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>>267231
>other unpopular jacketed wrestling styles make your own threads
Rude

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>>267231
>other unpopular jacketed wrestling styles make your own threads
No, I don't think I will.

>>268294
Lol

>>268349
Smooth

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Judo bros, i want your opinion on this.

I, like many beginner judokas had trouble with making osoto work. Even after learning more practical ways to do it lik focusing on head control with a clothesline/chin push and trowing diagonally and planting my right fott instead of sweeping before rotating/squatting like osoto otoshi i still didn't feel very secure while doing it because it leaves you open while you're following with your trailing/reaping leg if opponent is pushing back. I've even tried to do it without a reaping leg like sumi otoshi as a safer attack, although i'm not strong enough to make powerful sudden jerking motion to make it work.

And then i stumbled on a collar and elbow wrestling video and noticed a certain way they do a throw in that direction. It's called twist over the knee and it's sort of like sumi otoshi except you step around them instead of behind them and block their knee with yours while pulling them back and to the side. When i tried it it struck me as a very intuitive motion that i've actually already done before against some left handed guys without realizing it. It also worked well for me as a "grinding" type of throw where even if i don't immediately get it i can still drag the opponent into it if i maintain my footing and position. I've found out the same throw also exists in other wrestling styles, including backhold, mongolian and okinawan belt wrestling. Here's a video demonstrating it:
www.youtube.com/watch?v=300RhmgoE3I
I've also found that it's useful as a setup throw to get the opponent off balance for other throws similar to a kouchi gari that attacks the opponent's front foot squaring them up, the throw that i also struggled with. A typical competition style osoto without stepping forward with the left leg doesn't help with that and is more of a makikomi type of throw.

So my question is, why isn't this throw more common in judo? Is there any reason we hardly see it done? Have you ever done or experienced it?

>>269899
Lol boxing 1
Judo 0

>>269329
shamefur dispray

Hey fellas, I'm fairly new to Judo (probably less than two months combined total sessions), I've gotten sort of hurt twice over that time, namely from falling weird, namely swelling/impact trauma on my ass cheeks.

Is it common? Am I just dogshit and need to power through the injuries, or do I need to massively improve my ukemi?

>>270320
if it's not broken bones or sprained joints then it's not that bad, unless it really is. you can try talking to your coach about it but if it's just a bruise you might not really get any good suggestions. you shouldn't blindly power through painful stuff because what you think is a bruise might be more serious and you'll aggravate it and really fuck yourself up. if it's just sore for a couple of days and vanishes without reminding about itself before your next training session it's normal and standard, even if preferably still avoided when possible.

if you're not feeling comfortable in sparring then try to make an effort to give in and accept the fall sooner if you feel you're unbalanced and caught(this doesn't mean throwing the sparring/sandbagging or jumping into opponent's throws) and trying to fall flat and break the fall like in ukemi because you might have trouble doing it in a match while distracted despite doing fine in practice. if all those fail then you can talk to your partners to go lighter(mutually) and pick guys who you're comfortable sparring with, and talking to the coach. if all that fails then change your gym for a one that does judo more recreationally, they usually promote more restrained and less competition-like sparring and have more older guys who usually get this stuff and don't want to get hurt themselves.

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>>270320
Drill ukemi daily. Swelling on your ass cheeks is a weird problem to have, you must be falling really poorly or have some bizarre skeletal deformity.

>>270337
No, fortunately nothing broken or sprained yet. More blunt hit trauma, like black bruise from my upper glute all the way down to near my mid hamstring. It's mostly the discomfort of the swelling, which goes away with time.
>make an effort to give in and accept the fall sooner if you feel you're unbalanced and caught
So focus on the falling mechanics themselves more when I know I'm about to be caught rather than full on either attacking or defending vs my partner?

>>270433
Yeah, my master's mentioned it. I assume it really is just being awful at falls. No deformities that I know of, just a bunch of loose skin from when I was much fatter, maybe some varicose veins from standing all day at work? Though I don't think it'd relate. The times that it happened it felt like a heavy "pinch" on the impact zone.
I've been able to do a whole streak of sessions without issue though, it feels like it's cursed to happened when I train legs or do running/jumping work earlier in the day.

