>>243740
What killed bjj?

>>243913
bjj

>>243913
Nothing. People practice BJJ where I live like Karate used to be practiced in the 80s. Joe Rogan isnt trendy anymore but its still plenty popular.

>>243913
I did.

>>243913
it insists upon itself

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>>243913

Bros... it feels like things are finally clicking for me.
My top game is actually coming together. From guard passing to the various mount positions, I feel like having an actual game plan. Even in scramble positions it feels like I have at least a decent response for everything.
I still get dunked on by opponents with better technique but even there it feels like I can actually create threats.
My bottom game lags behind but I am working on it by starting more from disadvantageous positions.

>>243740
faggot op, link the new threads in the previous one if you insist on making them after bump limit on one of the slowest boards on the website

>>244158
>one of the slowest boards on the website
Exactly and the other one is on page 6
We're page 1 material around here

>>243913
Andrew Wiltse's mental health episodes.

>>244158
New good, old bad.

What will aid me better on the streetz

Bjj or MT?

>>244291
Prolly MT
Lower skill floor, BJJ has a bunch of fluff that works well in competitions but not necessarily when your opponent can just stomp on your face, and getting on the ground in a self-defense scenario is kinda sketchy in general

Following situation:
I've got a rear body triangle on my opponent, but he has managed to wrap an arm around my head in a quasi bulldog choke position, with us both lying on that arm's side (meaning his elbow and forearm are on the ground)
It's not choking me, but I can't effectively attack with my head stuck, I can't move his arm because he's leaning on it with all his weight, and I'm reluctant to release the body triangle
He, on the other hand, is quite safe from being attacked so long as he holds my head, but he can't start opening the body triangle to escape without risking releasing my head and having his back fully taken
So, in a stalemate like this, what do?

>>244294
Thanks

There's lots of bjj gyms around me, but I just want to learn something practical

>>244304
Don't get me wrong, BJJ can be very effective, and you definitely should have at least a basic idea of how to grapple, if only to be able to get out of a pin and stand up. But punching and kicking is easier and faster to learn and doesn't put you in as precarious of a position if something goes wrong
Honestly, if you can justify the time and money commitment, you should at least try, and ideally become halfway competent in both. But if you just want to know how to fight off drunk retards at a bar, you can't go wrong with MT

>>243740
What is happening in this move here?

>>244309
Presumably a bow-and-arrow choke

>>244308
Im leaning towards judo instead of BJJ

>>244295
Say to your partner after some time has gone by "this is gay, want to reset?"

But it also don't be so in love with the body triangle, you could switch it to a half back mount and you're half way to a twister

>>244304
BJJ will give you some great skills that compliment striking well.
You learn about takedowns, counters to takedowns, staying on your feet, recovering quickly when on the ground and all of the obvious things as well.
Having these tools really comes in handy even if you don't plan on grappling in a self defense situation.
Another bonus BJJ has is that damage is more controlled so you can choose how hard you want to injure someone. This can help in countries where self defense laws are fucked since a punch or throw can lead to your opponent taking a greater injury than intended, though of course in life and death situations, you probably don't care about that. But you may have to control someone until police arrives without killing the person and here it can help a lot.
Still MT is a great choice if you go for that instead.

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IT'S F*CKING SIMPLE

Why is she taking such joy in the pain Blue Gi is experiencing!? She is in a lot of excruciating pain and she can't Fucking get out of it!

Just discovered octopus guard and it seems pretty cool.
However it looks like a position where I could end up unintentionally reaping someone. Is this an actual danger of the position or am I just being paranoid?
Also how forgiving is the position in general? Do I have to do everything perfectly or does it leave room for error?

>>244447
It's buggy choke tier, mostly used to meme on someone and disrespect them
There's so many other preferable things you could be doing from there

To make it work well you need to either be a lanklet or really fast twitch

Does striking really make 99% of BJJ obsolete?

What about if you add dirty attacks like gouges, ball grabs etc

>>244451
>Does striking really make 99% of BJJ obsolete?
No both work well together.

>What about if you add dirty attacks like gouges, ball grabs etc
With BJJ they work even better. Why does everyone assume BJJ involves signing a treaty that you can never use any dirty tricks in a fight?

>>244451
>>244458
Simple explanation of what I meant:

https://youtu.be/PJz8YQ5rXZw?si=ZWVZ3hwTX90O-9HA&t=60

I'm at a bit of a dilemma

I have a Carlson Gracie bjj school near me. It provides bjj every day, and one session a week "judo for bjj"

Or I have Judo near me for half the price.

I intend to go around 3 times a week.

I keep seeing videos of Judokas getting their backs taken and choked out after failed throws by BJJ guys so it's swaying me away from judo as it seems to be very high risk low reward and has lots of rules compared to bjj (no leg grabs, guillotines, etc)

What would be the better choice. What should I consider when choosing between these options?

>>244295
I had a similar situation many times with a few people in side control.
My opponent was unable to escape (mostly because they go for 1 move escapes instead of chaining them) while I messed up submissions or going to full mount and they were good at defending. So it was minutes of side control. The way I see it, they were unwilling to give me an easy way to mount or a submission, just like I was too stubborn to go for a more risky way to mount or a submission that could lose me side control. So both of us were fine with the stalemate for better or worse.
You have to ask yourself what your goal is for the round. If you want to improve and get more training value out of it then just give up the advantage so the position becomes mobile again. However it is also fine to keep the stalemate going as the other guy can do the same and there is also training value in trying to learn how to break up a stalemate against someone who is stubborn.
It only becomes a problem when one of you begins bitching about it.

>>244461
What are your goals?
If you just want to do a martial art, then it doesn't matter, just pick the one that seems more fun
For MMA, BJJ will be generally more useful, since the rules are more open and the skills transfer better
For self defense, knowing how to throw people and remain standing is extremely valuable, much more so than ground game. And while Judo's newaza is quite basic compared to BJJ, it will be more than enough against 99% of poeple

>>244474
What makes me a bit hesitant is that leg grabs seem to be the most high percentage and least risky moves in grappling and judo negates them

>>244474
Does judo train escapes from full mount, and escapes from rear naked choke etc?

>>244476
As I said, if you want to do MMA (or any other kind of cross-discipline competition), then BJJ is probably better
For self-defense, this doesn't really matter. "On the streets", it's extremely unlikely that someone will shoot a good leg takedown (and for the less-than-good ones, sprawling them out will be quite easy), and you almost certainly won't need them, as you'll most likely be working from a clinch, where Judo's foot sweeps and hip throws are incredibly useful

>>244477
Yes and yes. Less so than BJJ, but both positions are taught and used in Judo

>>244434
This guy makes Reddit seethe and I really like that.

"My latest instructional, how to German Suplex the out of shape hobbiest 40 year old in your tournament bracket"

>>243740
>BJJ general
>every reply is rage bait, asking about other martial arts
Every time. I'd love to never visit r/bjj again but you contrarian fags ruin every thread. No where else to see clips or discuss

>>244500
you need to go back

Heard some girls at work saying something about jiu jitsu today.
Made me angry. WHAT DO YOU KNOW OF IT YOU DUMB BITCH

>>244505
What did they say

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>>244461
>I keep seeing videos of Judokas getting their backs taken and choked out after failed throws by BJJ guys
I doubt those guys were good at judo. This isn't a "hurr judo is ackshually better" post, it's just the risk of back exposure on turn throws is way overblown compared to how much it really happens. You can take somebody's back in judo and choke them, but you rarely see it done on good throw attempts. It usually happens on lazy/sloppy throws after a guy is gassed or trying to stall. In modern no-gi/mma, we see more turn throws now than ever before, yet we don't see guys getting their back taken and choked off of it anywhere near as often.

>>244507
I don't know. Something like one mentioned jiu jitsu and the other struggled to even say the words, probably because they've never heard of it. Also something about karate.

>>244505
They said guard pulling and leg attacks from bottom gives them the ick.

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why the fuck is the john wayne sweep so effective? once you understand how to use the knee-lever and how to position yourself underneath your partner it's stupid easy and i hit it all the time in training

>>244539
Because your partner's like most people in jiujitsu are being scrubs and letting the floor carry their weight instead of your body and just kinda sitting there waiting to be disrupted

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huh

>>244636
This is how you get hurt

Durrr I'm trapped in a submission and not even attempting to escape, I'll just sit here and eat it as long as I can

>>244635
>80 years old match

>>244635
unc vs unc

>>244636
at this point might as well kill yourself

>>244539
People aren't that good at passing half guard and put their knee on the mat. Even good people might do it in transition from bodylock to half guard. I particularly like this setup too, if I'm in a splitsquat/RDLR situation:
https://youtu.be/LU2beiyQcTQ?si=9UnPHwVeLRIVRPMi&t=255

what steroid stacks could be used effectively to gain a real edge on competitions ? idgaf about moral, i want some gold temu medals

>>244759
can you get test? start with that , it can be crazy effective, even at low doses.
are you trying to get huge with muscle into a higher wieghclass? steroids won't make you better at bjj.
If you start with some test, you'll be able to train longer and harder , which will give you more muscle and actually make you better

>>244760
i want to body recomp, stay at the same weight class but with way more muscles.

