Chris edition>Banzuke:http://sumodb.sumogames.de/Banzuke.aspxhttps://www.sumo.or.jp/EnHonbashoBanzuke/index/>Fight Schedule & Results:https://www.sumo.or.jp/EnHonbashoMain/torikumi/1/1/>Some sumo links and how to watch live:https://rentry.org/uwbgc88dPrevious thread: >>267830
1st for Hosh will never win a Basho as Yokozuna.And he knows it.
He'll win one as Yokozuna-Ozeki.
I berieve in him.
Did the bump limit go up?
>Hoshoryu knee operationUnlike one certain Yokozuna
>>268405teru...
>>268405>Onosato finally goes under the knife>Its for a minor knee issue>Shoulder still fucked
wonder if there are even ways to fix ligaments to be strong enough for sumo?also wouldn't it take most of a year to get it strong enough?
>>268409That's why you have to start out young to get on the sumo path since ligaments and tendons don't toughen overnight. Just ask any joint in Takerufuji's upper body.
>>268410>Takerufuji's lower body.lmao
Theres a good new Dan video on xitter today
When the fuck is Endo opening his stable? The Kitajin kabu is the only one to never open a stable and Endo said he plans on doing it.
Last thread isn't even at bump limit yet faggot
>>268413His lower body tendons are fine, they don't get stressed much. Upper body however...
>>268409Hoshoryu said the doctors told him it would take a year to heal if he DIDN'T get the surgery, so the surgical route must have been faster.
>>268418They changed the bump limit without telling me. Gomenasai.
>>268409When I first opened this for some reason I thought Hosh was at a mall getting a manicure. I wonder if the JSA would give him a stern finger wagging if he did that
>>268424probably. he has to be held to a higher standard than certain unnamed others
I'm tired of living in such a litigious society every time I say "sue less" yall say sumo
>>268422Damn imagine a whole year with no Hoshoryu yushos.
These motherfuckers are drinking turtle blood probably contracting the worst kind of parasitic diseases on earth las plagas type shit
...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iejeD-gtyLQ
>>268444>4chan Posters Can't Stop Eating Sloppaniku
>>268446i watch this gif for 30 minutes everyday
>Your blood type is L
>>268448XDDDDDDDDhave some reddit gold, stranger!
>>268449
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=393kSrfxfGsSpiffy using his autism to guess the banzuke.
>>268451autistically sneaking dicks into the analysis
>>268452Imagine looking at big strong sweaty men grappling and all you can think about is cocks.
>>268444
Its over for the Onami brothers The Tebakari brothers have replaced them
>>268456>Tebakari>Ishizaki>SaitoMove aside Onami uncs.
your thoughts on Dan's a-cups?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JtroLpOB9BMTake me back....
>>268468On this topic, lads: do you think sumo is better or worse off now with the current state of the tachi-ai, where fists being down is far more important than both rikishi being ready to go at roughly the same time as in webm related in the past? There's something less deceitful and time-wasty about the 80s way, but there's both the strategic element of tachi-ai mindgaming and the ritual to doing it properly that're both meritable imo
>>268471touching down looks cooler but I dislike the asymmetric nature of it
>>268473Oh yeah? Well I dislike the asymmetric nature of your face!!!
>>268471the old ways are more like the nipponfu mythological battles
>>268468I wonder how the higher start points change potential injuries from the clashes, if at all.
>>268490
>>268500Daieisho but older and fatter
>>268471The old ways are better. The only way they could actually enforce putting both hands down is to go full University sumo and have the gyoji tell them when to start. Obviously, that's extremely gay. Just go back to the old way, desu.
>>268500Yakuza ass looking mofo
>>268500Ojii-san, I'll win for you!!!
>>268474rude
New Paris footagehttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iZKDN-J6guo
>>268524I preferred the Oho tour.
>>268525Poor guys
>>268526He seemed to like it better the second day when the sun came out. :(
Did any of them go to the Louvre?