>>270435
if you're about to get lifted/thrown and you feel that your weight is no longer on your feet then instead of flailing or pushing around you do try to relax and follow the throw. hopefully your partner is not a complete beginner and can throw you cleanly when he does so you don't land on your limbs or head but on your back.

you can push back against being thrown but this should happen when the opponent only starts entering the movement, not when you're flying. if he steps in and turns for a hip throw you bend your legs and lean back while pushing your hips against him, in the opposite direction of the way he would pull you. if he tries to osoto you you put your chest against him and hang your head behind his shoulder, leaning forward, and so on. but if you are already losing balance because you missed the moment then you just roll into it slightly where your opponent guides you or bend your leg and sit down before rolling backwards again, just like in ukemi. falling back is easier and falling forward requires you to turn over to your back, which works a lot better with a good tori.

you can imagine good ukemi as minimizing the height you will fall, the sitting down part, and maximizing the surface area of your body that contacts the mat when you do fall, so instead of falling on one spot all your weight is distributed along your back, shoulder, arm, butt, thighs, palm and feet. you don't need to slap the mat hard, you need to extend the hand so that when your body hits the ground you are already extended and maximized the contact area. ditto with legs. with forward rolls try to start the diagonal rolls with your upper arm instead of your shoulder while almost making a hoop with your arms, without locking the hands. and tuck your chin, both when falling and when training, until it's muscle memory to do so when your body enters an unstable position.

>>270436
>Yeah, my master's mentioned it.
It's the most valuable judo technique on and off the mat. Drill ukemi daily. One day you'll be old and take a rough fall and thank your ukemi habit creating a life-saving reflex.

>a bunch of loose skin from when I was much fatter
>felt like a heavy "pinch" on the impact zone
Are you crushing your skin folds? If so, perhaps some kind of rashguard shapewear product would help.

>it feels like it's cursed to happened when I train legs or do running/jumping work earlier in the day
I wonder if the muscle fatigue is leading to bad technique or if you're either over-training or under-recovering and battering over-damaged muscle. Are you making consistent strength gains while training legs?

>>270435
>So focus on the falling mechanics themselves more when I know I'm about to be caught rather than full on either attacking or defending vs my partner?
I would save full-on defending for shiai. Keep in mind the concept of Jita-Kyoei (mutual welfare and benefit), especially for randori and other cooperative and semi-cooperative modes of practice: while tori is training throws uke is training breakfalls and so both of you benefit when one is thrown well and the other lands well. Don't throw yourself or anything goofy like that, but if your randori partner sets up a good throw don't try to muscle through a hard counter, just feel the technique and breakfall properly.

Some schools only do hard randori, basically unstructured shiai. This is retarded and less useful for beginner/intermediate students, and not optimal for advanced students, either (you want both). If you're in this kind of environment I would still suggest saving the hard full-on defending for shiai (most of the time, at least) and going with the flow a bit more in randori, even though it will be slightly more punishing than in the more cooperative style of randori--on the plus side, you'll get more breakfall practice and likely fewer injuries.

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McSasae

Just took my first Sambo class tonight bros, it was a good time. I should have moved to an area with a gym sooner.

>>270902
Lol

>>269098
Because it's not optimal. It's just not a good technique. You have to get an extraordinary amount of control over your opponent to get in that deep, and instead of blocking the leg meaningfully, you're just shoving them down. It's basically just a shitty kosoto gari.

Where should I order a kurtka from in the US?

>>271295
You can buy Stels on Amazon

>>271253
did he get K.O'd? remember to do your ukemi kids

>move to new area and go to Sambo school
>school is part of USA Sambo
>nobody in the school does judo
>not even the head instructor
>it was previously a TKD school
>we don’t go to competitions (because we’re the only Sambo school within an 11 hour drive)
I think I’m going to start cross training judo so I can at least get some judo competition experience.