Right now, i have trouble finishing people because i feel weak as fuck. Even little guys makes me look like i'm some sort of weak ass woman.
I want to break the arms of people without even realizing it was that much pressure, to be honnest. At least, being capable of doing so.

>>244768
This is the stack

https://www.yoursoma.com/products/cjc-1295-ipamorelin-blend?_pos=1&_sid=c220d1090&_ss=r

https://www.yoursoma.com/products/bpc-157-tb-500-blend?_pos=2&_sid=df6414a0a&_ss=r

40lbs of contractile tissue in 6 months

>>244770
that + 500mg of test/week then ?

>>244770
you niggas are so getting cancer with these GHRH bs

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>>244768
>Even little guys makes me look like i'm some sort of weak ass woman.
have you tried going to the gym?

>>244796
i do, i bench 110kg, squat 130kg, deadlift 160kg. My knees are kinda fucked up so i could do better squats i guess but i'm kinda afraid to blow them.

But when i'm rolling, i don't know i can't apply strength i find myself unable to exploit my muscles efficiently.

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>>244797
doesnt sound like a lack of strength to me then unless you're deathgripping and gassing out every round or something. how long have you been training?

strength really doesn't play as big of a role if your technique sucks ass. take the basic arm bar finish for example: i'm not a strong guy but i can tire out beefy white belts just by holding my elbows tight to my chest and gable gripping my hands together. they pull and pull and pull but nothing happens, even though on paper they can bench or deadlift more than i could.

>>244799
I really start to struggle with cardio after like 3 to 4 rounds depending on the intensity my opponents puts. I try to always match theirs, starting from flow on my side up to wherever they want to go.

May be my techniques are really shitty, i'm little bit less than one year in (~9months). But even 1 months whitebelts can sometimes be tricky to submit (they never win, i gain the positions easily and maintain them as long as i wish but i struggle with the finishing part of the fight. I could win with points I guess, but i want to know that i can be dangerous.)
this is really frustrating to me as I rarely win against people that started at the same time as me or 2-3 months before. I feel like absolute garbage and i know for a fact that if i were to compete today, i'd get obliterated because i have absolutely nothing on me to be confident since i know that no matter what i try and how much tryhard i put i still end up loosing eventually. My fair guess is, if I were 15kg of fat lighter, and 15kg of muscles more dense, i'd end people with ease

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>>244800
>I really start to struggle with cardio after like 3 to 4 rounds
you should work on your cardio off the mats, but on the mats you need to be mindful of your breathing and pacing: don't hold your breath, calm down when you're in a position where you can rest, don't deathgrip etc.
as you get better, you spaz less and expend less energy.
>May be my techniques are really shitty, i'm little bit less than one year in (~9months). But even 1 months whitebelts can sometimes be tricky to submit
>this is really frustrating to me as I rarely win against people that started at the same time as me or 2-3 months before.
9 months is nothing in the grand scheme of things and everybody learns at a different rate. some of them can have an athletic background or previous grappling experience. some people are just smart and pick things up quickly.
>i know that no matter what i try and how much tryhard i put i still end up loosing eventually
dont worry about losing, you get to eat plenty of shit in this sport. try stuff out and dont be afraid to lose, that's how you grow.
competing is a skill in itself. no way you can get worse by competing, so i recommend you try it out.

anyway my professional psychoanalysis is that you dont need TRT or steroids, you just need to git gud

>>244794
That's an extremely excessive amount of test, people usually start at 50 and work up from there
I've never even seen a prescription for more than 200

>>244768
>Right now, i have trouble finishing people because i feel weak as fuck. Even little guys makes me look like i'm some sort of weak ass woman.
>I want to break the arms of people without even realizing it was that much pressure, to be honnest. At least, being capable of doing so.
Yeah just give this guy tren. Nothing could go wrong here.

>>244812
i can be trusted with super strength coach, trust me coach. Give me the gun coach i am trustworthy. Coach.

>>244797
Either your technique is shit or you try to muscle through situations where it is pointless which is also shit technique.

>>244800
>i'm little bit less than one year in (~9months). But even 1 months whitebelts can sometimes be tricky to submit
NIGGER YOU HAVEN'T EVEN BEEN TRAINING FOR A YEAR XD
When in a position like top mount or side control, you have to isolate the elbows and weaken their mobility before you can go for serious attacks. Someone with a strong frame will not give up his arms voluntarily if you just try to pull them off. You always want to create uneven fights like 2 arms against 1 arm or having your big muscles push against his small muscles.
Mate it looks like you need a psyche evaluation more than technique tips.

>>244813
You will be shock infantry!

>>244814
well i started in september 2024, but where i live there is not training during summer and i had to take a month off in december and in june due to job.

But the whole "2 arms vs 1" i know, but when i put the two i get set off balance and the person escape, or sometimes, they don't do shit i just can't manage to get their arms to move even 2v1.

>>244836
If someone is very stubborn with locking his arms then just attack his neck. Crossface or papercutter are great at forcing someone to react. An elbow will go up, your opponent will try to pivot to the side or there will be an escape attempt.
Whitebelts are usually bad enough that they won't set up a proper defense or counter play when they get passed. Most of the times I pass a whitebelt, I can just get an isolated arm together with the pass and attack from there.
The #1 Kesa Gatame defense for example is just NOT flaring your inside elbow out when your opponent has you in side control, yet I see this happen all the time.

>>244841
>Crossface or papercutter
Totally forgot about North South Choke but this one can be tricky to finish. Still great if someone is overly defending his arms.

>>244658
>>244635
Lachlan will probably win just on health factors alone, I know Marcello beat cancer but yeah he probably isn't 100%

>>244800
Skill issue. If you get big, you'll still lose because there will be other big people who actually have technique. Git gud retard

>>244924
ofc i don't expect to win against everyone easily. I just want to win against some people, as of right now i haven't won more than 10 rolls in my whole year-ish of practice. Even against smaller opponents, sometimes white belts smaller opponents (which had 6-12months more experience than me, but whatever)

I feel like if I get assaulted on the street right now i'm defenseless and i don't like it.

>>244800
Matching is a meme
Performing at your comfort level in your comfort zone is what you should be doing
Unless you compete then idk what to tell you
I do both judo and BJJ but I have nerdy hobbies and a typey-articilate job so I'm not willing to match others and compromise my other aspects of my life
But I think I'm better for it

>>244928
I feel like if I get assaulted on the street right now i'm defenseless and i don't like it.
What fucking shit hole do you live in where this is a practical and grounded fear
My advice is avoid such places
I don't care if you're a girl or a boy
This is a really fucked up fear to have but if you must learn self defense
>Volunteer to grapple with someone using a rubber knife, to see how much of a shit show knifes are
>Learn the breakfall aspect of judo, because not dying from a fall on hard surfaces is a useful life skill
>Learn how to create space to stand up, which is from BJJ, and is useful for running away
Otherwise in terms of grappling to win have a goal in mind and ask yourself when you show up to class how the lesson of the day can conceivably lead to that goal
It won't always, but it does get you thinking
My goal was the Boston crab
I've only crabbed like 4 people in 2 years but what it ended up leading to was a tendency to get to north south and north south choke
Find something you want to do that's concrete and technical
"I should be winning more" is not concrete
And "I'm worse than people who started around my time" is unhealthy
Never compare yourself to others when you could be getting good at your own thing, in your own way. A blue or purple belt is always going to be technical, but browns and blacks are ideally stylish

>>244934
I poop a lot.

>>243740
How do I counter wrestlers with BJJ? They keep going for double leg takedowns and I can’t stop them. I go for guillotine chokes, but i get taken down. I can never seem to get the choke tight enough when they are charging at me. The fact that they are not wearing a gi really really limits me as well.

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>>244945
pull guard
what now, wrestlefags?

I'm still trying to work out why BJJ is so much more "respected" in the eyes of general people than judo. If someone says they have a judo black belt especially if they aren't physically imposing you almost think "haha bullshido"

If someone has a bjj blue belt even if they are dyel you sort of think damn this guy can snap my limbs or choke me out from 100 angles

Is it because judo gripping game and clean ippon throws is pointless when people are fighting and it'll just end with both of you falling to the floor clumsily and that's when BJJ shines?

>>244965
BJJ is arguably the most common grappling base for MMA, and there is no better advertisement for a martial art than its effectiveness in MMA

>>244968
Yes but why did it become the most common grappling base

Surely wrestling was there way before it

>>244934
>And "I'm worse than people who started around my time" is unhealthy
yeah bro it's like it's hardcoded in our DNA that we want to compete and survive. Everyone wants to be good, those who say otherwise are copingmaxx

>>244965
>BJJ is so much more "respected" in the eyes of general people than judo
This perspective only applies in North America and parts of Europe. Judo mogs internationally.

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>>244965
Can you really call it respected when the normie opinion is that it's the gayshit martial art?