>>268528Oho went with Atamifuji but its not in the vlog
>>268526
>>268525>Arc de Triomphe >goes 2-13
New Chris video today
>>268534Holy shitHoly shitGET HYPED
who would win in a Chris vs Spiffy sumo match
>>268536Chris sounds fatter so him.
>>268536Hiro Morita
Banzuke /when/
>>268538Have you heard about the time Tamawashi nodowa'd him?
>>268539August 31st
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N6GPS-wjxH8Moriurara mentioned.
>>268500Any sumo historians care to expect how kotozakura I found a Window open in his eternal ozeki career to break out and win the rope.
>>268556Explain *
>>268556Transitionary period between Taiho and Kitanoumi.
>>268556>>268557Yokozuna Kitanofuj started to decline and other rivals like Wajima and Takanohana hadn't peaked yet.
>open Gundam Versus tournament stream>get jump scared by the kokugikan
>>268569I wish they would fight each other in the ring.
>>268572I've chosen my rikishi, look at that neck
He back.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P-zP8DmqV34
>>268580>midnight.jpg
>>268581Sloppawhiners blown the fuck out by trannytame as usual. Looking forward to their tears when he reaches makuuchi
Nabatame is probably one of the scariest guys to fight because he has zero qualms with pasting the fuck out of you and your face. He's like a more aggressive Daieisho. Fuck's Roga gonna do? Grab your belt and safely bundle you to the ground? Oh noooo.
>>2685815-10
>>268591Why does he make you seethe? He's kk'd in juryo before lol
>>268592He doesn't, and I'm aware. That's just my prediction. Deal with it.
>>268444Overdosing on slop is not good for you
>>268595>Someone saved my shitty editlmao
I FUCKING LOVE BEYASLOPSLOPPANDESU
I hereby coin the term zatsumeshi (雑飯) for slop, aka sloppy food.
>>268599Such a shame that I cannot really use it outside of sumo threads
POV: you are the J-cup breast of an enraptured sujo
>>268569Do you think Hakkaku shows up at these events?
>rikishi-flavored chipstake my wallet
>>268607What does a rikishi taste like?
>>268609Salty shrimp and coins
>>268607Based on the people on the chips what would that say about each individual package.>Hosh>Rushed out of production, taste a little disappointing and will likely crumble as you handle them>Onosato>Should be highest quality based on ingredients used, but the machine that makes them is broken and they refuse to fix it. All the chips are cracked and not seasoned properly because of this>Zak (I think?)>Chips are the most 5/10 tasting snack you ever had, not bad, not amazing but always 5/10.
>>268611I know you are making a joke but based on my actual eating of japanese snacks they probably taste like some nasty seaweed, are uncomfortably hard, and have a weird stickiness to them that pulls on your lips. Overall an abhorrent experience
>redditbatame
>>268607
Kyoda is cursed.
>>268618Imagine the carb crashes that happen in Japan.
Hakuoho was raped 23 times to celebrate his 23st birthday
>>268634I can't believe the fusen went to his good friend Kirishima who was on a Yokozuna run haha that's crazy looool
>>268636image getting that kind of help and still blowing your chance
>soon
>>268633KWAB
>>268636I can't believe that the YDC said a JY with a fusen counts as yokozuna run quality
>>268663>I can't believe that the people who just recently promoted horseshitryu, the worst and most unqualified yokozuna in all of history, would also do other retarded thingsdumb people do idiotic things because they're stupid. you should expect morons to behave retardedly.
>>268664>the worst and most unqualified yokozuna in all of historyStop making retarded statements like this, it just makes you come across as edgy and desperate to lash out.
>>268665Who is worse tho ?
>>268664>just recently promotedHoshoryu was promoted in march of 2025, and you are still seething multiple posts a day since.
>>268664>dumb people do idiotic things because they're stupid. you should expect morons to behave retardedly.But enough about yourself, we know you pretty well already.
>>268666Yokozuna
>>268672wrong.https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/K%C5%8Dji_Kitao
>>268663Stop pretending it wasn't a playoff. Disingenuous fuck.
