I'm 4 eps in and I think I'm starting to grow a hateboner. I went into her show with an open mind, but so far all it does is copy the most basic of shit like harry potter, atla style elemental magic, and shoujo tropes, and all the characters are incredibly irritating. Does the story get better later on?
Safe Fantasy
I haven't watched the anime yet, and I probably won't, but the manga is really really good. It has an impressive art style and, for what it is, unique character designs. And of course, the magic system is quite impressive.That said, it's far from perfect. The plot and the character choices, especially the villains, are so cartoonish that you start thinking either something is being hidden from us, or this was just planned for kids under twelve.
>>287706911>dung meshitKek, please care lol
>>287706779>Why is it popular?Its popular?
>>287706911Goddamn, Dungeon Meshi came out in 2024. It feels like yesterday...
>>287707159>And of course, the magic system is quite impressive.So far it's magic circles+basic elemental powers+harry potter but with more pens. The last part feels more ridiculous than creative cause it looks like in this world any retard with copying paper and a grimoire can cast powerful spells, so why is the mc struggling? Especially since she's the child of a seamstress as reminded in every ep so her special skill is drawing a straight line.>or this was just planned for kids under twelveIt does feel this way which is strange because isn't it seinen? But it's written more like shoujo or some Western show for little girls. I know that the creator is female, but it's like she's not even trying.
>>287708463The trick with drawing is that there are more than straight lines. It's a simple to understand system with a high ceiling of complexity for how you can use it. Unshockingly, 4 episodes into the show you haven't been exposed to the potential combinations that make it hard to perfect for a 12 year old who just learned about it the day before yesterday.Not everything is revealed to you at the start of this story and the world grows more insidious and complicated as time goes on.
>>287706779Yes, it generated a lot of hype before its first broadcast and its success was guaranteed, but in the end it ended up being surpassed by several unknown anime.
>>287706779>Why is it popular?>explains why it's popularsasuga brainlet
>>287711017>UnknownAre you for real?
You don't have to watch series you don't enjoy just because they are popular anon
>>287711017> unknown anime>fucking procure>Adaptation of a manga by the FMA author>4th season of one of the most popular isekai
>>287711119precure autocorrected without me noticing fyi.
>>287708939>The trick with drawing is that there are more than straight lines.But they can copy anything from a book, and they can carry around loads of premade magic circles that activate when you put a dot. It's less drawing in the artistic sense, and more like drawing shapes in math class except more mindless I guess.
>>287706911You can always recognize an isekaitard by the way the put Frieren and actual fantasy together.
>>287706779Great animation It has a great power system within its worldbuilding. Instead of doing asspulls with new powers it reiterates on previous mistakes that can be used as rules.I also like it because it doesn't have an annoying chud fanbase like frieren does.>>287708107>>287708463If you have a creative hobby like art, electronics, game dev, or music then it'll click.
>>287711453it's like how artists trace or copy initially before developing their own style
>why is it popular? all it does is copy extremely insanely worldwide-ly popular thingsSounds to me like you didn't go in with an open mind, you picked up something you had no interest in and spent an hour and a half soulsearching for the punishment you're forcing yourself through. Just drop it.
>>287708463The magic system has nothing in common with harry potter tho. Harry potter barely has a magic system in the first place.
>>287706779>Why is it popular?Extremely high production value, obviously.
>>287706779It has great animation, great music, a very interesting power system, good pacing and it feels like proper fantasy.
The best thing about WHA is the art. I grew tired of the story around the festival which just went on and on and on forever. Certainly a case of mangaka writing a fun premise but not being skilled enough to get it anywhere
>>287711748Fax, Harry Potter is about having OP magic genes and calling non-magicians m*ggles. Witch Hat Atelier is about a normal girl learning about magic without it.
>>287706779it's.. popular? that's odd, I don't really hear or see much about it
>>287711453The thing is that magic circles are very specific, and get increasingly more complex the more powerful the spell is, and the margin of error also gets smaller while the chance of disaster and danger gets bigger. That's why understanding what every part that makes up a magic circle does for the spell is important and necessary for the witches. A retard just copying the circles is eventually make a critical error and blow their fucking head off by accident.Another aspect of it is that the magic circles are basically a collection of parameters, and with understanding of how it's built up, those parameters can be changed to alter things like speed, area, sound, shape, etc of the spell. An experienced witch can do those alterations on the fly and adapt to real situations, whereas a retard can only use the exact figuration from the grimoire. That's why the young witches are taught basic shit and not powerful spells, they'd get fucking bodied by any experienced witch using only basic spells.
>>287706911why is that dogshit in the middle
>>287711588>you picked up something you had no interest inI like harry potter and witches, I also find the art pretty. My biggest problem with the show is character writing, and how painfully generic the whole thing feels. I was like "lol airbending" when Coco was learning to fly in ep 3, a hot second later a hybrid beast straight out of atla shows up. Watching ep 4 and the white-haired fag starts explaining that pen wands are personalized so I was like "lel Ollivander's in 3...2...1..." then it immediately cuts to an extended scene that's EXACTLY like Ollivander's and Diagon Alley. Later the girls were teleported to a dungeon guarded by a monster, so I got a little hyped for that thing expecting another cool hybrid beast, but instead it was the most generic, lamest looking dragon I've seen. And so on and so forth. When the show isn't copying the most basic bitch millenial westaboo crap it's copying basic bitch shoujo tropes like the bullying and the hot teacher constantly doing shoujo version of aurafarming and rizzing up the loli heroine but with more plausible deniability than usual. The other lolis are annoying or do nothing, the mom was boring then she fucking died, and the brown woman looked straight out of American "anime" like Voltron or MAwS, the moment I saw her I think I understood better why there are people who call this show woke. These first few eps were just poorly made, even if the story picks up later.
>>287706779what do you think a genre is retard
>>287712103every story is just a remix of another. what changes is how the elements are put together. I'm liking the worldbuilding a lot as well as the artstyle, also the fact that you can't use spells on yourself is forbidden makes it way more realistic than anything rowling wrote. Plus you have a cast of cute girls. I doubt you didn't like that it's "too much like other things" because in this day and age anything is like that, you probably just don't like the characters or the setting. Also it's only 4 episodes in, it's hard to establish uniqueness when you're not even done with the introduction
>>287712103I also thought the writing was sorta "movie safe"
>>287712174>also the fact that you can't use spells on yourself is forbidden makes it way more realistic than anything rowling wrote.Anon it's literal magic, nothing about it is realistic.
