him lol, as i said he only focuses on kids that competes every weekend and the most promising people in the gym. Which i'm not

>>245133
>I think unless you intend to compete and go pro is this unhealthy
i don't have much money, life has been pretty hard on me recently so i can only afford the gym and bjj. I wish i could do something else from time to time
>workshop stuff after class is over
impossible as our gym can't do overtime, we need to leave the place after training

>>245155
>impossible as our gym can't do overtime, we need to leave the place after training
Honrstly if you want to build strong relationships and learn the good personalized shit this is non negotiable
The sooner you find a gym that doesn't care the sooner you'll be pissed to get gooder in a healthy way

>>245159
>Pissed
Poised

>>243740
Do you have trouble sleeping when you train in the evening?

>>245026
Nah I was just memeing about boston crab. You need to have at least some sadism to go for that.
I sometimes tap people with kesa gatame pressure and feel bad a bit about it but the position develops naturally from side control. For boston crab you have to actively go out of your way into strange positions to get it as far as I know, so you 100% intend to pull a humiliating submission.

>>245166
I sometimes fall asleep a few hours too early which can mess up my sleep schedule.

>>244945
learn to sacrifice throw
learn to kimura
learn to shut down their takedowns with stiff arms and sprawl then you are now in front head lock or top turtle on them

>>245166
yes but I think it is because I drink a coffee in the afternoon before I train

>Going to Brazilian Jiu-Jitsu (BJJ) once a week will likely take 2 to 4 years to earn a blue belt

True or not?

>>245279
more likely 4 than 2 at once a week, yeah. Especially if you are not a fast learner and/or no athletic background.

But remember at the end of the day, at 1x a week you are a pure hobbyist, who cares which belt you are ? its only purpose is to close the kimono and impress the newfags

>>245291
Thank you based anon. I have been offered classes once a week for free.

I could only realistically attend once a week anyway due to doing MT, lifting and also having a job, family etc.

I've seen so many threads where people say once a week you won't learn anything etc. so your post is very encouraging

>>245292
>I've seen so many threads where people say once a week you won't learn anything etc. so your post is very encouraging

how can your brain not getting informations and getting smarter if it does something ? by definition you'll always learn when you do something. The question is the rate and the quantity of information you get, which will be low there. But it can never be 0.
Ofc, if you were to do 2 sessions per week, you would have +100% mat time instantly which makes it better

>>245292
Your learning will depend on your learning style, their teaching style and how much live situational training there is.

If you are spending half the class doing solo warm ups like break fall and shrimping up/down the mat then they show you two-three unrelated techniques IE a side control escape then an armlock, then you just "roll" starting from your knees - you are in the worst environment for learning and it's going to take you a really long time to get "good" and any belt you get will be based just on how much money you've given the instructor.

>>245302
>If you are spending half the class doing solo warm ups like break fall and shrimping up/down the mat then they show you two-three unrelated techniques IE a side control escape then an armlock, then you just "roll" starting from your knees
Kek that's literally me, i left after less than 2 years, it was so boring.

>>245307
Don't you put together what you learnt in sparring

Isnt that the whole point?

>>245302
I mean, how does a "good" bjj class look like?

>>245292
>I've seen so many threads where people say once a week you won't learn anything etc. so your post is very encouraging
I blame all the lifting youtubers who started pushing the optimization meme for this mindset.
"IF YOU DON'T OPTIMIZE 100% THEN ALL GAINZ WILL BE LOST IN A WEEK!" and shit like that caused this general mindset that doing anything physical is only worthwile if you can get 100% efficiency or otherwise you may not do any activity at all.
In reality training once a week is pretty solid. While you get more out of training multiple days a week, you can still get decent progress.

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>>244963

>>245308
Drilling is boring, little stand up is boring. That's all.

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How much do you pay to train? I’m shopping around to get back on the mat

>>244451
If you close your eyes and think about all the weird niche moves that now comprise the tournaments nowadays, then almost, yes. But like, you only really need like 5 moves to be effective, so it's a moot point.

>>244509
Not all judo is created equal. There's lots of places where it's not very popular and doesn't have a very good talent pool. And judoka giving up their backs is chronic because it's used as a stalling tactic in competitions where you got limited time to do matwork. it's a problem with wrestlers too.

>>245317
exposing your back =/= giving your back

>>245309
Lots of asian women getting footlocked by my mouth.

>>245315
$250 at B-Team. Random gyms are like $200 in major cities, closer to $150 in smaller cities.

>>244945

Learn to outwrestle them and stop them.

takedown defense has always been cope, if professional fighters can't stop them, what makes you think there is a way around time and effort put in the basics?

at least I have a shitty decent sprawl.

>>244963
LMAO at the guard puller. I used to think I was fancy doing that like I know what I'm doing when even Marcelo and that Mikey kid are fags that go for shitty overcomplicated leglocks only to eat right hands, soccer kicks and get lay and prayed for 5 rounds.

shit like octopus guard has never been useful or caught an opponent off guard in the history of EVER, and I'm not just repeating what I remember my partners and coaches said.

proof is if it were, Japan would be KING in the fighting arena because they're so smart. they're not.