>>268673Kitao's 14-1 is stronger than any one of Horse's tournaments
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_BTujY1gSbsTakayasu kicking Nabatame's ass in Jungyo.
>>268689That's my Potential Ozeki right there
>>268689The sloppa whiners that just started watching sumo a week ago think this means his juryo promotion is cancelled
>>268692Seek help.
>>268671>>268670>>268665Not seeing any arguments, who is worse?
>>268693>no uYou post 5-10 every time the guy is mentioned, take your own advice kek
>>268695And as I said, I'm rooting for the guy. I thought it was fucking cool that he was doing butsukari with a former Ozeki. You're a fucking psycho seeing haters around every corner. Seek fucking help.
>That audience.Yikes.
>>268666These guys. There are also 7 other Yokozuna tied with him on 2 yusho. And please do not forget that Hoshoryu is still active.
>>268697Bad time to be an evil spirit. Also imagine the thighs that tategyoji must've built up holding his squat for that fucking long.
>>268699i'm okay with it
>>268705I don’t remember him getting any yusho as zuna tho?
>>268705bummer
>>2687072>3>1I want 2 to spit in my mouth while she pegs me.
>>268705>None in the post-Futahaguro eraTightening the standards was to PREVENT exactly the situation that has Hoshoryu showing up every basho just enough to dispense a few gold stars then go kyujo.
>>268726Here's the guy whose hardon for London made him break those standards.
>>2687071>3>2>>268717says it all about 2 enjoyers
>>268727>5 yusho as a yokozuna, 8 overallHis ozeki rope run is fairly close to Hosh's yet Hokutoumi went on to do pretty well. I get everyone has a hateboner for him as the figurehead, but it's an insane when ledditors try to make him out to be a bad wrestler.
>>268709>Turn the city into a giant Dohyo
>>268699Imagine the smell
>>268733Hakkaku gets too much hate he was right to kick Hakuho out knowing what we know now about his female sumo fetish. He is the Reddit Yokozuna.
>>268738I mean... they did?
>>268746>Ryokogu Kokugikan still standingSumo... Is strong!
>>268743>kick Hakuho out
>female sumo fetishbased
chillin
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ySDxFGiwK-gMoriurara mentioned again!
>>268756Onosato is BACK.Hosh is in SHAMBLES.KiriSITma is not getting roped.Are you ready for the REAL Yokozuna to Yusho this September?
>>268758I would love nothing more than an Onosato yusho with an Aonishiki 13-2JY.
>>268756*solemnly respectfully bows towards Chris-sama*
>>268758He nearly beat Dan in July. Came so close.
>>268761But enough about Atamifuji.
>>268756Wasn't Onosato doing well in practice bouts before last basho and it still went bad for him. And at least Takayasu got his injury out of the way early so believers wont get their hopes up.
>>268763i would have to see the bouts themselves but his main problem has been having no pushing power in one arm. that's something he can overcome in practice when things are more conventional but difficult in tournaments when opponents are forcing weird angles
>So Yokozuna Onosato, where did you get your shikona from?Well, the Oo comes from my favourite Yokozuna, Oonokuni. The -nosato comes from my greatest inspiration.>You mean your master, Kisenosato right?Yeah...him...
Anyone who's favorite yokozuna is Onokuni should be put against the wall and shot.
>>268768*beaten to death with a golf club
>>268768*have sake bottle shoven up their anus
why didn't i just take an interest in the popular sports of my country?why am i cursed to be the guy who follows the 'fat guys in nappies' sport?
>>268758Honestly an Onosato yusho is what we need. As kino as Dan's rope would be, we need that big nigga to dominate again.
They're not diapers. They're heavy duty g-strings.
>>268778Would they get mad if I tucked a tenner in their butt cheek?
in england: ngubu is on the grass, getting his fake injuries tended to with a $250k medical contraption which involves dry ice and lasersin japan: a high school dropout is on the clay, dying from an obesity-related broken neck in front of a stone-faced shrine priest, as qualified (f*male) doctors are held back by ringside attendants who will NEVER earn more than $18k in a calendar year one of these societies must be backwards
>>268768Onokuni has a zen yusho. How many zen yushos are there among active wrestlers?