>>287706779The fans don't really care about the show. They like the political views of the mangaka which is why they spammed 10/10 ratings on it before a single episode even aired.
>>287706779It's because Gigguk recommend the manga a while back.
>>287711844same, also the constant overuse of>something big is happening>A FEW CLOCKS PRIOR>character is about to bring up something critical to the plot to another character>gets interrupted by some bullshit
>>287712805never heard about suspension of disbelief? you must be young
>>287712103Some times you don't vine with something. That's fine. Most of the things you point out are not a dealbreaker for most people, but you're free to drop it if it's just not what you're looking for.
>>287711060>>287711119At least the anime about drunk college girls is shown in the top 5, which, unlike Witch Atelier, had virtually no hype before its release.
This is honestly the most I've felt an anime has been made specifically to appeal to as wide an audience as possible. Watching it I enjoy it enough but there's nothing really particular to latch onto. It feels like anime's version of marvel movies.
>>287706911Dungeon Meshi is far from safe, S2 will be insane.
>>287706779Coco is very erotic
>watch first episode>anybody can cast magic if they just copy down the symbols in freely-available books>not a single soul has figured this out>mages don't ever let normalfags see them """""cast""""" magic because it'll become public knowledge that any idiot can simply write down magic>nobody finds this suspicious>no rumors about thisIs this series premised on every character being a moron?
>>287715246A later episode shows that only a specific type of ink can make magic so it becomes slightly less retarded of a premise
>>287711555>No, not the fanbase (that's entirely optional to engage)!Brain damage
>>287706779>I'm 4 eps in and I think I'm starting to grow a hateboner.
>>287715168S1 already kind of was. There's Laois's fetish for monster girls, and a couple of creepy twists and adult jokes. WHA on the other hand is giving the vibe that it runs on American kids channel's standards and practices. I don't think there was a single drop of blood shown so far, or anything edgy. One time when I was feeling particularly masochistic I binged High Guardian Spice, and it was edgier than those first few eps of WHA, definitely gayer. TOH was too, probably.
>>287715246btw is harry potter premise also if every characters are moron?
>>287707159I'll argue that it makes perfect sense that brimhats are like that because every reasonable member they could have was probably already mindwiped by the inflexible Knight Moralis, and only the most extremists, paranoid, schizo, anti-social ones are the ones the witch police haven't caught yet
>>287715819Every character is a moron in Harry Potter too, so yeah...
>>287706779I actually expected it to be more popular.
>>287715856If it gets to Netflix it'll break containment.
>>287715819Besides the villains, not really. If anything, the characters are too competent for their own good.
>>287715246Some of those magic circles looked basic as fuck. So I guess in this world a kid trying to draw a clock using a funny pen found in the attic can accidentally torch the house or summon a demon or someshit.
>>287716042No, unless the kid has access to magic ink.
>>287716079It comes with the funny pen
>>287716106You have to realize its a pen first.
>>287706779>popularlmao
Woke atelier flopped
>>287706779>>287706911>A popular anime? Contrarianism activate!
>>287716168It's beyond me how the mc spent so many years cherishing her wand and she somehow DIDN'T realize. Well, maybe that's exactly why. Kids are curious, and they break shit, so the average brat would separate it into pieces in a heartbeat.
>>287716395Yes, they probably break the glass and spilled the part with the ink before anything could happen.
>>287716520So the ink is magical so it doesn't dry up, but the glass is not so it's easy to break? Naruhodo, awesome design.
>>287706779its for people that wanted to be artists which is a sore spot
>>287713656his complaint seems more about him lacking understanding of verisimilitude rather than suspension of disbelief, although they're related i suppose.
>>287706779Strange, I don't see much in the way of popularity, although woke mainstream media is trying to instigate it's popular.It's got all woke hallmarks, and wokelings feel safe watching it - has all the necessary tropes including homo teacher, everyone all smiles, dumb bietches and no consequences no matter how badly you flick up... but still, wokelings are a dying breed and so is the mainstream media shilling the show, so...
>cult manga gets fairly popular once it has reliable (and official translation)>surprised when the adaptation of this manga, that seems to be fine to good, is also popularThe politics angle is one thing but the series was popular prior to any of that popping up in the manga and a well liked manga (at least at the beginning) with a good adaptation is likely going to be popular. It's not a surprise.
>>287716600Is not made by the most estable mind person out there.
>>287716395she figured it out after 5 minutes
>>287718124How? Did they change it in the anime or am I retarded?
>>287718213They cut it out. I can see why from the adaptation standpoint. If they put too much attention on the pen the viewer would immediately figure it out. Now like it is in the anime the viewer realizes at the same time as Coco how magic works.
>>287718213the wand being a pen was never suppose to be a mystery>>>/wsg/6134257
>>287718346Wait, hold up. So Coco KNEW that the wand is a pen, and she called the grimoire a picture book, but never tried to copy any pictures from it? That's even more retarded than the anime version.
>>287718570she did try to use the wand (unsuccessfully) if coco is like me, i would have never have used the ink from this wand because its precious and i wouldnt have wanted to waste it. if she did draw from the picture book then she probably used non magical ink.
>>287718832>Go, pen! Smite my enemies!This child is going places.
>>287718124Smart gremlin, that's why she's the chosen one.
>>287718570I mean why would she copy pictures if she has the original? Nothing indicates for her those circles in the book can do magic. Those could've been just decoration for the real pictures. Magic items are rare in the countryside and the few that do exist have the lines probably hidden (the witch who built that carriage in episode 1 deserves a mindwipe). No witch is ever seen drawing. As far as the people know magic is a born trait you might do with some handsigns. Anyone saying or hearing anything about drawing magic gets a mindwipe. So of course a kid rather plays witch with a 'wand' rather than a pen.
>>287706911i have no interest in fatass dungeon
>>287718999You can eat without getting fat if you burn more calories than you ingest, which is what they do in that series, anon. And they also rarely have anything with any significant amount of sugar.