>>244971
No I mean everyone learns differently so you can't expect yourself to pick up on the same skills in the same time
Yes you should want to get better, but you simply shouldnt compare yourself to anyone else in that way because it's pointless

>>244966
At least in modern times judo where I'm at doesn't emphasize submissions
So I think in general knowing a little about odd interactions is where BJJ shines
>Law enforcement
Namely knowing that it's a bitch for one person to hold another down
>What you said
Some judo throws are an ippon but throw your opponent right into you, which leads into my next point
>If you are on the ground with or without your opponent
Its better to have some experience there than none at all
and to know how to stand up in a way that protects your head
>Joint manipulation
Even if you aren't trying to sub someone being able to foresee your arm or leg bending in a fucked up way is excellent for safety

>>244934
>My goal was the Boston crab
>I've only crabbed like 4 people in 2 years
THIS NIGGA IS A SERIAL KILLER, SOMEONE CALL AUTHORITIES!

>>244971
Comparing yourself to others like this one guy does can make you more insecure, even if you actually do improve at a better rate than your peers. There is room for that mindset to develop into an unhealthy obsession.
Nothing wrong with trying to improve in general but measuring your skill compared to other people at your gym can be pretty pointless, especially for those who have been training for longer than you, since everyone else improves as well.
Some people train more often than others, people will attempt to specialize in one area over another, injury may cockblock someone for a while and of course there are occasional plateaus and setbacks.
You should approach classes with getting great learning value out of them not with merely winning. I have a high winrate game plan that is just spamming guard pass -> Side Control - Americana but I have done it so often that I get more learning value out of intentionally getting passed or trying different dominant positions, even if they are less secure.

>>244928
Again, git gud. Figure out a submission you are decent at or might like to focus on. Learn proper finishing mechanics, some setups, and common reactions (ask your coach, find an instructional). You're not going to get good just trying to "win" in training without any direction. You need to be able to evaluate your rounds and ask your coach good questions. Example:
>hmm I keep putting this guy in a triangle but it never works because he does X, what should I do?
>I'm trying this sweep you taught but X is happening, how do I fix it?
>this person keeps putting me in side control and I'm stuck, how do I escape?

>>244945
There is no way around just learning some wrestling fundamentals, especially defensive skills. Just ask your coach (or youtube) for some basic double leg defense and handfighting tips. Keep in mind that just because you get put on a hip, it doesn't mean the exchange is over. You can often get up, potentially counter wrestle, or at the very least get a good guard rather than end up in a pin.
>t. I train in a very ADCC-centric gym where we focus on preventing scoring from takedowns

Please... I'm Brazilian and claim for you now: taking off this for my country.

Leave us with just the Noble Art.

>>245001
On the corollary my last 20 subs in the past 2 months was north south choke
Again the point is the path isn't clear cut unless anon has a coach, talent, competes, and wants to go pro
All us hobbiests can do is what we're comfortable with on our own pace
Anon's current mindset imo will have them bring a classic "blue belt and quit" kind of guy

>>245010
Yeah idk about you but anon unironically needs an upper belt to take him under their wing
Its good to talk a lot, make friends, and find people to put ample mat time into/with

>>244459
I love him, but he has to lose the mustache, man… He looks so much better here

>>245026
i don't have anything better to do with my life than training, with little perspective of improvement on that matter. So no, i'll keep showing up.
I don't have much friends either, so i'd say that it is the best way for me to socialize.

But i just want to feel like i'm improving and not just the worst guy in the gym. My coaches don't give a single fuck about me, because there are many people around and some of them are competitors with some hope to get somewhere someday.

Last time i asked one positive one negative feedback to my coach, the guy was embarassed and just said "yeah uh, idk just keep coming it's going to work out" i was there for 6 months already. He just straight up doesn't have a clue about what i'm doing usually and how/if i have improved since the beginning.

I tend to hang out with blue/purple, but even there when i ask questions they answer not precisely, which is fair and fine since they are not coaches. But i feel like i'm on my own to figure things out. Which i did every single time i realized something, was due to youtube / instructionnals and me visualizing things in my mind before and mid roll. But it takes time, too much in my opinion.

Oh, and ofc, i considered switching gyms : there are not another one in the area. Sadface.

>>245081
>don't have anything better to do with my life than training
I think unless you intend to compete and go pro is this unhealthy
Endeavor to partake in other simultaneous hobbies
>Yoga
Helps me big time with shoulder flexibility and just keeping my heart rate low, the more tense you are the worsenyiur breathing=you gas quicker
That and breathing with your diaphragm (thanks rickson ala the hulk) is huge
>I don't have much friends either, so i'd say that it is the best way for me to socialize.
Yeah BJJ is good for this, engage in people who stay to workshop stuff after class is over
Ask questions. Always volunteer to Uke when people are asking each other to try a sub, feeling a sub or developing a feeling for good subs is half the fun of learning to defend them
>But i just want to feel like i'm improving and not just the worst guy in the gym
Win rate isn't everything, especially if you're just a white/blue belt
no one technique will improve your game, but once you consistently show up to class and learn a little bit of everything you can start piecing together fundamental movements to make interesting sequences
>i was there for 6 months already
I've got 3-4 years in the sport
I dont consider myself very good
But there are people I absolutely clown on, and people who absolutely clown on me, no such thing as a fair fight since all of us have different talents and backgrounds, it's up to you to keep showing up regularly and engaging in as many different styles of exposure and training until you find something that clicks
>But it takes time, too much in my opinion
The fastest black belt is something retarded like less than a year
But I don't know about you, I would rather be the best white belt rather than the greenest black belt

>>245081
>every single time i realized something, was due to youtube / instructionnals
This is more common than you think. A lot of coaches might be good at rolling, but suck at teaching. Just stick to good instructionals (submeta, Danaher, Gordon, etc.) and you'll quickly surpass people at your gym.

Also, start lifting if you haven't already

>>245150
>Also, start lifting if you haven't already
i do, that's the whole starter of the convo i wonder if i should just blast steroids to get better on the mat faster. But yes i do

>A lot of coaches might be good at rolling, but suck at teaching
Bro he doesn't even acknowledge me as i don't have the money to compete i'm a second class citizen to him lol, as i said he only focuses on kids that competes every weekend and the most promising people in the gym. Which i'm not

>>245133
>I think unless you intend to compete and go pro is this unhealthy
i don't have much money, life has been pretty hard on me recently so i can only afford the gym and bjj. I wish i could do something else from time to time
>workshop stuff after class is over
impossible as our gym can't do overtime, we need to leave the place after training

>>245155
>impossible as our gym can't do overtime, we need to leave the place after training
Honrstly if you want to build strong relationships and learn the good personalized shit this is non negotiable
The sooner you find a gym that doesn't care the sooner you'll be pissed to get gooder in a healthy way

>>245159
>Pissed
Poised

>>243740
Do you have trouble sleeping when you train in the evening?

>>245026
Nah I was just memeing about boston crab. You need to have at least some sadism to go for that.
I sometimes tap people with kesa gatame pressure and feel bad a bit about it but the position develops naturally from side control. For boston crab you have to actively go out of your way into strange positions to get it as far as I know, so you 100% intend to pull a humiliating submission.

>>245166
I sometimes fall asleep a few hours too early which can mess up my sleep schedule.

>>244945
learn to sacrifice throw
learn to kimura
learn to shut down their takedowns with stiff arms and sprawl then you are now in front head lock or top turtle on them

>>245166
yes but I think it is because I drink a coffee in the afternoon before I train

>Going to Brazilian Jiu-Jitsu (BJJ) once a week will likely take 2 to 4 years to earn a blue belt

True or not?

>>245279
more likely 4 than 2 at once a week, yeah. Especially if you are not a fast learner and/or no athletic background.

But remember at the end of the day, at 1x a week you are a pure hobbyist, who cares which belt you are ? its only purpose is to close the kimono and impress the newfags

>>245291
Thank you based anon. I have been offered classes once a week for free.

I could only realistically attend once a week anyway due to doing MT, lifting and also having a job, family etc.

I've seen so many threads where people say once a week you won't learn anything etc. so your post is very encouraging

>>245292
>I've seen so many threads where people say once a week you won't learn anything etc. so your post is very encouraging

how can your brain not getting informations and getting smarter if it does something ? by definition you'll always learn when you do something. The question is the rate and the quantity of information you get, which will be low there. But it can never be 0.
Ofc, if you were to do 2 sessions per week, you would have +100% mat time instantly which makes it better

>>245292
Your learning will depend on your learning style, their teaching style and how much live situational training there is.

If you are spending half the class doing solo warm ups like break fall and shrimping up/down the mat then they show you two-three unrelated techniques IE a side control escape then an armlock, then you just "roll" starting from your knees - you are in the worst environment for learning and it's going to take you a really long time to get "good" and any belt you get will be based just on how much money you've given the instructor.

>>245302
>If you are spending half the class doing solo warm ups like break fall and shrimping up/down the mat then they show you two-three unrelated techniques IE a side control escape then an armlock, then you just "roll" starting from your knees
Kek that's literally me, i left after less than 2 years, it was so boring.

