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>What is a feminine male?
An androgynous male with feminine and soft features. Most are gay or bi.
>Are feminine males trans?
Some twinks turn out trans, most do not. Most will age into twunkhood and continue slutting it up on Grindr well past their mid twenties.
>Can I be a feminine male?
It's possible. Masculine bone structure, facial hair, height, and age make it hard.
>Should I go on HRT?
Do whatever you want, but please keep your inane questions out of /hrtgen/. That thread is for actual trans people, not uwu tucute soft bois(male(girl(male))).
>Is liking feminine males considered gay or straight?
Gay. If you're on the fence about it, you're bi, like a lot of people.
>Pastebin
https://pastebin.com/i5up7rN1
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>>10313758
You're still here though ~

But yeah discord servers and this board are pure cancer, don't let them influence your life and have a social life outside of this shit.
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Any advice on haircuts?
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>>10316418
Get a cute one
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>>10311539
>healthy life past my thirties
>without HRT
top kek m8

Diet+Exercise+HRT >>>>> Diet+Exercise
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>>10316563
I'm not trans though, fuck off with your HRT shilling. No idea why you posted Masahiro Sakurai, he just hit the genetic lottery which is unrelated to your shitty agenda. You'll look grotesque and weird.

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What was your first time like?
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>>10315941
i met up with a guy at my place from discord to cuddle and maybe do something more
we threw at each other and just snuggled the hell out of each other and gave blowjobs and stuff
now he got a boyfriend, hates me and calls a whore
don't do sex you guys, it's no good
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>>10316054
I'm sorry anon.
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>>10315941
A girl got me drunk and mounted me and I kind of laid there going 'this is it?'

I fell asleep after like a half hour, I was numb and it wasn't any fun at all. When I sobered up she'd somehow become my girlfriend and I just never told her to leave.
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>>10316281
thank you but I'm more secure in myself now :)
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>>10315941
>implying

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Alright so im picking on this on freshman faggot but i really want to fuck him and kiss him and make him mine. How do i show him im interested while in the closet?

pic not related
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>bf is a 6’1”, 210 lbs hairy daddy
>he used tell me stories when he was younger
>stood up for kids who were getting bullied
>he was an avid brawler who would fight just about anyone that would mess with him
>he used to slapbox (only with punches) with army buddy of his
>avid hockey player for years, feeding into his aggression
>his persona is someone who is a fucking hard ass and mean, even some of his employees have a respect (out of fear) for him but actually hes a huge softie
>all those years that he could never get a bf because society was against it, years of alcoholism
>manlet bf (me) has him whipped

So yeah, who could have guessed?
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>>10313855
Gaaaay
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>>10313855
My boyfriend is 6'3 and into jujitsu and kickboxing. I love being his little spoon.
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>>10314004
you finally coming out, but still hesitant, so you insult to hide your own insecurities?
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wink

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What are some trans positive anime I can watch?
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>>10314707
How is he an asshole? He's just telling her to go ahead and get the Op.
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>>10316252
He beat the shit out of her because he doesn't consider her a real woman
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>>10316269
Nah. It was more like he was going to beat the shit out of her anyway for being hired to kill them but wanted to gauge how much to do so. Whether that was a biological bias, cultural bias or transphobia I'll leave to ya.
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you're under arrest is a transgender positive anime.
One of the supporting characters is a Transwoman and she is an accepted part of the team.
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>>10316269
He killed all the other demons he faced. Comparatively, she got off really well.

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I'm a guy. I like women, but I think vaginas are fucking disgusting in every way and never want to touch one.

what does this mean
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>>10315882
sure
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>>10315899
Now have a happy picture, you gosh darn son of a gun!
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>>10315623
are you a virgin? have you had any kind of sexual interaction involving a vagina?
it's not uncommon for virgins to not be attracted to vaginas, consider them an acquired taste
You're probably just straight and inexperienced
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>>10315963
nevermind,i read the rest of the thread and you're definitely a virgin and will probably always be one
LMAO
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>>10315860
How can I get a job when I'm 22 and have no work experience or a high school diploma? I've been looking for work for the past 5 months and I've only gotten a single interview where they basically told me there's no way they'd hire someone who's been neet for 4 years for no reason. If I go back to uni to get an education I lose my government benefits and can't afford to eat.