>>287718832>if coco is like me, i would have never have used the ink from this wand because its precious and i wouldnt have wanted to waste it.I would have used it just to check the color of the ink. Grown adults do shit like breaking glowsticks just to see what's inside, but this magic-obsessed little girl got a WAND with MAGICAL fluid inside, and it never occurred to her to test it out?>>287718962>I mean why would she copy pictures if she has the original?Idk, because it's simple and fun? Kids love to draw and color.>Nothing indicates for her those circles in the book can do magic.They are obviously witchy, and her wand is a pen that comes in a set with a "magic picture book." It doesn't take a genius.
>>287706779>Does the story get better later on?No, if anything, it only gets worse. And I'm not saying this because of the few "woke" parts that make some anons irrationally upset. It's just that almost all characters act so incredibly retarded that it's hard to take the resulting conflicts seriously.>>287711453>But they can copy anything from a book, and they can carry around loads of premade magic circles that activate when you put a dot.Copying spells from a book wouldn't teach them understanding of how spells work, which is necessary to adapt existing spells or create new spells. And premaking spells to deal with every remote eventuality is clearly impossible.>It's less drawing in the artistic sense, and more like drawing shapes in math class except more mindless I guess.You're right, it's called technical drawing, and the fact that the witches don't use any of the basic tools used in technical drawing, not even a ruler or a compass, makes absolutely no sense. Hell, they should be able to print spells.
>>287720691Did I hear someone say "print"?
>>287706911Good fantasy
>>287706779Ripped off Thaumcraft btw
>>287706779The owl house fanbase
>>287706911If current anime offering was whats being offered 20y ago when I got into anime I wouldnt have become an anime fan>wow pg13 american safe shit about kids in magic school and defeating morally convenient enemies>wow a pg7 american safe show about 18+ teens fighting morally convenient enemies>wow a pg13 show where the plot is retarded nonsense but the animation production is really expensiveIts sad, you're better off reading manga that hasnt been adapted for whatever reason.
>>287720691>>287721260>The magic system allows you to literally fax a bomb
>>287706779>Why is it popular?Is it? I sure am glad I don't frequent normalfag sites if that's the case.
>>287722669>Behold, my magic focus!
>>287706911why is Fern so FAT
>>287708463Harry Potter is basic Cold War era-inspired neolib garbage. Witch Hat Atelier, like a lot of JP media, fits more in their covert distaste for (and power fantasy to) challenge a hypocritical status quo.
>>287723213You make it sound deep, but I doubt it is. WHA obviously copies harry potter and its clones, like whole scenes from it and the premise where an orphan kid who grew up with muggles is allowed to attend a magical boarding school, and it makes the cribbed parts more boring in the process.
>>287706911so what am i suppose to watch for fantasy?
The main problem with this series is that everyone in it is just really stupid, from Koko, to Agott to discount Gojo to the entire secret magic society.Everyone acts like complete idiots for no reason whatsoever.
>>287706779dropped this turd when jarman stopped covering it. genuinely the worst threads i've ever seen btw
>>287723547Every medieval fantasy anime is bad actually, go watch Game of Thrones instead
>>287722896Come think of it, magic rune stamps are something that really ought to exist given the way the magic system works.
>>287724000I don't recall there being anything exactly like that, but for instance with the flying shoes, each shoe has half the glyph and you put them together to activate them. So that's something that seems kind of in a similar vein to me. And IIRC some of the characters have 99% complete glyphs drawn in their drawing pads that they can just complete quickly to activate the spell.
>>287706779the art is pretty and the girls are rapeable
>>287724401The rock's detail is too small-scale. Makes her look enormous.
>>287722669>you wouldn't download a bomb
>>287706911As opposed to unsafe fantasy you have to watch while wearing a condom? And I rather any (and I mean any) of these over Isekaishit show (ANY isekaishit).
>>287706779What a coincidence, I also started growing a huge boner for Coco. I would absolutely groom her as her wizard teacher and ns marvel as her other's genes kick in and she grows huge tits. And that, kids, is the real magic.
>>287724458she's a big girl
>>287724000>>287724116Just like with the shoes, anyone who would want to stamp spells would have to split the circle. Otherwise the ink would activate the spell on the stamp itself first.
>>287725398>>287725398>>287725398>>287725398
What did anon mean by this
>>287725864The rotary mechanism used in modern self-inking stamps is really not that complex.You can easily envision a design that would split the circle, completing it only when the stamp is pressed down.
>>287725899he means that the first one to talk gets to stay on his flying carriage
A lot of loyalty for a hired witch.
>>287716370Yes disliking popular things is contrarian by definition, thank you for spelling it out. It's not wrong however. Otherwise FIFA would be the best game in the world
>>287725994Or perhaps he is wondering why someone would erase a man's memory before throwing him out of a flying carriage.
>>287726036>have we started the brimhat revolution, brother?
What does it mean for a seal to be neatly drawn? If I bend the paper it's drawn on, does it break?
Idk who annoys me more in the show, Coco or this fag. He does NOT turn the rizz off, holy shit. I did some deep think and I realized it's probably because he's the creator's husbando. The rizz has to be military grade to reach all the way to Japan.
>>287711453Being off in your drawings even a little bit fucks up the spell. And you can augment or even reverse a spell if you change the drawing appropriately. I'm not going to say it's the pinnacle of magic writing but it's more well thought out then you give it credit for.
>>287715246The magic gestapo have memory erasure magic which they use fairly liberally.
>>287726226yes, the ink tide rises
>>287726534And what if you draw the seal in which the circle technically closes on the other side of the sheet? Like in that puzzle where you're asked to complete a circle starting from a point in the center of the page with a continuous line and without going over the same spot twice?
>>287726635I hate his voice so much it's unreal
>>287708463>Especially since she's the child of a seamstress as reminded in every ep so her special skill is drawing a straight line.Eh I don't like this series but this is can be explained easily.Most "advanced" magic in this series , unfortunately, is not straight line. The more curvy or circle the line is, the more you can make complex spell.
>>287711784>great musicReally? I thought the op was cheesy, and the ed straight up terrible. I don't remember other tracks.
>>287723547Slayers. Ruin Explorers. Lodoss, if you want something more serious.
>>287706911>Anime with a bunch of lolis>Safe???
>>287706779Harry Potter fans + fujos + trannies + "wow finally an anime without any creepy sexualization" crowd
>>287727990There are too many suspicious shots of lolis in this show. Why do normies enjoy it so much?