>>245307
Don't you put together what you learnt in sparring

Isnt that the whole point?

>>245302
I mean, how does a "good" bjj class look like?

>>245292
>I've seen so many threads where people say once a week you won't learn anything etc. so your post is very encouraging
I blame all the lifting youtubers who started pushing the optimization meme for this mindset.
"IF YOU DON'T OPTIMIZE 100% THEN ALL GAINZ WILL BE LOST IN A WEEK!" and shit like that caused this general mindset that doing anything physical is only worthwile if you can get 100% efficiency or otherwise you may not do any activity at all.
In reality training once a week is pretty solid. While you get more out of training multiple days a week, you can still get decent progress.

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>>244963

>>245308
Drilling is boring, little stand up is boring. That's all.

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How much do you pay to train? I’m shopping around to get back on the mat

>>244451
If you close your eyes and think about all the weird niche moves that now comprise the tournaments nowadays, then almost, yes. But like, you only really need like 5 moves to be effective, so it's a moot point.

>>244509
Not all judo is created equal. There's lots of places where it's not very popular and doesn't have a very good talent pool. And judoka giving up their backs is chronic because it's used as a stalling tactic in competitions where you got limited time to do matwork. it's a problem with wrestlers too.

>>245317
exposing your back =/= giving your back

>>245309
Lots of asian women getting footlocked by my mouth.

>>245315
$250 at B-Team. Random gyms are like $200 in major cities, closer to $150 in smaller cities.

>>244945

Learn to outwrestle them and stop them.

takedown defense has always been cope, if professional fighters can't stop them, what makes you think there is a way around time and effort put in the basics?

at least I have a shitty decent sprawl.

>>244963
LMAO at the guard puller. I used to think I was fancy doing that like I know what I'm doing when even Marcelo and that Mikey kid are fags that go for shitty overcomplicated leglocks only to eat right hands, soccer kicks and get lay and prayed for 5 rounds.

shit like octopus guard has never been useful or caught an opponent off guard in the history of EVER, and I'm not just repeating what I remember my partners and coaches said.

proof is if it were, Japan would be KING in the fighting arena because they're so smart. they're not.

>>245317

I forgot how shitty and incomplete Judo is. GI dependent throw that is impossible to pull off + armbar, the shittiest submission ever will always be a joke.

to answer the other guys question : don't be a poorfag and do both.

in this special specific instance it is the exception, that BJJ is richer and superior. but not the rule.

>>245309

a lot of Asian people let you go for moves instead of smashing you for their Mexican ego.

you get 8 rolls per 1, 2 hour class I don't remember. No bullshit drills, no even more bullshit warm up. just taking advantage that sparring doesn't rock your brain and getting your money's worth.

>>245456
>the shittiest submission ever
Citation needed
Isn't armbar the highest % joint lock in MMA and like third most successful sub overall, behind RNC and guillotine?

>>245459
In my opinion RNC is overrated as most of the strength comes from the back take. It really is a great submission but 90% of the danger comes from the position itself which does the heavy lifting.
Armbar is pretty good especially with all the combo and recovery potential you have, yet it's one of the easier submissions to counter, even when the armbar is already late.

>>245459
There had to be a retard who defends that shit. The moment you sit on your ass to pull on a strong grown man’s arm to do a pussy hip extension on the elbow you lose top position.

Trust the science but you look like a pussy to me.

Modern arm triangles are far more respectable submissions. A triangle can save you from the jaws of death and give you a last minute win and did beat fedor emelianenko

I’d shill for kimuras instead but objectively speaking they didn’t work well for me.

Sitting on your ass is my chance to laugh at your pussy submission attempt confirming while I was butt scootting that you in fact ain’t shit.

You want to be respected be rousimar palhares. Or learn to wrestle a cowards way of fighting.

But don’t fucking sit here tell me some weeabo shit about the men in Japanese judo and their out dated armbars when you fight like a softer bigger pussy

>>245462
The red pill is that submissions are inadequate but you keep going for that twister and doing upside down guards to give your opponent 50/50 of your own legs

>>245457
You don't warmup and then complain when you get injured lmfao

How stupid can you get

How to avoid someone grabbing your balls like this whilst doing BJJ?

Is this the ultimate counter to BJJ?

https://www.reddit.com/r/boxingcirclejerk/s/jtPzGXBcYB

>>245455
>shit like octopus guard has never been useful or caught an opponent off guard in the history of EVER
low IQ blue belt namefag. people use octopus guard in MMA
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mvaYcqW9cNo

>>245523
Eye gouge

>>245523
Depends on position but in da streetz I would try to not get in a position where this is easy to do in the first place. If possible I would always go side control or better yet top mount if I need to throw punches too.
If for some reason my balls do get grabbed I would just start gouging the eyes or biting into a sensitive area full force.

>>245523
i have a very small penis and balls so i doubt anybody could grab them

>>245523
You don't. A true bjjfag gets hard and cums as soon as another man touches his balls.

Given a year of training, what metrics would you consider for someone who trains 4x a week ? 4x bjj ; 4x gym ULUL routine

I mean in terms of strength, cardio and somewhat a number of techniques (like, still be bad overall but have developped decent guard retention even vs blue belts, for example) if that makes any sense ?

How common is it for blue belts to be worse than white belts?
I'm a blue belt, but spent 5 and a half years without training. Now I'm back on the mat, but I'm getting owned by a white belt. I don't know if I should feel bad about it

>>245302
Based
No amount of fitness compared to live mat time and positional sparring/drilling

>>245712
A white belt is as much "guy who doesn't show up in gi much" as much as it could be "guy with combat training or high school wrestling experience"

>>245711
The strength/cardio metrics are pretty much impossible to say, but for a year of focused BJJ training at a decent gym:
>basic escapes from side control variations, the back, mount, north south, and a few submissions
>guard retention principles
>basic wrestling fundamentals (handfighting, sprawling)
>a few sweeps from both seated and supine guards
>a submission dilemma or two that you can hit on 99% of new white belts and a few blue belts

Do yourself a favor and start watching stuff on submeta.

Will I ever get a blue belt attending once a week?

I did a heckin bjj last night and my back hurts now

Is this normal

>>245781
Did your back hurt before?
Did you do anything that could hurt your back? (eg got stacked by a 300lb dude, got the life squeezed out of you with a body triangle etc)

>>245782
No I was on top most of the time because I'm a keen white belt and I was also mounted a lot never had anyone in guard

I guess there always going to be little pains and sprains right? It is fighting after all. I can still move around it's just mild discomfort

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>>245785
>I was also mounted a lot

>>245785
Sometimes this shit just happens
Backs are weird like that. Let it rest for a bit and see if that helps. If it still hurts after a week or two, then it might be time to see a doctor
I once had horrible lower back pain that lasted for like three months, then suddenly disappeared completely. Now it's back and I'm pretty sure it's here to stay (then again, that's what I though last time as well)

>>245830
Thanks. Its more like a small bruise in the middle of my spine. It's almost like the spinal bone got pressed onto the skin more than anything

It seems to be healing now so I'm guessing it's just a spinal bruise. Like banging your hip/knee

>>245714
I'm the guy you're replying to and thank you. A lot of that "shrimp up and down the mat" stuff pisses me off the longer I am in this sport/martial art because 1. You can do that on your own, you're paying to do BJJ with a partner and a mat space and an instructor, anything that is not giving you those 3 things you cannot easily replicate at home isn't exactly what you are paying money to be there for and 2. the movement of shrimping without a partner shit testing you isn't really doing the movement justice and why is it only a warm up with one kind of shrimp movement, a lot of times I'm just switching from one hip to another and not pushing the mat with my foot and doing a huge movement to cover ground across the mat

How should I approach rolling as a beginner?

>>246056
Survival and learning, learn frames, learn to muscle memory not let anyone grab your head or be able to touch your face, breathe.

>>246060
On my first day rolling I was being quite explosive and trying to run around people's guard. No one complained. Later I read online this is called the "white belt dance" and frowned upon lol

I also asked someone are small joint manipulations to get grips off allowed to which they said no. I also don't know how hard to go in general
I wasn't treating it as life or death but I certainly wasn't letting them get grips or try to choke me. And was actively trying to get in side control/mount/back take or getting out of their mount/guard

I was only shown one sweep so far in drilling and really struggled to understand the mechanics of it

I also didn't know how to approach rolling with a lightweight female who I initially tried to just brute force into arm locks before realising this is probably not conductive to either of our learning

Just keep turning up I guess?

>>246061
Yeah enjoy the process! You try going hard with girls you're gonna get someone 200+ lbs to beat your ass though so go easy on people smaller than you especially women.

>>244291
Western boxing - being able to heem someone with one shot is the best skill for the street.

>>246061
Why is in bjj common to not explain to new people how to spar? I had a guy coming from years of kung fu/krav maga sticking his fingers in my throat and doing other retarded shit. In kick boxing the instructor yells all the time to go light and relaxed.