>>268791Who cares? He was a shit Yokozuna and a terrible stablemaster. BTW, you know who was roped after that 15-0? It wasn't Onokuni.
>>268756Purchase an advertisement
>>268791>How many zen yushos are there among active wrestlers?217 across 140 wrestlers. Abi and Ryuden are tied for the most at 5 each.
>>268791>>268794Definitely neat, but only counts if you open it up to the 7-0s. The last salaried 15-0 was Teru's, and the last active rikishi who pulled that off at all were Teru, Hakuho, and TochinoshinThe spookier thing is that there was a period between 1996 and 2004 where not a single zensho yusho occurred, in the gap between peak Takanohana and Asashoryu. Seems we might be in for those days again
>>268766>>268768The kanji for O means greatness. Onokuni uses the same kanji, but the O wasn't specifically a reference to him. Kisenosato just wanted to combine greatness with -nosato. Onosato was also one of Kisenosato's potential shikona choices before going with what he ultimately used.
big
Lest we forget.
His name means Lion Commander
Niggatame will yusho in juryo this September.
>>268801You think that's bad? Tamanoumi pulled off a zensho in the 1950s at M14e and never even made it to Ozeki.
>>268815>You think that's bad?No...
>>268807>you're in a yotsu deadlock with Tochinoshinwhat do you do?
>>268825Gymnastics.
>>268826Oh wait, that's Kotooshu. I guess lose...
>>268825win
>>268825Overpower him.
Kazuma is nasty...
>>268825Hope his knees are cooked and lift him
>>268851He looks positively Gagamaru-esque there.
>>268851Naruto looks weird with the all black outfit
>>268853Shippuden made a lot of changes people didn't like.
Guys I think i fucked up. So I planned my trip around the last two days of the September basho but the problem is I fucked up and accidentally got so im landing on the 27th which is the very last day of the basho. Now my flight arrives 1:25 pm. My hotel is an 1 hr 30 mins away from the airport, the hotel is 30 mins away from the stadium. From my understanding its over by 6 pm. Am I fucked?
>>268855You can watch the yusho parade.
>>268855Don't bring any luggage. Just go straight to the Kokugikan.
>>268857This, you don't want to miss Churanoumi's first yusho.
>>268857okay but im staying for a week so having my luggage is a given. Would there be a place i could put my luggage? if i went straight to the kokugikan?
>>268860At home.
>>268855you might be lucky because tokyo has luggage storage facilities. i just couldn't tell you the best logistics
>>268860There should be coin lockers at metro stations, no?
koin rokkaa
okay yeah i looked it up and it looks like my best option would be dropping my stuff off at Ryogoku station right away. straight from the airport to the station and i should arrive by 4 pm
>>268865Just in time to watch Hoshoryu's dohyo-iri hahaha.
>>268865Utter failure. Commit sudoku immediately.
>>268866maybe just maybe....Takyasu yusho....if it did happen you might see a man cry on stream
>>268871Didn't Kisenosato cry like a bitch when he yusho'd on his Zuna debut? The back to back yusho legitimised his promotion and it meant everything after a decade of being bummed by Hakuho. Or maybe it was just the pain from obliterating his pectoral.
>>268876The all time record for consecutive 12-3s was three. We're now at fucking five lmaoooo this is such an age of mediocrity.
This is such a competitive age.
>>268880I'm happy to see Atami doing so well, for a while there he was getting overshadowed by the rest but he's really pushing his weight around now.
Is Atamifuji gonna be Ozeki now?
>>268882If he gets 12+.
>>268876
>>268885Kisenosato really would've been an excellent Yokozuna if he was born before the Mongs arrived.
>>268746The Ryokogu Kokugikan was so beautiful fuckin amerilards
>>268891Is that supposed to be impressive?
>>268896I think it's supposed to be demonstrative.