>>287706911kek, what a shitty list.I like frieren, I see no problem.But Delicious Dungeon is boring as fuck.And witch hat ateleier is socialist propaganda.Even Mushoku Tensei is better than those two.I would put Honzuki next to Frieren..
>>287727990>>287728022If you have little girls in your anime, regardless of how they're portrayed, they will be sexualized.
>>287728040>But Delicious Dungeon is boring as fuck.
>>287722552>reading manga kek, just read an actual fucking book at the point-- or at least light novels. If anime's shit then most manga are also shit, since practically every single currently airing anime nowadays is adapted from some dogshit manga. Most LNs are shit too-- but the few gems that get adapted are always from LNs and not manga. Asking a lil nip to draw, storyboard, AND know how to make an engaging and interesting plot results in this same repetitive dogshit. Anime will never be good again though, but if good artists could work with good authors who know how to write-- we'd have a much better chance of actually getting gems every season. Ofc all that Jewish money that's been pumped into Japan and anime and manga in the last 10 years certainly doesn't help either.
>>287713057>They like the political views of the mangakaAnd what would those be, are they based or cringe
>>287706779It's not popular here. Stop getting your opinions from normalfags. I barely noticed the existence of this anime because it isn't very popular here.
>>287726994It's higher pitch than I imagined while reading the manga but it makes sense, it's supposed to be gentle/motherly. A single man taking care of little girls could seem weird otherwise.
>>287706779>>287706911WHA gotta be the most uninteresting fantasy ever, even things like The Elf Bride handle magic circles much better. While I don't consider Frieren to be the best thing ever you can get to understand the elements that make people claim so, but with WHA there's nothing, not a single element about it is above average.
>>287728274>A single man taking care of little girls could seem weird otherwiseThis guy mogs that little twink
>>287728303Uh...hm...the manga art looks...alright...maybe...yup.
>>287728274Imo it's not gentle and motherly enough. He sounds pretentious somehow, and it doesn't help that his gentle & motherly mannerisms end up looking like he's flirting with the loli.
>>287706911I feel like Frieren and Dungeon Meshi are watchable by everyone. But Witch Hat I feel is strictly a girl's anime.
>>287706911Wistoria is so much better than all these 3 combined, I hate you all.
>>287728654>fujoslop
>>287728303>not a single element about it is above averageThe manga artwork certainly is. It wouldn't be getting nearly as much buzz if it just had average art. The anime, while not as detailed as the manga, also looks very pretty and the designs stand out. It remains to be seen if that's enough to carry it though.
>>287706779she cute
>>287728145>if anime's shit then most manga are also shit, since practically every single currently airing anime nowadays is adapted from some dogshit manga.What you seem to be forgetting is that this doesn't mean that they're anywhere close to adapting every manga currently running, let alone manga from the past. >but the few gems that get adapted are always from LNs and not mangaExtremely wrong. The LNs are the ones that are repetitive bullshit all trying to make the same story as everyone else to try and get a piece of the pie.
The moja haired little bitch needs very thorough correcting.
i have learned that "mah hotes" is japanese for magic
>>287727815so old = good?
>>287706779Not really
>>287729696No, Rezero is a better fantasy than everything mentioned in this thread.
>>287706779It's not, in Japan it has 0 traction and in the west it's working because it's being astroturfed everywhere
>>287729787>isekaiare there scenes where he trips and his face lands in cleavage at least?
>>287728808>What you seem to be forgetting is that this doesn't mean that they're anywhere close to adapting every manga currently running, let alone manga from the past.Maybe, what are some good manga that haven't been adapted?>Extremely wrong. The LNs are the ones that are repetitive bullshit all trying to make the same story as everyone else to try and get a piece of the pie.The best anime-- and I'm talking the best of the best-- that I know and have seen have all been either adapted from LNs or anime originals-- LoGH, NGE, Gundam, Macross, Code Geass, Satoshi Kon's body of work, Memories, etc. Genuinely what adaptations even compare? Only one that's coming to mind atm is Elfen Lied.
>>287729961Adding Monogatari because I forgot to mention it. But the problem with modern anime isn't that they're adapting the *wrong* manga, it's that manga itself is garbage. Imho-- I haven't read much manga, Kishi no Sidonia, Youjo Senki, a couple others, and those are good, but Youjo Senki was itself a LN first, so only Sidonia was a good manga that got a semi-passable adaptation that looked like shit and then died because no one-- unfortunately, cared.
>>287729961Your second paragraph is different from what you originally said. You only mention originals while including LNs. Plus "Gundam" and "Macross" are franchises, not individual series. Their quality over the years varies a lot. And based on the things you listed I think you need to watch and read more in general before you start needing recommendations.
>>287730049>manga itself is garbage>I haven't read much manga
>>287730082>durr why don't you read garbage? What's wrong-- too good for garbage because you can read paragraphs n shit?If I think they're dogshit wtf would I waste my time "reading" them. Why would I waste my time-- as little as it is to flip through a glorified picture book/comic, when I could be reading something that's got some legs.
>>287730182I'm more pointing out you yourself admit you don't have much experience with manga and yet you say the entire medium is garbage. I don't know why you're getting so defensive about such an obvious point. Maybe it's because you feel like you should be taken seriously despite your severe lack of knowledge and unwillingness to correct said lack of knowledge.
>>287730268I'm not saying the entire medium is garbage, why would I say that? They're not for me, but they make up the vast majority of anime adaptations nowadays, which is in part to blame for the current state of anime-- I'm arguing. I've asked for recommendations of what you consider good manga, or the best lesser known manga, but you've offered no examples, whereas I have-- Monogatari, LoGH, Youjo Senki, NGE, Code Geass, Gundam, Macross-- you know, the actual best anime from 20 to 40 years ago. And most of these were either LN adaptations or anime originals.I just don't think you get the narrative depth and well considered plots of the best anime from then while adapting from manga.
>>287729961>Genuinely what adaptations even compare?Everyone likes full metal alchemist. I hear it used to be top5 on MAL.