>>246081
There's some weird phenomena in BJJ where it's cultural or something where instructors are sort of oblivious and lazy to doing or saying anything like this. They want you to figure it out or have some blue/purple belt tell you and spoon feed you (for free)

So I'm wanna train to learn how too defend myself and get fitter I wrestled a year in High-school and really enjoyed it but had to stop to work on grades and I was better at other sports but I wanna go back and do some other forms of grappling so where do I start how do I start

>>246171
How old are you
What do you have near you

I'm just out of Hs and have a few mma gyms and a bjj studio by me

>>246279
Pick the closest or the one you get along with the people there more

>be me
>certified victimweight
>roll with just about anyone
>get bench-pressed out of any pin the moment they get a frame
what do? (other than gain weight, which is a given)
I thought about snatching armbars whenever they start extending, but they usually get their knees in too fast

>>246327
you can't get bench pressed out of a rear naked choke. Focus on the back taking and or heel hooks, for the same reason.

>>246369
Which things here are useless from a self defence point of view

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>>246371
cant say ive ever seen spider guard in a street fight video but that doesnt mean you couldnt be the first

>>246369
Don't know if I'd agree with 1/2 guard being neutral outside of a jiujitsu context. I'd also like to see back separated into two categories of "have their back while they're on top" and "have their back while you're on top".

>>246369
Couldn't this just be summed up as

Get behind him
Get on top of him

Defence: don't let him do that

>>246385
Wtf I hate judo now

How could this have been avoided?

>>246371
Open guards are kinda sketchy when striking is allowed
Not that all of them are useless - DLR ties up their legs and is sweep city, while butterfly is incredibly powerful if you can control their upper body. But generally you don't want to be on the ground while your opponent is standing
The rest is very relevant

>>246369
>N

>>246369
I don't understand the point of things like this.
>>246371
I would argue they're all useful. The primary goal is to get up, and if you somehow get put on your back, those guards can help make that happen. Half guard bottom is definitely not = top half guard though

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I was put into this position when rolling today, he then began to bend my neck and leg towards each other from this position

I tapped before I could feel any pain as I assumed my spine or neck would be injured, but I dont really understand what he was doing. Is there a name for this? Was he trying to choke me somehow or do a spine crank?

>>246454
Cradle; it's an immobilization move, harder to get out of than regular side control, but also difficult to mount an attack from
I don't see how this would hurt you, unless you're grossly inflexible, or the other guy was literally twice your size and folding you like a lawn chair

>>246458
Oh okay. He must have found it quite funny that I tapped then

>>246454
Yoko-shiho-gatame

>>246466
Why even go to this if you can't attack as well from it?

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>>246407
>How could this have been avoided?

>>246386
>Don't know if I'd agree with 1/2 guard being neutral outside of a jiujitsu contex
>jiujitsu context
where do you think you are, anon

>>245497
>while I was butt scootting
you are in no position to be talking shit, gay boy

>>246467
makes you gas out to get out. Or if you don't, you'll lose by points eventually.

If you do shit when getting out, you might even give an opening without realizing it so it's double worth it

>>246454
>>246458
>>246462
Not necessarily
Some people (namely people who can't invert) have innately inflexible spines and will tap to a crank
Someone i knew could bench 700lb cradled me and had me drooling and greying out, as I was essentially put to sleep
If I can join my hands together in cradle I've noticed there's a lot of interesting options to transition out of like a no-hook back take or again just making someone's head touch their foot
But young, athletic, and inversion prone people just have a fairly trivial time wiggling their head out

>>246406
This anon gets it
Having your back taken sucks
Being mounted sucks more
But having your back taken while belly down is the suckest

>>246568
>But having your back taken while belly down is the suckest
the most underrated control position

>>246385
holy shit that must suck to harai yourself into unconsciousness

maybe guard pulling isn't such a bad idea afterall

>>246611
i dont think its underrated
just really freaking hard/functionally impractical to get to
the police specifically dont try to get you prone and laying down because its nigh impossible to do it to someone actively resisting

How legit is this move?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i_GXaPizZIk

>>246628
>>246611
>>246568
good way to die/kill someone too

I CAN'T BREEF (but for real though)

Let's say I speed run a blue belt, by going 4-5 days a week for a year

Can I then taper off and then go one day a week to just maintain my skill?

>>246674
>will I be as good as I was when I trained 5x/week now that I’m only training once a week.

Hmm what do you think retard

>>246676
I heard 1x is enough to maintain what you already have

The 4x is just to get there quicker

>>246667
The only reason this is a real concern for law enforcement is because people are truly unhealthy or born with a fucked up body

>>246678
Right
Per week:
>2-3 to improve
>1 to maintain
Anything more than 3 I think is diminishing returns unless you have friends at the gym or a higher belt to take you under their wing
I think it's so physically and mentally exhausting that if I go a 4th time a week I'm just too tired to try anything new
>Tired how, mentally? Physically
Tired, boss
Even when you're not BJJing if you want to improve you should be reflecting on what you did and thinking up shit you can try next time you go in to improve and innovate on yourself

>>246707
Thank you kind sir

>>246707
>I think it's so physically and mentally exhausting that if I go a 4th time a week I'm just too tired to try anything new
What? If 4 times were too much no one would crosstrain.

>>246770
It depends how much time you spend drilling vs rolling and your age and "supplements"
rolling is mentally and physically exhausting for people >35

As someone who just started BJJ recently, what sort of historical time period is this for BJJ?
Has the golden age ended?
Has it begun ?
Is the party over?
Is the sport still evolving and for better or worse?
Has BJJ been solved?

>>246707
>>246707
>>246717
>>246770
>>246787
throwing in my 2 cents, I train in the gi 3 times a week and kickboxing twice a week, 5 feels like a comfortable limit as a guy in my early 30's. I occasionally do 6 when there's a special open mat on the weekend but I wouldn't want to do that all the time.

Do girls train no-gi where you are from?
Here in brazil no-gi is a sausage fest. At least it's easier for my autism.

>>246808
Can't say I see much difference between gi and no-gi, but what I CAN say is that over-under pass is great to do on women, especially no-gi shorts.

>>246810
>Can't say I see much difference between gi and no-gi
Maybe because no-gi is niche here. You have to search for "luta-livre" to find an actual no-gi gym with more than one no-gi class a week.
Most BJJ gyms only have no-gi on fridays, and that's if they actually have it.

>>246812
Ah, yeah over here both are pretty common

>>246807
Let me guess you don't lift weights and you're weak/skinny

>>246804
>Golden age
Depends, people are a lot less hardcore now that less tryhards are joining, you may or may not prefer that "break someone's arm and mutually both laugh it off
Era
>Has it begun
Definitely not
>Is the party over
It's become casualized, which is to say you're now in an era where the most people have heard of it and can discuss it at some length
>Is the sport evolving
Again in my opinion for the better, there are as many competition focused tryhards as there are hobbiests who want to get good just to get good
>Has BJJ been solved
BJJ always homes in on a meta depending on the ruleset, but the best players are all over the place in my opinion
There's also a pressure to play to the audience in competition so guard is bizarrely unfavored by spectators despite being the most valued asset in training

>>246818
6ft and 195 lbs, I competed in powerlifting for 10 years before switching to jiu jitsu. It's not like those 5 sessions a week are all pedal to the metal, gotta pace yourself.

hey guys, 19 yr old unemployed competitive purple belt here

> get a job or get a degree

ive been doing jiu jitsu and karate since i was a kid i practically have a degree in fighting and im not giving up my purpose to be rich but miserable. the money from coaching gets me by.

if you guys need any help it keeps my autism stimulated i love helping others. i can even create some youtube videos for technique questions. aside from just fighting itself im also pretty well versed in the nutrition aspect, lifting, and the “porrada lifestyle”

> drilling or eco?

do both, keep jiu jitsu stimulating however you can because its a boring ass journey and not very rewarding.

> grappling or striking?

both, id rather knockout somebody disrespecting me but grappling can avoid assault charges. for mma i play it safe and take it to the ground because of punchers chance.

>>246940
Is a year of training 2x a week enough to compete at white belt?

How about 3x a week?

>>246943

i think you can get very far with minimal training every week by being intentional with every session. i always go in with a specific area to work on and communicate that with my partners. this will also help you decide whos best to train with. new moves i start with white belts and work up. i never go with somebody, doesnt matter size or experience, if they are huffing and puffing after every round. i always check heart rate for myself and others

low - easy talking, conscious, conceding positions

medium - can talk but labored, in and out of flow state, conceding less positions

high - difficult to talk, full flow state, dont concede positions

communication is key so talk with your partners after rounds. these brief talks will boost you up so much. as a autist itll help your social skills too.

now that weve established this we can start creating a split for your training every week. the harder lifts the lower heart rate training. a lot of the high heart rate training is based on if im working for top position or not.

example split for 3x a week:

monday: lower power lift, low heart rate sweeping

wednesday: upper power, medium low heart rate passing

friday: back and tricep hypertrophy, high heart rate wrestling

the more sessions the better but there are champions such as paul ardilla who train like this and dominate.

going into competition camp we go from a learning skills phase to a honing skills phase. about two to four weeks out ill start adding more high heart rate sessions. we want to perform our best moves at a fast pace even if we have very little. also focusing on not giving up scoring positions is key in these camps. performance versus amount of skills is why you see blue belts beating black belts nowadays. even on low heart rate days try boosting your heart rate at the end of the session briefly.

if you do this let me know how it goes. ill be active on this thread if you need anything. youre ready!