>Tatsunami Oyakata spoke to the press on August 27 at Adastria Mito Arena, venue for the Summer Tour's Mito stop, stating: "Unless he comes back completely healed, calls for his retirement will start to emerge. I've told him directly, 'It's going to be brutal if you don't return next time and win the title.'" Hoshoryu captured the championship in last year's New Year Basho to become the 74th Yokozuna, but has remained shut out from titles for nine consecutive tournaments since his debut at the top rank.Not like this horseshit bros.
>>268906Damn that's brutal
He's not even 30....
In another timeline they dont rope him off that oho and kinbozo playoff and he and Onosato are still Ozekis
>>268906>promote someone before they've earned it>put higher expectations on them>blame them when those expectations aren't met>demand they retire to cover for your initial mistakeEvery basho is a clown basho when the JSA/YDC is a circus
>>268906>Unless he comes back completely healed>if you don't return next time and win the titleWell fucking choose one, do you want him on the dohyo or do you want him healed up?
>>268914By "return next time," I think he meant when he returns from his surgery, not the next tournament.
Is Dan the first rikishi to score 3 yusho in 1 year and not be a yokozuna? I don't know how to query it
>>268916Does Onosato before his Yokozuna promotion count?
>>268916Depends on what you mean. No one else has done it and NEVER become a Yokozuna, but it's certainly been done by those who eventually roped.
>>268916Tamanishiki, Takanohana, Terunofuji, and Onosato all did it before him.
All this ass kissing for a mediocre slav How do you guys not get tired of it
>>268891Powerslap
anti-Danners chimpin out again
>>26891113-2JY/12(+2)-3Y is a better promotion than Hokutoumi and he's the JSA Chairman right now.
>he's the yokozuna who never wins tournaments!>he is quirky! >what an oddball!>total nonconformist!
>>268919Takanohana is funny as shit, he had to go all the way to 7 yusho before promotion because they flat out would not accept a JY even though 14-1Y 13-2JY is a crazy strong pair of results. It's like he got so sick of them not promoting him he said "OKAY FAGGOT HERE'S TWO ZENSHOS YOU GONNA FUCKING DENY THAT TOO?". And after retirement he only got more based.
>>268929to the glue factory
>People call this the Taihou era because of kanji in Onosato and Hoshoryu's nameNigga this is the Jyuunisan era because these niggas spittin 12-3s.
I checked what the first kanji in Hoshoryu's name means and it's somewhere between wealth and abundance, so he's the dragon of adundance while Asashoryu was the morning dragon. Tenrosei needs to change his shikona to Tenshoryu so he can be the heavenly dragon.
>>268935You arent black
>>268937Hence why I didn't use the hard R.
>>268936hosh's name is lame because he stole the kanji from the street fighter move shoryuken
>>268939Ur gay.
>>268941no u. nobody of high rank was ever rising dragon except hosh
>>268943Asashoryu?
>>268947His 'sho' meant blue.
>>268950Oh damn so it did. I hate both kanji AND the antichrist.
>>268952And that is why you fail.
>>268937correct, thank God
>>268953nihongowakarinai...
>>268958should be "nihongo ga..."dirty gaijin never get the particles right
>>268961Nips skip particles all the time when it's obvious which one would've been used.
I'm still holding to my conspiracy, that they promoted Hoshoryu intentionally too early in order to force him out so he wouldn't be able to get citizenship and kabu, just to prevent another mongol getting in the NSK
>>268906Who will play Hoshoryu in his inevitable biopic as the latest Mongolian Yokozuna?
>>268982Kotozakura the 3rd
New halfbreed deshi just dropped in musashigawa
>>268982
>>268978He's been working on it since May of last year, has it not gone through yet?
>>268911>>268928I don't know how things were back then but Hoshoryu's situation is peculiar also because he got promoted during a power vacuum that was filled soon after by the arrival of rikishi like Onosato and Aonishiki, and so he really had no time to shine. In retrospect it was probably a bad idea to promote him, but at the time it wasn't as obvious.