>>245317

I forgot how shitty and incomplete Judo is. GI dependent throw that is impossible to pull off + armbar, the shittiest submission ever will always be a joke.

to answer the other guys question : don't be a poorfag and do both.

in this special specific instance it is the exception, that BJJ is richer and superior. but not the rule.

>>245309

a lot of Asian people let you go for moves instead of smashing you for their Mexican ego.

you get 8 rolls per 1, 2 hour class I don't remember. No bullshit drills, no even more bullshit warm up. just taking advantage that sparring doesn't rock your brain and getting your money's worth.

>>245456
>the shittiest submission ever
Citation needed
Isn't armbar the highest % joint lock in MMA and like third most successful sub overall, behind RNC and guillotine?

>>245459
In my opinion RNC is overrated as most of the strength comes from the back take. It really is a great submission but 90% of the danger comes from the position itself which does the heavy lifting.
Armbar is pretty good especially with all the combo and recovery potential you have, yet it's one of the easier submissions to counter, even when the armbar is already late.

>>245459
There had to be a retard who defends that shit. The moment you sit on your ass to pull on a strong grown man’s arm to do a pussy hip extension on the elbow you lose top position.

Trust the science but you look like a pussy to me.

Modern arm triangles are far more respectable submissions. A triangle can save you from the jaws of death and give you a last minute win and did beat fedor emelianenko

I’d shill for kimuras instead but objectively speaking they didn’t work well for me.

Sitting on your ass is my chance to laugh at your pussy submission attempt confirming while I was butt scootting that you in fact ain’t shit.

You want to be respected be rousimar palhares. Or learn to wrestle a cowards way of fighting.

But don’t fucking sit here tell me some weeabo shit about the men in Japanese judo and their out dated armbars when you fight like a softer bigger pussy

>>245462
The red pill is that submissions are inadequate but you keep going for that twister and doing upside down guards to give your opponent 50/50 of your own legs

>>245457
You don't warmup and then complain when you get injured lmfao

How stupid can you get

How to avoid someone grabbing your balls like this whilst doing BJJ?

Is this the ultimate counter to BJJ?

https://www.reddit.com/r/boxingcirclejerk/s/jtPzGXBcYB

>>245455
>shit like octopus guard has never been useful or caught an opponent off guard in the history of EVER
low IQ blue belt namefag. people use octopus guard in MMA
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mvaYcqW9cNo

>>245523
Eye gouge

>>245523
Depends on position but in da streetz I would try to not get in a position where this is easy to do in the first place. If possible I would always go side control or better yet top mount if I need to throw punches too.
If for some reason my balls do get grabbed I would just start gouging the eyes or biting into a sensitive area full force.

>>245523
i have a very small penis and balls so i doubt anybody could grab them

>>245523
You don't. A true bjjfag gets hard and cums as soon as another man touches his balls.

Given a year of training, what metrics would you consider for someone who trains 4x a week ? 4x bjj ; 4x gym ULUL routine

I mean in terms of strength, cardio and somewhat a number of techniques (like, still be bad overall but have developped decent guard retention even vs blue belts, for example) if that makes any sense ?

How common is it for blue belts to be worse than white belts?
I'm a blue belt, but spent 5 and a half years without training. Now I'm back on the mat, but I'm getting owned by a white belt. I don't know if I should feel bad about it

>>245302
Based
No amount of fitness compared to live mat time and positional sparring/drilling

>>245712
A white belt is as much "guy who doesn't show up in gi much" as much as it could be "guy with combat training or high school wrestling experience"

>>245711
The strength/cardio metrics are pretty much impossible to say, but for a year of focused BJJ training at a decent gym:
>basic escapes from side control variations, the back, mount, north south, and a few submissions
>guard retention principles
>basic wrestling fundamentals (handfighting, sprawling)
>a few sweeps from both seated and supine guards
>a submission dilemma or two that you can hit on 99% of new white belts and a few blue belts

Do yourself a favor and start watching stuff on submeta.

Will I ever get a blue belt attending once a week?

I did a heckin bjj last night and my back hurts now

Is this normal

>>245781
Did your back hurt before?
Did you do anything that could hurt your back? (eg got stacked by a 300lb dude, got the life squeezed out of you with a body triangle etc)

>>245782
No I was on top most of the time because I'm a keen white belt and I was also mounted a lot never had anyone in guard

I guess there always going to be little pains and sprains right? It is fighting after all. I can still move around it's just mild discomfort

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>>245785
>I was also mounted a lot

>>245785
Sometimes this shit just happens
Backs are weird like that. Let it rest for a bit and see if that helps. If it still hurts after a week or two, then it might be time to see a doctor
I once had horrible lower back pain that lasted for like three months, then suddenly disappeared completely. Now it's back and I'm pretty sure it's here to stay (then again, that's what I though last time as well)

>>245830
Thanks. Its more like a small bruise in the middle of my spine. It's almost like the spinal bone got pressed onto the skin more than anything

It seems to be healing now so I'm guessing it's just a spinal bruise. Like banging your hip/knee

>>245714
I'm the guy you're replying to and thank you. A lot of that "shrimp up and down the mat" stuff pisses me off the longer I am in this sport/martial art because 1. You can do that on your own, you're paying to do BJJ with a partner and a mat space and an instructor, anything that is not giving you those 3 things you cannot easily replicate at home isn't exactly what you are paying money to be there for and 2. the movement of shrimping without a partner shit testing you isn't really doing the movement justice and why is it only a warm up with one kind of shrimp movement, a lot of times I'm just switching from one hip to another and not pushing the mat with my foot and doing a huge movement to cover ground across the mat

How should I approach rolling as a beginner?