Gunji koizumi was right

>>271859
>sambo
>without judo
wut

unless the school is combat sambo this is all a hirrible red flag and should be approached like that, with a 10 foot stick.

>>271878
>unless the school is combat sambo
It is. Weeks alternate between striking and grappling instruction. The school seems odd. The head coach openly admits that his students won’t be as good as the students from other Sambo schools in the US (do to lack of competition experience) and highly encourages cross training with judo or jiu jitsu.

>>271859
>>271882
Name the school

>>271886
New Vision Sambo

>>271882
>The head coach openly admits that his students won’t be as good as the students from other Sambo schools in the US (do to lack of competition experience) and highly encourages cross training with judo or jiu jitsu.

That's not the worst thing if they're not advertising their school as high level. I used to run a BJJ club twice a week at a university while I was studying and did offer my students that if they wanted to train more with better partners they could come with me to the Judo and BJJ classes that I went to during the week at other gyms.

Most wouldn't go because they just did it for fun/fitness during semester but I did get 4-5 who would and are all ikkyu now.

>>271901
It's listed as a training center on the US Sambo website, but there's literally zero pictures of them wearing kurtkas on their own website. Only their instructors wear them on some clips on their instagram. Coupled with the TKD background, I'm pretty sure they just rebranded themselves as a generic MMA school with combat sambo marketing.

This map of sambo schools/clubs isn't up-to-date, but it's more exhaustive than the US Sambo webpage by far.

https://www.google.com/maps/d/viewer?dg=feature&mid=1d3wEOsArc4iZiZoSFmZVXelvWN6HBWK6&ll=15.852559320882445%2C2.936670149999941&z=2

>>271904
I believe they switched from TKD to combat sambo within the past few months. It was before Fuji offered kurtkas so they all got blue elite gis, they’re trying to switch over to kurtkas. I think the instructor mentioned something about USA Sambo wanting to expand the number of children in sambo programs and his school having a ton. I honestly appreciate him being open about it being a school for hobbyists, he said it’s basically the only hobbyist sambo school in the US.

>be me
>yellow belt from 10 years ago
>jiujitsu BB
>active in MMA
>decide to get judo BB
>choose the path of batsugun cause I don't have time for this dancing routine you need to do the normal way
>go to the competition
>get put into the Brown belt division because of my experience
>win 5 matches by submission
>gib BB pls
>erm akshually since you weren't officially a brown belt before the competition you don't get anything for winning

And just like that I'll never do judo again

>>271910
Proofs?

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>>271910
>win 5 matches by submission
I thought you had to win by ippon?

>>271952
a submission is an ippon, ippon is just a conclusive win ending the match.

you can get ippon by cleanly throwing opponent on his back, by submitting him on the ground or by pinning him in a hold long enough, either one is fine. other than that you can win by partial points like waza-ari or by opponent disqualification.

>>271910
>I want a black belt
> uhg it's so much work
> I know I'll go sandbag a tournament with jujitsu
>what do you meeeean I don't get the belt

if you want a black belt they're like 12$ on amazon, if you don't want to rank up with a group of judo nerds why do you even want the belt.

>>272102
Clout mostly, looks good on a resume

>>272109
Who the fuck is putting their black belts on resumes?

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>Instead of the customary bow and handshake, Japaridze got to his feet and struck Cavelius in the face, then continued landing blows after Cavelius went down. The altercation only stopped when Kevin Abeltshauser, who was next up to compete for Abensberg, stepped in and pulled the two apart. Cavelius was taken to a hospital afterwards. According to sources, doctors diagnosed him with two jaw fractures, and he was scheduled for surgery in the following days. Cavelius said he has already filed a police report, and the case is being routed through the German Judo Federation to both the European Judo Union and the International Judo Federation for review at the sporting and disciplinary level. He also said he was grateful to everyone who supported him, particularly those who stepped in to separate the two competitors

>>272276
Sick

>>272161
My employer must know that i can fuck him up.

>>272317
Damn Omori-chan i know she's black but you can't just kill her!

>>272740
What technique was this?

"Push him over?"