>>268994Hokutoumi was still winning yushos in a banzuke of Chiyonofuji, Onokuni, and Asahifuji. I want to believe Hosh has just been unlucky with injuries, after all he's basically doing judo with guys the size of Onosato.
>>268994It was obvious at the time, even here on little ol 4chan it seems like most of the posters knew from the get go that horse never had the makings of a yokozuna sekitori. yokozunas are supposed to win every time out and horse puts up one win every other year.
>>268996Codswallop.
https://www.sponichi.co.jp/sports/news/2026/08/28/articles/20260827s00005000467000c.htmlTatsunami is taking matters into his own hands before HorseSHITryu becomes and even bigger embarrassment to sumo.He has publicly issued an ultimatum: Win the next tournament you enter or I will kick you out of the stable
>>268996I don't agree. Simply take out those two rikishi I named and he would've won multiple cups during this last one year and a half with the results he had. Which is what everyone was expecting from him at the time.
>>268996>yokozunas are supposed to win every time outYokozunas are supposed to make sumo exciting, their entire job is entertaining the Gods so they bring bountiful harvests, and being in the runnings for every yusho is simply how they do that. No fucking Yokozuna in history has come close to your standard.>But Raiden-Shut up.
>>269002Well, Hakuho was close, but I know what you mean.
>chrisslop viewers when pro athletes aren't given 20 years of vacation to heal from one injury
>>268990Interdasting.
>>269001>if there weren't good wrestlers then this terrible one would've yushoedyou can say that about anyone. koga would've yushoed by now if it weren't for the 580 guys better than him having showed up
>>269005Doesn't Mushigawa already have Dan III as their foreign import?
>>269003Desu prime Hakuho wasn't as dominant as prime Asashoryu. Nobody was.
>>269006>you can say that about anyoneNo, you can't, because koga has never been at the top of sumo at any point during his career, ever.
>>269008Depends on how you look at it. Asashoryu never had more than two zensho in a row. Nobody has... except for Hakuho who had 4 in a row. Also Hakuho's period of dominance lasted far longer, and not just because Asashoryu was forced out. Asashoryu only won 3+ yusho in a calandar year 4 times to Hakuho's 9.
>>269006Completely disingenuous. Anon said TWO rikishi.
>>269008Prime Hakuho was an 8 month long unbeaten streak
>>269011Nobody's ever won every basho in a calendar year except for Asashoryu. Nobody's won 20 yusho in as short a space of time as Asashoryu. It says a lot that he was the standard Hakuho had to raise himself to in order to accomplish anything at all.
>>269007Apparently his mother is Japanese and he is a Japanese citizen
>>268994>but at the time it wasn't as obvious.At the time it was very obvious. I know because I was there. His promotion by itself was the weakest since 1987, and he hadn't built up an impressive enough resume as ozeki to indicate he could rise to the occasion. They were shit-scared of not having a yokozuna on the banzuke and the YDC chair wanted to fluff his own ego, and yokozuna standards suffered for it.
Yeah because Onosato has been such a great Yokozuna *snorts*
>>269000I guess the big deal if he used "saigo tsukoku" or final warning, which is pretty strictBut maybe the internal strategy is to give him maximum recovery time and an explanation for why he'll miss multiple tours and tournaments.
>>269019Aonishiki's Yokozuna career has been sensation-ACK!
>>269019The guy basically went from living bulldozer to being visibly terrified of even stepping foot in the dohyo, I feel bad for him
>>269016>obody's won 20 yusho in as short a space of time as AsashoryuThat's kinda my point though. Sure he burned bright, but at what cost? Hakuho burned nearly as bright for far longer.
>>269017>>269007Oh, and his father wrestled for Takasago.
>>269024
>>269018>I dislike him because X and YThat's fine, I don't care. The facts are that he got outshined by two rikishi that had a remarkable rise right after he got promoted. You can pretend that at the time it was obvious this would've happened if you want. I think very few at the time could've foreseen the rise of Aonishiki alone, who's probably been his main problem for the last year.