>>287730062And despite this you haven't mentioned a single anime adapted from a manga to compare or contrast. >And based on the things you listed I think you need to watch and read more in general before you start needing recommendations.I'll have you know I have over 300 confirmed animes under my belt and graduated valedicvirgin, and magna cum loud in my hand, from the academy of fine arts SF, BUSTA. You're NOTHIN. I walked Bob Dylan on stage--
>>287730466Most of your examples are older too, anon. Do you have any more recent originals you think are good? Or do you think they don't make originals anymore like so many people on /a/ seem to think? Some of my favorite manga like YKK, Ouran, Tokimeki Tonight, Soremachi, among others get either no adaptations or the adaptation is partial, which is still a large issue with adaptations. You say adaptations are making anime worse but the adaptations are essentially unfinished cash grabs most of the time. Even discounting the quality of the adaptations themselves. >I just don't think you get the narrative depth and well considered plots of the best anime from then while adapting from manga.You don't think this has any relation to only adapting 1/3 of a manga and then the anime studio making up an ending? The anime studio is the one responsible for that ending in that case, not the mangaka. Or even in the past having like half an anime "adaptation" be original content written by the anime studio. Hell, the Tokimeki Tonight anime (the manga of which I mentioned above) has basically nothing in common with the manga. At other points they rush through the manga content because they only want to make 12 episodes. Poor adaptations don't reflect on the quality of their source material.>>287730563See above>over 300 animeYeah, me too. And over 300 manga as well.
>>287730613>Do you have any more recent originals you think are good?I'm a bit rusty, I come back to anime once every 5 years like Jeepers Creepers or something. I think the last time I really paid attention to what was airing was 2016. But Valverave and Cross Ange come to mind. >YKK, Ouran, Tokimeki Tonight, Soremachi These feel pretty distinct from the kind of anime I intended to discuss, and I might go so far as to say these moe sol manga are part of the problem. Only one I've seen is Tokimeki Tonight, which I enjoyed greatly, and Soremachi I'm watching soon, are these the anime that got you into the genre? Because correct me if I'm wrong, but aren't they mostly moe SOL? You know-- the kind of thing still being made by the drove? Romcoms &etc. Repetitive. Stale. Lacking strong narrative or plot and conflict. You're warming me up though, I'm remembering more, GJ-bu was good, Nisekoi was something but I wouldn't call it good, etc. >You don't think this has any relation to only adapting 1/3 of a manga and then the anime studio making up an ending?That's certainly part of the problem, which is why I advocate against adapting from manga. You bemoan the current state of anime but don't seem to actually want it to change.
>>287730754Piggybackin on what I said and goin a step further, your main complaint seems to just be with the quality of the adaptations, but I think anime has never been adapted better. My problem isn't with how the material is adapted (but that last LoGH adaptation looked so fuckin awful I still haven't touched it) but with the actual material that anime studios seem to want to adapt. The shows I mentioned at the beginning are what got me specifically into anime, and have the most to offer imho, not that sol or romcoms are bad, but they dominate the market, unjustly.
>>287730754>Because correct me if I'm wrong, but aren't they mostly moe SOL?I like slice of life. None of those are "moe" though, in the same sense as something like K-ON, which is what people usually point to. And Tokimeki Tonight definitely isn't a slice of life once it gets going anyway. Not all sol is the same quality as well. That's a stupid idea. As stupid as saying all mecha anime are the same quality.>you bemoan the current state of anime but don't seem to actually want it to change.It could change by making good manga adaptations, which it currently doesn't, for the reasons I mentioned. I do like originals occasionally. Apparently Mahou no Shimai Lulutto Lilly is the only original this season and I'm watching that. But I mostly read manga, and I like seeing good adaptations. >are these the anime that got you into the genre?Are you asking if they're what got me into anime/manga? Or if they got me into sol? Because when I was younger I was a Toonamishitter like many other people.>>287730947In the past there was much more original content, and partially because adaptations at times were quite long and would easily catch up to the source (especially if it was monthly). But now adaptations are so short that even with ongoing series they may only touch a fraction of the material. I last year or so was actually contemplating just not watching adaptations anymore because there'd been a few that were just garbage (like Biscuit Hammer) but some others recently have been good. Just again, really short and incomplete. And even if you get a continuation it's not uncommon for it to come years and years after the first season. Like the current season of Dorohedoro.
>>287731063>>287731063>I like slice of life. None of those are "moe" though, in the same sense as something like K-ON, which is what people usually point to. And Tokimeki Tonight definitely isn't a slice of life once it gets going anyway. Not all sol is the same quality as well. That's a stupid idea. As stupid as saying all mecha anime are the same quality.I'm not saying they're bad, but they dominate anime atm, and most of them are simply unremarkable, stale, or unoriginal. Which is why I tune out of anime, most of it just feels like more of the same. > But I mostly read manga, and I like seeing good adaptations.This is why I won't read manga-- I prefer anime. If I read the manga I wouldn't want to see it adapted because it wouldn't feel novel or interesting or new-- I'd know what was going to happen, the plot points, &etc. and I'd just feel like I was caught in a groundhog day situation, a Haruhi Suzumiya scenario. I like being surprised, unfortunately when it comes to modern anime most of the surprises feel trite or trivial. I just don't see the advantage of reading manga. It doesn't seem like it can give me what I want, what made anime so good and special back then. The LNs however have been fantastic, reading the LoGH LNs in particular feels fresh even after having seen the OVA, and I think it adds to the experience in a way a manga couldn't.
>>287731347Damn-- I forgot to mention this but I have to continue-- and the Monogatari LNs as well-- there's just a wealth of information on the page. Insight into the characters, verbal treatment, a certain mise en scene that is completely different to read as opposed to having seen. If I read the Monogatari manga (pretty sure that's a thing, I don't know if it's just a beat for beat adaptation though but I'd reckon so) the pictures would be pretty, but it wouldn't be anything more than a storyboard. It wouldn't feel or be different enough from the anime to make it an experience worth having.
>>287731063>Not all sol is the same quality as well. That's a stupid idea. As stupid as saying all mecha anime are the same quality.Actually I might actually argue this as well, sol is sol, they're not really all that different from one another, and there's not much room for innovation. Sol is the same. It's almost categorical-- it has to be otherwise it wouldn't be a slice of life-- just an adaptation of experiences we have had as people or could have, but nothing that goes beyond the pale. There's no slice of life that really breaks the mould (that I know) there's no slice of life of a man on mars living as a slave in a society dominated by a race of genetically engineered Amazonian women who were created by the Gods-- who were us, humans a million years ago. Etc. And frankly I think there should be. And I know there might be a manga out there that's similar, the medium isn't completely sterile and devoid of all originality or daring-- but it's not popular, it's not getting adapted, so it's irrelevant. Slice of life is part of the problem. Slice of life is the same.