What do I do anon? Just try harder? What are my options please God tell me

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How do I know if I'm trans or just delusional? Sometimes I think I genuinely tricked myself into believing I'm trans.
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>>10315872
do you feel better or worse after transitioning?
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>>10315881
I'm boymode, but sometimes I feel better. Other times I think it was a huge mistake that I'm in too deep to get out of now.
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You're only trans if you're making an attempt at transitioning. It isn't like being gay. Whether your reasons are legitimate or not is up to you to figure out. It's your body and your life.

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Do you believe there is any truth in Blanchard's 2 types of TS theory? I don't mean you have to believe all of it, just if you agree with a few parts of his theory or at least think he was on to something.
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>>10315536
Like mentor who helped me establish myself when I ran off to the city.

But on my dad's side there are three blood trans women in my family. My grandfather's generation had one transition in her early 20's, my father's in her early 20s and my generation has me
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it's bullshit but AGPs do seem to exist on some level
HSTS is a load of bullshit
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>>10315620
>Like mentor
oh ok

still tho what did she say about hsts?
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>>10316155
She mentioned that normative trans women have fought so hard to say our medical transitions and decisions are solely our own that we withhold from our experiences the acknowledgement that we too desire and seek to attract partners/mates/lover like any other woman.

Some other stuff too but desu I'm tipsy on champagne now and can't remember
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>>10316223
>She mentioned that normative trans women have fought so hard to say our medical transitions and decisions are solely our own that we withhold from our experiences the acknowledgement that we too desire and seek to attract partners/mates/lover like any other woman.
i don't understand this. normative as in natal sex straight or identified sex straight? or just non-agp?

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When was the first time you become a part of the LGBT community?
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>>10316333
yup
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>>10316313
yes. the reason is that hormonal levels in utero are known to affect brain structures that are involved in sexual orientation and gender identity.

a baby isn't gay any more than a baby is straight. but why do boys predominantly end up attracted to girls, and girls to boys? because their brains are wired that way. it's not like babies in general are sexually attracted to anything. the same applies to gay people. so you're right that it's predisposition. the gayness doesn't happen until puberty activates sexuality. it works like in straight people, but the wiring is different and occurred as far back as the womb

>100 years ago there were much fewer LGBT people
100 years ago you were killed, castrated or institutionalized for being LGBT. not even making crucial contributions to a war effort and being the father of modern computing could save you.

a bisexual doesn't have to know about bisexuality to feel attracted to someone of the same sex.
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>>10316313
>Like, I'm sorry but I really doubt that, I can buy that people have a predisposition to be gay when they're born but also, how can a baby be gay.
By "gay at birth," no one with a modicum of sense means that babies fresh out of the womb want to be surrounded by posters of toned men in speedos. They mean that some babies are born with a predisposition to be gay, one so extreme, that by the time they were born, they were guaranteed to develop some romantic/sexual feelings for other men, whether they will know how to interpret those feelings or not.
>Not to mention like, 100 years ago there were much fewer LGBT people
Were there? Do we have good stats on that? And even if we had stats based on self-reporting, how many would own up to the fact that they're gay? And it's very easy for me to imagine that, in a more temperate society where porn is scarce, people who may have had "weird feelings" would have a harder time coming to terms with them. But since they would understand their sexuality in the right environment, that makes them, say, gay or bi.
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>>10316278
that's what being in the community is about b
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>>10316181
when we first interacted with the LGBT community

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I just can't. I'm not a straight man. I'm not a homosexual man. I'm a woman and I've had to explain this to people, doctors parents teachers, since I was in middle school. I can't relate to either group of people. I can't relate to anyone. And now the same people who will grow up to be the same doctors I fought against as a kid, are telling me that I'm an "example" of something I'm not, that I "represent" something I don't. And it's a decade after I started fighting. People still don't understand me even though it's the simplest thing in the world.