>>246940
Which karate style do you train?
Do you have many adult students?

>>246955
i got my black belt in chun kuk do (chuck norris systems) and joe lewis systems when i was 12.

i originally taught kids class at my karate school when i was 11. then later i got a gig teaching a ufc fighters kids class at 13. by 15 i was teaching the main adults class.

now ive left all schools and im training out of a shed. the black belts in bjj that i was under were all either grooming the minors/ hitting on the women or trying to assert their power over the community. i think a lot the training they gave me was outdated anyways but i miss the variety in training partners. lately ive been getting a lot of cross training in when i can.

im looking to start a gym right now to make more income doing what i love. i know at this stage though i got to compete too for branding.

>>246954
I've only been going for once a week, and people say you don't learn anything by going once a week

But I can definitely say I've learnt something and been able to apply it during rolls

>>246958
yeah id increase the sessions if you want to compete. training smarter will allow you to not be so exhausted too. a year of training will be enough to be competent though at white belt. youre already applying what you know to rolls too so dont listen to those people.

emphasize these skills to compete well with minimum sessions a week:

handfighting

winning inside postition

getting on top and staying on top

you can win the general positions and avoid dangerous spots by winning the handfight and inside position. doing this, you will be able to get on top and stay on top easier.

https://youtu.be/wRS7OV9jJdI?si=nOt6d6cRgQG0E6mv

this video goes over these concepts more in depth. think about the visual cues and why things work more than technical knowledge in every position. techniques are the cherry on top.

im in cali, live basically next to LAX. Ive got zero history with martial arts but have always wanted to, and now i have stable income.

How do i go about finding a school that isnt shit and isnt worth the time?

>>246987
>isnt
is*

>>246987
Find a gym with these conditions
>No retarded 1 year committal
>Willing to provide trial periods
>At least willing to let you spectate a class
>Instructor can trace their lineage to someone who doesn't suck, has chops in competition, or you watch them and they don't suck
And then it's up to god
At the gym I go to in nuawlins if you just want to watch your first day the gym owner unironically goads you to try as long as your attire is correct

>>246943
Competing is its own mindset and training
It's just that paying an entry fee to get your ass handed to you is a waste of money so try it if it's free and tap early

I've been to 2 BJJ and 1 muay thai gym and NONE of them clean the mats

Is this normal???

>>247044
>Is this normal???
Yes. It makes your immune system stronger.

Went for a judo class and really enjoyed it

>>247044
Fuck no
>>247129
Wish there was one near me to try, but thankfully the senior black belt at my jiu jitsu gym is also a judo black belt so he teaches a lot of judo takedowns which are a lot of fun

Weird question but are there genuine black belts out there that can't do moves like cartwheels etc ?

I'm fairly athletic and can handstand for a few seconds etc, but just can't cartwheel. I'm scared to go to a gym where it's part of a warmup and wondering if you can get promoted without knowing stuff like cartwheel etc

Aaaand the "Retard of the day" award goes to:
>opens envelope
Myself, for effectively heel-hooking myself and injuring my knee

>>247219
If I saw a gym doing cart wheels at the beginning of class I'd turn 360 degrees and back hand spring out of there

That's all I need to see to know the class is going to be total ass and the instructor doesn't know shit if he's wasting everyone's time and energy doing gymnastics at the beginning if a grappling class

>>247220
But you have mastered the heel hook now.

>>247219
dont worry about the warm ups dude, they're just that, warm ups
my judo gym does traditional warm ups. it's normal to suck at them for a long time but they're a separate skill on their own, they don't make you any better at grappling. they make you better at doing hand stands and cartwheels.

if they bother you that much, you'll find that practicing them at home by yourself or at the gym after everyone has left will be a lot easier because there's no pressure.

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>>247229
The only way I have mastered is the wrong way of holding a rear body triangle, by the looks of it
(Yeah, that was my mistake, hooking my leg over my toes instead of my ankle, and letting my opponent push on it with his leg - effectively an inside heel hook)

In order to make BJJ safer why don't people just call out "sub" when going for a sub and that way people can be prepared to tap instead of white belts breaking their bones because they aren't familiar with subs

>>247304
Because you know when you are in a submission by the fact that it either hurts or you start passing out
When not being able to tap quickly enough is a problem, you need better training partners

>>247304
sometimes when my coach is feeling playful he'll call out submission names out loud like a pokemon character, it's very cute

What do you do when starting from the knees? I don't really get it. Like do you just try to push them over

>>247368
>>247368
This shouldn't be happening, the gym culture needs to change
To quote my old instructor "this position does not exist"
Just sit to your butt, knee wrestling isn't real so don't waste your time doing it

>>247375
Sit on your butt and then what

>>247385
Then spread your legs and take it like a true bjjfag

>>247385
Do guard stuff
Your partner is being dumb enough to allow you to set up whatever open guard you want while he sits there on his knees

>>247368
Just start from seated guard/standing
One person gets to work their guard, the other passing, without any if the awkwardness of starting on the knees

There is a gif going around on /sp/ of a guy doing some karate kid shit in a tournament.
Why doesn't the other guy just take him down and get some points?

>>>/sp/151826036

>>247420
I presume he's goading his opponent to grab onto the leg so that he can do a counter (presumably sumi-gaeshi him or jump the triangle

>>247420
Crashing the sport with no survivors

Honest refereeing would give him a penalty for just hopping around like that

>>247441
>>247446
But this wouldn't work in Judo, right?
It has been years since I have trained and I'm out of the META, but this seems weird to me.

>>247491
In Judo, no, because just pushing him over and on his back would probably be an ippon
In BJJ, you do that, he just plays seated guard, and you're arguably worse off

BJJ
Judo
Muay Thai

Which TWO and why?

>>247647
Muay Thai and whichever of the other two you like more
The reason being that you want to be familiar with both striking and grappling. I'd consider Judo and BJJ to be about equal - Judo is very good for takedowns but its ground game is fairly shallow, BJJ being more or less the opposite. Maybe slight edge for Judo, since it can be argued that throwing your opponent while remaining standing is more useful than going down with them and controlling them there

>>247219
Why do you think people should be able to do a cartwheel? Most black belts have bad wrists, necks, etc, most people that were athletic and able to invert all day and night have radically changed their game thru injury, weight gain, life in general.... most black belts want to move as little as possible and are above 30, why should they cartwheel? How is a cartwheel applicable to BJJ other than as something you ejaculated to on Instagram thinking it was cool?

>>247223
That reminds me, I wrestled in 8th grade, my only non BJJ grappling experience in my life. We learned very little. One of the coaches out of fucking NOWHERE had us walk out before a tournament and "warm up" by running in a circle as a group then he'd call out move for us to do, out of fucking no where he has us do cartwheels and we have never done them before in this practice, I've never done one in my life and almost wrecked my shit trying to do it in front of the whole school and my parents. My dad was mad and might have said something to him about it.

>>247647
Depends on your goals and interests. Wanna be good at martial arts in general and/or self-defense? Then >>247648 is good advice. On the other hand, if you plan on competing in BJJ (in the gi), then pairing it with Judo would make your stand-up game significantly better.

>>247368
Sit to your butt to play seated guard aka butterfly guard. Watch Marcelo Garcia or Gordon Ryan for examples. Alternatively, you could stand up. They would either have to wrestle you or concede top position

>>247420
>>247441
Mikey (the guy hopping around) has a very good guard and is trying to bait a single leg so that when they end up on the ground, he has connections to his opponent. Mikey is very good at leg locks and probably had an entry in mind

The BJJ place near me does no gi sessions back to back before gi sessions surely it would be a better the other way around to avoid skin infections

>>247647
Judo/Thai maybe after few years swap judo with bjj

>>247766
If you wear a rashguard, shower when you get home after rolling and don't roll with open cuts on your skin, then you pretty much avoid 99% of potential skin infections.

>>247304
For most subs I generally do a small pause before the last step and then slowly do the actual submission. it's also the advice I give noobs when I drill with them so they don't injure someone the moment they learn how to americana.

>>247777
checked, I do the same thing

Am I right in thinking if someone heavier gets you in dominant position like full mount it's basically over and you're not escaping

>>247860
No? Have you never been in a bjj/judo gym?
That's what sweeps are for.

>>247861
I had just finished rolling with several people of higher belt who outweighed me by like around 30kg. Once they were in mount I felt helpless. No amount of bridging and rolling would get them off

>>247882
>people of higher belt who outweighed me by like around 30kg
Of course if they have both more technique AND strenght than you they will have a massive advantage.
If it was only weight it wouln't be so hard.