>>287728654Why would you lie? The entire festival having a terrorist attack was entirely preventable but the writer is just kinda fucking retarded, 7 spellblades was better written but the animation qualify is worst than wisteria s1.
>>287706779Is it? I mean, i've seen posts praising the animation. And many "anime news" sites talking about how popular it is, and how this will be the new sensation.But so far, I've not seen anyone talking about it
>>287731546Isn't that netflix anime about an ancient Roman guy glazing Japanese baths sol? There's a lot of weird sol out there, I think
>>287731634I’ve seen more people talking about it than other good shows also airing this season like Nippon sangoku even an eceleb like gigguk didn’t mention but the show was apparently listed as an ova instead of a spring 2026 anime
>>287731665lmao holy shit that was a manga? I only knew it as a movie from 2012, lmaooo. Would that even be considered a sol though? Regardless, that's potentially one and it's from over a decade ago. I don't even want to consider "Netflix anime" as anime tbqh.
>>287706911Dungeon Meshi is the only acceptable one here, at least something fucking happens there
>>287731546>no slice of life of a man on marsDuh. That would be called an isekai and not a sol.
>>287731347>>287731404Neither LoGH nor Monogatari are considered LNs by the way. Nisio may himself consider it more in that vein (there's at least one joke that is adapted in the anime about LNs) but if you look it up on Japanese sites it's not grouped with other LNs, but with just "novels". And LoGH is also not a LN.>Monogatari mangaI don't read manga adapted from LNs. Just like with anime adaptations there's going to be things missed in any adaptation. If something was originally a LN I'll read the LN, if it was originally a manga I'll read the manga.>>287731546This is an ignorant opinion. YKK is nothing like K-ON despite both being slice of life. Even high school slice of like series like K-ON vs Hidamari Sketch are very different, even in their 4koma manga forms. >but it's not popular, it's not getting adapted, so it's irrelevantAgain, stupid opinion, and one you only have because you don't like manga. Saying "all slice of life is the same" and "well there may be different slice of life but who cares if it doesn't get an anime" also are mutually exclusive opinions. YKK that I mentioned above is a slice of life series about a robot watching humanity die out. SoreMachi has sci-fi and horror/supernatural chapters in it. Shimeji Simulation is arguably slice of life and it gets crazy.
>>287731745>that was a manga?It appears so?>Would that even be considered a sol though?Idk I only watched like one ep because it looked boring and cringe. I don't like sol so I don't read/watch it but there are other weird ones even I know about, like that one manga about Jesus hanging out with the Buddha.
Real novels>manga>anime>>>>>>light novels
>>287731922>Real novelsJust like any medium there's tons and tons of shit novels. People who say this are /lit/ fags that read curated bullshit and probably consider 95% of novels not "real novels".
>>287731950A shitty real novel Is still miles better than a shitty light novel
>>287708107>is it popular?Not in Japan, at least.
>>287731696>I’ve seen more people talking about it than other good showsSo not a lot of people apparently
>>287732085LNbros...It's over...
>>287731922TRVKE
>>287731950It's not that you're wrong in pointing out there's a ton of garbage out there in the realm of supposedly legitimate literature, but >>287732085 is absolutely right. Most LNs don't even have a proper editor, and it fucking shows. Even terrible stuff that gets published in the guise of novels (like for example YA books or the last 100 or so years of romance smut for women) have some guy that at least helps the author polish the prose into something fit for human consumption. LNs are the wild wild west in that sense.
>>287731585Even the most average isekai is better than those 3.
>>287732297>the realm of supposedly legitimate literatureNo, you're absolutely retarded. You're restricting yourself to "YA books" of which are "supposedly legitimate literature" and there's a 100% chance in your mind you're thinking of Harry Potter or something. I can and have run across shit like "Hamlet LGBT edition: Kids Edition". If it doesn't exist, I could write that right now and post it on Amazon.>LNs are the wild wild west in that sense.Anyone can publish anything and call it a book. "Books" is already a wild west. Calling anything the "wild west" of books is stupid. Never talk or post again and kill yourself.
What are the top 7 most popular isekai LN/manga/anime in Japan vs. elsewhere? What about just straight fantasy?
>>287731811> Saying "all slice of life is the same" and "well there may be different slice of life but who cares if it doesn't get an anime" also are mutually exclusive opinions.All sol that get adapted into an anime are the same when we're talking about complex characters, plot, stakes, drama, etc. The things I've been talking about this whole time. They can have different styles, and topics, and jokes, and can be very good, but they're all the same, even if different. I think that's the point of the genre and anything that breaks from the mould of the predictable, safe and domestic could be argued to be an entirely different genre, otherwise we could just call anything a sol-- Durararara is a sol. Black Lagoon is a sol, &etc. It's silly. >Neither LoGH nor Monogatari are considered LNs by the way. Nisio may himself consider it more in that vein (there's at least one joke that is adapted in the anime about LNs) but if you look it up on Japanese sites it's not grouped with other LNs, but with just "novels". And LoGH is also not a LN.Not that important really, whether they're considered proper novels or LN they're words on a page in paragraphs with chapters and not glorified weeb comics.
>>287732628>and anything that breaks from the mould of the predictable, safe and domestic could be argued to be an entirely different genreOr you're just wrong and talking about something you know nothing about, by your own admission. Why do you feel so confident having opinions on things you yourself say you have little experience with? You don't read manga and you don't read/watch slice of life manga/anime and yet you have strong, definitive opinions that as someone that is well versed in both, it's easy to see through your bullshit. Not to mention like I kind of eluded to earlier, your list of favorites is as safe and predictable as they come. You're someone whose taste is governed by heavy curation and I don't think you have seen enough or have any taste of your own to the extent that your opinions on things hold any weight.