Why is the bar for "woman" so high that a person can fight for her whole life and still not have people understand. First it's "you're a boy", then it's "you're just a gay boy", then when I get older and people do believe I'm not gay, it's "you're just an AGP", and if it wasn't, then it would still be "you're just an HSTS". Never a real woman.

I need to disengage from trans people and trans thought completely. But I feel like I can't do that before I deserve it. I need surgeries but I don't have the money. I'm a talented artist but I don't know how to sell my work.

The only time when I feel like myself is when I'm stoned and listening to music.
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>>10315747
>>10316038
>>10316136
>We found a significant main effect of Sex in several major white matter tracts (with higher FA in males), but, notably, not for Sexual orientation. Furthermore, congruent with our primary hypothesis there was a significant effect of Gender identity in the right IFOF. In the other tracts measured, the present study revealed, like in several previous studies, sex-atypical FA values in transgender individuals. However, and importantly, these values became sex-typical after accounting for sexual orientation.

>..
>With regard to GD the major observation was that the significant effect of Gender identity, after accounting for sexual orientation, was confined to the IFOF. Since there were no significant differences in FA between TrM and cisgender women, sex-atypical FA in the IFOF might be a more prominent feature in TrW. Interestingly, both TrW and TrM displayed FA values in the CST and SLF more in accordance with their sex assigned at birth, whereas in the IFOF the FA values were more in accordance with their gender identity (sex-atypical for TrW, sex-in between for TrM). The IFOF connects the occipital, parietal and medial prefrontal cortices. The IFOF, in particular on the right side, may thus be involved in the perception of self (mediated by the mPFC50) and the perception of one’s own body (mediated by the right parietal lobe51,52). Consequently, aberrant FA in the IFOF of transgender individuals may be underlying to the unconformity between their perception of self and their body. Importantly, this finding of sex-atypical FA values in the IFOF did not change after accounting for the more heterogeneous sexual orientation among the transgender participants.

cont.
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>>10315747
>>10316038
>>10316136
>>10316169

>..
>Importantly, the present data also provide a neuroanatomical underpinning for a GD/transgender-specific aspect - the body dysphoria and great distress due to incongruence between physical sex and experienced gender. The right-hemispheric differences between cis-homosexual and transgender groups, together with the confirmed aberration of FA in the (right) IFOF, provide compelling indications for the hypothesized different own body perception, specifically in transgender individuals. In line with our results, several previous neuroimaging studies found differences between trans- and cisgender groups particularly located in the right hemisphere, more specifically in the right insula, (pre-) cuneus, temporo-parietal junction, orbito-frontal, medial frontal, and anterior cingulate cortex. These regions, and the right hemisphere in general have been reported to be involved in cognitive processes of (body) perception in relation to self, body ownership, ego-centric representation, and bodily self-consciousness.

In conclusion trans people, no matter their orientation and before undergoing hormonal treatment, differ from cis people in the right IFOF, which is believed to be part of the network that governs own body perception.
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>>10316187
I've looked over everything. I'm not sure how to feel about it. I also think I was banned from Cara's Discord, but that's probably a good thing since Trent was still antagonizing me and it wasn't good for me. He also doesn't believe that this study disproves a sexuality-based typology, he seems to believe in some neuroplastic explanation for the sex-atypical FA values in the right IFOF. He and the others will probably dig their heels on this forever.