>>247958
bjj youtube is the gayest shit ever i keep hiding channels but they never end

>>247958
7 years of hot showers prepared me for my big black journey

>>247860
Strength/mass is raw numbers and technique is a multiplier. You can absolutely escape bad positions from someone who weighs 30kg more than you. However if the skill is the same it will obviously be harder.
I weigh 110kg (all muscles frfr) and often get side control/top mount. The best escapes are where opponents actually chain escape attempts. Any Youtube video saying "X escape will work all the time" is a meme. The escape itself might be good but if someone does side control or top mount well, you will need to chain escapes unless the guy on top makes big mistakes.

>>247977
Thanks
Turn the answer is to bloat Max until I am 140 kg

>>247861
If they have the same skill level he'll never sweep someone heavier unless he makes some big mistake.

What is a good attack plan when in top mount?

>>248185
Get the arms above the shoulders

I have to miss my one session of bjj a week today because I have a cold

This sucks

>>248185
Isolate the arms. If you can get your knees in his armpits, he's pretty fucked
Other than that, I like to go for an americana, and when they reach out with their other arm to defend, I can either grab it to go for an armbar or get my head in to go for an arm triangle. I don't think it would work against someone who knows what's going on, but neither I nor my opponents are very good so...

>>248185
This is a pretty good summary
https://youtu.be/sTn25xj9UGw?si=perITHCO6Mfc_S8e

Guys I'm fucking sick AGAIN I missed work and my whole family is sick now... How the fuck do we stop people from training and getting the entire gym sick.

What the fuck.

I'm about to just take cold and flu season off every year. I actually miss COVID 2020-2022 because it wasn't like this.

Guys, I feel like I'm just wasting my time and that bjj is not for me. White belt, we don't do stripes here, 1y of training.

I (5"11/180cm) have been fat almost my whole life, or ultra skinny when I was a child. Now I'm okay-ish (around 85kg a few months ago, but I'll come back to that after) but obviously not a very athletic guy. I'm 27 now, training 4x a week + 4x gym.

Been using steroids since June, 500mg test E/week.

I've never been that jacked, I reached 100kg (not all muscles, ofc, but it CHANGES my life) and increased my strength a lot. I feel like a normal human being for once in my life. I have always been the weak child, then the fatty who plays video games all night. I, for once, don't feel like a fucking failure most of the time.

But when it comes to bjj ? Oh boy.
I can't get even against people my size. Like I'm getting CRUSHED. They are way stronger, faster and overall better than me. I can't get anything out of it. One could say that it is because they have been longer on the mat ? Nope, started on the same day. Always been a little bitch against them.

Against people smaller than me ? I can control, sometimes. But I cannot get a submission, I always fail.

Tonight, as an example, I rolled against a brand new white belt, 3 months in, a kid not even 18 and 20-30kg lighter than me. All the time, I got the dominant position. Which sounds fair, I'm the bigger guy, right ? Yeah, can't get to do a kimura from the guard. Can't get the americana from the mount. Can't get the triangle either, etc.

I feel like shit, I know I'm a shitty white belt, and I'm frustrated against myself. I'd even say that I hate myself and my weak body.
I don't want to become a world champion, and especially not overnight it doesn't work like that, and I know that. But I want to get at least on even grounds against people my size with a somewhat similar time on the mat. Honestly want to just fucking quit.

>>248211
1 yr in and those stats yeah ppl should be beating your ass, that's how you know it works
you're allowed to quit but get to blue first then think about it

>>248216
people at my gym get promoted after 1-1.5y. I don't. I don't feel near good enough to be promoted since even new white belt can resist me anyway. People my size and mat time get their blue, i will not. Not yet at least. I don't care, i don't deserve it now anyway and I don't want a piece of clothes that is given out of pity.

What i'm asking is exactly how can i get it by merit and skills ? I'm tired of being dogshit

>>248217
It took me like 3 years, your gym promotes too fast. Go win some tournaments then see what happens btw.

>>248211
Pick one thing you suck at the most, and autistically hyperfocus on it until it's your strongest suit, then rinse and repeat until you're at least ok in everything

>>248211
Nah son. You're overcoming an entire lifetime of sedentary livng and physical incompetence. You've had to remake yourself as an adult. A lot of guys have. I've had to.

You're "bad" at jiujitsu because it's an extremely complex skill. One year of training is nothing, in the grand scheme of things.

Here's the good news: it's never over. You will continue to get stronger, your body composition will improve, you will get more skilled/coordinated, IF you keep doing the right things.

Here's the bad news: it's never over. Strength and skill can be rented, but not owned, and the rent is due every damn day. It's not easy but it's worth it. Do it just to prove that you have the ability to do difficult and uncomfortable things.

Am I the only one who feels self conscious in training with women on fridays, since I wash my gi on the weekend? They always say they are OK with it, but on Fridays I prefer to roll with other dudes.

>>248229
i always decline rolling with women, except if we are the only two left on the mat. And even then, i'd rather say no.
You never have to roll with anyone, especially women.

>>248229
>since I wash my gi on the weekend?
Buy another gi and rotate it out you smelly dirty fuck.

>>248229
First, buy another gi like >>248244 said
Second, hang your gi after class and spray it with 50:50 water/vinegar, if not maybe throw the gi in your freezer to kill off some bacteria (though that's more a tip for boxing gloves and shin guards)

When I'm rolling with someone much weaker than me I find myself in a position let's say mounting them, and i have control of one of their arms. I then start trying to brute force their arm with my strength in a position where I can kimura/Americana it.

They resist and I then start feeling bad and like I'm "using too much strength" or something and then just give up as It feels like I'm bullying them with my strength. Is this what I'm supposed to be doing or is this bad etiquette?

>>248250
if they're the same age, gender and roughly equal skill level i would say it's a them problem for being weaker
big guys love americanas and kimuras. nothing wrong with using strength. if you're completely dominating them, just get a few taps and try something else next time that you're not good at.

>>248186
>>248198
>>248199
Thanks niggers.

>>248250
Well they have to test their technique and see if it works against stronger guys. There is a counter for pretty much every strength move but of course being stronger is an advantage.
Get the tap anyway and once you reset use 20% less strength.

>>248229
buddy.... 1 shower before class, cut your nails the night before, 2 wash your shit IMMEDIATELY after class, all your gear, your belt, your knee pads, all of it, use Oxyclean 3. Shower IMMEDIATLEY after class

A mere 3 weeks away from being able to quit
I don't know how I'll contain my excitement until then

>>248484
Why 3 weeks

>>248530
Because there's going to be one of those dumb ass end of year holiday parties where they wait to promote people all at once
And I'll be announcing my retirement and getting the F out of there immediately

>>248484
Honestly: if you hate it so much that you're counting days to quit, why not quit outright? Or is the belt so important to you?

>>248570
It's a black belt so I gotta do it

Honestly I only got into this for clout, I never really enjoyed it
I just wanted to do the trendy thing everyone was talking about and stroke my ego seeing people fall off and quit over the years but I remained

>>248587
Your life must be sad. I mean that with the most empathy possible, man, why would you want to inflict that to yourself ? There is so much more in this world than showing off to people who don't give a fuck about you anyway.
I hope you'll find peace and something to truly enjoy Anon

>>248611
Oof..deep cut

>>248587
What will you do once you quit? Any new hobbies lined up?

Or just going to lay down and rot/ goon/ game

Just here to brag that I finally hit a north-south choke for the first time in sparring

>>248637
HOLY BASED

>>248637
ayyyy

In bjj comps, if someone lies down on the floor, why can't the other guy just repeatedly run around in circles to tire him out and then jump on him at the end to land in side control and win on points?

>>248648
Non combattivity is something judges can enforce at their discretion
Butt scoots remove the space for you to run around with
Running around in circles is inherently more tiring than spinning on your butt and inverting
Also there are rulesets where you cant pull guard without some form of connection
It all just naturally sorts itself out

>>248484
>>248587
Brazilian take
Don't let the door hit you on the way out and good fucking riddance

>>248628
Become a sexpat in East Asia most likely

>>248270
At the very least hanging the clothes in the area of best air circulation is key
You'll know you've fucked up if the gi starts smelling fruity or foul, but a properly dried go smells like nothing

5 months of regular training enough before competing?
(Starting from nothing)

>>248660
Imo talented people can start as soon as their coach is on board for it
I know my gym owner fastidiously attends local tournaments where his students are competing so I think your coach's opinion is more important than ours
Unironically though,
No matter how bad you think you are, if you want to compete it's its own practice so yes if you can spare the money

>>248648
This is basically what Dorian Olivarez does
>>248660
Sure, why not. You’ll probably be more gassed than you have ever been in your life, and will probably face someone who has been training 3x as long as you, but it doesn’t really matter. It’s good to get the experience and come back to the training room with specific problems to solve.