>>287732702I've seen enough to know what I'm talking about, and I know what I like and dislike, and what the state of anime currently is. You just like boring, mindless, safe slop without any stakes, complex characters, or dramatic action. I get that, I like plenty of sol-- do I have to name a dozen to establish my weeb credibility? SYD, Kinmoza, flying witch, lucky star, azumanga daioh, inu x boku ss, paniponi dash, mariaholic, &etc. &etc. Are you going to google search each show to determine if other people classify them as sol, or if they're considered romcoms? Or maybe something else completely different that will even surprise both of us. They're all the same in the fact that they're sol which is an entire genre built upon the premise of being boring, uneventful, domestic, &etc. That's the genre. I'll have to look into the best examples you've given, and I will because I'm open to these things, it's not a me vs you it's a we both want to see better anime. I just think your taste is lame and gay and that's partially the reason why anime sucks so much ass nowadays. That's all.
>>287732702>your list of favorites is as safe and predictable as they come.Good things are good. I don't care if you think the list is safe or predictable, the shows are entertaining and distinctly not sol because they have actual characters, plots, actions, stakes, continuity &etc. They're what I want to see more of in anime, not just cute moe blob character doing cute sol thing where nothing really happens and the jokes fall flat and half the thing is plagiarized or poorly iterated on from something else.
>>287732800>SYD, Kinmoza, flying witch, lucky star, azumanga daioh, inu x boku ss, paniponi dash, mariaholic,Haven't seen Inu x boku ss or Mariaholic but there are distinctions in the others. I would group them as this:>1. SYD>2. Kinmoza, Lucky Star, and Azumanga Daioh>3. PPD>4. Flying WitchMaybe you could put SYD and PPD together but I probably wouldn't. Plenty of variety even in the list you gave. And if you go to the manga, Pani Poni has plenty of variety even within itself. I'm not a huge fan of how Shaft did the anime, plus the always existing issue of it being partial. Your appreciation (or lack thereof) of things is shallow. Which is why you group very distinct things into the same category, namely "boring, uneventful" which in your case is essentially just "I don't like it".
>>287715724You gotta put in Magical Girl Friendship Squad to finish the trifecta of pain known as western shojo
>>287732870I think we're talking past one another-- I can appreciate the distinctions between these shows as surely as I can see a screen grab of one of them and identify it. I know they're different, in many ways, and they're also similar to each other in many infinitesimally small and large ways-- but they're all sol in that nothin fuckin happens in them with any consequence or weight. These shows do not have any plot. They barely have characters at all let alone complex ones. They do not have the thing that makes novels interesting-- conflict. There is no fuckin conflict in any of these shows because-- while they're all different, they're all still sol. A genre which is defined by the lack of conflict &etc. If you were to look up the definition according to Google (S to spit on)[derogatory] the genre will be defined by it being MUNDANE, UNEVENTFUL, DOMESTIC, and SAFE. The very things I personally am tired of in anime I don't care how the backdrop changes or what the artstyle is I want conflict on a massive scale. I want factions in different uniforms. I want perspective from different sides. I want drama, action, complex characters with motivations and flaws, tragedy, dark humor, death, destruction, disease, and an exploration on these themes.
>>287732961I want everything that a manga cannot possibly hope to provide. But if there is a manga that delivers on half of what I want I'm all ears I'd read it with gusto and it'd probably be my new favorite thing for the next decade-- but I don't think that's gonna happen.
>>287715246>Freely available No you have to find a wanted terrorist to hand out the book.
>>287732961I'll go on-- the best sol that gave me fuckin hope until the last episode-- ACCA 13. It was different, it gave me a lot of what I was hoping for-- mainly the suggestion of intrigue, and political factions, and politics, with a protagonist I didn't hate because they were ahoge-- and then it completely eats shit at the end because it's a sol-- it just had to end boring, and uneventful, without any conflict whatsoever. The protagonist could have couped the govt and became an emperor and there could have been more to the series-- something, anything-- a reason to fuckin care, but because it was sol-- nope. Nothinburger. That's what I hate most about modern anime adaptations. Nothin fuckin happens that matters. As much as I like flavor the week anime waifus to beat my dick too-- that also gets boring after so long. Anime will never be good again until it starts actually pushin the envelope, telling real fuckin stories that follow dramatic action, heroes journey, rising action, despair, setback, final confrontation, falling action, resolution. Etc.
>>287707159This anon pretty much sums it up. That being said I dropped the manga, tried the anime and dropped that too because the story is just so boring. There is just something missing that makes it so bland.
>>287728040>And witch hat ateleier is socialist propaganda.How? I don't care about the author's real world politics, is there anything in the Manga itself that is actually socialist?
It is competently written at first and has beautiful art in the manga and in the animation too. It is as >>287711844 puts it. And I think people will start losing interest once the strong first arcs are over and it comes to the lukewarm festival and beyond. It really is a little bit like frieren in that regard. Starts strong but then goes nowhere.
>>287734506There's none at all, if people started to think for one second before typing they would realize that the antagonists in this show are actually the communists and socialists. They want to DESTROY the social class.It's like a reverse from that first antagonist in Korea. Instead of taking power away from everyone they want everyone to hold the power. Maybe it's more anarchist than communist actually
>>287734686The strong start was definitely what I enjoyed most about the series. I wanted to see more conflict and inner turmoil from Coco but the manga took a looong detour with the festival. It was more about Qifrey than about Coco really. I hope the manga catches itself now
>>287734695To be fair, it is frequently brought up that the antagonists have a point and Coco sympathizes with them.
>>287734717Because they do have a point? Why should magic be held hostage by a certain group of people that you can almost exclusively be born into? The whole premise of this is unjust. But the Atelier witches have a point too. Magic in the wrong hands can cause catastrophe (willingly as done by the brimmed caps or unwillingly by Coco). Coco sympathizes with the brimmed caps because she doesn't want to be bound by rules when doing what she thinks is right. The question the manga should answer is if this will lead into another catastrophe and how Coco will deal with this. What I want to see for this manga the most is how Coco is going to shape up as this new magic Messiah. An actual lore/historic background for the magic system would be cool too. All of that is only alluded to so far
>>287734695WHA is demonic liberal propaganda. WHA is a plant for the liberal woke cabal to harvest/siphoon energy for their egregore.The glyphs and sigil pay tribute to their demons Baal and Gaap worshipped by the qabbalistic elite.
>>287734792The only cabal I'm afraid of is the retarded orange nigger and his epsteinite cabal. The alt-right not only rapes children and genocides them, they also stop western countries from following their own nations interest
>>287734792>The glyphs and sigil pay tribute to their demons Baal and Gaap worshipped by the qabbalistic elite.It's sad that I genuinely can't tell if you're trolling or not.