I think that since I'm obviously not hormone-naive, there will be no way of proving anything for me. I'm just gonna go ahead with the plan I've always had. But recently I've just lost so much hope. Nobody seems willing to perceive me as a woman, I am constantly antagonized online, and offline is just kind of empty for me. If I got FFS and SRS pretty much right now, I might still survive, but I know that it won't be accessible for me until probably much later. So I think that I might try to form a suicide pact with someone I know IRL. But I'm honestly not sure what to do.
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>>10316209
I'm very sorry for adding to your sorrow. There's the argument that what makes a woman a woman is the social position she occupies, which is why we treat intersex women as women, and I don't think that argument is without basis. Going by it, then, you are a woman since you live as one.

Why is offline "empty" for you? Do you live in a tolerant area? Have you reached out for people who believe what I wrote above and so genuinely think of you as a woman?

>he seems to believe in some neuroplastic explanation for the sex-atypical FA values in the right IFOF
F*cking Tr*nt. I swear. What about the results of the first study I posted? Is that down to plasticity too? Why are the changes sex-related?
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>>10316209
why would trent antogonize you?

Curious about this.
Do gay people find their reflections sexually attractive? (Assuming you're hot ofc)
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>>10315916
>alloerotic attraction to yourself
Autoerotic attraction?
I'm dumb, so I don't get it.
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>>10315924
No, allo, the opposite of auto. Auto = self, allo = others.

Getting off to yourself in the mirror is the same as getting off to somebody else in the mirror. It's alloerotic.

Agp is something else. Agps don't need mirrors.
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>>10315939
That is a strange way to look at it, if you'll pardon the optical pun. Though after a little reflection, I can see what you mean.
I always just go, "Damn, I'm hot. Fuck yeah!" The mirror is optional, but appreciated. Always just called it classical narcissism. Though, I suppose alloerotisism and autoerotisism aren't mutually exclusive at all.
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>>10315242
Thats because bisexuals are inherently narcissistic. Spending more time on this site only reinforces this belief for me, lol.

>>10315164
But to answer op's question; No. But then I am a 6ft hairy top, and I only like shorter twink bottoms, so......
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>>10315994
>. Though after a little reflection
:*)

>I always just go, "Damn, I'm hot. Fuck yeah!" The mirror is optional, but appreciated. Always just called it classical narcissism.
Yeah, narcissism and being attracted to your own body because you're the right orientation and your body is attractive are things allophiles can do.

It becomes agp when the fact it's yours is what makes it hot.

Being turns on by your own reflection doesn't have enough info to tell which. If OP asked about trannies, we could guess she meant agp, but talking about gays (especially with the "Assuming you're hot ofc") means she meant it in an allo way.

>Though, I suppose alloerotisism and autoerotisism aren't mutually exclusive at all.
It seems so. Or it can be hard sometimes to tell what you're experiencing, because why can't an agp be narcissistic or be turned on by her reflection independently of it being her?

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it's extremely rare to see a tranny with long legs and short torso. Men, and trannies are men, have short legs and long torso. Look at the picture here. Look at how fucking lower the man's legs start. Wow! And yet, the stupid ass trannies think that the mones will make them pass.
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>>10313118
>>10313125
You look like a dude. A soft dude, but a dude nonetheless.
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>>10313118
>>10313125
kilo???? is that you?
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>>10313125
Yeah, why are you giving us a tease?
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>>10291069
the differences are both true on average
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>>10315132
men have a long torso and legs that are relatively short. Women have a shorter torso and longer legs. Why are we still stating the obvious?

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>never sexually imagined myself as a girl
>never felt dysphoria
>never disliked being male
>but someone assumed my gender as a she based on my anime avatar and mannerisms through text I guess and I felt good about it

Should I transition now?
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>>10312847
>>never sexually imagined myself as a girl
Then you're not AGP, making you cis.
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>>10315559
Even if you believe Blanchard, HSTSs are a thing.

Or are you one of those weird pseudo-Blanchardians who believe only half of the typology and not the other half...?
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>>10315650
Most things aren't trans.
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>>10312847
this was me a few years ago; i ran with it and now im on hrt
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Probably not, just be a feminine/gender-ambiguous guy.