>>269027I don't dislike Hoshoryu, I don't blame him for being promoted before he deserved it, that's the fault of the YDC and JSA. But the truth is, he was promoted before he deserved it. Sumo has gone without yokozuna before, they didn't need to rush Hoshoryu before he was ready. Aonishiki and Onosato are irrelevant because we're talking about Hoshoryu, not them. Based on the body of Hoshoryu's results at ozeki, he was promoted before he was ready. It really is that simple.
>>269027Onosato was rising as Hoshoryu was promoted, he just got lucky as fuck that Onosato took his foot off the gas for two basho.
Baruto x Hakuho Interviewhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_9NWfZOVqu8Did you guys know Hakuho only used to weigh 62 kgs?
>>269030I weighed less than that when I was a chicken nugget in the womb.
>>269028>Hoshoryu's playoff opponents in Aki and Kyushu of last year are irrelevant.
Have Dan haters really now sunk to the level of saying >oy vey Dan has been in sumo almost three whole years and he hasn't even made yokozuna yet!!! he sucks!!!Yes, it seems that they have.
>>269031Burger-san tsuyoi...
>>269032When talking about whether Hoshoryu should have been promoted to yokozuna, yes they are irrelevant. Nobody should have any slack given to them based on who else is on the banzuke. The whole point of yokozuna should be an indication that they were at one point one of the best of the best. Hoshoryu did not earn that distinction.
Imagine if Hosh comes back after his surgery with a zensho.
>>269036he won't even finish the basho lel
>>269035Well then if that's the case than his promotion was certainly warranted because he was the only one on the banzuke who met the criteria. You can't have this both ways.
>>269037I'm going to pick him in kachi clash just to spite you.
>>269028They're relevant because if it wasn't for their rise Hoshoryu would've won multiple cups and the Tatsunami stablemaster wouldn't have made those comments and me and you wouldn't be here now having this discussion. You can say Hoshoryu didn't look like a strong yokozuna candidate at the time and that's fine but that's about it. He met the requirements set by the JSA and after getting promoted he posted results that were more or less in line with what people were expecting from him. He just got outshined by those two and as a consequence was never able to actually yusho.>>269029At the time he got promoted he was 5-1 against Onosato. Again, even just by taking out Aonishiki you'd have a very different picture now.
>>269036He's going to come back and prevent an Aonishiki zensho
>>269040>if it wasn't for their rise Hoshoryu would've won multiple cupsThen Hoshoryu shouldn't be yokozuna, end of story.
>>269042>>268994>In retrospect it was probably a bad idea to promote himGreat, we agree!
Hosh's 13-2JY was a yusho equivalent and everyone saw it clear as day. It was followed with an exciting yusho. His promotion was fine, stop being gay.
>He's clearly not worthy because he lost to these two people who aren't relevant to the discussion.
For me, it's a Kiri yusho and then failing to get a single double-digit performance next year as yokozuna
Kiri is underrated, just a solid consistent intelligent worker, not top level but not everyone can be
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>>269048Damn and people call British teeth bad.
>>269045He's not worthy because he lost. Who he lost to is irrelevant. He should be judged entirely on his individual performance. Saying "but he lost to these guys" is an irrelevant excuse, not a relevant justification.
>KiriY'all are talking about Kirinryu right?
>>269050>He should be judged entirely on his individual performance.He was. That's why he was promoted. Because his individual performance was worthy. You're trying to use his performance AFTER that to say he wasn't worthy. That's wrong and gay.
Anyone saying Hoshoryu didn't deserve promotion didn't watch those two basho. First he was an unstoppable judoka who only lost to Zak having the basho of his life, then he was Captain Clutch who ran his dick through the entire Sanyaku then dominated a three way playoff. Fuck outta here with that he didn't deserve it shit.
I miss his wild throws. The fact he had to change up his style after becoming yokozuna is reason alone for wishing he didn't get the promotion.
>>269054His ipponzeoi against WTK is one of the coolest moments in sumo.