>>246056
Survival and learning, learn frames, learn to muscle memory not let anyone grab your head or be able to touch your face, breathe.

>>246060
On my first day rolling I was being quite explosive and trying to run around people's guard. No one complained. Later I read online this is called the "white belt dance" and frowned upon lol

I also asked someone are small joint manipulations to get grips off allowed to which they said no. I also don't know how hard to go in general
I wasn't treating it as life or death but I certainly wasn't letting them get grips or try to choke me. And was actively trying to get in side control/mount/back take or getting out of their mount/guard

I was only shown one sweep so far in drilling and really struggled to understand the mechanics of it

I also didn't know how to approach rolling with a lightweight female who I initially tried to just brute force into arm locks before realising this is probably not conductive to either of our learning

Just keep turning up I guess?

>>246061
Yeah enjoy the process! You try going hard with girls you're gonna get someone 200+ lbs to beat your ass though so go easy on people smaller than you especially women.

>>244291
Western boxing - being able to heem someone with one shot is the best skill for the street.

>>246061
Why is in bjj common to not explain to new people how to spar? I had a guy coming from years of kung fu/krav maga sticking his fingers in my throat and doing other retarded shit. In kick boxing the instructor yells all the time to go light and relaxed.

>>246081
There's some weird phenomena in BJJ where it's cultural or something where instructors are sort of oblivious and lazy to doing or saying anything like this. They want you to figure it out or have some blue/purple belt tell you and spoon feed you (for free)

So I'm wanna train to learn how too defend myself and get fitter I wrestled a year in High-school and really enjoyed it but had to stop to work on grades and I was better at other sports but I wanna go back and do some other forms of grappling so where do I start how do I start

>>246171
How old are you
What do you have near you

I'm just out of Hs and have a few mma gyms and a bjj studio by me

>>246279
Pick the closest or the one you get along with the people there more

>be me
>certified victimweight
>roll with just about anyone
>get bench-pressed out of any pin the moment they get a frame
what do? (other than gain weight, which is a given)
I thought about snatching armbars whenever they start extending, but they usually get their knees in too fast

>>246327
you can't get bench pressed out of a rear naked choke. Focus on the back taking and or heel hooks, for the same reason.

>>246369
Which things here are useless from a self defence point of view

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>>246371
cant say ive ever seen spider guard in a street fight video but that doesnt mean you couldnt be the first

>>246369
Don't know if I'd agree with 1/2 guard being neutral outside of a jiujitsu context. I'd also like to see back separated into two categories of "have their back while they're on top" and "have their back while you're on top".

>>246369
Couldn't this just be summed up as

Get behind him
Get on top of him

Defence: don't let him do that

>>246385
Wtf I hate judo now

How could this have been avoided?

>>246371
Open guards are kinda sketchy when striking is allowed
Not that all of them are useless - DLR ties up their legs and is sweep city, while butterfly is incredibly powerful if you can control their upper body. But generally you don't want to be on the ground while your opponent is standing
The rest is very relevant

>>246369
>N

>>246369
I don't understand the point of things like this.
>>246371
I would argue they're all useful. The primary goal is to get up, and if you somehow get put on your back, those guards can help make that happen. Half guard bottom is definitely not = top half guard though

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I was put into this position when rolling today, he then began to bend my neck and leg towards each other from this position

I tapped before I could feel any pain as I assumed my spine or neck would be injured, but I dont really understand what he was doing. Is there a name for this? Was he trying to choke me somehow or do a spine crank?

>>246454
Cradle; it's an immobilization move, harder to get out of than regular side control, but also difficult to mount an attack from
I don't see how this would hurt you, unless you're grossly inflexible, or the other guy was literally twice your size and folding you like a lawn chair

>>246458
Oh okay. He must have found it quite funny that I tapped then

>>246454
Yoko-shiho-gatame

>>246466
Why even go to this if you can't attack as well from it?

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>>246407
>How could this have been avoided?

>>246386
>Don't know if I'd agree with 1/2 guard being neutral outside of a jiujitsu contex
>jiujitsu context
where do you think you are, anon

>>245497
>while I was butt scootting
you are in no position to be talking shit, gay boy

>>246467
makes you gas out to get out. Or if you don't, you'll lose by points eventually.

If you do shit when getting out, you might even give an opening without realizing it so it's double worth it