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Post your largest bad dragon here, and yes I'm a dude I like dragon cock
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Prety sure there's a point at which the law considers these things to be a weapon.
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>>10313870
careful nigga might destroy your sphincter
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>>10313967
You'd be surprised by what some others can take. I'm just in training
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>>10313883
not uncommon - reactive sexuality, much more common in females
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>>10313870
>tfw no big dragon because poor and earns minimal wage in shitty currency
why even live, some people have literal wardrobes full of nice thick colourful cocks and i've got my fingers ;w;
pls share some

I have had enough. I don't give a fuck anymore about being honest to men. Fuck that shit. I am a post-op transsexual who passes extremely well. I am attracted exclusively to men, men who don't want dick, not repulsive tranny chasers. My transition was extremely difficult, painful and I experienced all sort of traumas, financially, physically, emotionally. When my transition was essentially complete, I was able to live as the woman I was meant to be.

One thing that was super clear to me is that I didn't go through all this hell to have gay sex. Gay sex is revolting to me. If I went through all this hell and experience pain, I wanted to have a man not attracted to dick.

I have dated plenty of men. They have treated me like a queen but, the minute I come out to them, something changes. There is a perceptual shift, they don't see me as a human anymore. They will still stick around to have sex and treat me as an object, but, they won't fall in love with me.

The last straw that broke the camel's back was Luke (I will call him Luke, but that is not his real name). I was madly in love with this guy and this guy was starting to love me. Before I told him about my transition, he would date me and show me around, after I have told him what I am, he won't date me publicly anymore. He will only want to come home for sex, but won't even buy me a bottle of wine, whereas I found out he has spent over 5k on a whore, to wine and dine her. So, fuck everybody who says that honesty is the best policy. I am in my mid twenties and am not getting any younger. The minute men know I was born a man, they become merciless. They won't even want to stay friends with me. Some of them will only want to use me to cum. No matter how beautiful and attractive I am, they will see me as a surrogate. So, fuck you everybody who told me I should be honest. I, from now, will be merciless with guys and lead them on and then discard them. You made me like this.
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>>10316060
He saw my pill bottles and googled what they were. not really a good story desu
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>>10316068
you were dating a cishet dude and were still on anti androgens?
did he think futas were real or something? lol
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>>10316153
He was very christian so he believed in all that no sex before marriage shit. I don't know why I thought it would work desu
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>>10313591
>mfw
>no pic
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welcome in the world of girls.

Which is the most homoerotic genre of fantasy?
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>>10316159
I love playing priestesses. My very first character ever (and I'm certain a million other transgirls) was based on remaking Aleena from the Mentzer Red Box. I've played every variation of good priestess I could find, plus oracles, and... I even managed to play the all-pacifist Priestess of Eldath from Forgotten Realms Adventures (2E), although Ilmaterites and Lathanderites were my favorites.

Erm...sorry, didn't mean to nerd out there.
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>>10315957
WWE followed by gay porn.
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>>10316179
Mad Max 2 is the gayest http://madmax.wikia.com/wiki/Lord_Humungus
>He notably has two castes of warrior which he calls out in the film: "gayboy-berserkers" and "smegma-crazies"
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>>10316191
Do they censor that out on tv? I feel like I would remember a detail like that due to the amount of times I've seen the first 3 mad max movies.
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>>10316184
>sorry
Don't be sorry. It's nice that you shared.

I would have played a priestess, sorceress, or female ranger by now, but so far every d&d group I've been in is comprised of at least 50% family. It would be pretty weird to show up and say I'm going to role play a woman. Maybe I only think it would be weird since I'm repressing and terrified of being outed. I guess the solution is to find a group outside of family ties where any judgements wouldn't follow me home. Until then, I guess I'll continue being a bearded male dwarf warrior who drinks and gets in barfights whenever possible.



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