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>>269056There was another throw against WTK a bit back where he made the fucker flip in mid air and land on his ass, that was cool too.
>>269057Got you.
>>269052His individual performance was worse than every previous yokozuna promotion 35 years prior to him. His performance after is irrelevant.
>He's not worthy because he lost.>His performance after is irrelevant.You're just going in circles contradicting yourself. Give it up.
>>269063He did in fact lose many times before he was promoted, and in fact lost more times than any other yokozuna promotion 35 years prior.
>>269065You set the cut-off point at 35 years for arbitrary reasons. Curious!
>>269065But enough about his irrelevant losses, how about his 13 win junyusho and his 14 win yusho? Where's that sit in your ranking?
>>26906637 years and 2 months if you want me to be precise. 8 months if you consider Onokuni zensho'd the basho before his run.
>>269068Curious!
>>269069I mean, if you think "Hoshoryu's promotion was the worst since the era where yokozuna promotions were so bad that one of them got kicked out without a yusho in his entire career and they very clearly and explicitly tightened the promotion standards after that" is arbitrary then that's your problem.Personally I think a yokozuna should be more than "average ozeki."
>>269070I don't think it's arbitrary, I think it's flat out false.
>>269070Ozeki are expected to get 10 wins. Hoshoryu got a 13-2JY and 12(+2)-3Y.
The very fact that there is a debate about Hoshoryu's worthiness of a yokozuna in and of itself suggests there are legitimate questions.For example, no one would say that Onosato is unworthy of the rank. (I mean, someone could, but they'd be arguing in bad faith and would thus be easily dismissed.)
>>269074Onosato is what Hoshoryu defenders think Hoshoryu's promotion was. Onosato earned his promotion, he had a solid body of performance leading up to it, there was no lowering of standards because he had two yusho in a row, and his lack of performance since then has clearly been due to injury. Saying he didn't deserve promotion would be actual hindsight logic. Hoshoryu by comparison plainly did not deserve promotion at the time, and they had to lower the standards to a level not seen since the late 80s because some YDC fucks wanted their egos stroked.
>they had to lower the standards to a level not seen since KisenosatoIFTFY
>>269076>because some YDC fucks wanted their egos stroked.Also, there was panic about the upcoming London tour being without a yokozuna.
>>269077Kisenosato had more wins for his promotion run, and had a much stronger ozeki tenure than Hoshoryu. Don't get me wrong, Kisenosato's was the previous standard for "worst since Onokuni", but Hoshoryu's was worse than his. That's how low the bar was for Hoshoryu, "worse than Kisenosato."
>>269079>Kisenosato had more wins for his promotion runNo he didn't. He had 26 to Hoshoryu's 25[+2].
>>26908026 is larger than 25, anon.
>>269077To be fair to Kisenosato (not that he deserves it) he did win his first basho as yokozuna and, thus, did win two basho in a row. It's a symbolic gesture but it's meaningful all the same. And his five-year tenure as ozeki (in which he competed against Hakuho, Harumafuji, and Kakuryu) he still had 11 jun-yushos and only 7 basho where he scored single-digit wins.
>>269081And smaller than 25[+2], which you know but are ignoring for your own purposes.
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>>269019He's the first guy to earn his promotion unambigiously with back-to-back yusho since Harumafuji. You can't say he didn't earn that rope.
>>269094>You can't say he didn't earn that rope.He didn't say that.
>>269080>>269083And those [+2] are to maegashitters who've never been as successful before or since. But Hosh nuthuggers will die on the hill that Oho and Kinbozan are just as good wins as beating Hakuho twice in back-to-back basho.
>>269096>He should be judged entirely on his individual performance.Read the full convo or fuck off.
>>269036Horse's zensho? 0-15 with 15 kinboshi dispensed
>>269058might as well ask, do you have the hoshoryu kotozakura recent one? ended up with hoshoryu judo throwing koto after lifting his leg to the fucking ceiling?Either earlier this year or late last year
>>269134https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ufO8ujFyar8Nvm found it myself
>>269135What in the heckin' AI is this video?