>>272743
the 'push him over' was at 24 seconds which was the follow through for the real throw at 22 which was either just a counter for the Kosoto Gake or MAYBE could be called a kata guruma or maybe in the loosest terms a uchimata.
if you look closely at 22 seconds you see him pulling the lapel over behind his own head which is why I think it could be a kata guruma but also technically his thigh is connected on the inside of his opponents thigh.
there's probably a more offical kodokan based term based on how the kuzushi is but I don't know it.

>>272743
there are at least two dedicated "push him over" throws in judo, uki and sumi otoshi, both commonly used as a counter to other throws that put the uke out of position. in this case it's uki-otoshi because he was thrown forward, not back.

Can I still make solid technical progress by training only once a week?

Seasonal change, family and weather is making it a lot more burdensome to go. They have classes at noon on Saturdays.

Sankyu, not a big competitor, just like it. Anyone else do this?

>>273035
>>272519

>>273039
i basedfaced irl

What's more effective really bjj standup or judo standup?

I watched some people do their black belt kata performances

Was pretty gay desu

>>273100
If you actually take the time to invest in BJJ stand up it is much deeper and more well-rounded than judo.
Many if not most BJJ players neglect that aspect of the game because it's not important in competition, the same way judo players neglect their submission practice.
So in the real world you are more likely to find judo players that are better on the feet than BJJ players typically due to time spent practicing there.
But in the abstract if you are asking From a curriculum or technique standpoint bjj Is a Galaxy better than judo with what it encompasses.
Modern judo is good at upper body throws* (with the gi) and foot sweeps.
BJJ has nogi, Duck under's, arm drags, leg attacks etc. It is completely unrestricted when it comes to the methods you're allowed to use to put a person on the ground.

In an open rule set where everything is allowed a BJJ player* (that invested the time in stand up work) would mop up a modern judo player and it wouldn't be particularly close

>>273100
bjj has standup?

>>273115
>From a curriculum or technique standpoint bjj Is a Galaxy better than judo with what it encompasses.
BJJ doesn't have a universal curriculum. Hell most schools don't even have a curriculum to begin with, so it's objectively worse from that standpoint.

>It is completely unrestricted when it comes to the methods you're allowed to use to put a person on the ground
BJJ does outlaw certain takedowns, but putting that aside, the idea that an open ruleset leads to a deeper and more well-rounded game is false. People in general tend to follow the meta of whatever, with innovation only being done by outliers at the top. Even then, techniques and innovations are slow to trickle down to the masses.

>In an open rule set where everything is allowed
There's no rule set out there that equally rewards every aspect of grappling. Even ADCC is still inherently submission-focused.

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>>273117
Yeah, but it's not that funny.

>>273115
Yeah this is what I figured. BJJ has such easy natural takedowns that work better than trying to setup ippon.

>>273118
If you took the 10 most common takedowns in BJJ and the 10 most common takedowns in Judo Based on whatever stat metrics you want to use it's a complete washout in favor of BJJ
Those 10 throws are going to include Single and double legs ankle picks, snap downs, mat returns, a couple of the turning throws you see in judo. Every possible physical orientation BJJ will have an answer for it.

Doing the same thing for judo you're already going to have redundant distinctions without a difference type moves because the only thing judo has is trips and throws. Uchimata, morote soenagi, and spamming foot sweeps. that's judo is that's all judo has

A BJJ player will actively try to get behind you to use a Tani, a judo player doesn't know how to do that because they aren't allowed to duck under, they don't know how to defeat bear hugs, they don't know how to break belt grips, they don't know how to do anything other than trip and spin

>>273148
>A BJJ player will actively try to get behind you to use a Tani
Most bjj players don't know what tani otoshi is, let alone how to do it properly.

>a judo player doesn't know how to do that because they aren't allowed to duck under, they don't know how to defeat bear hugs, they don't know how to break belt grips
You can do all of that in judo.

>>273148
>10 most common takedowns
the msot common bjj takedown is pulling guard first, everything else is just a piddling extra

>>273148
>spamming foot sweeps. that's judo is that's all judo has
what an incredible and profound statement