>>287734792Not just communist, also T*rkish
>wha>turned into blog shits by both haters and fansyeah should have expected thatIt haters and fans both has always been the same demographic
>>287715246>>not a single soul has figured this outIt requires a special ink made from a special tree (so not like squid ink which is already ink) which isn't exactly widely available to commoners and you'd need to use that same ink to draw these circles and runes while not getting caught by the memory wipe squad.Please think a little before posting.
>>287715986>Besides the villains, not really. If anything, the characters are too competent for their own good.Harry Potter is definately a moron in many ways. If you were transported to a magical realm where you can learn to do magic fucking everyone would've tried to study to learn magic as hard as possible, especially when it's piss easy to the point you just say some words and wave a wand. Fucking math is harder than this shit.
>>287725864>Just like with the shoes, anyone who would want to stamp spells would have to split the circle. Otherwise the ink would activate the spell on the stamp itself first.You just have a two part stamp. One is just the circle, the rest are different spell arrangements. So first you stamp the spell, then complete it with the ring.
>>287735185now anon, go to a football championship and won.football is easier than math so you can do it right?
>>287726635>Idk who annoys me more in the show, Coco or this fag. He does NOT turn the rizz off, holy shit. I did some deep think and I realized it's probably because he's the creator's husbando. The rizz has to be military grade to reach all the way to Japan.He's just supposed to be Dumbledore, except hot and to appeal to young girls. i.e. the hot, nice, understanding and wise tutor.
>>287735270I'm talking motivation, idiot. If you told a kid to do math or go learn to do fucking magic, any non-retarded (or even retarded ones) would actually give a fuck and learn that shit. Especially when it just involves saying some words and waving a wand.
>>287735288Mentor =/= DumbledoreThey have willdly different goals and personalities. Qifrey for sure would kill Voldemort at the first chance.
>>287735288What I want to say dabbles into spoiler territory but qifreys motivation for opening an atelier are not comparable at all to dumbledore's motivation. Even if it does get watered down in the end
>>287735288Every 5 minutes that guy drops to one knee in front of Coco and clasps her hands, or princess carries her or something. It's giving "the princess and her knight" or "guy proposing to his gf" rather than mentor and pupil. The creator obviously ships them, and she wants the fans to ship them too, but she also makes him look like a fuckboy because he never turns off the charm and 5 minutes later he ends up rizzing up the wall. I also doubt he's Coco's endgame or actually likes her that way so all that pedo rizz is basically pointless. Personally I find it grating. It's hard for me to like a character who's behaving unnaturally at all times, and it doesn't seem to be a part of their personality, just the creator self-inserting a bit too hard or a ploy to milk more money out of other yumes. I can't stand this sort of writing.
>>287735873>Qifrey for sure would kill Voldemort at the first chance.Dumbledore didn't??
>>287706911Wait, Dungeon Meshi is a fucking food show? Good thing I haven't touched it.
>>287737982>the series called "Dungeon Food" has food as a major aspect of itWho would have thought.
>>287738240I never bothered to translate the title.
>>287738240Missing out on pretty much the best world building I've seen in manga/anime these last few years
>>287732566You sound incredibly butthurt about the fact that the trash Isekaishit you gorge on and love is, in fact, even lower than bottom rung western literature.>You're restricting yourself to "YA books" of which are "supposedly legitimate literature" and there's a 100% chance in your mind you're thinking of Harry Potter or something.You're a total mouthbreather. I deliberately pointed out two genres most people are familiar with, and yet you somehow you took it as some kind of gotcha. And Harry Potter isn't even a series aimed at young adults you dullard, it's squarely for children and mid teenagers at the oldest, but I could have pointed out Eragon, Percy Jackson, or even the Twilight series clone number 15679, and it would be all the same. The point is that even those are better written in formal sense than 99%of the Isekaishit dogwater some people like you eagerly read.>I can and have run across shit like "Hamlet LGBT edition: Kids Edition". If it doesn't exist, I could write that right now and post it on Amazon.And guess what? Despite the bombastic nature of the propaganda you chose, if it made it through en editorial process, chances are that it's STILL better written than the absolute totality of all Isekaishit and 99% of all the other LNs in existance.>Anyone can publish anything and call it a book. "Books" is already a wild west. Oh, so you went from talking about novels to "books" as a whole in the space of one post? You're a fucking imbecile. You're being deliberately obtuse, nobody said you can't get your novel self published, but it wouldn't get the reach or prestige that being signed by an editorial gives. LNs are peculiar in the sense that they're given platforms on the Internet, and that same story is picked up and then distributed and sold, almost as they were from a rough draft with minimal (if any) oversight by an editor in some cases, and it's done by the same publishers that also sell proper novels, manga and even text books.
>>287706911Dont care about your twitter repostAll 3 series are good
>>287708463Dude, drawing is so fucking easy, its just a bunch of lines and circles, duhhhhhhhh
>>287720691Witches don't use those because they have to be able to draw secretly when around muggles. It is an entire point in the coming episodes that witches usually wear long and loose sleeves so they can hide their arms as they draw in public in secret. Imagine if you had to do draftwork, but if anyone saw you, you'd have to lobotomize them.
>>287736066If you noticed that Qifrey's character feels off, that is good. Because you're onto something and you're right to be suspicious.
>>287706911Dungeon Tower>Dungeon Meshi>Frieren>>Witch Hat Atelier. And the first one is at best a lesser Nihei work. That only goes to prove that that Scifi>Fantassy, objectively speaking.
>>287740091Absolutely
>>287715168Eagerly waiting the scene where Laios chokes Falin to death.
>>287728055I'm half convinced most of the anti dungeon meshi posts in the board are made by the same individual.
>>287740278Stop posting masonry symbology. It's against the rules.
>>287740235Don't worry, Nihei has a lot of time to shit the bed, still.
>>287728040>Even Mushoku Tensei is better than those two.Mushoku Tensei is better written than any of the other fantasy stories posted here. I'm not joking.
>>287740235I still think WHA Is above Frieren in quality, and I don't even dislike Frieren.Tower Dungeon's last thread was a disaster, we're entering into another flashback, and Nihei Is not even drawing cool backgrounds.
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>>287740365I have to agree. Frieren is fine, perfectly serviceable. Maybe even good. But it's easily the worst manga of the ones anon mentioned.