>>248660
It's funny how for the first time ever we declined to let someone compete, because the rule I guess is if you're under 18 you need to have the coach of your team sign off on it
And this 15 year old that's been coming for a year at this point asked and was denied
He's too much of a pussy and he's not going out there with our name attached
We don't care if you win or lose but you're not going to be an embarrassment and he has no cardio
One 5 minute round and he's stepping outside to get fresh air trying not to pass out or throw up

Whats the rule on turning up half way through a class?

My work schedule means I'd miss the first 30 minutes of a 1 hour long class

The 1 hour long class then leads into an open mat. Would I be able to observe/drill/spar in the class even though Im half an hour late?

>>248980
Why are you asking us? Ask the coach

>>248980
You have to listen to brasilian music during the class.

>>248980
Obviously a faux pax but probably no more than that
I'll give you a stink eye if you go hard all fresh like that
Otherwise I personally wouldn't hold it against you
You aren't a pro (I'm assuming) and it's a paid hobby, who's the owner to give you a shit if you pay your fees

>>248655
using oxyclean and I have zero gi funk

>>249155
I'm just saying I've gone traveling and didn't have the luxury of a washing machine, but hanging it in the area of greatest airflow cut the post training smell down to "did my opponent have perfume or deodorant on" rather than that fragrant bacterial odor

>>249156
I hang dry all my shit

>>248655
That is what I do, since I can't wash my stuff after every session (college dorm living)
It's not ideal, but airing the gi out for 24h out in the hallway where there's good air circulation gets rid of the funk
Still needs to be washed regularly of course, but it's a good temporary measure

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When do you actually understand what's going on?

>Coach demonstrates move to whole class
>Pair up and drill, mostly just figuring it out with no/minimal intervention from him
>Basically indefinite sparring period, mostly just getting manhandled by more experienced guys, no pointers from coach

I've been going 3 times a week for a month and I feel like I haven't learned anything, is this level of hands off teaching productive? I think I've heard 3 sentences from him total

>>249173
>When do you actually understand what's going on?
Give it time, you'll eventually start understanding the moves, noticing common trends and patterns, connecting the dots as it were
But honestly it just sounds like you may have a pretty bad coach. Usually they should be more involved, walking around, seeing who's struggling or doing something wrong and correcting them. The more experienced guys should be giving you some advice as well, if they know what's what and you don't
Honestly, if you don't get something just ask and keep asking. There are stupid questions, but the stupidest of all is the person who never asks

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>>244458

>Why does everyone assume BJJ involves signing a treaty that you can never use any dirty tricks in a fight?

Generations of people growing up playing video games where fighters have a set number if 'moves', has infected the minds of a lot of violence theorists. They believe that, since you trained your B button to footsweep, you cannot use it to eye Gouge, like they plsn to.

This also explains the phenomenon where people believe that if someone is stronger than them, they must be faster, because all stat blocks are equal, if varied.

>>249177
>The more experienced guys should be giving you some advice as well, if they know what's what and you don't
They're actually really proactive about this and helpful so that's a major benefit here, even moreso when I ask, I can't help but feel that asking them to spar/drill is wasting their time though

>Usually they should be more involved, walking around, seeing who's struggling or doing something wrong and correcting them
They do this but sparingly and usually towards the (seemingly) more experienced members, he's not on his phone but I do wish I was getting form corrections from the coach

At what point should I consider finding a new coach/gym?

>>249177
Yeah I regularly gossip and the people I hang out single out weirdoes as
>People who show up consistently
>Never improve
>Never hang around to ask questions or mingle so no one has any idea about the guy
>But he consistently sucks and isn't improving or innovating any time soon

>>249190
>I can't help but feel that asking them to spar/drill is wasting their time though
Be able to put things to words is its own form of training because then your betters can talk about it
Also me personally as a blue belt I get to practice submissions and getting to them on people significantly worse than me
Otherwise I'm only practicing reversals and defense against equal or better people
It's not a waste unless your opponent can't find something to work on, and that's 100% on them

>>249191

How do I not be this wierdo? I ask questions and mingle so it's mostly the lack of improvement I'm scared of, I thought just showing consistently would be it ngl.

>>249192
I also just go off of seniority, idk if the gym has belts, it's no-gi and I've never heard it mentioned.

>>249193
>How do I not be this wierdo? I ask questions and mingle
The weirdo aspect isnt about the lack of improvement, it's sucking, being stagnant, WHILE being 'that guy' nobody talks to and has no read on
Don't be that guy
If your system has enough people in it, then one of them is bound to resonate with you
> idk if the gym has belts, it's no-gi and I've never heard it mentioned
Oh that should be even less of a reason then
One easy way is to stay after class , and a way to get brownie points is to be that guy who has to feel how a sub being demonstrated, feels

>>249196
As an addendum when I say one of them is bound to resonate with you
You should prioritize people you haven't rolled with if there are people you don't know yet
Hell, try to rope a friend into the sport if you can

>>249196
>WHILE being 'that guy' nobody talks to
I think my gym is moderately cliquey, they're all friendly when it comes to rolls, but I don't sense a lot of reciprocal interest, the gym is also moderately 'toxic' in the sense of drama (coach sleeping with students) and making fun of some people when they're not around - idrc abt this so long as it doesn't spill into poorer quality of learning. It's also a really small gym

>One easy way is to stay after class
The classes don't really end cleanly, after ~30 minutes of drills it just basically becomes open mat, and that extends into open mat for the next few hours where people drop in and out, best i've gotten so far is convo between rolls and before class. The whole gym is very sparring focused, which is also odd cause I frankly don't know wtf I'm supposed to be doing in a roll

>>249173

You need to spar with other newbies and get little wins like, escaping from their mount, getting them in guard, sweeping them, getting them in back control, mount, or side control, and then getting a sub

Do you not have any fighting instinct?

>>249185
Wtf I thought that sort of leg takedown stuff was only in bjj and not judo?

>>249214
>Leg takedown stuff
What leg takedown Stuff?
A lot of gi chokes take advantage of "preoccupied " arms
And a lot of the sweeps in that clip are simply lapel heavy

>>249215
>>249214
A more indepth answer I guess
>Guy and you are in newaza phase
>You have a triangle
>He stands up
Torquing at that point is fairly intuitive

>>249190
>At what point should I consider finding a new coach/gym?
The problem is that while the type of instruction you've described is awful, its also the standard at most gyms so you'll have to be lucky if there's one near by where the instructor actually gives a shit enough to design effective practices and doesn't just demonstrate moves then leave you on your own to figure it out

>>249215
>>249217
I just thought that funny "grab their legs with your elbow whilst they stand up with you in a triangle/in guard" stuff was just bjj shit lmao

Does it happen in MMA too?

>>249213
>You need to spar with other newbies
I think I'm the only guy with less than 6 months of experience in the gym - it's really small. I've escaped stuff like a body triangle and a side control but that was more their mistake than my win (think exploiting a mistake in their form, rather than executing a real escape)

>Do you not have any fighting instinct?
No, I'm usually apologizing half the roll because I'm afraid of hurting them, I'm 6'2", 210 so I'm one of the bigger guys in the gym

>>249218
Fuck, well in that case is this kind of coaching actually productive or should I spend my time doing something else until I can find a decent coach?

>>249221
>is this kind of coaching actually productive
Well to put it simply the entire jiujitsu online space is about instructionals and "hacks" to learn jiujitsu faster

You know how you spend all that time in class doing what you're told and then by the next class you've already forgotten everything from the previous class
That's the typical jiujitsu experience

Demonstrating moves doesn't actually teach anything, because jiujitsu is a skill and learning about the existence of a move doesn't make you able to do it

The best and only course of action is to be completely self directed in your learning, you research and work on the things you want to do
The instructor is just showing you random shit he feels like showing with no rhyme or reason for it, you can't progress like that
In class just play along, and then when free time comes it's only the stuff you're working on 100% of the time

>>249225
>The best and only course of action is to be completely self directed in your learning
I'm not opposed to this because it's what I did for lifting, but my understanding is that form matters a lot more here in terms of injury prevention? Oh and actually winning against someone that knows what they're doing

>>249227
The only thing that matters is effect and understanding the principles behind the effect
There's only like 5 moves in jiujitsu, everything else is just flavor
The 85 iq bjj teacher thinks an armbar from guard, armbar from spider web, reverse armbar, inverted armbar, spiral armbar, belly down armbar etc are all different moves. But they're not. They're all the exact same thing
Block the movement of the proximal joint (shoulder), put a fulcrum behind the elbow, apply force at the distal end of the lever (wrist) you can use any part of your body at any angle in any configuration configuration to do that but the conditions of move never changes
Oh and it turns out the leg has the same anatomy as the arm but in reverse, so you can do all that stuff to the leg too
Your known submissions just doubled
Oh and all the attacks you can do from mount? Guard is the same position but reversed, so all the same moves work from there too. Your submissions just doubled again

The nitwits teaching this crap don't have the neurons to recognize patterns so they think and teach all these thousands of different moves like they exist in a vacuum and need to be individually studied and practiced
They don't. Just observe the commonalities, recognize them, then improvise the execution